Re: Corona Track App
https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-and-europe-turn-to-phone-tracking-strategies-to-halt-spread-of-coronavirus-11585906203 https://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2020/04/03/contact-tracing-coronavirus-massachusetts-baker It might be worthwhile to look into one of the efforts underway, and "lend a few hands". Ed Mangini m...@emangini.com <http://emangini.com> On Sun, Apr 5, 2020 at 9:06 AM Raphael Bircher wrote: > Hi all > > I think we all are right now in a challenging situation. Many > countries are in a lockdown. But there is also a discussion around, > what we do after this emergency stop. One solution ist to track down > the rout of the Virus. If a new case comes in, you search out the > social connections. Thy can be warned, and make a test to. > > I know, tracking Apps are already in discussion, but maybe it's a good > idea to have something open source under AL v2. > > I know, Apache normally don't act proactive. But maybe we should make > an exception here. What do you think? > > Regards Raphael > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > >
Re: It’s time to change the name
would need coordinating across multiple volunteers who are > > > > interested in doing a good job, but not necessarily able to respond > to > > > > tasks on deadlines. And at the end it would certainly be impossible > to > > > > fully complete it, because for example, changing package names would > > > > break > > > > client code. > > > > > > > > Despite the complexity of the full change, some of these tasks are > > > > independent of the others and can be taken on without an expectation > that > > > > all tasks would be completed. For example, registering a new domain > name, > > > > and developing a consensus that it can be used instead of "apache" > in new > > > > projects might be possible without doing a full-on name change. > > > > Introducing the same license under a new name might also be > possible. And > > > > replacing our logo with something more respectful might also be > possible > > > > without touching anything else. To tease out tasks like this would > > > > require > > > > someone with an interest in doing the hard work of decomposing the > > > > problem, > > > > discovering which pieces are independently solvable, developing > consensus > > > > that a change should be made, and then doing each change itself. > > > > > > > > Please recognize that to fully complete what I'm describing here will > > > > take > > > > years, possibly more than a decade of work, and that it will probably > > > > never > > > > be fully completed, and that it will require buy-in from hundreds, > > > > possibly > > > > thousands of people. To achieve full buy-in, you'd need to convince > > > > people > > > > not only that the work is worth doing, but also that you are in it > for as > > > > long as the task will take. With all that as context: if someone is > > > > willing to do that work of driving that effort, then I'm willing to > take > > > > on > > > > some individual tasks in the process that fall within my area of > > > > expertise. But I personally am not willing to *drive* that effort, > and I > > > > haven't seen that anyone else is willing to either. > > > > > > > > Walter, when someone replies "You want this change, but are you > willing > > > > to > > > > do the work?" this may be what they are asking. Despite all of that, > your > > > > statements about the disrespect of the name and the logos, and some > of > > > > the > > > > project names are valid. The hurt you describe is real. And I wish it > > > > weren't so. > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Myrle Krantz > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 8:24 PM Julian Hyde > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I think it would be useful to poll ASF members' opinions. This > would > > > > > not be a vote (in the sense that any action would result if the > vote > > > > > 'passes') even though we may choose to implement the poll using > STevE > > > > > during a members meeting. It would allow us to gauge where opinions > > > > > are, and track changes in members' opinions over time. > > > > > > > > > > As others have noted, a discussion followed by a vote would likely > be > > > > > divisive, because the discussion would be dominated by those with > the > > > > > most polarized opinions. > > > > > > > > > > Julian > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 10:36 AM me wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Sam and Andrew for helping provide visibility! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Sam Ruby > > > > > > Reply: dev@community.apache.org > > > > > > Date: April 29, 2022 at 13:35:41 > > > > > > To: Apache Community Dev > > > > > > Subject: Re: It’s time to change the name > > > > > > > > > > > > Moving board to bcc. Mixing public and private mailing lists is > not a > > > > > > good idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 12:48 PM Andrew Musselman < > a...@apache.or
Re: It’s time to change the name
@Owen That's not true with regards to complaints driving change. A quick review of the history shows that initial commercial changes (e.g. Washington Commanders) were mostly complaint driven, however community changes were driven mostly by proxy as proactive efforts. I think we need to be careful about making broad assumptions about what tribes, partners or members would do before actually collecting that data. Walter's initial statement is a proactive effort. This is very much in line with "reading the room" rather than waiting to be told. To be fair, we haven't even ascertained the impact of either. I've been reading up on the Jeep scenario, and they did a substantial amount of research prior to deciding that they should do research. (I.e. could they absorb the negative impact). The fact that we are a free software foundation dilutes revenue impact, but we still have a footprint to consider (of which could be a polarizing tangential discussion based on industry questions right now). It might be worth looking at other OSS bodies in terms of DEI. (I'll dig in to this in my free time today). On Sun, May 1, 2022, 01:39 Owen Rubel wrote: > Well you may not need to. > > School and sports teams change their names because they are offensive and > the tribe registers a complaint. > > In the sense of the Apache foundation, I sincerely donut the tribe will > ever register an official complaint because it is a nonprofit that does > community outreach and gives away software. > > They do not put the tribes image in a poor light nor do they use slogans, > imagery that put the tribe in a poor light > > These are all things that would cause the Apache Nation to respond. > > The Apache Foundation has seemingly been a good steward so unless someone > from the Apache Nation provides an official complaint, I would not worry. > > However... rebranding may be a good suggestion. > > Still some community outreach may be good so you can know if you even > SHOULD start the path of rebranding; it may not even be necessary and you > can put it to rest once and for all if they see you as good stewards., > > Owen Rubel > oru...@gmail.com > > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 5:49 AM Ed Mangini wrote: > > > Creative! > > > > How do we change the original intent? > > > > Our website directly references the Apache tribe, and that data point is > > referenced in various web assets of which we have no control. > > > > This is where Andrew's notion of outreach would be absolutely requisite > to > > determine if disassociation is enough. It might even require sponsorship. > > > > We'd need careful wordsmithing. > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2022, 05:03 Jarek Potiuk wrote: > > > > > I think we all vastly underestimate the ripple effect such a change > might > > > have. > > > I do understand some of the sentiments of people who want change. > > > > > > However, maybe there is an easier way to handle this issue. > > > > > > Do we really have to change the name or just disassociate with the > > > Apache Tribe ? I think the latter does not need name change and will > > > be few orders of magnitude easier and possible to do in a few months > > > rather than decades. > > > > > > For the vast majority of people in the software industry I think, the > > > "Apache Software Foundation" bears absolutely no relation to the > > > Apache Tribe. Why would it? Yeah originally it was a homage to some of > > > the qualities of the Apache Tribe as the origin of the name is, and we > > > do have the Feather which somewhat relates to the tribe. But for all > > > practical purposes and mental association there is no relation between > > > the two. > > > > > > I've been working in a trademark office for some time and from how I > > > understand how names and brands are considered and used - "brands" and > > > "names" can only be reserved in the "scope" they are registered for. > > > So all Apache brand and naming is valid in "software" (and there the > > > foundation obviously is associated with the name) - but there is > > > nothing wrong (at least in the brand/trademark world) to have another > > > "Apache" registered for another business (think Helicopters). Of > > > course tribe is not a business, but I think the laws of trademark are > > > simply reflecting the way people think about names and brands. > > > > > > While originally people who created The ASF have thought about some &
Re: It’s time to change the name
I don't think Walters use of "others" is intended to pass the buck. @Walter, I'm assuming that your intent was to better understand the process and scope of "how do I make a change in the ASF"? I think we agree this is a big task, regardless of avenue. My intent was mostly to gauge/rally interest in a direction that is likely to gain the most support and volunteers. If option 3 is your choice, then I suppose the next step is working with members of ASF to determine specific scope of work? It's probably worth identifying blockers up front and evaluating those before starting to apply elbow grease. On Tue, May 3, 2022, 18:18 Sam Ruby wrote: > On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 5:49 PM Walter Cameron > wrote: > > > > My homework above was all about gathering more data to help others make a > > decision, but if there’s already an agreement on what needs to be done > and > > the board or membership is willing make a change without a poll or vote > > that’s fine with me, I’m all for getting to the action if change is > already > > what’s agreed on here. I’m just trying to work with whatever options are > > available to me. > > Why "others"? > > My hot button is when people use the words like "they" and "others". > The ASF is the set of people who show up to do the work. As such it > is constantly growing and shrinking as new people show up and others > move on to other things. > > If you are sincere about being willing to do the work, then you are part > of us. > > - Sam Ruby > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > >
Re: VP Conferences changes
That's an assumption and conjecture. If it's a concern of yours, there are more productive ways to raise the issue and socialize avenues to protect the interests you're advocating for. On Wed, Nov 8, 2023, 10:00 Owen Rubel wrote: > Sales and marketing go hand in hand; marketing promotes sales and sales > uses marketing materials to get sales. It is a mutually > beneficial relationship. > > True events are about messaging BUT conferences are also about education. > > Too many conferences have gone down the route of merely pandering to > vendors only and ignoring engineers. > > Once you hand off to sales/marketing, thats the final straw. There is no > turning back. ApacheCon becomes purely about vendor sales/marketing, not > engineering > > Owen Rubel > oru...@gmail.com > > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 6:45 AM wrote: > > > On Wed, 2023-11-08 at 06:33 -0800, Owen Rubel wrote: > > > Weak sauce. Once marketing takes over, conference talks become merely > > > part > > > of SALES. > > > > > > ApacheCon has been about learning... not SALES and MARKETING. > > > > I'm honestly torn as to whether this troll-y message merits a response. > > > > I'd expect someone with your deep experience in tech (This > > you? https://www.linkedin.com/in/owen-rubel-531197228/) to understand > > that sales and marketing are fundamentally different things. > > > > Events are fundamentally about *messaging* which is what marketing is > > about. Marketing has been an equal partner in the production of this > > event since the first one in 1998. > > > > We don't have products, and thus we have no sales. > > > > As always, you are more than welcome to come participate in the > > planning activities if you wish to shape that messaging. > > > > > On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 4:04 AM Rich Bowen wrote: > > > > > > > Fyi, effective yesterday, I have stepped down as VP conferences. > > > > The > > > > responsibility for that role has passed to VP marketing, but > > > > communication > > > > around conferences will still happen on the planners mailing list, > > > > as it > > > > has for many years. > > > > > > > > It's my hope to get a little more engaged on the side of the house, > > > > which, > > > > of course, I've been trying to do for the last couple of years. > > > > > > > > Rich > > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > > >
Re: VP Conferences changes
Thanks for all of your hard work Rich. I'm sad I didn't get to work with you more! On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 1:16 PM Ryan Skraba wrote: > Just adding my thanks as well: your advice has been both comforting > and valuable as we've been working towards Community over Code Europe > 2024[1]. Please don't hesitate to continue lending your voice and > opinions! :D > > All my best, Ryan > > [1]: http://eu.communityovercode.org/ "Community over Code, Bratislava > June 3-5, 2024, CFP is open! BE THERE!" > > On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 4:18 PM Sharan Foga wrote: > > > > Huge thanks to you Rich for all the work you have done on Conferences > over the years. I know that sometimes it hasnt been as easy as you make it > seem - but you have always had a big smile, positive attitude and a > willingness to put on an amazing event :-) > > > > Thanks > > Sharan > > > > On 2023/11/08 12:03:38 Rich Bowen wrote: > > > Fyi, effective yesterday, I have stepped down as VP conferences. The > > > responsibility for that role has passed to VP marketing, but > communication > > > around conferences will still happen on the planners mailing list, as > it > > > has for many years. > > > > > > It's my hope to get a little more engaged on the side of the house, > which, > > > of course, I've been trying to do for the last couple of years. > > > > > > Rich > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@community.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@community.apache.org > >
