Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache Log4j `2.24.0` released

2024-09-08 Thread Ralph Goers
Thanks Piotr. Then you just need to change the announcement template to point 
directly to the Downloads page. Of course, it should also continue to have the 
link to the full web site.

Ralph

> On Sep 8, 2024, at 12:38 AM, Piotr P. Karwasz  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ralph,
> 
> On Sun, 8 Sept 2024 at 00:29, Ralph Goers  wrote:
>> However, I either didn’t look carefully enough or the page changed (more 
>> likely the first than the second) as I did not notice that the downloads 
>> page actually does have the specific links for the artifacts. In my first 
>> look I only saw the link to the Logging Services download page.
> 
> The page changed. As I mentioned in the discussion thread[1], I
> incorporated all your suggestions and added them to RC2.
> 
> Piotr
> 
> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/l3p4dd5kxjx676glplxfhn9849xg9vkv



Re: [ANNOUNCE] Apache Log4j `2.24.0` released

2024-09-08 Thread Volkan Yazıcı
You're right Ralph, my mistake ­– apparently I totally missed that page. I
will update email templates (of 8 repositories! 🥴) accordingly.

On Sun, Sep 8, 2024 at 12:29 AM Ralph Goers 
wrote:

> https://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#release-announcements
>
> Second sentence of the second paragraph.
>
> | "Announcements must contain a link to the relevant download page
> for the source.”
>
> I quoted this I the discussion email during the vote for RC1. Referencing
> the overall web site doesn’t fulfill this requirement.
>
> However, I either didn’t look carefully enough or the page changed (more
> likely the first than the second) as I did not notice that the downloads
> page actually does have the specific links for the artifacts. In my first
> look I only saw the link to the Logging Services download page.
>
> Ralph
>
>
> > On Sep 7, 2024, at 7:03 AM, Volkan Yazıcı 
> wrote:
> >
> > Can you share where “a direct link” requirement for announcements is
> > stated, please? I know of no policy for “announcement emails”. Of the
> pages
> > I know, there is no such requirement:
> >
> > Distribution policy:
> > https://infra.apache.org/release-distribution.html
> > Dist. Creation Process:
> > https://infra.apache.org/release-publishing.html
> >
> > The only “link” related requirement I see is the following:
> >
> > “Website documentation for any Apache product must provide public
> download
> > links where interested parties may obtain current official source
> releases
> > and accompanying cryptographic files.”
> >
> > and we certainly suffice this condition. Website guides users to download
> > artifacts and in the announcement email we share a link to the website.
> > Hence, AFAIC, we comply with the ASF policy. Our release email getting
> > allowed in announce@ also backs this claim up.
> >
> > Op za 7 sep 2024 om 15:20 schreef Ralph Goers <
> ralph.go...@dslextreme.com>
> >
> >> Literally the only requirement for the announcement is that it contains
> a
> >> direct link to where the source archive can be downloaded.
> >>
> >> Personally, I like to contain a synopsis of the release (bug fix, minor
> >> enhancements, etc) with 2 or 3 significant items if there are any and
> then
> >> provide a link to the release notes.
> >>
> >> Ralph
> >>
> >>> On Sep 6, 2024, at 11:49 PM, Piotr P. Karwasz  >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Ralph,
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, 7 Sept 2024 at 07:00, Ralph Goers 
> >> wrote:
> 
>  As I said previously, you should expect this will NOT get moderated
> >> through the ASF announce list.
> >>>
> >>> The e-mail has the same format as the one I sent for 2.23.0[1] and is
> >>> very similar to the one for 3.0.0-alpha1[2].
> >>>
> >>> Looking at other announcement emails, we could probably modify ours by:
> >>>
> >>> * Stripping them of the release notes, except the short intro we write
> >>> manually. The entire list of changes can probably be replaced with a
> >>> link to the release notes.
> >>> * Adding the download and release notes links explicitly.
> >>>
> >>> What do you think?
> >>>
> >>> Piotr
> >>>
> >>> [1] https://lists.apache.org/thread/8fycgpb2k274bc4y8gp1zswy5jpzc2jh
> >>> [2] https://lists.apache.org/thread/z3otp9jr9bpo0r732k02g1mdlfkjb3gm
> >>
> >>
>
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