Re: Updating the Logging Services Logo
On Mon, Jul 22, 2024, at 21:58, Gary Gregory wrote: > I find it peculiar that ALL feathers are now illegal. What about the > feather of a Phoenix? I am very tired of this kind of discussion. Feathers combined with our name are of course always problematic. Everything else is pedantic. There was a giant discussion on why we should work on the bread as my a while back. We can certainly just remove the feathers, there is no harm done. I find it ridiculous that we even discuss this instead of just removing one totally useless image from our front page > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2024, 3:37 PM Christian Grobmeier > wrote: > >> I am only asking to remove native american imagery as the feathers. >> As I was involved in the branding process, I am confident we can remove >> them. >> >> We can update the 1980-style logo after the ASF logo was voted on. >> Until then, we will be compliant almost immediately by dropping the >> feathers. >> >> I didn't expect any negative feedback for removing the feathers, but >> please let me know if anyone is really opposed to it or if it is just a >> general comment >> >> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024, at 12:01, Gary Gregory wrote: >> > That sounds good. >> > >> > I'm not doing the work here but I would imagine that if I did I'd only >> want >> > to do it once ;-) For my time, I'd either strip the images and call it >> > done, or wait for new images. >> > >> > Gary >> > >> > On Sat, Jul 20, 2024, 1:45 AM Dominik Psenner >> wrote: >> > >> >> The blog post mentions the 7 oct 2024 as the deadline to be compliant. >> This >> >> coincides with the day when the new marketing guidelines are unveiled. >> It >> >> is probably impossible to implement this within hours. Therefore I >> propose >> >> to ask Marketing for assistance/guiding/new marketing material right >> now in >> >> the light of the upcoming deadline. It will take some time anyway until >> we >> >> receive a feedback, maybe even several feedback loops. With this action >> we >> >> can be well ahead of any upcoming deadline and do not have to rush for >> any >> >> changes. And we may even be able to evaluate whether we want to remove >> OR >> >> replace existing images. Primarily to avoid breaking links, but >> ultimately >> >> also updating marketing material in a retrospective. >> >> >> >> On Fri, 19 Jul 2024, 21:41 Gary Gregory, >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > I think this is a bad idea because it is putting the cart before the >> >> horse >> >> > as we say in English. Let Apache come up with our new branding and >> then >> >> use >> >> > that. It seems all feathers of any kind are not allowed? >> >> > >> >> > Gary >> >> > >> >> > On Fri, Jul 19, 2024, 2:15 PM Christian Grobmeier < >> grobme...@apache.org> >> >> > wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > Hello, >> >> > > >> >> > > following this blog post: >> >> > > https://news.apache.org/foundation/entry/evolving-the-asf-brand >> >> > > >> >> > > I would like to propose to remove all feathers as here: >> >> > > https://logging.apache.org/ >> >> > > https://logging.apache.org/log4j/2.x/images/ls-logo.jpg >> >> > > >> >> > > And all sub-websites with simlar images. >> >> > > >> >> > > I would like to move on with this now, since it will take quite a >> while >> >> > to >> >> > > complete it anyway. >> >> > > >> >> > > Thoughts? >> >> > > >> >> > > Kind regards, >> >> > > Christian >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> >>
Re: Updating the Logging Services Logo
On Tue, Jul 23, 2024, at 08:23, Ralph Goers wrote: > What am I missing here? In looking at all the project sites none of > our logos have a feather in them. Once the ASF provides a replacement > logo we can simply replace it. I am talking about the feathers on the front page. Not necessary the logo > Why are we talking about new logos? FWIW none of our projects existed > in the 1980s so I don’t know where that comment came from. I believe it > was Gary who won the contest for that 10 or so years ago. I still like > it. The log 4j 2 logo was done by Murat. It is nothing to do wir approbation and does not need any change. Again, I want to remove feathers. > Ralph > >> On Jul 22, 2024, at 12:58 PM, Gary Gregory wrote: >> >> I find it peculiar that ALL feathers are now illegal. What about the >> feather of a Phoenix? >> >> On Mon, Jul 22, 2024, 3:37 PM Christian Grobmeier >> wrote: >> >>> I am only asking to remove native american imagery as the feathers. >>> As I was involved in the branding process, I am confident we can remove >>> them. >>> >>> We can update the 1980-style logo after the ASF logo was voted on. >>> Until then, we will be compliant almost immediately by dropping the >>> feathers. >>> >>> I didn't expect any negative feedback for removing the feathers, but >>> please let me know if anyone is really opposed to it or if it is just a >>> general comment >>> >>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024, at 12:01, Gary Gregory wrote: That sounds good. I'm not doing the work here but I would imagine that if I did I'd only >>> want to do it once ;-) For my time, I'd either strip the images and call it done, or wait for new images. Gary On Sat, Jul 20, 2024, 1:45 AM Dominik Psenner >>> wrote: > The blog post mentions the 7 oct 2024 as the deadline to be compliant. >>> This > coincides with the day when the new marketing guidelines are unveiled. >>> It > is probably impossible to implement this within hours. Therefore I >>> propose > to ask Marketing for assistance/guiding/new marketing material right >>> now in > the light of the upcoming deadline. It will take some time anyway until >>> we > receive a feedback, maybe even several feedback loops. With this action >>> we > can be well ahead of any upcoming deadline and do not have to rush for >>> any > changes. And we may even be able to evaluate whether we want to remove >>> OR > replace existing images. Primarily to avoid breaking links, but >>> ultimately > also updating marketing material in a retrospective. > > On Fri, 19 Jul 2024, 21:41 Gary Gregory, >>> wrote: > >> I think this is a bad idea because it is putting the cart before the > horse >> as we say in English. Let Apache come up with our new branding and >>> then > use >> that. It seems all feathers of any kind are not allowed? >> >> Gary >> >> On Fri, Jul 19, 2024, 2:15 PM Christian Grobmeier < >>> grobme...@apache.org> >> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> following this blog post: >>> https://news.apache.org/foundation/entry/evolving-the-asf-brand >>> >>> I would like to propose to remove all feathers as here: >>> https://logging.apache.org/ >>> https://logging.apache.org/log4j/2.x/images/ls-logo.jpg >>> >>> And all sub-websites with simlar images. >>> >>> I would like to move on with this now, since it will take quite a >>> while >> to >>> complete it anyway. >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> Christian >>> >> > >>>
Re: Updating the Logging Services Logo
On Tue, Jul 23, 2024, at 13:39, Gary Gregory wrote: > Don't create and use a new Apache logo without Apache marketing involved > (or whichever part of Aapche is doing this). > We didn’t involve marketing before. Why skittle we involve anyone by just removing the feather from the main site? This is ridiculous > Gary > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2024, 4:01 AM Piotr P. Karwasz > wrote: > >> Hi Ralph, >> >> On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 at 08:25, Ralph Goers >> wrote: >> > >> > What am I missing here? In looking at all the project sites none of our >> logos have a feather in them. Once the ASF provides a replacement logo we >> can simply replace it. >> >> The "Logging Services" image has a feather: >> https://logging.apache.org/log4j/2.x/ >> >> We can remove it for now and add the Apache Logo later or I can talk >> with my designer if he can create a new logo for us. >> >> Piotr >>
Re: Updating the Logging Services Logo
On Tue, Jul 23, 2024, at 14:20, Gary Gregory wrote: > Hi. My view is do nothing until we get a new official logo. You don't want > to create any branding confusion IMO. There is no confusion by removing a feather. Come on, seriously not. One of the feathers is stands alone. It feels like „I don’t want this change because because. Don’t move, it will go away.“ Sorry, but I don’t get the problem here. Please take a look at logging.a.o and tell me exactly what will confuse you when the two feathers are gone. > > Gary > > On Tue, Jul 23, 2024, 8:00 AM Piotr P. Karwasz > wrote: > >> Hi Gary, >> >> On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 at 13:41, Gary Gregory wrote: >> > >> > Don't create and use a new Apache logo without Apache marketing involved >> > (or whichever part of Aapche is doing this). >> >> Sorry, I meant Apache Logging Services logo. >> >> Piotr >>
