Re: [Gambas-user] Nice book of Gambas

2008-09-02 Thread Ron Onstenk
On Monday 01 September 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> 
> > Am Montag, 1. September 2008 21:14:43 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> >> Kari,
> >>
> >> I won't install the wiki till you have permission from John R.and the
> >> source to the original content. I will leave the
> >> http://gambas.allbasic.info sub-domain active till no hope is left.
> >>
> >> I'm still counting on you to get to the bottom of this.
> >>
> >> John
> > Sorry...but what are you trying to do here?? ...you have an "allbasic-site"
> > and want it to be a central site for "all" basic dialects. ...so go for
> > it!! ...search for the author of the book and drop him a mail, but stop
> > pushing other people into fire, which flames cook your meal!
> >
> > Greetz
> > Stevie
> 
> I was willing to accommodate the request to save the efforts put into  
> an open document that is getting stale by the day. If my contributions  
> and kindness aren't needed or appreciated then I will remove the  
> Gambas sub-domain and let the book die a slow death.
> 
> Sorry I even mentioned it.
> 
> John
> 

In my view Stevie is right, You are the one that republish the book in all ways.

If it is changed to a wiki site point 2 a) of the opendocument licence will be
in affect and difficult to fullfill.

So _you_ need the written permission to host it anyway and not the word I have
got it by mouth from J.R., Benoit or any other person.
You are only allowed to host the unmodified pdf for redistribution to members
of the gambas community as said in the first part of the book (1st page of 
text).

Don't forget it is published as a _real_ book and J.R. has also an agrement with
the publisher and it is posible he evem does not have the right to give 
permission.

The fact that it is available as pdf, and specail mentioned to the gambas 
community,
does not mean J.R.only has all the rights for permision,
The book as script is sold to the publisher as J.R. will have got money for it.
Most cases publishing, and copyrights, are hands over.

Did you read the watermark in the pdf, that is the reason you find the trouble
when you try to print it and the document is protected.
With KPDF you (or I) can't copy past text to the clipboard.
That will be a need restriction from the book puslisher for a permsion to 
release it as pdf.
Gambas users, the group who mostly will buy it, get this way a preview before 
the actual buy.
I wish I got such previews from books of Stephen King :)

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Re: [Gambas-user] Nice book of Gambas

2008-09-02 Thread Ron Onstenk
On Tuesday 02 September 2008, Henri Girard wrote:
> I don't know if you know it but openoffice 3 has an import of acrobat which 
> is not bad though in beta version
>  
> 

Yeah right and when the pdf is protected against print and copy/past and the 
developers of OO are
honest they import that too and handle following those restrictions.
So you can read it and that's it. :)

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Re: [Gambas-user] new user

2008-09-02 Thread Doriano Blengino
Szenográdi Norbert Péter ha scritto:
> Hi all.
>
> Im a new member on gambas-user-list.
>
> I have some quession:
> - How can I send a datas to other form..
>   
There are two ways.
1 - In the project properties, you can set "Controls of forms are 
public". Once this is done, you can address/refer to controls on other 
forms by their name, i.e. "Form2.label1.text = ". This option is 
global to the project: all the form have public controls or none.

2 - As each form is a class, it can have public variables and methods. 
You can declare PUBLIC variables and access them from outside the form. 
If you want the form react in some way, this is not enough; after 
setting a variable you must call a public method declared in the form, 
which can manipulate its controls. This can be done in a single step: 
write a public method having some parameter, then call that method 
passing the data you want. That method can use the data you passed and 
do what is needed.

For example, suppose you have a main form which, at some point, opens 
another form as a "status" form. This StatusForm has a Label1 on it, 
showing some message. If controls are public (first solution), then you 
simply write in the main:

StatusForm.Label1.Text = "Opening data file..."
WAIT   ' this is required to update instantly the screen

Using the second way runs like this. In the StatusForm code (.class 
file), declare a public method like this:

PUBLIC SUB UpdateMessage(st AS String)
  Label1.Text = st
  WAIT
END

At this point, in the main program, you can call: 
StatusForm.UpdateMessage("Opening data file...")

> - How can I see any -manual inserted- data in Tableview and/or
> Gridview..
>   
Look at the manual page about GridView - it contains an example on how 
to set grid "dimensions" (number of row and columns), and fill them by 
code. About to see them... I don't understand the problem; provided that 
the event loop is called, then you will see any data a Gridview is 
filled with.

Email again if you have still problems.



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Re: [Gambas-user] Nice book of Gambas

2008-09-02 Thread gambas
To get back to the topic. :-)
I think it's a very very good idea to take the book as a basis for 
documentation in a wiki.  But what is needed is the permission of J.R. and/or 
the publisher. 
With respect to J.R.s situation, we could try to contact the publisher of the 
book. When they say "no" it is no...but it's an answer. Perhaps they can tell 
us, who's responsible for granting rights and permissions.

Here is my situation...and I know, I'm not allone with this.
I never coded in any OO-language. ...and I never designed a 
GUI-program. ...but I like Gambas so much. ...and there is either old or no 
documentation. For a rookie like me, at the moment coding in Gambas means: 
Hacking one hour and gathering the needed information eight hours. Looking 
into the PDF-book, searching the wiki, scanning the mailinglist archives, 
analyzing other people code sniplets in the internet and so on. ...it's a 
little bit frustrating. 
It would be so pity, when Gambas doesn't get the acception, it is owing.

Sorry for my poor English ...it's not my native language.

Greetz
Stevie


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Re: [Gambas-user] Nice book of Gambas

2008-09-02 Thread Stefano Palmeri
Fabien, bad idea to spread the world with J.R. health conditions.
It's against privacy law on many countries, unless J.R. gave you
permission to do that. I think it's a good idea removing
that message from Gambas online archives. 
Benoit, can you do it?

Best regards,

Stefano Palmeri

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Re: [Gambas-user] new user

2008-09-02 Thread Kari Laine
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Doriano Blengino <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Look at the manual page about GridView - it contains an example on how
> to set grid "dimensions" (number of row and columns), and fill them by
> code. About to see them... I don't understand the problem; provided that
> the event loop is called, then you will see any data a Gridview is
> filled with.
>
>
Thanks for good info. Could you please tell me what you are referring with
"manual page about GridView"? I could not find it.

Best Regards
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Re: [Gambas-user] Nice book of Gambas

2008-09-02 Thread Kari Laine
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Stefano Palmeri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Fabien, bad idea to spread the world with J.R. health conditions.
> It's against privacy law on many countries, unless J.R. gave you
> permission to do that. I think it's a good idea removing
> that message from Gambas online archives.
> Benoit, can you do it?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Stefano Palmeri
>
> If I would knew that this going to start this heated discussion I would not
have posted it in the first place...

Anyway here are the details for the publisher

Beginner's Guide to Gambas *by John W.
Rittinghouse
*
Product Details

   - ISBN: 0741429489
   - ISBN-13: 9780741429483
   - Format: Paperback, 364pp
   - Publisher: Buy Books on the Web.Com
   - Pub. Date: January 2006
   - Sales Rank: 476,005

http://www.buybooksontheweb.com/

There is a contact on the page. Someone with good english should write
proposition to them.
Possibly discuss it here. But I am quite sure the answer from the publisher
is NO.

Best Regards
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[Gambas-user] ByRef

2008-09-02 Thread gambas
Hello List!

I've switched to development version 3.0 and I'm trying to get rid of this 
ByRef thing. I wonder, if someone could explane the syntax to me!

Thanks in advance!!

Greetz
Stevie



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Re: [Gambas-user] new user

2008-09-02 Thread Doriano Blengino
Kari Laine ha scritto:
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Doriano Blengino <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> Look at the manual page about GridView - it contains an example on how
>> to set grid "dimensions" (number of row and columns), and fill them by
>> code. About to see them... I don't understand the problem; provided that
>> the event loop is called, then you will see any data a Gridview is
>> filled with.
>>
>>
>> 
> Thanks for good info. Could you please tell me what you are referring with
> "manual page about GridView"? I could not find it.
>   
I downloaded the html documentation, so the relevant part is the last 
one (xxx is my local path):

xxx/help/comp/gb+qt/gridview.html

If you point to the main page of the online help, the one which has an 
"tree index" on the left, click on "gb.qt" in the left; the right side 
of the page will show a directory of QT controls - there you will find 
"GridView".

Or, you can look at online documentation (I get a different layout, but 
it's ok...):

http://gambasdoc.org/help/comp

and there you find "gb.qt". GTK is almost the same, but several hidden 
and obscure differences/bugs arise. It is very good you can choose 
between QT and GTK without changing anything in your project and, for 
simple GUI management, GTK works enough; if you need "solid" GUI, QT is 
the way to go, at the moment.

I don't know why my local copy of the help has a nice index in the left, 
while I cannot get it online. My local copy was borrowed directly from 
the source distribution.

Anyway, I paste here the source code on how to fill a Gridview:


  Examples

'Fill grid explicitely
GridView1.Columns.Count = 4
GridView1.Rows.Count = 3
GridView1.Columns.Width = 52
GridView1.Rows[1].Height = 52
GridView1[0,0].Text = "0,0"
GridView1[0,0].Alignment = 4
GridView1[1,1].Text = "1,1"
GridView1[0,1].Text = "0,1"
GridView1[1,0].Picture = Picture["image.png"]


Keeping on willing to help,
best regards.
Doriano Blengino

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Re: [Gambas-user] ByRef

2008-09-02 Thread Emil Tchekov
Hello Stevie,

If this is similar to the ByRef from VB, there is following to be said:

In Subroutine or Function that expects parameters passed from other part of
your program there are two possibilities to pass them

By Value (ByVal) or by Reference (ByRef).

First one means that your Sub gets only the Value and does NOT change the
variable that was passed in.

Passing by Reference is almoust the same as the pointer concept from C
language, INTERN the address of the var is passed so the Value CAN be
changed inside the Subroutine.

Hereby you must be carefull, sometime passing ByRef can spare time and
ressources, but it can also be (used without deeper mean) a source of hardly
to track bugs...


kind regards

Emil

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Hello List!

I've switched to development version 3.0 and I'm trying to get rid of this
ByRef thing. I wonder, if someone could explane the syntax to me!

Thanks in advance!!

Greetz
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Re: [Gambas-user] ByRef

2008-09-02 Thread Emil Tchekov
Forgot to gave you example (VB)


sub main()

dim a as integer

a=1

debug.print a, pr1(a)
debug.print a, pr2(a)
debug.print a

end sub


private sub pr1(byval a)

a=2

return a

end sub


private sub pr2(byref a)

a=2

return a

end sub


result will be as follows

1   2

1* 2

2 (!)


*As you can see on the first sub the var a is local to your sub, it was
changed (returns 2), but the passed a has stil value 1

(!) in the second procedure the passed var a was changed! (the a that was
defined in the sub main!)



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I've switched to development version 3.0 and I'm trying to get rid of this
ByRef thing. I wonder, if someone could explane the syntax to me!

Thanks in advance!!

Greetz
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Re: [Gambas-user] Nice book of Gambas

2008-09-02 Thread Benoit Minisini
On mardi 02 septembre 2008, Stefano Palmeri wrote:
> Fabien, bad idea to spread the world with J.R. health conditions.
> It's against privacy law on many countries, unless J.R. gave you
> permission to do that. I think it's a good idea removing
> that message from Gambas online archives.
> Benoit, can you do it?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Stefano Palmeri
>

You are right. But I have to wait that the post appears in the archive: the 
latest mail in it is from Aug.22th at the moment!

Regards,

-- 
Benoit Minisini

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[Gambas-user] shell

2008-09-02 Thread Mike
Hi all

 

I am trying to run the terminal with input from the gambas shell command.
Looks like I have it wrong, any help please.

 

SHELL "/home/mike/Desktop/Terminal espeak Hello" 

 

Regards all

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Re: [Gambas-user] shell

2008-09-02 Thread Szenográdi Norbert Péter
Hi,

this is working fine:

PUBLIC SUB Form_Open()
SHELL "espeak Hello"
END


regards, Sevoir


2008. 09. 2, kedd keltezéssel 19.16-kor Mike ezt írta:
> Hi all
> 
>  
> 
> I am trying to run the terminal with input from the gambas shell command.
> Looks like I have it wrong, any help please.
> 
>  
> 
> SHELL "/home/mike/Desktop/Terminal espeak Hello" 
> 
>  
> 
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> 
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Re: [Gambas-user] Q:how to save a file.png into Postgresql

2008-09-02 Thread Rolf Schmidt
Hello Richard

> Dies at the line containing 'Coct' with message: unknown identifier
>
> but I'm sure this way is good, as I can remember reading something about
> this in the postgres doc's but couldn't figure out how to do the
> substitution.

OK, I thougt it is a Gambas converting function, but it isn't.
It should convert a given number into an octal number, return the number as a 
string.
So here it is:

PRIVAT FUNCTION COct(num as Integer) as String
  DIM octnumber AS NEW Interger[]
  DIM octstring as String

  octnumber.Add(int(num / 64))
  octnumber.Add(int((num MOD 64) / 8 ))
  octnumber.Add((num Mod 64) MOD 8)
  octstring = octnumber[0] & octnumber[1] & octnumber[2]
  RETURN octstring
END

> Next step?

Test it.

Fine regards
Rolf


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Re: [Gambas-user] new user

2008-09-02 Thread Stephen Bungay
   Yet another way of doing this is to use public properties. For 
example, a small form class that pops up a message might look like this;

PRIVATE mMessageText AS String

PUBLIC PROPERTY MessageText AS String

PRIVATE FUNCTION MessageText_Read() AS String
 RETURN (mMessageText)
END

PRIVATE SUB MessageText_Write(Value AS String)
   mMessageText = Value
   TextArea1.Text = Value
   Timer2.Enabled = TRUE
END

PUBLIC SUB Timer2_Timer()
ME.Close
END


   You set the value of properties and the class does whatever it was 
designed to do with them, in this case set  a TextArea to the value that 
was set in the public property "MessageText". The form has a timer on it 
which is set to display the message for X number of seconds and then 
close the form. You could add another property to this form to allow the 
changing of the timer interval, giving the form even more flexibility.

PRIVATE mMessageText AS String

PRIVATE mTimeInterval AS Integer

PUBLIC PROPERTY TimerInterval AS Integer

PRIVATE FUNCTION TimerInterval_Read() AS Integer
 RETURN (mTimerInterval)
END

PRIVATE TimerInterval_Write(Value AS Integer)
 mTimerInterval = Value
 ' Assign the delay from the variable 'mTimerInterval'
 ' OR 'Value', in this case I use the former.
 Timer2.Delay = mTimerInterval
END

PUBLIC PROPERTY MessageText AS String

PRIVATE FUNCTION MessageText_Read() AS String
 RETURN (mMessageText)
END

PRIVATE SUB MessageText_Write(Value AS String)
   mMessageText = Value
   TextArea1.Text = Value

   ' If the user does not set a delay then set the default.
   If TimerInterval = 0 then
  Timer2.Delay = 3
   end if

   ' Ensure the timer is enabled.
   If not Timer2.Enabled then
  Timer2.Enabled = TRUE
   end if
END

PUBLIC SUB Timer2_Timer()
ME.Close
END


Steve.

Doriano Blengino wrote:
> Szenográdi Norbert Péter ha scritto:
>> Hi all.
>>
>> Im a new member on gambas-user-list.
>>
>> I have some quession:
>> - How can I send a datas to other form..
>>   
> There are two ways.
> 1 - In the project properties, you can set "Controls of forms are 
> public". Once this is done, you can address/refer to controls on other 
> forms by their name, i.e. "Form2.label1.text = ". This option is 
> global to the project: all the form have public controls or none.
> 
> 2 - As each form is a class, it can have public variables and methods. 
> You can declare PUBLIC variables and access them from outside the form. 
> If you want the form react in some way, this is not enough; after 
> setting a variable you must call a public method declared in the form, 
> which can manipulate its controls. This can be done in a single step: 
> write a public method having some parameter, then call that method 
> passing the data you want. That method can use the data you passed and 
> do what is needed.
> 
> For example, suppose you have a main form which, at some point, opens 
> another form as a "status" form. This StatusForm has a Label1 on it, 
> showing some message. If controls are public (first solution), then you 
> simply write in the main:
> 
> StatusForm.Label1.Text = "Opening data file..."
> WAIT   ' this is required to update instantly the screen
> 
> Using the second way runs like this. In the StatusForm code (.class 
> file), declare a public method like this:
> 
> PUBLIC SUB UpdateMessage(st AS String)
>   Label1.Text = st
>   WAIT
> END
> 
> At this point, in the main program, you can call: 
> StatusForm.UpdateMessage("Opening data file...")
> 
>> - How can I see any -manual inserted- data in Tableview and/or
>> Gridview..
>>   
> Look at the manual page about GridView - it contains an example on how 
> to set grid "dimensions" (number of row and columns), and fill them by 
> code. About to see them... I don't understand the problem; provided that 
> the event loop is called, then you will see any data a Gridview is 
> filled with.
> 
> Email again if you have still problems.
> 
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Re: [Gambas-user] new user

2008-09-02 Thread Stephen Bungay
   Kari means go to the online help.

   Select the little question mark '?' to the right of the 'tools' menu 
at the top of the GAMBAS IDE. Then select 'Help Browswer' and when it 
appears you will see on the left side of the window a list of items 
entitled 'Gambas components'.

   Now I usually use QT, so I would look down through that list until I 
find the item labeled 'gb.qt' and click on the plus sign '+' to expand 
it out. If you're using GTK then look for 'gb.gtk' and click on the '+' 
that is next to it. Look down through the resulting expanded tree of 
items and you will see an entry for 'GridView'. Click on THAT and you 
will get the information of which Kari speaks.

Steve.

Kari Laine wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Doriano Blengino <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Look at the manual page about GridView - it contains an example on how
>> to set grid "dimensions" (number of row and columns), and fill them by
>> code. About to see them... I don't understand the problem; provided that
>> the event loop is called, then you will see any data a Gridview is
>> filled with.
>>
>>
> Thanks for good info. Could you please tell me what you are referring with
> "manual page about GridView"? I could not find it.
> 
> Best Regards
> Kari
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Re: [Gambas-user] ByRef

2008-09-02 Thread gambas
Am Dienstag, 2. September 2008 12:06:09 schrieb Emil Tchekov:
> Forgot to gave you example (VB)
>
>
> sub main()
>
>   dim a as integer
>
>   a=1
>
>   debug.print a, pr1(a)
>   debug.print a, pr2(a)
>   debug.print a
>
> end sub
>
>
> private sub pr1(byval a)
>
>   a=2
>
>   return a
>
> end sub
>
>
> private sub pr2(byref a)
>
>   a=2
>
>   return a
>
> end sub
>
>
> result will be as follows
>
> 1   2
>
> 1* 2
>
> 2 (!)
>
>
> *As you can see on the first sub the var a is local to your sub, it was
> changed (returns 2), but the passed a has stil value 1
>
> (!) in the second procedure the passed var a was changed! (the a that was
> defined in the sub main!)

Hi Emil,

thanks for your reply! ...it helped to understand the concepts and the syntax. 
Meanwhile I got it running. Gambas wants the "Byref" twice! Once by calling 
the procedure and a second time in the header of the function.

Sub Main

DIM sResult as String
sResult = ""
GetData(Byref sResult)
Print sResult & "\n"
End


Public Sub GetData(ByRef sResult As String)
  
 sResult = "Hello"
 
End

Greetz
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Re: [Gambas-user] ByRef

2008-09-02 Thread Benoit Minisini
On mardi 02 septembre 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 2. September 2008 12:06:09 schrieb Emil Tchekov:
> > Forgot to gave you example (VB)
> >
> >
> > sub main()
> >
> > dim a as integer
> >
> > a=1
> >
> > debug.print a, pr1(a)
> > debug.print a, pr2(a)
> > debug.print a
> >
> > end sub
> >
> >
> > private sub pr1(byval a)
> >
> > a=2
> >
> > return a
> >
> > end sub
> >
> >
> > private sub pr2(byref a)
> >
> > a=2
> >
> > return a
> >
> > end sub
> >
> >
> > result will be as follows
> >
> > 1   2
> >
> > 1* 2
> >
> > 2 (!)
> >
> >
> > *As you can see on the first sub the var a is local to your sub, it was
> > changed (returns 2), but the passed a has stil value 1
> >
> > (!) in the second procedure the passed var a was changed! (the a that was
> > defined in the sub main!)
>
> Hi Emil,
>
> thanks for your reply! ...it helped to understand the concepts and the
> syntax. Meanwhile I got it running. Gambas wants the "Byref" twice! Once by
> calling the procedure and a second time in the header of the function.
>
> Sub Main
>
>   DIM sResult as String
>   sResult = ""
>   GetData(Byref sResult)
>   Print sResult & "\n"
> End
>
>
> Public Sub GetData(ByRef sResult As String)
>
>sResult = "Hello"
>
> End
>
> Greetz
> Stevie
>

The ByRef feature was mainly added to help people porting VB project. 

It does not work by passing pointers, but by keeping the value of the argument 
when the function ends, and put it into the expression passed ByRef.

  GetData(ByRef sResult)

does actually the following:

  GetData(sResult) ' Push sResult on the stack as first argument.
  ...  ' Do not free the stack after GetData ends.
  sResult = ...' Gets the value from the stack and put it into sResult.

Note that this way, any assignment expression can be passed by reference.

  GetData(ByRef MyCollectionOfLabels["key"].Text)

At function declaration, ByRef means that you *can* pass the argument by 
reference, but that you may not.

At function call, ByRef means that you *want* the argument to be passe by 
reference.

As Gambas linking is entirely dynamic, the interpreter checks at runtime that 
you use ByRef if the function really allows it. This is the reason why ByRef 
must be specified noth at function declaration and at function call.

Moreover, you can see that ByRef makes the function call slower because of the 
needed checks and the recall of the value from the stack.

Regards,

-- 
Benoit Minisini

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Re: [Gambas-user] new user

2008-09-02 Thread Kari Laine
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Stephen Bungay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   Kari means go to the online help.
>
>   Select the little question mark '?' to the right of the 'tools' menu
> at the top of the GAMBAS IDE. Then select 'Help Browswer' and when it
> appears you will see on the left side of the window a list of items
> entitled 'Gambas components'.
>

I really know this :-))) But that "man gridview" confused me because I
thought there are man pages for things


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Re: [Gambas-user] Nice book of Gambas

2008-09-02 Thread Ron_1st
On Tuesday 02 September 2008, Kari Laine wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Stefano Palmeri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> 
> > Fabien, bad idea to spread the world with J.R. health conditions.
> > It's against privacy law on many countries, unless J.R. gave you
> > permission to do that. I think it's a good idea removing
> > that message from Gambas online archives.
> > Benoit, can you do it?
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Stefano Palmeri
> >
> If I would knew that this going to start this heated discussion I would not
> have posted it in the first place...
> 

No problem of a heated discussion for me. 
I think it just only good to try to get the real permision.

The idea to make a wiki of it so users can contribute to it is
just fine. I had also in the first time many problems to find the
way how all the stuff was mixed together and I'm not the only one.

> Anyway here are the details for the publisher

> Beginner's Guide to Gambas *by John W.
> Rittinghouse
> *
> Product Details
>
>   - ISBN: 0741429489
>   - ISBN-13: 9780741429483
>   - Format: Paperback, 364pp
>   - Publisher: Buy Books on the Web.Com
>   - Pub. Date: January 2006
>   - Sales Rank: 476,005
>
> http://www.buybooksontheweb.com/
>
> There is a contact on the page. Someone with good english should write
> proposition to them.
> Possibly discuss it here. 
> But I am quite sure the answer from the publisher is NO.

Think the same. But never try is always lost. 

>
> Best Regards
> Kari Laine

Best regards
Ron_1st

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Re: [Gambas-user] ByRef

2008-09-02 Thread gambas
Am Dienstag, 2. September 2008 16:35:47 schrieb Benoit Minisini:
>
> The ByRef feature was mainly added to help people porting VB project.
>
> It does not work by passing pointers, but by keeping the value of the
> argument when the function ends, and put it into the expression passed
> ByRef.
>
>   GetData(ByRef sResult)
>
> does actually the following:
>
>   GetData(sResult) ' Push sResult on the stack as first argument.
>   ...  ' Do not free the stack after GetData ends.
>   sResult = ...' Gets the value from the stack and put it into sResult.
>
> Note that this way, any assignment expression can be passed by reference.
>
>   GetData(ByRef MyCollectionOfLabels["key"].Text)
>
> At function declaration, ByRef means that you *can* pass the argument by
> reference, but that you may not.
>
> At function call, ByRef means that you *want* the argument to be passe by
> reference.
>
> As Gambas linking is entirely dynamic, the interpreter checks at runtime
> that you use ByRef if the function really allows it. This is the reason why
> ByRef must be specified noth at function declaration and at function call.
>
> Moreover, you can see that ByRef makes the function call slower because of
> the needed checks and the recall of the value from the stack.

Message understood!!! :-)))
Thank you very much!

Greetz
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Re: [Gambas-user] Nice book of Gambas

2008-09-02 Thread Kari Laine
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Ron_1st <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tuesday 02 September 2008, Kari Laine wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Stefano Palmeri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >wrote:
> >
> > Product Details
> >
> >   - ISBN: 0741429489
> >   - ISBN-13: 9780741429483
> >   - Format: Paperback, 364pp
> >   - Publisher: Buy Books on the Web.Com
> >   - Pub. Date: January 2006
> >   - Sales Rank: 476,005
> >
> > http://www.buybooksontheweb.com/
> >
> > There is a contact on the page. Someone with good english should write
> > proposition to them.
> > Possibly discuss it here.
> > But I am quite sure the answer from the publisher is NO.
>
> Think the same. But never try is always lost.
>
>
They will ask "What's there for me?"
Maybe addspace for them at allbasic.info ?

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Re: [Gambas-user] Nice book of Gambas

2008-09-02 Thread gambas
Am Dienstag, 2. September 2008 17:16:10 schrieb Ron_1st:
> > If I would knew that this going to start this heated discussion I would
> > not have posted it in the first place...
>
> No problem of a heated discussion for me.
Full Ack! 

> I think it just only good to try to get the real permision.
After reading the licence, any other strategy would be a crime!

> > Anyway here are the details for the publisher
> >
> > Beginner's Guide to Gambas *by John W.
> > Rittinghouse >John+W%2E+Rittinghouse> *
> > Product Details
> >
> >   - ISBN: 0741429489
> >   - ISBN-13: 9780741429483
> >   - Format: Paperback, 364pp
> >   - Publisher: Buy Books on the Web.Com
> >   - Pub. Date: January 2006
> >   - Sales Rank: 476,005
> >
> > http://www.buybooksontheweb.com/
> >
> > There is a contact on the page. Someone with good english should write
> > proposition to them.
> > Possibly discuss it here.
> > But I am quite sure the answer from the publisher is NO.
I would do itbut English is not my native language. :-(

Perhaps (at a first step) we should create a list of arguments, why the  
publisher should grant us permission to modify the books content.
...and to be honest: I don't think, that they say: NO ...because:
- Meanwhile the book is overaged ...something about 50%
- With every new release of Gambas it becomes older and olderand "our" 
Benoit is a hard-working guy! ;-)
- J.R. never updated the book...it's (too???) much work to update it in an 
one-man-show.
- The book is free for downloading. ...reading it, to become an overview 
regarding Gambas is okay...but, because of its age, it's no reliable 
reference. ...only a few people would pay for the print. ...so making money 
with the book is a fading process.

...pps! ...I created a list of arguments! ;-)

Greetz
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Re: [Gambas-user] Nice book of Gambas

2008-09-02 Thread Kari Laine
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 7:28 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Am Dienstag, 2. September 2008 17:16:10 schrieb Ron_1st:
> > > If I would knew that this going to start this heated discussion I would
> > > not have posted it in the first place...
> >
> > No problem of a heated discussion for me.
> Full Ack!
>
> > I think it just only good to try to get the real permision.
> After reading the licence, any other strategy would be a crime!
>
> > >
> > > http://www.buybooksontheweb.com/
> > >
> > > There is a contact on the page. Someone with good english should write
> > > proposition to them.
> > > Possibly discuss it here.
> > > But I am quite sure the answer from the publisher is NO.
> I would do itbut English is not my native language. :-(
>
> Perhaps (at a first step) we should create a list of arguments, why the
> publisher should grant us permission to modify the books content.
> ...and to be honest: I don't think, that they say: NO ...because:
> - Meanwhile the book is overaged ...something about 50%
> - With every new release of Gambas it becomes older and olderand "our"
> Benoit is a hard-working guy! ;-)
> - J.R. never updated the book...it's (too???) much work to update it in an
> one-man-show.
> - The book is free for downloading. ...reading it, to become an overview
> regarding Gambas is okay...but, because of its age, it's no reliable
> reference. ...only a few people would pay for the print. ...so making money
> with the book is a fading process.
>
> ...pps! ...I created a list of arguments! ;-)
>
I think you made a good summary. Another thing might be that publisher might
get updated book to publish. I mean some people want the real thing. I have
bought - I think three at least - Rubini's device driver book, samba-book, a
Linux kernel book, and a linux programming book. It is nice to have the real
thing - harddisks tend to crash :-)

And as I wrote earlier add-space for the publisher is valuable thing these
days.

Now we need a volunteer to write a first draft.

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Re: [Gambas-user] Q:how to save a file.png into Postgresql

2008-09-02 Thread richard terry
On Tue, 2 Sep 2008 09:48:55 pm you wrote:
Ok, that got me a bit further: This is the resultant (failed) insert query .
First try using $$ as the delimiters as per my code gives this and fails:

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[Gambas-user] Books about compilers and interpreters

2008-09-02 Thread Kari Laine
Hi,

Could we collect to this thread list of books which are good about 
compiler and interpreter design.

I have one old book but it is pretty tough read. It is Compilers 
Principles, Techniques and Tools by Alfred V.Aho, Ravi Sethi, Jeffrey 
D.Ullman.
I am seeking a easier book to make me ready to tackle that one.

I am also after ANSI C standard document. Is it available gratis from 
net as pdf?

Benoit ?

Best Regards
Kari Laine

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Re: [Gambas-user] new user

2008-09-02 Thread Stephen Bungay
   Yeah there are man pages for things... but the conventional man pages 
don't apply to GAMBAS and the components. :)

Kari Laine wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Stephen Bungay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>   Kari means go to the online help.
>>
>>   Select the little question mark '?' to the right of the 'tools' menu
>> at the top of the GAMBAS IDE. Then select 'Help Browswer' and when it
>> appears you will see on the left side of the window a list of items
>> entitled 'Gambas components'.
>>
> 
> I really know this :-))) But that "man gridview" confused me because I
> thought there are man pages for things
> 
> 
> Best Regards
> Kari
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Re: [Gambas-user] Books about compilers and interpreters

2008-09-02 Thread Kari Laine
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 3:25 AM, Kari Laine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Could we collect to this thread list of books which are good about
> compiler and interpreter design.
>
> Forget first wrong list second amazon.co.uk search compilers and there is
ton to select.

Kari
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Re: [Gambas-user] Nice book of Gambas

2008-09-02 Thread Kari Laine
Hi,

as nobody has volunteered I try to write this proposal for publisher.

--
Dear Sir,

You are the publisher for a book from John W. Rittinghouse titled as
Beginner's Guide to Gambas.
It is very fine book but parts of it are pretty dated. Gambas project is
very active and it has users all over the world.

*Gambas* is a free development environment based on a *Basic* interpreter
with object extensions, a bit like *Visual Basic™* (but it is *NOT* a
clone !) More information at the http://gambas.sourceforge.net . Benoit
Minisini is the starter of the project and main developer. 

Gambas is now at version 2.8.2 and version 3.x.x is under development. Book
was based on version 1.x.x.

As is typical for open source projects documentation is always little
behind. Developer's do what they like most - code!  And producing nice
documentation is quite tuff and dull project. So it is not done. On the
Gambas mailing list an idea was raised that maybe if we get permission from
you we would turn this book as a baseline for wiki. Then Gambas users and
developers all over the world make it current and better. It is hard to
start wiki from zero so that is the reason for this request.

Only you know how good seller it is at the moment. But it's little old and
possible customers noticing that might not like the situation. Also it is
already available as free download in pdf-format.

What's your benefit
1. There would be your add on the wiki mentioning what book and publisher it
is based on.
2. After the wiki has lived for something around 12 months someone from the
Gambas community might turn contents of the wiki to a book you could
publish. Many people like to buy the real book also independent that same
information is in the net.



Yours Sincerely




You may now open the fire :-)

Best Regards
Kari
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