Encryption of a a thumb drive

[john s.]

I have encrypted a thumb drive using cryptsetup and luks. The drive is used for
storing passwords. Cryptsetup requires that the drive be formatted ext2, ext3
or ext4.

My problem is that I cannot use the drive on a windows machine (belonging to my
wife). Is there an alternative way to encrypt the drive?

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Encryption of a a thumb drive

[john s.]

I have encrypted a thumb drive using cryptsetup and luks. The drive is used for
storing passwords. Cryptsetup requires that the drive be formatted ext2, ext3
or ext4.

My problem is that I cannot use the drive on a windows machine (belonging to my
wife). Is there an alternative way to encrypt the drive?

John 

ps. sorry about multiple copies.

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Encryption of a a thumb drive

[john s.]

I have encrypted a thumb drive using cryptsetup and luks. The drive is used for
storing passwords. Cryptsetup requires that the drive be formatted ext2, ext3
or ext4.

My problem is that I cannot use the drive on a windows machine (belonging to my
wife). Is there an alternative way to encrypt the drive?

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Re: Encryption of a a thumb drive

[john s.]

On Sat, 5 Apr 2014 15:38:53 +0100
Brian  wrote:

> On Sat 05 Apr 2014 at 09:39:09 -0400, john s. wrote:
> 
> > I have encrypted a thumb drive using cryptsetup and luks. The drive is used
> > for storing passwords. Cryptsetup requires that the drive be formatted
> > ext2, ext3 or ext4.
> > 
> > My problem is that I cannot use the drive on a windows machine (belonging
> > to my wife). Is there an alternative way to encrypt the drive?
> 
> This answers a question you didn't ask:
> 
>
> http://superuser.com/questions/600760/could-disk-encrypted-with-cryptsetup-on-linux-be-read-on-windows
> 

Wow, that was quick! Thank you  I'll check that out.


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Console font

[john s.]

How can I increase the size of the console font?


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Re: Console font

[john s.]

On Thu, 22 May 2014 16:06:47 +0200
Francesco Ariis  wrote:

> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 09:34:21AM -0400, john s. wrote:
> > How can I increase the size of the console font?
> > 
> 
> It depends on your terminal emulator. I suppose it's gnome-terminal.
> Can you check and report back?
> 
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This is a new install without no desktop ie. just the base installion

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Re: Console font (solved)

[john s.]

On Thu, 22 May 2014 14:19:24 + (UTC)
Curt  wrote:

> On 2014-05-22, Francesco Ariis  wrote:
> > On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 09:34:21AM -0400, john s. wrote:
> >> How can I increase the size of the console font?
> >> 
> >
> > It depends on your terminal emulator. I suppose it's gnome-terminal.
> > Can you check and report back?
> >
>  
> I interpret console to mean the black screen upon which everything is
> cast when out of the X environment (which would exclude gnome-terminal).
> 
> Perhaps he needs to run 'dpkg-reconfigure console-setup'?
> 
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Yes the solution is dpkg-reconfigure console-setup. Thankyou!

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grub2 and linux from scratch

[john s]

grub2 is doing something I don't understand.

/etc/default/grub has the line:
GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR=`lsb_release -i -c -s 2> /dev/null || echo Debian`

the boot menu shows:

linux from scratch gnu/linux
advanced options for linux from scratch etc.
debian gnu/linux (jessie/sid) on sda2
advanced options for debian gnu/linux, etc.

I have two instances of debian - on sda1 jessie and on sda2 sid.

sid has no boot loader, and grub is written to /dev/sda by jessie.

What is this linux from scratch? And why does grub then correctly
describe the discovered distribution?

I believe that I can fix the problem by using a custom menu, but I am
puzzled by the "linux from scratch" thing.


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Re: [help!] Can not use nvidia driver in debian sid

[john s.]

On Mon, 17 Mar 2014 02:40:33 +0800
iijima yoshino  wrote:

> Hey, there!
> I have an old pc with a Nvidia GeForce 6600 card.
> Firstly I installed Debian 7.4 and everything was O.K.
> (nvidia-detect told me to install nvidia-glx and it worked.)
> 
> Then I changed a monitor and upgraded to Debian sid.
> (old one is 1024x768, the new one is 1280x1024.)
> And nvidia-detect tells that the nvidia-legacy-304xx-driver is
> recommaned.
> I reinstalled the driver and used nvidia-xconfig to
> creat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
> 
> Rebooting 
> 
> lsmod |grep nvidia, not found?
> startx, no screen found, what?
> After tried several times, like modifing xorg.conf, using xrandar,
> whaterver.
> I decided to use the nouveau driver, but the screen is only 1024x768.
> So I'm lost now, why a monitor-change can make this happens?
> Please help! And thanks for any helpful advices.

I suspect that the problem is bug #740097 I am also waiting for a solution. I
expect that all will be fixed in due time. In the mean time use the earlier
kernel 2.12. I have attached the information I received from the bug tracking
system.

regards,


John 
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bug #740097
Description: Binary data

problem mounting usb thumb drive

[John S.]

I have a fresh install of xfce on wheezy. The machine is an eracks
desktop with an amd phenom II cpu, 8 Gb ram. I have previously run
roughly the same configuration of xfce before, but there were large
element of gnome also on the machine. Being of feeble mind and
forgetting all the other times I had disturbed sleeping dogs, I did
the fresh install thing. Everything is fine, I noticed that gdm had
been replaced by xdm. 

My problem: usb thumb drive does not mount automatically.
I can su and mount it from the command line.
I checked and I am a member of the plugdev group.
The last line of mtab reads:
/dev/sdb1 /media/usb0 vfat
rw,noexec,nodev,sync,noatime,nodiratime 0 0
After mounting the drive by hand, I noticed that the
/media directory has had usb0 usb1 etc. added to it
and it is possible to mount the drive with a mouse,
but as a user it is read only (not what mtab says?)

Before I go off rooting about as root and causing untold damage, I'm
asking for some help. (I did send in an installation report with the
installation logs, etc. - perhaps I will get some help there.)



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Re: problem mounting usb thumb drive

[John S.]

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:31:50 +0100
Brian  wrote:

> On Wed 26 Oct 2011 at 18:50:36 -0400, John S. wrote:
> 
> > My problem: usb thumb drive does not mount automatically.
> 
> Searching the October postings for this list with 'xfce' gets you a
> solution.
> 
> 
Thanks for the info. But Having done all that, ie.

1. inserted (as suggested) the line: session optional pam_loginuid.co
   in /etc/pam.d/common-session just before session optional
   pam_ck_connector.so nox11

2. Two new files in /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d
   ie. consolekit.pkla with contents:

[restart]
Identity=unix-user:*
Action=org.freedesktop.consolekit.system.restart
ResultAny=yes

[stop]
Identity=unix-user:john
Action=org.freedesktop.consolekit.system.stop
ResultAny=yes

   and udisks.pkla containing:

[udisks]
Identity=unix-user:*
Action=org.freedesktop.udisks*
ResultAny=yes


Still no change. Any further help would be appreciated.


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Re: problem mounting usb thumb drive

[John S.]

On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:42:11 +0100
Brian  wrote:

> On Thu 27 Oct 2011 at 11:35:36 -0400, John S. wrote:
> 
> > Thanks for the info. But Having done all that, ie.
> > 
> > 1. inserted (as suggested) the line: session optional
pam_loginuid.co > >in /etc/pam.d/common-session just before session
optional > >pam_ck_connector.so nox11 --->>>
> > <<<

> > Still no change. Any further help would be appreciated.
> 
> Is this no change in being able to mount the stick as a user or being
> able to auto-mount?
> 
Unable to mount as a user. Unable to automount. 
> 1. and 2. are alternatives. Without either of them, trying to mount
the > drive from a right click on its desktop icon gives 'Permission
Denied'. > Some people report 1. does not work for them. A third
>alternative is to remove xdm and install GDM3 or LightDM.
 
Tried option 1 only then option 2 only no change. GDM3 was already
installed and that solves the xdm logout problem. 

 
> Auto-mounting needs thunar-volman installed and Volume Management
enabled > in Thunar.
thunar-volman is automatically installed.

Having done all that, I installed  the stable (squeeze) version on the
second half (unused) of my hard disk. Everything worked fine, and I did
a force-upgrade to testing. The only problem was that I had to delete
openoffice and install libreoffice.

Everything works fine which suggests that my problem is with the
installer program. I sent in an installation report and a bug has been
filed: #646550

Thanks for your time, 


John.

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Gnome 3 and non-free firmware

[John S.]

I use Xfce on wheezy and and happy but I was interested enough to
install gnome 3 on a spare drive. Everything went fine except that I
was forced into using the fall back version as the installer couldn't
find a suitable graphics (3D) driver.

The on-board  graphics chip is nVidia. I have never had the need for
fancy graphics ability, gaming etc. but I have some concern if non-free
firmware is a requirement for running Gnome3.


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Re: Gnome 3 and non-free firmware

[John S.]

On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:26:43 +0200
Rares Aioanei  wrote:

> On 11/14/2011 03:04 AM, John S. wrote:
> > I use Xfce on wheezy and and happy but I was interested enough to
> > install gnome 3 on a spare drive. Everything went fine except that I
> > was forced into using the fall back version as the installer
> > couldn't find a suitable graphics (3D) driver.
> >
> > The on-board  graphics chip is nVidia. I have never had the need for
> > fancy graphics ability, gaming etc. but I have some concern if
> > non-free firmware is a requirement for running Gnome3.
> >
> >
> > John.
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> Try installing libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental.
> 
> 

Thanks for the helpful suggestions. The gnome3 installation was for me
just a try out and I don't really want to get into a learning curve for
s desktop that I don't normally use. so I'll leave it there and thanks
again for your suggestions

John.



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Spell checking with qtm clogging client

[John S.]

I use qtm with xfce on wheezy. I like it, but I am a poor speller and I
like to have a spell checker available. With the above setup, qtm has
appears to have no spell checker. Google came up with a file:
libgtkspell0 >= 2.0.10.0 This file has been installed, but qtm does
not show it as a depends, recommends or suggested.

What best for me to do? 



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debian 1.2x ldso upgrades

[John S. Murphy]

Having problems upgrading libc5, xlib6 and ldso

using dpkg I get;

**
Setting up ldso (1.8.12-1) ...
ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so (No such file or
directory), skipping
ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so (No such file or
directory), skipping
ldconfig: warning: can't open /usr/X11R6/lib/libXp.so (No such file or
directory), skipping

**

I feel like I am in a loop here, as the package map says that the above
libraries are in xlib6, which is asking for ldso

ideas?

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help with sound config

[john s anderson]

Greetings.

I've recently switched to Debian (from LinuxPPC (home) and RedHat(work)),
and I'm enjoying it quite a bit. I installed from the O'Reilly disk, and
then did an update to frozen (I think I even got it mostly correct!).

I'm currently trying to get my SoundBlaster PCI128 card to work, and I'm
on my seventh kernel compile, and I'm starting to pull my hair out. The
damn thing won't work! I'm basically a Mac person/PC hardware loser, so
I'm afraid there's some basic thing I'm missing. Any help or pointers
welcomed, and please don't hesitate with insultingly simple ones, either.

One thing, however: there is no M$ OS on this box, and I really have no
access to an M$ OS -- which has been part of the trouble. Most of the
HOWTOs I've found tend to fall back to DOS for trouble shooting, and that
won't work for me.

Specifics: frozen/potato, updated afternoon of 4 Feb 2000. Installing
2.2.14 kernel, using kernel-package method as outlined in README. Have
tried several combinations of sound in kernel/as module, ES1371 in
kernel/as module, and OSS SoundBlaster drivers, in kernel/as module. Based
on the output of 'lspci -n', this is a ES1371 card, so I haven't tried the
es1370 driver. Should I try ALSA?

Hardware: Celeron 400A, Abit BE6-II, Trident 3D Image 975 AGP card,
SoundBlaster PCI128 in PCI4, generic ISA hardware modem in ISA slot. 

Thanks in advance,
john.

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slink->frozen upgrade problems

[john s anderson]

Greetings! 

I've been trying to move a system at work from Red Hat to Debian for the
last day or so, without much success. The initial slink install goes okay
(I'm using the CD from the O'Reilly book), and I'm able to select and
install various things.

However, I'd like to update the installation to at least frozen, and
probably to unstable -- and that's where the problem comes in. After doing
the base install, I add the frozen line to sources.list, do `apt-get
update` -- all of which works as expected.

Any attempt to install pretty much anything after that won't work, because
of some problem between debianutils and libc6. It looks to me like they're
 mutually pre-dependent, or something. Here's the error output from
`apt-get install libc6`:


penguin:~# apt-get install libc6
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
  g++ libstdc++2.10 cpp gcc debianutils libc6-dev libstdc++2.10-dev
binutils
  ldso
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  timezones libstdc++2.9-dev egcc
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  libstdc++2.10 libstdc++2.10-dev
8 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed, 3 to remove and 582 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B/7390kB of archives. After unpacking 9989kB will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
E: Internal Error, Couldn't configure a pre-depend


Any help would be welcomed, or if there's anything else I should try, etc.
please let me know. I need to get this box back up and working pretty
soon, or the boss-man is gonna be unhappy...

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Re: slink->frozen upgrade problems

[john s anderson]

On Tue, 22 Feb 2000, Mike Werner wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 22, 2000 at 11:37:13AM -0700, john s anderson wrote:
> 
> The way I did this was jump in with both feet.  I did
> apt-get update
> apt-get dist-upgrade

Just to clarify: the above does *NOT* work, as of 1630 MST 02/22/2000.

The libc6_2.1.3-4_i386.deb fails to install, with the error 'Couldn't
configure a pre-depend'. This appears to be due to it being pre-dependent
on debianutils, which is in turn predendent on libc6. The version numbers
that are required make this upgrade impossible to do at the moment.

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"invalid ICMP error to broadcast"

[John S. Gage]

I keep getting the following message on my terminal screen:

"NET: 53 messages suppressed
172.16.160.53 sent an invalid ICMP error to a broadcast
172.16.160.53 sent an invalid ICMP error to a broadcast
172.16.160.53 sent an invalid ICMP error to a broadcast
172.16.160.53 sent an invalid ICMP error to a broadcast
172.16.160.53 sent an invalid ICMP error to a broadcast
172.16.160.53 sent an invalid ICMP error to a broadcast
172.16.160.53 sent an invalid ICMP error to a broadcast
172.16.160.53 sent an invalid ICMP error to a broadcast"

this completely disrupts what I am doing and makes Debian unusable.

John Gage

"invalid ICMP error to broadcast"

[John S. Gage]

I keep getting the following message on my terminal screen:

"NET: 53 messages suppressed
172.16.160.53 sent an invalid ICMP error to a broadcast
172.16.160.53 sent an invalid ICMP error to a broadcast
172.16.160.53 sent an invalid ICMP error to a broadcast
172.16.160.53 sent an invalid ICMP error to a broadcast
172.16.160.53 sent an invalid ICMP error to a broadcast
172.16.160.53 sent an invalid ICMP error to a broadcast
172.16.160.53 sent an invalid ICMP error to a broadcast
172.16.160.53 sent an invalid ICMP error to a broadcast"

this completely disrupts what I am doing and makes Debian unusable.

John Gage

Re: Microsoft's plans to kill open source: TCPA

[John S. J. Anderson]

"Larry Alkoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> In the meantime, can anyone please tell me what  this TCPA is all about?

Have a look at Ross Anderson's excellent TCPA / Palladium FAQ at
.

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Re: Linux Mail Client

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Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> So far all the Linux clients have taken the Eudora/Lookout!/Pegasus
> approach to email.  Either everything goes into a single inbox and
> you need to filter out from there and set up "personalities" or you
> filter to completely separate accounts and use completely separate
> programs to access them.  To me that is unacceptable.

You've been given one answer earlier in the thread: Gnus. 

It is capable of doing each of the requirements I've seen you list at
various times. Granted, some of them are non-trivial to set up, and
are going to require a bit of work, and maybe even (the horrors!) some
Lisp coding, but the potential is there.

At this point, you can reiterate again how unacceptable this solution
is, due to the need to use (X)Emacs -- but I think you're off base
here. You're making the traditional "Emacs is an editor"
fallacy. Emacs isn't an editor, it's a Lisp interpreter with some bias
towards text editing commands. You're going to need *something* that
elaborate to handle the logic flow of your "keep separate things
separate" scheme, I think.

Alternatively, I point you towards VINE, which is like Gnus, but
totally different. Perl instead of Lisp, VI(m) instead of Emacs, and
just getting started as opposed to (relatively) old and stable.

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Re: Problem with es1371

[John S. J. Anderson]

>>>>> "Petteri" == Petteri Heinonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Petteri> Hi.  I've compiled new kernel, and made soundcard support as
Petteri> modules. I've SB64PCI card, which I think is preferred as
Petteri> es1371.

What _version_ of the kernel? I've got a card that reports as a
es1371, and (due to changes in the card) it doesn't work with the 2.2
series es1371 driver.

If you get the pciutils .deb, and then do a 'lspci', you should see a
line something like this:

00:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] (rev 07)

If the number after 'rev' is '07', then you need to use the driver
from later 2.3 kernels. I'm running 2.4.0-test1, and it's been pretty
stable -- you might want to give that a go.

HTH,
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Re: Old Macs

[John S Jacobs Anderson]

on 7/18/00 11:05 AM, Sear, Mick at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 1) Does anyone know if Linux can be installed on the 7100?

MkLinux will work on that box, if I'm not mistaken. See
http://mklinux.org>

> 2) The built-in ethernet isn't working on the G3, so I want to use a PCI
> card.  I have an Intel 10/100 Pro card that I'd like to use.  Anyone know if
> I can get drivers for this?

Should just work with the drivers in the kernel, I'd think -- PCI is PCI,
after all.

Good luck,
john.
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Suck/INN HOWTO

[John S. J. Anderson]

Greetings --

Is there a beginner-targeted guide for getting this set-up? I've got
everything installed, and something is happening (I appear to have
some sort of local spool, and so on), but I'm not quite sure how to go
about configuring everything -- or even where to start.

Pointers, etc, to good (hopefully Debian-specific/oriented)
documentation welcomed.

john.

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Re: Suck/INN HOWTO

[John S. J. Anderson]

>>>>> "Jozef" == Jozef Skvarcek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Jozef> Managing Usenet by H. Spencer & D. Lawrence O'Reilly 1998

8^)

I was looking for something that wouldn't require me to go to the
bookstore. 

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Re: Dvorak keyboard layout

[John S. J. Anderson]

>>>>> "Owen" == Owen G Emry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Owen> Can someone tell me how to switch to the Dvorak keyboard layout?
Owen> I dimly recall the debian boot diskette asking to choose a
Owen> keyboard layout, but I don't know how to change it on an
Owen> installed system.

The answers from others should work for console, but if you need to do
this under X, you need to use xmodmap to remap the keys. I've got a
xmodmap file to do this; mail me if you'd like it.

john.


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Re: How to get xemacs21 to display japanese characters in gnus

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Pontus Lidman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I'm trying to use gnus to read posts written in japanese. Unfortunately it
> refuses to show the posts using japanese characters by default.

You've left out at least one crucial piece of info: what version of
gnus you're running. (Try M-x gnus-version.)

I don't have any need for Asian language display, but with (a) various
X11 font .debs (b) Gnus 5.8.7 built from source and (c) some spam from
a .jp address, I get ideographs as soon as I open the article
buffer. (Ditto for the Chinese spam I get, or at least some of it.)

So, you're going to have to give that version info, at the very
least. Also, you might have better luck on the Gnus mailing list, or
the Gnus newsgroup.

Good luck,
john.

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news server setup

[John S. J. Anderson]

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Greetings --

My ISP is once again changing Usenet providers, meaning that I'm going
to have to deal with the whole article renumbering mess. Grrr. (Did I
mention that this has happened before?)

I've decided that enough is enough, and it's time to bite the bullet
and set up a local news server, so that I can pull in my own feeds,
and not have to deal with this in the future.

Is there any relatively-newbie-level guide to setting up a Usenet
server under Debian (or under Linux, period)? I'm looking for
something that discusses the pros and cons of the available options
(inn vs. inn2 vs. leafnode vs. ...)  and how to set each of them up to
support local reading and posting. I'll be pulling in a fairly small
feed (20 to 50 groups, mostly low traffic but a few biggies (rasfw,
clpm, etc.), and the ability to easily post as well as read is a must.

Thanks for any help,
john.

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Re: gnupg & gnus

[John S. J. Anderson]

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Christoph Groth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Is there anyone successfully using gnus with gnupg out there?  I just
> wanted to ask if it's worth the effort trying it.

Yep, and it wasn't too hard to set up. Key fetching and message
decryption aren't quite seamless, but you can get it to work.

> If yes, are there any pitfalls in doing so?  Do I need any non-potato
> packages?

I think the XEmacs .debs are all you need. See
http://genehack.org/linux/xemacs-mailcrypt.html> for my mailcrypt
settings; feel free to ask if you have further questions.

john.

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Re: 'setxkbmap dvorak' not working

[John S. J. Anderson]

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Adrian Kubala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Is this an unstable-broken thing? (I didn't see any files that
> looked useful in stable though). Anybody know how to set up dvorak
> 'properly' in debian?

FWIW, I use xmodmap. In fact, I'm the only one using my system, so I
munged the gdm init files to run xmodmap during startup; I used to run
it in .xinitrc.

If you decide to give up on that other command, my xmodmap for Dvorak
is at http://genehack.org/linux/dvorak.html>

Good luck,

john.

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XFree86 4.0.1 and TrueType fonts

[John S. J. Anderson]

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Greetings --

Did the XFree86 upgrade last night. Wasn't too bad; if I hadn't
mis-remembered the video card in this box, I think it would have been
seamless. As it was, I had to do some reading and playing around to
get /etc/X11/XF86Config set up the right way.

Once I got it working, however, I was quite impressed. It's noticeably
faster than XFree 3.3.6 on window movement and screen redraws, even
with the old 4 MB Trident card I've got.

The one thing I had trouble figuring out was my fonts. I've got a slew
of various TrueType fonts in /usr/share/fonts/truetype. I was using
xfstt to serve them via port 7101, but from what I can gather, the
Right Way under the XFree86 4 is to use one of the TrueType
backends. I had

Load"freetype"

in my XF86Config, and I added the directory as a FontPath, but I
still didn't have access to those TrueType fonts. 

Reading a bit between the lines in the docu, I figured out that I
needed to do a 'mkfontdir' in my TrueType directory -- but 'mkfontdir'
didn't seem to want to work. 

Turning to Google, I found 
http://www.xfree86.org/pipermail/newbie/2000-June/17.html>,
which lead me to ttmkfdir, which I downloaded via
http://freshmeat.net/projects/ttmkfdir/>

I already had the freetype2 and freetype2-dev packages installed, so
getting ttmkfdir to build was not too hard -- I had to add
'-I/usr/include/freetype' to the CFLAGS line in the Makefile, and then
'make' built the binary. 

I then ran 'ttmkfdir /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ > fonts.scale', which
built the fonts.dir and fonts.scale files.

However, upon restarting X, I still can't see any of my TrueType
fonts.

Does anybody out there have a clue to spare on this issue?

TIA,
john.

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Re: XFree86 4.0.1 and TrueType fonts

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wulfie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> ttmkfdir in the ttf dir :) Add the path to your fonts section in
> XF86Config, freetype to the modules section (you already did both, it
> seems) & you're there.

What's the exact path to ttmkfdir on your box? I don't seem to have
it, nor do I have a ttf dir -- at least, 'locate /ttf/' doesn't
produce anything. I've got freetype in the modules section, and I've
got the path to the TrueType font directory as a FontPath, but I don't
get any TrueType fonts available in various font selection dialogs,
and nothing at all in the ttf foundry (which is where all the fonts
ended up when using xfstt).

Any other advice on where to start digging for this info? Most of the
web (including my own site, sadly enough) doesn't look all that great
in GUI browsers without the 'standard' fonts...

john.

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Re: X4 and a Trident Card? (was: Re: XFree86 4.0.1 and TrueType fonts)

[John S. J. Anderson]

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Rogerio Brito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Nov 04 2000, John S. J. Anderson wrote:
> > Once I got it working, however, I was quite impressed. It's
> > noticeably faster than XFree 3.3.6 on window movement and screen
> > redraws, even with the old 4 MB Trident card I've got.
> 
>   Old Trident Card? Hey, which one? We may be in the same boat.

It's a generic Trident 3Dimage 975 AGP card. 

>   I've got a Trident 3D Image and it was a pain in the arse to
>   get a Modeline working with 3.3.6 (X seems to misbehave with
>   this card -- if I use a line that was supposedly to use a
>   refresh rate of 60Hz, then sometimes I get my monitor saying
>   that the signal it is receiving is for 20Hz or something else
>   below its capabilities).

That's odd -- I never really had that much trouble with my monitor
(which is a generic 17" monitor from PCWarehouse). I can get 16bit
color in 1280x1024, and that's good enough for me.

>   Which card do you have? I'm also a bit scared of upgrading to
>   woody after I heard about the major breakage with the libc
>   upgrade...

Well, that should be all better now, and the XFree update was pretty
pain-free (aside from a couple hours reading man pages and trying to
kludge together a XF86Config file...)

john.


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Re: XFree86 4.0.1 and TrueType fonts

[John S. J. Anderson]

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"Marc Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> It's not all that hard... I went through this last night.

Well, yah, it shouldn't have been. 8^/= I was doing the right thing,
and for some reason, it wasn't working. Then, it started working. I'm
not sure _why_ -- but I did notice a file called
/etc/X11/.XF86Config.swp, which I reasoned might be doing something to
prevent my XF86Config from being read. So, I moved it, restarted X,
and *poof*, TrueType fonts a plenty. 

Thanks to all who wrote in with suggestions.

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Re: need help - inn2

[John S. J. Anderson]

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Russ Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I am using the inn2 package to try to set up a periodic download
> of newsgroups I read frequently.  I use a dial-up ISP, and have a
> home LAN with three computers.  I have read the docs that came with
> the package, and have read the network, cnews, and nntp sections of
> a Linux reference book I have, but have been unsuccessful in setting
> up my packages.  Below is an excerpt from the news.err log file, followed
> by a cron message.

Hey Russ,

Curiously, getting a local news server set up and working was my
project this weekend as well. I tried to set up INN2, didn't have much
luck, and fell back to INN, which I now have working (I think...)

(As an aside, if there are any documentation gurus out there, this
particular topic (using INN(2) and suck to get a local newsfeed going)
needs some attention. The only info I was able to find was at
http://www.littondale.freeserve.co.uk/LinuxAndFreeserve/News.html>;
it was helpful, but seemed a bit out of date, and didn't really have
much info about INN, just suck.)

- From the error output that you provided, it looks like the news server
is failing to start up. I had this problem with INN for a while too --
I had to generate some files in order to get it to work. IIRC, the big
stopping block was /var/lib/news/active -- if you see an error message
about an active file that suggests you run makeactive, that's the file
you're missing.

I'd suggest you poke around in /etc/init.d/, find out how the news
server is getting started, and make some of those calls from the
command line, so that you can get a better handle on why the server
isn't starting up.

Good luck, and let me know if I can help out further.

john.


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Re: need help - inn2

[John S. J. Anderson]

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Russ Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Thanks for the reply.  The news daemon is running as rc.news, as
> called by /etc/init.d/inn2.  Also running is innwatch.  My active
> file exists.  The problem appears (to me) to be an inability to
> connect to my ISP news server.  I use shadow passwords on my system.
> Is this a problem?  Is there a way to log the correspondence between
> my system and my ISP while inn2 tries to connect?

Hrm. Stuff like this was why I gave up on INN2 and fell back to
INN. 8^/=

The shadow password thing shouldn't matter, I wouldn't think -- I use
shadow passwords too. If you need to authenticate yourself to the news
server, _that_ might matter...

As far as logging the chat between your system and theirs, have a look
at the contents of /var/log/news/.

HTH,

john.

PS: If it's any motivation, once the system is set-up, it's _very_
nice -- news is *fast*; no more waiting for the modem to pull down the
next article...

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Re: TrueType fonts in X4

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Brad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> There seems to be much confusion on how to get TrueType fonts working
> with the new X4 packages. 

Thanks for the clear instructions. I sorta had TrueType stuff working,
but I think I've got stuff totally sorted now.

One wibble, however:

> 4. Sorting fonts.scale properly (more or less)
[snip]
> perl -we 'open X, "   %h=(); $n=;
> while(){
> /^(\S+\.ttf)/; unshift @{$h{$1}}, $_;
> }
> open X, ">fonts.scale" or die;
> print X $n;
> for $x (sort keys %h){ %print %X [EMAIL PROTECTED]; }'

You've got a couple typos on that last line; I rewrote it like so:

perl -e 'open X , "fonts.scale" or die; $n = ;
while() { /^(\S+\.ttf)/; unshift @{$h{$1}} , $_; }
open O , ">fonts.scale" or die; 
print O $n; print O @{$h{$_}} foreach ( sort keys %h )'

but then this isn't golf. 8^)=  The important thing is to remove the 3
'%' from the final line.

Oh, and one more thing -- instead of saying:

>  Download mkfontalias.py from Kristin's site

why not give the URL? http://home.c2i.net/dark/mkfontalias.py>

Thanks again for the good work, Brad.

john.

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Re: Helix-Gnome not installable

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Joel Dinel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

[ dependancy problem elided ]
> Has anybody else encountered this? Is there woody boxes out there
> running Helix?!

I see this also, but I've already got a working install of Helix
Gnome, so it's not a big deal...for me. Can't offer any advice as to
how to get it to work, but thought I'd let you know it's not just you.

Perhaps give it a day or two and the maintainers will fix it?

Good luck,
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bookmarker/PHP/MySQL problem

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Greetings --

I use the bookmarker deb to store my web bookmarks, because I was
already running a local webserver, and it seemed like the best
solution to the "where did I bookmark that site" problem when bouncing
around (as I currently am) between Netscape, Mozilla M18, Mozilla
nightly builds, Galeon, SkipStone, etc., etc.

Everything was working fine until earlier this week, when bookmarker
stopped working, giving the error message:

Fatal error: Call to unsupported or undefined function
mysql_pconnect() in
/var/www/bookmarker/lib/phplib/db_mysql.inc on line 73

I tried forcing the mysql.so library to load with a 'dl("mysql.so")'
in the bkprepend.inc file of bookmarker, but then I get:

Fatal error: Unable to load dynamic library
'/usr/lib/php3/apache/mysql.so' - undefined symbol: php3_ini
in /var/www/bookmarker/lib/bkprepend.inc on line 25

Clearly, something is b0rken; the questions are (a) what?, (b) is this
a local (to me) issue, a package bug, or an upstream problem?, and (c)
[most importantly] how do I fix it? I'm pretty much clueless about
PHP (although I do know a thing or two about MySQL), so I'm not even
really sure where to start looking.

Suggestions and gifts of Clue are most welcome.

Thanks in advance,
john.

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Re: bookmarker/PHP/MySQL problem

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Corey Popelier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Yes you need a line under Dynamic Extensions that says:

> extension=mysql.so

Actually, I've _got_ that line in /etc/php3/apache/php3.ini.

To re-iterate, bookmarker *was* working; I can only assume that the
apt-get dist-upgrade I did Nov 14 (which installed new php3 and
php3-mysql .debs) broke something.

Actually, I just fell back to the prior .debs (from my
/var/cache/apt/archives/), and the problem goes away. I guess I should
file a bug report against php3-mysql...

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Re: lame/not-lame deb packages

[John S. J. Anderson]

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"Michael O'Brien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I was curious if there's a deb for the lame/not-lame encoder? Just
> wanted to know before I download the binaries and install by hand.

(probably too late, but might help somebody eventually...)

add this:
deb http://forcix.cx/ debian/

to /etc/apt/sources.list, and do the usual 'apt-get update; apt-get
install' thing.

john.

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Re: Semi-frequent lock-ups

[John S Jacobs Anderson]

on 4/26/00 2:13 PM, chris horn. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> The hardware is brand new (August 1999), and top quality. I haven't had any
> trouble with it until lately, really...
> 
> Abit BP6
> Dual Celeron 400 (not o/c)
[snip]

Were you aware that there is a mailing list (linux-abit) dedicated to
hardware lock-ups with this mobo? It's been a fairly difficult bug to track
down, but some people are reporting success with the most recent BIOS update
released by Abit (version is QQ, I believe).

I don't have any of the URLs handy, but Google should.

Good luck,
john.

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lm-sensors-source

[john s jacobs anderson]

Greetings --

I'm trying to install the lm-sensors packages, and am following the
instructions for building as modules (from
/usr/share/doc/lm-sensors-source), and the build is failing in
lm-sensors/lm_sensors2/kernel/busses/i2c-voodoo3.c, in the
voodoo3_setup function (there's a mis-defined struct, or something -- I
really didn't dig into it too much.)

Is this a known bug? Any work arounds? I'd like to bump my Celeron 400
up to 500 (just for kicks, and to see how well it works), but I'd
really like to know the temps inside the case while I'm trying this.

Thanks,
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Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software

[john s jacobs anderson]

>>>>> "Jonathan" == Jonathan Markevich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  Jonathan> Let me begin by saying I don't plan to prolong this thread
  Jonathan> after saying my piece.  Insert smilie here.


me too


  Jonathan> Personally, I agree.  The issue brought up was not one of
  Jonathan> "is Emacs powerful" or "is emacs 'intuitive'" but "is
  Jonathan> emacs useful to a newbie?

Agreed. How ever, as with several of the other posters, you've
apparently felt the need not just to opine that (X)Emacs isn't
newbie-friendly[1], but to make several other statements that indicate
that you haven't actually used any emacsen for long enough to really
be commenting on how it works.

  Jonathan> It reminds me of ~three years ago the 313373 unix bigots
  Jonathan> said "Who needs KDE, I use sed to modify my olvwm config
  Jonathan> file."  Now they say they run GNOME...

(Aside: that doesn't mean they're not using sed to modify their .*rc
files, just that they're doing it with a prettier desktop picture.)

  Jonathan> The point is; some of us don't want to load a browser and
  Jonathan> a news client and a "doctor" game to write an e-mail
  Jonathan> message.

The point is, emacsen are designed to be *modular*. If you don't want
to load those things, then don't load them -- hell, delete the *.el
files that you don't need -- the basic editing functionality is still
going to be there. If you don't code Perl, ditch cperl.el. If you only
use Mew, dump Gnus.

The modularity of emacsen allows you to customize your installation to
your needs. Some people find this more difficult, or more trouble than
it's worth, and that's okay. Some of us like the control that this
type of setup gives us, and that's good too.

  Jonathan> We'd rather work the *nix "toolbox" way. 

Using an emacsen variant _is_ working the *nix 'toolbox' way, it's
just that instead of using your tools in a shell, or in a
point-and-click GUI, you use them inside an editor window. Some people
prefer to work in a garage, while others like to have a whole
dedicated workshop -- but both types of people still use saws and
hammers.[2]

  Jonathan> Just realize that and don't condemn us for that, and on
  Jonathan> the larger scale, realize that something like pico is
  Jonathan> *good for Linux*...

Just realize that this cuts both ways -- you like pico, or joe, or ae,
or (n)vi(m) -- whatever works for you is good. Just don't make
misleading statements about the tools other people like to use, okay?

  Jonathan> Thanks for the pedestal.  Back to lurk mode.


me too.


john.

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[1]  Which is fine; we can agree to disagree about this. In some
 cases, we'll both be wrong, as newbies come in all sizes, colors,
 and flavors.
[2]  Please don't try to make garage==shell and shop==emacsen, or vice
 versa -- it's an innocent little analogy, so please don't corrupt
 it by reading too much into it.

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Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software

[john s jacobs anderson]

>>>>> "Oki" == Oki DZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  Oki> On 5 May 2000, john s jacobs anderson wrote:

  >> The point is, emacsen are designed to be *modular*. If you don't
  >> want to load those things, then don't load them

  Oki> I'd like to have rmail "module" to be able to use an smtp and
  Oki> pop server which are not on port 25 and 110 respectively. The
  Oki> question is: how?  (doing a quick hack on the .el files would
  Oki> be too much for me).

I have absolutely no idea. 8^)=

However, I'm sure someone on comp.emacs or comp.emacs.xemacs does --
the large, friendly user community is another reason that the emacsen
are good for newbies.

I also think that the question is slightly more advanced than 'raw
newbie' level, for what it's worth. I mean, you're going to probably
have to end up reading documentation, regardless of what your system is.

  >> Just realize that this cuts both ways -- you like pico, or joe,
  >> or ae, or (n)vi(m) -- whatever works for you is good.

  Oki> Yes, loading xemacs for just editing /etc/networks and
  Oki> /etc/hosts is a bit overkill; for the task, I choose vi (yes,
  Oki> sure,  happens, but the files are small and esc-:-q! is
  Oki> quite dependable).

Oh, I'm with you -- I'll often use vi for small edits, even if I have
XEmacs open on another desktop, just because doing the edit 'in-line'
in an xterm fits my work-flow better. Again, it's all about choosing
the right tool for the job.

john.


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Re: Simple Text Editor with Synatx highlighting?

[John S Jacobs Anderson]

on 5/23/00 9:57 AM, Keith G. Murphy at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> This leads to a question I've been interested in.  I've noticed vim's
> Perl syntax highlighting to be, hmmm, not always what it should be.  (As
> some have said, only perl can parse Perl).  Any opinions on which editor
> has the *best* Perl syntax highlighting?

(X)Emacs with CPerl mode.

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Text editor with good Perl syntax highlighting (was Re: Re[2]: Simple Text Editor with Synatx highlighting?)

[John S Jacobs Anderson]

on 5/23/00 11:28 AM, Steve Lamb at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Not to mention I fail to see how Emacs got into the discussion of "Simple
> Text Editor..."  Lisp interpreters with dillusions of OShood doesn't meet any
> of those three words.

Go back and read the text you snipped. The question got changed to "text
editor with best Perl syntax highlighting", without a concomitant change in
subject line. (X)Emacs certainly qualifies, despite it's editing functions
being only a subset of it's full functionality.

That said, could we pretty please with sugared bits on it not have this
flame fest again?

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Perl syntax highlighting in (X)Emacs (was Re: Simple Text Editor with Synatx highlighting?)

[John S Jacobs Anderson]

>> (X)Emacs with CPerl mode.
> 
> Even that's not, hmmm, what it should be.  Cases that come to mind are
> certain regular expressions and here documents.  Unless I've been
> using a different Perl mode in Emacs.

I haven't noticed any issues, but I don't make huge usage of here documents,
and I tend towards non-standard bracketing for regexps, which means I do
explict 'm's for matching. Those two factors might explain why I think it's
satisfactory.

OTOH, IIRC, there is a setting for how 'robust' the syntax parser tries to
be; it's a time/speed tradeoff. I _think_ the default may be less than
completely stringent. If you're really interested, M-x customize RET
cperl-mode should tell all, at least in XEmacs.

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Re: Text editor with good Perl syntax highlighting (was Re: Re[2]: Simple Text Editor with Synatx highlighting?)

[John S Jacobs Anderson]

on 5/23/00 1:37 PM, Steve Lamb at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Right, because were are still on simple editor.  Again, I fail to see how
> Emacs qualifies since it isn't simple nor is it a text editor.

(Please note that I changed the subject line a couple messages back, to
remove the 'simple'.)

Have you perhaps never used emacs?

Saying emacs isn't a text editor is like saying that a Leatherman isn't a
pocket knife -- it may be literally true, but is extremely misleading in
fact.

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Re: Re[2]: Text editor with good Perl syntax highlighting (was Re: Re[2]: Simple Text Editor with Synatx highlighting?)

[John S Jacobs Anderson]

on 5/23/00 1:49 PM, Steve Lamb at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Tuesday, May 23, 2000, 10:46:21 AM, John wrote:

>> Saying emacs isn't a text editor is like saying that a Leatherman isn't a
>> pocket knife -- it may be literally true, but is extremely misleading in
>> fact.
> 
> Hey, don't tell me.  Tell all the Emacs people who keep telling me it
> isn't a text editor.

My final word on the subject:

I haven't seen anybody other than you say that Emacs isn't a text editor. I
have seen many people say it isn't _just_ a text editor (or words to that
effect). 

Those two statements are _not_ equivalent.

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Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software

[john s jacobs anderson]

>>>>> "Peter" == Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  Peter> Felix Natter wrote:
  >> john s jacobs anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
  >>
  >> > Oh, I'm with you -- I'll often use vi for small edits, even if
  >> > I have XEmacs open on another desktop, just because doing the
  >> > edit 'in-line' in an xterm fits my work-flow better. Again,
  >> > it's all about choosing the right tool for the job.
  >>
  >> you can do emacs -nw ("no windowing").

  Peter> Or use gnuserv.

Gnuserv is on that eternally-growing list of things that I need to
check out, learn, and integrate into my toolkit. Alas, I'm not there
yet, so I keep reaching for the vi out of habit.

john.


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Re: Using gnuserv (Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software)

[john s jacobs anderson]

>>>>> "Peter" == Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  Peter> Here's why I use gnuserv all the time.  Say I in a shell in a
  Peter> directory called
  Peter> /deb/potato/home/rhogee/deb/gri/CVS/gri/doc/cookbook and I
  Peter> want to edit a file in Emacs.  I could go in Emacs and type
  Peter> C-x C-f and then type in (or cut/paste) the whole path.
  Peter> That's arduous.

Oh, no, I agree -- that's why I tend toward vi in those
situations. However, over the weekend I've been playing with
gnuserv/gnuclient in XEmacs, and I'm getting towards liking it.

  Peter> How to set it up (in slink anyway):
[snip Peter's method]

Okay, that could work -- but I'm too forgetful to remember if there's
already an XEmacs process running -- anybody have a shell script that
will execute the following pseudocode?

if there's an XEmacs process running
`gnuclient -q $1`
else
`xemacs -nw $1`

Hmm -- I guess all I really need is the flag to test for a running
process by name -- any help?

thanks,
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Re: Using gnuserv (Re: bigots - was Emacs - was Mail/news software)

[john s jacobs anderson]

>>>>> "Chris" == Chris Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  Chris> People always get lots of responses from queries like this,
  Chris> but this seems like the obvious way to do it:

  Chris> pidof xemacs && gnuclient -q $1 || xemacs -nw $1

Yep, that works. In the hopes of saving a newbie or two some time,
here's _exactly_ what I put into ~/.bashrc:

# for editing
function gnue() {
[ $# = 1 ] && pidof xemacs && gnuclient -q $1 || xemacs -nw $1;
}

After editing and saving the file, source it (. ~/.bashrc) at a shell
prompt, and then gnue FILE will do the right thing.

(Don't forget to put (gnuserv-start) in your .emacs file!)

Thanks to Chris and the other people in the thread,
john.




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Re: Staroffice

[john s jacobs anderson]

>>>>> "Goeman" == Goeman Stefan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  Goeman> Hello, I have seen some mails concerning StarOffice. Can
  Goeman> someone tell me where I can find this package, because I can
  Goeman> not find it on the Debian distribution (or perhaps I am not
  Goeman> searching good).

Probably not too much help for the folk in .be, but those of you in
.us might be interested to know that the June/July issue of Maximum
Linux contains a CD with (among a slew of other things) Star Office
5.1a. Might be worth the ~US$6 if you don't feel like downloading 70 MB.


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Re: help with sound config

[john s jacobs anderson]

>>>>> "Chanop" == Chanop Silpa-Anan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  Chanop> Once upon a time, I heard john s anderson said
  >> I'm currently trying to get my SoundBlaster PCI128 card to work,
  >> and I'm on my seventh kernel compile, and I'm starting to pull my
  >> hair out. The damn thing won't work! I'm basically a Mac
  >> person/PC hardware loser, so I'm afraid there's some basic thing
  >> I'm missing. Any help or pointers welcomed, and please don't
  >> hesitate with insultingly simple ones, either.

  Chanop> I think you need es1371 probably es1370 in sound section :)
  Chanop> That's all you need for SB PCI128

Following up for the list archives: The es1371 driver in the current
kernel did not work for this card; Creative has apparently revved the
codec, or the way the codec reports itself to the driver, and the card
is thus not recognized correctly.

ALSA 0.5.2, however, does work. It has also been reported to me that
kernel 2.3.40 works; I have not confirmed that myself. 

john.

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Re: help with sound config

[john s jacobs anderson]

>>>>> "S" == S Salman Ahmed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>>>>> "jsja" == john s jacobs anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  jsja> Following up for the list archives: The es1371 driver in the
  jsja> current kernel did not work for this card; Creative has
  jsja> apparently revved the codec, or the way the codec reports
  jsja> itself to the driver, and the card is thus not recognized
  jsja> correctly.
  jsja>
  jsja> ALSA 0.5.2, however, does work. It has also been reported to
  jsja> me that kernel 2.3.40 works; I have not confirmed that myself.

  S> I have been using the es1370 driver for my SoundBlaster PCI128
  S> card without any problems since kernel 2.2.10 - the first of the
  S> 2.2.x series that I tried.

Ah, but I bet if you do a 'lspci', you get something different from:

> /sbin/lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX - 82443BX/ZX Host bridge (rev 
03)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 440BX/ZX - 82443BX/ZX AGP bridge (rev 03)
00:07.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02)
00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82371AB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01)
00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82371AB PIIX4 USB (rev 01)
00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corporation 82371AB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 02)
00:0d.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] (rev 07)
00:13.0 Unknown mass storage controller: Triones Technologies, Inc. HPT366 (rev 
01)
00:13.1 Unknown mass storage controller: Triones Technologies, Inc. HPT366 (rev 
01)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Trident Microsystems 3DIm`age 975 (rev f3)

I bet the number after (rev) isn't 07; that's what's causing the
problem. There are messages in the ALSA mailing list archives about
this problem; I can dig up the references if needed.

john.

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Re: Iomega drives

[john s jacobs anderson]

>>>>> "davidturetsky" == davidturetsky  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  davidturetsky> Where is accessing IOmega 100mb floppies 

On my system, at /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/mini/ZIP-Drive.txt.gz

If you didn't install the HOWTO's, you should probably try
http://linuxdoc.org>.

HTH,
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dial-on-demand changed?

[john s jacobs anderson]

Greetings --

Just got started with Debian a week or two ago; moved rapidly from
slink to frozen, and am now running unstable. After an `apt-get
dist-upgrade` late last week or early this week (possibly Sunday?),
the handling of dial-on-demand PPP appears to have changed.

The way it was working: after using pppconfig and checking the
on-demand option, giving the pon command would start pppd, but nothing
else would occur until data needed to be sent. The system would then
dial-out, connect, get an IP, the data would go _swoosh_, and all was
hunky-dory. This was great; it was almost like being on a real
network, if you ignored the dial-in latency.

However, about the time of the ppp/ppp-pam suidregister thing, this
behavior changed; giving the demand option now appears to require a
fixed remote IP, at least according to man pppd (and actually sets
that IP to something in the 10.n.n.n net; I'm guessing this is based
on some netmask setting somewhere), whereas before this worked with a
dynamic remotely-assigned IP.

Is it possible to revert to the earlier behavior, and if so, how?

Thanks,
john.

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Re: dial-on-demand changed?

[john s jacobs anderson]

>>>>> "Brett" == Brett Carlane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  Brett> john s jacobs anderson on Tue 15 Feb:

  Brett> Only just started using `demand' myself, so I can't speak for
  Brett> how it used to work, but my dialup currently behaves as you
  Brett> describe:

well, now that I know it's just me...

  >> ...giving the pon command would start pppd, but nothing else
  >> would occur until data needed to be sent. The system would then
  >> dial-out...

  Brett> Have you tried causing network traffic to see what happens?
  Brett> If pppd is trying to dial out but failing to negotiate a
  Brett> connection, you may need to enable the `ipcp-accept-local'
  Brett> and `ipcp-accept-remote' options so pppd will accept whatever
  Brett> IPs your ISP assigns.  `pon' will still set local & remote
  Brett> IPs initially, but the real connection will override them
  Brett> when it comes up.

here's my /etc/ppp/peers/provider:

# This optionfile was generated by pppconfig 2.0.3. 
# 
#
hide-password 
noauth
connect "/usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/chatscripts/provider"
debug
/dev/ttyS2
115200
defaultroute
noipdefault 
user Pjacobs
remotename provider
ipparam provider
demand
idle 600
ipcp-accept-local
ipcp-accept-remote

here's what /var/log/messages looks like after `pon`:

Feb 17 20:50:59 genehack pppd[28000]: pppd 2.3.11 started by jacobs, uid 1000
Feb 17 20:50:59 genehack pppd[28000]: Using interface ppp0
Feb 17 20:50:59 genehack pppd[28000]: local  IP address 10.64.64.64
Feb 17 20:50:59 genehack pppd[28000]: remote IP address 10.112.112.112

(note that jacobs is my normal userid; and is in the dialout group.)

after i give `fetchmail`, this gets put into /var/log/messages:

Feb 17 20:51:02 genehack pppd[28000]: Exit.

and the ppp0 interface goes away.

commenting out the 'demand' line in the provider file and giving `pon`
causes a normal connection to be made, right away.

the only other thing I can think that might be of help:

> dpkg --list | grep ppp
ii  gpppon 0.2-1  A gnome applet that is a wrapper around pon 
ii  ppp2.3.11-1.1 Point-to-Point Protocol (PPP) daemon.
ii  pppconfig  2.0.4  A text menu based utility for configuring pp
ii  wmppp.app  1.3.0-1A PPP and network load monitor with the NeXT

this was working until some point late last week or early this week;
I'm not exactly sure which dist-upgrade broke it.

any help welcomed.

thanks,
john.


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Re: perl says the year is 0100

[john s jacobs anderson]

>>>>> "John" == John Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  John> hello I have the latest perl for slink, but perl reports the
  John> year is 0100.  Any idea what I should do?

Nm, have you considered adding 1900 to the returned value? 8^)=

And maybe try reading the documentation for the date commands in the
perlfunc manpage.

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Re: slink->frozen upgrade problems

[john s jacobs anderson]

>>>>> "Nathan" == Nathan E Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  Nathan> I was able to get aorund this, but I DO NOT recommend that
  Nathan> anyone use my method!!  If you do, don't tell me about how
  Nathan> screwed up your system got.
[snip]

Nathan, you're the man! I'll give this a try tomorrow; it sounds
good. I had also seen the readlink thing, but hadn't investigated as
to what it was doing. Hopefully I'll be able to get some work done on
that box tomorrow.

thanks,
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PPP dial-on-demand broken (was: dial-on-demand changed?)

[john s jacobs anderson]

>>>>> "John" == John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

sorry for the delay in followup; Life is keeping me from chasing this
down. However, the problem[1] still exists. I'm running woody; apt-get
dist-upgraded as of this afternoon, which puts me at:

[jacobs in ~]-> dpkg --list | grep ppp
ii  ppp2.3.11-1.1 Point-to-Point Protocol (PPP) daemon.

Rest of reply below:

  John> john s jacobs anderson writes:
  >> However, about the time of the ppp/ppp-pam suidregister thing,
  >> this behavior changed; giving the demand option now appears to
  >> require a fixed remote IP, at least according to man pppd...

  John> The man page is wrong.

Good to know; is a bug report needed?

  >> ...and actually sets that IP to something in the 10.n.n.n net...

  John> It sets the local IP address to 10.64.64.64 and the remote to
  John> 10.112.112.112 while the link is down, but these are dummies.
  John> They are replaced with the dynamic IP's when the link comes
  John> up.

Also good to know. 

However, as I said above, this is still broken. I checked ppp.log, and
found this slightly more informative error:

Feb 23 01:41:03 genehack pppd[1168]: Using interface ppp0
Feb 23 01:41:03 genehack pppd[1168]: Cannot determine ethernet address for 
proxy ARP
Feb 23 01:41:03 genehack pppd[1168]: local  IP address 10.64.64.64
Feb 23 01:41:03 genehack pppd[1168]: remote IP address 10.112.112.112
Feb 23 01:41:05 genehack pppd[1168]: read: Bad file descriptor(9)
Feb 23 01:41:05 genehack pppd[1168]: Exit.

That was after the following:
 (a) change /etc/ppp/peers/provider to use 'demand'
 (b) issue `pon && fetchmail`
 (c) wait for DNS timeout
 (d) tail /var/log/ppp.log

Suggestions as to what to do now? I'm relatively new to Debian; I'm
guessing a bug report is in order?

Thanks,
john.

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[1]  Basically, dial-on-demand no longer works; a provider file that
 is otherwise identical, with only the 'demand' line commented
 out, does work. It used to work, apx. 3 weeks ago.

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Re: slink->frozen upgrade problems

[john s jacobs anderson]

>>>>> "Nathan" == Nathan E Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  Nathan> I was able to get aorund this, but I DO NOT recommend that
  Nathan> anyone use my method!!  If you do, don't tell me about how
  Nathan> screwed up your system got.

Quick follow-up to report that Nathan's method did in fact allow me to
successfully update a fresh slink to woody.

Thanks again to Nathan.

john.

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Re: glibc package

[john s jacobs anderson]

>>>>> "Fred" == Fred R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  Fred> So for now, what should I do? Should I just force it to ignor
  Fred> dependencies? Or may be someone can point me to the location
  Fred> of binary file for libc6. I can try to install then
  Fred> manually. But I really need libc6 or I'm dead in the water.

see the recent 'slink->frozen' upgrade problems thread featuring yours
truly and Nathan E. Norman. Nathan provided a solution that worked for
me; you should probably read his description of how to do it.

good luck,
john.


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Re: emacsen-common fails to set-up

[john s jacobs anderson]

>>>>> "Grendel" == Grendel  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  Grendel> ** On Mar 26, Antonio Fiol Bonn?n scribbled:
  >>
  >> Well, I do not like writing too much, so I copy & paste...

  >> /etc/not-yet-set/site-start.d
  Grendel> Temporary cure is to create ^^^ this directory: mkdir -p
  Grendel> /etc/not-yet-set/site-start.d and then 'dpkg --configure
  Grendel> --pending' - and then wait for the maintainer to fix the
  Grendel> bug :)

Actually, when I tried that workaround, I found that while it allowed
the package to install, it broke critical parts of Gnus -- like
reading mail with the nnml backend.

I fell back to the version from frozen and slapped a hold on it.

john.

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running sshd on startup

[John S. J. Anderson]

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Greetings --

Could somebody tell me what I need to frob to get sshd to run
automatically when I restart my computer? There's a file,
/etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run, which seems to be installed by one of the
ssh debs[1], and it also seems to prevent automatic sshd startup.

I've been removing the file, but it gets to be a drag remembering to
do this every time apt-get updates ssh, and I'm fairly sure this is not
the Right Way to do it. 8^)=

Thanks for any help,

john.

Footnotes: 
[1]  > dpkg -l | grep ssh
ii  ssh2.3.0p1-1.6Secure rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement (OpenSSH)
ii  ssh-askpass1.0-1  under X, asks user for a passphrase for ssh-
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Re: running sshd on startup

[John S. J. Anderson]

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David Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> > I've been removing the file, but it gets to be a drag remembering
> > to do this every time apt-get updates ssh, and I'm fairly sure
> > this is not the Right Way to do it. 8^)=
> 
> I think the Right Way is now  dpkg-reconfigure ssh

Yep, that did the trick. Many thanks!

john.

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Re: Creative Ensoniq modules..

[John S. J. Anderson]

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Stefan Srdic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> With all of this I still can't get my sound card to work, I do know
> that the device works because I have ran esd and heard the sample
> that plays. But I cant used any programs like XMMS or CD playing
> software. What gives?

Permissions problem on /dev/dsp? User not in audio and/or cdrom
groups?

john.

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[OT] Re: Perlscript

[John S. J. Anderson]

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Joris Lambrecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I'm working on a Document that will simply be a basic tutorial on
> how to do your first steps into perlscript.  Written by a newbie for
> another newbie. This will probably be published at
> http://perlscript.angels.be or http://urban.angles.be any time soon.

What's this "Perlscript" you keep talking about? "Perl" I know, "perl"
I know, "perlscript" is a new one on me.

Are you perhaps referring to CGI scripts _written_ in Perl? 

john.

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Re: PHP4 in 'testing'?

[John S. J. Anderson]

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Remco Rijnders) writes:

> Before reading your (or any) answer, I went ahead and pointed apt at
> the unstable archive and got PHP4 from there. Unfortunately, it seems
> like this really messed things up for me:

There's a pretty obvious error in two of the post-install scripts. I'm
sure the maintainer is getting it worked out; in the meantime, adding
a line consisting of ';;' (no quotes) to the line above the line with
'*)' to both /var/lib/dpkg/info/php4.postrm and
/var/lib/dpkg/info/php4-cgi.postrm allowed the install to finish on my
machine.

Haven't tested yet to determine if the installed PHP4 actually
_works_, but this got rid of the error messages at least.

john.

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Re: True Type fonts

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Erik Steffl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I guess you can remove it, I did remove true type font server
> (forgot which one I had) and I have the true type fonts.

So, what font lines do you have in XF86Config?

john.

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Re: (OT) Perl books

[John S. J. Anderson]

> On Thu, 28 Jun 2001 12:22:12 -0500, Jay Latham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

Jay> I've decided that it's time I learned a little about programming
Jay> and I've decided that, for various reasons, Perl would be a good
Jay> place to start. But I'm confused on which book would be best for
Jay> a total newbie. I've been leaning towards the oreilly books
Jay> Learning Perl 3rd edition, and/or Programming Perl but thought
Jay> I'd ask for opinons before making the purchase. Any suggestions?

If you've never done any programming what-so-ever, _Learning Perl_,
aka the Llama book, is not your best choice.

Wait, put down the pitchforks and listen!

The Llama (or at least the 2nd edition; I haven't seen the 3rd yet)
assumes quite a bit of shell and C coding experience, as well as a
fairly broad Unix grounding. I've lead a class or two of newbies
through it in a class/discussion style setting, and many of them were
turned off. I'm starting up another study group of newbies, and this
time I've decided to use a book called _Elements of Programming with
Perl_. In contrast to the Llama, which teaches Perl to programmers,
this book purports to teach programming to people, using Perl as the
vehicle. It's worth at least a look. 

After you get through whatever introductory stuff and you're
comfortable with the language, then you should pick up a copy of
_Programming Perl_ (aka the Camel) and a copy of _The Perl Cookbook_
(aka the Ram). You won't need those right away, but eventually you'll
come to like having them around.

Good luck,
john.

Re: hi masters of linux, surely you know some tricks...

[John S. J. Anderson]

> On Thu, 28 Jun 2001 22:59:03 +0200 (MEST), thomas anderson <[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]> said:

thomas> I want to try to put a perl script in the /usr/lib/perl
thomas> directory however I don't have permission access.

boy, the script kiddies get lazier every day, don't they?

john.

Re: cpan / perl q.

[John S. J. Anderson]

> On Fri, 6 Jul 2001 09:27:43 +0800, "luwim+" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

luwim+> Hi, i forgot the command how to install cpan on my machine,
luwim+> thats, .. > perl --cpan? any one know what the command is?

CPAN.pm comes with the standard Perl distribution, so if you've got
perl, you should have CPAN -- try 'perl -MCPAN -e shell' and see what
you get.

john.

Re: Digital camera and Linux

[John S. J. Anderson]

> On 06 Jul 2001 14:06:06 +0400, Ilya Martynov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

Ilya> Or any advice on another relatively cheap and good digital
Ilya> camera which can be used with Linux?

Have you considered the Sony Mavica series? They write picture files
to standard VFAT filesystem floppy disks -- no need to worry about
compatibility with _any_ OS. They're a bit more expensive in terms of
features per $, but the floppy thing makes it worthwhile for me.

john,
who just bought a MVC-FD92 on Tuesday.

Re: Digital camera and Linux

[John S. J. Anderson]

>>>>> On Fri, 06 Jul 2001 10:39:20 -0400, Peter S Galbraith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>>>>> said:

Peter> John S. J. Anderson wrote:

Peter> I have wondered about this.  I fill up a 32MB memory card
Peter> pretty quickly when taking pictures at 3.1Mpixels.  A single
Peter> picture is usually around 1.1 to 1.3 MB, so that would be one
Peter> floopy per picture.  I wouldn't want to (1) carry that many
Peter> floppies, (2) to forced to change the floppy after every
Peter> picture and (3) feed-in all these (slow reading) floppies to my
Peter> PC later.

Peter> This made me think the floppy thing was not viable.  How does
Peter> it work out for you?

Well, the Mavica I have is 1.3 megapixels (1.6 interpolated). Actual
picture size varies from 640x480 to 1490x1104 or something close to
that. I haven't played with the smaller sizes yet (I've only had the
thing two days!), but at the highest size, one floppy is 3
pictures. Dropping 1280x1024 gives you 5 or 6; 1024x768 is 10/floppy,
IIRC. 

(As an aside, there are Mavicas that have more 'megapixels'; some of
them use a CD burner to write 3 1/2" CDRs with the pictures. The Wife
declared that we didn't need to spend that much money ;^/=)

I think the feeding floppies to the computer part is, long-term, going
to be the most annoying part; but it's something that's pretty
mindless and I think I'll be able to do it while reading
mail/news/web.

For my needs (I emphasize: *my* needs), the Mavica is great. I don't
have to dick around with getting USB compiled into the kernel, I don't
have to worry about Linux-based application support, I don't even have
to worry about what sort of computers I'm around -- as long as it's
got a floppy drive and net access, I can mail pictures home to myself.

For the same money, I could have gotten something with a smaller form
factor, and greater resolution. I like the "chunkiness" of the Mavica,
because I don't have to worry about dropping it. I also am not dealing
with any Ansel Adams or Annie Leibowitz issues, so I don't need huge
resolutions -- this is basically a "snapshot" camera, and >95% of the
pictures I take with it aren't going any further than the web.

john.

Re: MUAs that compare with Outlook (your chance to show how much better Linux is than MS!!)

[John S. J. Anderson]

> On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:31:23 -0500 (CDT), Richard Cobbe <[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]> said:

Richard> I'm a fan of VM, because I'm used to the Emacs keybindings,
Richard> and it's the only MUA I've found which lets you edit messages
Richard> that you receive in-place.

FWIW, Gnus does that too.

Richard> I've been meaning to check out GNUS for a while, but as
Richard> someone else said (I think on this list) it has a learning
Richard> curve that you can use as a plumb line, and I've just not
Richard> taken the time to get used to it.

There's a fair amount of useful information over at
http://my.gnus.org>. Getting Gnus set up properly is a weekend
project, but once it's set up and running, you'll never want to use
anything else.

john.

kernel compile problems

[John S. J. Anderson]

Greetings --

I've been setting up a new Athlon system (thanks Santa!), and I've
been having some kernel compile issues (linker bombing out, mainly).

I was chalking it up to some Athlon quirk (power supply, cooling,
etc.), but just on the off chance I tried to re-compile a kernel on my
old Celeron-based system -- and I got the same *sort* of error (not
the exact same error, but the same sort of linker error).

So, is there some sort of problem with kernel compiles here recently?
I notice we got new gcc packages yesterday...

Running: sid, up to date as of 12/25. 

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Re: Getting Handspring Pilot Setup

[John S. J. Anderson]

james martinez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Can anyone tell me where I can get it. Thanks for any help.

You need to set up the various USB devices properly. The Handspring
Visor mini-HOWTO may be helpful; there's a copy at
. 

I have had "set up Visor" on my TODO list for a long time, and your
mail was a good motivator. 8^)= I followed the instructions in the
mini-HOWTO and my Visor is now working. (Well, with jpilot. getting
kpilot and gnome-pilot going is next.)

Some notes:

a) this piece of Perl will create the devices:
perl -e 'foreach $i ( 0 .. 15 ) { `mknod /dev/ttyUSB$i c 188 $i` }'
b) don't forget to 'chmod 0666 /dev/ttyUSB*' 
c) I couldn't get 'coldsync' (from unstable) to work properly; it
   would either give errors or seg fault. jpilot did work, however, so
   if you have coldsync issues, you might want to give it a try.

Good luck,
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Re: water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink.

[John S. J. Anderson]

David Raleigh Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> It makes *every* program that works with a gui *much* less good and
> some really insane, like emacs.  (and xemacs, presumably because X
> is pathetic that way too.)

Just so you know, XEmacs is perfectly capable of running on the
console (the 'X' in the name has nothing to do with X Windows), and,
in fact, it has some console mode features that the current version of
Emacs does not (frex, syntax coloring)[1]

Other than that, I agree with your mouse button rantings. 8^)=

john.

Footnotes: 
[1]  Before I get flamed to hell and back for saying that Emacs
 doesn't do syntax coloring, please note we're talking *console
 mode* here.

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Re: Good mail management techniques?

[John S. J. Anderson]

"Karsten M. Self"  writes:

> on Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 04:18:53PM -0700, Ross Boylan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
> wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 09, 2001 at 12:12:14PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> > .
> > > The concept you're proposing has some similarities to ideas espoused by
> > > David Gelertner, whose capsule biography will always read "Yale
> > > professor, computer scientist, and victim of the Unabomber (Theodore
> > > Kaczynski)".  David survived the attempt on his life, though he was
> > > permanently injured as a result.

> > On it's face, the idea of organizing by time is different from what I
> > had in mind.  However, it may be that the other classification
> > facilities would give me what I was looking for.

It might be worth having a look at JWZ's "Intertwingle" proposal, if
you haven't before:



AFAIK, the proposal is as fal as that's gotten.

john.
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Re: About PGP signatures

[John S. J. Anderson]

> On Wed, 23 May 2001 19:57:17 -0400, "Noah L. Meyerhans" <[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]> said:

Noah> Supporting RFCs is fine and should be encouraged, but from what
Noah> I've seen there is not another mail reader in existance that can
Noah> verify mutt's attached signatures.  

Just to add to the list, the CVS version of Gnus handles PGP/MIME as
well.

john.

Re: About PGP signatures

[John S. J. Anderson]

> On 24 May 2001 14:57:12 +0400, Ilya Martynov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

Ilya> I thoght that Gnus itself doesn't support PGP at all. It needs
Ilya> Mailcrypt for PGP. And mailcrypt seems to support only embeded
Ilya> sigs. Or am I wrong?

You're wrong. 8^)=

The version of Gnus in CVS (Oort Gnus) comes with a file called
gpg.el, which adds the ability to sign, verify, encrypt and decrypt
mail (and I guess news, tho I never checked) in the MIME-attached
format. 

I was using it for a bit, then I fell back to 5.8.8 when I ran out of
time to keep up to date on the development. I don't know if gpg.el
will work with the current release version of Gnus, but it may be
worth a look.

john.

Re: ~/.Xmodmap (was: Customizing the console key map?)

[John S. J. Anderson]

> On Tue, 29 May 2001 15:25:37 -0700, Mike Pfleger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

Mike> What am I doing wrong?

Have you tried using a real keysym for the menu key? I don't think
'Menu' is a real keysym -- try 'Multi-key' or 'Super_R' or 'Hyper_R',
and then bind ModN (where N=(1..5)) to that keysym.

My Dvorak xmodmap file is at
http://genehack.org/linux/dvorak.html>; it may be of help.

john.

Re: ~/.Xmodmap (was: Customizing the console key map?)

[John S. J. Anderson]

> On Wed, 30 May 2001 10:53:22 -0700, Mike Pfleger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

Mike> To answer your question, I used xev to grab the information on
Mike> the dreaded "menu" key.  It reported (among other things):
Mike>   keycode 117 (keysym 0xff67, Menu)
Mike> when the "menu" key was pressed with the pointer in the "Event
Mike> Tester" window.  Is there something I'm missing here?

Nope, doesn't sound like it -- I just didn't realize there was a
'Menu' keysym.

john.

Re: ~/.Xmodmap (was: Customizing the console key map?)

[John S. J. Anderson]

> On 30 May 2001 22:08:33 -0400, "Paul D. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

Paul> Second, my point is, with so many truly _useful_ and
Paul> _interesting_ things to learn, why waste brain cells on
Paul> something as basically useless and uninteresting (and baroque)
Paul> as modmap syntax?

Personally, I find the xkeycaps interface to be baroque, relative to
the not-really-that-complicated Xmodmap syntax. Not everybody thinks
better in GUI; some of us prefer text.

Paul> Anyway that's my opinion but, of course, YMMV :).

Sounds like my does.

john.

Re: ~/.Xmodmap (was: Customizing the console key map?)

[John S. J. Anderson]

> On Thu, 31 May 2001 15:37:49 -0700, Mike Pfleger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

Mike> Is there an easy way to check for Mod3 and Mod4 events?

If you do 'xmodmap -pm', you'll get a listing of all the modifiers
(Mod1-5,Lock,Control, etc.) and the keysyms each is currently bound
to. That may at least tell you where to start looking.

Question: have you tried to get any other program to recognize this
keysym, or just xterm?

john.

Re: Configuring gnus

[John S. J. Anderson]

> On Sat, 09 Jun 2001 13:04:48 -0700, Debian User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

DU> With the conservative route (install gnus in order to keep using
DU> RMAIL for a while), will gnus give normal MIME ability?  Or would
DU> I need to install semi-gnus to be able to use the MIME
DU> functionality that semi provides?

Newer gnusae support MIME just fine. I forget exactly when the switch
was, but 5.8.8 in unstable groks MIME out of the box.

Good luck,
john.

Re: Logitech Quickcam

[John S. J. Anderson]

"Sridhar M.A." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Is anyone using this camera and obtained proper colours? If so, can you
> provide some pointers to the same?

I'm using one with mod_quickcam.o and camE to run a webcam; you can
see the images at  (it updates
every minute). There are images with white balance, due to the fact
that the camera faces a large window; it doesn't seem to deal with
adjusting to the different amounts of background light very
well. Other than that, the colors are fine. I did have to modify the
camE config file to remove the color balance correction it was trying
to do; with the default values, I got snaps that were heavily
green-biased.

I also get the band of noise at the bottom of the xawtv screen, but I
think that's just because xawv opens the camera window with the wrong
size. Resizing to what the camera puts out makes that band go away. 

john.
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Re: scripting

[John S. J. Anderson]

jeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> dpkg -l | sed -e 's/$// > dpkg.html
> dpkg -l | perl -e 'while(<>) { s/$// && print }' > dpkg.html


  dpkg -l | perl -lpe 's/$//' > dpkg.html


Darn, I thought I could make it shorter than the sed version...

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[headed OT] Re: scripting

[John S. J. Anderson]

jeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> when would you use programming as opposed to scripting?

Well, before I answer that, define, if you would, the difference
between "programming" and "scripting". (Warning: I don't think there's
much of one, if any.) 

In my mind, your earlier question was a "programming" question, in
that it could be effectively answered without "scripting" anything --
no other apps were being driven by the Perl that I and others
wrote. The fact that the code was in Perl doesn't make it
"scripting". 

YMMV. 

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Re: scripting

[John S. J. Anderson]

martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> usually, compiled programs run faster than scripts, so if performance
> is your concern (number crunching, password cracking etc.), then
> compile. 

IMO, it's not that simple. If "performance" is your sole
consideration, you shouldn't even be looking at compiled languages --
cut to the chase and start hand-rolling your assembly language. 

In reality, the choice of what language to use (see previous message
about the lack of difference between "programming" and "scripting")
involves evaluating a number of critera; not only performance, but (as
you point out) maintainability, development speed, and a host of
others. 

john.
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Re: [headed OT] Re: scripting

[John S. J. Anderson]

Shawn McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> begin  John S. J. Anderson quotation:
> > 
> > Well, before I answer that, define, if you would, the difference
> > between "programming" and "scripting". (Warning: I don't think there's
> > much of one, if any.) 

> The compliation step is seperate from the execution step, from the
> perspective of the user.

So, where do python and e-lisp fit in your little scheme? (No pun
intended.) You can compile-n-run, or compile to intermediate
byte-code, distribute, and run. Or how about BASIC? It comes in both
interpreted and compiled versions; does the "scripting"
vs. "programming" difference apply if you use exactly the same
language but execute the program differently? 

I've programmed a fair bit in C, some more in shell, a wee bit in
Elisp, and a lot in Perl. I use the same techniques (modulo language
differences), I break the problems down in the same way, my brain goes
through the same steps -- regardless of which language I've chosen as
appropriate for solving the problem at hand.

I call the process of choosing a language, writing some code, and
solving that problem "programming".

YMM( and apparently does )V. 

john.
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Re: [headed OT] Re: scripting

[John S. J. Anderson]

Shawn McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> begin  Shawn McMahon quotation:
> > 
> > The compliation step is seperate from the execution step, from the
> > perspective of the user.
> 
> I should add "that is the definition most people mean when they don't
> know enough not to call non-scripting 'programming'".

I'm confused by the above statement. Canceling out the double
negative, I get 

  "that is the definition most people mean when they know enough to
  call non-scripting 'programming'". 

Is that what you meant to say, or were you trying to say something
else? Double negatives are confusing. 

john.
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Re: [headed OT] Re: scripting

[John S. J. Anderson]

Shawn McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> See the followup email.  It ain't my scheme, and I don't agree with it;
> I was presenting what my experience shows is usually meant by people who
> don't know better than the split "scripting" and "programming".

Ah, I see -- we're mostly agreeing at the top of our voices, then. 

john.
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Re: [headed OT] Re: scripting

[John S. J. Anderson]

Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Or what of this example:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~>perl hello.pl
> hello, world!
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~>cat hello.pl
> #!/usr/bin/perl
> use Inline C => q{
> void hello () {
> printf("hello, world!\n");
> }
> };
> hello();

That is a thing of beauty. Evil, twisted beauty, but beauty none the
less. 

john.
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Re: [headed OT] Re: scripting

[John S. J. Anderson]

Shawn McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> begin  John S. J. Anderson quotation:
> > 
> > I'm confused by the above statement. Canceling out the double
> > negative, I get 
> > 
> >   "that is the definition most people mean when they know enough to
> >   call non-scripting 'programming'". 
> 
> You cannot cancel two negatives out of sentence by merely assuming each
> cancels the other.  Whomever taught you that rule needs to be coaching
> instead of teaching.

Nobody taught me that rule; it just seems the obvious thing to do,
assuming that the person you're speaking with is silly enough to use a
double negative in the first place. 

(Consulting
<http://tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/Hacker-Speech-Style.html> might be
informative. Or not.)

> "don't know enough not to" means "if you knew more, you wouldn't".

If you say so; the mapping from the phrase on the left to the one on
the right is far from obvious for me. 

> People who don't know enough not to think "programming" is a seperate
> set than "scripting", as opposed to a superset of it, wouldn't think
> that if they knew more.

You're doing it again. 

john.
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perl info file for emacs

[John S. J. Anderson]

Greetings --

I'm trying to (finally) get my Perl coding environment set up properly
in (X)Emacs, and one hurdle I'm running into is getting the 'help on
function (at point)' commands to work. 

They require a copy of the Perl docs in 'info' format. Now, I know I
cat get this file from Ilya's Z's website, but I'm wondering if
there's some version of it in some Debian package that I'm unaware of
-- anybody have any pointers for me? 

TIA,
john.
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