Multiple instances (was Using source code for debian; compiling debian)

1997-11-06 Thread b.leach
Hi Richard;

These were not web BROWSERS he was talking about but web SERVERS.  You can not, 
in anything even remotely resembling a normal system, use two different web 
servers.

Now in fact if you REALLY want to do this you can, in that you could configure 
(and probably recompile) one of the servers so that it does not try to use ANY 
of the resources of the other.  Of course you would also have to use a 
non-standard protocol or two different physical net interfaces and would then 
have to either create two non-interacting network software package (or redesign 
the existing one), and of course alter the kernel, and ...

Basically, asking for two (or more) packages such as web servers is much like 
asking to be able to use ext2 and vfat32 on the SAME physical partition and 
expect it to work.


-bill

On Wed, 5 Nov 1997, Bruce Perens wrote:

>> Several hundred of the Debian packages will compile automaticaly. A number
>> of them will not, and require a bit of hand tweaking.
>> 
>> You can't install _all_ debian packages, as many of them conflict with each
>> other. For example we distribute at least 4 web servers, and you'd only want
>> one.

> I think this is a major shortcoming of the debian package
> system.  Why wouldn't I want to run two different web
> servers?  Two packages that provide the same functionality
> don't need to be mutually exclusive.  Likewise, I'd very
> much like to see support for multiple concurrent package
> instances.  This is key for migration in a production
> environment.  It goes without saying that its a must for a
> development environment.  It would require rethinking
> quite a few things though.


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Re: What is the file XF86_NONE??

1997-11-06 Thread b.leach
Yes it is most definately a "hack".  You need to edit the file 
"/etc/X11/Xserver" to properly reflect the "real" xserver that you are using.  
In your case the first line of that file should be "/usr/X11R6/XF86_SVGA".

I am reasonably sure that if you don't do this then any future upgrade to the X 
system that you might try to make will fail.

-bill

> Aha!  I managed to fix it myself after copying the 
> XF86_SVGA to XF86_NONE..
 
> A hack but it worked!! {8^ )
> Thanks anyway guys and gels 

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Re: Multiple instances

1997-11-06 Thread b.leach
Yep, I relent.  I got a bit too enthusiastic with that response.
However, as far as I know there is currently no way short
of using different sockets for different registered services
to use two or more different web servers.  One probably
could write a daemon for inetd to select the "appropriate"
server based upoon some other criteria such as domain of the
incomming request but as far as I know nothing like that 
exists now.

I don't quite agree with your statement that a web server
is like an editor but that could very was be more my own
ignorance than a fact based opinion.  With the exception of
using a different socket the situation with web servers
looks a lot more like MTAs than editor to me.

-bill

>   Oh, come on. Only one of them can use the port 80, but
>you can have as many web servers as you like. Think
>about SSL - apache and apacheSSL are different servers.
>
>It's more like having two editors installed - only
>one can be the default ($EDITOR), but the others can
>be used too.

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Re: custom kernel configuration

1997-11-06 Thread b.leach
I think that there are several issues here but wonder if I see the right ones.

Is isn't one of the problems with not using make kpkg that you may accidently 
"upgrade" a kernel using dselect?

I don't know (yet) how the preinst scripts handle kernel dependencies but if 
they use the files in var then
dependencies might be a problem under some conditions, yes?

How about the includes for gcc?  Is there a potential for problems trying to 
upgrade them if you upgraded a kernel
manually?

-bill


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RE: pgp package not listed

1997-11-08 Thread b.leach
The pgp package is one of those software items to comes under the U.S. Govt's 
Defense Export Restrictions as thus is not available on any U.S. debian or 
debina mirror site.

Two files in debian/ README.non-US and README.pgp both tell where and how to 
get the pgp package.

Note that the main site "os.inf.tu-dresden.de" has changed and but I don't seem 
to have a copy of the site name (the old one gives that information during ftp 
logon).


-bill


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RE: dpkg won't remove a kernel-image package

1997-11-08 Thread b.leach
You probably should rebuild the kernel using the debian kernel build package 
and make kpgk. I am not sure if you would 'get into trouble' just deleting the 
kernel image, boot and map files by hand or not (the system should boot ok but 
I am not sure how dpkg would 'feel' about their not being present).

-bill


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Re: help needed [urgent]

1997-11-08 Thread b.leach
Max;

While from what I have seen by following this list for quite a few months now, 
the list members are rather tolerent of
'off-topic' posting when such postings are still Linux related.

However, your problems are not even Linux specific much less debian specific.  
With a non-debian distribution, attempting
to get help from a debian users listserver may do you more harm than good!  The 
primary debian tools such as dpkg and 
dselect could even 'mess up' your system.

I presume that you are in France so I would think that maybe sunsite UK under 
the GNU directory would be your best source
except that there are undoubtedly good mirrors of the GNU project in France.

>   Here I am again !( 
>
> As you can imagine I'm not working on a debian box
> (Waiting glibc2 stable..). I can't even say which kind of > box it is: I 
> didn't install it. 
>
> I'm still looking for this minor things that make
> gnu/linux  powerfull : more, sort, frcode and man. 
>
> I don't know how many of these bugs are still missing..
> So,  if someone could point me to the place I could find
> them.. This way I won't disturb you.
>
> Thanx in advance, Max



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