FOSDEM 2024

[Roman Shaposhnik]

Hi!

I remember we typically have a wiki page for coordinating
things around FOSDEM -- I just forgot the URL :-( Little help?

Also, I'll definitely be there and also plan to be at the State of
Open CON in UK after that.

Thanks,
Roman.

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Re: VP Conferences changes

[Roman Shaposhnik]

On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 12:42 AM Kanchana Welagedara
 wrote:
>
> Dear Rich,
>
> With reminiscing of helping out to organize ApacheCon Asia 2006 Asia ( Sri
> Lanka ), my first ever ApacheConf experience, let me write this you .
>
> Your dedication, guidance and tireless efforts have made a profound impact
> on Apache community . Apache conferences have flourished and have become
> not just events but vibrant gathering of like-minded individuals passionate
> about Apache software .
> Your commitment to fostering the an inclusive and environment has created
> an atmosphere where participants are formed and knowledge is shared .
>  Thank you for outstanding services as the VP of conferences.

Huge +1 to the above! Rich has absolutely put a lot of heart and soul
into the events over the years!

Thanks,
Roman.

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Re: VP Conferences changes

[Jarek Potiuk]

Thanks Rich for all the spirit of the Community Over Code (AKA ApacheCon).

Sharing my personal experiences, I am not sure how much you were the
"Spirit" of the EU conference in Berlin, that was my first "ApacheCon"
experience - but that is where I got the "Community" vibes. This is where
(and because of what I experienced at the conference) I decided to dedicate
a lot of my effort, time into getting involved with the ASF more. Simply
because I saw why the people who were there - actually wanted to be in the
same place. Not because the number of attendees, amount of money raised,
number of sponsors or amount of sponsorships, quality of the food etc.
These are absolutely necessary, But I think what was the most important
"spirit" of the event and true passion of the organizers to build
thriving communities of people who genuinely want to be together, grow and
especially - bring new people in and feel them both welcome and creating
the space for those new people to bring their own vision and be absolutely
opened to help those people to realise their vision (like me in 2019).

I have not been even PMC member yet in 2019, yet I was thrilled by
organizers willing to add me to  "pre-event" schedule (where I talked about
how we are starting to build welcoming community in Apache Airflow - I
remember the surprise that people actually showed up in big numbers - it's
been a full house with people sitting on the stairs - a day before the
actual conference and opening. That was mind-boggling - as a long time
conference organizer, I've never seen anything like that. Also another
experience from 2019 - when I found a place/company that helped us to
organize "first time contributor's workshop", the organizers of the
ApacheCon Berlin added information about the workshop and prominently
displayed and announced it in all possible channels (no questions asked, no
sponsoring or any other discussions involved - simply seeing the value in
the community spirit, cooperation and building various communities - by
partnership, cooperation, accepting ideas and leadership of others in
running those and most importantly open mind). Thanks to that I had -
together with a dear friend of mine who is also a committer  - a full house
again with some of the relations and contributors who are part of the
communiity of our project till today.

I read your word in other threads and planners about you not "running" the
conference personally and passing it to those who actually "do" run it for
a few years". But at least from my experience - and I think out of modesty
- I believe you vastly underestimate the "spirit" of the event you
personally created. At least from my past experience, logistics,
organisation, etc. can be easily "bought". The spirit, willingness of
cooperation, true passion for building communities and letting people grow
around you is somethign that can never be "bought" for any sponsorship
money and cannot be "marketed".

I am - sadly and for personal reasons - not involved in organizing the EU
event next year, but I hope the fantastic team of organizers that started
it will have an opportunity to realise their vision and put the "spirit" in
the conference next year. I am curious to see how it plays out without you
as the VP conferencing and how your "spiirt" space will be filled.

J.


On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 11:42 PM Kanchana Welagedara 
wrote:

> Dear Rich,
>
> With reminiscing of helping out to organize ApacheCon Asia 2006 Asia ( Sri
> Lanka ), my first ever ApacheConf experience, let me write this you .
>
> Your dedication, guidance and tireless efforts have made a profound impact
> on Apache community . Apache conferences have flourished and have become
> not just events but vibrant gathering of like-minded individuals passionate
> about Apache software .
> Your commitment to fostering the an inclusive and environment has created
> an atmosphere where participants are formed and knowledge is shared .
>  Thank you for outstanding services as the VP of conferences.
>
> Cheers,
> Kanchana
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 8, 2023 at 10:18 AM Dave Fisher  wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > > On Nov 8, 2023, at 8:06 AM, Owen Rubel  wrote:
> > >
> > > "So rather than worry about these sort if artefacts of
> > institutionalisation
> > > or what bad KPIs \& wrong incentives can drive in a corporate world --
> > lets
> > > just make sure together that these conferences are what we want."
> > >
> > > I kind of figured that was the point of speaking up; to let you know
> how
> > > vendor based conferences end up pushing out engineers.
> >
> > You are not “wrong”, but within the ASF ecosystem this large problem
> > already exists with some of our projects having vendor run “Summits”.
> It’s
> > a different problem than who is managing Community over Code production.
> > It’s a community health problem and an example of Foundation educational
> > and governance improvements.
> >
> > How can ComDev help ASF PMCs improve on that existing, very complex, and
> > thor

Re: FOSDEM 2024

[Sharan F]

Hi Roman

Great to hear you will be there!

I haven't created a wiki page yet as I have applied for an ASF booth at
FOSDEM but haven't had any confirmation that we have got one yet.

They have announced the accepted Devrooms but not which Stands/booths are
accepted so we need to wait until the 20th November to find out.

Thanks
Sharan




On Thu, 9 Nov 2023, 10:50 Roman Shaposhnik,  wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I remember we typically have a wiki page for coordinating
> things around FOSDEM -- I just forgot the URL :-( Little help?
>
> Also, I'll definitely be there and also plan to be at the State of
> Open CON in UK after that.
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
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Re: FOSDEM 2024

[Jarek Potiuk]

Also if you wanted to submit a talk. I just realized after looking at
FOSDEM website after this message that FOSDEM moved their CFP submission
deadline from 20th of November to *10th of November* (i.e. *TOMORROW*)
https://fosdem.org/2024/news/2023-11-01-amendment-stands-cfp/

I had a reminder set for this weekend, and from the experience I know many
people submit proposals in the last few days of CFP, so if you also
planned to do it next week, better hurry.

J.


On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 12:15 PM Sharan F  wrote:

> Hi Roman
>
> Great to hear you will be there!
>
> I haven't created a wiki page yet as I have applied for an ASF booth at
> FOSDEM but haven't had any confirmation that we have got one yet.
>
> They have announced the accepted Devrooms but not which Stands/booths are
> accepted so we need to wait until the 20th November to find out.
>
> Thanks
> Sharan
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 9 Nov 2023, 10:50 Roman Shaposhnik,  wrote:
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > I remember we typically have a wiki page for coordinating
> > things around FOSDEM -- I just forgot the URL :-( Little help?
> >
> > Also, I'll definitely be there and also plan to be at the State of
> > Open CON in UK after that.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Roman.
> >
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> >
> >
>

Re: FOSDEM 2024

[Jarek Potiuk]

So as Sharan corrected me (thanks)- it's for stands. not talks (facepalm)
Sorry for the alarm!

J.



On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 1:53 PM Jarek Potiuk  wrote:

>
> Also if you wanted to submit a talk. I just realized after looking at
> FOSDEM website after this message that FOSDEM moved their CFP submission
> deadline from 20th of November to *10th of November* (i.e. *TOMORROW*)
> https://fosdem.org/2024/news/2023-11-01-amendment-stands-cfp/
>
> I had a reminder set for this weekend, and from the experience I know many
> people submit proposals in the last few days of CFP, so if you also
> planned to do it next week, better hurry.
>
> J.
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 12:15 PM Sharan F  wrote:
>
>> Hi Roman
>>
>> Great to hear you will be there!
>>
>> I haven't created a wiki page yet as I have applied for an ASF booth at
>> FOSDEM but haven't had any confirmation that we have got one yet.
>>
>> They have announced the accepted Devrooms but not which Stands/booths are
>> accepted so we need to wait until the 20th November to find out.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sharan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 9 Nov 2023, 10:50 Roman Shaposhnik,  wrote:
>>
>> > Hi!
>> >
>> > I remember we typically have a wiki page for coordinating
>> > things around FOSDEM -- I just forgot the URL :-( Little help?
>> >
>> > Also, I'll definitely be there and also plan to be at the State of
>> > Open CON in UK after that.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Roman.
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>>
>

Re: FOSDEM 2024

[Sharan F]

Hi All

There is a Community Devroom at FOSDEM and the call for talks is open until
the 1st December.

The link to the CFP is below.

https://laura.community/2023/11/08/fosdem-2024-community-devroom-call-for-participation/

Thanks
Sharan

On Thu, 9 Nov 2023, 14:17 Jarek Potiuk,  wrote:

> So as Sharan corrected me (thanks)- it's for stands. not talks (facepalm)
> Sorry for the alarm!
>
> J.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 1:53 PM Jarek Potiuk  wrote:
>
> >
> > Also if you wanted to submit a talk. I just realized after looking at
> > FOSDEM website after this message that FOSDEM moved their CFP submission
> > deadline from 20th of November to *10th of November* (i.e. *TOMORROW*)
> > https://fosdem.org/2024/news/2023-11-01-amendment-stands-cfp/
> >
> > I had a reminder set for this weekend, and from the experience I know
> many
> > people submit proposals in the last few days of CFP, so if you also
> > planned to do it next week, better hurry.
> >
> > J.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 12:15 PM Sharan F  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Roman
> >>
> >> Great to hear you will be there!
> >>
> >> I haven't created a wiki page yet as I have applied for an ASF booth at
> >> FOSDEM but haven't had any confirmation that we have got one yet.
> >>
> >> They have announced the accepted Devrooms but not which Stands/booths
> are
> >> accepted so we need to wait until the 20th November to find out.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Sharan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, 9 Nov 2023, 10:50 Roman Shaposhnik,  wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi!
> >> >
> >> > I remember we typically have a wiki page for coordinating
> >> > things around FOSDEM -- I just forgot the URL :-( Little help?
> >> >
> >> > Also, I'll definitely be there and also plan to be at the State of
> >> > Open CON in UK after that.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Roman.
> >> >
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> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
>

[PR] Remove broken link (comdev-site)

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New guy here

[B C]

Where can I find someone to help me understand what this ASF licensing thing is?
I need someone to explain it to me like I'm 5yrs old, please.

Get Outlook for Android

Re: [PR] Remove broken link (comdev-site)

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[website] Sample presentations

[rbowen]

I'm looking at https://community.apache.org/speakers/slides.html and I
have to admit, I hate it. I would like to rearrange it by topic, rather
than as a list of names that 99% of our audience won't recognize.

My question is, do you think that folks will be offended if I remove
their names as the primary headers on this page? (Authors can,
obviously, still be attributed next to the various links.)

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[PR] Adds Apache Training "what is the ASF" presentation (comdev-site)

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Re: [website] Sample presentations

[Martin Desruisseaux]

Le 2023-11-09 à 16 h 45, rbo...@rcbowen.com a écrit :

My question is, do you think that folks will be offended if I remove 
their names as the primary headers on this page? (Authors can, 
obviously, still be attributed next to the various links.)


I guess that it would be fine. Even if some speakers wanted notoriety, I 
presume they would understand that attendees need to find their 
presentation before they discover who made it.


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Re: [website] Sample presentations

[rbowen]

On Thu, 2023-11-09 at 10:45 -0500, rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote:
> I'm looking at https://community.apache.org/speakers/slides.html and
> I
> have to admit, I hate it. I would like to rearrange it by topic,
> rather
> than as a list of names that 99% of our audience won't recognize.
> 
> My question is, do you think that folks will be offended if I remove
> their names as the primary headers on this page? (Authors can,
> obviously, still be attributed next to the various links.)


Stepping back a bit ... I suppose the question I would ask about this
page is, what is the *goal* of the page?

If the goal is "give people a place to show off their conference
appearances" then that's what it's doing.

If, on the other hand, the goal is to provide recommended sample
presentations for folks to 1) learn from and 2) use as starter content
for their own presentations on these topics, then I think it fails
pretty spectacularly.

Having 73 variations of "The Apache Way" is confusing and frustrating.
Meanwhile, our attempts to collaborate on one canonical version have
resulted in
https://training.apache.org/presentations/comdev/apache-intro/ which I
think is what we *should* be promoting.


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Re: New guy here

[Gilles Sadowski]

Hello.

Le jeu. 9 nov. 2023 à 16:37, B C  a écrit :
>
> Where can I find someone to help me understand what this ASF licensing thing 
> is?
> I need someone to explain it to me like I'm 5yrs old, please.

Do you ask something specific about the ASF license?
Or do you ask what a license is?
[IOW:  What is the question?]

The top result of a web search ("explain apache license") returns:
---CUT---
The Apache License is a permissive free software license written by
the Apache Software Foundation (ASF). It allows users to use the
software for any purpose, to distribute it, to modify it, and to
distribute modified versions of the software under the terms of the
license, without concern for royalties.
---CUT---

Regards,
Gilles

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Re: [website] Sample presentations

[Shane Curcuru]

rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote on 11/9/23 11:13 AM:

On Thu, 2023-11-09 at 10:45 -0500, rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote:

I'm looking at https://community.apache.org/speakers/slides.html and
I
have to admit, I hate it. I would like to rearrange it by topic,
rather
than as a list of names that 99% of our audience won't recognize.

My question is, do you think that folks will be offended if I remove
their names as the primary headers on this page? (Authors can,
obviously, still be attributed next to the various links.)


Rearrange away.  10 years ago I had the same thought and was equally 
scared at reordering anything.  Today I agree: it needs to be organized 
by general topic, and old versions of slides or things that are no 
longer useful should be removed.




Stepping back a bit ... I suppose the question I would ask about this
page is, what is the *goal* of the page?


One good goal would be "a place to find a selection reviewed and high 
quality list of slide decks / presentations about common ASF topics". 
We can never be complete; but we could provide a useful overview of some 
key talks about ASF concepts for those people who like learning from 
slides or presentations.  Bonus points for ones where we can include 
video/audio; I think this is one of the few places that might get some 
newcomers to watch.


We (Rich in particular!) have been working on updating a lot of plain 
and straightforward text explanations of basic concepts.  But I think it 
would be useful (with work to do cleanup here!) to also have a page that 
lists useful presentations too.


...snip...

Having 73 variations of "The Apache Way" is confusing and frustrating.
Meanwhile, our attempts to collaborate on one canonical version have
resulted in
https://training.apache.org/presentations/comdev/apache-intro/ which I
think is what we *should* be promoting.


Um, isn't that really a "state of the feather" talk?  If we want to give 
an overview of the ASF; great.  If we want to showcase the behaviors 
that make up "the Apache Way", then I'd suggest starting here, and be 
sure to read speaker notes, where I explicitly try to include the "why":


https://shaneslides.com/2023/10/The-ASF-Way/

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- Shane
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Re: VP Conferences changes

[Shane Curcuru]

rbo...@rcbowen.com wrote on 11/8/23 9:45 AM:
...snip...

I'm honestly torn as to whether this troll-y message merits a response.


No, it didn't merit a response, but here we are anyway! 8-)

The response feels like it's from someone who fundamentally doesn't 
understand ASF governance.  The change of running ApacheCon is merely 
moving from Rich (Mr. ApacheCon himself; there are not enough words for 
us all to thank him for his conference services) to Brian and some 
related folks, likely including Ruth.


As you noted, Brian and Ruth have effectively already been running the 
past couple of conferences, so I don't expect any changes - other than 
seeing Rich being relaxed at an event someday!


In terms of content at our main event, I don't expect any other changes. 
 The mere words "Marketing and Publicity" in Brian's title doesn't 
change the fact he's already been co-running our conferences.


--
- Shane
  Still not recovering past ComCom member
  The Apache Software Foundation

P.S. Thanks Rich.


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