[dev-servo] Meeting notes 2/22 (new hires; WebRender; planning documents; intermittents; Stylo progress)

[Josh Matthews]

https://github.com/servo/servo/wiki/Meeting-2016-02-22

Cheers,
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Re: [dev-servo] Student Project

[Radu Manole]

Hello, can someone help me with this. I would like to start working as soon
as possible.
I am currently trying to solve small tasks for the project.
Thanks.


2016-01-21 1:10 GMT+02:00 Radu Manole :

> Hello,
>
> I have talked with my professor about my bachelor degree. The complexity
> should be that of the 2001 GSoC project Tilt made by Victor Porof,
> http://blog.mozilla.com/tilt
>
> One of my professor student. I am interested in any project that could
> help servo project. And to help me advance as an software developer.
>
> Thanks.
>
> P. S. Sorry for delay. Exams.
>
> 2016-01-11 20:44 GMT+02:00 Bobby Holley :
>
>> At least in Gecko, the media stack is somewhat intertwined. I know we were
>> planning on lifting at least the media playback pieces from Gecko into
>> Servo, so it's worth considering the implications there.
>>
>> I've also heard it suggested several times that Gecko might be interested
>> in building a WebAudio implementation in Rust. So it seems like there's
>> some collaboration potential there, but only if we think it through and
>> align resources.
>>
>> All in all, I think it's probably not suitable for a student project.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Ms2ger  wrote:
>>
>> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> > Hash: SHA1
>> >
>> > On 01/10/2016 09:48 PM, Robert O'Callahan wrote:
>> > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 7:04 AM, Nicolas Silva
>> > >  wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Anyone interested in implementing WebAudio and/or WebRTC (in
>> > >> Gecko there's some overlap in the underlying infrastructure)
>> > >> should first spend some time discussing the architecture with
>> > >> Paul Adenot (look for padenot on irc). Having a competitive or
>> > >> even just decent WebAudio implementation is more complex than it
>> > >> looks, and Gecko's implementation had to go through massive
>> > >> rewrites before it got to a satisfying place. According to Paul
>> > >> it's not the kind of architecture one gets right the first time
>> > >> without some serious experience in audio engines. That said, it
>> > >> would be great to have a WebAudio implementation in rust, and I
>> > >> am sure the rust gamedev community would be thrilled to have
>> > >> something like this!
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > Right.
>> > >
>> > > You'd really want to study the architecture of Gecko's
>> > > implementation and understand why it is the way it is before
>> > > attempting this. You'd also want to understand the architectural
>> > > changes we're still planning to make. Paul and I can help with
>> > > this.
>> > >
>> > > In Gecko MediaStreams and WebAudio are integrated into a single
>> > > real-time media graph (well, multiple graphs, one per logical
>> > > output channel), which has advantages but means you're designing
>> > > more than just WebAudio.
>> > >
>> > > If we did have a good WebAudio implementation in Servo it's one
>> > > piece I could imagine sharing with Gecko. But it's a lot of work to
>> > > get to parity.
>> > >
>> >
>> > FWIW, the issue () already
>> > says suggests talking to Paul and you, from the last time this was
>> > discussed.
>> >
>> > HTH
>> > Ms2ger
>> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
>> >
>> > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJWktEKAAoJEOXgvIL+s8n2cfoH/0JcslWVFJZwjvurKWKRz4sv
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>> > ahRaaWTcvfwa6elAvnusLeA24oowSXW94VGixjVW9W5VWqJgi4wN/B1WT4QUvpp7
>> > vVeT2jFcYQUWLjOOVnFWmvsCeZNUggsN1B6oNwlXTIWpDzXPaippPwlFPOvZUMqc
>> > kJAU5bsD+XA7686rL2GqGLBKyALcJx4oyEQQOhyt56PubQcR1Zy7Z5t0+oWsoKjt
>> > Lcimxcx9ts1Z1jqLgaZvWTQwDnEL9zvGX+7PGyw8kgH4P/TGNOXQ31fspA3FULY=
>> > =fhYA
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Re: [dev-servo] Student Project

[Emily Dunham]

Radu,

It's not clear from your emails whether you're volunteering to take on the
project discussed earlier in the thread, or looking for one of a different
scope.

You can find a variety of small to medium Servo tasks listed at
https://starters.servo.org/ and a list of more major projects at
https://github.com/servo/servo/wiki/Remaining-work .

When asking for help, you'll get better answers if you clarify what task
you are working on, what you've done so far to attempt the task, and what
kind of help you need. You can also join us in the #servo channel on
Mozilla IRC, https://wiki.mozilla.org/IRC .



On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Radu Manole 
wrote:

> Hello, can someone help me with this. I would like to start working as soon
> as possible.
> I am currently trying to solve small tasks for the project.
> Thanks.
>
>
> 2016-01-21 1:10 GMT+02:00 Radu Manole :
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have talked with my professor about my bachelor degree. The complexity
> > should be that of the 2001 GSoC project Tilt made by Victor Porof,
> > http://blog.mozilla.com/tilt
> >
> > One of my professor student. I am interested in any project that could
> > help servo project. And to help me advance as an software developer.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > P. S. Sorry for delay. Exams.
> >
> > 2016-01-11 20:44 GMT+02:00 Bobby Holley :
> >
> >> At least in Gecko, the media stack is somewhat intertwined. I know we
> were
> >> planning on lifting at least the media playback pieces from Gecko into
> >> Servo, so it's worth considering the implications there.
> >>
> >> I've also heard it suggested several times that Gecko might be
> interested
> >> in building a WebAudio implementation in Rust. So it seems like there's
> >> some collaboration potential there, but only if we think it through and
> >> align resources.
> >>
> >> All in all, I think it's probably not suitable for a student project.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Ms2ger  wrote:
> >>
> >> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> >> > Hash: SHA1
> >> >
> >> > On 01/10/2016 09:48 PM, Robert O'Callahan wrote:
> >> > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 7:04 AM, Nicolas Silva
> >> > >  wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >> Anyone interested in implementing WebAudio and/or WebRTC (in
> >> > >> Gecko there's some overlap in the underlying infrastructure)
> >> > >> should first spend some time discussing the architecture with
> >> > >> Paul Adenot (look for padenot on irc). Having a competitive or
> >> > >> even just decent WebAudio implementation is more complex than it
> >> > >> looks, and Gecko's implementation had to go through massive
> >> > >> rewrites before it got to a satisfying place. According to Paul
> >> > >> it's not the kind of architecture one gets right the first time
> >> > >> without some serious experience in audio engines. That said, it
> >> > >> would be great to have a WebAudio implementation in rust, and I
> >> > >> am sure the rust gamedev community would be thrilled to have
> >> > >> something like this!
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > > Right.
> >> > >
> >> > > You'd really want to study the architecture of Gecko's
> >> > > implementation and understand why it is the way it is before
> >> > > attempting this. You'd also want to understand the architectural
> >> > > changes we're still planning to make. Paul and I can help with
> >> > > this.
> >> > >
> >> > > In Gecko MediaStreams and WebAudio are integrated into a single
> >> > > real-time media graph (well, multiple graphs, one per logical
> >> > > output channel), which has advantages but means you're designing
> >> > > more than just WebAudio.
> >> > >
> >> > > If we did have a good WebAudio implementation in Servo it's one
> >> > > piece I could imagine sharing with Gecko. But it's a lot of work to
> >> > > get to parity.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > FWIW, the issue ()
> already
> >> > says suggests talking to Paul and you, from the last time this was
> >> > discussed.
> >> >
> >> > HTH
> >> > Ms2ger
> >> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
> >> >
> >> > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJWktEKAAoJEOXgvIL+s8n2cfoH/0JcslWVFJZwjvurKWKRz4sv
> >> > jVWwywdFQ1TGPHIPtMTlmtbeZMkT5Y8CJ2jXY6OYv27JnQtr8JguosDe3rtQiq3x
> >> > ahRaaWTcvfwa6elAvnusLeA24oowSXW94VGixjVW9W5VWqJgi4wN/B1WT4QUvpp7
> >> > vVeT2jFcYQUWLjOOVnFWmvsCeZNUggsN1B6oNwlXTIWpDzXPaippPwlFPOvZUMqc
> >> > kJAU5bsD+XA7686rL2GqGLBKyALcJx4oyEQQOhyt56PubQcR1Zy7Z5t0+oWsoKjt
> >> > Lcimxcx9ts1Z1jqLgaZvWTQwDnEL9zvGX+7PGyw8kgH4P/TGNOXQ31fspA3FULY=
> >> > =fhYA
> >> > -END PGP SIGNATURE-
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[dev-servo] MathML

[Robert O'Callahan]

Don't quote me on this, but Mathjax is moving away from MathML which means
MathML support in browsers is effectively a lost cause at this point. Don't
even think about doing it.

Rob
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Re: [dev-servo] Student Project

[Radu Manole]

Thanks a lot Emily ! And sorry for not being clear.

The projects on the student page disappeared before I could confirm any of
them with my professor. And WebAudio project wasn't suitable for a student
project.

 I would want to work on a project that can show the power of parallelism
in rust, and servo.
For example HTTP 2 seems like an interesting project. Any opinions?
Thank you.


2016-02-22 22:25 GMT+02:00 Emily Dunham :

> Radu,
>
> It's not clear from your emails whether you're volunteering to take on the
> project discussed earlier in the thread, or looking for one of a different
> scope.
>
> You can find a variety of small to medium Servo tasks listed at
> https://starters.servo.org/ and a list of more major projects at
> https://github.com/servo/servo/wiki/Remaining-work .
>
> When asking for help, you'll get better answers if you clarify what task
> you are working on, what you've done so far to attempt the task, and what
> kind of help you need. You can also join us in the #servo channel on
> Mozilla IRC, https://wiki.mozilla.org/IRC .
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 11:57 AM, Radu Manole 
> wrote:
>
> > Hello, can someone help me with this. I would like to start working as
> soon
> > as possible.
> > I am currently trying to solve small tasks for the project.
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> > 2016-01-21 1:10 GMT+02:00 Radu Manole :
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I have talked with my professor about my bachelor degree. The
> complexity
> > > should be that of the 2001 GSoC project Tilt made by Victor Porof,
> > > http://blog.mozilla.com/tilt
> > >
> > > One of my professor student. I am interested in any project that could
> > > help servo project. And to help me advance as an software developer.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > P. S. Sorry for delay. Exams.
> > >
> > > 2016-01-11 20:44 GMT+02:00 Bobby Holley :
> > >
> > >> At least in Gecko, the media stack is somewhat intertwined. I know we
> > were
> > >> planning on lifting at least the media playback pieces from Gecko into
> > >> Servo, so it's worth considering the implications there.
> > >>
> > >> I've also heard it suggested several times that Gecko might be
> > interested
> > >> in building a WebAudio implementation in Rust. So it seems like
> there's
> > >> some collaboration potential there, but only if we think it through
> and
> > >> align resources.
> > >>
> > >> All in all, I think it's probably not suitable for a student project.
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Ms2ger  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > >> > Hash: SHA1
> > >> >
> > >> > On 01/10/2016 09:48 PM, Robert O'Callahan wrote:
> > >> > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 7:04 AM, Nicolas Silva
> > >> > >  wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > >> Anyone interested in implementing WebAudio and/or WebRTC (in
> > >> > >> Gecko there's some overlap in the underlying infrastructure)
> > >> > >> should first spend some time discussing the architecture with
> > >> > >> Paul Adenot (look for padenot on irc). Having a competitive or
> > >> > >> even just decent WebAudio implementation is more complex than it
> > >> > >> looks, and Gecko's implementation had to go through massive
> > >> > >> rewrites before it got to a satisfying place. According to Paul
> > >> > >> it's not the kind of architecture one gets right the first time
> > >> > >> without some serious experience in audio engines. That said, it
> > >> > >> would be great to have a WebAudio implementation in rust, and I
> > >> > >> am sure the rust gamedev community would be thrilled to have
> > >> > >> something like this!
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Right.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > You'd really want to study the architecture of Gecko's
> > >> > > implementation and understand why it is the way it is before
> > >> > > attempting this. You'd also want to understand the architectural
> > >> > > changes we're still planning to make. Paul and I can help with
> > >> > > this.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > In Gecko MediaStreams and WebAudio are integrated into a single
> > >> > > real-time media graph (well, multiple graphs, one per logical
> > >> > > output channel), which has advantages but means you're designing
> > >> > > more than just WebAudio.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > If we did have a good WebAudio implementation in Servo it's one
> > >> > > piece I could imagine sharing with Gecko. But it's a lot of work
> to
> > >> > > get to parity.
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >> > FWIW, the issue ()
> > already
> > >> > says suggests talking to Paul and you, from the last time this was
> > >> > discussed.
> > >> >
> > >> > HTH
> > >> > Ms2ger
> > >> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
> > >> >
> > >> > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJWktEKAAoJEOXgvIL+s8n2cfoH/0JcslWVFJZwjvurKWKRz4sv
> > >> > jVWwywdFQ1TGPHIPtMTlmtbeZMkT5Y8CJ2jXY6OYv27JnQtr8JguosDe3rtQiq3x
> > >> > ahRaaWTcvfwa6elAvnusLeA24oowSXW94VGixjVW9W5VWqJgi4wN/B1WT4QUvpp7
> > >> > vVeT2jFcYQUWLjOOVnFWmvsCeZNUggsN1B6oNwlXTIWpDzXPaippPwlFPOvZUMqc
> > >> > kJAU5b

Re: [dev-servo] Student Project

[Josh Matthews]

On 2016-02-22 3:52 PM, Radu Manole wrote:

Thanks a lot Emily ! And sorry for not being clear.

The projects on the student page disappeared before I could confirm any of
them with my professor. And WebAudio project wasn't suitable for a student
project.

  I would want to work on a project that can show the power of parallelism
in rust, and servo.
For example HTTP 2 seems like an interesting project. Any opinions?
Thank you.


HTTP/2 support was added to hyper last year, unfortunately.

Cheers,
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Re: [dev-servo] Student Project

[Radu Manole]

I see, thank you.
Any suggestions then?

On Monday, 22 February 2016, Josh Matthews  wrote:

> On 2016-02-22 3:52 PM, Radu Manole wrote:
>
>> Thanks a lot Emily ! And sorry for not being clear.
>>
>> The projects on the student page disappeared before I could confirm any of
>> them with my professor. And WebAudio project wasn't suitable for a student
>> project.
>>
>>   I would want to work on a project that can show the power of parallelism
>> in rust, and servo.
>> For example HTTP 2 seems like an interesting project. Any opinions?
>> Thank you.
>>
>
> HTTP/2 support was added to hyper last year, unfortunately.
>
> Cheers,
> Josh
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Re: [dev-servo] Student Project

[Emily Dunham]

Radu,

I'd suggest looking at  https://starters.servo.org/ and
https://github.com/servo/servo/wiki/Remaining-work to see whether any of
the tasks that we've already identified as needing contributors look like a
good fit for your skills, interests, and timeline.

If none of those tasks seem appropriate, it would be helpful to explain a
bit about why you couldn't find a task using the existing resources when
asking for personal recommendations of what to do. Are the existing tasks
too advanced or too simple for your level of knowledge? Do the sites make
it hard to find or understand tasks?

On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Radu Manole 
wrote:

> I see, thank you.
> Any suggestions then?
>
> On Monday, 22 February 2016, Josh Matthews  wrote:
>
> > On 2016-02-22 3:52 PM, Radu Manole wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks a lot Emily ! And sorry for not being clear.
> >>
> >> The projects on the student page disappeared before I could confirm any
> of
> >> them with my professor. And WebAudio project wasn't suitable for a
> student
> >> project.
> >>
> >>   I would want to work on a project that can show the power of
> parallelism
> >> in rust, and servo.
> >> For example HTTP 2 seems like an interesting project. Any opinions?
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> >
> > HTTP/2 support was added to hyper last year, unfortunately.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Josh
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Re: [dev-servo] Student Project

[Josh Matthews]

To be fair, the Starters page isn't scoped for the amount of work that 
Radu wants to take on (the original emails mentioned working on a 
project for a professor and linked to the Student-projects wiki page), 
and https://github.com/servo/servo/wiki/Remaining-work isn't very useful 
yet as a reference for potential work for someone who isn't intimately 
familiar with web browser development.


Cheers,
Josh

On 2016-02-22 4:50 PM, Emily Dunham wrote:

Radu,

I'd suggest looking at  https://starters.servo.org/ and
https://github.com/servo/servo/wiki/Remaining-work to see whether any of
the tasks that we've already identified as needing contributors look like a
good fit for your skills, interests, and timeline.

If none of those tasks seem appropriate, it would be helpful to explain a
bit about why you couldn't find a task using the existing resources when
asking for personal recommendations of what to do. Are the existing tasks
too advanced or too simple for your level of knowledge? Do the sites make
it hard to find or understand tasks?

On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Radu Manole 
wrote:


I see, thank you.
Any suggestions then?

On Monday, 22 February 2016, Josh Matthews  wrote:


On 2016-02-22 3:52 PM, Radu Manole wrote:


Thanks a lot Emily ! And sorry for not being clear.

The projects on the student page disappeared before I could confirm any

of

them with my professor. And WebAudio project wasn't suitable for a

student

project.

   I would want to work on a project that can show the power of

parallelism

in rust, and servo.
For example HTTP 2 seems like an interesting project. Any opinions?
Thank you.



HTTP/2 support was added to hyper last year, unfortunately.

Cheers,
Josh
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