Re: [DISCUSS] ASF Mastodon instance?

2022-11-07 Thread Peter kovacs
Hi all

@walter
I don't think your argument is a good one.
If the name is inappropriate then we should change the Domain and not try to 
stay invisible.
However this should be a different discussion.

@Niels
An own server means work. I think it is only feasible if we get a team together 
that maintains the service. Would you volunteer in case one is build?

All the best
Peter


Am 6. November 2022 23:52:03 MEZ schrieb Walter Cameron 
:
>Hi Niels,
>
>I don’t think it’s appropriate to further expand the impact of our
>improperly
>owned domain. Why risk people on social media confusing us with an
>Apache organization?
>
>Gunalchéesh,
>Walter
>
>On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 12:20 PM Niels Basjes  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Given the recent events around twitter I had this crazy idea:
>> What if the ASF would run their own Mastodon instance under the apache.org
>> domain?
>>
>> Primarily this would make it possible for all projects to have a clean
>> account that can be used for project announcements (i.e. usable by PMCs ?)
>> I expect this to also make it quite easy to archive all communication via
>> this route.
>> Like:
>>
>>- @a...@apache.org
>>- @fl...@apache.org
>>
>> Second (I consider this to be optional) it would allow all
>> committers/pmcs/... to have a clean ASF relatable point of communication.
>> In my case
>>
>>- @nielsbas...@apache.org
>>
>> I have NO idea how easy/hard/expensive such a thing is at the scale of the
>> ASF.
>> I just wanted to drop the idea here so it can be discussed (and then either
>> be accepted or rejected).
>>
>> Curious to hear your thoughts.
>>
>> --
>> Best regards
>> Niels Basjes
>>


Re: [DISCUSS] ASF Mastodon instance?

2022-11-07 Thread Niels Basjes
I'm sorry to admit I don't have the skills to keep something like this
running reliable at this scale.

Niels

On Mon, 7 Nov 2022, 12:41 Peter kovacs,  wrote:

> Hi all
>
> @walter
> I don't think your argument is a good one.
> If the name is inappropriate then we should change the Domain and not try
> to stay invisible.
> However this should be a different discussion.
>
> @Niels
> An own server means work. I think it is only feasible if we get a team
> together that maintains the service. Would you volunteer in case one is
> build?
>
> All the best
> Peter
>
>
> Am 6. November 2022 23:52:03 MEZ schrieb Walter Cameron <
> walter.li...@waltercameron.com>:
> >Hi Niels,
> >
> >I don’t think it’s appropriate to further expand the impact of our
> >improperly
> >owned domain. Why risk people on social media confusing us with an
> >Apache organization?
> >
> >Gunalchéesh,
> >Walter
> >
> >On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 12:20 PM Niels Basjes  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Given the recent events around twitter I had this crazy idea:
> >> What if the ASF would run their own Mastodon instance under the
> apache.org
> >> domain?
> >>
> >> Primarily this would make it possible for all projects to have a clean
> >> account that can be used for project announcements (i.e. usable by PMCs
> ?)
> >> I expect this to also make it quite easy to archive all communication
> via
> >> this route.
> >> Like:
> >>
> >>- @a...@apache.org
> >>- @fl...@apache.org
> >>
> >> Second (I consider this to be optional) it would allow all
> >> committers/pmcs/... to have a clean ASF relatable point of
> communication.
> >> In my case
> >>
> >>- @nielsbas...@apache.org
> >>
> >> I have NO idea how easy/hard/expensive such a thing is at the scale of
> the
> >> ASF.
> >> I just wanted to drop the idea here so it can be discussed (and then
> either
> >> be accepted or rejected).
> >>
> >> Curious to hear your thoughts.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Best regards
> >> Niels Basjes
> >>
>


Re: [DISCUSS] ASF Mastodon instance?

2022-11-07 Thread Gilles Sadowski
Hello.

Le lun. 7 nov. 2022 à 12:41, Peter kovacs  a écrit :
>
> Hi all
>
> @walter
> I don't think your argument is a good one.
> If the name is inappropriate then we should change the Domain and not try to 
> stay invisible.
> However this should be a different discussion.

That discussion happened, and got nowhere concretely, most probably
because of the huge impact on long-time habits and existing infrastructure.
IIUC, Walter is suggesting to not add to the pile of required updates in case
the ASF would, some day, want to clear away all misleading associations
with the people referred to as "Apache".

A corollary, indeed part of this discussion, would be that a new communication
channel should not involve the term "apache" (a discussion about alternative
names also happened).

Best regards,
Gilles

>
> @Niels
> An own server means work. I think it is only feasible if we get a team 
> together that maintains the service. Would you volunteer in case one is build?
>
> All the best
> Peter
>
>
> Am 6. November 2022 23:52:03 MEZ schrieb Walter Cameron 
> :
> >Hi Niels,
> >
> >I don’t think it’s appropriate to further expand the impact of our
> >improperly
> >owned domain. Why risk people on social media confusing us with an
> >Apache organization?
> >
> >Gunalchéesh,
> >Walter
> >
> > > [...]

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Re: [DISCUSS] ASF Mastodon instance?

2022-11-07 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 11:20 PM Niels Basjes  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Given the recent events around twitter I had this crazy idea:
> What if the ASF would run their own Mastodon instance under the apache.org
> domain?
>
> Primarily this would make it possible for all projects to have a clean
> account that can be used for project announcements (i.e. usable by PMCs ?)
> I expect this to also make it quite easy to archive all communication via
> this route.
> Like:
>
>- @a...@apache.org
>- @fl...@apache.org
>
> Second (I consider this to be optional) it would allow all
> committers/pmcs/... to have a clean ASF relatable point of communication.
> In my case
>
>- @nielsbas...@apache.org
>
> I have NO idea how easy/hard/expensive such a thing is at the scale of the
> ASF.
> I just wanted to drop the idea here so it can be discussed (and then either
> be accepted or rejected).

And therein lies the rub -- I think it will be a reasonable impact on
our infra team (Greg CCed for further comments) and as such will have
to be justified...

...'cuz the only justification I have is that (and perhaps similar to
yours) "it would be really cool to have it" ;-)

Thanks,
Roman,

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Re: [DISCUSS] ASF Mastodon instance?

2022-11-07 Thread Peter Hunsberger
On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 6:24 AM Roman Shaposhnik 
wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 11:20 PM Niels Basjes  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Given the recent events around twitter I had this crazy idea:
> > What if the ASF would run their own Mastodon instance under the
> apache.org
> > domain?
> >
> > Primarily this would make it possible for all projects to have a clean
> > account that can be used for project announcements (i.e. usable by PMCs
> ?)
> > I expect this to also make it quite easy to archive all communication via
> > this route.
> > Like:
> >
> >- @a...@apache.org
> >- @fl...@apache.org
> >
> > Second (I consider this to be optional) it would allow all
> > committers/pmcs/... to have a clean ASF relatable point of communication.
> > In my case
> >
> >- @nielsbas...@apache.org
> >
> > I have NO idea how easy/hard/expensive such a thing is at the scale of
> the
> > ASF.
> > I just wanted to drop the idea here so it can be discussed (and then
> either
> > be accepted or rejected).
>
> And therein lies the rub -- I think it will be a reasonable impact on
> our infra team (Greg CCed for further comments) and as such will have
> to be justified...
>
> ...'cuz the only justification I have is that (and perhaps similar to
> yours) "it would be really cool to have it" ;-)
>
> It could give provenance to a set of social media handles for legitimate
Apache Foundation members, validating representation and preventing
imposters. Not  sure how much that's needed but I have seen some discussion
on these lists about this  in relation to Twitter, Slack, etc.

Peter Hunsberger

Thanks,
> Roman,
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Re: [DISCUSS] ASF Mastodon instance?

2022-11-07 Thread Peter Kovacs

Hi Niels

Am 07.11.22 um 12:58 schrieb Niels Basjes:

I'm sorry to admit I don't have the skills to keep something like this
running reliable at this scale.


I think you speak tech skills. I guess we would need moderators, and 
mentors for projects.


Social media / Mastodon is not only about tech. It is about community, 
isn't it?




Niels

On Mon, 7 Nov 2022, 12:41 Peter kovacs,  wrote:


Hi all

@walter
I don't think your argument is a good one.
If the name is inappropriate then we should change the Domain and not try
to stay invisible.
However this should be a different discussion.

@Niels
An own server means work. I think it is only feasible if we get a team
together that maintains the service. Would you volunteer in case one is
build?

All the best
Peter


Am 6. November 2022 23:52:03 MEZ schrieb Walter Cameron <
walter.li...@waltercameron.com>:

Hi Niels,

I don’t think it’s appropriate to further expand the impact of our
improperly
owned domain. Why risk people on social media confusing us with an
Apache organization?

Gunalchéesh,
Walter

On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 12:20 PM Niels Basjes  wrote:


Hi,

Given the recent events around twitter I had this crazy idea:
What if the ASF would run their own Mastodon instance under the

apache.org

domain?

Primarily this would make it possible for all projects to have a clean
account that can be used for project announcements (i.e. usable by PMCs

?)

I expect this to also make it quite easy to archive all communication

via

this route.
Like:

- @a...@apache.org
- @fl...@apache.org

Second (I consider this to be optional) it would allow all
committers/pmcs/... to have a clean ASF relatable point of

communication.

In my case

- @nielsbas...@apache.org

I have NO idea how easy/hard/expensive such a thing is at the scale of

the

ASF.
I just wanted to drop the idea here so it can be discussed (and then

either

be accepted or rejected).

Curious to hear your thoughts.

--
Best regards
Niels Basjes



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Re: [DISCUSS] ASF Mastodon instance?

2022-11-07 Thread Peter Kovacs



Am 07.11.22 um 13:13 schrieb Gilles Sadowski:

Hello.

Le lun. 7 nov. 2022 à 12:41, Peter kovacs  a écrit :

Hi all

@walter
I don't think your argument is a good one.
If the name is inappropriate then we should change the Domain and not try to 
stay invisible.
However this should be a different discussion.

That discussion happened, and got nowhere concretely, most probably
because of the huge impact on long-time habits and existing infrastructure.
IIUC, Walter is suggesting to not add to the pile of required updates in case
the ASF would, some day, want to clear away all misleading associations
with the people referred to as "Apache".

A corollary, indeed part of this discussion, would be that a new communication
channel should not involve the term "apache" (a discussion about alternative
names also happened).


Imho this does not sound as a blocker to me. I think the proposal is 
that we host our own social media service within the Mastodon network.


To make the proposal depend on the Domain name still sounds wrong to me.

All the best

peter



Best regards,
Gilles


@Niels
An own server means work. I think it is only feasible if we get a team together 
that maintains the service. Would you volunteer in case one is build?

All the best
Peter


Am 6. November 2022 23:52:03 MEZ schrieb Walter Cameron 
:

Hi Niels,

I don’t think it’s appropriate to further expand the impact of our
improperly
owned domain. Why risk people on social media confusing us with an
Apache organization?

Gunalchéesh,
Walter


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Re: [DISCUSS] ASF Mastodon instance?

2022-11-07 Thread Niels Basjes
Yes, normally it is a lot of work for moderating. Hence my proposal to
limit it to (initially) only projects (pmc).

By doing that I thought to eliminate the need for additional moderation.

Niels

On Mon, 7 Nov 2022, 18:00 Peter Kovacs,  wrote:

> Hi Niels
>
> Am 07.11.22 um 12:58 schrieb Niels Basjes:
> > I'm sorry to admit I don't have the skills to keep something like this
> > running reliable at this scale.
>
> I think you speak tech skills. I guess we would need moderators, and
> mentors for projects.
>
> Social media / Mastodon is not only about tech. It is about community,
> isn't it?
>
> >
> > Niels
> >
> > On Mon, 7 Nov 2022, 12:41 Peter kovacs,  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi all
> >>
> >> @walter
> >> I don't think your argument is a good one.
> >> If the name is inappropriate then we should change the Domain and not
> try
> >> to stay invisible.
> >> However this should be a different discussion.
> >>
> >> @Niels
> >> An own server means work. I think it is only feasible if we get a team
> >> together that maintains the service. Would you volunteer in case one is
> >> build?
> >>
> >> All the best
> >> Peter
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 6. November 2022 23:52:03 MEZ schrieb Walter Cameron <
> >> walter.li...@waltercameron.com>:
> >>> Hi Niels,
> >>>
> >>> I don’t think it’s appropriate to further expand the impact of our
> >>> improperly
> >>> owned domain. Why risk people on social media confusing us with an
> >>> Apache organization?
> >>>
> >>> Gunalchéesh,
> >>> Walter
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 12:20 PM Niels Basjes  wrote:
> >>>
>  Hi,
> 
>  Given the recent events around twitter I had this crazy idea:
>  What if the ASF would run their own Mastodon instance under the
> >> apache.org
>  domain?
> 
>  Primarily this would make it possible for all projects to have a clean
>  account that can be used for project announcements (i.e. usable by
> PMCs
> >> ?)
>  I expect this to also make it quite easy to archive all communication
> >> via
>  this route.
>  Like:
> 
>  - @a...@apache.org
>  - @fl...@apache.org
> 
>  Second (I consider this to be optional) it would allow all
>  committers/pmcs/... to have a clean ASF relatable point of
> >> communication.
>  In my case
> 
>  - @nielsbas...@apache.org
> 
>  I have NO idea how easy/hard/expensive such a thing is at the scale of
> >> the
>  ASF.
>  I just wanted to drop the idea here so it can be discussed (and then
> >> either
>  be accepted or rejected).
> 
>  Curious to hear your thoughts.
> 
>  --
>  Best regards
>  Niels Basjes
> 
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] ASF Mastodon instance?

2022-11-07 Thread Gary Gregory
Then why not just keep using Slack?

Gary

On Mon, Nov 7, 2022, 14:17 Niels Basjes  wrote:

> Yes, normally it is a lot of work for moderating. Hence my proposal to
> limit it to (initially) only projects (pmc).
>
> By doing that I thought to eliminate the need for additional moderation.
>
> Niels
>
> On Mon, 7 Nov 2022, 18:00 Peter Kovacs,  wrote:
>
> > Hi Niels
> >
> > Am 07.11.22 um 12:58 schrieb Niels Basjes:
> > > I'm sorry to admit I don't have the skills to keep something like this
> > > running reliable at this scale.
> >
> > I think you speak tech skills. I guess we would need moderators, and
> > mentors for projects.
> >
> > Social media / Mastodon is not only about tech. It is about community,
> > isn't it?
> >
> > >
> > > Niels
> > >
> > > On Mon, 7 Nov 2022, 12:41 Peter kovacs, 
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi all
> > >>
> > >> @walter
> > >> I don't think your argument is a good one.
> > >> If the name is inappropriate then we should change the Domain and not
> > try
> > >> to stay invisible.
> > >> However this should be a different discussion.
> > >>
> > >> @Niels
> > >> An own server means work. I think it is only feasible if we get a team
> > >> together that maintains the service. Would you volunteer in case one
> is
> > >> build?
> > >>
> > >> All the best
> > >> Peter
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Am 6. November 2022 23:52:03 MEZ schrieb Walter Cameron <
> > >> walter.li...@waltercameron.com>:
> > >>> Hi Niels,
> > >>>
> > >>> I don’t think it’s appropriate to further expand the impact of our
> > >>> improperly
> > >>> owned domain. Why risk people on social media confusing us with an
> > >>> Apache organization?
> > >>>
> > >>> Gunalchéesh,
> > >>> Walter
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 12:20 PM Niels Basjes 
> wrote:
> > >>>
> >  Hi,
> > 
> >  Given the recent events around twitter I had this crazy idea:
> >  What if the ASF would run their own Mastodon instance under the
> > >> apache.org
> >  domain?
> > 
> >  Primarily this would make it possible for all projects to have a
> clean
> >  account that can be used for project announcements (i.e. usable by
> > PMCs
> > >> ?)
> >  I expect this to also make it quite easy to archive all
> communication
> > >> via
> >  this route.
> >  Like:
> > 
> >  - @a...@apache.org
> >  - @fl...@apache.org
> > 
> >  Second (I consider this to be optional) it would allow all
> >  committers/pmcs/... to have a clean ASF relatable point of
> > >> communication.
> >  In my case
> > 
> >  - @nielsbas...@apache.org
> > 
> >  I have NO idea how easy/hard/expensive such a thing is at the scale
> of
> > >> the
> >  ASF.
> >  I just wanted to drop the idea here so it can be discussed (and then
> > >> either
> >  be accepted or rejected).
> > 
> >  Curious to hear your thoughts.
> > 
> >  --
> >  Best regards
> >  Niels Basjes
> > 
> >
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> >
> >
>


Re: The ASF at OpenSource Experience Paris, France

2022-11-07 Thread Hervé Boutemy
FYI, I will be able to join our booth only at 12h: I'll take all the swag that 
Sharan gave me during ApacheCON

see you tomorrow

Hervé

Le dimanche 16 octobre 2022, 16:21:05 CET Jean-Baptiste Onofré a écrit :
> Perfect !
> Thanks, I will try to print some.
> 
> Yes, Olivier should be there with the roller banner.
> 
> Regards
> JB
> 
> On Sun, Oct 16, 2022 at 4:17 PM Sharan Foga  wrote:
> > Hi JB
> > 
> > All the project logos are here https://apache.org/logos/  - these are the
> > ones I use for sticker printing. Herve has a few project ones but mainly
> > the general ASF ones for Community over code, Apache Way and the
> > foundation ones.
> > 
> > If Olivier is coming along then I think he has one of the ASF roller
> > banners.
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=81789772
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Sharan
> > 
> > On 2022/10/16 14:07:20 Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
> > > Hey Sharan
> > > 
> > > Oh cool. Hervé will bring some then ;)
> > > 
> > > I can print some stickers myself (if you have the svg / high resolution
> > > files).
> > > 
> > > Thanks !
> > > Regards
> > > JB
> > > 
> > > Le dim. 16 oct. 2022 à 16:02, Sharan Foga  a écrit :
> > > > Hi JB
> > > > 
> > > > I'm not sure if I will make it over there this time but in New Orleans
> > > >  I
> > > > gave Herve some stickers and giveaways to bring over for the ASF booth
> > > > :-)
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Sharan
> > > > 
> > > > On 2022/10/11 12:31:53 Jean-Baptiste Onofré wrote:
> > > > > Hey Ryan,
> > > > > 
> > > > > More people, more fun ;)
> > > > > 
> > > > > So, you are more than welcome !
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thank you,
> > > > > Regards
> > > > > JB
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2022 at 6:44 PM Ryan Skraba  wrote:
> > > > > > Hello!  Do you still need people?  I can be present at the table
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > one of the days!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Ryan
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > On Wed, Sep 28, 2022 at 10:32 AM Jean-Baptiste Onofré
> > > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi guys,
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Thanks for your replies !
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > By the way, would it be possible to add OpenSource Experience on
> > > > > > > https://community.apache.org/calendars/ ?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Thanks !
> > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > JB
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 2:58 PM Jean-Baptiste Onofré <
> > > > 
> > > > j...@nanthrax.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi guys,
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The next OpenSource Experience event will stand November 8 & 9
> > > > 
> > > > this year:
> > > > > > > > https://www.opensource-experience.com/en/
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > It's a fairly large event about Open Source in Europe, located
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > 
> > > > Paris, France.
> > > > 
> > > > > > > > The exhibition has an area reserved for open source projects
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > 
> > > > foundations.
> > > > 
> > > > > > > > I took the lead to request a booth for The ASF. It has been
> > > > 
> > > > accepted.
> > > > 
> > > > > > > > It means we will have a booth dedicated to The ASF.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > FIrst of all, if you are in Paris on November 8 or 9, and you
> > > > > > > > want
> > > > 
> > > > to
> > > > 
> > > > > > > > help at The ASF booth, please let me know (I will be at the
> > > > > > > > booth
> > > > 
> > > > most
> > > > 
> > > > > > > > of the time, but I will have to spend time at my company booth
> > > > 
> > > > too).
> > > > 
> > > > > > > > In order to "populate" the booth, do we have process to get
> > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > gadgets/swags (stickers, ...) ? Who can help on this front ?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for your help !
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > JB
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
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RE: Re: [DISCUSS] ASF Mastodon instance?

2022-11-07 Thread Greg Stein
On 2022/11/07 14:32:29 Peter Hunsberger wrote:
>...
> It could give provenance to a set of social media handles for legitimate
> Apache Foundation members, validating representation and preventing
> imposters. Not  sure how much that's needed but I have seen some
discussion
> on these lists about this  in relation to Twitter, Slack, etc.

I have never seen anybody attempt to impersonate Foundation Officers,
Members, or Apache contributors on social media. Maybe it has happened to
some individuals, but unless they're attempting to *defraud* the
Foundation, then it isn't a problem to be solved.

Personally, I see no reason for the Foundation to get involved with running
a social media platform. We chose Slack specifically so that we don't have
to host that kind of service. We write software, not solve the world's
issues-of-the-week with social media.

Cheers,
-g


Re: [DISCUSS] ASF Mastodon instance?

2022-11-07 Thread Peter Hunsberger
On Mon, Nov 7, 2022 at 1:28 PM Gary Gregory  wrote:

> Then why not just keep using Slack?
>
> Mastodon would let you federate to the rest of the outside world.  It
could let the ASF tell the world that some group of people (coming from the
Apache Mastodon server) have been vetted by us. Vetted could range
somewhere from "has an apache.org email" to approved by the board
somehow  (We could do both with two different servers.)

Peter Hunsberger


> Gary
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2022, 14:17 Niels Basjes  wrote:
>
> > Yes, normally it is a lot of work for moderating. Hence my proposal to
> > limit it to (initially) only projects (pmc).
> >
> > By doing that I thought to eliminate the need for additional moderation.
> >
> > Niels
> >
> > On Mon, 7 Nov 2022, 18:00 Peter Kovacs,  wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Niels
> > >
> > > Am 07.11.22 um 12:58 schrieb Niels Basjes:
> > > > I'm sorry to admit I don't have the skills to keep something like
> this
> > > > running reliable at this scale.
> > >
> > > I think you speak tech skills. I guess we would need moderators, and
> > > mentors for projects.
> > >
> > > Social media / Mastodon is not only about tech. It is about community,
> > > isn't it?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Niels
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, 7 Nov 2022, 12:41 Peter kovacs, 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hi all
> > > >>
> > > >> @walter
> > > >> I don't think your argument is a good one.
> > > >> If the name is inappropriate then we should change the Domain and
> not
> > > try
> > > >> to stay invisible.
> > > >> However this should be a different discussion.
> > > >>
> > > >> @Niels
> > > >> An own server means work. I think it is only feasible if we get a
> team
> > > >> together that maintains the service. Would you volunteer in case one
> > is
> > > >> build?
> > > >>
> > > >> All the best
> > > >> Peter
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Am 6. November 2022 23:52:03 MEZ schrieb Walter Cameron <
> > > >> walter.li...@waltercameron.com>:
> > > >>> Hi Niels,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I don’t think it’s appropriate to further expand the impact of our
> > > >>> improperly
> > > >>> owned domain. Why risk people on social media confusing us with an
> > > >>> Apache organization?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Gunalchéesh,
> > > >>> Walter
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 12:20 PM Niels Basjes 
> > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > >  Hi,
> > > 
> > >  Given the recent events around twitter I had this crazy idea:
> > >  What if the ASF would run their own Mastodon instance under the
> > > >> apache.org
> > >  domain?
> > > 
> > >  Primarily this would make it possible for all projects to have a
> > clean
> > >  account that can be used for project announcements (i.e. usable by
> > > PMCs
> > > >> ?)
> > >  I expect this to also make it quite easy to archive all
> > communication
> > > >> via
> > >  this route.
> > >  Like:
> > > 
> > >  - @a...@apache.org
> > >  - @fl...@apache.org
> > > 
> > >  Second (I consider this to be optional) it would allow all
> > >  committers/pmcs/... to have a clean ASF relatable point of
> > > >> communication.
> > >  In my case
> > > 
> > >  - @nielsbas...@apache.org
> > > 
> > >  I have NO idea how easy/hard/expensive such a thing is at the
> scale
> > of
> > > >> the
> > >  ASF.
> > >  I just wanted to drop the idea here so it can be discussed (and
> then
> > > >> either
> > >  be accepted or rejected).
> > > 
> > >  Curious to hear your thoughts.
> > > 
> > >  --
> > >  Best regards
> > >  Niels Basjes
> > > 
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