Why no apt-pinning by release name?
Hi list, recently I was trying to install a package from lenny on etch, that has no backport available (yet; request has been filed). I was configuring /etc/apt/apt-conf and /etc/apt/preferences as I saw fit, but learned "the hard way" that it's seemingly not possible to pin releases by their relase name (etch, lenny), but only with stable, testing, unstable. For instance, Package: * Pin: release a=lenny Pin-Priority: 99 doesn't do anything when checking with 'apt-cache policy', but Package: * Pin: release a=testing Pin-Priority: 99 works. I use only release names in my 'sources.list's, so that apt-cacher doesn't autmatically switch to a new release when it becomes stable. But if pinning is only possible via 'Pin: release a=stable' or 'Pin: release a=testing' instead of 'Pin: release a=etch' and 'Pin: release a=lenny', that won't work in the sane way that it should, IMHO. If I had a sources.list pointing both to etch and lenny, and a /etc/apt/preferences like Package: * Pin: release a=stable Pin-Priority: 700 Package: * Pin: release a=testing Pin-Priority: 600 I'd guess the only way to assure a non-upgrade to lenny once it will be declared stable, would be something like 'APT::Default-Release "oldstable";' in /etc/apt/apt.conf - if that worked at all, just a guess for a somewhat practical workaround... Long story short, why is it not possible to pin by release name? Searching for this returns lots of web pages that show examples with pinning by release name, and I'm wondering why they all propose something that doesn't work at all... I hope somebody can enlighten me on this topic a bit. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
[locales] change date/time display format for german locale in lenny like it has been on etch
Hi list, I recently noticed (took a while of head-scratching like "WTF? Something is very weird here, but what is it?") that after the upgrade from etch to lenny, the default display format for date/time when doing a "ls -al" for the german locale unfortunately changed from etch: »31.12.2008 12:34« to lenny: »13. Dez 12:34« and (IMO abdominable...!): lenny: »13. Dez 2006« (for older entries) Is there an easy way to get back my desired format as it has been on etch, preferably without the need to customize a locale file? As a workaround, I changed LC_TIME to "en_US.UTF-8", as this provides me at least with an ISO-8601-conform format, but I'd prefer the numerical display for german like it has been on etch. Greetings, hk47 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [locales] change date/time display format for german locale in lenny like it has been on etch
Am Montag, 19. Januar 2009 11:09, schrieb bugtrac...@slideomania.com: > Hi list, Hi myself, > I recently noticed (took a while of head-scratching like "WTF? Something is > very weird here, but what is it?") that after the upgrade from etch to > lenny, the default display format for date/time when doing a "ls -al" for > the german locale unfortunately changed from > > etch: »31.12.2008 12:34« to > lenny: »13. Dez 12:34« and (IMO abdominable...!): > lenny: »13. Dez 2006« (for older entries) silly me. Seems like I've been *very* confused this morning. The claim that for etch with German locales the date display format would be like above simply isn't true at all. My apologies, dunno how this came to my mind - perhaps a DOS console clawed it's way up from the abyss... Now for some reality checks. I'm comparing the date display format ($ ls -l) for some locales between etch and lenny (using etch at home and lenny at work; beeing at home right now, so can check for etch; lenny output from memory, which is hopefully serving right this time). LC_TIME=| etch | lenny - de_DE.UTF-8 | 2007-01-19 21:32 | Jan 19 2007 en_DK.UTF-8 | 2007-01-19 21:32 | Jan 19 2007 en_US.UTF-8 | 2007-01-19 21:32 | 2007-01-19 21:32 POSIX | Jan 19 2007 | Jan 19 2007 C | Jan 19 2007 | Jan 19 2007 My state of confusion started this morning, when I was confronted with a POSIX/C style date format using the German locales on lenny. As you can see from the table, in lenny suddenly some locales seem to have changed from ISO 8601 style to POSIX/C style. Is this intentional behaviour, or something that should be reported as a bug? Again, I consider POSIX/C style to be horrible. Just for reference, [1] claims that "The locale support for the international date standard of -mm-dd (ISO 8601 date format) is provided by the locale called en_DK, "English in Denmark", which is a bit of joke :-)". Well, either this *is* a bug in the locales package (well, hope so), or the joke from Debian reference needs an update. [1] http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tune.en.html see "9.7.6 ISO 8601 date format locale" Again, I'm very sorry for any confusion I might have caused. hk47 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [locales] change date/time display format for german locale in lenny like it has been on etch
Am Montag, 19. Januar 2009 14:31, schrieb Johannes Wiedersich: > > etch: »31.12.2008 12:34« to > > lenny: »13. Dez 12:34« and (IMO abdominable...!): > > lenny: »13. Dez 2006« (for older entries) > > That looks horrible, indeed. > > > Is there an easy way to get back my desired format as it has been on > > etch, preferably without the need to customize a locale file? > > Probably not. > > > As a workaround, I changed LC_TIME to "en_US.UTF-8", as this provides me > > at least with an ISO-8601-conform format, but I'd prefer the numerical > > display for german like it has been on etch. Please see my replay-to-myself on this topic. On etch, ISO 8601 *is* standard for »LC_TIME=de_DE.UTF-8«, »DD.MM. hh.mm« just somehow came up to me. > This looks promising > >http://ccollins.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/how-to-change-date-formats-on-ubuntu/ Found that this morning, too. Seems like the proper way to fix my imaginary problem... > HTH, > Johannes Thanks for your reply, hk47 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [locales] change date/time display format for german locale in lenny like it has been on etch
Am Montag, 19. Januar 2009 15:47, schrieb Sven Joachim: > On 2009-01-19 15:17 +0100, Johannes Wiedersich wrote: > > Osamu Aoki wrote: > >> It was important to use en_IE when we were using non-UTF-8 locales. > >> > >> Now even en_US.UTF-8 gives nice "2008-12-29 05:43" display. > > > > IIUC, OP wants "29.12.2008 05:43" instead. He uses "2008-12-29 05:43" as > > a workaround. > > This can be achieved with the ls --time-style option, see > (Info "(coreutils) Formatting file timestamps"). Checked »man ls«, »--full-time« also gives ISO 8601 style, plus some more info like seemingly timezone adjustments, even for »LC_TIME=POSIX«. The »--time-style«-option is unfortunately not mentioned in the man pages, so users unfamiliar with »info« will most probably miss this. Thanks for pointig this out. hk47 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [locales] change date/time display format for german locale in lenny like it has been on etch
Am Montag, 19. Januar 2009, schrieb Sven Joachim: > This is intentional, see the coreutils NEWS file: > > ,[ /usr/share/doc/coreutils/NEWS.gz ] > > | ls now defaults to --time-style='locale', not > | --time-style='posix-long-iso'. However, the 'locale' time style now > | behaves like 'posix-long-iso' if your locale settings appear to be messed > | up. This change > | attempts to have the default be the best of both worlds. > > ` > > The locales did not change, just the behavior of ls. > > Sven I took a look at the file you mentioned; still don't understand the rationale. But it gives me what I need to get the wanted, "traditional" behaviour back: add »--time-style='posix-long-iso'« to my ls aliases in .bashrc. Thank you for pointing this out. hk47 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
