Re: [Gambas-user] Top posting

2015-03-11 Thread Rolf-Werner Eilert


Am 11.03.2015 06:54, schrieb richard terry:
> On 11/03/15 14:37, Kevin Fishburne wrote:
>> On 03/10/2015 07:37 PM, richard terry wrote:
>>> Personally I like top-posting, some lists I"m on use it. I find it
>>> easier to find out the last thing said rather than having to scroll down
>>> to the bottom of a long post. If the mail headers are up in the top
>>> pain, and the text in the bottom pain its easy to just scroll down the
>>> mail without having to constantly jump to the bottom pane to go down to
>>> the bottom.
>> Oh, you really stepped in it now, Richard. Did someone finally port
>> Outlook Express to Linux? I'm kidding, of course. To each their own, but
>> threads get crazy when top and bottom posting are mixed. It starts to
>> appear random after a while. We need an entirely new mail protocol that
>> fixes the top/bottom-posting issue AND spam. Because why not?
>>
> Ok, a bottom post.
>
>Haven’t used  Windows on the desktop for nearly many many yrs, and
> never used outlook
>
> I guess if the list wants bottom post, I"ll bottom post, after all
> though I read the stuff every day I don't post much, but don't want to
> inconvenience people.
>
> regards
>
> Richard
>
>

For someone who comes later and has to find the clue to the thread, it's 
easier to follow with bottom posts. In all the company environments I 
know, however, top posts are made simply because both parties usually 
are informed about the topic and just want to read what the other side 
has written. Keeping the old posts is for documentary reasons - and 
sometimes laziness - only.

For my own part, I prefer top posts when it has to be quick, but as I 
have learned mailing lists back in the time of Fidonet, I would prefer 
cutting everything of the old post(s) except the really relevant parts 
and inserting my own texts between.

If someone introduced a new mail text protocol, this might be done with 
tags similar to html. This would leave the text readable in text-only 
mail clients or for the case something gets garbled. Newer programs 
could handle the tags and make it up like the message clients on 
smartphones do.

For instance, we could use a simple %DATETIME% tag for a number of 
lines, and a #DATETIME# closing tag. Or would   be 
better? Maybe one could even have a quoting system like that of the 
popular forums, including the name of the author etc. The mail client 
would then figure out which block of text belongs where, and the user 
could choose for top or bottom quote or whatever is preferred.

Should we start a project in Gambas? :)

Rolf

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Re: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.7 (2)

2015-03-11 Thread Gian
Il 11/03/2015 00:17, Benoît Minisini ha scritto:
> Le 11/03/2015 00:03, Jussi Lahtinen a écrit :
>>> Exactly. Only Emil can confirm, as I don't have enough knowledge about
>>> that, but apparently there is no way to make an equivalent Gambas JIT
>>> compiler with the new versions of LLVM!
>>>
>>> I have modified the configuration script of gb.jit so that it checks
>>> that the llvm version is greater than 3.1, but strictly lower than 3.6.
>>>
>>
>> I just realized that the blog post is quite old and LLVM 3.6 is just
>> released. So, I hope the situation has improved since that!
>> But maybe it would be gb.JIT2 that uses LLVM 3.6.
>>
>>
>> Jussi
>
> Support of llvm >= 3.6 depends on Emil. At the moment, on Ubuntu, you
> can install llvm 3.4, 3.5 and 3.6 at the same time so this is not a problem.
>

Just for your information:
I got for the first time a Jit working on Ubuntu 14.04.02 LTS by 
installing the Trunk libraries as indicated in the documentation. About 
these libraries have installed llvm, llvm-dev e llvm-3.4-dev.
With and without Fast: same computation about 3 seconds versus about 47 
seconds, earlier with llvm-3.5-dev and same computation I had obtained 
segmentation fault error.

This is the Ru-vuott test:

   Fast

   Public Sub Button1_Click()

 Dim I As Integer
 Dim start, finish As Float

 start = Timer

 For I = 1 To 10
   Print Test(0.2)
 Next
 finish = Timer
 Print finish - start

   End


   Sub Test(X As Float) As Float

  Dim Mu As Float = 10.0
  Dim Pu, Su As Float
  Dim I, J, N As Integer
  Dim aPoly As New Float[100]

  N = 50

  For I = 0 To N - 1
For J = 0 To 99
  Mu = (Mu + 2.0) / 2.0
  aPoly[J] = Mu
Next
Su = 0.0
For J = 0 To 99
  Su = X * Su + aPoly[J]
Next
Pu += Su
  Next

  Return Pu

   End

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[Gambas-user] Extern library libftd2xx

2015-03-11 Thread Ivan Kern
Hi,

does anyone have an example of external library
libftd2xx?  I can't get data from the USB device.

 

Regards, Ivan

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Re: [Gambas-user] Extern library libftd2xx

2015-03-11 Thread Tobias Boege
On Wed, 11 Mar 2015, Ivan Kern wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> does anyone have an example of external library
> libftd2xx?  I can't get data from the USB device.
> 

There was recently a guy here [0] who used that library. Maybe you can ask
him.

Regards,
Tobi

[0] 
http://gambas-club.de/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4810&p=10668&hilit=libftd2xx#p10668

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Re: [Gambas-user] Random access files with fixed-length string

2015-03-11 Thread Gian
Il 10/03/2015 22:00, Gian ha scritto:
> Hello everyone,
> those coming from the Windows VB, frequently asks how to work with
> random access files with fixed-length string.
> I created this demo as an explanation and would like to know if you
> think right, correct in part or completely wrong.
> Thank you for attention
>
> Gianluigi
>
> Attention: This application contains a Spinner, you need version => 3.6
> Create a directory with the name of the application in user.home to save
> file dat.
>
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Hi,
re-reading what I wrote in my terrible English, it seems that you have 
to create a directory.
Instead I wanted to let you know that the program creates a directory, 
is perhaps more rightly so:
Attention:
This application contains a Spinner, you need version => 3.6 and creates 
a directory with the name of the application in user.home to save file dat.

Regards
Gianluigi

P.S. It cost me so much effort, do you think someone will answer me?

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Re: [Gambas-user] Random access files with fixed-length string

2015-03-11 Thread Tobias Boege
On Tue, 10 Mar 2015, Gian wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> those coming from the Windows VB, frequently asks how to work with random
> access files with fixed-length string.
> I created this demo as an explanation and would like to know if you think
> right, correct in part or completely wrong.
> Thank you for attention
> 

Looks good. But, as you mentioned in the project description, it would also
be possible, and easier, to use Structs, as we did[0].

Also, if someone came to me and said: "in VB I used to store data in a non-
human-readable binary format. I want to continue doing so", I would briefly
mention that this is not *necessarily* a nice move and plain text files are
much more welcome in general. Also, if you are GNU-affine, they say[1]:

  "[...] Unix programs often have static tables or fixed-size strings, which
   make for arbitrary limits; use dynamic allocation instead."

If you create a new file format for your application, there are gb.settings
and gb.xml to consider first which provide these things already.

Regards,
Tobi

[0] http://gambaswiki.org/wiki/app/struct-db
[1] 
https://www.gnu.org/prep/standards/html_node/Reading-Non_002dFree-Code.html#Reading-Non_002dFree-Code

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Re: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.7 (2)

2015-03-11 Thread Benoît Minisini
Le 11/03/2015 10:32, Gian a écrit :
> Il 11/03/2015 00:17, Benoît Minisini ha scritto:
>> Le 11/03/2015 00:03, Jussi Lahtinen a écrit :
 Exactly. Only Emil can confirm, as I don't have enough knowledge about
 that, but apparently there is no way to make an equivalent Gambas JIT
 compiler with the new versions of LLVM!

 I have modified the configuration script of gb.jit so that it checks
 that the llvm version is greater than 3.1, but strictly lower than 3.6.

>>>
>>> I just realized that the blog post is quite old and LLVM 3.6 is just
>>> released. So, I hope the situation has improved since that!
>>> But maybe it would be gb.JIT2 that uses LLVM 3.6.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jussi
>>
>> Support of llvm >= 3.6 depends on Emil. At the moment, on Ubuntu, you
>> can install llvm 3.4, 3.5 and 3.6 at the same time so this is not a problem.
>>
>
> Just for your information:
> I got for the first time a Jit working on Ubuntu 14.04.02 LTS by
> installing the Trunk libraries as indicated in the documentation. About
> these libraries have installed llvm, llvm-dev e llvm-3.4-dev.
> With and without Fast: same computation about 3 seconds versus about 47
> seconds, earlier with llvm-3.5-dev and same computation I had obtained
> segmentation fault error.
>
> This is the Ru-vuott test:
>
> Fast
>
> Public Sub Button1_Click()
>
>   Dim I As Integer
>   Dim start, finish As Float
>
>   start = Timer
>
>   For I = 1 To 10
> Print Test(0.2)
>   Next
>   finish = Timer
>   Print finish - start
>
> End
>
>
> Sub Test(X As Float) As Float
>
>Dim Mu As Float = 10.0
>Dim Pu, Su As Float
>Dim I, J, N As Integer
>Dim aPoly As New Float[100]
>
>N = 50
>
>For I = 0 To N - 1
>  For J = 0 To 99
>Mu = (Mu + 2.0) / 2.0
>aPoly[J] = Mu
>  Next
>  Su = 0.0
>  For J = 0 To 99
>Su = X * Su + aPoly[J]
>  Next
>  Pu += Su
>Next
>
>Return Pu
>
> End
>

Please send your project.

Regards,


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Re: [Gambas-user] Extern library libftd2xx

2015-03-11 Thread CJ
Hi Ivan,

> does anyone have an example of external library
> libftd2xx?  I can't get data from the USB device.

If you find something please share with the list. I'm also
interested in the topic.

/CJ


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Re: [Gambas-user] Top posting

2015-03-11 Thread Fabien Bodard
Le 11 mars 2015 08:37, "Rolf-Werner Eilert"  a
écrit :
>
>
>
> Am 11.03.2015 06:54, schrieb richard terry:
> > On 11/03/15 14:37, Kevin Fishburne wrote:
> >> On 03/10/2015 07:37 PM, richard terry wrote:
> >>> Personally I like top-posting, some lists I"m on use it. I find it
> >>> easier to find out the last thing said rather than having to scroll
down
> >>> to the bottom of a long post. If the mail headers are up in the top
> >>> pain, and the text in the bottom pain its easy to just scroll down the
> >>> mail without having to constantly jump to the bottom pane to go down
to
> >>> the bottom.
> >> Oh, you really stepped in it now, Richard. Did someone finally port
> >> Outlook Express to Linux? I'm kidding, of course. To each their own,
but
> >> threads get crazy when top and bottom posting are mixed. It starts to
> >> appear random after a while. We need an entirely new mail protocol that
> >> fixes the top/bottom-posting issue AND spam. Because why not?
> >>
> > Ok, a bottom post.
> >
> >Haven’t used  Windows on the desktop for nearly many many yrs, and
> > never used outlook
> >
> > I guess if the list wants bottom post, I"ll bottom post, after all
> > though I read the stuff every day I don't post much, but don't want to
> > inconvenience people.
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >
>
> For someone who comes later and has to find the clue to the thread, it's
> easier to follow with bottom posts. In all the company environments I
> know, however, top posts are made simply because both parties usually
> are informed about the topic and just want to read what the other side
> has written. Keeping the old posts is for documentary reasons - and
> sometimes laziness - only.
>
> For my own part, I prefer top posts when it has to be quick, but as I
> have learned mailing lists back in the time of Fidonet, I would prefer
> cutting everything of the old post(s) except the really relevant parts
> and inserting my own texts between.
>
> If someone introduced a new mail text protocol, this might be done with
> tags similar to html. This would leave the text readable in text-only
> mail clients or for the case something gets garbled. Newer programs
> could handle the tags and make it up like the message clients on
> smartphones do.
>
> For instance, we could use a simple %DATETIME% tag for a number of
> lines, and a #DATETIME# closing tag. Or would   be
> better? Maybe one could even have a quoting system like that of the
> popular forums, including the name of the author etc. The mail client
> would then figure out which block of text belongs where, and the user
> could choose for top or bottom quote or whatever is preferred.
>
> Should we start a project in Gambas? :)
Why not ?... A library, a gui, a cgi
> Rolf
>
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Re: [Gambas-user] Random access files with fixed-length string

2015-03-11 Thread Gian
Il 11/03/2015 14:12, Tobias Boege ha scritto:
> On Tue, 10 Mar 2015, Gian wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
>> those coming from the Windows VB, frequently asks how to work with random
>> access files with fixed-length string.
>> I created this demo as an explanation and would like to know if you think
>> right, correct in part or completely wrong.
>> Thank you for attention
>>
>

Hello Tobias,
I would like to clarify this:
My example comes from a discussion of the Italian forum where some said 
that in Gambas there is no concept of random with fixed-length strings.
I counseled the use of a database. :)

> Looks good. But, as you mentioned in the project description, it would also
> be possible, and easier, to use Structs, as we did[0].
>

This I was already said, but I do not understand what it would be easier 
in my example using the structure.
If the structure add a fixed array as you can have dynamism?
How can you change the single data in the record, without changing the 
whole file?

> Also, if someone came to me and said: "in VB I used to store data in a non-
> human-readable binary format. I want to continue doing so", I would briefly
> mention that this is not *necessarily* a nice move and plain text files are
> much more welcome in general. Also, if you are GNU-affine, they say[1]:
>
>"[...] Unix programs often have static tables or fixed-size strings, which
> make for arbitrary limits; use dynamic allocation instead."
>
> If you create a new file format for your application, there are gb.settings
> and gb.xml to consider first which provide these things already.

I agree but I think a database is better :)

Thank you very much
Gianluigi



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Re: [Gambas-user] gb.scanner

2015-03-11 Thread Fabien Bodard
Le 11 mars 2015 17:59, "Johny Provoost"  a écrit :
>
> Hello,
>
> Is there's some place where I can get some more help about gb.scanner.
> The help in Gambas doesn't show much.
>
> I'll tried
>
> Public Sub Button1_Click()
>Dim HPScan As Image
>Dim MyScan As Scanner
>Scanners.Search
>MyScan.Scan(HPScan)
> End
>
> scanners.search find my scanner (see in the terminal window:
>
hpaio:/usb/Deskjet_2540_series?serial=CN38T2DM680604|Hewlett-Packard|Deskjet_2540_series|all-in-one)
> but myscan.scan(HPScan) gives 'Null Object'
>
> Do I somewhere config my scanner like you have to config your printer?
>
> Regards,
> Johny
>

Well I've not documented the component yet

But you must do :

Himg =Scanners["
hpaio:/usb/Deskjet_2540_series?serial=CN38T2DM680604"].scan()

Or

Hmyscan as scanner
Hmyscan =scanners["hpaio:/usb/Deskjet_2540_series?serial=CN38T2DM680604"]

Himg=Hnyscan.scan()

I will send an example on the farm quikly

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Re: [Gambas-user] gb.scanner

2015-03-11 Thread Ron
Here a cleanup of an already existing Gambas Scanner app using
scanimage cli command I use regularly.
https://github.com/cyberjunky/gbscan/

It does all the option parsing from cli output...

Maybe we can make it better using gb.scanner component and vice versa..
Thinks I want to add are digital stamps like "Confidential" and signatures...

Regards,
Ron.

2015-03-11 19:24 GMT+01:00 Johny Provoost :
>
>
> Op 11-03-15 om 19:10 schreef Fabien Bodard:
>> Le 11 mars 2015 17:59, "Johny Provoost"  a écrit :
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Is there's some place where I can get some more help about gb.scanner.
>>> The help in Gambas doesn't show much.
>>>
>>> I'll tried
>>>
>>> Public Sub Button1_Click()
>>> Dim HPScan As Image
>>> Dim MyScan As Scanner
>>> Scanners.Search
>>> MyScan.Scan(HPScan)
>>> End
>>>
>>> scanners.search find my scanner (see in the terminal window:
>>>
>> hpaio:/usb/Deskjet_2540_series?serial=CN38T2DM680604|Hewlett-Packard|Deskjet_2540_series|all-in-one)
>>> but myscan.scan(HPScan) gives 'Null Object'
>>>
>>> Do I somewhere config my scanner like you have to config your printer?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Johny
>>>
>> Well I've not documented the component yet
>>
>> But you must do :
>>
>> Himg =Scanners["
>> hpaio:/usb/Deskjet_2540_series?serial=CN38T2DM680604"].scan()
>>
>> Or
>>
>> Hmyscan as scanner
>> Hmyscan =scanners["hpaio:/usb/Deskjet_2540_series?serial=CN38T2DM680604"]
>>
>> Himg=Hnyscan.scan()
>>
>> I will send an example on the farm quikly
>>
>> ---
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>
> Thank you Fabian.
> Can start now.  Looking forward to your example.
>
> Johny
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Re: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.7 (3)

2015-03-11 Thread Benoît Minisini
Le 11/03/2015 04:49, Kevin Fishburne a écrit :
> This isn't a bug, but a minor (if annoying) usability issue. If you have
> a lot of procedures and click the procedure drop-down (or listbox or
> whatever) the procedure the cursor is in used to be highlighted in the
> list, but this is no longer the case. I name my procedures so that they
> are grouped by similarity when in alphabetical order, so the lack of
> highlighting forces me to scan through more of the list to locate the
> one I want to select. I can't used the highlighted procedure as a point
> of reference when scanning for another one, basically.
>

Done in revision #6978.

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Re: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.7 (3)

2015-03-11 Thread Kevin Fishburne
On 03/11/2015 06:39 PM, Benoît Minisini wrote:
> Le 11/03/2015 04:49, Kevin Fishburne a écrit :
>> This isn't a bug, but a minor (if annoying) usability issue. If you have
>> a lot of procedures and click the procedure drop-down (or listbox or
>> whatever) the procedure the cursor is in used to be highlighted in the
>> list, but this is no longer the case. I name my procedures so that they
>> are grouped by similarity when in alphabetical order, so the lack of
>> highlighting forces me to scan through more of the list to locate the
>> one I want to select. I can't used the highlighted procedure as a point
>> of reference when scanning for another one, basically.
>>
> Done in revision #6978.
>
> Regards,
>

You're like Superman on speed-dial, Benoît. Sometimes I think you just 
threaten the code and it fixes itself out of fear. We should start one 
of those "Chuck Norris facts" threads for you.

When Benoît Minisini works out he doesn't get stronger, the machine does.

Benoît Minisini does not sleep; he waits.

Benoît Minisini was bitten by a cobra and after five days of 
excruciating pain...the cobra died.

Benoît Minisini doesn't dial the wrong number. You answered the wrong phone.

If Benoît Minisini was a Spartan in the movie 300, the movie would be 
called 1.

When Alexander Bell invented the telephone he had 3 missed calls from 
Benoît Minisini.

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Re: [Gambas-user] Pre-release of Gambas 3.7 (3)

2015-03-11 Thread Jorge Carrión
Kevin,

Don't say things like that out loud.

Chuck can be jealous...

2015-03-12 4:49 GMT+01:00 Kevin Fishburne :

> On 03/11/2015 06:39 PM, Benoît Minisini wrote:
> > Le 11/03/2015 04:49, Kevin Fishburne a écrit :
> >> This isn't a bug, but a minor (if annoying) usability issue. If you have
> >> a lot of procedures and click the procedure drop-down (or listbox or
> >> whatever) the procedure the cursor is in used to be highlighted in the
> >> list, but this is no longer the case. I name my procedures so that they
> >> are grouped by similarity when in alphabetical order, so the lack of
> >> highlighting forces me to scan through more of the list to locate the
> >> one I want to select. I can't used the highlighted procedure as a point
> >> of reference when scanning for another one, basically.
> >>
> > Done in revision #6978.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
>
> You're like Superman on speed-dial, Benoît. Sometimes I think you just
> threaten the code and it fixes itself out of fear. We should start one
> of those "Chuck Norris facts" threads for you.
>
> When Benoît Minisini works out he doesn't get stronger, the machine does.
>
> Benoît Minisini does not sleep; he waits.
>
> Benoît Minisini was bitten by a cobra and after five days of
> excruciating pain...the cobra died.
>
> Benoît Minisini doesn't dial the wrong number. You answered the wrong
> phone.
>
> If Benoît Minisini was a Spartan in the movie 300, the movie would be
> called 1.
>
> When Alexander Bell invented the telephone he had 3 missed calls from
> Benoît Minisini.
>
> --
> Kevin Fishburne
> Eight Virtues
> www: http://sales.eightvirtues.com
> e-mail: sa...@eightvirtues.com
> phone: (770) 853-6271
>
>
>
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