Re: New board report wizard, feedback welcome!
I used it - on a trial basis - for the generation of the Trafodion quarterly report for upcoming board meeting, and found it quit cumbersome. While adding content to it I found the screen/section constantly repositioning itself to the top of the content, which was quite annoying. On the other hand, I found the recap of the metrics in the reporter tool quite handy. Unfortunately, the basis from where it was derived (the 'see full metrics (new tab)' link/page) did not show all metrics. Especially the mailing list trends showed only what someone else seems to be regarding as important. Regarding this, the PMC of a project is the only party who can determine what is important to report (or not), and it would be therefore better that metrics of all mailing lists are shown. Also, as the reporting period is defined (from the first day of the first month of the reporting period to the last day of the last month of the reporting period), I would be more accurate if the metrics page would reflect that. Now it shows datapoint derived from the page refresh date, which may lead to skewed (and difficult to compare) results. An improvement would be that the tool would generate the metrics on shortly (within hours) after the end of the reporting period automatically and store those results for future use. Best regards, Pierre Smits *Apache Trafodion <https://trafodion.apache.org>, Vice President* *Apache Directory <https://directory.apache.org>, PMC Member* Apache Incubator <https://incubator.apache.org>, committer *Apache OFBiz <https://ofbiz.apache.org>, contributor (without privileges) since 2008* Apache Steve <https://steve.apache.org>, committer On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 12:06 AM Jordan Zimmerman wrote: > I just used it for the first time for Curator. I'm sorry to say that this > is a big step backwards for me. The previous reporter was so much easier to > use. I could enter the sections as needed, reflow easily and then copy to > Whimsy. The new icons and editor were very confusing for me. Also, there > was no way to reflow that I could find (other than to purposely exceed a > line length). I'd prefer to copy to Whimsy myself and post when it's > complete. > > My 0.02 > > -Jordan > > > On Aug 1, 2019, at 7:19 AM, Patricia Shanahan wrote: > > > > I've tried out the tool. I can see it being useful for some projects, > and should be available as a choice. > > > > However, I would not use it as it is, and hope the existing reporter > gets upgraded, not replaced by the wizard. I much prefer to view the whole > report as a unit, not just as a series of separate pieces. > > > > If it is to become the main way of editing reports it really needs an > option to view and edit a draft with one or two clicks, not clicking > through all the windows. > > > > It would be better to present the help text for each window in a > separate text area, so that it can remain visible after there is actual > content. > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > >
Re: T-DOSE conference Netherlands presence
Marting, Thanks for bringing to the attention of this forum. Do you know when the deadline is for submission of presentations? Anyway, when I can fit it in my schedule, I hope to be able to attend, and meet up with you and other fellow Apache (project) community members. Are other project contributors from The Netherlands (or Belgium) considering to submit a presentation? If so, we could explore whether to create a greater presence. Best regards, Pierre Smits *Apache Trafodion <https://trafodion.apache.org>, Vice President* *Apache Directory <https://directory.apache.org>, PMC Member* Apache Incubator <https://incubator.apache.org>, committer *Apache OFBiz <https://ofbiz.apache.org>, contributor (without privileges) since 2008* Apache Steve <https://steve.apache.org>, committer On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 2:30 PM Martin van den Bemt wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Openoffice is normally present at the t-dose conference in the > Netherlands. (https://t-dose.org/, see https://t-dose.org/projects). > "T-DOSE is a free and yearly event held in The Netherlands to promote > use and development of Open Source Software. During this event, Open > Source projects, developers and visitors can exchange ideas and > knowledge." > > It is held on April 25 & 26 and they asked "me" (I was introduced to > them by the Openoffice people) to come too, so we have the whole > foundation represented there. Are there any objections on me going > there ? It's probably best to combine it with the Openoffice project. > I got a box of stickers and will see what more I need and I have > balloons :) I also still have a lot of banners (very good and stable > ones) and it would eg be very cool to have a banner with all project > logos.. (which can easily be reused for other conferences of course). > > Mvgr, > Martin > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > >
Re: /contribute on project sites
+1 Met vriendelijke groet, Pierre Smits *Proud* *contributor** of* Apache OFBiz <https://ofbiz.apache.org/> since 2008 (without privileges) *Apache Trafodion <https://trafodion.apache.org>, Vice President* *Apache Directory <https://directory.apache.org>, PMC Member* Apache Incubator <https://incubator.apache.org>, committer Apache Steve <https://steve.apache.org>, committer On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 12:24 PM Jacques Le Roux < jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote: > +1 for the idea, /contribute name is OK with me > > Jacques > > Le 04/04/2020 à 14:52, Rich Bowen a écrit : > > Hi, folks, > > > > Over the last couple of weeks, I've been tackling the red boxes on > > https://whimsy.apache.org/site/ with patches, and I've noticed > > something. In almost every case, I have to hunt and hunt and hunt to > > figure out 1) where the website source is, 2) where the project source > > code is, and 3) how one is supposed to submit a patch/PR for one or the > > other. > > > > Now, I'm not suggesting any kind of top-down mandate or anything, but I > > was considering writing up a "best practice" kind of thing for > > community.apache.org encouraging projects to have certain standard > > elements on their project sites, so that it's easy for someone (let's be > > honest, this is all about me) to go to a project site and immediately > > know how to get involved. > > > > The first thing that I would like to recommend is that every Apache > > project site have a /contribute page that contains the following > elements: > > > > Where: > > > > Where is the project source code? > > Where is the website source? > > Where is the documentation source (if separate from the above two) > > Where does the discussion happen? (Mailing lists, IRC, Slack, etc) > > > > How: > > > > How should one submit changes (ie, patch to mailing list? PR on Github? > > etc.) > > > > What: > > > > What language(s) are used? > > What framework (if any) is needed to build/test website/documentation > > changes? > > What should people consider working on? (ie, where do you keep your > > tickets/bugs/TODO items?) > > > > Simple. Standard. In a consistent place. So that I don't have to spend > > so much time hunting every time I want to fix a typo on a project site. > > (I'm a big fan of "hackable" URLs, and knowing that I can go to, say > > aardvark.apache.org/contribute and know there will be something useful > > there.) > > > > Thoughts? Is "/contribute" the right thing to call this, or have you > > seen it called something clearer elsewhere? > > > > I'll be starting with "my" projects, so that we can have some > > example/boilerplate to point people to. > > > > (Yes, this is all part of my larger plan to have "best practice" > > documentation that our projects can borrow/steal from. One of the things > > that makes Apache so appealing to users is that they know what to expect > > in terms of license and quality and governance. I'd like to extend that > > to other aspects of our projects, so that there's a consistent(ish) > > experience across projects. But we have to do this by leading, not by > > compelling/requiring, because that's not how we do things.) > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > >
Re: [apache/comdev-site] [Improved] Added ASF logo as the comdev site logo (#69)
There is little wrong with the contribution. Yes, one may question whether where it originated (the PR) is the wrong place. Or whether it should have been raised without the required aspect being in play (the desired mailing list). But classifying it as 'unwanted' at this stage is premature. Nor does it seem appropriate to question the validity of a contribution because the contributor (garcYj-fybgeg-8nebqu) is not list of 'approved' contributors. This contributor can give his +1 via a process the community implemented. Not everybody wants to be known as the privileged would like it to be. Met vriendelijke groet, Pierre Smits *Proud* *contributor** of* Apache OFBiz <https://ofbiz.apache.org/> since 2008 (without privileges) Proud contributor to the ASF since 2006 *Apache Directory <https://directory.apache.org>, PMC Member* On Mon, Jan 3, 2022 at 3:45 AM Zach Hoffman wrote: > Their account was created on 2021-06-06 and their only commit to a > repo was made using a GitHub-anonymized email, so it's hard to know > much about them, but it looks like, back in August, the OpenStreetMap > project deleted a comment from them on an issue > <https://github.com/openstreetmap/operations/issues/537#event-5222598808>, > so this wouldn't be their first time making unwanted contributions. > > -Zach > > On Sun, Jan 2, 2022 at 5:53 AM Shane Curcuru wrote: > > > > Who is garcYj-fybgeg-8nebqu on GitHub? I just got three GitHub (not > > GitBox) notifications about comdev-site, which seems odd since this > > GitHub user doesn't seem to be associated with the Apache organization. > > > > In particular, this change doesn't seem to make sense, since there isn't > > (yet?) a notifications@ list: > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/comdev-site/pull/64/files/0c7c1a35611f8f7d2e4ad4d7aa28d2a4f4e9dfca > > > > -- > > - Shane > >ComDev PMC > >The Apache Software Foundation > > > > > > Forwarded Message > > Subject:Re: [apache/comdev-site] [Improved] Added ASF logo as the > > comdev site logo (#69) > > Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2022 03:22:49 -0800 > > From: garcYj-fybgeg-8nebqu > > Reply-To: apache/comdev-site > > > > To: apache/comdev-site > > CC: Subscribed > > > > > > > > *@garcYj-fybgeg-8nebqu* approved this pull request. > > > > — > > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub > > < > https://github.com/apache/comdev-site/pull/69#pullrequestreview-842332397 > >, > > or unsubscribe > > < > https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AANPCMOOGA3NZVUUD2PIKP3UT3PYTANCNFSM5EVNQDSQ > >. > > Triage notifications on the go with GitHub Mobile for iOS > > < > https://apps.apple.com/app/apple-store/id1477376905?ct=notification-email&mt=8&pt=524675 > > > > or Android > > < > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.github.android&referrer=utm_campaign%3Dnotification-email%26utm_medium%3Demail%26utm_source%3Dgithub > >. > > > > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.Message > > ID: > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > >
Re: Community Track at ApacheCon Europe?
Hi all, I might not be that much versed in Apache terminology, but what is a 'community track'? And what are/is the definition of the other kind? Please help me understand? Regards, Pierre 2012/7/16 Nick Burch > Hi All > > I'm currently in the process of putting the proposed tracks for ApacheCon > Europe into the website, and I noticed we don't currently have a community > track proposed. I've really enjoyed past community tracks, and learnt a lot > from them, so I think it'd be great if we could do one again. > > Is anyone able to volunteer to act as a track chair for the community > track, so we can add it to the list? There's info on the apachecon-discuss > list about what this role entails, but it isn't too much work. Any takers? > > Thanks > Nick >
Re: Community Track at ApacheCon Europe?
Hi Nick, If we explain it as not being project specific but as elaborating on the dynamics of OS communities in general and of Apache communities in particular, then I understand it. Regards, Pierre 2012/7/16 Nick Burch > On Mon, 16 Jul 2012, Pierre Smits wrote: > >> I might not be that much versed in Apache terminology, but what is a >> 'community track'? And what are/is the definition of the other kind? >> > > Perhaps the best way to explain it is through the talks this track has > hosted in the past. Over the past few years, we've had: > * > http://na11.apachecon.com/**talk/by_track/1401<http://na11.apachecon.com/talk/by_track/1401> > * > http://archive.apachecon.com/**c/acna2010/schedule/grid<http://archive.apachecon.com/c/acna2010/schedule/grid>(scroll > to > Thursday, Room 4) > * > http://archive.apachecon.com/**c/acus2009/schedule/grid<http://archive.apachecon.com/c/acus2009/schedule/grid>(scroll > to > Thursday, Track 1) > > Does that give you some idea of what we normally put include? > > Nick >
Re: Open Source Organizational Culture
Hi all, This is a good initiative to do regularly (e.g. yearly or bi-yearly), and it should be sponsored/guided by this project/community. It could/will help the ASF (specifically those involved in community building) to pinpoint which projects operate successfully (in the spirit of the Apache Foundation) and which should be offered assistance to improve. But it should be communicated to all within all projects. Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Sat, May 3, 2014 at 8:12 AM, Storm-Olsen, Marius < marius.storm-ol...@student.bi.no> wrote: > On 5/2/2014 3:21 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > > On 22/04/2014 Storm-Olsen, Marius wrote: > >> As part of the research into a thesis on Open Source Organizational > >> Culture, I want to send out a short survey to the Apache organization. > >> However, given that the Apache community is so large, with numerous > >> individual projects under its umbrella, I wanted to check with the > >> community list first; both to seek explicit permission for doing so, and > >> to figure out what would be the best way to send out such a survey > >> without "spamming" the community. ... http://bit.ly/OSOCAS2014 > > > ... > > I believe that, for once, we have a survey that can be useful to the > > projects and not only to the student. We can even check with numbers > > whether our "Community over code" mantra is really perceived as such by > > contributors and whether it is considered an indicator for future > success. > > > > Please extend your deadline by two weeks, send the survey link to > > d...@openoffice.apache.org and I'll endorse your request. I encourage > > others to take your survey too (link above) and to consider advertising > > the survey on the dev lists of other projects if they find it equally > > interesting. > > Hi Andrea, > > Thank you for getting back to me, I appreciate your time and effort. > > I will extend the deadline until May 15th, and send the request to the > OpenOffice Dev list ASAP. > > > Sincerely, > Marius Storm-Olsen > >
Re: ComDev scope and lists
For sure, onboarding of newcomers is important. Same goes for committer relations. But how about contributor relations, mediation and such? Regards, Pierre Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Brett Porter wrote: > Hi ComDev PMC and other interested folks, > > From time to time, I hear someone suggest ComDev or its lists as a > potential target for a foundation-wide activity that affects current > committers. However, I've always thought of ComDev as being focused on > "those that are not here yet", rather than those that are - as the monthly > report starts, "The Community Development PMC is responsible for helping > people become involved with Apache projects." > > Some roughly related discussion was held in in April 2013 [1] at Ross' > initiation. However, it's not clear to me whether there was any decision > taken in the end. If I look over the archives since, it's related to > mentoring, GSoC, small events and ApacheCon, with one exception being a > large release cadence discussion - which seems to confirm my expectation. > The current composition of the PMC also seems to reflect people with that > sort of expertise. > > Possibly it's just my personal bugbear, but my concern with sending > traffic to a list that doesn't feel empowered to act on it is that it often > ends up in discussion with very little decision making. > > In addition to this list, ComDev stewards commun...@apache.org, but that > is much less frequently used now. > > I feel like the ASF is seeing a pattern where we need something like > "committer relations", that can focus on providing resources and assistance > to any committer, while not interfering with individual project boundaries. > I'm willing to take up that initiative with others interested - but also > quite happy to acknowledge it might be more overhead than value if existing > groups can address that need. The first thing I wanted to do was clarify > whether ComDev already feels like it has this responsibility in whole or > part. > > So, my questions are: > - have I read ComDev's scope correctly, or should it be expanded to > include resources for current committers? > - regardless of scope, how does the PMC feel about its lists being used to > reach out to committers for discussion or updates? > - what does the PMC see as the current purpose of commun...@apache.org vs > this list? > > Thanks for indulging me :) > > Cheers, > Brett > > [1] > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/community-dev/201304.mbox/%3CCAKQbXgDL55M9sBXigm8Wmwgk7K0hVGtWEOrCTVWfQ9EgthG%2B3A%40mail.gmail.com%3E
Re: ApacheCon EU CFP Review - Help needed
I am happy to assist in the review. My id is: PierreSmits Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > The ApacheCon EU CFP closes in a week, as you know. We need your help > reviewing the talks that have been submitted. Those of you who helped with > Denver are already on the list, but if there are other people that want to > be involved in reviewing the content and selecting the schedule for ACEU, > please let me know, and I'll get you added to the auth list. > > You can start reviewing any time by going to > http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/cfp-list?field_ > presentation_event_target_id%5B%5D=2260 and wading in. > > I don't yet know how many tracks we'll end up with - it depends on what > talks come in over the next week. I don't expect we'll do as many tracks as > we did in Denver, though. > > Thanks. > > --Rich > > -- > Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen > http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon > >
Re: ApacheCon EU CFP Review - Help needed
Rich, Thanks for adding me. Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Pierre Smits wrote: > I am happy to assist in the review. > > My id is: PierreSmits > > Regards, > > Pierre Smits > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > Based Manufacturing, Professional > Services and Retail & Trade > http://www.orrtiz.com > > > On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > >> The ApacheCon EU CFP closes in a week, as you know. We need your help >> reviewing the talks that have been submitted. Those of you who helped with >> Denver are already on the list, but if there are other people that want to >> be involved in reviewing the content and selecting the schedule for ACEU, >> please let me know, and I'll get you added to the auth list. >> >> You can start reviewing any time by going to >> http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/cfp-list?field_ >> presentation_event_target_id%5B%5D=2260 and wading in. >> >> I don't yet know how many tracks we'll end up with - it depends on what >> talks come in over the next week. I don't expect we'll do as many tracks as >> we did in Denver, though. >> >> Thanks. >> >> --Rich >> >> -- >> Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen >> http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon >> >> >
Apachecon EU 2014
Hi Rich, Could you give us an update on the time table for Apachecon EU 2014? Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com
Re: ApacheCon CFP closed, now the hard work starts
Rich, Doesn't the number of talks per day or even track also depend on the duration of each talk? What is the goal (duration wise)? I have about 10 OFBiz talks lined up, but don't have a clue yet about how long each is intended to be. Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Jan Willem Janssen < janwillem.jans...@luminis.eu> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 26/06/14 15:47, Rich Bowen wrote: > > For those of you who have agreed to participate in filtering and > > selecting talks for Apachecon EU, the time has arrived. > > I already started reviewing a couple, but the CFP system has the > tendency to lose my filter settings after each review :( Is there a > way we can ping the nice folks at LF on fixing this? It would really > make my reviewing experience a lot easier... > > - -- > Met vriendelijke groeten | Kind regards > > Jan Willem Janssen | Software Architect > +31 631 765 814 > > /My world is revolving around PulseOn and Amdatu/ > > Luminis Technologies B.V. > J.C. Wilslaan 29 > 7313 HK Apeldoorn > +31 88 586 46 30 > > http://www.luminis-technologies.com > http://www.luminis.eu > > KvK (CoC) 09 16 28 93 > BTW (VAT) NL8169.78.566.B.01 > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) > Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJTrCuXAAoJEKF/mP2eHDc405sP+wXAUk+MWv04hjIFsqqQOK4I > TeZhS73qsl8+ceksajJgXgOFnH5uNNW3w/Gk7ZZEvwmBV0vYS+enn4Dc4dYnuY4h > +T9Kwsy5NyVc3/zuBaVJX2Ig9n6/M+2t4JjXP7tizyLd+anCuJPu3HslmhwPZ8Pr > rpep0dNRivkqhqyK7wr/7bQRinN2FHfcIX/J27FTf6P8Mq67WV4ssrTU3fxJEtRf > KrCmRutU6W+3cWGdCyWGHIjs9FIYQyCgkmBrbh0fOSmt5Wi44DFHQe+2e/aDiIF3 > IaYVQxjFLGgXWmFj9Zo8yzXQrEQLl/t2KygRM2yU3QzC6AHEw0SB2nOju0YFRuLr > d21h3wEnxFMfmkv8urJkDpBGstu9RoHUS/tA3XMSFk4wvqX5QOEUptZY4gRsl/S+ > /q+37OJRDv8Eawgr+YD52YoLOAqEIdHh8z/kBE5cQRMlD4rL/mpktHEzZKQ7nvN8 > bH2fDSO9SBInLXpQzTLnxMuWjLuQpZkGwtV/u8B2BWGZHzp4jy/DT4CK5Vd4EtlU > 4gAPb4o8xTfcKKz1eMPJpz5CrNU+46iX6NrkTVwiayOjCvW1YpLYYe8X3NVAjWc5 > dNKzCMI71AX8BRX3sBoiulPwZqledivJhrUZfyCFBk2sLxyxb6L55r045PyEJAMG > DCpZRkfZ4MLKBVjRsujM > =j7OG > -END PGP SIGNATURE- >
Re: ApacheCon CFP closed, now the hard work starts
Rich, Thanks, I will confer with the submitters to see where stuff can be combined. Regards, Pierre Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 5:18 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > On 06/26/2014 10:20 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: > >> Rich, >> >> Doesn't the number of talks per day or even track also depend on the >> duration of each talk? >> >> What is the goal (duration wise)? I have about 10 OFBiz talks lined up, >> but >> don't have a clue yet about how long each is intended to be. >> > > > The assumption is 50-minute talks, which gives a 6 hour day, plus breaks > and lunch. > > Some tracks (eg, Fast Feather) do different talk lengths, and we're open > to that if you want to discuss a different track format. Just let me know > soonish. > > --Rich > > > >> Regards, >> >> >> Pierre Smits >> >> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >> >> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >> Based Manufacturing, Professional >> Services and Retail & Trade >> http://www.orrtiz.com >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 4:17 PM, Jan Willem Janssen < >> janwillem.jans...@luminis.eu> wrote: >> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >>> Hash: SHA1 >>> >>> On 26/06/14 15:47, Rich Bowen wrote: >>> >>>> For those of you who have agreed to participate in filtering and >>>> selecting talks for Apachecon EU, the time has arrived. >>>> >>> I already started reviewing a couple, but the CFP system has the >>> tendency to lose my filter settings after each review :( Is there a >>> way we can ping the nice folks at LF on fixing this? It would really >>> make my reviewing experience a lot easier... >>> >>> - -- >>> Met vriendelijke groeten | Kind regards >>> >>> Jan Willem Janssen | Software Architect >>> +31 631 765 814 >>> >>> /My world is revolving around PulseOn and Amdatu/ >>> >>> Luminis Technologies B.V. >>> J.C. Wilslaan 29 >>> 7313 HK Apeldoorn >>> +31 88 586 46 30 >>> >>> http://www.luminis-technologies.com >>> http://www.luminis.eu >>> >>> KvK (CoC) 09 16 28 93 >>> BTW (VAT) NL8169.78.566.B.01 >>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- >>> Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) >>> Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org >>> Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ >>> >>> iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJTrCuXAAoJEKF/mP2eHDc405sP+wXAUk+MWv04hjIFsqqQOK4I >>> TeZhS73qsl8+ceksajJgXgOFnH5uNNW3w/Gk7ZZEvwmBV0vYS+enn4Dc4dYnuY4h >>> +T9Kwsy5NyVc3/zuBaVJX2Ig9n6/M+2t4JjXP7tizyLd+anCuJPu3HslmhwPZ8Pr >>> rpep0dNRivkqhqyK7wr/7bQRinN2FHfcIX/J27FTf6P8Mq67WV4ssrTU3fxJEtRf >>> KrCmRutU6W+3cWGdCyWGHIjs9FIYQyCgkmBrbh0fOSmt5Wi44DFHQe+2e/aDiIF3 >>> IaYVQxjFLGgXWmFj9Zo8yzXQrEQLl/t2KygRM2yU3QzC6AHEw0SB2nOju0YFRuLr >>> d21h3wEnxFMfmkv8urJkDpBGstu9RoHUS/tA3XMSFk4wvqX5QOEUptZY4gRsl/S+ >>> /q+37OJRDv8Eawgr+YD52YoLOAqEIdHh8z/kBE5cQRMlD4rL/mpktHEzZKQ7nvN8 >>> bH2fDSO9SBInLXpQzTLnxMuWjLuQpZkGwtV/u8B2BWGZHzp4jy/DT4CK5Vd4EtlU >>> 4gAPb4o8xTfcKKz1eMPJpz5CrNU+46iX6NrkTVwiayOjCvW1YpLYYe8X3NVAjWc5 >>> dNKzCMI71AX8BRX3sBoiulPwZqledivJhrUZfyCFBk2sLxyxb6L55r045PyEJAMG >>> DCpZRkfZ4MLKBVjRsujM >>> =j7OG >>> -END PGP SIGNATURE- >>> >>> > -- > Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen > http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon > >
Re: Apachecon EU 2014
Rich, So by July 15th submissions should be reviewed and pruned to a manageable quantity? Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > On 06/26/2014 04:30 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: > >> Hi Rich, >> >> Could you give us an update on the time table for Apachecon EU 2014? >> > > The timetable is: > > CFP Open: April 9, 2014 > CFP Close: June 25, 2014 > CFP Notifications: July 15, 2014 > Schedule Announced: July 28, 2014 > Event Dates: November 17-21, 2014 > > If you're looking for more detail than that, please let me know what > exactly it is that you're asking. > > --Rich > > -- > Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen > http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon > >
Re: ApacheCon CFP closed, now the hard work starts
Rich, Including a column that shows the main project involved might also help. Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 5:23 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > On 06/26/2014 10:20 AM, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On 06/26/2014 09:17 AM, Jan Willem Janssen wrote: >> >>> I already started reviewing a couple, but the CFP system has the >>> tendency to lose my filter settings after each review :( Is there >>> a way we can ping the nice folks at LF on fixing this? It would >>> really make my reviewing experience a lot easier... >>> >> Last time I reviewed something in the LF's CfP system, they said it >> was OK to just download the CSV file and work through it in a >> spreadsheet. >> >> I too find the system a bit cumbersome, though the CSV is only >> marginally less so. >> >> If it's OK with C. this time around, you could do that instead. >> > > I've got a spreadsheet at https://docs.google.com/a/ > rcbowen.com/spreadsheets/d/1NSFxoGYkzpkorJkRN7CNnZpsaO59q > ro3L5YjeTBVSZE/edit#gid=0 where I'll be attempting to break stuff up into > tracks. What we did last time was that - we had a spreadsheet, we divided > it into topics, and went through and marked stuff accepted or rejected > based on CFP ratings. I've just started that process, and don't expect to > get anything done today or tomorrow, but if we work together on the "split > into tracks" bit, then there's much less for folks to review - you just > review the topics that you know something about. Sound reasonable? > > --Rich > > -- > Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen > http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon > >
Re: Apachecon EU 2014
Rich, Is there a methodology to measure the success of the event, like counting the number of attendees per session and or surveying the attendees regarding appreciation of the session/event after each session and/or event? Regards, Pierre Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > On 06/26/2014 11:23 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: > >> Rich, >> >> So by July 15th submissions should be reviewed and pruned to a manageable >> quantity? >> > > Yes, that's the goal right now. This hopefully gives a reasonable time > window to get managers to approve conference travel based on the schedule, > rather than on "I'm going to ApacheCon", and also makes it a lot easier to > get sponsors for the event. > > --Rich > > > >> Regards, >> >> Pierre Smits >> >> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >> >> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >> Based Manufacturing, Professional >> Services and Retail & Trade >> http://www.orrtiz.com >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 5:19 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: >> >> On 06/26/2014 04:30 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: >>> >>> Hi Rich, >>>> >>>> Could you give us an update on the time table for Apachecon EU 2014? >>>> >>>> The timetable is: >>> >>> CFP Open: April 9, 2014 >>> CFP Close: June 25, 2014 >>> CFP Notifications: July 15, 2014 >>> Schedule Announced: July 28, 2014 >>> Event Dates: November 17-21, 2014 >>> >>> If you're looking for more detail than that, please let me know what >>> exactly it is that you're asking. >>> >>> --Rich >>> >>> -- >>> Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen >>> http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon >>> >>> >>> > -- > Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen > http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon > >
Proposing for Apache Member?
Hi All, Is it possible that contributors of a project can propose a community member to be elected as an Apache Member? Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com
Re: Proposing for Apache Member?
HI Rob, Thank you for your prompt reply. How would a ASF member become aware of potentials, if it weren't brought to their attention by others? Should they read-up on every mailing list available to establish such awareness for themselves? I don't regard such as feasible. I would say that bringing potentials to the awareness of ASF Members is acceptable behaviour for anyone who has the Apache Way in his/her heart. Like you could have guessed, I am not a member. Therefore, I don't have a say in what the by-laws of the ASF must be. But, in the spirit of community development - and the ASF is a community) we could set up a discussion whether or not article 4.1 should be extended in such a way that nominations by others (than members) can be submitted, and whether or not such nominations should be accompanied by a notice of sponsorship by an existing ASF Member. Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:41 AM, Rob Vesse wrote: > Pierre > > Not unless one/more of those contributors is themselves a Member/Officer > of the ASF - see Sectopn 4.1 of the Bylaws > (http://apache.org/foundation/bylaws.html#4.1) which states the following: > > To be eligible for membership, a person or entity must be nominated by a > current member of the corporation and must complete a written membership > application in such form as shall be adopted by the Board of Directors > from time to time > > > Therefore contributors of a project can't directly, I guess they could > talk to ASF members they know and suggest that person with the aim of > getting a nomination but not being a member myself I'm not sure if that > would be acceptable behaviour. Ultimately ASF is a meritocracy and my > personal impression based on people who I know of who've become members in > the past couple of years is that to become a member you need to be active > across the foundation (not just within a small part of it) for a prolonged > period. > > One thing worth asking is why the community you are involved in feels the > need to have someone be elected as a Member? > > Rob > > On 08/07/2014 09:43, "Pierre Smits" wrote: > > >Hi All, > > > >Is it possible that contributors of a project can propose a community > >member to be elected as an Apache Member? > > > >Regards, > > > >Pierre Smits > > > >*ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > >Services & Solutions for Cloud- > >Based Manufacturing, Professional > >Services and Retail & Trade > >http://www.orrtiz.com > > > > >
Re: Proposing for Apache Member?
Hi all, Thanks for sharing your insights and viewpoints. @Brane: google for the synonym of nominate, and you'll find that you can interchange nominate for propose and vice versa. @Ross: Indeed bringing a potential to the awareness of ASF community by mailing to priv...@community.apache.org is a good way, when not approaching existing ASF Members directly. Directly proposing such potentials in a public mailing list, such as this, should not be regarded as advisable with respect to following due process, and/or respecting the privacy of others. Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com
Re: Proposing for Apache Member?
All, Taking into consideration that nominate and propose - in general and in this context - mean the same and that any contributor can propose potentials for ASF Membership, shouldn't the by-laws of the Foundation reflect this? Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > Yes, of course a community member can propose a member. As Rob says, the > nomination and election has to be done by the Members, but not all projects > have existing members acting as the eyes and ears. > > Of course, not having members in a project community shouldn't impact the > project since it is self-managing and membership is only a foundational > level thing. Nevertheless, the membership needs to be a good cross-section > of our project communities. > > If a community member feels someone is being overlooked a mail to > priv...@community.apache.org will reach people who can add notes to the > member watch list. > > This is the right list for discussing what we look for in members. > > Sent from my phone - please forgive brevity and typos > > -Original Message- > From: "Rob Vesse" > Sent: 7/8/2014 10:42 > To: "dev@community.apache.org" > Subject: Re: Proposing for Apache Member? > > Pierre > > Not unless one/more of those contributors is themselves a Member/Officer > of the ASF - see Sectopn 4.1 of the Bylaws > (http://apache.org/foundation/bylaws.html#4.1) which states the following: > > To be eligible for membership, a person or entity must be nominated by a > current member of the corporation and must complete a written membership > application in such form as shall be adopted by the Board of Directors > from time to time > > > Therefore contributors of a project can't directly, I guess they could > talk to ASF members they know and suggest that person with the aim of > getting a nomination but not being a member myself I'm not sure if that > would be acceptable behaviour. Ultimately ASF is a meritocracy and my > personal impression based on people who I know of who've become members in > the past couple of years is that to become a member you need to be active > across the foundation (not just within a small part of it) for a prolonged > period. > > One thing worth asking is why the community you are involved in feels the > need to have someone be elected as a Member? > > Rob > > On 08/07/2014 09:43, "Pierre Smits" wrote: > > >Hi All, > > > >Is it possible that contributors of a project can propose a community > >member to be elected as an Apache Member? > > > >Regards, > > > >Pierre Smits > > > >*ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > >Services & Solutions for Cloud- > >Based Manufacturing, Professional > >Services and Retail & Trade > >http://www.orrtiz.com > > > > >
Re: Proposing for Apache Member?
Well, you can't deny that I did propose an amendment to the by-laws a posting ago. :-) Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:52 PM, Issac Goldstand wrote: > No, because contributors aren't proposing anything as far as the ASF is > concerned. They're just having a discussion. > > Until it comes from a member, it's not a nomination or a proposal or > anything other than a discussion. > > Issac > > On 08/07/2014 15:44, Pierre Smits wrote: > > All, > > > > Taking into consideration that nominate and propose - in general and in > > this context - mean the same and that any contributor can propose > > potentials for ASF Membership, shouldn't the by-laws of the Foundation > > reflect this? > > > > Regards, > > > > Pierre Smits > > > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > > Based Manufacturing, Professional > > Services and Retail & Trade > > http://www.orrtiz.com > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Ross Gardler > > > wrote: > > > >> Yes, of course a community member can propose a member. As Rob says, the > >> nomination and election has to be done by the Members, but not all > projects > >> have existing members acting as the eyes and ears. > >> > >> Of course, not having members in a project community shouldn't impact > the > >> project since it is self-managing and membership is only a foundational > >> level thing. Nevertheless, the membership needs to be a good > cross-section > >> of our project communities. > >> > >> If a community member feels someone is being overlooked a mail to > >> priv...@community.apache.org will reach people who can add notes to the > >> member watch list. > >> > >> This is the right list for discussing what we look for in members. > >> > >> Sent from my phone - please forgive brevity and typos > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: "Rob Vesse" > >> Sent: 7/8/2014 10:42 > >> To: "dev@community.apache.org" > >> Subject: Re: Proposing for Apache Member? > >> > >> Pierre > >> > >> Not unless one/more of those contributors is themselves a Member/Officer > >> of the ASF - see Sectopn 4.1 of the Bylaws > >> (http://apache.org/foundation/bylaws.html#4.1) which states the > following: > >> > >> To be eligible for membership, a person or entity must be nominated by a > >> current member of the corporation and must complete a written membership > >> application in such form as shall be adopted by the Board of Directors > >> from time to time > >> > >> > >> Therefore contributors of a project can't directly, I guess they could > >> talk to ASF members they know and suggest that person with the aim of > >> getting a nomination but not being a member myself I'm not sure if that > >> would be acceptable behaviour. Ultimately ASF is a meritocracy and my > >> personal impression based on people who I know of who've become members > in > >> the past couple of years is that to become a member you need to be > active > >> across the foundation (not just within a small part of it) for a > prolonged > >> period. > >> > >> One thing worth asking is why the community you are involved in feels > the > >> need to have someone be elected as a Member? > >> > >> Rob > >> > >> On 08/07/2014 09:43, "Pierre Smits" wrote: > >> > >>> Hi All, > >>> > >>> Is it possible that contributors of a project can propose a community > >>> member to be elected as an Apache Member? > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Pierre Smits > >>> > >>> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > >>> Services & Solutions for Cloud- > >>> Based Manufacturing, Professional > >>> Services and Retail & Trade > >>> http://www.orrtiz.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >
Re: ApacheCon EU: What I need help with
Hi Rich, That first link that you included redirects to http://tm3.org Regards, Pierre Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > Thank you all for your enormous help so far. I can still use some help if > we're going to make a *July 15th* deadline for CFP notifications. Here's > what you can still do: > > The spreadsheet is at *http://tm3.org/aceu2014tracks* > > > * Check the first tab. If something isn't in a track (ie, isn't color > coded in any way), put it in one. Even if it's a track with only one thing > in it. Otherwise it might get overlooked later on. > > * Check a track you know something about - if you disagree, move stuff to > another track. Note that some tracks are topic based, while other tracks > are project based. We want to build tracks that people will attend, not > necessarily tracks that are 100% correctly categorized, so think about > topics rather than just projects, if possible. > > * If a track is huge, consider splitting into logical subsets (days of the > same track, maybe?) The Big Data track is a likely candidate for this, as > is community. (Internal facing, vs external facing community, worked well > as categorizations at ACNA.) > > * Within a track, sort by type - that is, list regular sessions first, > then tutorials, then lightning talks and bofs, with a blank line between > each group. > > * And, still, we need reviewers. There are a lot of unreviewed talks. > That's at http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/cfp-list?field_ > presentation_event_target_id%5B%5D=2260 > > > > Thanks! > > > > > On 06/30/2014 12:11 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > >> I need to call on all you find people who have offered help with >> ApacheCon. I didn't get anything done on it this weekend, and I don't want >> to be holding anybody up. These are the things that I can use help with. >> >> * Reviewing talks - if you're willing, please sign on to the CFP system - >> http://events.linuxfoundation.org/cfp/cfp-list?field_ >> presentation_event_target_id%5B%5D=2260 - and start rating talks. If you >> don't have authorization to get to that interface, please tell me and C. >> Craig Ross to get that fixed. >> >> * Sorting into tracks/categories. All of the talks are in a Google Doc >> at https://docs.google.com/a/rcbowen.com/spreadsheets/d/ >> 1NSFxoGYkzpkorJkRN7CNnZpsaO59qro3L5YjeTBVSZE/edit#gid=0 I need help >> dividing them up into tracks/topics/projects so that when we have the >> ratings, it'll be easy to identify which ones to select and how to divide >> them up. Please a) create a tab for what you think a topic should be, b) >> COPY (not move) the record from "ALL TALKS" to that tab, and c) highlight >> the entry on the ALL TALKS tab in a different color to indicate that it has >> been categorized. >> >> * If you are familiar with Budapest, help us with the content for >> http://wiki.apache.org/apachecon/BudapestTips >> >> * If your project is planning to participate in the hackathon, put some >> ideas at http://wiki.apache.org/apachecon/HackathonEU14 to get attendees >> excited about our on-site activities. >> >> * If your company is interested in sponsoring the event, but doesn't know >> how, please email me and Angela Brown >> >> Thanks so much for any way that you can help, be it minutes our hours. >> >> --Rich >> >> >> -- >> rbo...@apache.org >> http://apache.org/ >> >
Re: Proposing for Apache Member?
It is a bit strange to read that 'Contributor' is not the official role for anybody who is committed to an Apache project. Equally strange is it to read that both the 'User' and the 'Developer' is defined/explained as the person who is contributing. Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 9:27 PM, Chip Childers wrote: > On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 09:42:56PM +0300, Issac Goldstand wrote: > > Ross, > > > > So to clarify, not all ASF officers are necessarily ASF members? > > Correct. See: > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles > >
Re: Proposing for Apache Member?
I not only tried reading, but I did. Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > Try reading http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html > On 9 Jul 2014 22:20, "Pierre Smits" wrote: > > > It is a bit strange to read that 'Contributor' is not the official role > for > > anybody who is committed to an Apache project. Equally strange is it to > > read that both the 'User' and the 'Developer' is defined/explained as the > > person who is contributing. > > > > > > > > > > Pierre Smits > > > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > > Based Manufacturing, Professional > > Services and Retail & Trade > > http://www.orrtiz.com > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 9:27 PM, Chip Childers > > wrote: > > > > > On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 09:42:56PM +0300, Issac Goldstand wrote: > > > > Ross, > > > > > > > > So to clarify, not all ASF officers are necessarily ASF members? > > > > > > Correct. See: > > > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles > > > > > > > > >
Re: Proposing for Apache Member?
Ross, How can it be that 'Contributor' is not an official 'hat'-definition in the (explanatory) pages of the ASF? While so much importance is placed on correct usage of terminology in projects and elsewhere, based on those pages. Shouldn't the document http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles be amended (with respect to definitons 'User' and 'Developer) in such a way that it reflects that? Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 10:06 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > Pierre, feel free to ask questions, but I don't see any in your last couple > of mails. What can we clarify for you? > > Ross > > > > > > > > On 10 July 2014 04:56, Pierre Smits wrote: > > > I not only tried reading, but I did. > > > > Pierre Smits > > > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > > Based Manufacturing, Professional > > Services and Retail & Trade > > http://www.orrtiz.com > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Ross Gardler < > rgard...@opendirective.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Try reading http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html > > > On 9 Jul 2014 22:20, "Pierre Smits" wrote: > > > > > > > It is a bit strange to read that 'Contributor' is not the official > role > > > for > > > > anybody who is committed to an Apache project. Equally strange is it > to > > > > read that both the 'User' and the 'Developer' is defined/explained as > > the > > > > person who is contributing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pierre Smits > > > > > > > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > > > > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > > > > Based Manufacturing, Professional > > > > Services and Retail & Trade > > > > http://www.orrtiz.com > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 9:27 PM, Chip Childers < > chipchild...@apache.org > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 09:42:56PM +0300, Issac Goldstand wrote: > > > > > > Ross, > > > > > > > > > > > > So to clarify, not all ASF officers are necessarily ASF members? > > > > > > > > > > Correct. See: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: Proposing for Apache Member?
The hat 'User' states that the following: They contribute to the Apache projects by providing feedback to developers in the form of bug reports and feature suggestions The hat 'Developer' states that the following: a user who contributes... In general, a user only consumes the work (the software, the documentation, the postings on the mailing list). They aren't active as contributors (in any way, within the community of a project). As soon as a user gets involved in a project (participating in discussions in the mailing list, posting JIRA issues, etc) he becomes a contributor to the project and its work. This person might be a developer or not, a documentalist or not, etc. Having the 'contribute' in both descriptions makes it ambiguous. Removing the aspect of contributing from the hat 'User' partly removes that ambiguity. Renaming the hat 'Developer' to 'Contributor', does the other part. Subsequently, the hat 'Committer' could be redefined with following: A *committer *is a contributor, that was given write access... Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Eric Covener wrote: > On Fri, Jul 11, 2014 at 7:23 AM, Pierre Smits > wrote: > > How can it be that 'Contributor' is not an official 'hat'-definition in > the > > (explanatory) pages of the ASF? While so much importance is placed on > > correct usage of terminology in projects and elsewhere, based on those > > pages. > > > > Shouldn't the document > > http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#roles be amended > (with > > respect to definitons 'User' and 'Developer) in such a way that it > reflects > > that? > > I don't think a generic "Contributor" adds much to that document. What > confusion about the term contributors would the hypothetical update > clarify? >
Apachecon EU 2014 and OFBIZ talks
Hi Rich, I have taken a look at the spreadsheet and it seems that the OFBiz pitches for talks all have the status 'New', these have been reviewed. Has the spreadsheet been generated before the reviews took place, or has something else occured? Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com
Re: ApacheCon EU: What I need help with
Rich I got the understanding that planned breaks are intended for coffee in the morning, lunch and coffee in the afternoon. Could you communicate the time slots for these, so that they can be included in tentative schedule planning? Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com
Banner Apachecon on website pages
Hi All, Currently several pages are showing the banner for the Apachecon US 2014 event in Denver. Shouldn't we change that with the banner for the Apachecon EU 2014 event in Budapest? Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com
Re: Banner Apachecon on website pages
Jan, Thanks for expressing the confidence. But, is there already an approved image available for the Apachecon EU 2014 event? Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:12 AM, jan i wrote: > On 21 July 2014 11:08, Pierre Smits wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > Currently several pages are showing the banner for the Apachecon US 2014 > > event in Denver. > > > > Shouldn't we change that with the banner for the Apachecon EU 2014 event > in > > Budapest? > > That would be a good idea except for the 1 or 2 places where the reference > is really for the past ACNA in denver. > > You should be able to update most pages. > > rgds > jan I > > > > > Regards, > > > > Pierre Smits > > > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > > Based Manufacturing, Professional > > Services and Retail & Trade > > http://www.orrtiz.com > > >
Re: Banner Apachecon on website pages
Jan, The smalles image of the Apachecon UE 2014 event (at the FL site, see http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-europe/attend/web-badges) is, at best, marginally acceptable. It has a different size, and is more intended for people visiting who want to show it at their own page. Is this what is wanted by the ASF? Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:29 AM, jan i wrote: > On 21 July 2014 11:24, Pierre Smits wrote: > > > Jan, > > > > Thanks for expressing the confidence. But, is there already an approved > > image available for the Apachecon EU 2014 event? > > > > www.apachecon.eu. We typically use the same as LF uses. You might find a > better one by going to LF home page, and then look under events. > > rgds > jan I. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Pierre Smits > > > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > > Based Manufacturing, Professional > > Services and Retail & Trade > > http://www.orrtiz.com > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:12 AM, jan i wrote: > > > > > On 21 July 2014 11:08, Pierre Smits wrote: > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > Currently several pages are showing the banner for the Apachecon US > > 2014 > > > > event in Denver. > > > > > > > > Shouldn't we change that with the banner for the Apachecon EU 2014 > > event > > > in > > > > Budapest? > > > > > > That would be a good idea except for the 1 or 2 places where the > > reference > > > is really for the past ACNA in denver. > > > > > > You should be able to update most pages. > > > > > > rgds > > > jan I > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Pierre Smits > > > > > > > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > > > > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > > > > Based Manufacturing, Professional > > > > Services and Retail & Trade > > > > http://www.orrtiz.com > > > > > > > > > >
Re: Banner Apachecon on website pages
Ai.. Had I known. I have only open bottles of cheap blends Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > On 07/21/2014 01:07 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > >> ...May Rich have mercy on my soul :)... > > > > aarghhh poor Daniel you have no idea what's going to happen to you ;-) > > > > -Bertrand > > > meh, I'll just bring a sufficiently old/expensive bottle of whisky to > Rich at ApacheCon and I'll be fine ;-) > > With regards, > Daniel. >
Re: Corrections for http://apacheconeu2014.sched.org/, where?
I am wondering about that too. Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Sergio Fernández wrote: > In addition, I never used sched.org before, but it's really cool, it'd be > nice to know how to claim your speaker profile: > http://apacheconeu2014.sched.org/speaker/wikier > > > On 24/07/14 09:49, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > >> Hi (Rich mostly I guess), >> >> Should we report corrections for http://apacheconeu2014.sched.org/ >> here, or where? >> >> I have a few things for now: >> >> My company name says AEM, should be Adobe >> http://apacheconeu2014.sched.org/speaker/bdelacretaz >> >> The "How Secure Your Framework Is" talk title should probably be "How >> Secure Is Your Web Framework?" >> http://apacheconeu2014.sched.org/event/dfc8210caf242f4d2e1c926326b97188 >> >> There's an extra uppercase T in the "Your Search doesn'T work" talk title. >> >> HTH, >> -Bertrand >> >> > -- > Sergio Fernández > Partner Technology Manager > Redlink GmbH > m: +43 660 2747 925 > e: sergio.fernan...@redlink.co > w: http://redlink.co >
Re: Corrections for http://apacheconeu2014.sched.org/, where?
Jan, You mean the user name as used when registering the talk at the LF site? Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Jan Willem Janssen < janwillem.jans...@luminis.eu> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 24/07/14 13:22, Pierre Smits wrote: > > I am wondering about that too. > > IIRC, you need to create an account for sched.org with the same name. > Otherwise, you can send the people of sched.org a mail to connect your > sched.org account to the correct username. Found them very quick and > friendly in their action and response. > > > > > Pierre Smits > > > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for > > Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & > > Trade http://www.orrtiz.com > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:06 PM, Sergio Fernández > > wrote: > > > >> In addition, I never used sched.org before, but it's really cool, > >> it'd be nice to know how to claim your speaker profile: > >> http://apacheconeu2014.sched.org/speaker/wikier > >> > >> > >> On 24/07/14 09:49, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > >> > >>> Hi (Rich mostly I guess), > >>> > >>> Should we report corrections for > >>> http://apacheconeu2014.sched.org/ here, or where? > >>> > >>> I have a few things for now: > >>> > >>> My company name says AEM, should be Adobe > >>> http://apacheconeu2014.sched.org/speaker/bdelacretaz > >>> > >>> The "How Secure Your Framework Is" talk title should probably > >>> be "How Secure Is Your Web Framework?" > >>> > http://apacheconeu2014.sched.org/event/dfc8210caf242f4d2e1c926326b97188 > >>> > >>> > >>> > There's an extra uppercase T in the "Your Search doesn'T work" talk title. > >>> > >>> HTH, -Bertrand > >>> > >>> > >> -- Sergio Fernández Partner Technology Manager Redlink GmbH m: > >> +43 660 2747 925 e: sergio.fernan...@redlink.co w: > >> http://redlink.co > >> > > > > > - -- > Met vriendelijke groeten | Kind regards > > Jan Willem Janssen | Software Architect > +31 631 765 814 > > /My world is revolving around INAETICS and Amdatu/ > > Luminis Technologies B.V. > Churchillplein 1 > 7314 BZ Apeldoorn > +31 88 586 46 00 > > http://www.luminis-technologies.com > http://www.luminis.eu > > KvK (CoC) 09 16 28 93 > BTW (VAT) NL8169.78.566.B.01 > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) > Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJT0O2IAAoJEKF/mP2eHDc4n9AP/AjgHnpBar0/WrG/yNzKiFU8 > SrxsQjnErKyluRLOVy1+MA8zWLuN3P60GKaHi3Ph9whkRq+ih/mjktawmOFcdWEe > DImij1bDJcs4mXarYFMqqmxZeiH+UBABm8OkZh/o6wvLpFrrrapxdTC/fEx2uf8e > xNTlUJvkbQyVgC3nS43q8gL2on8ue7XkDCK+Y6cK89h69ALYO31ZMOIB79kFNyFZ > YKdvn1SaAUk4crTLgqC7/15GvUAsyKXs2zNTqLR21VR0ns1+ubLlTEZi7TKmHoMU > dcMX5UpyZGRqkBEcPHKKWGiJ1HXw6Ku+mraLOj4w3b+X90NgRa0NXj5mcbtV6GWJ > b8AkPSjHylbPWM+LB2tj+576iy2mG8IME/VsQHvcD9Ysa3Vt6KZYv07tdO8buOHa > aSDZFDhUb1iaG/H+eyDGgGUTbxqq66NbhP+hI85N4Cp4OACGk2TcxbnkSujdvSTu > DA/IW9D/NHYLVwc8cy9EV110cR9dR09h1CZcNiRR+5bLKhmOjYYUDa3Lt+7lHahc > 4j1W1yJEh391AO0H4KKsYE84qoEKv3D7S2x3AAmTYhYQhnryXJA/k0T6uEM8teJn > fThjcu2/0WjoGn5uSHV11Y5WgL8EN8sGHts3CPnHTEsu2z8cAW5jOEOCBN4H1Rfb > DGCYwaIjcUAkrGOsfMJt > =t1sM > -END PGP SIGNATURE- >
Re: more prominence for ASF activities?
I agree. The only link on the front page (homepage) of apache.org that comes in the neighbourhood of events is the conferences link. And this goes to a page that is shows a lot of information links, but not the events themselves. This page should be showing an overview of upcoming events (including conferences). And I would say that the first upcoming (and rated as most important) event should have a nice image on the front page to click directly to that event. Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 7:09 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > Some of us just received a nice little summary from Melissa on the ASF's > activities at OSCON -- kudos to everyone on all this! > > However, on looking at the ASF main home page, http://www.apache.org/, > events of any kind are not easily found. I'm wondering if a prominent > "Events" tab might be in order. > > -- > - > MzK > > "To be trusted is a greater compliment than being loved." >-- George MacDonald >
Measuring Contributors, Contributions and Community Actvity
Noah, First of all, and I guess that you are aware of this, the document ‘How the ASF Works’ describes the following roles regarding non-committing participants in the communities of the ASF projects: The *user*: A user is someone that uses our software. For the sake of brevity lets accept that this can also be an organisation that consumes the work of a project, and is represented by a person. The description then reads on that these ‘users’ contribute to the Apache projects by providing feedback in the form of bug reports and feature suggestions. And users participate in the Apache community by helping others on mailing lists and support forums. The *developer* (aka the *contributor*): is a user who contributes to a project in the form of code or documentation. They take extra steps to participate in a project, are active in the developer mailing list , participate in discussions, provide patches, documentation, suggestions, and criticism. Both descriptions use the word ‘contribute’, but the first group of participants is regarded as users (not contributors), and the second group does (more or less) the same as the first group (but has this aka ‘contributor’ which the first doesn’t have, but is also described as ‘user’). I would say that a user of the work of a project participates in the community, because he (or the organisation he represents) consumes the work and has questions thereabouts. Questions like: - What is this function we’re talking about? - When will the function be released? - Where can I find the documentation? - Why does this function not work? - How should this function work? And why is that? I would say, because nine out of ten times the second most important work of the project is incomplete, inconclusive, to complicated, to extensive, etc. I am talking about the documentation related to the code. Or he might even rant about how shitty the work or the project is. A contributor is a person who does more than just ask these questions. He provides feedback in the user mailing list to such questions, he hold presentations on the project and the work of the project, he registers bug reports , he improve documentation or the code base of the project, or write books about the work, blogs, tweets, etc, etc. Nevertheless, without the clear-cut distinction between the two there will always be ambiguity about what a contributor is, and might lead to the (perception of) degradation of this participant to second class. As has been written about in the past few weeks. *Measuring contributors* When talking about measuring the number of contributors in a community we should first clear the definitions. Based on what a contributor does, one could say that it could be measured by whether a participant is subscribed to the dev mailing list and/or the equivalent of a JIRA account for registering bugs and patches. As it more likely that a contributor will register to the dev mailing list to participate there as well or have a Issue Mgt account than somebody who is just using the work. But that is not totally conclusive, as some contributors can choose to operate only in the user mailing list, or hold presentations. Such activities doesn’t make them less of a contributor. So something more needs to be done there. Or am I wrong here? *Measuring community activity (project liveliness)* I agree with you that measuring the number of unanswered threads in the user mailing list says something about community activity. But, the same goes for unanswered threads in the dev mailing list. So that should be included as well when trying to have something conclusive to say about the liveliness of a project. But why exclude trends in influx of new users and new contributors, as both also say something of the liveliness of the community and hence the project? The first indicates adoption, the second commitment. The first aspect (new users) is easy to measure by counting the new user mailing list registrations in a period, or even the first posting of a new registrant, or the combination of both. This should be feasible to achieve. Or isn’t it? The second aspect (new contributors) can be measured by registrations of new accounts in the dev mailing list of a project, and/or registration of a JIRA (or equivalent) account. Or even the number of reactions made by each registrant to a thread in the user mailing list. But I suspect that it also needs to be a combination of sorts. Don’t you agree? Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com
Re: ApacheCon w/ infant - logistics
Hi Isabel, I don't think that you have to worry about the availability of Hipp baby food. They have a sales office in budapest, so for sure it will be sold somewhere. But if you want to check availability, please take a look at: http://www.hipp.com/index.php?id=1482&country_name=Ungarn. If need be, you can even contact them (Ms Ilona Guba - 0036 1 4502193). Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Isabel Drost-Fromm wrote: > Hi, > > I don't know any Hungarians that I could ask and during my last visit this > topic wasn't exactly on the agenda to explore so trying here in case > someone knows: > > I'm planning to travel to ApacheCon EU together with my husband and our > little one. From a friend of mine I know that there are European countries > where ready made baby mashes e.g. by Hipp or Alete aren't available - she > found out only after arrival and was very happy to have booked an apartment > including a kitchen. > > So before booking the wrong room for ApacheCon or overpacking: Am I right > in assuming that purchasing Hipp/Alete and Pampers stuff won't be a problem > in Budapest? > > > Cheers, > Isabel >
Apachecon US 2015 Texas
Hi Rich, All, Is a timetable/ list of milestone dates available regarding the event, stating when papers need to be submitted, reviewed, etc.? Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com
OFBiz @ Apachecon EU 2014
Hi All, Did you invite all your European contacts to come to Apachecon EU 2014? Now is a great opportunity to do so, as the event will be held in approx. 2 months. Apachecon EU 2014 is a great event to learn all about the (other) great achievements of the open source projects under the umbrella of the Apache Software Foundation (the ASF), but foremost a great opportunity to exchange insights and ideas about how to use and improve OFBiz. The event will be hosted in Budapest and will be held from the 17th till the 21st of November. An overview of the OFBiz talks can be found here: https://apacheconeu2014.sched.org/overview/type/ofbiz Best regards, and looking forward to meeting you there in person. Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com
Re: [NOTICE] Welcome Ulrich Stärk as new Community Development PMC Chair
Not only congratulations to Ulrich, but also thanks to Luciano! Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Luciano Resende wrote: > The Apache Community Development PMC has recommended and the Board has > confirmed Ulrich Stärk as the new ComDev PMC Chair. > > Congratulations !!! > > -- > Luciano Resende > http://people.apache.org/~lresende > http://twitter.com/lresende1975 > http://lresende.blogspot.com/ >
Re: Apachecon US 2015 Texas
Rich, Please present a list of areas and activities that require assistence. I contribute where and whenever I can. Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 11:38 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > On 09/18/2014 01:56 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: > >> Hi Rich, All, >> >> Is a timetable/ list of milestone dates available regarding the event, >> stating when papers need to be submitted, reviewed, etc.? >> > > The relevant dates are: > > CFP Open: September 16, 2014 > CFP Close: February 1, 2015 > CFP Notifications: February 14, 2015 > Schedule Announced: February 18, 2015 > Event Dates: April 13-17, 2015 > > I will be reaching out, again, for volunteers as soon as I get ApacheCon > EU put to bed. If people want to step up to do anything now, please do so. > I hope to delegate more and more with each successive event, and work > myself out of a job. > > > -- > Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen > http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon > >
Re: Apachecon US 2015 Texas
Joe, The best place to point to is: http://events.linuxfoundation.org//events/apachecon-north-america/program/cfp Unless you looking for something more descriptive. Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > On Thu, Sep 18, 2014, at 04:38 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > > On 09/18/2014 01:56 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: > > > Hi Rich, All, > > > > > > Is a timetable/ list of milestone dates available regarding the event, > > > stating when papers need to be submitted, reviewed, etc.? > > > > The relevant dates are: > > > > CFP Open: September 16, 2014 > > Do we have a page for this where folks can submit? Happy to start > blogging about this and announcing, etc. Just need a place to send > folks. > > Also, can I get access to the ApacheCon Twitter account? Thanks! > > Best, > > jzb > -- > Joe Brockmeier > j...@zonker.net > Twitter: @jzb > http://www.dissociatedpress.net/ >
Re: ApacheCon - How you can help
Also done in the Apache Dirctory mailing list. Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad > Op 19 sep. 2014 om 15:37 heeft Rich Bowen het volgende > geschreven: > > Here's the most important ways that you can help with ApacheCon EU right now, > in order of importance. > > * If you are involved in an Apache project that has content at ApacheCon, > send messages to your users@ and dev@ list telling them about that content, > and telling people that they need to be there. Tell them specifically what > talks they need to come for, and what developers they'll get to hang out with > at the event. Tell them that they are doing their career a disservice if they > don't come to this event. Remind them that committers have a deep discount, > so if they're not committers now, here's a *great* reason for them to get on > that train for next time. Remind the US audience that if they can't make it > to Budapest, they should plan to come to Austin in April. > > * Reach out to other audiences - Twitter, Facebook, and G+, certainly, but > also other non-Apache projects you're involved with that have strong overlap > with our content. Again, mention specific talks and people that will be at > the event. > > * If your company cares about or relies on any Apache technology, encourage > them to sponsor the event and/or send an employee to the event. Remind them > that it's about more than just the technical content - they will get to have > first-hand contact with the people that develop the software, and become part > of that community, with the possibility to participate in shaping the future > of that product. If there's a spark of interest in sponsorship, have them get > in touch with me - rbo...@apache.org - and we'll take it from there. > > * Follow and retweet the @apachecon account. > > -- > rbo...@apache.org > http://apache.org/ >
Re: Tweets for ApacheCon (was Re: ApacheCon - How you can help)
Joe, That was a great catch phrase about the beer and the OFBiz talk. Kudos! Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2014, at 04:48 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 19, 2014, at 08:37 AM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > Here's the most important ways that you can help with ApacheCon EU > right > > > now, in order of importance. > > > > > * Reach out to other audiences - Twitter, Facebook, and G+, certainly, > > > but also other non-Apache projects you're involved with that have > strong > > > overlap with our content. Again, mention specific talks and people that > > > will be at the event. > > > > I'm including a list of suggested tweets for *all* talks at ApacheCon EU > > here. It'd be great if we could start using these and tweeting from > > project and personal accounts. > > Sorry - disregard previous list. Corrected keynote info and used the > correct (I believe) Apache OpenOffice twitter handle this time. > ># # # > > Don't miss @rbowen delivering the Apache Software Foundation State of > the Feather http://sched.co/1pbz2S9 at #ApacheCon in Budapest! > > At #ApacheCon in Budapest, @douglascarswell will keynote on "iDemocracy > and Political Reform" http://sched.co/1m5CFZl Nov. 17-21! > > Apache Tez - A New Chapter In Hadoop Data Processing > http://sched.co/1pbkIsQ by Hitesh Shah at #ApacheCon Budapest > > See @gagravarr discuss "The Apache Way" at #ApacheCon > http://sched.co/1pboCC2 in Budapest, Nov. 17-21! > > Nov. 17th: Mobile Productivity and Apache http://sched.co/1p6XPnB with > @uxproductivity, Louis Suárez-Potts @ageofpeers #ApacheCon Budapest > > OFBiz: What Do Business Users See and Want? http://sched.co/1pbwKT9 > Sharan Foga > > Using Apache Commons SCXML 2.0: http://sched.co/1pblgz8 by @AteDouma at > #ApacheCon in Budapest > > Apache @CouchDB State Of The Union http://sched.co/1nz2uDt by @janl in > Budapest at #ApacheCon this November > > Learn about Jax-Rs 2.0 With Apache Cxf Continued by @sberyozkin > http://sched.co/1pbn4rL at #ApacheCon Europe (Budapest!) November 17-21 > > This Nov., the amazing @rbowen presents Configurable Configuration > w/Apache at #ApacheCon Europe in Budapest httpd http://sched.co/1pbqniI > > ETL Made Simple Using Spark http://sched.co/1pbkKB5 by @mayur_rustagi > @ApacheCon Europe, November 17-21 in Budapest! > > Did somebody say #Beer?! Brewing With Apache OFBiz > http://sched.co/1nhAAtR by @PierreSmits @ApacheCon Europe Budapest, 17 > November > > See @ApacheOO's @pescetti discusses "Bending The Rules: Community Over > Code Over Policy" http://sched.co/1pboGSl #ApacheCon in Nov. > > See "Oak, the Architecture of Apache Jackrabbit 3.0" by Michael Dürig > http://sched.co/1pFshqr at #ApacheCon Europe, 17 Nov. in Budapest! > > Get an Introduction to @CouchDB http://sched.co/1A4gGsd from @janl > @ApacheCon Europe, Budapest - Nov. 17-21 > > Using Websocket With CXF And Camel http://sched.co/1pbn6Qm by Akitoshi > Yoshida at #ApacheCon Europe, 17 Nov. in Budapest! > > Learn about Building @ApacheCordova Applications With Apache Flex > http://sched.co/1pbtA1O from @ChristoferDutz @ApacheCon Nov. 17-21 > > "External Identity And Authentication Providers For Apache Httpd" > http://sched.co/1pbrMWC by Jan Pazdziora @ApacheCon Europe - Nov. 17-21 > > "Accelerating Big Data Application Development With Cascading" > http://sched.co/1p6Y6XF by @supreet_online #ApacheCon Nov. 17-21 #Java > > "Sharing Apache's Goodness: How We Should Be Telling Apache's Story" > http://sched.co/1p7jDzE by @jzb #ApacheCon in Budapest, Nov. 17-21 > > Find out "What's New In Apache Syncope 1.2.0" http://sched.co/1pblZAc > from @coheigea @ApacheCon Europe in Budapest, Nov. 17-21 > > Putting The C Back In @CouchDB 2.0: Merging Bigcouch > http://sched.co/1nz2GCz by @wohali @ApacheCon Europe, Budapest this Nov. > 17-21 > > CXF Security And Reliability http://sched.co/1pbn7UC by Dennis Sosnoski > @ApacheCon Europe, Budapest - this Nov. 17-21 > > Catch "mod_rewrite And Friends: URL Mapping And Manipulation With Apache > httpd" http://sched.co/1nyXM8I by @rbowen at #ApacheCon on Nov. 17 > > See "Cordova And Firefox OS - HTML5 For The Mobile Web" > http://sched.co/1nz0Rpb by @JasonWeathersby #ApacheCon Budapest, Nov. > 17-21 > > "Introd
ASF Status website and project health reporting
Hi, Recently we exchanged some thoughts (twitter and otherwise) regarding the status of Apache top level projects and about how the reporting by the ASF to the projects and the wider communities could be improved. Currently the status pages at http://status.apache.org regarding project health (commit activity and mailing lists) don't allow drill down into individual projects. Is it achievable to get this kind of functionality? Can we (as the ASF) also provide insights in number of people joining and leaving the mailing lists of the projects and show what the trending topics over the periods? But also reporting on average depth and width of mailing list threads? I do believe that these kind of insights will help monitoring project health and investigate where projects can improve regarding community building. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com
Re: ASF Status website and project health reporting
Hi Gabriela, All, Thanks for your quick response. Just having mailing lists subscription counts and absolute numbers of postings per month indeed don't say much. Changes (both plus and minus) in those counts do say a bit more. But it is the correlation between an aspect and others that make it more meaningful, e.g. number of registrations vs active participants. Making all those aspects easily accessible will help. As such is reporting on the dept of (average) mail threads, meaning no of threads with 1 posting vs no of threads with more postings. And reporting on the average width of mail threads, e.g. the number of threads between only non-committing contributors vs number of threads with interactions between (non-committing) contributor, committer and PMC Members. Just a handful of posters can create a lot of mails within the timeframe of a month. And a lot of those parameters can be discussed. Is a project with 1000 followers but with just a few contributors a very healthy one in the eyes of the ASF? Maybe that discussion deserves another mail thread? I agree, subscribing to and unsubscribing from mailing lists could be done in a more web2.0 and integrated way as opposed to the pre-2k methodology we are using today. The same could also be applied to: - project registration and definition of project mailing lists - handling of committer and member doap files - handling of permission definitions for contributors,committers, PMC Members and ASF Members - handling of permissions in the various underlying tools - registrations, review and acceptance of iLCAs and other CA documents - etc I must admit though that I don't know what the underlying tools are to ensure that each of those tools work properly for the person using it. But I suspect it involves a lot of manual handling. Others can elaborate on that. Over the past months I have had thoughts about whether and how the main work of the OFBiz project could support the internal processes of the ASF as a whole and the projects under its umbrella. Based on my limited insights regarding those processes and the knowledge I have regarding OFBiz, this is feasible and achievable. OFBiz has a lot of functionalities that can cater to Community Member Services with respect to the list above, and more. One of our contributors even has implemented a solution for a community based on OFBiz for one of their customers (see the mail thread here: http://ofbiz.markmail.org/message/3t6q6eqs6czhq7cr?q=alumni ). But is that what the ASF wants? Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Gabriela Gibson wrote: > On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Pierre Smits > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Recently we exchanged some thoughts (twitter and otherwise) regarding the > > status of Apache top level projects and about how the reporting by the > ASF > > to the projects and the wider communities could be improved. > > > > Currently the status pages at http://status.apache.org regarding project > > health (commit activity and mailing lists) don't allow drill down into > > individual projects. Is it achievable to get this kind of functionality? > > > > Can we (as the ASF) also provide insights in number of people joining and > > leaving the mailing lists of the projects and show what the trending > topics > > over the periods? > > But also reporting on average depth and width of mailing list threads? > > > > I do believe that these kind of insights will help monitoring project > > health and investigate where projects can improve regarding community > > building. > > > > > > I'm not so sure that mailing list subscription counts are very > representative -- I recently unsubscribed from almost every forum I had > ever joined because classification by labelling in gmail is a hit and miss, > and the deluge of mails that were incorrectly sorted was too much. > > Instead, I use the web interfaces for those forums now. > > So, I would like to see the mailing list web interface be improved: > > Better thread navigation; and the ability to 'one-click (un)subscribe' to a > given thread or a watch for keywords in the subject(subject to being logged > in). Being able to choose a digest or continuous format on a per-case > basis would also be nice. > > If that could be done, collected statistics about participation would be > far more reliable and informative. > > G > -- > Visit my Coding Diary: http://gabriela-gibson.blogspot.com/ >
Re: ASF Status website and project health reporting
For sure, such an endeavour will take quit some effort and technical resources. Especially if we want to have this available over the entire lifespan of projects. Projects do generate a lot of data that can be used for statistical analysis. Assuming over 200 projects and podlings, and each list having at least 3 mailing lists, you are looking at a lot of data that needs to be gathered and enhanced with data from other sources to ensure that the information created is meaningful. I wonder what technical solutions available under the ASF umbrella would be suitable to bring this kind of information to project communities, the board and everybody else interested. And how this should be approached project wise, as I suspect that a lot of skills and expertise is involved. Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Noah Slater wrote: > Agreed. Commits/ML traffic would be nice on a per-project basis. > > Beyond that: detailed analytics tools for all projects would be such a > boon from a community management perspective. I've long since thought > about writing some of these myself. > > No need to get it perfect at the outset. It's something that could be > improved over time. > > On 3 October 2014 12:50, Pierre Smits wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Recently we exchanged some thoughts (twitter and otherwise) regarding the > > status of Apache top level projects and about how the reporting by the > ASF > > to the projects and the wider communities could be improved. > > > > Currently the status pages at http://status.apache.org regarding project > > health (commit activity and mailing lists) don't allow drill down into > > individual projects. Is it achievable to get this kind of functionality? > > > > Can we (as the ASF) also provide insights in number of people joining and > > leaving the mailing lists of the projects and show what the trending > topics > > over the periods? > > But also reporting on average depth and width of mailing list threads? > > > > I do believe that these kind of insights will help monitoring project > health > > and investigate where projects can improve regarding community building. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Pierre Smits > > > > ORRTIZ.COM > > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > > Based Manufacturing, Professional > > Services and Retail & Trade > > http://www.orrtiz.com > > > > -- > Noah Slater > https://twitter.com/nslater >
Re: ApacheBookStore.com
Rich, Why not consider the eCommerce solution of the Apache OFBiz project as a replacement for the wiki page? Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > On 10/06/2014 04:21 PM, Konstantin Kolinko wrote: > >> 2014-10-06 17:13 GMT+04:00 Rich Bowen : >> >>> Anybody know who manages/owns/whatever ApacheBookStore.com? >>> >>> On the front page: >> 1. "ASF Committers may add new items to our inventory or edit the item >> descriptions." -> contact e-mail address >> >> 2. Last line on the front page: "Contact Administrators" >> -> http://www.apachebookstore.com/confluence/oss/administrators.action >> >> An interesting effort, but the site looks somewhat outdated and >> unmaintained. The latest listed books are from year 2008. >> > > Thanks. I totally missed those. > > Yes, it's completely unmaintained, and we have several project websites > that link to it. > > > > -- > Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen > http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon > >
Re: Cordava 3.6.3 Bug
Dear Sir, Madam, I believe you intended this message to be for the community of the Apache Cordova project. Please subscibe to their dev mailing list by sending an email to dev-subscr...@cordova.apache.org. See here (http://cordova.apache.org/#mailing-list). This mailing list (dev@community.apache.org) is intended to discuss the development of the communities of the projects under the umbrella of the Apache Software Foundation. It doesn't involve the development of the works of the Apache projects. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 4:30 PM, SealMedia Global wrote: > Dear Sir, > > I hope this mail finfs you well. > > Npm - NodeJs Package Manager - forces developers to use the latest > Cordova file sets; > even if they are in their beta version. The (cordova.js) in Cordova > 3.6.3, the latest I've > downloaded as of this date, is much much smaller in size (61 Kb) as > compared to the (cordova.js) in Cordova 2.8.0 (219 Kb) > > > The reduction of size means that many items > have been deleted/ removed from the latest release - Specifically the > Network State section... i.e. when there is no internet connection, it > should Not say that the page can not be displayed - It should alert > users in advance like it was before. > > > Kindly get back to me as soon as you can. > Kind regards. >
Fwd: The ASF and Apache OFBiz (was: Re: ASF Status website and project health reporting)
-- Forwarded message -- From: Pierre Smits Date: Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 3:19 PM Subject: The ASF and Apache OFBiz (was: Re: ASF Status website and project health reporting) To: gabriela.gib...@gmail.com Cc: "dev@community.apache.org" , humbed...@apache.org, Noah Slater , curc...@apache.org, u...@ofbiz.apache.org, rbo...@apache.org, Craig L Russell , Ross Gardler , Jacques Le Roux < jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> Hi Gabriella, I have been pondering a bit on how Apache OFBiz could support The ASF as the unified front end regarding: - subscribing to and unsubscribing from mailing lists of projects and offices - profiling the Projects, Corporate Officers, ASF Members, Vice Presidents, PMC Members, Committers, Contributors and Offices - the invitation processes regarding new ASF Members, PMC Members and Committers - the 'Change of Guard' process regarding Board Members, Office and Project VPs Based on some demo data I have mocked up how this could look like and have created a Powerpoint to show and explain this a bit. In the attached PDF you can get a feel of some screenshots. In the notes of each slide you'll find a short description. If you would like to investigate and/or pursue the possibilities further, feel free to contact me to exchange ideas, viewpoints, etc. If you have trouble accessing the attached file please send me a note. Best Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Gabriela Gibson wrote: > On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Pierre Smits > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Recently we exchanged some thoughts (twitter and otherwise) regarding the > > status of Apache top level projects and about how the reporting by the > ASF > > to the projects and the wider communities could be improved. > > > > Currently the status pages at http://status.apache.org regarding project > > health (commit activity and mailing lists) don't allow drill down into > > individual projects. Is it achievable to get this kind of functionality? > > > > Can we (as the ASF) also provide insights in number of people joining and > > leaving the mailing lists of the projects and show what the trending > topics > > over the periods? > > But also reporting on average depth and width of mailing list threads? > > > > I do believe that these kind of insights will help monitoring project > > health and investigate where projects can improve regarding community > > building. > > > > > > I'm not so sure that mailing list subscription counts are very > representative -- I recently unsubscribed from almost every forum I had > ever joined because classification by labelling in gmail is a hit and miss, > and the deluge of mails that were incorrectly sorted was too much. > > Instead, I use the web interfaces for those forums now. > > So, I would like to see the mailing list web interface be improved: > > Better thread navigation; and the ability to 'one-click (un)subscribe' to a > given thread or a watch for keywords in the subject(subject to being logged > in). Being able to choose a digest or continuous format on a per-case > basis would also be nice. > > If that could be done, collected statistics about participation would be > far more reliable and informative. > > G > -- > Visit my Coding Diary: http://gabriela-gibson.blogspot.com/ >
Re: Fwd: The ASF and Apache OFBiz (was: Re: ASF Status website and project health reporting)
@brane Every tool has its limitations... ;-) I can do an (off-site) demo at the ApacheCon EU 2014 for those interested. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Branko Čibej wrote: > On 13.10.2014 15:27, Pierre Smits wrote: > > Based on some demo data I have mocked up how this could look like and > have > > created a Powerpoint to show and explain this a bit. > > In the attached PDF you can get a feel of some screenshots. In the notes > of > > each slide you'll find a short description. > > ASF mailing lists do not allow binary attachments; there's nothing > attached to the mail. > > (Yes, this is a good thing and protects us from spam, somewhat.) > > -- Brane > > P.S.: "A Powerpoint?" Really? :) > >
Re: ApacheBookStore.com
Rich, How about drop shipments directly from the publishing party, if they can handle that? That way no inventory would be required. With OFBiz The ASF can take the ordersin (not only for books, but also promotion stuff like t-shirts, banners, buttons, etc), accept the payment (credit card, etc) and send the supply order to the party handling the drop shipments. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 4:21 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > On 10/10/2014 12:07 PM, Pierre Smits wrote: > >> Rich, >> >> Why not consider the eCommerce solution of the Apache OFBiz project as a >> replacement for the wiki page? >> > > That could be cool - you mean, selling books directly and giving profits > to the ASF? How would we handle shipping/inventory? > > Anyways, I haven't heard back from anyone that handles that site, and I > don't have the cycles to pursue it, but it sounds like a good thing to try > to do, if someone wanted to take that project. > > --Rich > > > > Regards, >> >> Pierre Smits >> >> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >> Based Manufacturing, Professional >> Services and Retail & Trade >> http://www.orrtiz.com >> >> On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 10:39 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: >> >> On 10/06/2014 04:21 PM, Konstantin Kolinko wrote: >>> >>> 2014-10-06 17:13 GMT+04:00 Rich Bowen : >>>> >>>> Anybody know who manages/owns/whatever ApacheBookStore.com? >>>>> >>>>> On the front page: >>>>> >>>> 1. "ASF Committers may add new items to our inventory or edit the item >>>> descriptions." -> contact e-mail address >>>> >>>> 2. Last line on the front page: "Contact Administrators" >>>> -> http://www.apachebookstore.com/confluence/oss/administrators.action >>>> >>>> An interesting effort, but the site looks somewhat outdated and >>>> unmaintained. The latest listed books are from year 2008. >>>> >>>> Thanks. I totally missed those. >>> >>> Yes, it's completely unmaintained, and we have several project websites >>> that link to it. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen >>> http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon >>> >>> >>> > -- > Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen > http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon > >
Re: ApacheBookStore.com
True, whether or not to pursue the exploitation of an e-commerce activity by The ASF is something that needs to analysed thoroughly regarding the fiscal and social implications. But, before such endeavour is undertaken the ASF could use the capabilities of OFBiz to showcase the books related to the works of the Apache Projects (without opening it up to take in orders). This could assist (in a unified way) in branding the products of the Apache projects. And this can be done by (delegated to) any interested contributor within any project. And thereby achieving that the list of books is more up to date than it is today. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 6:13 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 11:27 AM, jan i wrote: > > > On 13 October 2014 16:30, Pierre Smits wrote: > > > > > Rich, > > > > > > How about drop shipments directly from the publishing party, if they > can > > > handle that? That way no inventory would be required. > > > > > > With OFBiz The ASF can take the ordersin (not only for books, but also > > > promotion stuff like t-shirts, banners, buttons, etc), accept the > payment > > > (credit card, etc) and send the supply order to the party handling the > > drop > > > shipments. > > > > > Technically I am sure OFBiz can handle it, but how does this work with > our > > non-profit status, I am not sure we can freely sell goods without paying > > taxes. > > > > > The ASF will absolutely have to pay taxes and the rules will vary for every > city in the US (not to mention every other jurisdiction in the world). > > Expecting that Apache has the resources to actually run a full-scale > e-commerce business with reasonable tax and PCI compliance is absolutely > nuts (in my oh so very humble opinion based on having built 2 substantial > consumer businesses and been very involved in 2 major anti-fraud > companies). > > Volunteer staffing for any significant e-commerce effort is simply not > sufficient. >
Re: ApacheBookStore.com
With everything you have, of course, to consider whether the joy is worth the price. Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > On 10/13/2014 10:02 PM, Pierre Smits wrote: > >> True, whether or not to pursue the exploitation of an e-commerce activity >> by The ASF is something that needs to analysed thoroughly regarding the >> fiscal and social implications. >> >> But, before such endeavour is undertaken the ASF could use the >> capabilities >> of OFBiz to showcase the books related to the works of the Apache Projects >> (without opening it up to take in orders). This could assist (in a unified >> way) in branding the products of the Apache projects. And this can be done >> by (delegated to) any interested contributor within any project. And >> thereby achieving that the list of books is more up to date than it is >> today. >> > > What we have encouraged in the past is for people/companies to set up > their own stores and welcomed any donations that they wished to make back > to the Foundation from profits. We've never really entertained the notion > of an official store. > > > > -- > Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen > http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon > >
Re: The ASF and Apache OFBiz (was: Re: ASF Status website and project health reporting)
Ross, As far as I can tell, only Rich has contacted the community of the OFBiz project regarding management of fundraising activities. I assume you that is what you meant, not contracted. Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) < ross.gard...@microsoft.com> wrote: > Note, we have recently been discussing how OfBiz can help with management > of the fundraising activities. Melissa (our EA) is in contract with the > project. It seems to me that this would be the simplest starting point (and > isn't public facing, so less of a design overhead). > > Other than that, as Shane says, anything that does happen needs to happen > with the infra team on board. > > Thanks Ross > > Sent from my Windows Phone > > From: Shane Curcuru<mailto:a...@shanecurcuru.org> > Sent: 10/15/2014 4:57 AM > To: dev@community.apache.org<mailto:dev@community.apache.org> > Cc: u...@ofbiz.apache.org<mailto:u...@ofbiz.apache.org>; Jacques Le > Roux<mailto:jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> > Subject: Re: The ASF and Apache OFBiz (was: Re: ASF Status website and > project health reporting) > > The best place to start this discussion in terms of needs is over on the > dev@community mailing list - no need to include folks individually > unless they ask. > > There are several different issues to work on: > > - Need and design: what does the ASF or some projects actually need, and > how could we better present a design that would be easier to use and > maintain? Note also that projects use a wide variety of site generation > and maintenance tools, and to get better adoption any new tool needs to > fit easily into existing Forrest, Maven, or other tools that various > projects use (i.e., adoption on a per-project level, like for > project.a.o/mailinglist pages, would be up to each project) > > - Work: Who is actually going to provide the code, take feedback from > various parties, and help maintain any new solution? This is where > having an iterative design is important, because many of these efforts > start with great new volunteers, but never get finished or fully > deployed when the rest of the world interferes with people's dayjobs. > > - Code: Any apache.org hosted solution needs to be maintained by the > infra team. In particular, infra is moving to centralize all the > per-person data into our custom LDAP scheme, which is being expanded to > include PMC membership and plenty of other data. Some info is on the blog: > > https://blogs.apache.org/infra/tags/ldap > https://id.apache.org/ > > There's been a lot of updates to how the core LDAP is being used and is > exposed on http or https endpoints in the past year, so it would be > useful to get a better overview of what the core people/projects data is > available already. > > - Shane > > On 10/13/14 9:19 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: > > Hi Gabriella, > > > > I have been pondering a bit on how Apache OFBiz could support The ASF as > > the unified front end regarding: > > > > * subscribing to and unsubscribing from mailing lists of projects and > > offices > > * profiling the Projects, Corporate Officers, ASF Members, Vice > > Presidents, PMC Members, Committers, Contributors and Offices > > * the invitation processes regarding new ASF Members, PMC Members and > > Committers > > * the 'Change of Guard' process regarding Board Members, Office and > > Project VPs > > > > Based on some demo data I have mocked up how this could look like and > > have created a Powerpoint to show and explain this a bit. > > In the attached PDF you can get a feel of some screenshots. In the notes > > of each slide you'll find a short description. > > > > If you would like to investigate and/or pursue the possibilities > > further, feel free to contact me to exchange ideas, viewpoints, etc. If > > you have trouble accessing the attached file please send me a note. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > Pierre Smits > > > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > > Based Manufacturing, Professional > > Services and Retail & Trade > > http://www.orrtiz.com <http://www.orrtiz.com/> > > > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Gabriela Gibson > > mailto:gabriela.gib...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 11:50 AM, Pierre Smits > >
Re: The ASF and Apache OFBiz (was: Re: ASF Status website and project health reporting)
See inline. On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 7:50 PM, Melissa Warnkin < missywarn...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote: > Good afternoon, > I have been in direct contact with Mike Bates re a CRM for fundraising > activities (not the whole OFBiz community). Why not the OFBiz community? Surely you had questions to ask that could also have been answered by other members of the community. > In fact, I sent a follow-up email to him yesterday and plan to give him a > ring in a day or two if I do not receive a response (I don't want to put > too much pressure on him! ;) ). > HTH,~M > Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com/>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com
Re: Fwd: The ASF and Apache OFBiz (was: Re: ASF Status website and project health reporting)
HI Branco, All, For your convenience I have made the presentation also available to get an idea. It can be found here: http://www.slideshare.net/pierresmits/ofbiz-4-the-asf Should you have any questions and/or remarks, feel free to post them here. Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Branko Čibej wrote: > On 13.10.2014 15:27, Pierre Smits wrote: > > Based on some demo data I have mocked up how this could look like and > have > > created a Powerpoint to show and explain this a bit. > > In the attached PDF you can get a feel of some screenshots. In the notes > of > > each slide you'll find a short description. > > ASF mailing lists do not allow binary attachments; there's nothing > attached to the mail. > > (Yes, this is a good thing and protects us from spam, somewhat.) > > -- Brane > > P.S.: "A Powerpoint?" Really? :) > >
Fwd: ApacheCon US 2015 and change of CFP
Reposting in community development. I guess I took a wrong turn earlier. -- Forwarded message -- From: Pierre Smits Date: Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 2:24 PM Subject: ApacheCon US 2015 and change of CFP To: "apachecon-disc...@apache.org" Jan, All, First of all, thanks to all (contributors, speakers, organisers and supporting parties) who participated in making the ApacheCon EU 2014 a success. It is one of the best ways to get the word out on what the contributors of both the Apache projects and the Apache Software Foundation are doing, achieving and how they collaborate. Thank you, Bertrand, for the brilliant slide of the Swiss Army Knife, showing what the combined result of each Apache project is. It is also a great way to attract new users and contributors. Thank you, Jan and Noah, for the equally brilliant slide regarding the soliciting for new contributors by the CouchDb project. A strong message never needs a complicated slide! I have started out to bring the ApacheCon US 2015 event to attention of the Apache OFBiz community in order promote it and investigate the interest for presenting talks. Now, Jan has told me yesterday (Nov 19,2014) that the way we are going to review and accept talks might change for upcoming ApacheCon US 2015 event. Is there perhaps a wiki page (or something of the kind) that explains how this new procedure will work? Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com
Re: ApacheCon track descriptions
Jan, I noticed the ps in your reaction to the posting of Sharan. Is there something specific you're hinting towards, that you can't find in the project's web pages? Can you elaborate on your ps. Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 4:41 PM, jan i wrote: > > Hi Sharan > > Looking forward to see you in austin (there will be plenty of vegetarian > food even though its a cattle city, btw I got several complaints for not > offering vegetarian in budapest). > > i had a similar problem, and it turned out to be a spam isolation/detection > problem. Nick Burch waved a magic stick and I could edit. > > have a nice day > rgds > jan i > > > ps. how about making a paper "what can ofbiz do for asf?" > > > > On Sunday, December 14, 2014, Sharan Foga wrote: > > > Hi > > > > I've written a summary for the OFBiz track but am having problems editing > > the wiki to copy it in. Logging in is fine but I cant change anything. > > Please can someone check that I've got edit access? > > > > Thanks > > Sharan > > > > On 12/12/2014 17:25, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote: > > > >> Track organizers you have a small job to do... > >> > >> Sally is working up a marketing campaign to align with ApacheCon. This > is > >> a campaign for the foundation not for ApacheCon itself, however it will > run > >> during the push for attendees and is intended to both ride on the > ApacheCon > >> press and contribute to it. > >> > >> In order to help Sally plan this campaign can you please provide a 3-5 > >> sentence description of your track in the wiki ( > https://wiki.apache.org/ > >> apachecon/ACNA2015ContentCommittee). Don't worry about the details. > >> We'll help flesh out a more "marketing friendly" set of words. We just > need > >> some guidance on what your track will contain. > >> > >> As an example here's what I wrote for my cloud track: > >> "The cloud changes everything. The Apache Software Foundation changes > >> everything. This track will focus on how The Apache Software Foundation > >> and, more specifically, the Apache projects are often found at the core > of > >> the latest and greatest innovations in IT. Sessions in this track will > show > >> how the Apache Way enables the largest and the smallest of companies to > >> work together to redefine IT. We'll also take a look into the future of > >> cloud computing and how Apache projects fit into, even defines, that > >> future." > >> Ross > >> > >> > >> > > > > -- > Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings. >
Re: ApacheCon track descriptions
Jan, What, When and How something is implemented at the ASF is at the discretion of the officers of the ASF (the board). There is something underway, but the OFBiz community is not involved in this. Please revert to Melissa, Rich or Ross to get more information. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 10:38 AM, jan i wrote: > > On Monday, December 15, 2014, Pierre Smits wrote: > > > Jan, > > > > I noticed the ps in your reaction to the posting of Sharan. > > > > Is there something specific you're hinting towards, that you can't find > in > > the project's web pages? > > > > Can you elaborate on your ps. > > > I am not searching for anything specific, but I have read many mails from > you and others about things ofbiz could do for asf, but I have not seen it > be implemented. My hint was just to say that a talk/discussion at > apacheCON, could maybe change this. > > rgds > jan i > > > > > Regards, > > > > Pierre Smits > > > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > > Based Manufacturing, Professional > > Services and Retail & Trade > > http://www.orrtiz.com > > > > On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 4:41 PM, jan i > > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Sharan > > > > > > Looking forward to see you in austin (there will be plenty of > vegetarian > > > food even though its a cattle city, btw I got several complaints for > not > > > offering vegetarian in budapest). > > > > > > i had a similar problem, and it turned out to be a spam > > isolation/detection > > > problem. Nick Burch waved a magic stick and I could edit. > > > > > > have a nice day > > > rgds > > > jan i > > > > > > > > > ps. how about making a paper "what can ofbiz do for asf?" > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, December 14, 2014, Sharan Foga > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > > > I've written a summary for the OFBiz track but am having problems > > editing > > > > the wiki to copy it in. Logging in is fine but I cant change > anything. > > > > Please can someone check that I've got edit access? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Sharan > > > > > > > > On 12/12/2014 17:25, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote: > > > > > > > >> Track organizers you have a small job to do... > > > >> > > > >> Sally is working up a marketing campaign to align with ApacheCon. > This > > > is > > > >> a campaign for the foundation not for ApacheCon itself, however it > > will > > > run > > > >> during the push for attendees and is intended to both ride on the > > > ApacheCon > > > >> press and contribute to it. > > > >> > > > >> In order to help Sally plan this campaign can you please provide a > 3-5 > > > >> sentence description of your track in the wiki ( > > > https://wiki.apache.org/ > > > >> apachecon/ACNA2015ContentCommittee). Don't worry about the details. > > > >> We'll help flesh out a more "marketing friendly" set of words. We > just > > > need > > > >> some guidance on what your track will contain. > > > >> > > > >> As an example here's what I wrote for my cloud track: > > > >> "The cloud changes everything. The Apache Software Foundation > changes > > > >> everything. This track will focus on how The Apache Software > > Foundation > > > >> and, more specifically, the Apache projects are often found at the > > core > > > of > > > >> the latest and greatest innovations in IT. Sessions in this track > will > > > show > > > >> how the Apache Way enables the largest and the smallest of companies > > to > > > >> work together to redefine IT. We'll also take a look into the future > > of > > > >> cloud computing and how Apache projects fit into, even defines, that > > > >> future." > > > >> Ross > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings. > > > > > > > > -- > Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings. >
Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Apache Commons grants write access to all ASF committers
Congratulations. This openness in its truest form. Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Otávio Gonçalves de Santana < otaviopolianasant...@gmail.com> wrote: > Great! !! > On Jan 2, 2015 9:56 PM, "Antoine Levy Lambert" wrote: > > > I like that too, > > > > Antoine > > On Jan 2, 2015, at 2:24 PM, Luciano Resende > wrote: > > > > > Very good initiative !!! > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > On Thu, Dec 25, 2014 at 6:17 AM, Benedikt Ritter > > wrote: > > > > > >> Dear fellow committers, > > >> > > >> The Apache Commons Team is pleased to announce that write access to > the > > >> Apache Commons Subversion and Git repositories has been granted to all > > ASF > > >> committers. > > >> > > >> Apache Commons is an Apache project focused on all aspects of reusable > > Java > > >> components. As such, the components maintained by the Apache Commons > > >> project > > >> may be of interest to a variety of other Apache projects. > > >> > > >> The Apache Commons community would like to invite you to share and > > maintain > > >> useful code. > > >> > > >> While Apache Commons is a Commit-Then-Review community, we would > > consider > > >> it polite and helpful for contributors to announce their intentions > and > > >> plans on the dev mailing list [1] before committing code. > > >> > > >> > > >> Have fun, > > >> > > >> Benedikt Ritter, > > >> on behalf of the Apache Commons Community > > >> > > >> [1] http://commons.apache.org/mail-lists.html > > >> > > >> -- > > >> http://people.apache.org/~britter/ > > >> http://www.systemoutprintln.de/ > > >> http://twitter.com/BenediktRitter > > >> http://github.com/britter > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Luciano Resende > > > http://people.apache.org/~lresende > > > http://twitter.com/lresende1975 > > > http://lresende.blogspot.com/ > > > > >
Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal
I agree with Daniel that (several) ASF pages could do with an overhaul to make them more up-to-date regarding usebility and functionality. This is inline with what I said earlier in a thread in this mailing list (see: http://community.markmail.org/message/a73m7slgtqtso3gs?q=list:org%2Eapache%2Ecommunity%2Edev+from:%22Pierre+Smits%22+ofbiz), with regards how OFBiz could support the ASF. Think managing the projects, their contributors and the PMC, as well as iCLA and CCL registration, etc. See also the online storage of a presentation of a mockup that I communicated earlier, via this link: http://www.slideshare.net/pierresmits/ofbiz-4-the-asf Such screens as are proposed by Daniel could be integrated. With regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com/>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > Hi folks, > I was having a conversation with Rich (Bowen) some weeks ago, and the > sentiment was that our projects page ( projects.apache.org < > http://projects.apache.org> ) could use a big overhaul. It's outdated, > not very user friendly, doesn't really compile the data into anything > useful (mostly just displays "raw" data) and it's difficult to navigate (no > search abilities, no actual overviews). > > Therefore, I propose that the community development project takes over > this project from Infra, which has no interest in continuing/maintaining > it, and revamps it with both a new site design and a new LDAP/JSON-based > information system which would enable people to edit their project details > online without having to upload/change RDF files when something happens. > This would also mean that everything could be rendered in the browser > instead of relying on daily cron jobs to compile the page, and also allow > us to add some inspiring/interesting graphical charts and > overviews/timelines. > > I have been working on a proposal that follows these ideas, which is > available for preview at http://projects.apache.pw/ for those interested. > Only the first two tabs in the menu currently work (and the extensive > search feature), but that is still most of what the old site has and then > some. I am pondering on moving some of the front page stuff to the > 'Timelines' tab instead, feedback is appreciated on this. > > So, comments, feedback, questions, anything is most welcome, especially > comments on whether you: > 1) think comdev should be responsible for the projects directory > 2) think the proposal looks good/swell/nifty/whatever. > > A few notes on the search feature: > - You can search for virtually anything within a project, types, > languages, descriptions, bug-trackers etc > - Try typing your committer ID or Apache ID into the box, and it will show > all projects you are a part of > > If there is consensus for moving this into comdev framework and > collaborating on this, I will commit the proposal to a sub-folder in the > comdev svn repository and ask infra for a VM where we can set this up. > > With regards, > Daniel. > > > With regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com/>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com
Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal
Rich, Every change has impact. Depending on what the ASF wants to achieve more or less effort is involved. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > On 01/14/2015 08:28 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: > >> I agree with Daniel that (several) ASF pages could do with an overhaul to >> make them more up-to-date regarding usebility and functionality. >> >> This is inline with what I said earlier in a thread in this mailing list >> (see: >> http://community.markmail.org/message/a73m7slgtqtso3gs?q= >> list:org%2Eapache%2Ecommunity%2Edev+from:%22Pierre+Smits%22+ofbiz), >> with regards how OFBiz could support the ASF. Think managing the projects, >> their contributors and the PMC, as well as iCLA and CCL registration, etc. >> > > > That strikes me as a HUGE amount of data re-entry work. > > > >> See also the online storage of a presentation of a mockup that I >> communicated earlier, via this link: >> http://www.slideshare.net/pierresmits/ofbiz-4-the-asf >> >> Such screens as are proposed by Daniel could be integrated. >> >> With regards, >> >> Pierre Smits >> >> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com/>* >> >> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >> Based Manufacturing, Professional >> Services and Retail & Trade >> http://www.orrtiz.com >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Daniel Gruno >> wrote: >> >> Hi folks, >>> I was having a conversation with Rich (Bowen) some weeks ago, and the >>> sentiment was that our projects page ( projects.apache.org < >>> http://projects.apache.org> ) could use a big overhaul. It's outdated, >>> not very user friendly, doesn't really compile the data into anything >>> useful (mostly just displays "raw" data) and it's difficult to navigate >>> (no >>> search abilities, no actual overviews). >>> >>> Therefore, I propose that the community development project takes over >>> this project from Infra, which has no interest in continuing/maintaining >>> it, and revamps it with both a new site design and a new LDAP/JSON-based >>> information system which would enable people to edit their project >>> details >>> online without having to upload/change RDF files when something happens. >>> This would also mean that everything could be rendered in the browser >>> instead of relying on daily cron jobs to compile the page, and also allow >>> us to add some inspiring/interesting graphical charts and >>> overviews/timelines. >>> >>> I have been working on a proposal that follows these ideas, which is >>> available for preview at http://projects.apache.pw/ for those >>> interested. >>> Only the first two tabs in the menu currently work (and the extensive >>> search feature), but that is still most of what the old site has and then >>> some. I am pondering on moving some of the front page stuff to the >>> 'Timelines' tab instead, feedback is appreciated on this. >>> >>> So, comments, feedback, questions, anything is most welcome, especially >>> comments on whether you: >>> 1) think comdev should be responsible for the projects directory >>> 2) think the proposal looks good/swell/nifty/whatever. >>> >>> A few notes on the search feature: >>> - You can search for virtually anything within a project, types, >>> languages, descriptions, bug-trackers etc >>> - Try typing your committer ID or Apache ID into the box, and it will >>> show >>> all projects you are a part of >>> >>> If there is consensus for moving this into comdev framework and >>> collaborating on this, I will commit the proposal to a sub-folder in the >>> comdev svn repository and ask infra for a VM where we can set this up. >>> >>> With regards, >>> Daniel. >>> >>> >>> >>> With regards, >> >> Pierre Smits >> >> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com/>* >> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >> Based Manufacturing, Professional >> Services and Retail & Trade >> http://www.orrtiz.com >> >> > > -- > Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen > http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon >
Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal
Daniel, Previous data = data. Data can be imported Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 2:36 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > Replies in-line > On 2015-01-14 14:28, Pierre Smits wrote: > >> I agree with Daniel that (several) ASF pages could do with an overhaul to >> make them more up-to-date regarding usebility and functionality. >> >> This is inline with what I said earlier in a thread in this mailing list >> (see: >> http://community.markmail.org/message/a73m7slgtqtso3gs?q= >> list:org%2Eapache%2Ecommunity%2Edev+from:%22Pierre+Smits%22+ofbiz), >> with regards how OFBiz could support the ASF. Think managing the projects, >> their contributors and the PMC, as well as iCLA and CCL registration, etc. >> > I don't think ICLA/CCLA is going to change anytime soon, that's something > that would require board agreement and much more, not to mention a whole > lot of paperwork being redone (some 5,000 agreements to be entered into the > system manually) > >> See also the online storage of a presentation of a mockup that I >> communicated earlier, via this link: >> http://www.slideshare.net/pierresmits/ofbiz-4-the-asf >> > I can definitely see the advantages here, but also the disadvantages, > namely that we would have to resubmit every bit of information, and unless > you have a month or more worth of free time to devote yourself to this, > this is simply not going to happen. What I have proposed is a sort of > middle ground, where all the previous data is kept intact (converted to > JSON) and can then be edited if need be. I like your idea, I just don't > think it's possible to do it with what we have available and what people > are willing to redo. Thus, I am proposing we instead simply use what we > already have, but change how it is presented and edited. > >> >> Such screens as are proposed by Daniel could be integrated. >> >> With regards, >> >> Pierre Smits >> >> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com/>* >> >> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >> Based Manufacturing, Professional >> Services and Retail & Trade >> http://www.orrtiz.com >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Daniel Gruno >> wrote: >> >> Hi folks, >>> I was having a conversation with Rich (Bowen) some weeks ago, and the >>> sentiment was that our projects page ( projects.apache.org < >>> http://projects.apache.org> ) could use a big overhaul. It's outdated, >>> not very user friendly, doesn't really compile the data into anything >>> useful (mostly just displays "raw" data) and it's difficult to navigate >>> (no >>> search abilities, no actual overviews). >>> >>> Therefore, I propose that the community development project takes over >>> this project from Infra, which has no interest in continuing/maintaining >>> it, and revamps it with both a new site design and a new LDAP/JSON-based >>> information system which would enable people to edit their project >>> details >>> online without having to upload/change RDF files when something happens. >>> This would also mean that everything could be rendered in the browser >>> instead of relying on daily cron jobs to compile the page, and also allow >>> us to add some inspiring/interesting graphical charts and >>> overviews/timelines. >>> >>> I have been working on a proposal that follows these ideas, which is >>> available for preview at http://projects.apache.pw/ for those >>> interested. >>> Only the first two tabs in the menu currently work (and the extensive >>> search feature), but that is still most of what the old site has and then >>> some. I am pondering on moving some of the front page stuff to the >>> 'Timelines' tab instead, feedback is appreciated on this. >>> >>> So, comments, feedback, questions, anything is most welcome, especially >>> comments on whether you: >>> 1) think comdev should be responsible for the projects directory >>> 2) think the proposal looks good/swell/nifty/whatever. >>> >>> A few notes on the search feature: >>> - You can search for virtually anything within a project, types, >>> languages, descriptions, bug-trackers etc >>> - Try typing your committer ID or Apache ID into the box, and it will >>> show >>> all projects you are a part of >>> >>> If there is consensus for moving this into comdev framework and >>> collaborating on this, I will commit the proposal to a sub-folder in the >>> comdev svn repository and ask infra for a VM where we can set this up. >>> >>> With regards, >>> Daniel. >>> >>> >>> >>> With regards, >> >> Pierre Smits >> >> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com/>* >> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >> Based Manufacturing, Professional >> Services and Retail & Trade >> http://www.orrtiz.com >> >> >
Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal
Why don't we create an improvement issue in the JIRA of comdev to track issues regarding this proposal. That will ensure that everything regarding requirements, suggestions, approaches etc is registered in one place and (amongst others) sub-tasks can be registered to track progress. Regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > On 01/14/2015 06:48 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> I was having a conversation with Rich (Bowen) some weeks ago, and the >> sentiment was that our projects page ( projects.apache.org >> <http://projects.apache.org> ) could use a big overhaul. It's outdated, >> not very user friendly, doesn't really compile the data into anything >> useful (mostly just displays "raw" data) and it's difficult to navigate >> (no search abilities, no actual overviews). >> >> Therefore, I propose that the community development project takes over >> this project from Infra, which has no interest in continuing/maintaining >> it, and revamps it with both a new site design and a new LDAP/JSON-based >> information system which would enable people to edit their project >> details online without having to upload/change RDF files when something >> happens. This would also mean that everything could be rendered in the >> browser instead of relying on daily cron jobs to compile the page, and >> also allow us to add some inspiring/interesting graphical charts and >> overviews/timelines. >> >> I have been working on a proposal that follows these ideas, which is >> available for preview at http://projects.apache.pw/ for those >> interested. Only the first two tabs in the menu currently work (and the >> extensive search feature), but that is still most of what the old site >> has and then some. I am pondering on moving some of the front page stuff >> to the 'Timelines' tab instead, feedback is appreciated on this. >> > > This is really cool stuff, and answers many of the questions that I go > hunting for every time I do a presentation about the ASF. I'm *sure* I'll > have feature requests going forward. > > >> So, comments, feedback, questions, anything is most welcome, especially >> comments on whether you: >> 1) think comdev should be responsible for the projects directory >> 2) think the proposal looks good/swell/nifty/whatever. >> >> > So, one thing you don't appear to mention ... what language is this all > written in. My biggest concern with this is that it, like the first > generation projects.a.o, might end up being another single-developer, > single-maintainer site, and thus end up being unmaintained in short order. > We want to avoid that. > > > A few notes on the search feature: >> - You can search for virtually anything within a project, types, >> languages, descriptions, bug-trackers etc >> - Try typing your committer ID or Apache ID into the box, and it will >> show all projects you are a part of >> >> If there is consensus for moving this into comdev framework and >> collaborating on this, I will commit the proposal to a sub-folder in the >> comdev svn repository and ask infra for a VM where we can set this up. >> > > +1 to moving this into comdev svn, but I do want to hear an answer to the > above question. (Yes, I know, you've discussed this with me in IRC, but I'd > like to have details on the record so that other people can step up and > say, hey, I can do that!) > > > > -- > Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen > http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon >
Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal
See inline, On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > >> First off, comdev needs to officially accept the task of maintaining the > site. It is currently maintained by infra, which has no interest in running > it. > > Which internal organisation of the ASF takes ownership of the solutions delivering the information/data is debatable, and that discussion should - IMO - reside within the board. But I agree that comdev contributors can help with sharing experiences and insight so the board can make a well founded decision regarding that topic. On the subject of the thread, comdev can help with identifying requirements (functional and technical), constraints with respect to resources, and more. > Secondly, I think we need to figure out which proposal we are going to run > with for now, and then we can set up a JIRA ticket or three to track > progress. We shouldn't turn JIRA into a discussion/voting tool when email > works out really well. No need to reinvent the wheel. > This is not about reinventing the wheel. More about which wheel to use. Both have advantages and disadvantages. > > With regards, > Daniel. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com/>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com
Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal
Indeed, an integrated approach and subsequent solution could help in delivering information in a unified way and reduce resource consumption. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Daniel Gruno > wrote: > > ...The site itself is 100% static HTML+JavaScript, I haven't added any > arcane > > Lua/PHP/whatever scripts to it ;) > > Oh no...it's not really ASF if it doesn't have arcane stuff in it that > no one can maintain after a few months ;-) > > Big thanks for your work Daniel, this looks cool! > > IIUC you're getting most or all of the data from LDAP? Getting rid of > our scattered inconsistent sources of information about our projects > would be fantastic. > > -Bertrand >
Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal
Like INFRA is expected to host/support svn instances, etc. All dependant on the requirements of the ASF. OFBiz is the open source business enablement suite of the ASF (the works - as a result of the project being an ASF), though primarily advertised as an ERP/E-Commerce solution by the project. What kind of requirements do think about when considering 'that any ComDev member who wants to help out needs to learn OfBiz'? You are thinking of how to use it? Or are your thoughts tending towards development? Prior to creating the presentation ( http://www.slideshare.net/pierresmits/ofbiz-4-the-asf) I created a new 'community' application working out the PoC and functionality approaches and that was done easily. As easy was converting some of the publicly available data regarding projects and persons and importing it. And that I used to get the screenshots used in the presentation. Yes, OFBiz can also be used for and within other functions/domains of the ASF. As was raised in the recent past regarding fund raising and the book store. But also regarding the tracking and tracing of the promotional materials of the ASF to 3rd party event organisers. How it is used within the ASF is up to the board and its committees. You seem to be suggesting in your last sentence that OFBiz (within the ASF) should be used for the unstructured information and the associated processes of the ASF. For sure, there are other solutions available within the ASF portfolio that cater such requirements better. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 4:36 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) < ross.gard...@microsoft.com> wrote: > This requires that infra maintain a running instance of OfBiz and that any > ComDev member who wants to help out needs to learn OfBiz. Have you > consulted with infra? Can ComDev members be expected to learn OfBiz in > order to make a small tweak? > > It seems to me that whilst the extra functionality discussed here would be > very valuable there is a much steeper path to build g something > maintainable. > > I'd like to see approach this as a separate proposal from > projects.apache.org work. OFbiz is likely to be useful to the Board and > various foundation commitees and for this reason I don't see ComDev as > being the right home or projects.apache.org being the right target. > > As I said when you originally raised this I would recommend focusing on a > committee that tracks other data, data that is not currently well > structured. Trademarks, media, fundraising and whimsy.apache.org are all > examples. > > Ross > > > > Sent from my Windows Phone
Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal
Though it might appear that my contributions in this thread visavis the OFBiz aspect may look like adversity towards deployment on comdev svn so the comdev community can work on it, I am +1 Regards Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 6:53 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) < ross.gard...@microsoft.com> wrote: > Daniel, > > There is no "assuming" just do it :-) > > You have a number of ComDev PMC members saying +1, and you are a PMC > member yourself. Let's have the code where we can start working on it and > let's get it to feature parity with projects.apache.org ASAP. I agree > with Rich that there is value in this already. > > This is not to exclude the much broader OfBiz proposal, but it looks to me > like this solution is close to being ready to go as a replacement for > projects.apache.org and I already see some simple improvements I can make > in a coffee break at work :-) > > Ross > > -Original Message- > From: Daniel Gruno [mailto:humbed...@apache.org] > Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2015 9:43 AM > To: dev@community.apache.org > Subject: Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal > > > On 2015-01-14 18:37, Jacques Le Roux wrote: > > Just as a note for the sake of truth, OFBiz has Content component > > http://projects.apache.pw/projects.html?category#content > > http://ofbiz.apache.org/doap_OFBiz.rdf disagrees ;-) but, assuming this > gets accepted into comdev, you needn't worry about doap files any longer, > as you will be able to edit it online instead. > > With regards, > Daniel. > > > > > I very like what I saw, kudos! > > > > Jacques > > > > Le 14/01/2015 12:48, Daniel Gruno a écrit : > >> Hi folks, > >> I was having a conversation with Rich (Bowen) some weeks ago, and the > >> sentiment was that our projects page ( projects.apache.org > >> <http://projects.apache.org> ) could use a big overhaul. It's > >> outdated, not very user friendly, doesn't really compile the data > >> into anything useful (mostly just displays "raw" data) and it's > >> difficult to navigate (no search abilities, no actual overviews). > >> > >> Therefore, I propose that the community development project takes > >> over this project from Infra, which has no interest in > >> continuing/maintaining it, and revamps it with both a new site design > >> and a new LDAP/JSON-based information system which would enable > >> people to edit their project details online without having to > >> upload/change RDF files when something happens. This would also mean > >> that everything could be rendered in the browser instead of relying > >> on daily cron jobs to compile the page, and also allow us to add some > >> inspiring/interesting graphical charts and overviews/timelines. > >> > >> I have been working on a proposal that follows these ideas, which is > >> available for preview at http://projects.apache.pw/ for those > >> interested. Only the first two tabs in the menu currently work (and > >> the extensive search feature), but that is still most of what the old > >> site has and then some. I am pondering on moving some of the front > >> page stuff to the 'Timelines' tab instead, feedback is appreciated on > >> this. > >> > >> So, comments, feedback, questions, anything is most welcome, > >> especially comments on whether you: > >> 1) think comdev should be responsible for the projects directory > >> 2) think the proposal looks good/swell/nifty/whatever. > >> > >> A few notes on the search feature: > >> - You can search for virtually anything within a project, types, > >> languages, descriptions, bug-trackers etc > >> - Try typing your committer ID or Apache ID into the box, and it will > >> show all projects you are a part of > >> > >> If there is consensus for moving this into comdev framework and > >> collaborating on this, I will commit the proposal to a sub-folder in > >> the comdev svn repository and ask infra for a VM where we can set > >> this up. > >> > >> With regards, > >> Daniel. > >> > >> > >> > >
Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal
You are correct. And I am aware that budgets are limitied. But I don't what the budget will be nor decide where the money of the ASF flows. I can only ask for some of it regarding a project. And even then, I won't consider doing so for something that could be perceived as a pet project of Pierre Smits. If ASF offices do want an OFBiz implementation to work with, maybe they should go ahead and involve both INFRA and the OFBiz community. I understand the concerns. I myself have them as well when dealing with volunteer organisations. But - and apparently - the ASF has this solved regarding the INFRA office. The same could be worked out for the other solutions and/or services it needs to have in place. You just need to ask the right questions to the right people. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) < ross.gard...@microsoft.com> wrote: > Maintaining servers costs money. Money has to come from somewhere and has > to be budgeted. We can't just drop a new demand on infra without discussing > it with them and ensuring they have the capacity. > > In terms of maintenance of the result Im thinking who makes the changes we > need as requirements change over time? Somebody needs to be responsible for > that and we need to be sure it is sustainable. The easier it is to maintain > the easier it is to find someone willing to do it. > > As for my suggestion for OfBiz to be applied to operational area of the > foundation I said "currently unstructured" that is the information is in > ad-hoc spreadsheets and mailing lists. OfBiz is, as far as I'm aware, > designed for the kinds of functions I listed. > > Sent from my Windows Phone > >
Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal
Like some have expressed in earlier messages in this thread this endeavour could take up some time. Especially when requirements are not clear. And let's not forget, the OFBiz community volunteers their effort to get to a better OFBiz product. They have the tools in place for that. If the ASF wants something on top of that from the OFBIz community it needs to be asked there (their mailing lists). Not here. Even if it is assistance with prototyping a Proof of Concept. Apart from that, as the building blocks of OFBiz don't use exotic constructs (it is java, xml, ftl, groovy, when talking languages) I surmise an ASF Azure box can suffice. If concessions regarding data storage are acceptable (integrated derby in stead of external RDBMS) for such a PoC.. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 10:30 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > I’m way outside my area of knowledge, but is there anything stopping the > OFBiz community from getting an ASF Azure box and trying to prototype > something? > > -Alex > > On 1/14/15, 10:46 AM, "Pierre Smits" wrote: > > >You are correct. And I am aware that budgets are limitied. But I don't > >what > >the budget will be nor decide where the money of the ASF flows. I can only > >ask for some of it regarding a project. And even then, I won't consider > >doing so for something that could be perceived as a pet project of Pierre > >Smits. If ASF offices do want an OFBiz implementation to work with, maybe > >they should go ahead and involve both INFRA and the OFBiz community. > > > >I understand the concerns. I myself have them as well when dealing with > >volunteer organisations. But - and apparently - the ASF has this solved > >regarding the INFRA office. The same could be worked out for the other > >solutions and/or services it needs to have in place. > > > >You just need to ask the right questions to the right people. > > > >Best regards, > > > >Pierre Smits > > > >*ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > >Services & Solutions for Cloud- > >Based Manufacturing, Professional > >Services and Retail & Trade > >http://www.orrtiz.com > > > >On Wed, Jan 14, 2015 at 5:34 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) < > >ross.gard...@microsoft.com> wrote: > > > >> Maintaining servers costs money. Money has to come from somewhere and > >>has > >> to be budgeted. We can't just drop a new demand on infra without > >>discussing > >> it with them and ensuring they have the capacity. > >> > >> In terms of maintenance of the result Im thinking who makes the changes > >>we > >> need as requirements change over time? Somebody needs to be responsible > >>for > >> that and we need to be sure it is sustainable. The easier it is to > >>maintain > >> the easier it is to find someone willing to do it. > >> > >> As for my suggestion for OfBiz to be applied to operational area of the > >> foundation I said "currently unstructured" that is the information is in > >> ad-hoc spreadsheets and mailing lists. OfBiz is, as far as I'm aware, > >> designed for the kinds of functions I listed. > >> > >> Sent from my Windows Phone > >> > >> > >
Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal
See inline. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 12:42 AM, Alex Harui wrote: > I was probing the notion that it might be to the advantage of the OFBiz > community to just volunteer something instead of being asked. To the best of my knowledge, the persons in the OFBiz community are volunteering. > Maybe the > folks on this list know the other Apache projects better than I do, but I > wouldn’t even know what to ask for. > Asking the first thing that comes to your mind will get you answers. Might not be the right ones, though. ;-) > > The project I’m involved in, Apache Flex, might also have the technology > to improve a lot of things at the ASF. Once the code I’m working on gets > to a certain point, if I need more customers and want to test out the “eat > your own dog food” principle, I may start offering replacements to some of > the web experiences we have at the ASF. I tend to agree. But you have the operators wrong. You are talking about yourself testing the 'eat your own dogfood' principle. That is different to 'having someone else eat/test your dogfood'. That means you have to solicit the willingness of others. And when there is no willingness offered and you keep trying to push it down the throat of the other, the result you get is not something you want. In the case of the works of an ASF project for the ASF (the other), you'll need - beside the willingness of the other - assistance/support from the third party (INFRA, or someone else) regarding the provisioning of hardware, etc . Unless you have unlimited resources yourself in that area. Here in The Netherlands we have this saying 'The road to hell is paved with good intentions'. I surmise, we can all recant the stories of the good intentions abandoned and the effort these required to clean up the left overs. How that eats into the areas with constraints (money, time, etc). So it is better to investigate the potential success rate before endorsing the resources you have control over. If I can run a live PoC, it will > make it much easier to sell and focus the conversation and maybe even > garner more contributors. And even if the ASF rejects it, I will have > learned something in the process. For sure, I will meter the effort I put > into it accordingly so it isn’t a huge deal if it doesn’t get adopted. > > Apart from the exchange of theoretical deliberations in this thread, there are connections established between offices of the ASF and (a) third party(ies) providing OFBiz services regarding exploration whether OFBiz can be utilised with respect to some of the processes of those offices. And OFBiz volunteers have offered their assistance.
Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal
Maybe we should considering changing the subject as this seems bigger than just an overhaul of one of the front ends of the ASF? Yes, it all has to do with the ROI (the benefits at large vs the costs) for the ASF. And such need to be determined regarding the future, not the present day or the past. The time that the ASF was a one project endeavour has past, and the importance of the foundation in the umfeld is growing day by day. People are turning more and more to the ASF with requests to host their open source projects. This all leads to more demand on solutions and services provided by INFRA. But also on our offices. More people/projects involved means more work on the heads in Brand Management, Legal, Communications, Secretary, etc. And these offices also use solutions/services of INFRA and/or third parties. Thus, any decision of this kind is should be taken must be weighed with the future - the 5 year view - of the ASF and its offices in mind. So, what are the future demands on our offices? And how does that impact the solutions and services rendered by INFRA, and/or third parties? To what budget requirements will the availability of those (future) solutions and services lead, with the use of current setup? Can costs be saved by rethinking that setup and replacing it by something else, and do the projected savings outweigh the projected cost of change? Such questions must be considered regularly, because there is no guarantee that current influx of funds will be the same or even increase equally with the increase of needs/wants and pleasures of offices and projects and inherently the cost associated to all that. And then we can make the proper decisions. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > ...*historically*, when this kind of thing has happened (project > implements, > > thing becomes critical), gradually it becomes the responsibility of > Infra, > > not of the project, to do ongoing maintenance > > Yes, this is why I'm reluctant to encourage any initiative that > requires our infrastructure team to support new tools. And I suspect > infra shares that reluctance ;-) > > That being said, it's always a question of benefits vs. costs - but if > a simple thing using technologies that every web developer is supposed > to know works the choice is a no-brainer for me. > > -Bertrand >
Re: projects.apache.org overhaul proposal
To put that last sentence in a more positive manner: The future looks bright and is multi-coloured! But it is shrouded in layers of mists. Unfortunately, so is the future influx of funds. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Pierre Smits wrote: > Maybe we should considering changing the subject as this seems bigger than > just an overhaul of one of the front ends of the ASF? > > Yes, it all has to do with the ROI (the benefits at large vs the costs) > for the ASF. And such need to be determined regarding the future, not the > present day or the past. The time that the ASF was a one project endeavour > has past, and the importance of the foundation in the umfeld is growing day > by day. People are turning more and more to the ASF with requests to host > their open source projects. > > This all leads to more demand on solutions and services provided by INFRA. > But also on our offices. More people/projects involved means more work on > the heads in Brand Management, Legal, Communications, Secretary, etc. And > these offices also use solutions/services of INFRA and/or third parties. > > Thus, any decision of this kind is should be taken must be weighed with > the future - the 5 year view - of the ASF and its offices in mind. > > So, what are the future demands on our offices? And how does that impact > the solutions and services rendered by INFRA, and/or third parties? To what > budget requirements will the availability of those (future) solutions and > services lead, with the use of current setup? Can costs be saved by > rethinking that setup and replacing it by something else, and do the > projected savings outweigh the projected cost of change? > > Such questions must be considered regularly, because there is no guarantee > that current influx of funds will be the same or even increase equally with > the increase of needs/wants and pleasures of offices and projects and > inherently the cost associated to all that. And then we can make the proper > decisions. > > Best regards, > > > Pierre Smits > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > Based Manufacturing, Professional > Services and Retail & Trade > http://www.orrtiz.com > > On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz < > bdelacre...@apache.org> wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: >> > ...*historically*, when this kind of thing has happened (project >> implements, >> > thing becomes critical), gradually it becomes the responsibility of >> Infra, >> > not of the project, to do ongoing maintenance >> >> Yes, this is why I'm reluctant to encourage any initiative that >> requires our infrastructure team to support new tools. And I suspect >> infra shares that reluctance ;-) >> >> That being said, it's always a question of benefits vs. costs - but if >> a simple thing using technologies that every web developer is supposed >> to know works the choice is a no-brainer for me. >> >> -Bertrand >> > >
Re: Mailinglists - a tool from the 90s?
I believe we are forgoing the primary function of the mailing list solution (apart from the business requirements The ASF has defined, that led to the implementation of the solution). Its core function is to get a huge amount of messages out to an immensely large population in the shortest time possible. And I think the current setup proves its worth day in, day out. Having said that, I feel that the functionality on top of that is getting antiquated. The user experience regarding the ASF archives can be improved significantly. Think search and find. Think personalisation (my postings, filters etc when not subscribed to specific mailing lists). Think creating better insights regarding the health of the projects and projection of future loads. But also with respect to email address harvesting by third party setups. I do believe that we have the solutions in our projects for such improvements, and smart people therein being able to define the requirements and a potential solution. From thereon it is the matter of getting acceptance and if so, budget planning etc... If we were to embark on such a journey we are talking mid to long term sustainability of the ASF and its projects, but also cost and duration of change. And all needs to be factored in. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > On 01/18/2015 08:18 AM, jan i wrote: > >> Hi. >> >> I don´t like github/gitlab but agree it has advantages and disadvantages >> to >> mailing lists. >> One of the biggest and most important disadvantage is that not all >> projects >> use git and even less use github >> (even though admitted the number is climbing). >> >> I too find mailing lists outdated. Personally I favor forums, that offers >> the same as a mailing list, >> but do not require that I keep large archive on my computer just to be >> able >> to reply (a better version >> of markmail where I could reply, would really help here). >> >> I do think it is important that we keep the history, I have often searched >> in the archives for old discussions, >> but a forum offers that too. >> >> I would any day skip mailing lists, for a media that offers: >> - online archives, which allows us to send mails without breaking threads >> - is independent of any version control system (we discuss a lot of things >> not related to sources) >> - can replace all mailing list, focus here is on the private lists and >> foundation lists. >> >> Going away from mailing lists, would also mean not spending bandwidth on >> sending tons of email every day, might make some of the other services >> faster. >> > > > I've recently spoken with a number of people about HyperKitty, which is an > attempt to merge mailing list with forum. You use the interface that works > best for you - it's a traditional mailing list, but it has a slick web > forum front end if that's what you prefer. > > Unfortunately, it's part of MailMan3, which is not yet released, so it's > not something we want to rely on. But something like that may be an option > in the very near future, and give us the best of both worlds. > > See https://lists.stg.fedoraproject.org/archives/ for a demo. > > > -- > Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen > http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon >
Re: [VOTE] Apache Flex SDK 4.14.0 RC1
Hi Justin, It seems like you have sent the email to the wrong mailing list. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 1:17 AM, Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry -1 binding due to LICENSE/NOTICE issues, locale issue and the RSL > issue > > I checked (on OSX): > - md5 and signatures correct > - LICENSE and NOTICE have issues ( see below) > - No unexpected binaries in source > - All source files have Apache headers > - Can compile from source > - Can create a usable SDK > - Simple desktop, mobile and browser apps work > - Simple desktop RSL app fails to work with error: > Error #2032: Stream Error. URL: file:///Users/justinmclean/Documents/Adobe > Flash Builder 4.6/SimpleRSLTest/bin-debug/textLayout_20150121.swf > Looks like the file is question is named "textLayout_4.14.0.20150121.swf" > not the expected "textLayout_20150121.swf". > > I'm yet to test any of the new mobile skins, flat theme or new component. > > The source LICENSE file is missing a few things I think: > > Noticed this (and variations of): > This is SVG, a language for describing two-dimensional graphics in XML. > Copyright 2001, 2002 W3C (MIT, INRIA, Keio), All Rights Reserved. > > In these files: > > modules/thirdparty/batik/resources/org/apache/flex/forks/batik/dom/svg/resources/*.mod > > modules/thirdparty/batik/resources/org/apache/flex/forks/batik/dom/svg/resources/*.dtd > > And this "Copyright (c) 1999 World Wide Web Consortium" in: > modules/thirdparty/batik/sources/org/w3c/css/sac/LexicalUnit.java > > We have batik mentioned in NOTICE but I'm not sure that's correct (unless > license headers were also changed). Shouldn't we have the license pointers > in LICENSE instead as W3C licenses are permissive license? [1] The W3C > software and document licenses [2][3] don't require any thing added to > NOTICE as far as I can tell (not 100% sure) but do require a copy and/or > link to their LICENSE which we are not doing in the source package. > > Other stuff: > - During the build it prompts for OSMF which it doesn't need to. > - " ant -f installer.xml" doesn't respect locale and forces en_US > - The REAMDE section on dependancies needs a little fixing > - Missing CONTRIBUTORS file > - Suggest LICENSE.base, LICENSE.bin, NOTICE.asc, NOTICE.base, NOTICE.bin > either be moved out of the base directory so there or not included in the > source release no confusion re which license actually applies > - Missing windows version of adl and adt from bin directory this means the > SDK is not portable. This may be an issue to some people as discussed > previously on the list. > - Utils display wrong copyright year eg compc displays "Copyright 2014 The > Apache Software Foundation." > > Thanks, > Justin > > 1 http://www.apache.org/dev/licensing-howto.html#permissive-deps > 2. http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2002/copyright-software-20021231 > 3. > http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2002/copyright-documents-20021231.html > > >
Re: ApacheCon NA CFP closed
Sharan and I will go over the talks in the OFBiz track the coming few days, and will get back to everybody with the result. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 9:18 AM, Rich Bowen wrote: > Thanks so much for people that got their last-minute papers into the CFP > system. We currently have 235 proposals. It is still to be decided how many > tracks we're going to run, but 6 tracks would be (roughly) 108 talks, just > for reference. So we should be good. > > If you've volunteered to review, you can start any time. If you'd like to > review and aren't in the system yet, email C. Craig Ross < > c...@linuxfoundation.org> and ask to be added to the CFP review system, > and cc this list, so that we have some idea of who's being added to the > list. > > We have 2 weeks from today to get the talks (tentatively) scheduled and > notify speakers on the 14th, so there's a lot of work ahead of us. Thanks > in advance. > > -- > Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen > http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon >
Why the Apachecon (was Re: ApacheCon NA CFP closed)
We are discussing again, as it seems to me, what the purpose of the Apachecon is based on talks submitted. And why is that? It appears, at least to me as I have seen the discussions before, that the ASF misses a clear strategy regarding the event, why we do it and what the intended audience is. This should be fixed prior to opening the process for the next event (Apachecon EU 2015), because then it will be easier to communicate, easier to invite speakers (and yes, we should do that), and get everybody on board regarding helping out. Is the event to be considered as the bi-annual party for ourselves, where we can all (all the presenters) claim how good we (as the individual) are with the products of the various projects? Is it an promotion and networking event? Or is it something that sits somewhere in the middle? And how does it fit with the strategy and other activities of the ASF Offices and Projects? As soon as it is known what it is, we can investigate and define the target audiences and set up a plan to communicate with (our public information can be found in 20.700 pages found https://www.google.nl/search?sitesearch=apache.org&q=apachecon and the page listed first is related to the conference of 1998) , setup a plan to get the attracting talks in. And I presume, that will help increase the success of the event, the projects and the ASF. Now, I also surmise that we don't know the size of the potential audience. We talk about 500+ members, 5000+ committers. But we are forgetting the number of the other contributors (subscribers to dev@) participating in our projects and the followers of our products (subscribers to user@). These are also numbers we can use when promoting the event. Extrapolating the ratio of members vs committers we could say 50.000+ contributors and 500.000 followers. Communicating those numbers add to the importance of the event for sponsors, presenters and attendees. Let's face it: the event costs... It cost effort to organise, it uses precious ASF resources. And net-wise it should be beneficial to both the projects and the ASF regarding supporting the projects. Meaning adding to the budgets, or at least be cost neutral, and leading to more contributors to the projects. I must admit that I don't know the exact figures per event held (e.g. EU 2014, US 2013, EU and US 2012) and what has been learned and gained from each. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 9:52 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) < ross.gard...@microsoft.com> wrote: > There is nothing stopping LF from promoting the CFP. > > Ross > > Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. > A subsidiary of Microsoft Corporation > > -Original Message- > From: Phil Steitz [mailto:phil.ste...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2015 12:38 PM > To: dev@community.apache.org > Subject: Re: ApacheCon NA CFP closed > > On 2/2/15 11:47 AM, jan i wrote: > > On 2 February 2015 at 19:30, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > > >> Agreed! > >> > >> Also, after all is said and done, and Rich has some time to breathe, > >> I'd like to know just how helpful LF was this time around. From the > >> sidelines, it seems that they really didn't do an aggressive job > >> promoting the event and being a pro-active producer in trying to > >> drive speakers. > >> > > Being one who tries to do a little more than just help, I think we > > need to divide issues here. > > > > Content is our responsibility, as I believe it rightly should be, so > > finding and driving speakers is our part, of course with the help of LF. > > > > Promoting an event before the content is known is pretty hard and not > > very rewarding. The real (external) promotion start 14th February, > > when the schedule is in place (work which just started today). > > Right. One thing that might help would be to push back the CFP close > date, so there is more time between content selected and the event itself. > > Phil > > > > All that said, I believe in general we should look for ways to > > motivate our projects a lot more to participate (not only with talks, > > but also getting people to come). > > > > just my opinion > > rgds > > jan i. > > > > > >>> On Feb 2, 2015, at 11:11 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) < > >> ross.gard...@microsoft.com> wrote: > >>> Great job Rich, and those who helped. > >>> > >>> Sent from my Windows Phone > >>> > >>> From: Rich Bowen<mailto:rbo...@rcbowen.com> > >&g
Re: FOSDEM 2016
Had I known upfront it was held in Brussels and the last few days (yes, I had to look it up), I would have popped over as it is only an hour's drive away. Where will the next be held and when? Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > I just came back from FOSDEM. As always, it was a madhouse, but there was > some time for sane conversation. > > For those that weren't there, you should know that OpenOffice had a > presence there (as they always have), staffed by volunteers, with some swag > provided by the ASF, and other swag provided by the OpenOffice community, > out of their own pockets. They did an *awesome* job of representing both > AOO and the ASF as a whole. > > However, I think we can do better in 2016. I want to see Apache have a > table at FOSDEM 2016, representing more than just one project, with proper > respect to the historical position of AOO at the event - ie, not just > usurping their place there. > > Here are some thoughts from talking with folks (mostly Jan Iversen and > Daniel Gruno) at FOSDEM. > > * We would need to either have a separate table from AOO, or double the > size of the existing table, so that we don't eclipse their place there. > They've put *years* into developing a presence at FOSDEM, and we want to > respect that. > > * Table Staff: I figure it takes at least 6 people to staff a FOSDEM table > if you don't want to go insane. Daniel and Jan have said that they will > staff the table. So we're 1/3 of the way there. I would probably be > available for some time, but, like many of the folks that might otherwise > be willing to do time, I have work duties as well. Two people need to be > there at all times, and people should be willing to commit to specific time > windows. It would also be cool to have times scheduled for specific > projects. Like, say, 11:00 to 12:00 is Cordova Hour, and will have two > representatives of the project present to answer questions and give demos. > > * We need printed materials, as well as stickers/pins/whatever. Printed > materials should cover the ASF as a whole, as well as highlighting a > variety of projects. Individual projects who wish to be represented should > be encouraged to provide materials that we can print, but we don't want to > have too many projects with printed materials - that would be overwhelming. > We need to provide a template (in AOO, of course) that a project can fill > in with their project-specific content to produce a consistent one-page, or > tri-fold, or whatever, that could be printed for the event. We don't want > twenty different-looking documents. We are trying to present a brand. > (Right, Shane?) > > * A tshirt would be nice - the word-cloud of project names we discussed a > year or two ago would be cool. There's several thousand people in > attendance, and this is an opportunity to get the Foundation's name in > front of a really important, and hugely diverse, audience. So having a > cool, eye-catching tshirt is a cheap, easy way to do that. > > So, if you are interested in being part of this effort, please speak up. > This won't happen if I'm in charge of it, but I wanted to throw it out > there and see if it catches anyone. I presume that Jan will take the lead > on this, but I'm the one that took notes. I'm also aware that we tend to > have a lot of passion about this kind of thing for a moment, and then it > fades as the event recedes into the past. But something like this takes > time, effort, money, and grunt work to make it happen. > > > -- > Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen > http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon >
Re: Why the Apachecon (was Re: ApacheCon NA CFP closed)
I guess, a couple of thousand attendees would make a lot of parties happy. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Pierre Smits > wrote: > > > Let's face it: the event costs... It cost effort to organise, it uses > > precious ASF resources. And net-wise it should be beneficial to both the > > projects and the ASF regarding supporting the projects. Meaning adding to > > the budgets, or at least be cost neutral, and leading to more > contributors > > to the projects. > > Sorry for nitpicking (although I welcome you raising the question), but > ApacheCon doesn't need to "be cost neutral". "Cost is what you Pay, Value > is what you Get.", so as long as we "Get" more than we "Pay", it is a Win > for the Foundation. Now, what "Get" includes can be hard to define in > dollar terms (unlike the "Pay" part). > > My view of ApacheCon goals; > > - Community Face Time!!! I have only attended two conferences (distance > plays a huge factor for me), but those are unforgettable days. People are > much different in real life, and we get along remarkably well. > > - Hackathon - talk project, new ideas, hack on bugs (bugathon), discuss > collaborations across projects, seek advice from some project expert, and > all that good jazz. Don't know a community? Just sit down and strike up a > conversation... Build lasting relationships, sign PGP keys. > > - Educate "Management". On licensing, on adoption "Use --> Modify --> > Contribute", on Non-profit Org status and tax breaks, on sponsorship > programs and so on. Corporations can contribute more resources, IF they are > aware of the value it brings. > > - Industry Use-cases. People like to hear about someone else did > something, and what were the results. "We changed from 200 MySQL servers to > Cassandra. Here is what we like, and here are what we had problems with." > kind of presentations always inspires others in similar situations. > > - Apache Content to Developers. All the classic project presentations. > IMHO, this shouldn't be more than 50% of all activities. > > - Innovation. When smart people come together (with beer) innovation > happens (The crux is to remember the great stuff next morning.). Seriously > though, it should be possible to 'inspire' innovation some way, by creating > a marketplace and/or a nursery of (crazy) Ideas, and give those who "click" > on a given idea, the necessary space to run with it. Not entirely sure > about the mechanics, just a vague concept in the back of my head at the > moment. > > - Marketing. Apache needs marketing, and ApacheCon is a reason to contact > every technology firm within the catchment area. For some of us, we may use > this as an opportunity to meet potential customers or strengthen ties with > existing ones. > > > Personally, I think ApacheCon should be moving towards a brighter future. > Apache is home of ~200 projects, many of which are exciting and fresh. This > should interest the public, and with a decent location and good marketing, > it should be impossible to drive record numbers to the Event. A couple of > thousand should be a reasonable goal, and if JavaZone in Norway can do that > on an all-volunteer basis, Apache should not set the goals too low. > > Hope to see you at ApacheCon "soon" > > Cheers > Niclas >
Re: FOSDEM 2016
Noted! Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:02 PM, jan i wrote: > On Wednesday, February 4, 2015, Pierre Smits > wrote: > > > Had I known upfront it was held in Brussels and the last few days (yes, I > > had to look it up), I would have popped over as it is only an hour's > drive > > away. > > > > Where will the next be held and when? > > > same place and time next year. > > rgds > jan i > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Pierre Smits > > > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > > Based Manufacturing, Professional > > Services and Retail & Trade > > http://www.orrtiz.com > > > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Rich Bowen > > wrote: > > > > > I just came back from FOSDEM. As always, it was a madhouse, but there > was > > > some time for sane conversation. > > > > > > For those that weren't there, you should know that OpenOffice had a > > > presence there (as they always have), staffed by volunteers, with some > > swag > > > provided by the ASF, and other swag provided by the OpenOffice > community, > > > out of their own pockets. They did an *awesome* job of representing > both > > > AOO and the ASF as a whole. > > > > > > However, I think we can do better in 2016. I want to see Apache have a > > > table at FOSDEM 2016, representing more than just one project, with > > proper > > > respect to the historical position of AOO at the event - ie, not just > > > usurping their place there. > > > > > > Here are some thoughts from talking with folks (mostly Jan Iversen and > > > Daniel Gruno) at FOSDEM. > > > > > > * We would need to either have a separate table from AOO, or double the > > > size of the existing table, so that we don't eclipse their place there. > > > They've put *years* into developing a presence at FOSDEM, and we want > to > > > respect that. > > > > > > * Table Staff: I figure it takes at least 6 people to staff a FOSDEM > > table > > > if you don't want to go insane. Daniel and Jan have said that they will > > > staff the table. So we're 1/3 of the way there. I would probably be > > > available for some time, but, like many of the folks that might > otherwise > > > be willing to do time, I have work duties as well. Two people need to > be > > > there at all times, and people should be willing to commit to specific > > time > > > windows. It would also be cool to have times scheduled for specific > > > projects. Like, say, 11:00 to 12:00 is Cordova Hour, and will have two > > > representatives of the project present to answer questions and give > > demos. > > > > > > * We need printed materials, as well as stickers/pins/whatever. Printed > > > materials should cover the ASF as a whole, as well as highlighting a > > > variety of projects. Individual projects who wish to be represented > > should > > > be encouraged to provide materials that we can print, but we don't want > > to > > > have too many projects with printed materials - that would be > > overwhelming. > > > We need to provide a template (in AOO, of course) that a project can > fill > > > in with their project-specific content to produce a consistent > one-page, > > or > > > tri-fold, or whatever, that could be printed for the event. We don't > want > > > twenty different-looking documents. We are trying to present a brand. > > > (Right, Shane?) > > > > > > * A tshirt would be nice - the word-cloud of project names we > discussed a > > > year or two ago would be cool. There's several thousand people in > > > attendance, and this is an opportunity to get the Foundation's name in > > > front of a really important, and hugely diverse, audience. So having a > > > cool, eye-catching tshirt is a cheap, easy way to do that. > > > > > > So, if you are interested in being part of this effort, please speak > up. > > > This won't happen if I'm in charge of it, but I wanted to throw it out > > > there and see if it catches anyone. I presume that Jan will take the > lead > > > on this, but I'm the one that took notes. I'm also aware that we tend > to > > > have a lot of passion about this kind of thing for a moment, and then > it > > > fades as the event recedes into the past. But something like this takes > > > time, effort, money, and grunt work to make it happen. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen > > > http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon > > > > > > > > -- > Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings. >
Re: ApacheCon NA CFP closed
That might be an idea to explore But remember, you need to investigate the potential before you can allocate square meters. And auctioning only works when demand is higher than supply. There are always capacity limits. Best regards Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > Regarding "commercial" or "advertising" presentations; Why should we reject > these outright? Why not allocate a track for corporations to present > whatever they like, in 20, 30 or 60 min blocks? And auction out those > slots. Either there is a market, or there is not... And/or combine them > with on-site sponsorship programs, of booths, give-aways and so on. > Stallman wouldn't do this, but we are said to be business-friendly, are we > not? > > Cheers > Niclas > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 10:27 PM, jan i wrote: > > > On Wednesday, February 4, 2015, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On 02/03/2015 04:11 AM, jan i wrote: > > > > > >> We should really make that clear to people, I strongly believe the > > general > > >> opinion is non-project talks are not welcome. I base this on the fact > > >> that > > >> a number of talks for Denver and Budapest was rejected for being too > > >> company like. > > >> > > >> When I started helping a year ago, I had ideas about having 2 tracks > (or > > >> the talks scattered around) > > >> - User (including companies) experiences with ASF projects > > >> - Companies presenting solutions based on ASF projects > > >> > > >> I quickly learned that that was not the purpose of ApacheCON, I am > very > > >> trilled if that is the way we want to go because that is a real way to > > get > > >> AC to grow again. > > >> > > > > > > For several years, we had a strong business track, where the > implications > > > of The Apache Way to business (legal, marketing, planning, community, > > > whatever) were discussed. This just took someone to step up and make it > > > happen. > > > > > > If someone comes to me tomorrow with a business track, complete with > > > content, we'll schedule it. Sally used to handle this, and with her > > > contacts was able to provide really strong content. There was indeed > > > resistance to this, because it's "not about Apache projects", but that > is > > > very open to interpretation, and, in the end, it strengthened the > > community > > > as a whole. > > > > > > Once we get ACNA scheduled I will talk with Sally and also come with > ideas > > for early (before/during CFP) press releases for ACEU. > > > > I am very convinced that a business track, will sell more tickets and > maybe > > also attract some new sponsors. > > > > rgds > > jan i > > > > > > > > But, we can't schedule talks that aren't submitted. > > > > > > > > > > > >> LF cannot market this message alone, they need clear public statements > > >> from > > >> us, that we want companies to come and present. I am convinced that if > > we > > >> (e.g. for ACEU) make early press releases about wanting companies to > > talk, > > >> tell it to LF, then we will be a lot more successful. > > >> > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > > > > >> If we just relax, and hope LF can lift that alone we will fail and > keep > > >> telling each other how great projects we have ( which happens to be > the > > >> truth, but maybe not the whole truth). > > >> > > > > > > Yep. If we keep talking to just ourselves, we'll ... keep talking to > just > > > ourselves. > > > > > > -- > > > Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen > > > http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from My iPad, sorry for any misspellings. > > > > > > -- > Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer > http://www.qi4j.org - New Energy for Java >
Re: FOSDEM 2016
Free/sponsored always goes a long way (See the list: https://fosdem.org/2015/about/sponsors/), so it leads to value for a lot of groups and individuals. Think recruiters, entrepreneurs, students, independent contractors. But also the sponsors (advertisers as well). Something the ASF could learn from? Share your input at: http://markmail.org/message/rwk6nh2i6lavianm Best regards: Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:11 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > On 02/04/2015 09:49 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: > >> Had I known upfront it was held in Brussels and the last few days (yes, I >> had to look it up), I would have popped over as it is only an hour's drive >> away. >> >> Where will the next be held and when? >> > > > Always first weekend of February, always in Brussels at the ULB ( > http://www.ulb.ac.be/) It is a two day (Sat, Sun) event, but there are > numerous events that orbit it, both before and after, both in Brussels and > in surrounding cities, so it is a VERY high-bandwidth time to be in the > area. > > Upwards of 4000 geeks in attendance. Very community focused (as opposed to > the corporate focus of may events like OSCON) and one of the oldest free > software events in the world - may be the oldest. Event is free. And there > are always lots of ASF people in attendance, although not usually wearing > their Apache 'hats'. > > > -- > Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen > http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon >
Re: Why the Apachecon (was Re: ApacheCon NA CFP closed)
Rich, There is no need to pick on OFBiz. I have organized the speakers for ACEU 2012, ACEU 2014 and together with Sharan interesting talks for ACNA 2015 are lined up. Each were/are full tracks. Again for ACNA2015 I experienced unwillingness upfron at some parties because of skewed cost/benefit ratios. Nevertheless, like for ACEU 2014 we have more talks for ACNA 2015 than space in a track. We even have input for a panel/Q&A session, that we are looking into. If you (or your assisting organisation) want sponsors for such tracks, I suggest you/the ASF run to the names you know and start asking. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > > > On 02/04/2015 03:42 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: > >> We are discussing again, as it seems to me, what the purpose of the >> Apachecon is based on talks submitted. And why is that? >> > > > For what it's worth, we have made a concerted effort for ACNA15 to ask > project communities to step up to make ApacheCon what they think it should > be. If a project wants a track (even now) and can provide the content for > it, we'll schedule it. > > If OFBiz, for example, wants to provide us with a track that has more the > focus that you think we should have at ApacheCon, make it happen, and we'll > schedule it. (I pick on OFBiz, at least in part, because they made a real > effort to do this exact thing in EU.) If that brings sponsors along with > it, all the better. > > The open CFP phase is over, but if someone brings me a track (n * 6 talks, > for an n day track), we'll make it happen. Within reason - in agreement > with Joe's comments else-thread, I'm not keen on running corporate > advertisements at ApacheCon. But if there are companies that are deeply > involved in an ASF project (as is the case at OFBiz), then, yeah, I'd love > to see their content showcased. > > So, yes, we can only schedule content that is submitted, but we've made an > effort this event to go out and get those submissions from specific > communities. At future events, we'd like to see more communities step up to > do this hard work. > > > -- > Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen > http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon >
Re: GSoC 2015 - very little interest so far
Hi Ulrich, Don't know whether your call for action was also sent to PMC Members of the projects (via private@), but there is interest in Apache Directory and Apache OpenMeetings. For Apache Directory interest, have a look at: http://directory.markmail.org/message/fgvejt7gncwheyki For Apache OpenMeetings interest, have a look at: http://markmail.org/message/e23ishui3rt7hhsg Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Ulrich Stärk wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Our ideas list for GSoC projects [1] so far has only 38 entries. IMO this > number is extremely low > given the number of projects at Apache. I conclude that interest in GSoC > this year is either very > low or that my initial email has not reached the right people. > > Please help me spread the word by reminding your projects' communities of > GSoC and the great > opportunity for community building it provides. > > Thanks, > > Uli > > > [1] http://s.apache.org/gsoc2015ideas >
Re: GSoC 2015 - very little interest so far
Hi Ulrich, How do they record their registration? Is it simply registering a JIRA describing the intend or goal and tagging it with GSoC 2015? Best regards, Pierre Op woensdag 11 februari 2015 heeft Ulrich Stärk het volgende geschreven: > Hi Pierre, > > the original email went bcc p...@apache.org so all PMCs > should be aware of the programme. > > Great to hear that there is interest within Directory and OpenMeetings. > There are however no ideas > on our list from those two projects. It would be great if you could remind > them to record them. > > Cheers, > > Uli > > On 2015-02-11 12:06, Pierre Smits wrote: > > Hi Ulrich, > > > > Don't know whether your call for action was also sent to PMC Members of > the > > projects (via private@), but there is interest in Apache Directory and > > Apache OpenMeetings. > > > > For Apache Directory interest, have a look at: > > http://directory.markmail.org/message/fgvejt7gncwheyki > > For Apache OpenMeetings interest, have a look at: > > http://markmail.org/message/e23ishui3rt7hhsg > > > > Best regards, > > > > Pierre Smits > > > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > > Based Manufacturing, Professional > > Services and Retail & Trade > > http://www.orrtiz.com > > > > On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Ulrich Stärk > wrote: > > > >> Hi Folks, > >> > >> Our ideas list for GSoC projects [1] so far has only 38 entries. IMO > this > >> number is extremely low > >> given the number of projects at Apache. I conclude that interest in GSoC > >> this year is either very > >> low or that my initial email has not reached the right people. > >> > >> Please help me spread the word by reminding your projects' communities > of > >> GSoC and the great > >> opportunity for community building it provides. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Uli > >> > >> > >> [1] http://s.apache.org/gsoc2015ideas > >> > > > -- Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com
Re: ApacheCon Schedule
Jan, Rich, Where can I access the schedule to check? Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Rich Bowen wrote: > For those not involved in the process so far, I appreciate your patience, > and your suffering in the dark. Making the schedule public too early caused > significant logistical problems last two times (people thinking they knew > things that they didn't know, and making travel plans accordingly), and we > want to avoid that nightmare this time around. > > For those involved in the process so far: > > It looks like we're done with the ApacheCon schedule. Sort of. We've got 7 > tracks, three days, which I think is probably just the right volume. > > Please look at the DRAFT schedule, and comment in this thread. I, for one, > think we have a kickin' schedule. > > Problems that I think still need solving: > > * We have an empty spot in the community track. Given that community is > what we *do*, it seems that we could come up with 6 community talks to > schedule, and have a few fallbacks. If folks could look through the > not-yet-accepted list with me and see what you can find, that would be > awesome. > > * We have 16 open slots. We don't need to fill all of them - we need to > leave 6 or 7 slots open for vendor-sponsored talks (Don't worry, these will > NOT be product pitches) which will show up over the coming weeks. (LF's > problem, not ours.) But I think we can probably put together a few half-day > tracks if we put our minds to it. We have an entire day/track on Wednesday, > if someone still thinks that they can put together a complete track (6 > talks). > > * We need more wait-listed talks. We currently have 6 waitlisted talks, > and I'm probably going to take several of those right now to fill in some > empties. > > * We have the problem that's not a problem, which is that we had 239 > submissions, and have only accepted 115 talks - less than half. So we'll > get a LOT of "why wasn't my talk accepted" emails, and I never have very > good answers to that, because the answer really is, this time, too much > content, too little space. But the questions will come, and that's a very > unsatisfying answer to people that have put time and effort into crafting > talk abstracts. > > > If you would like to help with any of these things, please get in touch > with me. Or, just step up and claim it and do it. > > Note that I will be flying for much of today, and at a conference > Friday-Sunday, so if I'm not responsive, please ping Jan Iversen, who can > also help you out with this - although apparently I can't make him Owner of > the Google Doc, so actually sharing the doc with you will be delayed, > unless you respond in the next 3 hours. > > -- > Rich Bowen - rbo...@rcbowen.com - @rbowen > http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon >
Re: Why are committers accounts never terminated?
Hi Jake, I am not talking about removing merit and karma. Such is persisted in many ways, think web pages, wiki pages, etc. I am talking about revoking permissions at tools levels. That doesn't mean deleting committers identities within the ASF. Ensuring that committers get the same permissions back (or not) is up to the PMC of a project to decide. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Jake Farrell wrote: > Hi Pierre > merit and karma are earned and should not be taken away. If we where to > remove karma for services and then someone came back how would we track > what their previous permissions had been, this would leave no guarantee > that they would have the same permissions they had when they initially > stepped away for whatever reason. > > -Jake > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Pierre Smits > wrote: > >> I apparently only replied to Jaques. See that message below. >> >> >> Pierre Smits >> >> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >> Based Manufacturing, Professional >> Services and Retail & Trade >> http://www.orrtiz.com >> >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: Pierre Smits >> Date: Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 1:15 PM >> Subject: Re: Why are committers accounts never terminated? >> To: Jacques Le Roux >> >> >> When committers resign on their own accord (for whatever reason) their >> permissions for the tools of the project (JIRA, CONFLUENCE, SVN, etc) >> should be revoked. When they want to be active again, this can easily be >> facilitated. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Pierre Smits >> >> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* >> Services & Solutions for Cloud- >> Based Manufacturing, Professional >> Services and Retail & Trade >> http://www.orrtiz.com >> >> On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 1:11 PM, Jacques Le Roux < >> jacques.le.r...@les7arts.com> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Mark, >>> >>> It's quite clear >>> >>> Jacques >>> >>> Le 12/03/2015 11:59, Mark Thomas a écrit : >>> >>> On 12/03/2015 09:50, Jacques Le Roux wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Infra Team and All, >>>>> >>>>> I have a question I wonder for some time and recently discussed in our >>>>> OFBiz PMC ML. >>>>> >>>>> Committers come and go. When a PMC member resign, because s/he clearly >>>>> wants to stop helping on the project and want to be completely >>>>> disconnect from it, her/his committer account remains active. I wonder >>>>> if this is not an useless security hole. Same for no longer active >>>>> committers. The difference with an active committer is s/he will never >>>>> know since s/he is possibly no longer monitoring things. >>>>> >>>>> A credential can be abused by an external person, that can be the >>>>> beginning of much troubles we can not all imagine (hackers do)... With >>>>> security holes you never know, until it bites you, so I really wonder >>>>> why a committer account can not be terminated? >>>>> >>>> A committer account on its own can do very little in the way of harm. >>>> >>>> It can (if you know which hoops to jump through) get shell access to >>>> people.a.o and it can send e-mail from an @apache.org e-mail address. >>>> >>>> people.a.o is locked down (and infra has additional monitoring in place) >>>> so the risk here is sufficiently small infra is happy with it. >>>> >>>> It terms of sending e-mail via an @apache.org e-mail address, if it is >>>> abusive (i.e. spammy) then we do rely on folks reporting it to us. >>>> >>>> The PMC is responsible for granting (and revoking) commit access. There >>>> is nothing (of a technical nature - you'll have to answer to the board >>>> and your community for the social aspects) stopping you removing >>>> inactive committers from the appropriate LDAP group(s). >>>> >>>> I'd add that the PMC is responsible for reviewing all the commits made >>>> to the PMC's repositories. You are expected to spot if a long inactive >>>> committer suddenly starts making changes or an account you don't >>>> recognise makes changes. Likewise, active committers are expected to >>>> spot changes in their name they did not make. >>>> >>>> More generally, if infra has a security concern we shut stuff down >>>> and/or lock accounts first and ask questions later. Any security >>>> concerns should be reported immediately to r...@apache.org >>>> >>>> Finally, infra periodically enforces password resets for all committers. >>>> This has the helpful side-effect of effectively locking unused committer >>>> accounts. >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >
Fwd: Why are committers accounts never terminated?
FYI, As it was bounced. Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://ORRTIZ.COM>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com -- Forwarded message ------ From: Pierre Smits Date: Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:31 PM Subject: Re: Why are committers accounts never terminated? To: "infrastruct...@apache.org" , " dev@community.apache.org" Cc: Emmanuel Lécharny , Joe Schaefer < joe_schae...@yahoo.com> Including community dev as it seems appropriate. Offboarding is equally important as onboarding. The solution as described by Emmanuel and applied by Apache Directory project is a good one. If the PMC of project FOO wants to have done it differently, then it is their prerogative. My 2 cents. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://ORRTIZ.COM>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com
Re: commit rights to ComDev non-community.a.o site resources
Why not register the solution as a component of the COMDEV project in JIRA, and do the same as any other ASF project does when it comes to code: register and evaluate issues, have patches registered there and have invited committers work from there. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Sun, Mar 15, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Ulrich Stärk wrote: > Heh. > > When I put that sentence in the board report we didn't have projects-new > yet. > > I don't see a reason why we shouldn't open up those two (or even all of > /comdev) for all committers > as long as changes are first discussed on our lists. > > What do others think? > > Cheers, > > Uli > > On 2015-03-14 16:38, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I lately gave patches for projects-new that were not applied: it seems > there > > is a problem to determine who should do it (to avoid projects-new to be a > > single-man affair). > > > > Then I made some investigations: in the last board report for ComDev > [1], I > > think I found the cause: > > "Since artifacts produced by ComDev are usually documentation on our > website > > which is writable for all Apache committers, we usually do not add > committers > > to the ComDev project." > > > > Then should projects(-new).apache.org become writeable for all Apache > > committers too? Same for reporter.apache.org? > > > > Regards, > > > > Hervé > > > > [1] https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Community_Development.html > > >
Re: commit rights to ComDev non-community.a.o site resources
+ 1 Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 9:39 PM, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote: > +1 (non-binding) > > Regards, > > Hervé > > Le dimanche 15 mars 2015 22:24:34 Ulrich Stärk a écrit : > > Heh. > > > > When I put that sentence in the board report we didn't have projects-new > > yet. > > > > I don't see a reason why we shouldn't open up those two (or even all of > > /comdev) for all committers as long as changes are first discussed on our > > lists. > > > > What do others think? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Uli > > > > On 2015-03-14 16:38, Hervé BOUTEMY wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I lately gave patches for projects-new that were not applied: it seems > > > there is a problem to determine who should do it (to avoid projects-new > > > to be a single-man affair). > > > > > > Then I made some investigations: in the last board report for ComDev > [1], > > > I > > > think I found the cause: > > > "Since artifacts produced by ComDev are usually documentation on our > > > website which is writable for all Apache committers, we usually do not > > > add committers to the ComDev project." > > > > > > Then should projects(-new).apache.org become writeable for all Apache > > > committers too? Same for reporter.apache.org? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Hervé > > > > > > [1] https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Community_Development.html > >
Re: work with you
Please remember that communicating a 2-way street. Obliging the other party to comply doesn't help collaboration. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 12:10 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz < bdelacre...@apache.org> wrote: > 2015-03-19 11:44 GMT+01:00 Jan Matèrne (jhm) : > > ...My personal experience is, that native English speakers excuse "bad > English" > > from non-native speakers, if they try their best > > Yes, not doing so would be rude! > > One has to be able to communicate their ideas clearly though, so if > someone's written English is limited it would be good for them to find > a bilingual friend who can help review/translate messages as needed. > > -Bertrand >
Veto! Veto?
Hi all, If I understand the various documents/pages available regarding voting correctly, voting a new member in can't be vetoed. Likewise is it with respect to voting for board members. If I have missed a page somewhere, please point me to it and I stand corrected. The following document https://community.apache.org/newcommitter.html states: A positive result is achieved by Consensus Approval i.e. at least 3 +1 votes and no vetoes. Any veto must be accompanied by reasoning and be prepared to defend it. Other members can attempt to encourage them to change. While this document talks about getting new committers in a project, it also seem to be applicable when it comes to getting new PMC members and even who chairs the PMC. So how can it be that when it comes to projects, vetoes can be expressed and block innovation or growth? One of the reasons I heard when discussing this was that it establishes control or manageability of the projects member list. Wouldn't a simple majority (more +1 than -1 votes) yield the same result? If someone would feel that non-acceptance of a new person would benefit the project, wouldn’t it be more proper/righteous that he should put in the effort and get a majority of votes? It is understandable why the ASF (and its projects) have the veto principle regarding code changes as it ensures that the(released) works of the project are of a higher quality than the previous work, and that the works don't change to something else than what is stated in the mission of the project (meaning that e.g. the primary work of the Apache HTTP project - httpd can't be converted into e.g. foo widget). When it comes to people (and organisations), vetoes have proven that it is a means to force consensus into a certain direction. It might have some valid grounds when only a few have the biggest gun and they want to keep others from getting the same gun (and thus rights/power), but in a environment (as the ASF is) that builds on collaboration it is seems overkill. What do you think? Is, when it comes to people, the veto mechanism not out of place for an ASF project? Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com
Re: Veto! Veto?
If the majority perceives that a nominee is an obstructionist then it will be reflected in the voting result. But if the minority - or even only one voter - perceives that and others don't, then a veto would be a show stopper for innovation, expansion and merit recognition c.q. privilege awarding. I wonder how it can be that democracy is perceived worse than any other cracy when it comes to people in open source projects in general and ASF projects in particular. Mature projects shouldn't need to have such a mechanism when it comes to people. And it doesn't seem to fit in he Apache Way. Best regards Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 5:24 AM, Alex Harui wrote: > Consensus Approval works great until you have someone who others rightly > or wrongly perceive as an obstructionist. Then it just makes the whole > project the loser. > > At least one project uses majority approval for new members, but a serious > attempt is made to make sure that the vote is unanimous anyway. Those in > opposition deserve to be listened to, but if there are only one or two > against and lots more in favor, then majority approval avoids long threads > trying to persuade the one or two. Sure discussing more to achieve > Consensus can be better, but you can also lose momentum of the committer > candidate and momentum of the rest of the community. > > The -1 vote is an alluring drug. It can be misused by individuals who, > consciously or not, cannot avoid the temptation to have control rather > than to collaborate. But really make sure you listen. History is full of > disasters caused by not listening to that one person. > > -Alex > >
Re: Veto! Veto?
Again, this is not about the veto mechanism for the technical works of the project. This is about onboarding of new people, this is about community development. Voting is not a technicality or formality when it comes to people. It is the ultimate means to get to a resolution. We can discuss all we want, but there are times when discussing doesn't lead to some kind of resolution (consensus or implicit acceptance). When the discussion heats up, it often leads to 'I am right and you are wrong' to and fro. When that happens voting will bring a resolution. But then a veto is the ultimate 'my way and I won't budge' variant in stead of seeking the compromise. In the case of people (both onboarding and offboarding) it doesn't help to move a project forward. It is a postponer, a show stopper. In a posting above it said that the PMC of a project is free to define it own ruleset regarding the way that project operates. But that freedom is bound by the principles of the Apache Software Foundation. Principles (and changes thereon) that are voted upon by the members of the ASF. This platform is the place to discuss the aspects of community development in a broader sense. Like we did when the topic of the project maturity model came up. This is another topic in that broader sense of building mature projects. Why the need to talk specifics? This is not about finger pointing or naming and shaming. And if it were, it shouldn't be done here but in a private message to the board. And I trust that the board has ample means to take appropriate actions. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 2:42 PM, Mike Kienenberger wrote: > Have you read https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html? > > As others have said, the idea is always to build consensus rather than > force a result. I guess I've been fortunate in that the projects in > which I've been most active have always been more interested in > consensus than individuals forcing a result. This does add what > seems to be a bit of bureaucracy at first glance. For example, we > "vote" about taking a vote for committers and PMC members (others > above have called it "DISCUSS"). And if we aren't going to be > unanimous in our decision to add in a new committer or PMC member, > then we've always decided to postpone the vote until the individual > overcomes whatever caused the objection. > > I think the reason that code commits can be vetoed is to prevent > dangerous situations. Projects can't afford to delay dealing with > security issues or licensing issues. I've been on the PMC for two > different projects for a decade, and to my recollection we've never > had a code veto. As far as I know, there's only been a threat of a > veto one time in those 20 project-years of time, and it was by me. I > used the threat of veto with a specific committer who had been asked > before to not make behavioral changes to the code in the same commit > where he reformatted every line of the file. It was making it > impossible to review his code changes. > > Veto is there for emergencies, not for bending others to your technical > vision. > > And yes, we've had some disagreements about how things should be done > technically, but the final decision usually came down to either "I'm > willing to do the work" or putting it on hold. > > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 7:00 AM, Pierre Smits > wrote: > > If the majority perceives that a nominee is an obstructionist then it > will > > be reflected in the voting result. But if the minority - or even only one > > voter - perceives that and others don't, then a veto would be a show > > stopper for innovation, expansion and merit recognition c.q. privilege > > awarding. > > > > I wonder how it can be that democracy is perceived worse than any other > > cracy when it comes to people in open source projects in general and ASF > > projects in particular. Mature projects shouldn't need to have such a > > mechanism when it comes to people. And it doesn't seem to fit in he > Apache > > Way. > > > > Best regards > > > > > > > > Pierre Smits > > > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > > Based Manufacturing, Professional > > Services and Retail & Trade > > http://www.orrtiz.com > > > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 5:24 AM, Alex Harui wrote: > > > >> Consensus Approval works great until you have someone who others rightly >
Re: Veto! Veto?
Majority voting, regarding on and offboarding of people, is less subject of abuse - when it comes to get to a resolution - than the veto mechanism. Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 4:26 PM, jan i wrote: > On 21 March 2015 at 15:24, Pierre Smits wrote: > > > Again, this is not about the veto mechanism for the technical works of > the > > project. This is about onboarding of new people, this is about community > > development. > > > > Voting is not a technicality or formality when it comes to people. It is > > the ultimate means to get to a resolution. We can discuss all we want, > but > > there are times when discussing doesn't lead to some kind of resolution > > (consensus or implicit acceptance). When the discussion heats up, it > often > > leads to 'I am right and you are wrong' to and fro. When that happens > > voting will bring a resolution. But then a veto is the ultimate 'my way > and > > I won't budge' variant in stead of seeking the compromise. In the case of > > people (both onboarding and offboarding) it doesn't help to move a > project > > forward. It is a postponer, a show stopper. > > > > In a posting above it said that the PMC of a project is free to define it > > own ruleset regarding the way that project operates. But that freedom is > > bound by the principles of the Apache Software Foundation. Principles > (and > > changes thereon) that are voted upon by the members of the ASF. This > > platform is the place to discuss the aspects of community development in > a > > broader sense. Like we did when the topic of the project maturity model > > came up. This is another topic in that broader sense of building mature > > projects. > > > you are right this is the platform to discuss these matters, but you are > wrong that there is > a policy or principle that the vote for new committers/need to allow a > veto. > > What you refer to is a recommendation ! Is you follow projects you will > from time to time > see projects forward a suggested PMC extension to the board (Board has to > acknowledge > every PMC extension, with a 72 hour delay) without having had a vote, but > just refer to > a consensus thread. > > So I do not understand the problem, if your PMC wants not to include veto > in PMC/Committer go > ahead and do so. My personal opinion (my policy or ...) is that if a PMC > have had a discussion and then > someone gives a -1 in the vote, there is a community problem not a policy > problem. > > > > > > Why the need to talk specifics? This is not about finger pointing or > naming > > and shaming. And if it were, it shouldn't be done here but in a private > > message to the board. And I trust that the board has ample means to take > > appropriate actions. > > > Sorry it was not to offend you, but simply to get a better understanding of > what the problem really is, > as said above if your PMC does not like veto then don´t use it, nobody > forces you to use it. > > If the problem is you want to change the recommendation, then it might be a > good idea to talk about a > specific change to a specific page. > > rgds > jan I. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Pierre Smits > > > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > > Based Manufacturing, Professional > > Services and Retail & Trade > > http://www.orrtiz.com > > > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 2:42 PM, Mike Kienenberger > > wrote: > > > > > Have you read https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html? > > > > > > As others have said, the idea is always to build consensus rather than > > > force a result. I guess I've been fortunate in that the projects in > > > which I've been most active have always been more interested in > > > consensus than individuals forcing a result. This does add what > > > seems to be a bit of bureaucracy at first glance. For example, we > > > "vote" about taking a vote for committers and PMC members (others > > > above have called it "DISCUSS"). And if we aren't going to be > > > unanimous in our decision to add in a new committer or PMC member, > > > then we've always decided to postpone the vote until the individual > > > overcomes whatever caused the objection. > > > > > > I think the reason that code com
Re: Veto! Veto?
I am not talking about the consensus aspect in the principles of the ASF. Everybody agrees that it is (one of) the first and foremost principle(s) of the ASF. And I expect, like everybody else, that every contributor works towards that in any of the projects (and podlings) in any kind of situation. But it happens that sometimes consensus can't be reached and a vote must be called. And then a veto doesn't help the project to move forward. Collegiality and community sense is a two way street. When a (greater) number of people within a project can collaborate with the 'difficult' newcomer, why should it then be possible that the one (or the few) with veto power - who don't/doesn't seem to be able to collaborate with the 'difficult' newcomer - can block voting regarding onboarding as committer or PMC member? Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 4:34 PM, Pierre Smits wrote: > Majority voting, regarding on and offboarding of people, is less subject > of abuse - when it comes to get to a resolution - than the veto mechanism. > > Pierre Smits > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > Based Manufacturing, Professional > Services and Retail & Trade > http://www.orrtiz.com > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 4:26 PM, jan i wrote: > >> On 21 March 2015 at 15:24, Pierre Smits wrote: >> >> > Again, this is not about the veto mechanism for the technical works of >> the >> > project. This is about onboarding of new people, this is about community >> > development. >> > >> > Voting is not a technicality or formality when it comes to people. It is >> > the ultimate means to get to a resolution. We can discuss all we want, >> but >> > there are times when discussing doesn't lead to some kind of resolution >> > (consensus or implicit acceptance). When the discussion heats up, it >> often >> > leads to 'I am right and you are wrong' to and fro. When that happens >> > voting will bring a resolution. But then a veto is the ultimate 'my way >> and >> > I won't budge' variant in stead of seeking the compromise. In the case >> of >> > people (both onboarding and offboarding) it doesn't help to move a >> project >> > forward. It is a postponer, a show stopper. >> > >> > In a posting above it said that the PMC of a project is free to define >> it >> > own ruleset regarding the way that project operates. But that freedom is >> > bound by the principles of the Apache Software Foundation. Principles >> (and >> > changes thereon) that are voted upon by the members of the ASF. This >> > platform is the place to discuss the aspects of community development >> in a >> > broader sense. Like we did when the topic of the project maturity model >> > came up. This is another topic in that broader sense of building mature >> > projects. >> > >> you are right this is the platform to discuss these matters, but you are >> wrong that there is >> a policy or principle that the vote for new committers/need to allow a >> veto. >> >> What you refer to is a recommendation ! Is you follow projects you will >> from time to time >> see projects forward a suggested PMC extension to the board (Board has to >> acknowledge >> every PMC extension, with a 72 hour delay) without having had a vote, but >> just refer to >> a consensus thread. >> >> So I do not understand the problem, if your PMC wants not to include veto >> in PMC/Committer go >> ahead and do so. My personal opinion (my policy or ...) is that if a PMC >> have had a discussion and then >> someone gives a -1 in the vote, there is a community problem not a policy >> problem. >> >> >> > >> > Why the need to talk specifics? This is not about finger pointing or >> naming >> > and shaming. And if it were, it shouldn't be done here but in a private >> > message to the board. And I trust that the board has ample means to take >> > appropriate actions. >> > >> Sorry it was not to offend you, but simply to get a better understanding >> of >> what the problem really is, >> as said above if your PMC does not like veto then don´t use it, nobody >> forces you to use it. >> >> If the problem is you want to change the recommendation, then it might be >> a >> good
Re: Veto! Veto?
It is sometimes the case that the individual, with power in the community, can't work with another 'in his eyes difficult' person. If his contributions are beneficial to the project, if others in the project can work with that second person in the collegia/civil manner that is expected in a communityl, how can it be acceptable that that first person (the one with power who can't work with the other) can block acceptance with a veto. Voting against is not the same as vetoing! Suppose one of you (with power) finds me 'difficult' within this community (as this community is somewhat similar to any other ASF project). And suppose I get nominated as PMC member, because of my good contributions and of my ability to work with many others. How would a veto (to have me in) inspire me to do more for the greater good, but in stead lead to cycles towards being a loss for this community? Vetoing people isn't a community builder. It doesn't help when it comes to collaborating. It doesn't help when it comes to diversifying the community. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:29 AM, Benson Margulies > wrote: > > > And I emphasize 'range'. There was a talk at Apache Con some years > > back about the idea that civility goes in two directions: we all want > > to express ourselves in collegial and civil ways, and we also have to > > be prepared to accept communications from people with very different > > styles, up to and including some that we might individually find > > somewhat 'difficult.' > > It's sometimes the case that an individual has difficulty fitting into one > community, yet fits just fine within another. It's interesting to consider > how group dynamics differ. What positive conditions are present or > negative > conditions absent in the harmonious group that allow it to function > smoothly? > > In any case, there are no ideal mechanisms for resolving intractable > personnel > conflicts. The best we can do is talk through differences in the hope that > misunderstandings can be cleared or behavioral modifications adopted. > > Marvin Humphrey >
Re: Veto! Veto?
It seems resolution 7.G is a result of the rule of no -1 votes leading to irreconcilable difference. And the rule of no -1 votes seems to be the result of the rule to grant the power to veto. In stead of making it simpler it has added layers. >From the reports of the various projects that I have read regarding new people coming on board (or lack thereof) the following stands out: several projects have stated in consecutive reports that there were no new people on board. This could well be the result of the rule (no -1 votes), due to the irreconcilable differences. Irreconcilable differences are like vetoes expressed. If in stead of the veto possibility the simple majority rule was at play, it might have been so that fewer project would have reported consecutively that no new people were onboarded. Not having the power to veto when it comes to people should, and I expect will lead to more people on board, more diversity, more innovation and less hampering of progress, less walks towards the board (as if there have ever been any) and less complexity in the rulesets. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 7:59 PM, Pierre Smits wrote: > It is sometimes the case that the individual, with power in the community, > can't work with another 'in his eyes difficult' person. > > If his contributions are beneficial to the project, if others in the > project can work with that second person in the collegia/civil manner that > is expected in a communityl, how can it be acceptable that that first > person (the one with power who can't work with the other) can block > acceptance with a veto. > > Voting against is not the same as vetoing! > > Suppose one of you (with power) finds me 'difficult' within this community > (as this community is somewhat similar to any other ASF project). And > suppose I get nominated as PMC member, because of my good contributions and > of my ability to work with many others. > > How would a veto (to have me in) inspire me to do more for the greater > good, but in stead lead to cycles towards being a loss for this community? > > Vetoing people isn't a community builder. It doesn't help when it comes to > collaborating. It doesn't help when it comes to diversifying the community. > > Best regards, > > Pierre Smits > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* > Services & Solutions for Cloud- > Based Manufacturing, Professional > Services and Retail & Trade > http://www.orrtiz.com > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Marvin Humphrey > wrote: > >> On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 8:29 AM, Benson Margulies >> wrote: >> >> > And I emphasize 'range'. There was a talk at Apache Con some years >> > back about the idea that civility goes in two directions: we all want >> > to express ourselves in collegial and civil ways, and we also have to >> > be prepared to accept communications from people with very different >> > styles, up to and including some that we might individually find >> > somewhat 'difficult.' >> >> It's sometimes the case that an individual has difficulty fitting into one >> community, yet fits just fine within another. It's interesting to >> consider >> how group dynamics differ. What positive conditions are present or >> negative >> conditions absent in the harmonious group that allow it to function >> smoothly? >> >> In any case, there are no ideal mechanisms for resolving intractable >> personnel >> conflicts. The best we can do is talk through differences in the hope >> that >> misunderstandings can be cleared or behavioral modifications adopted. >> >> Marvin Humphrey >> > >
Re: Veto! Veto?
HI Bertrand, Thanks for the clarification regarding http://community.apache.org/newcommitter.html Shouldn't http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html then also explicitly reflect that vetoes aren't allowed when it comes to on- and ofboarding contributors as committer and PMC member? That would surely bring clarity. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>* Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Jacques Le Roux > wrote: > > ...Thanks for the clarification Bertrand, this was also unclear to me. > Should > > we not amend the newcommitter page?.. > > That would be great, I don't have time right now myself. > -Bertrand >
