Re: Disk problems? (was: Re: dpkg fails)
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 07:49:01PM -0800, Ron Farrer wrote: > Second update: after doing some disk intensive work, these show up in > the system log: > > Mar 9 19:16:27 dmz kernel: scsi0: MEDIUM ERROR on channel 0, id 0, lun 0, CDB: > Request Sense 00 00 00 10 00 > Mar 9 19:16:27 dmz kernel: Info fld=0x11730b, Current sd08:01: sense key Medium > Error > Mar 9 19:16:27 dmz kernel: Additional sense indicates Unrecovered read error > Mar 9 19:16:27 dmz kernel: scsidisk I/O error: dev 08:01, sector 1143496 > Mar 9 19:16:29 dmz kernel: scsi0: MEDIUM ERROR on channel 0, id 0, lun 0, CDB: > Request Sense 00 00 00 10 00 > Mar 9 19:16:29 dmz kernel: Info fld=0x11730b, Current sd08:01: sense key Medium > Error > Mar 9 19:16:29 dmz kernel: Additional sense indicates Unrecovered read error > Mar 9 19:16:29 dmz kernel: scsidisk I/O error: dev 08:01, sector 1143496 > > It looks like maybe a bad sector on the disk? Any ideas? I think that not only is it a bad sector, it's a bad sector that your SCSI drive has failed to remap to a good one. Have a look at the grown defects list (scsiinfo -d /dev/sda | less) - if it's full, back up your drive ASAP and get a new one. How do you know if it's full if you don't know how big it can be - if the number of entries is a suspicious number like (2^n)-1, it's probably full. Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: buy or build computer?
On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 08:37:27AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Sun, 2003-03-09 at 12:55, Peter Christensen wrote: > > My five-year-old Gateway Pentium 200 MHz died recently. (It won't boot from > > the hard drive or a rescue disk, and it won't go into bios-setup mode.) I > > don't think it's fixable, and anyway, it was so slow that it's probably time > > to replace it. Temporarily I'm using a borrowed computer with Win95. Yuck! Temporarily remove the Win95 HD and replace with the HD out of your Gateway... > > For my next computer I want to make sure that everything is compatible with > > Linux. I searched this list and found a few posts about buying computers. > > They were a little old (one or two years), so I'm wondering if the situation > > has changed. A few people recommended the AMD Athlon processor over > > Pentiums. And Matrox for video, Soundblaster or Ensoniq for sound. Any > > thoughts on this? AMDs give you more bang for the buck than Intels. Don't get a Soundblaster if you're interested in S/PDIF I/O because they resample everything to 48kHz. Don't get any hardware that people on this list are having trouble to get working! > > I've heard that computers nowadays are built with the cheapest possible > > components, so I was wondering if building it myself would be a good idea. > > It might not be much cheaper than buying one from Dell or Gateway, but if > > the result was a better quality machine it might be worthwhile. So far I've > > only had to replace broken components in my Gateway, such as the hard drive > > and CDrom, also added memory. Building a computer would be a challenge, but > > I think I'd enjoy doing it... The saving will be non-negligible. I find computer fairs are a good source of cheap hardware. If you can replace bits, you won't find assembling a system very hard. > In addition to "buy" or "build from scratch", there is a middle way: > buy a bare bones system (mobo installed in case with maybe a CPU), and > then you install everything else. This is the way I prefer to go. Yes. This method will avoid two potential problems: - random processor/motherboard incompatibilities that "shouldn't happen". Eg. The Gigabyte GA7ZXE motherboard and AMD 1700XP don't work together, though the 1600XP and 1800XP do work in this MB. - knackering the CPU by incorrect heatsink installation. AMD CPUs (I don't know about current Intels) have you bring the heatsink into direct contact with the rear surface of the naked chip. This is no doubt great for thermal transfer but mechanically it sucks! Especially when you've never put one together before, and they haven't given you any thermal grease. If you can replace hard drives and memory, you'll have no problems with the rest of the assembly. It's a lot easier than it used to be. There are very few jumpers to muck about with these days; generally you just plug it all together and do your mucking about in the BIOS Setup instead. Do note however that the paper and CD manuals you get with the hardware are probably out of date, so download the latest versions from the manufacturer's website before you start. Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: acard driver
On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 12:23:28PM +0800, Robert Storey wrote: > On Sun, 9 Mar 2003 21:32:04 +0100 > "George Stolk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I have a acard IDE controller card aec 6280 ant I have down load the > > driver from the site of the manufacturer but debian wont recon ice the > > driver what can I do to make it work. > > I would have thought the BIOS would recognize an IDE controller by > itself. > > I happen to have an Acard SCSI controller, which uses the module driver > atp870u.o. To get Debian to recognize it: > > modprobe atp870u > > That statement can be added to /etc/modules. > > Maybe the solution for your problem is similar. > > - Robert Try: modprobe aec62xx Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Relocating an ext3 journal
I have an ext3 filesystem on /dev/sdb1. I want to reconfigure it to use a journal on /dev/sda1, as the SCSI drives in question are old ones which are slow to seek, and I think it should improve performance. So, I create an external journal on /dev/sda1 using mke2fs -O has_journal /dev/sda1 -J size=100 and attempt to attach it to /dev/sdb1 using tune2fs /dev/sdb1 -J device=/dev/sda1 which gives the error "The device already has a journal". The information in man tune2fs (a) did not lead me to expect this error and (b) doesn't say anything about how I might overcome it. Can it be overcome? Or have I totally misunderstood this man page and am within millimetres of nuking my filesystem? Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt sources.list problem
On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 11:30:02PM +1100, Rob Weir wrote: > On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 06:53:55PM +0530, Bhushan Kulkarni wrote: > > Hi , > > I am using Debian Woody 3.0 r1 .My problem is below > > when i cat /etc/apt/sources.list it shows me following output > > > > # CDROMs are managed through the apt-cdrom tool. > > deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r1 _Woody_ - Official i386 Binary-3 > > (20021218)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main > > > > deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r1 _Woody_ - Official i386 Binary-2 > > (20021218)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main > > deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r1 _Woody_ - Official i386 Binary-1 > > (20021218)]/ unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main > > > > Why there is unstable and not stable ?? > > Is this implies that i am using unstable packages ?? > > Please Help me . > > Gah, that's odd. Where did you get these CDs from? Sounds like you > either accidentally changed it or so, or else they're rather poorly made > CDs. It's the same in 3.0r0, and I didn't accidentally change mine... > deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r0 _Woody_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20020718)]/ > unstable contrib main non-US/contrib non-US/main (and so on) CDs burned from official Debian ISOs by a kind person on this list. Is it likely to be a random quirk of the non-US CDs? Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: creating a FAT file system
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 10:53:43PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote: > i have 13Gb of data and a 15Gb harddrive that i need to pass to my > cousin, who runs windoze. i made a 15Gb partition of type 0C (Win > FAT32 (LBA)) and tried to call mkfs.vfat on it: > > piper:/home/madduck# mkfs.vfat /dev/hdc1 > mkfs.vfat 2.8 (28 Feb 2001) > mkfs.vfat: Attempting to create a too large file system > > i can't create NTFS filesystems, right? so how the flyingfood do > i make a filesystem of that size for braindeadOS? I think this must be a limitation of mkdosfs, I'm sure vfat is good for > 8 GB. Try booting off a win98 boot floppy that has FORMAT.EXE on it? Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Direct cable connection
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 05:12:51AM +0800, csj wrote: > In Windows I recall something called Direct Cable Connection that > allowed you to link two computers thru the parallel port. The > GNU/Linux version of this appears to be PLIP (which I tried and > failed at many many moons ago). > > So, is there a more modern way to "hotwire" two boxes without the > use of routers or extra file systems? Is it possible to do a > straight USB to USB or NIC to NIC connection? If all you are doing is connecting two boxes, you don't need a router. I don't think it's very useful to be totally without "extra file systems", you'll need nfs or whatever, but it's not very frightening. Though this does depend on what exactly you want the two boxes to do to each other once you have connected them. I don't think USB to USB is possible, as both PCs would want to be the controller, which is not allowed. I think. You can do a straight NIC to NIC connection with a crossover cable (ethernet equivalent of a null modem cable) and simply set up a very small network with only two machines on it. You'll need kernel support for the NIC of course. You then have the choice of all the vast range of Linux networking software to transfer the data between the two boxes. To get the link up and running I think all I had to do was to set up /etc/network/interfaces like this: # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8) # The loopback interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback # The first network card - this entry was created during the Debian installation # (network, broadcast and gateway are optional) auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.1.1 # on the other box, address 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.1.0 broadcast 192.168.1.255 followed by /etc/init.d/networking restart. This should be enough to allow you to ping one machine from the other, telnet in etc. Then you can set up nfs or something to share files, which is pretty straightforward too. Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel panic: No init found.
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 10:19:35PM +0100, Johannes Rohr wrote: > Reid Mumford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, sean finney wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 01:09:50PM -0500, Reid Mumford wrote: > > > > EXT2-fs warning: checktime reached, running e2fsck is recommended > > > > VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem). > > > > VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. > > > > change_root: old root has d_count=1 > > > > Trying to unmount old root ... okay > > > > Freeing unused kernel memory: 156k freed > > > > Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel > > > > > > > > Any ideas on how to save this system without having to reinstall? > > > > > > try booting up with init=/bin/sh and see if you can get yourself > > > a root prompt. if so, you're golden. you might need to > > > reinstall some packages (like sysvinit), and i don't know what > > > the easiest way is to find packages that might have corrupted > > > files though. > > > no love from the init=/bin/sh option. What you're experiencing sounds suspiciously like what happened to me when I nuked by C library... Fortunately, if you have the deb of libc6 around (on your install CD), you may be able to recover. > Than you're really bad off! Have you examined the contents of your / > partition, e.g. from a recue CD? Do this... > What does it look like? Is /sbin/init there? Is it executable? I suspect it will be. Then: reinstall libc6... which you will probably have to do by hand as I'm guessing that dpkg won't be working. Assuming that what is normally your root filesystem is mounted on /mnt, and has a usable and empty tmp in it, copy the libc6 deb from your install CD into /mnt/tmp and then cd /mnt/tmp ar -x libc6_*.deb tar xzf data.tar.gz ls -l (so you can see what's just happened...) cp -a lib/* /mnt/lib cp -a sbin/* /mnt/sbin (and so on for other relevant directories) cd / chroot /mnt /sbin/ldconfig Then try the reboot... with a bit of luck (and if my diagnosis is correct) you'll be up again. Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Requesting the resending of digests
I just activated my dialup to retrieve email... received 18 messages, mostly debian-user-digest... the exim log on the gateway shows them being passed on to the main box... the exim log on the main box shows that exim didn't even run. And the 18 messages have vanished into thin air. My question is not why this has happened. I'm pretty sure it was my fault. My question is: Is it possible to either request that the missing digests be resent, or to download them in a format identical to that in which they were emailed? I realise that I can download the digests from FAQchest, but in that form they are full of HTML tags and other rubbish, so I can't simply whack them into my digest-burster and maintain the consistency of the threading. If I could download them in unadulterated form, that would be much easier than downloading a mucked-up version and writing a script to clean it up. Am I in luck? Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian install with Promise ATA100
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 11:43:27PM -0600, Donald Spoon wrote: > The only problem I had was getting it to work "nice" with the MB's > built-in IDE controllers. The ULTRA100-TX2 cards HDs were detected as > hde, hdf, hdg, and hdh. The on-board controllers captured and held onto > the hda-hdd HD ids, even if I turned them off in the BIOS. The Linux > kernel would still know they were there and use them! I found this problem (though with a different card) to be soluble by getting the BIOS to boot off the extra card. This depends on (a) the add-in card having a BIOS of its own and (b) setting the right option in the main BIOS, which was something not entirely obvious like "boot from SCSI" which really meant "boot from additional HD controller card". Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: odd compiler behaviour?
On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 04:00:22PM +, Bruynooghe Floris wrote:
> I can't see why the second program fails to compile, as far as
> I would expect these programs are identical.
> Does anyone knows what goes wrong?
Declaring variables "anywhere" is a C++ism. (One which I consider a
bit yucky, but that's just me.) So, if we take your second
program and modify your procedure a little...
~$ cat << EOF > prog2.c
#include
#include // need this to use malloc()
int main()
{
char* record;
int record_size = 10;
record = (char*) malloc (record_size);
int letter = 'a';
int i;
for (i=0; i < record_size; i++)
{
record[i] = (char) letter++;
printf ("record[%d] = %c\n", i, record[i]);
}
return 0;
}
EOF
~$ g++ prog2.c # note this is now g++
~$ a.out
record[0] = a
record[1] = b
record[9] = j
... now it works.
Pigeon
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Re: Printers via SMB?
On Sat, Mar 15, 2003 at 01:01:42PM -0600, Joseph A Nagy Jr wrote: > Jamin W. Collins wrote: > >On Sat, Mar 15, 2003 at 10:21:14AM -0600, Joseph A Nagy Jr wrote: > > > > > >>I'd like to be able to use the Epson from my computer, but I haven't a > >>clue on how to mount a printer. > > > > > >Take a look at CUPS. > > > > jan-jr-ent:~# CUPS > su: CUPS: command not found > jan-jr-ent:~# man cups > No manual entry for cups > jan-jr-ent:~# apt-get install cups > Reading Package Lists... Done > Building Dependency Tree... Done > Package cups has no available version, but exists in the database. > This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and > never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents > of sources.list > E: Package cups has no installation candidate > jan-jr-ent:~# This URL was posted in another thread a few days ago: http://mumford1.dyndns.org/~bs7452/linuxhelp/cups.html This tells you exactly what you need to install and how to set it up. I found it very useful. Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: odd compiler behaviour?
On Sat, Mar 15, 2003 at 08:06:33PM +, Bruynooghe Floris wrote: > On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 06:12:28PM +0000, Pigeon wrote: > > #include // need this to use malloc() > > Well I thought so to, but it _did_ work without to my surprise (discovered after > I stupidly forgot it) The straight-C-compatible version does. C++ is more fussy about declarations, so the C++-required version causes g++ to moan if you don't include the header file. Using undeclared functions can land you in trouble eventually; the options -Wmissing-prototypes, -Wmissing-declarations and -Wstrict-prototypes are useful, I think. The idea is to ensure that the straight-C compiler moans if you forget a header file or declare your own functions 'loosely'. > But using `//' is also a C++ism no? Indeed so. I used that form to emphasise that "this version contains C++isms". > BTW; thanks to all of you for the replies, I couldn't find this in any book (not > even K&R). "Glad to be of service" :-) Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Convincing someone to switch to Linux
On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 03:05:57AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 10:29:42AM +1200, cr wrote: > > Agreed, but unfortunately there's all this spurious 'compatible' crap. > > Nobody was ever scared off buying a GM car because it wasn't > > 'Ford-compatible'. > > Really? So that's why you see so many government issue vehicles that > aren't a Ford Crown Victoria or a Chevrolet Impala, or if it's been on > the road for a while, a Fordrolet Crown Impala. There's not a whole > lot that can't be exchanged between those two on most model years. Well, the analogy works better wrt British Fords and GMs. Over here, one can proverbially assemble any set of Ford running gear into any Ford bodyshell. So you can take the guts out of your 1300 Escort and fit a Capri V6 and the overdrive gearbox out of a Transit van, and it all just bolts together. You can play similar games within the British/Vauxhall and German/Opel GM lines. But you can't put GM bits in a Ford, or vide versa. But as far as most drivers are concerned, Fords and GMs are compatible. The steering wheel, pedals etc are all in the same relative positions and work the same way. If you were to make a car with even slightly different controls - like a different gearshift pattern - nobody would buy it. Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Download accelerator
On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 12:02:37PM -0500, ScruLoose wrote: > Back in my Windoze days, I used to have great fun saturating my DSL line > with GetRight... and I had wondered about download managers under Debian > myself (Though it hadn't made it to the top of my stack of priorities > yet...) I have found it necessary to use GetRight to saturate a dialup under Windoze. If Windoze is allowed to use its own downloading mechanisms it has an infuriating habit of sitting around scratching its arse for several seconds at frequent intervals while the TD/RD LEDs remain dark. This is less of a problem when using GetRight, even without doing parallel downloads, though it is usually necessary to do at least two downloads in parallel to prevent it completely. Sometimes these pauses seem to be caused by the server at the other end scratching its own arse, in which case GetRight's ability to send regular pings seems to help. Linux seems to have much less of an itchy arse, so I can tell phoenix to download something and it happily uses all the dialup bandwidth without great long pauses. To make most efficient use of the dialup when wgetting large numbers of files, I find it helpful to run a couple of wgets in parallel, so that the gaps in transmission which occur when one wget is requesting the next file can be used by the other wget for downloading. It does seem that wget can do all that GetRight does and more, but there is less need for it as a replacement for browser downloads. As a tool for using metered dialups most efficiently, some form of download manager type software is invaluable. For example, I can copy from debian-user emails the URLs of documentation that people have recommended for some task I'm interested in, to a file, and when that file reaches a reasonable size, run wget to retrieve all the documents in one go. This is much more efficient than connecting, downloading and disconnecting again for each URL as I read the email. IIRC d4x is simply a graphical frontend to wget. I tried it when I was running slink, but it didn't work, so I settled for running wget in one xterm and man wget in another one. This works well enough that I haven't bothered to try d4x under woody. Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Difficulty configuring exim for use with fetchmail and as external MTA.
On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 12:59:39AM -0500, Chris Metzler wrote:
> Hi. I'm a new-ish Debian home user, and exim was the default
> SMTP handler at installation time. I have a problem with exim
> that I've put up with for quite some time; but enough is enough,
> and I'm trying to solve it now, and hope someone can help.
>
> I don't use exim to listen on port 25; no incoming SMTP connections
> are allowed. I use exim 1) as an MTA for outgoing external mail,
> and 2) as a local MDA.
>
> Email sent to users on my host first goes to an IMAP server at my
> ISP, speakeasy.net; I fetch it from them using fetchmail, which then
> passes it off to exim for local delivery. Since the email grabbed by
> fetchmail, and then passed to exim for local delivery, will come in
> with addresses of the form <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, exim needs to
> recognize that incoming mail with that domain is indeed local, and
> should be put in 's mailbox in /usr/mail, rather than being
> forward via outgoing SMTP back to mail.speakeasy.net. This implies
> that "speakeasy.net" should be set as a local domain in exim.conf.
>
> Also, outgoing email needs a domain tacked on. In particular,
> outgoing external mail, to be passed to mail.speakeasy.net by SMTP,
> needs "@speakeasy.net" to be tacked on to in the "From:"
> header. At present, I take care of this by having qualify-domain
> -- the domain automatically tacked on to all unqualified addresses
> -- set to "speakeasy.net".
>
> THE PROBLEM: outbound external email to an address at speakeasy.net
> which is not on my local host -- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --
> fails. exim sees the "@speakeasy.net" and interprets the mail as being
> local, because "speakeasy.net" is in the local domain list. It then
> tries to deliver the mail to on my local host, and
> fails because there is no such user.
>
> The only solution I can think of is to use something other than exim as
> the local MDA (e.g. procmail or another MDA/MTA like qmail or whatever).
> If I did that, then exim would no longer need to think that speakeasy.net
> is a local domain. But that seems like a Rube Goldberg solution to what
> I would naively think is a very common user situation.
>
> What am I missing here? Any pointers would be appreciated. Thanks.
It seems you've got pretty much the same setup as me; in my
/etc/exim/exim.conf I have:
qualify_domain = nestie.pigeonloft
local_domains = localhost:nestie.pigeonloft
local_domains_include_host = true
local_domains_include_host_literals = true
# This rewriting rule is particularly useful for dialup users who
# don't have their own domain, but could be useful for anyone.
# It looks up the real address of all local users in a file
[EMAIL PROTECTED]${lookup{$1}lsearch{/etc/email-addresses}\
{$value}fail} frFs
and in /etc/email-addresses:
# This is /etc/email-addresses. It is part of the exim package
#
# This file contains email addresses to use for outgoing mail. Any local
# part not in here will be qualified by the system domain as normal.
#
# It should contain lines of the form:
#
#user: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
#otheruser: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
pigeon: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There's no need to get rid of exim - it works fine!
Pigeon
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Re: tar ate my symlinks
On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 01:30:45PM -0800, Vineet Kumar wrote: > When figuring out which files to back up, I'd say you should avoid > backing up things that can just be reinstalled. Like, for example, take > the output of dpkg --get-selections, and you won't need to back up all > of /usr; you can restore by simply using dpkg --set-selections. Surely this doesn't cover the case of non-debian packages installed in /usr/local? - ie. Don't forget to back up /usr/local! Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No "File -> Save" in gimp
The subject says it all really... I've just installed gimp1.2 on my woody system and there are no Save, Save As etc. options in the File menu. I can still save files by hitting Ctrl-S, but only over the top of the original file. I don't get prompted for a filename to save under, nor do I get a chance to save it into a different directory. I haven't done anything "funny" to it - just apt-get install, go into X, type "gimp", get a File menu with "New..." and "Open..." but no "Save" or "Save As...". I load an image... still no "Save"/"Save As". I make some changes to the image... still no "Save"/"Save As". Is there some incantation one has to perform to get a Save option? If so, what is it? And WHY??? Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Download accelerator
On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 10:19:36AM -0800, Vineet Kumar wrote: > GetRight is a product of Headlight Software, which is, AFAIK, not in any > way affiliated with the microsoft corporation. > > The GetRight site indicates that they are working on versions for Mac > and even Linux, and also relays reports that it works under WINE. So if > that's what you're looking for, it may be a way to go. > > I haven't used it since I liberated my desktop many years ago, and I > don't know if it supports segmented downloads, etc. It does. Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: passwordless ssh login not working: BUG?
It seems this thread made its way onto usenet, and I reproduce the text of an email exchange that resulted: > On Wed, Mar 19, 2003 at 02:37:21PM +1100, (somebody) wrote: > > Hi Pigeon, > > > > I just read your usenet thread > > http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&threadm=20030208053009%246b20%40gated-at.bofh.it&rnum=10&prev=/groups%3Fq%3D%2522debug1%2522%2B%2522try%2Bpubkey:%2522%2B%2522.ssh/id_dsa%2522%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26selm%3D20030208053009%25246b20%2540gated-at.bofh.it%26rnum%3D10 > > > > I had the _exact_ same problem as you. After reading the thread and > > doing the same things I have it working as well. If you wouldn't have > > posted this message, I would not have it working at all. > > > > You should document it perhaps? There would be many people out there who > > would appreciate it. It's certainly a problem with ssh-keygen / sshd not > > allowing the keys to be terminated with [EMAIL PROTECTED], but allowing a > > non-existing file. > > > > Thanks a lot > Pigeon wrote: > > So it got onto usenet? Wow, I had no idea. It was on the debian-user > list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) that I posed the question > originally. > > I'm glad you found it useful! > > There's not much point in me documenting it as I don't have a website > on which to publish the documentation. However, there are various > people on debian-user who maintain FAQs and lists of helpful hints > etc, so I shall pass the suggestion on. (Having removed your personal > details, of course.) > > According to Vineet, who was my debian-user mentor on this, the > termination of the key is supposed to be a comment, so it shouldn't > make any difference whether it's an address or a nonexistent file. The > fact that this is not the case on your system as well as mine suggests > to me that I should also file a bug against sshd. I am reluctant to file bugs in case I end up wasting the developers' time over something which is actually my brain not working or a peculiarity of my setup. Since there are evidently other people having the same problem, does the list feel I should go ahead? And are any FAQ-writers interested in (somebody)'s suggestion? Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] New Mobo, etc
On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 08:59:50PM -0500, Bob Paige wrote: > Bill wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >FYI Those MSI boards can go up to a 2600 with a BIOS Update. Gotta love > >MSI! > > As far as a bios update for more speed, doesn't that require a faster > CPU chip also? Yeah, I interpret Bill's post as "with a BIOS update, you can use a CPU up to 2600". The question is, does that mean "a CPU that AMD call 2600" or "a CPU that you clock at 2600MHz"? Are we talking real units, or AMD's silly "we think it's as good as this fast an Intel" marketing thing? > And how do you install the BIOS update if you have a > 'pure' system (no M$ installation)? I haven't tried this, but wouldn't a freedos boot floppy be the easiest? (Or even an MSDOS one?) Unless the installer's now Windoze-only, of course. Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No "File -> Save" in gimp
RRRGGGHHH!!! I must not assume Microsoft behaviour in Linux apps. I must not assume Microsoft behaviour in Linux apps. I must not assume Microsoft behaviour in Linux apps. I must not assume Microsoft behaviour in Linux apps. I must not assume Microsoft behaviour in Linux apps Thanks to everyone for their replies. Yep, the right-click works fine. And brings up a bunch of other useful things. I should have mentioned that I did refer to the gimp help menu (which does behave like a Microsoft one...) and looked up Save. Yes, there it was, and Save As, and it told me what they were used for, but it didn't tell me how to bring them up! It wouldn't take much coding effort to put a File menu on the image window. I'm almost tempted to hack it myself, but now that I know how to save, I can't be arsed to familiarise myself with the source of such a large app just to make one tiddly change! Thanks again, Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: default editor
On Wed, Mar 19, 2003 at 03:39:58PM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote: > Alan Shutko wrote: > > > Will Yardley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > >> Some programs use VISUAL, some EDITOR, some both... the distinction > > >> between them has long been lost. > > > > > > Perhaps, but EDITOR is supposed to be your line editor, and VISUAL your > > > full screen editor, or at least that's what I've always been told. > > > > Sure. But that distinction hasn't really been meaningful for at > > least a decade, and people writing programs these days don't > > necessarily follow it. > > And by way of illustrating just how worthless the distinction is these > days... when was the last time you actually used a line editor > interactively? At least once a week, usually more... last time a couple of hours ago. Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Rant (was Re: X Window : Newbie)
On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 06:43:49AM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:09:50 -0600, > Gianfranco Berardi wrote: > > [...] > > > Unfortunately, people need to be told to RTFM everyday, because > > everyday new people come and don't realize that they can RTFM. > > Pointing people to Google or to the source is a nice bit of > > convenience. How many people grew up isolated from other > > computer geeks and don't have the contacts to know about things > > we take for granted, like Google or LUGs? It is hard to believe > > that people grow up without knowing about these things, but it > > is obviously true. > > I first used a telephone when I was in college. Unbelievable? Dunno. How long ago were you in college? Did you know about telephones before you went to college? Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: moving harddives from one system to another
On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 07:35:48PM -0800, nate wrote: > Hanasaki JiJi said: > > is it safe to take a harddrive, with data on it, out of one system and > > put it in another? > > > > sure. I've never seen a linux system damage a disk by itself. i've moved > disks tons of times, never had a problem. Just watch out in the case of systems which might run microfots as well as linux. If the drive you've moved has any DOS/Windoze partitions on it, "don't access them from DOS/Windoze" is the safest rule. Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PCI ATA card support
On Sat, Mar 22, 2003 at 03:09:46PM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: > Also, the kernel sources for version 2.4 are available as a package, so you > could compile your own kernel with the proper hardware support ^^^ That's "CMD64X and CMD680 chipset support" in make menuconfig. (2.4.20) Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: PCI ATA card support
On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 03:08:15PM +1100, Lindsay Yardley wrote: > G'day Alvin/All, > | - why do you want raid??? > I'm setting up a file/print server. > | > | - sometimes you cannot boot off hde/hdg > |- did you test that you cn boot off hde/hdg > don't want to boot from it. > > hda1 - /boot > hda2 - / > hda3 - swap > hde/g raid set - /var > hde/g raid set - /home > > that's why i asked if it would be possible/advisable to first install debian > to hda1,2,3 then > add the RAID1 set, format/mount it and move /var & /home over to it. This wasn't entirely clear, he says having re-read the thread. This is how I'd do it. I messed about with RAID a while ago just to get some idea of what it was about, using the following method: 1) Take one machine with woody and some spare HDs 2) Add RAID support to the kernel (I use custom kernels) 3) Read the stuff about RAID in /usr/share/doc/HOWTO 4) Issue a few commands according to what I'd just read - bingo! one working RAID set. Step 4 a problem? The reason it's so vague was that I found that having done step 3, step 4 turned out to be sufficiently straightforward that I didn't bother remembering the details of what I did (just thought "OK, that was easy, now I can take it all apart again"). So take heart! > So far I've found out I need to use the 2.4 kernel and set the ATA card > IDE's at boot with "Boot: bf24 ide2=0x6200,0x6302,11 ide3=0x6400,0x6502,11" > where ide2=[start IO address],[end IO address],[IRQ]. You seem to have the hardware working, so the hard part is over. Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X
On Mon, Mar 24, 2003 at 06:37:02AM +, Karsten M. Self wrote: > on Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 05:43:42PM -0700, Glenn English ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > On Sun, 2003-03-23 at 14:54, Leo Spalteholz wrote: > > > > > Sorry this won't help you but I've always wondered why debian does > > > this. You install xdm and the defualt is to boot straight into a > > > graphical login. Why?? At the very least it should ask you when > > > installing if you want to start up into X. Well said. > Debian assumes you wouldn't have installed X if you didn't want it > starting automatically. Why? It's reasonable for Windoze to be installed with "BootGUI=1" because you can do naff-all in DOS mode. But with Linux you can do MORE from the command line than the GUI tools. The assumption is not justified. The GUI becomes something you can use when you need it (web browsing, gimp, etc) rather than something you have to use all the time. For me, one of the great attractions of Linux is the power of the command line. When I first installed debian (slink) I didn't bother installing X for quite a while, until I needed it for something that produced graphical output. The next time I rebooted and got a completely unexpected graphical login, I was both shocked and furious. This question is asked pretty often on this list, so it seems reasonable to assume that plenty of people do not want to boot straight into X. > And that you'd know how to disable it from > doing so via update-rc.d. How is someone who has just installed it for the first time supposed to know this? Plenty of people don't. We know they don't, because they keep asking the list. > For more: > > http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/xdm-disable.html > > > > > A friend of mine recently installed debian and whenever he rebooted > > > it started x and then hung his machine. He doesn't have enough > > > experience to know how to circumvent this and therefore had to do a > > > complete reinstall. Which is what would have happened to a friend of mine recently if I hadn't done the installation for him and known to take out xdm. > Silly boy. Debian doesn't require reinstalls. Hell, a friend trashed > his /var partition and recovered (well, rebuilt) without a reinstall. > Not recommended. But possible. The two abovementioned friends, being totally new, did not know this... > > > I would think that especially debian would adopt a policy of having > > > automatic boot to X disabled by default. Every other distro will at > > > least ask you. I agree. It *should* ask. Why doesn't it? > It is. No it isn't. > Debian doesn't install X by default. Ergo: X doesn't start by default. That's not "disabled". That's "not installed". Course it doesn't flippin' start if it's not installed! And when it is installed, automatic boot to X is *enabled* by default. > X is only installed if you request it. And as with other services, when > installed, SysV init is updated so that the service is automatically > started. ... so that *xdm* is automatically started. Which you don't actually need on the machine at all. But the new user doesn't know this. Even if they notice that xdm has been installed along with X, they'll just assume that it's been installed because you do need it. Which you don't, unless you've asked for a graphical login. Which is a choice you don't get offered. Technically, xdm is only installed if you request it. Practically, the new user struggles and swears with dselect and doesn't notice that xdm has been selected, or the significance of it. Nor do they realise that they don't need it, especially given dselect's obstinacy over suggests/recommends. Or they just use tasksel, and know even less about what's going on. Hit the Button That Makes It Work, reboot, X can't handle the motherboard's onboard video adapter, machine is useless. > > After spending the afternoon in the Debian /etc directory, I'm > > inclined to agree with Evi Nemeth et al who claim Debian's init > > process leaves a little something to be desired, readability-wise. > > It's such a mess that I'd volunteer to fix it if I thought I knew > > enough. Can't agree here... when I got hit with the graphical login thing it didn't take me too long to get from 'ps ax' to 'rm /etc/rc?.d/S99gdm' (slink, remember). Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] user psychology
On Sun, Mar 23, 2003 at 08:51:35PM -0600, Kirk Strauser wrote: > At 2003-03-23T22:27:37Z, Raju Kurunkad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > For laughs, you can read thru the "Bastard operator from hell" archives at > > > > http://bofh.ntk.net/Bastard.html > > That was written as *humor*? I'd thought it was a training manual. No, to find a real-world example google for "info.eagle.current.status". Pigeon -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian / Linux KaZaA client?
On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 06:23:21AM -0200, klaus imgrund wrote: > On Wednesday 15 October 2003 03:21, Alex Malinovich wrote: > > > Better make sure that your friend's kids aren't 12. The RIAA seems to > > have it in for 12 year olds. :) > > > That aside you could try mldonkey or xmule for the edonkey network or gift. > There are plugins for gift that support fasttrack aka kazaa and gnutella. > For a gui try apollon. > I got no idea what of those you can get as deb's though and wouldn't advise to > get any from stable anyway.Those networks change protocols often and Linux > clients usually are playing catchup. Ah, thanks for that. Hmm. I wasn't planning on giving him unstable; gift appears to be available in the same version both for stable and unstable, so that's cool. mldonkey appears to be unstable-only, giving me the options of source-build to /usr/local, chroot, backport, or source-build to a custom .deb, which would be nicest. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Can't install kernel compiled on sid machine on a woody system
On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 01:40:18PM +0200, Magnus von Koeller wrote: Content-Description: signed data > PLEASE CC ME, I'M NOT ON THIS LIST! Thanks! > > I tried compiling a new 2.4.22 kernel for the old pentium machine that > does my routing services. Because this is done about 20 times as fast > on my laptop, of course I compiled it there. In fact, I made a .deb > with make-kpkg. > > Now, when I try to install this package on the old machine (that is > running woody), I get lots of unresolved symbols in the modules and > dpkg complains and suggests to stop the install. What am I doing > wrong? > > The router (on which I try to install the kernel) is all-woody with > security updates and the laptop (on which I compile the kernel) is > newest sid, with gcc 3.3 (same thing happens with gcc 3.2, however). What about with gcc-2.95.4? -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: sa-exim: What user does spamassassin run as?
On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 01:21:58AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > Does sa-exim suid to the user recieving the mail when it runs? Dunno, but: make it touch a file in /tmp and see who owns it? Run pgrep in a loop while you send yourself a mail? -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Does DRI work?
On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 02:21:37PM +0200, Nicos Gollan wrote: > Every once in a while, apt thought it just had to "update" X (from 4.2 to some > early 4.1 at that time), so I had to move the "normal" X directory back, have > apt do its work and then move that chunk out of the way again. check out equivs, perhaps? -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian / Linux KaZaA client?
On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 10:23:46PM -0500, John Hasler wrote: > Pigeon writes: > > Thanks. And this site has the source code, which is mysteriously missing > > from the Debian/unstable version. > > You _have_ filed a bug? Have now. I don't like to scream "BUG!" as soon as I find the slightest wrinkle; I prefer to check it out first to make sure the bug is not in my brain. Mentioning it on debian-user is part of the checking-out process. I take your post as confirmation that there is not some good reason why I get that "Source code: not found". -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian / Linux KaZaA client?
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 05:52:06AM -0200, klaus imgrund wrote: > On Wednesday 15 October 2003 14:20, Pigeon wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 06:23:21AM -0200, klaus imgrund wrote: > > > On Wednesday 15 October 2003 03:21, Alex Malinovich wrote: > > > > > > > Better make sure that your friend's kids aren't 12. The RIAA seems to > > > > have it in for 12 year olds. :) > > > > > > > That aside you could try mldonkey or xmule for the edonkey network or > gift. > > > There are plugins for gift that support fasttrack aka kazaa and gnutella. > > > For a gui try apollon. > > > I got no idea what of those you can get as deb's though and wouldn't > advise to > > > get any from stable anyway.Those networks change protocols often and Linux > > > clients usually are playing catchup. > > > > Ah, thanks for that. Hmm. I wasn't planning on giving him unstable; > > gift appears to be available in the same version both for stable and > > unstable, so that's cool. mldonkey appears to be unstable-only, giving > > me the options of source-build to /usr/local, chroot, backport, or > > source-build to a custom .deb, which would be nicest. > > > > - > If you pick up a tarball of mldonkey it will be a binary that you just unpack > in a directory and run it - no compilation required.There is also a tarball > and cvs to build it from source but you would need ocaml 3.06 installed and I > don't see any advantage in doing that right now. Right, on the mldonkey site there are several tarballs, but with very little information on their dependencies. Rather than waste dialup time downloading a binary at risk of finding that it requires something which isn't in woody, I built the source. It was a remarkably trouble-free process. Quick summary for the benefit of anyone else who's interested: - It requires ocaml-3.06. This is available in sarge, and the source can be built straightforwardly on woody, the only wrinkle being that libgdbmg1 is apparently renamed to libgdbm in sarge, requiring the use of the -d option to dpkg-buildpackage. - It requires lablgtk-1.2.3. lablgtk is available from http://wwwfun.kurims.kyoto-u.ac.jp/soft/olabl/lablgtk.html and the current version for ocaml-3.06 appears to be 1.2.6, which is what I got. I configured it to put everything in /usr/local/lablgtk and it was built without errors first time. Having installed it, it appears to be necessary to ln -s /usr/local/lablgtk /usr/lib/ocaml/3.06/lablgtk for ocaml to find it. (If I was actually programming in ocaml as opposed to just using it as a tool to build something else, no doubt I'd discover a nicer way of doing this.) - mldonkey can then be built - again I encountered no errors - and its binaries stuck in /usr/local. The result fires up OK though I haven't actually tested it online yet. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Can't install kernel compiled on sid machine on a woody system
On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 10:29:01PM +0200, Magnus von Koeller wrote: Content-Description: signed data > On Wednesday 15 October 2003 18:53, Pigeon wrote: > > What about with gcc-2.95.4? > > How would that make any difference? Shouldn't such a kernel package be > pretty much self-contained, not depending on any binary interfaces or > stuff like that? > > Still, I'll try with gcc-2.95. Just thinking that if it was worth trying with 3.2 instead of 3.3, trying with 2.95 - which is what woody uses - would also be worthwhile, possibly more so. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: getting viruses/spam after posting to this list
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 11:29:25AM -0400, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 02:33:18PM +0200, Jan Schulz wrote: > | Hallo! > | > | * Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | [swen] > | > Please report these just like spam (just remember you have to do it by > | > hand and not via spamcop). I've been approaching 75% kill rate thanks > | > to cooperative ISPs. > | > | Not everybody is online all the time. I've disabled my 'non local' SA > | tests and I would pay too much for downloading all the swen crap > | (-> Mailfilter). Sorry... > > You could still report those without downloading the data. I don't > know if Mailfilter can do the job, but the POP3 protocol allows you to > download just the headers without the body of the message. Doing > that, then deleteing the message on the server would allow you to > obtain the necessary information to report the virus. Sticking SHOW_HEADERS=yes in ~/.mailfilterrc makes it save all the headers in the log file. > I have sufficient bandwidth, and I find it simplest to discard any MS > executable. What I don't have is time to manually inspect the headers > of each of the 300+ copies of swen I receive each day and report them. > > Paul is welcome to keep reporting the stuff he gets (say, if you want > I'll redirect all the copies I get to you instead of the bit bucket) > and it's great that it appears to be so effective for him. I think > the best impetus will come when the less technologically adept masses > complaining (since they have to manually delete all the junk) and > discontinue service or switch to an ISP with better service. Then > businesses will (eventually) react to the change in the marketplace. > Since the propagation of Windows and the complacency of ISPs is driven > by money, if the people paying the money complain then the businesses > will have to respond in order to maintain business. It is the > non-geek masses who are hurt the most by these levels of junk because > geeks like myself rarely see any of it. My filtering works just fine but my ISP's POP3 server still seems to be groaning under the strain of all the crap it's receiving for everyone. I've emailed them suggesting they block at least the well-known, easily-identified offenders like swen and sobig at SMTP time. Dunno what they'll say... -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug#215999: mldonkey source code "not found" on website
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 08:24:09PM +0200, Sylvain LE GALL wrote: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 09:25:38PM +0100, Pigeon wrote: > > Package: mldonkey > > Version: 2.5.3-1 > > > > The Debian website package pages for mldonkey > > > > http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/mldonkey-gui.html > > http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/mldonkey-server.html > > > > show "Source code: not found". > > > > Hello, > > I really don't know how to solve this bug ;-> > > I think it is only a question of update of the page. Sure... I figured that the recipient of the bug report would be better placed than me to do this :-) I'm CCing this to debian-user in case anyone there can suggest a more useful way to report this bug. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax
On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 04:15:48AM -0700, Tom wrote: > [OT, sorry -- but question is obscure, will be hard to google] > > Are any non-english-speaking readers aware of High-level programming > languages using non-English syntax? Like, could I find a French C > compiler that uses "pour" instead of "for" and "si" instead of "if"? You could stick #include "francais.h" in your C source, where francais.h contains: #define pour for #define si if #define casser break or something like that... -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: More on spam
On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 11:27:04AM -0400, Wayne Topa wrote: > Brian Walker([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: > > On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:20:24 +0800, John Hasler wrote: > > > > As for getting spamassassin installed, I will fumble a bit in the dark, > > despite the instructions, and scream for help in a bit. This flood of > > spam I have recently been getting amounts to 20MB a day. And my ISP could > > not give a flying fsck. > > > > Thanks for the reference Klaus, to spamassassin and Kmail. > > > > I would suggest installing mailfilter, for a start. With it you can > remove the MS junk at the pop server and never download it. That > would reduce the majority of the spam. > > see the archives an how this is done. Its fast, and easy. > > As an example here is what mailfilter did to spam in the last 4 hours. > > Mail on Server downloaded > 8 AM 235135 > 9 AM33 18 > 10 AM 49 36 > 11 AM 39 28 > > My filters did pick up 11 spam messages from what was downloaded. > Of those spamassassin and other procmail filters caught all but 1 > and sa-learn ahould take care og that one in the future. > > :-) HTH, YMMV, HAND :-) I second this. Deleting swen off the POP3 server has saved me from downloading over 300MB of crap in 2 weeks. That's a lot of dialup time. Spam, as opposed to viruses, is downloaded, spambayes catches it with outstanding reliability, and off it goes to spamcop. Interestingly, spambayes appears to work on the header data only, which (a) makes its reliability even more impressive and (b) suggests the possibility of adapting it to operate like mailfilter, and delete the spam directly off the POP3 server. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Re: Canon BJC-250
On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 03:05:53PM -0600, Steve Mays wrote: > Hello My name is Mandy Smith. I am looking for a disk to > download Canon BJC-250. I can't find one anywhere in Pine > Bluff. I need it so I can print. Since i don't have that > I can't print anything out on my computer. CUPS appears to have support for this printer already, so you don't need to download anything special. Just make sure you've got CUPS installed, go to http://localhost:631/admin and Add a New Printer, select "CANON BJC 250, CUPS+GIMP-print v4.2.0(en)" on the page for selecting Model/Driver. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: More on spam
On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 06:57:40PM +0800, Brian Walker wrote: > > Can I add a line to procmail to prefilter spam with mailfilter, before > letting spamassassin get to work? mailfilter operates on the POP3 mailbox on the remote server, not on stuff you've already retrieved. You can add 'preconnect "mailfilter"' to ~/.fetchmailrc, to get fetchmail to preprocess your POP3 box with mailfilter before it retrieves the messages. > What about the line to add to delete swen messages? Probably the easiest way is simply to bin anything over 145k with MAXSIZE_DENY=145000, then use ALLOW=^From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] to whitelist anyone who might really send you a genuine mail that big. This still lets through the ones around 15k in size that have had the .exe stripped. These can be filtered out on the contents of the From:, To: and sometimes Subject: headers. I "primed" my .mailfilterrc with rules appropriate to what I'd seen in these headers at the time, and have semi-automatedly stuck in extra rules to match the odd ones that still slip through. The attached .mailfilterrc may be of some use. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F LOGFILE=/home/pigeon/mailfilter.log SHOW_HEADERS=yes SERVER=pop3.ukonline.co.uk USER=jah.pigeon PASS=xxx PROTOCOL=pop3 PORT=110 SERVER=pop3.ukonline.co.uk USER=my.other.email.addy PASS=xxx PROTOCOL=pop3 PORT=110 REG_CASE=yes REG_TYPE=extended MAXSIZE_DENY=145000 NORMAL=yes DENY=^Content-(Type|[Dd]isposition):.*(file)?name=.*\.(asd|bat|chm|cmd|com|dll|exe|gif|hlp|hta|js|jse|lnk|ocx|pif|scr|shb|shm|shs|vb|vbe|vbs|vbx|vxd|wav|wsf|wsh) DENY=^(Subject|SUBJECT):.*(Latest Net Critical Update|Bug Message|Abort Letter|abort notice|Failure Message|New Microsoft Security Patch|Error Announcement|Newest Security Patch|Internet Security Upgrade|Abort Advice) DENY=^(From|FROM):.*(Microsoft|MS Email Delivery System|Inet Email|Internet Message|Inet Mail Service|MS Internet|Net. Delivery Service|MS Mail System|internet email delivery|MS Network Delivery|ms network system|MS Security Services|Inet Mail Storage System|Public Assistance|MS Corporation|Internet Mail Storage Service|microsoft mail storage service|Program Security Center|MS Network Email Service|Inet Message Storage System|Program Security Division|MS Email Delivery Service|Program Security Department) DENY=^(To|TO):.*(Network Recipient|Mail Client|Commercial Client|Net Receiver|email client|Partner|Inet User|net user|Commercial Customer|email receiver) ALLOW=^From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ALLOW=^From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ALLOW=^From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] DENY=^(From|FROM):.*internet message delivery system DENY=^(To|TO):.*Email Recipient DENY=^(From|FROM):.*Net Email Delivery Service DENY=^(To|TO):.*Internet Receiver DENY=^(From|FROM):.*MS Security Bulletin DENY=^(To|TO):.*MS Corporation Customer DENY=^(Subject|SUBJECT):.*Newest Microsoft Upgrade DENY=^(Subject|SUBJECT):.*announcement DENY=^(From|FROM):.*Internet Mail Delivery Service DENY=^(To|TO):.*Network Client DENY=^(From|FROM):.*Net Storage Service DENY=^(To|TO):.*Email User DENY=^(From|FROM):.*Internet Mail Delivery System DENY=^(To|TO):.*Internet Recipient DENY=^(From|FROM):.*Net Delivery Service DENY=^(To|TO):.*Internet User DENY=^(From|FROM):.*Net Mail Storage Service DENY=^(To|TO):.*Network User DENY=^(From|FROM):.*MS Inet Message Service DENY=^(To|TO):.*internet receiver DENY=^(From|FROM):.*MS Public Services DENY=^(To|TO):.*Microsoft Customer DENY=^(From|FROM):.*internet system DENY=^(To|TO):.*Inet Recipient DENY=^(From|FROM):.*inet mail service DENY=^(To|TO):.*Net User DENY=^(Subject|SUBJECT):.*Last Microsoft Security Upgrade DENY=^(From|FROM):.*Net Email Storage System DENY=^(To|TO):.*Mail Receiver DENY=^(From|FROM):.*Security Center DENY=^(To|TO):.*Consumer DENY=^(From|FROM):.*MS Security Assistance DENY=^(To|TO):.*Microsoft Corporation Customer DENY=^(Subject|SUBJECT):.*Latest Security Upgrade DENY=^(Subject|SUBJECT):.*SFK AntiVirus scan results DENY=^(From|FROM):.*DrWeb-DAEMON DENY=^(To|TO):.*Recipients of original message DENY=^(From|FROM):.*ms net message delivery service DENY=^(To|TO):.*Mail User DENY=^(From|FROM):.*Net Mail Storage System DENY=^(To|TO):.*Inet Receiver DENY=^(From|FROM):.*Security Support DENY=^(To|TO):.*Microsoft User DENY=^(Subject|SUBJECT):.*Current Microsoft Security Pack DENY=^(To|TO):.*Client DENY=^(Subject|SUBJECT):.*Last Network Critical Pack DENY=^(From|FROM):.*Storage Service DENY=^(To|TO):.*Net Client DENY=^(Subject|SUBJECT):.*Current Microsoft Critical Pack DENY=^(From|FROM):.*MS Corporation Security Division DENY=^(To|TO):.*Microsoft Corporation User DENY=^(From|FROM):.*Microsoft Corporation Technical Support DENY=^(To|TO):.*Customer DENY=^(From|FROM):.*Network Message System DENY=^(From|FROM):.*MS Program Security Section pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax
On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 11:32:06PM -0500, Alex Malinovich wrote: > My first > language was Serbo-Croatian (Commonly referred to as just Serbian since > the war during most of the 90's) I was under the impression that "Serbian" was written with Roman characters, and "Croatian" with Cyrillic, but they were actually the same language, hence "Serbo-Croatian". How close to the truth is this? -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: More on spam
On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 09:49:57AM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 02:39:27AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 01:03:31PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: > > > I'm curious about how you can know that -every- From: address was valid. > > > I think I do not understand how to make such a determination about where > > > my mail is actually coming from. I would like to learn. > > > > Compare envelope from (not the From: header) to the Received: headers. > > > > You presume to much about my knowledge. I use mutt. I turn on full headers. > Which line in what I see is the 'envelope from'? The one right at the top beginning 'From ' (without a colon). > Which are the 'Received: headers'? The ones beginning 'Received:' > Are there also headers that are not 'Received:'? The ones which don't begin 'Received:' > Is it truly impossible for a program to spoof an 'envelope form'? No, it's dead easy, but swen doesn't appear to do it. I've looked at a couple of sets of swen headers; the envelope from was 'From [EMAIL PROTECTED]' and the originating IP in the Received: headers was part of a dialup block owned by some.isp.com, so it does seem plausible that swen's envelope from is not spoofed. No idea why not though. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Bug#215999: mldonkey source code "not found" on website
On Fri, Oct 17, 2003 at 02:48:04AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > The best thing to do with this bug would be to reassign it to > www.debian.org. I know that Frank Lichtenheld is working on rewriting > that part of the web site anyway; he's probably fixed this in the > process, but it wouldn't hurt to check. Thanks. I have, and he hasn't, so I have :-) - which didn't involve any checks (that I noticed) that I had the right to do such a thing... what's to stop some prannock sending malicious control messages and screwing up the BTS? -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [OT] is swen evoluting ?
On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 12:49:54AM +0200, benoit wrote: > hi, > > > i've received thousands of swens, each with a '.exe' file. > > i've just received a '.bat' swen, i'm surprised. am i the only one to > get one ? > > > $ md5sum *bat > b09e26c292759d654633d3c8ed00d18d gawyvom.bat (same as usually) > $ file gawyvom.bat > gawyvom.bat: MS-DOS executable (EXE), OS/2 or MS Windows No, I've had 73 out of 3851 claiming to be a .bat. As your file output shows, it's really a .exe. Contrary to popular belief M$ executables can have any extension, the .exe is not mandatory. The loader figures it out by looking for the .exe signature in the file. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL
On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 01:25:18PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..amen. Not that hard, killing _is_ a sin, even in war: Say you and 2 > more come for me. How do I stop you 3 with one bullet? Easy, I just > fire it. You take it in your right thigh, right next to your balls, > ideally after watching me smile lowering my gun from your eye > and down, while you flip around trying to fire at me. ;-) Ah, just the kind of enemy soldier I want to meet... the one who thinks he's Clint Eastwood and mucks around asking if I'm feeling lucky while I just pull my trigger. :-) -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL
On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 01:07:12AM -0700, Tom wrote: > Maybe in 50 years the Muslims will be turning out killer cars like > Germany or killer stereos like Japan. ...the killer cars aren't too bad, it's the killer cats... -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Thanks Pigeon for Your mailfilterrc
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 11:39:15AM -0500, Thomas H. George wrote: > The dialog on spam has become so lenghty I am afraid you would never see > my thank you note there. > > My copy of mailfilter (testing) did not like those line continuations so > I had to convert to individual entries - no problem after you had done > all the work. After the conversion your mailfilterrc worked like a charm > and the deluge of 70 ms mail bombs a day is gone. > > Just wanted you to know how much I appreciated your posting. Thanks, that's good to know! Re line continuations - perhaps they got munged in transit somehow; the long lines work with both the stable version of mailfilter and the unstable source built under woody. You may have to update the DENY rules occasionally, as every so often a new variant of the From:, To: or Subject: appears to show up. Glad it's working, anyway! -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 10:48:07AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > Could this thread please be taken to some other list or private mail? I > think it's clear that it's got hopelessly off-topic. It's a bit far out for -curiosa as well, though... I think it would be good if there was a debian-offtopic for threads such as this to be moved to. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: anti-spam idea for this list
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 11:50:52AM -0400, Alfredo Valles wrote: > Would it be too difficult to use fuzzy images of the mail addresses instead of > the text of the addresses itself to prevent programs from massively > collecting address from the web archives of this list? I will give up my keyboard and text mode interface when they pry it from my cold dead fingers... -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r1
On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 03:24:25PM +0100, brian.huckstep wrote: > On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 21:28:02, Pigeon wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 01:54:07PM +0100, brian.huckstep wrote: > > > I have a copy of Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r1 on CD-Rom 7 discs in > > > fact. Unfortunately my computer bios only provides boot facility > > > from either my "A" or "C" Drives is there any possibility for me > > > to boot up the Debian/Linux Program through MS-DOS operating system. > > > On inspecting the file content of the 1st Debian Installation disc=20 > > > I couldn't find any "Setup.exe" files that would of perhaps made it > > > possible for me to have installed Debian/Linux using my Windows 98se > > > Start-up Disc. > > > If you can offer any help with my predicament, then I shall naturally > > > be pleased to hear from you. > > > > Have a look in the 'install' directory on the first CD. You'll find a > > file 'sbm.bin' which you can write to a floppy with 'rawrite2.exe' (in > > the same directory). That makes a boot floppy which can boot a CD-ROM: > > you boot off the floppy, it gives you a menu of other devices to boot > > off, select the CD-ROM and away you go. > > Pigeon, > Thank you for responding to my e-mail in which I appealed for some help to > install Debian/Linux. The two files you suggested that I copy to a floppy > didn't I am afraid to say manage to work for me.Because these two files were > to large for a standard size floppy drive I had to compress the floppy to > accommodate them, however, having overcome this hurdle found that when I > tried to reboot my computer using this floppy I received an on-screen > message saying that it was an Invalid System Disc. > I dont know where I go from here, but if you do have any other ideas that > you think might work please do not hesitate to get in touch again. Nono, you don't copy them both to the floppy. You use rawrite2.exe to write sbm.bin to the floppy. I don't want to reboot into DOS to test it but IIRC you just run rawrite2.exe from the command prompt and it asks you for the file to write and the floppy drive to write it to. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: what exactly does "init_module: No such device" mean?
On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 02:09:22PM -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote: > When trying to load a driver reports "init_module: No such device", > what exactly does that mean? > > Does it mean that the module couldn't find any instances of the type > of hardware device that the module handles, using whatever degree of > scanning or probing that that particular module performs? Yes. > (Does "device" means devices at the hardware level with PCI bus > locations and Vendor and Device IDS, Yes. > or does it means devices at > the level of ide0, lo0, etc., listed /proc/devices?) No, those won't be there without the driver for them working. > If a driver reports "init_module: No such device", does that > necessarily mean that the driver doesn't recognize your hardware, With plug-and-play type devices it seems to. > or do you sometimes have to tell the driver an I/O address or IRQ > number so it can find your hardware? This is generally only a problem for ISA devices and possibly devices on the motherboard whose address is assigned by the BIOS setup. Generally the drivers seem pretty sorted at figuring it out for themselves though. Disclaimer: this is "how it looks like it's working to me" rather than being based on a formal study of what's behind that error message. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: A newbie's confusion about BS
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 05:07:41AM -0400, Thomas Pomber wrote: > Okay, I'm out. I got too many weirdos emailing me > about my dick. Who are these people? Leave me alone! Spammers. I get loads of them. They don't seem to realise that pigeons don't have dicks. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Waaaaaay OT] Grammer
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 07:15:30AM -0700, Tom wrote: > > My personal pet peeve is: > http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=octopi > oc?to?pus( P ) Pronunciation Key (kt-ps) > n. pl. oc?to?pus?es or oc?to?pi (-p) > > Octopus is greek. The correct plural is octopuses damn it! ... so shouldn't it be 'octopedes' IIRC? Haralambos? -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mystery: disappearing .mailfilterrc
On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 12:11:18AM -0700, Ross Boylan wrote: > In the last week I have twice rebooted, and each time my .mailfilterrc > AND its backup in an RCS directory have disappeared. Does anyone have > any ideas what could be causing this truly bizarre behavior? > > I know the file was there because a) I checked and b) mailfilter ran > fine before the reboot. > > I run mailfilter from the preconnect of fetchmail. fetchmail is > invoked by the /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/fetchmail script. It runs as user > fetchmail. > > The file is in /var/run/fetchmail/.mailfilterrc with RCS in > /var/run/fetchmail/RCS/. Thr RCS directory itself does survive the reboot. > The files clearly survive having the ppp connection closed down and > restarted (that is, once I get them in place). > > /var is a Reiser file system on an LVM volume in an EVMS container. I > noticed no error messages on boot up, nor do I see any in the log > (though the log has fewer messages than showed on the screen). Have you clocked this message: Clearing: /tmp /var/lock /var/run. /var/run is not a place to put things that you want to survive a reboot... -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: Re: OT - Programming Languages w/o English Syntax]
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 06:47:13PM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote:
> Nori Heikkinen wrote:
> >on Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:38:45PM -0700, Erik Steffl insinuated:
> ...
> >> of course, you can create various complex and ambiguous sentences in
> >>english, the point is that you can take few forms of sentences and
> >>have a working language (that's pretty much what BASIC (talking
> >>about programming language) is).
> >
> >you can do that in both languages.
>
> let's say you have a function called isRed(x) (returns true if x is
> red). Now how would you call this function in german? it would never be
> in agreement with all possible x (grammatically). not sure if this is
> the best example - perhaps in this case it would be acceptable to use
> istRot, regardless of gender of x. point is you would run into problems
> like this trying to use german, you would very rarely come up with
> problems of this nature in english...
Interesting. I *think* a correct declaration in Latin would be:
boolensis rufa_est(compages colori *index);
(ie. bool is_red(struct [of] colour *pointer) )
index is 'common', ie. adopts the gender of what it is referring to.
Here that is 'compages', which is feminine, hence 'rufa'. But it would
have to change when you used it in code:
si (rufus_est(hic_color)) {
scribef("Communistus est.\n");
}
as 'color' is masculine.
But I think you'd be OK in German:
boolisch ist_rot(Farbesstruct *pointer); (shortcomings of the German
dictionary I downloaded are
becoming apparent)
als ist_rot(die_Farbe) {
schreibef("Kommunistich ist.\n");
}
als ist_rot(das_Blut) {
schreibef("Kein Koenig ist.\n");
}
--
Pigeon
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Re: Gender in language (was Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: ])
On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 10:54:24PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > Being a native speaker of American, I've always wondered > - What is the purpose of "gender" in grammar/language? Argh, this does my head in too. Especially when you come across things like all the words for female genitals in lots of languages having the masculine gender. Work that one out. Also, what do the advocates of "gender-neutral" language do in German? And what do they do in French? > - Is it only the European/Latinate languages that have the gender > concept? No, it's all over the shop. I think there are one or two languages that are notable for not having it even for men and women, but AFAIK the vast majority do have it. > - Why English doesn't have gender, since it's predecessor, German, > does have gender? Because we've got enough sense to realise that girls aren't neuter. :-) -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: What arch is my PC [was: Need some help.......]
On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 01:47:31PM -0400, Zak Labsir wrote: > Hello > I got confused with all those kin of CDs set of debian for different > architecture. > I got this Soyo KT400 Dragon Ultra (Platinum) Socket A MB and I don't what > CD I suppose to buy. is it i386 or some other one. > Please help, Thank you for your time Please reply to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] i386 is correct. Simplistically: "if you can run DOS / Windoze on it, it's i386". -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [Waaaaaay OT] Grammer
On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 09:55:02AM -0400, Daniel B. wrote: > "Karsten M. Self" wrote: > > > > on Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 06:59:35PM +0100, Pigeon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 07:15:30AM -0700, Tom wrote: > > > >... > > > > > > > > Octopus is greek. The correct plural is octopuses damn it! > > > > > > ... so shouldn't it be 'octopedes' IIRC? Haralambos? > > > > hexadecipus > > Think outside the box (well, you did, but think further outside the > box): that's only _two_ octopu...thingies. Plural goes beyond two. > > :-) Yeah, but as well as 'singular' and 'plural', Greek has the 'dual', where there are two things... :-) :-) -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: libc6 gcc wrapper
On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 09:56:39AM +0200, GCS wrote: > Hi, > > I have read on debian-user that you could compile libc6 for yourself > with a wrapper around gcc. Can you please send it to me? My problem is > even if I do not change the source package, my compilation is unstable. > So apt-get source glibc, debuild and dpkg -i causes segfaulting > binaries. :-( Er, I think you may have misunderstood... I have a wrapper around gcc to ensure it is always called with my desired optimisation options even if I'm compiling a package with ill-behaved makefiles that ignore CFLAGS etc. Simply to compile a package does not of itself require a wrapper. In particular, it doesn't sound like your problem can be solved by the use of a wrapper. Off the top of my head I'd guess that perhaps your gcc installation has been corrupted - try reinstalling gcc - or perhaps you've got a memory fault. That's little more than guessing though. Can you compile other stuff OK? What exactly segfaults? I'm CCing this to debian-user, in case anyone there has any insights (well actually I'm sending it to debian-user and BCCing you since I can't find your email address on the list for the last few months and don't want to risk inundating you with swen). Since you've asked for it, I'm attaching my wrapper... please note: - it is a *VERY* ugly hack - the programming sucks - it may break compilation of some packages that rely on being able to set particular options to make things compile properly - it forces "-O2 -march=i686" if pigeon.gccopts cannot be read (edit source and recompile to change this) To install it: rename /usr/bin/gcc-2.95 to /usr/bin/realgcc-2.95 stick the fake gcc-2.95 in /usr/bin stick pigeon.gccopts in /usr/local/etc edit /usr/local/etc/pigeon.gccopts with your desired options (one per line, fixed strings only) gccfudge.c is the source code. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F gccfudge.tar.gz Description: Binary data pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Insidious Spam/swen/Garbage
On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 07:39:11AM -0700, John Yurcik wrote: > Hi, I am glad to be on this list-even if it seems like > one has to wade through crocodiles to be here. I got a > yahoo e-mail account because I thought that I could > manage this junk that accumulates in my mail. > "Microsoft security update" always some odd addressee, > 142 or 154kb.It doesn't appear that blocking this > stuff works,probably because different addresses keep > being generated. Yahoo does recognize 95% of it but it > ends up in my bulk mail. Is there something I can do > to block this stuff with an on-line mail account? Search the list archives for 'fetchyahoo' - ISTR someone posted a solution recently. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)
On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 10:38:33PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:18:03 -0700, > Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 07:50:58PM +0200, David Jardine wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 11:38:18AM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > > > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 09:07:05PM +0200, David Jardine wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 08:28:29AM -0700, Tom wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Europe is America minus 10 years. > > > > > > > > > > And not just Europe. And that's exactly what the bin Ladens, > > > > > Jacques Chiracs etc of this world are fighting to prevent. > > > > > > > > I'm kind of afraid to ask but what does Bin Laden have to do with > > > > Jacques Chirac. > > ...or Bush. > > > > They share an antipathy towards US domination and create US > > > antipathy towards them by their different ways of expressing it. > > .."expressing it"??? How about a wee lecture in _that_ art? > > ..sofistication and "Qui bono?": s/Q/C/ (sorry, the language thread's got me into Latin mode :-) ) > _Who_ did _not_ bomb|sabotage|etc > Hitlers railroads to Auschwitz? _Who_ dropped the surviving Jews off > _right_ in between _who's_ colonies in the Middle East? ...mind you, dem Jews should have taken more notice of their own book. Isaiah, beginnings of chapters 30 and 31 spring to mind. And lots of other bits. > _Who_ got > a _wee_ hint in 1956 over a certain Suez Canal, by _which_ other 3 > veto powers in the UN "Security" Council? _Who_ dropped _who's_ > Indo-China colony wars into Forrest Gump's lap in the early 60'ies? > In that 13 year old laptop colony war, _which_ Sissy Boy ANG > lieutenant went AWOL for a full year ? _Where_ did he go, and, > qu'a-t-il fait l?? > > .."Europe is America minus 10 years.". Riiight. > > > God, this planet needs another LSD revolution; we need another > > Beatles. YES... hmmm... Foursome dating from 60s with Beatles inspirations and none of them having one foot in the grave, needed to spearhead the day of revolution. John - Les - Woolly - Mel - get back together, the world needs you, debian-user has decided it! > > Life could be so much more interesting than this. > > ..as in worthwhile, I agree, as in exiting, I respectfully disagree, > I could use _less_ exitement, like in peace. "...live in interesting times" :-) > ..now we have GI's committing suicide just like in Vietnam. Dope was > abused there too, and it won't help you this time either. ...handing out speed and downers like smarties isn't a very good idea either... > Draft Dodger > Bill Clinton at the very least had enough spine to salute some of the > coffins he caused. > > ..put your traitors and your war criminals where they belong, on trial. > They really belong on death row, but do it _right_. I mean, you kicked= > Nixon out of Office on some silly burglary. After Iraq and Palestine > etc is freed, and your traitors and war criminals has been hanged, > there may be a new _viable_ chance for peace. hmmm... s/hanged/imprisoned/ I think getting rid of the death penalty would be an excellent thing for America to do. > ..you will have to earn it. And, you _can_. It only takes a spine. > Once you show it, the Muslims may want to do likewise with their > war criminals. > Facing Our Nuclear Etc Alliance, they _are_ showing their spines. > And, they _are_ about as right as the Jews in WWII. ...facing cultural rather than physical extermination... I'm inclined towards agreement. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Gender in language (was Re: way-OT: regularity of german v. english [was: ])
On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 12:05:14PM -0400, Nori Heikkinen wrote: > on Fri, 24 Oct 2003 12:52:10AM +0100, Pigeon insinuated: > > Also, what do the advocates of "gender-neutral" language do in > > German? And what do they do in French? > > what do you mean by advocates of gender-neutral languages? people who > think that nothing in english should be gendered? People who insist on using eg. "chairperson" instead of "chairman" or "chairwoman", and invent ugly pronouns like "hir" to do duty for both "him" and "her" instead of using the "they" fudge that everyone else has been happy with for centuries. :-) -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Insidious Spam/swen/Garbage
On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 01:14:38AM +0200, David Jardine wrote: > It is beyond my capability (but only slightly, I feel, and it > should be very easy for lots of people here) to produce a sort of > interactive fetchmail that reads the headers of each message on > the server, presents them to you and asks if you want to fetch > the message or delete it. This is what I would like to have. ...like pop3browser? Or you can get mutt to read your POP3 box directly - the necessary config has been on the list fairly recently. I think you'll probably find that configuring an automatic solution is a lot less hassle in the long run. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Mailfilter+Mutt Problem
On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 01:32:17PM -0700, Lonnie Sutton wrote: > Hi Pigeon, > > First, let me add my thanks for your putting up your .mailfilterrc to > give me a great start on that file and dealing with the blizzard of spam > that comes from posting to the d-u list these days. Thanks! > I installed mailfilter 0.5.1 in my mail system by using the "preconnect" > addition to my .fetchmailrc (fetchmail is version 6.2.4) and using exim > version 3.36 as my MTA, and mutt 1.5.4i in a Debian testing system last > evening before shutting down for the evening, and making sure that > mailfilter seemed to be operating OK and as expected, which it seemed to > do. I am on DSL so always on. ...so by 'shutting down', you mean you closed all open applications, but didn't actually issue the 'shutdown' command and power the machine off? > However, when I opened mutt this morning, all of my new messages were > shown in the index as having been read, i.e, no "N" status. Prior to my > installing and activating mailfilter, my index would show new messages > with the above status and any new messages still unread when I close > mutt would be changed to "O" when I reopened mutt next time. Now I have > lost this useful functionality in Mutt. This is done by mutt inserting a Status: header in the mailbox (there is no separate file). Messages with no Status: header are shown as 'N'. When you read a message mutt inserts 'Status: RO' and the message is shown as read. If you quit without reading the message, 'Status: O' is inserted and you get 'O' when you open mutt again. AFAIK the only thing that will alter that Status: header is mutt itself... and the only time I've found all my new messages shown as read is after leaving the room with my keyboard accessible to my pigeon. > Would you be kind enough to point me to the right location for > reading how to restore the functionality I am missing. I have looked > through the Mutt documentation and suspect it has do do with formatting > the index, but didn't see any thing there that told me how to do that. I don't think there's much you can do. You could edit the mbox by hand and delete the Status: header from the new messages, as determined by looking at the date; or you could write a script to do it. I'm not aware of any automatic method of restoring it. > Mailfilter is working great, thanks very much, as near as I can tell. > > Thanks in advance for your helping an old fart, and all the best. I'm sorry that I can't be of more help, but the thing is I don't have the faintest idea what caused your problem. I'm CCing this to debian-user in case anyone there has any ideas. Cheers, -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)
On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 06:41:23PM -0400, Thomas Pomber wrote: > Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 10:38:33PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > ... After Iraq and Palestine > > > etc is freed, and your traitors and war criminals has been hanged, > > > there may be a new _viable_ chance for peace. > > > > Without going into left field, and without saying anything negative, > > what's your vision of a harmonious world? Use only positive statements. > > The return of Christ. Rock on that man... -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Problem Maintaining Subscription
On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 10:28:57AM -0500, Thomas H. George wrote: > Twice in the past few weeks my subscription to the debian-user list has > been unsubscribed though I never sent or wanted to send an unsubscribe > message. > > The problem may relate to the deluge of MS mail bombs. Originally my > subscription was to my second mailbox which was georgeacct. When the > deluge of MS mail bombs started and my debian-user subscription was > dropped I contacted my IPS and asked that georgeacct be closed and a new > mailbox xyz be opened (not very imaginative but I was in a hurry). I > then subscribed to the debian-user list from the new mailbox. This did > not stop the deluge of MS mail bombs so I installed mailfilter, got a > good mailfilterrc for MS mail bombs from a posting by Pigeon on the > debian-user list and started using it to filter my mailboxes. This > works beautifully but again my subscription to the debian-user list has > been dropped. > > I will resubscribe for the xyz mailbox this morning. If you know of any > other preventative measures I should taked, please let me know. It could be that your mailbox is going over quota in between swen-deletions, and the resulting bounces are causing you to be automatically unsubscribed from the list. There doesn't unfortunately seem to be any reasonabe solution apart from running mailfilter at more frequent intervals. I tried emailing my ISP suggesting they block the "star offender" viruses like swen and sobig at SMTP time, pointing out that this might also help stop the complaints they've been getting lately about their POP3 server being slow, but they didn't bother to answer... bit surprising actually, as their technical department seems to be less mickey-mouse than most of the mickey-mouse M$-fixated metered dialup ISPs in the UK. They use exim 4.10... anyone got an exim.conf rule for 4.10 to block swen at SMTP time, so I can send them a prepackaged solution - "Read this line, you can see it's not malignant, stick it in your exim.conf and make lots of people very happy" - so they have no excuse? :-) -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: libc6 gcc wrapper
On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 04:31:26AM +1100, Rob Weir wrote: > On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 12:40:54AM +0100, Pigeon said > > > > Er, I think you may have misunderstood... I have a wrapper around gcc > > to ensure it is always called with my desired optimisation options > > even if I'm compiling a package with ill-behaved makefiles that ignore > > CFLAGS etc. Simply to compile a package does not of itself require a > > wrapper. > > Since you've asked for it, I'm attaching my wrapper... please note: > > > > - it is a *VERY* ugly hack > > - the programming sucks > > - it may break compilation of some packages that rely on being able to > > set particular options to make things compile properly > > - it forces "-O2 -march=i686" if pigeon.gccopts cannot be read (edit > > source and recompile to change this) > > Isn't this exactly what pentium-builder does? I believe so, but I've been doing this before I had useful things like a full set of debian CDs, internet access, and the benefit of reading debian-user, through which I found out about the existence of pentium-builder... since I already had a method that worked (for me) I never really investigated pentium-builder. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Insidious Spam/swen/Garbage
On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 10:28:26PM +0200, David Jardine wrote: > On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 02:39:43AM +0100, Pigeon wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 01:14:38AM +0200, David Jardine wrote: > > > It is beyond my capability (but only slightly, I feel, and it > > > should be very easy for lots of people here) to produce a sort of > > > interactive fetchmail that reads the headers of each message on > > > the server, presents them to you and asks if you want to fetch > > > the message or delete it. This is what I would like to have. > > > > ...like pop3browser? > > That looks useful - when I can get it working :( - and decently > small. ...it's dead easy; what problem are you having? -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: X11R6
On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 09:07:55PM +1300, Paul William wrote: > On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 15:10, David R Hovland wrote: > > How do you get xwindows to start in Debian? I have reloaded it four > > times thinking I needed to use a different disk. I downloaded all > > seven. All I get at login is this: > > > > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc: /usr/bin/X11/X: No such file or > > directory. > > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xinit/xserverrc: exec: /usr/bin/X11/X: cannot > > execute: No such file or directory. > > > > giving up. > > > > xinit: Connection refused (errno 111): unable to connect to xserver > > xinit: No such process (errno 3): Server error > > run tasksel as root and select "desktop environment" and then (i think) > click finish and then do whatever else it tells you to do. For some reason this doesn't work... I tried it the other day... if all you select in tasksel is 'desktop environment' you don't get an X server installed. Huh?? (Though given that boot-floppies has one foot in the grave it's probably not worth making a fuss over this.) apt-get install xserver-xfree86 (as others have said) is the cure. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: 2.6.0-test8 PCI (?) troubles
On Fri, Oct 24, 2003 at 10:56:57PM +0200, Kjetil Kjernsmo wrote: > Hi all! > > Lately, I have been desparately trying to get a second head with a > separate login on my computer, something that has included quite a few > approaches. Finally, I've upgraded to sid, and now I'm onto > 2.6.0-test8, and not only that, it's patched with the ruby patches. I > got the whole thing from Andreas Schuldei, who has done some great work > on this. Presumably, what I'm now seeing are not specifically ruby > problems, so I try to avoid bothering him (unless he wants to chime > in). > > I've googled through the archives, and done the things recommended > there, like enabling VT, creating /sys, etc. I'm not including all the > details, since I don't know where to start, I guess for the sake of > brevity it is no use posting a lot of possibly irrelevant info. > > Compile (using make-kpkg) seems to go fine, so does install. Re-run of > lilo has a couple of warnings, but nothing that has ever meant anything > before... :-) > > When I boot up, I get kernel messages rolling along, but stops with the > following line: > PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xf0d40, last bus=1 > then, the LED on the floppy drive lights up and remain lit, and then it > just sits there. Nothing happens, I and have to push the reset button > to reboot. It doesn't tell me it's panicked either. > > I find the same line in my 2.4.22 dmesg. What follows after booting > 2.4.22 is this: > PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xf0d40, last bus=1 > PCI: Using configuration type 1 > PCI: Probing PCI hardware > PCI: Probing PCI hardware (bus 00) > PCI: Using IRQ router VIA [1106/0686] at 00:04.0 > PCI: Disabling Via external APIC routing > Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4 > > Now, it seems like 2.6 does things in a different order, for example, > the framebuffer stuff seems to be loaded before the halt happens. > OTOH, since it looks as if it is looking through the PCI hardware with > 2.4.22 after this message, I'm guessing something goes wrong with PCI > with 2.6.0-test8 too... I could be very wrong here, but it is the only > clue I have... > > Any better clues...? I have the same chipset. With 2.4, I find I have to turn the APIC off in BIOS Setup, otherwise the boot hangs when it gets to dealing with the APIC. I don't know if this applies to 2.6 (haven't tried 2.6 yet because the driver for my scsi card is broken) but it might be worth a shot. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Simple little basic config questions
On Sat, Oct 25, 2003 at 08:57:41PM -0400, Haines Brown wrote: > In moving from RedHat to debian, I'm left with some simple little > basic configuration questions. They all relate to a situation in which > I operate at this point from console. > > 1. Where do I set the global bash prompt format? I changed PS1= in >/etc/profile, but that only affects user, not root. ~/.bash_profile for users /root/.profile for root > 2. I had placed the command "setterm -blank 0" in RedHat's >/etc/rc.d/rc.local to block screen blanking while running in >console. Debian does not use that file. What is its equivalent? Debian uses a directory-full of separate scripts - /etc/init.d - which are called through symlinks in /etc/rc*. You set one up yourself: # cat > /etc/init.d/noblank #!/bin/sh /usr/bin/setterm -blank 0 && echo 'Console blanking disabled' ^D # chmod a+x /etc/init.d/noblank # ln -s /etc/init.d/noblank /etc/rcS.d/S99noblank > 3. My usual practice is to avoid xdm and boot to a text login >prompt. To do this, in rc2.d I belive I edited the symlink to the >xdm program, renaming "S99xdm ->..." to "K99xdm ->...". But in >debian I get a beep when I try. Am I imagining I once edited the >name of a symlink? Can't one do it in debian? Sure... dunno about this "beep", because I use the command line for stuff like this... # cd /etc/rc2.d # mv S99xdm K99xdm ...if that doesn't work, it'll still give you more informative error messages than a "beep". -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL (BS)
On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 04:41:05PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 03:58:14 +0100, > Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 10:38:33PM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 11:18:03 -0700, > > > Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 07:50:58PM +0200, David Jardine wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 11:38:18AM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 09:07:05PM +0200, David Jardine wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2003 at 08:28:29AM -0700, Tom wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Europe is America minus 10 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And not just Europe. And that's exactly what the bin > > > > > > > Ladens, Jacques Chiracs etc of this world are fighting to > > > > > > > prevent. > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm kind of afraid to ask but what does Bin Laden have to do > > > > > > with Jacques Chirac. > > > > > > ...or Bush. > > > > > > > > They share an antipathy towards US domination and create US > > > > > antipathy towards them by their different ways of expressing it. > > > > > > .."expressing it"??? How about a wee lecture in _that_ art? > > > > > > ..sofistication and "Qui bono?": > > > > > > s/Q/C/ > > > > (sorry, the language thread's got me into Latin mode :-) ) > > ..really? ;-) At school I raised the usual objections "what's the point of learning a dead language" etc. Now I know the answer... it's useful for the purposes of obscure pedantry in off-topic threads on debian-user. Considering Linux didn't exist at the time, I must congratulate my teachers on their foresight. :-) > > > _Who_ did _not_ bomb|sabotage|etc > > > Hitlers railroads to Auschwitz? _Who_ dropped the surviving Jews > > > off_right_ in between _who's_ colonies in the Middle East? > > > > ...mind you, dem Jews should have taken more notice of their own book. > > Isaiah, beginnings of chapters 30 and 31 spring to mind. And lots of > > other bits. > > ..sure, but try make military sense out of it; Air dropping arms in to > the Jews, would have tied up several hundred thousand Nazis, and largely > "for free", the Jews _had_ no choise other than combat. and Zyklon B. ...huh? The only places where there were enough Jews in one place to make this worthwhile would have been the concentration camps themselves, and the guards would have mowed them down as they went to pick the parcels up... there were cases of this happening to non-Jewish POWs receiving Red Cross food parcels even. The only realistic option for the Jews was flight or concealment. I think we've crossed wires a bit here; I was talking about the modern State of Israel having been established after WW2 by the military strength of the victors, mainly the USA, and maintained similarly. The Isaiah passages basically say "don't rely on military alliances for protection, as your allies and you will both go down the tubes". > > > _Who_ got > > > a _wee_ hint in 1956 over a certain Suez Canal, by _which_ other 3 > > > veto powers in the UN "Security" Council? _Who_ dropped _who's_ > > > Indo-China colony wars into Forrest Gump's lap in the early 60'ies? > > > > > > In that 13 year old laptop colony war, _which_ Sissy Boy ANG > > > lieutenant went AWOL for a full year ? _Where_ did he go, and, > > > qu'a-t-il fait l?? > > > > > > .."Europe is America minus 10 years.". Riiight. > > > > > > > God, this planet needs another LSD revolution; we need another > > > > Beatles. > > > > YES... hmmm... Foursome dating from 60s with Beatles inspirations and > > none of them having one foot in the grave, needed to spearhead the day > > of revolution. John - Les - Woolly - Mel - get back together, the > > world needs you, debian-user has decided it! > > > > > > Life could be so much more interesting than this. > > > > > > ..as in worthwhile, I agree, as in exiting, I respectfully disagree, > > > I could use _less_ exitement, like in peace. > > > > "...live in interesting times" :-) >
Re: why is debian the only distribution that won't let me run X?
On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 12:21:33AM +0100, Wilko Fokken wrote: > On Sun, Oct 26, 2003 at 12:23:45PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > > Moin Wilko! > > Wilko Fokken schrieb am Sunday, den 26. October 2003: > > > > ... > > Ehm, you realize that your case is somehow constructed? ET4000 is about > > 10 years old, it is at least 3-4 mainstream generations far away from > > the current mainstream cards. Further, you don't need X on a mail > > gateway. > > ... > > What is "SVGA-compatible" from driver's point of view? If your card is > > not supported by any of the SVGATextMode drivers, the only choice you > > have is VESA framebuffer. Which, again, requires a VESA2.0 compliant > > video card and I not sure whether ET4000 was a such one. > > > > MfG, > > Eduard. > > > > Mooi'n dag ok, Eduard, > > thanks for your hints, but (not to feed on any cheese of honour) my card > really is an ET4000_W32 and it works pretty sharp in "1024x768" mode; my > text mode "100x37x9_SVGA" works brilliant. (Perfect for 'mutt' with > "syntax on" in '/etc/vim/vimrc') > > Of course, changing graphical contents is a bit slow, but I would't do > without my higher resolution text mode. > > So I'd appreciate any information about identifying PCI-based graphic > cards being either SVGA-compatible or VESA2.0 compliant. SiS6326-based cards are cheap, are available in PCI format, and can be used with svgatextmode using my ClockProg. They're crap for games but fine for desktop stuff. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: how to set SETSERIAL values forever
On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 07:05:31AM -0800, Sebastia Altemir wrote: > Hi ! > I have fixed my winmodem problem by using > > setserial /dev/ttyS2 int 9 > > When machine restarts, that seting is lost. > > What file must I edit to have this value forever ? > > I am using LINEX (this is a Debian distro, with kernel 2.4.20) 3.0 /etc/serial.conf (see man setserial) -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: why is debian the only distribution that won't let me run X?
On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 04:26:50AM +0100, Wilko Fokken wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 02:53:11AM +0000, Pigeon wrote:
> >
> > SiS6326-based cards are cheap, are available in PCI format, and can be
> > used with svgatextmode using my ClockProg. They're crap for games but
> > fine for desktop stuff.
> >
>
> Thanks for your information, I'll try buying such a card.
>
> What is it about your 'ClockProg', can it's output be used as "Clocks"
> in '/etc/X11/XF86Config' ?
Its output goes directly to the registers in the video chip...
svgatextmode can handle everything it needs to on the 6326 apart from
changing the clock; fortunately its authors foresaw this situation and
incorporated the facility for svgatextmode to call an external program
to set the clock ('ClockProg' entry in /etc/TextConfig). So my program
accepts a clock frequency as a command line parameter and sets the
6326's registers appropriately.
X (at least 4.2 and above, haven't tried it with 4.1) already knows
about this chip and doesn't need help programming the clock. Also, the
clock can be set to any desired frequency so there's no need for a
"clocks" line in XF86Config for this card.
(You do however need one in /etc/TextConfig, because older SiS chips
did need one and svgatextmode doesn't know that the 6326 doesn't
without hacking the source... so you just make one up listing all the
frequencies you think you'll need.)
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Re: Insidious Spam/swen/Garbage
On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 08:08:22PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Mon, Oct 27, 2003 at 01:25:38PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > > Even if exim spoke SSL to the smarthost, the email would still be > > plaintext between there and the originator. At least, I think that's > > how it works. If you really want to hide the contents of your email, > > encrypt the actual message ... of course, that still doesn't hide the > > sender or recipient. > > So they know where it came from and is going to. Whoop-de-doo... ...sometimes that's as valuable as knowing the contents of the message... ask your friendly neighbourhood intelligence agency :-) -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Debian MSN clients can't connect
Having installed Debian on a mate's PC, his kids are complaining because they can't get onto MSN Messenger... The kids have given me a username eg. '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' and a password to go with it (an English word). I've tried these in gaim, kmerlin and everybuddy; none of them can connect and it doesn't look like it's because they've given me an invalid username/password. gaim (v0.58) is the least informative; when I try to connect, it responds very quickly with a dialog saying [EMAIL PROTECTED] has been signed off: Disconnected. From kmerlin 0.3.4-pre3 I get: Sending protocol Sending server policy (long pause, of a minute or more) Idle detection enabled: true Timer: 15 set connected to: false Call cancelConnect() (repeated indefinitely) From everybuddy-cvs (EveryBuddy v0.2.1beta7) (logged with 'everybuddy > logfile 2>&1') I get: Can't open contact file(/home/pigeon/.everybuddy/contacts) for reading: No such file or directory notes init Licq Contact List init ICQ99 Contact List init GnomeICU Contact List init Gaim Buddy List init SetProtocol: comparing VER 20 0 to VER 20 MSNP2 SetProtocol: comparing VER 21 0 to VER 21 MSNP2 SetProtocol: comparing VER 40 0 to VER 40 MSNP2 Unable to login to MSN Using esd sound MSN_Read(): "VER 20 0" --Meredydd MSN_Read(): "VER 21 0" --Meredydd MSN_Read(): "VER 40 0" --Meredydd and from everybuddy 0.4.3: Connect went fine Connected (pause) MSN: Error: Protocol negotiation failed Not found chatroom Closed connection with socket -1 Anybody got any ideas what's going on here / what to check? Also, anyone know how you obtain the username and password which these clients require to connect? I'm not 100% sure about the one the kids have given me; it does seem to be valid for logging in to hotmail but does that automatically make it valid for an MSN Messenger client? (I'm somewhat hampered by the fact that I hardly know what MSN Messenger *is* apart from being something I find totally uninteresting! :-) so have never bothered to try and get a Linux client going for it myself... no experience whatsoever!) -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian MSN clients can't connect
On Tue, Oct 28, 2003 at 11:51:03PM -0600, oskar nl wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > >-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > >Hash: SHA1 > > > >On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 04:51:16AM +, Pigeon wrote: > > > >>The kids have given me a username eg. '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' and a > >>password to go with it (an English word). I've tried these in gaim, > >>kmerlin and everybuddy; none of them can connect and it doesn't look > >>like it's because they've given me an invalid username/password. gaim > >>(v0.58) is the least informative; when I try to connect, it responds > >>very quickly with a dialog saying > > > > > >Kopete in KDE 3.2 gets the job done. > > The problems with the accounts, are 'cause newest protocol for the > messenger, That solution about kopete is good since, you want upgrade > all the dependencies, but if you wana get a BIG THANKS for the kids I > recomend, amsn 0.83, isn't part of Debian/Woody(I don't know sid, or > sarge), but is GNU, based on GTK+/Tcl/Tk, looks almost identacally, and > should not be a trouble for the kids. Many thanks for this - downloaded amsn and it worked straight away. The kids seem to be happy with it too. I've downloaded kopete and gaim0.71 as well but I've got to sort out some broken dependencies before I can try compiling them on woody. Cheers, -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: can't run X - permission denied
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 02:56:31PM -0800, Lars Jensen wrote: > Only root can run X windows and certain other programs on my machine. > I'm not sure whether I inadvertently changed something. This wasn't a > problem before. Other programs behave the same way, for example if I use > "which" as a user, the system responds: > > /usr/bin/which: /dev/null: Permission denied > /usr/bin/which: /dev/null: Permission denied > > I checked the permissions and thy are set to 755, i.e world executable > and readable. > > Any ideas how what this could be? /dev/null is supposed to be world readable and writable (rw-rw-rw-). Is it? -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Simple little basic config questions
On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 11:03:23AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 at 15:52 GMT, Kent West penned: > > I echo Colin's thought. Forget about "su" and use "sudo". It takes an > > extra 5 keystrokes per command, but it "just works", and in my opinion > > is better than forgetting you're root and doing something you don't > > want to do. > > > > apt-get install sudo visudo, add yourself a line similar to what's > > already there sudo command_to_be_run_as_root > > > > People keep talking about sudo like it's the cat's meow, and maybe for a > single-user system it is. But sudo documentation very explicitly warns > that, if you're not careful about what you allow, you could accidentally > allow access to far more than you expected. ...it seems like a good idea on a single-user machine to allow sudo dpkg -i... sudo dpkg -i make_bash_setuid_root.deb -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Has SWEN finally died?
On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 01:15:05PM -0500, Marc Shapiro wrote: > On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:39:05 -0700 Paul E Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >I'm getting one every 2 or 3 hrs. Down from ~5/hr three days ago. Theory: > >If you don't post to this list for many days, the infected machines > >which have your email address in their lists of targets gradually get > >disinfected, and your incoming swen gradually goes to zero. But, if you > >post, you run the > >risk of a new wave of swen. > > That is why all of my posting is now done through this hotmail account, > which I use for nothing else. So far, I have received no spam of any sort > through it. It is not ending up in the bulk mail box. It simply is not > coming in at all. Either no one (including SWEN) has found the box yet, or > hotmail is actually doing a proper job of filtering he mess. Could > MicroSquish actually have done something right, for a change? ...if the alternative is everyone saying "don't use hotmail, you'll get virused to @$#%" they probably have... their own mail service screwing up their own OS wouldn't look very good. I find swen to be highly variable; I got several hundred yesterday but only a few tens today. My gut feeling is that's just a blip on the curve. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Simple little basic config questions
On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 02:45:32PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 at 20:43 GMT, Pigeon penned: > > > > --PLVMksexArUZ/iL3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: > > quoted-printable > > > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 11:03:23AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > >> On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 at 15:52 GMT, Kent West penned: > >> > I echo Colin's thought. Forget about "su" and use "sudo". It takes > >> > an extra 5 keystrokes per command, but it "just works", and in my > >> > opinion is better than forgetting you're root and doing something > >> > you don't want to do. > >> >=20 apt-get install sudo visudo, add yourself a line similar to > >> >what's already there sudo command_to_be_run_as_root =20 > >>=20 People keep talking about sudo like it's the cat's meow, and maybe > >>for a single-user system it is. But sudo documentation very > >>explicitly warns that, if you're not careful about what you allow, you > >>could accidentally allow access to far more than you expected. > > > >=2E..it seems like a good idea on a single-user machine to allow sudo > >dpkg -i... sudo dpkg -i make_bash_setuid_root.deb > > > > I'm a bit confused ... you snipped out the part where I said that it's > probably fine for a single-user machine, then added your own comment to > that effect, and instructions for installing it ... Er, I left that bit in, then added an example to show how it may be little different from leaving root wide open if someone does get into your account... always a possibility if you're on the net. > For the record, I have it installed. But I still think that espousing > sudo as a panacea, without encouraging people to read the documentation > and understand the potential pitfalls, is not the right thing to do. Agreed. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn
On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 03:23:25PM +0100, Nicos Gollan wrote: > So what? They did indeed change a LOT. If you compare WinME to WinMX, see the > fact that MS plans to include an actually useful firewall and disable several > services (and of course you'll have to avoid IE and OE), the bottomline is a > lot of good for the customer. The customer won't have any money left, but > (s)he'll be happy. Linux will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no Linux... :-) -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn
On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 09:40:01PM +1300, cr wrote: > DOS - most of its (very necessary) improvements were written as little apps > by third-party developers (often copied from UNIX) and then copied by M$ Ah, nostalgia... I have quite a rosy memory of DOS 3.x being pretty easy to work with. I tend to forget that one of the first things I did under it was clone most of the useful command-line tools I missed from Unix, using Borland Turbo C, version 1.0... and my tools, unlike Microsoft's, took care to do disk I/O in multiples of the cluster size, which sped things up tremendously in those days. It's interesting that MS Word on the Macintosh (MacOS 6) beat the crap out of the contemporary MS Word for Windows... not only did it have more features, but they all worked, properly, reliably and consistently. The Windows version, by comparison, looked like an approximate clone knocked up by some backstreet cowboy outfit. Seems they can write good apps, but only under Apple's iron fist... > I suppose I could go all the way back to Edlin. I still use ed... -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Adding scsi devices ???
On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 10:53:14PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Michael, > > forgive me if I am just stating the obvious or if I should have missed > your point. > > > Last night, he added a SCSI cdrom and tape drive to the system. He > > insists that the AIC-7980 controller lists the devices during post. >^^^ > > What does the underlined expression mean? Are there some messages > indicating that the devices are recognised? Where from? Do the devices > work? What is the exact problem? Power On Self Test, ie. the SCSI card's BIOS is initialising and listing the devices on the bus during the "bit before the OS boots". > Assuming nothing works: > > I'll not cite what you have reported about messages, but the obvious > assumption seems - to me - that he does not have the right low level > driver either compiled in or as a module. The trouble with the stock > kernels is that they lack documentation about what is compiled in and > what is not (or am I wrong here?). > > It is neither entirely clear to me whether your SCSI controller > requires the same driver nor that it is _not_ compiled into your > kernel. It is only clear you don't have an aic7xxx module. > > The only remedy I could personally think of would be to compile a > kernel from scratch, with the correct driver (well, come to think of > it, I think it is principally possible to add a module only, but I > suppose you also need a kernel source tree to compile it. But if you > can get a binary module somewhere that is compiled for this kernel > version, I think it is possible to just load it.). Try modprobe aic7xxx - if it's there, it'll load it... > Or does anyone know how to get the .config files for the stock > kernels? Don't they end up in /boot? -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How can I stop the console from blanking
On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 08:39:09PM -0500, stan wrote: > I'm setting up a machine that will rum umatended, and print some > information on several console sessions. In testing, I find thta the > console blanks afyer some period of time, even if daya is being writtten to > it :-( > > How can I fix this? setterm -blank 0 -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian MSN clients can't connect
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 09:33:56PM -0600, Jacob S. wrote: > On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 23:24:21 + > Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I've downloaded kopete and gaim0.71 as well but I've got to sort out > > some broken dependencies before I can try compiling them on woody. > > > > Cheers, > > Gaim (as of .062 and newer, I believe) depends on gtk2, which makes it > hard to compile on Woody. > > With other programs I wanted to upgrade as well, I found it easier to > use apt pinning to grab some apps from unstable than compile my own. Thing is, when the app you want depends on a different version of libc6, it's a bit awkward... Got gaim to compile eventually, but it doesn't work properly: with a new user, it waits forever trying to download the buddy list - which doesn't exist yet of course; with an existing user, it says "You are not logged on with a protocol that allows you to chat"... guess their new MSN protocol needs a bit more work yet. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Microsoft good press over Longhorn
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 06:47:14PM +1300, cr wrote: > On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 08:43, Pigeon wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 31, 2003 at 09:40:01PM +1300, cr wrote: > > > I suppose I could go all the way back to Edlin. > > > > I still use ed... > > ed - is that the DOS full screen editor?Vastly superior to edlin, of > course. And it was simple, consistent and it worked. What more could one > want? ;) Nah, that was EDIT.COM - before that appeared I used to use the Turbo C editor to edit text files; I think the guys who wrote EDIT.COM did too. ed is /bin/ed - the *nix equivalent of Edlin... I use it for simple/repetitive edits (like sticking "> " at the beginning of each line of something I'm going to quote) and/or where I don't want to lose the context of what I'm working on by wiping out the contents of the screen opening a full screen editor. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How to test a hard disk?
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 03:57:18PM +0200, Mihalis I. Tsoukalos wrote: > Dear list, > I have the following question: > > I have an old hard disk that I want to check. > What can I do? man badblocks - use the non-destructive read-write test even if you don't care about destroying the data on the disk, as it sometimes catches errors that the destructive write test doesn't. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Can't install networking.
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 05:54:12AM -0800, Mark Healey wrote: > I should mention that I had to download this from Broadcom. I have a > CD with a source RPM and a .tar.gz. On an earlier attempt I tried to > compile it from source but after I expanded the .tar.gz I couldn't > extract resulting .tar. I'd run tar -x bcm4400-2.5.0.tar and nothing. > No disk activity, no expansion, I'd have to control-c out of the > program. That's because you missed out the f option: tar xf bcm4400-2.5.0.tar ... and you can include the expansion of the .gz in it as well: tar xzf bcm4400-2.5.0.tar.gz > I'm going to install once again from the "vanilla" CD since the module > doesn't seem to be compiled into the "bf2.4" one as I was told. Right. This won't get your Broadcom 4400 working though. None of the install kernels have support for it. However, you obviously do have some net access, to be posting on this list... Go ahead and install Debian, without worrying about getting the NIC working yet. Use the machine that you're posting from to go to http://packages.debian.org/testing/devel/kernel-source-2.4.22.html and download the .deb of kernel-source-2.4.22. Then install that, install make-kpkg, and build yourself a 2.4.22 kernel with support for the Broadcom. > Mark Healey > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Giving debian a chance. Good on you. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How can I stop the console from blanking
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 06:16:59AM -0500, Haines Brown wrote: > I put this following into ~/.bash_profile: > > # to get rid of blanking of console: > setterm -blank 0 > > but I was never able to find out were in /etc to put it for a global > effect rather than just in account configurations. # cat > /etc/init.d/noblank #!/bin/bash /usr/bin/setterm -blank 0 echo 'Console blanking disabled' ^D # chmod a+x /etc/init.d/noblank # ln -s /etc/init.d/noblank /etc/rc2.d/S99noblank (These blanking things would be rather more useful if they could be configured to blank after a certain time with no input *and no output*.) -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How can I stop the console from blanking
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 12:40:52PM -0500, Haines Brown wrote: > > --and pigeon, where do you suggest he place that command so that it > has global effect upon bootup? See my other post today... :-) -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [ot] Linux gender in French
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 06:08:46PM +0100, Christophe Courtois wrote: > Le Samedi 1 Novembre 2003 17:48, Wesley J Landaker a d?clam? : > > "Le Linux" is typically used as masculine, but I've seen it, less > > often, used as feminine, "la Linux". I'm not aware that it is > > "officially" anything, but to me as a French-speaker, it "feels" more > > like a masculine noun. > > (I'm French) I've never heard "La Linux". It is masculine as are > 'ordinateur' (computer) and 'syst?me d'exploitation' (OS). Aargh! So someone taught Microsoft French? :-) -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: How can I stop the console from blanking
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 02:03:13PM -0500, Haines Brown wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 06:16:59AM -0500, Haines Brown wrote: > > > I put this following into ~/.bash_profile: > > >=20 > > > # to get rid of blanking of console: > > > setterm -blank 0 > > >=20 > > > but I was never able to find out were in /etc to put it for a global > > > effect rather than just in account configurations. > > > > # cat > /etc/init.d/noblank > > #!/bin/bash > > /usr/bin/setterm -blank 0 > > echo 'Console blanking disabled' > > ^D > > # chmod a+x /etc/init.d/noblank > > # ln -s /etc/init.d/noblank /etc/rc2.d/S99noblank > > > > (These blanking things would be rather more useful if they could be > > configured to blank after a certain time with no input *and no output*.) > > Thanks, I see how that works (noblank needs to be executable), but > assumed there was some obvious script file checked during boot. I think that's what Red Hat does. Debian has a directory full of individual scripts for each operation, and other directories full of symlinks to call the relevant scripts at change of runlevel. I much prefer the Debian way... -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [ot] Linux gender in French
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 08:13:02PM -0500, David P James wrote: > On November 01, 2003 09:12, Rus Foster wrote: > > Hi All, > > Just trying to work out in French is Linux masculine or feminine? > > > > I'd say it's masculine for a couple of reasons. > > First, it just sounds better as "le Linux" compared to "la Linux". Hmmm... what exactly does the word "Linux" sound like in French? -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [ot] Linux gender in French
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 01:20:21AM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 03:26:35AM +0000, Pigeon wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 08:13:02PM -0500, David P James wrote: > > > On November 01, 2003 09:12, Rus Foster wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > Just trying to work out in French is Linux masculine or feminine? > > > > > > > > > > I'd say it's masculine for a couple of reasons. > > > > > > First, it just sounds better as "le Linux" compared to "la Linux". > > > > Hmmm... what exactly does the word "Linux" sound like in French? > > The Li is kind of like Lee, > the nux is kind of like nooks. > > In both cases it's a bit different, but that's as close as I can think > of. ...so basically like in English, but with standard French vowel sounds. OK, thanks! > I think it's pretty close to how Torvalds pronounces it. Well close > enough considering it's a whole 'nother language. There's an audio file out there somewhere of Linus saying "Linux"... must get it sometime! -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Can't install networking.
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 11:14:46PM -0600, Kent West wrote: > Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > >On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 12:06:21 -0800 (PST), > >"Mark Healey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > > >>On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 17:53:27 +, Pigeon wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Go ahead and install Debian, without worrying about getting the NIC > >>>working yet. Use the machine that you're posting from to go to > >>>http://packages.debian.org/testing/devel/kernel-source-2.4.22.html > >>>and download the .deb of kernel-source-2.4.22. Then install that, > >>>install make-kpkg, and build yourself a 2.4.22 kernel with support > >>>for the Broadcom. > >>> > >>> > >>I have no idea how to manualy install a kernel and adding extra stuff > >>to it means editing files I have no understanding of. I'm going to > >>stick with just trying to make a module. > >> > >> > > > >..no need: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/misc/kernel-package.html > > > >..instead of wasting time on tossing stuff into your deb in the un-deb > >way, click-n-read the the links we gave you. > > > > > > > But rather than grabbing the source and compiling his own, could he not > just grab the already compiled version (such as this one for the upper > Pentium archs: > http://packages.debian.org/testing/base/kernel-image-2.4-686.html) and > install it and get support for the nic. Much easier in my opinion than > rolling your own. I'm assuming he's installing woody, since he's installing from CDs; by building from source, you avoid having to install dependencies from testing. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: POP3 mail fetcher that supports unreliable connections?
On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 05:38:44AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: > On Sun, 2003-11-02 at 16:36, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > Is there a POP3 mail fetcher that wouldn't download messages twice > > when the POP3 connection may sometimes stall (so that the messages > > couldn't be deleted from the server)? > > > > If there is such a fetcher written in Perl based on Mail::POP3Client, > > this would be a good solution. > > Have you tried fetchmail? The messages in /var/log/mail.log seem > to indicate that it deletes each mail after a successful fetch. By default it doesn't delete them until you hang up; a connection failing may not be the equivalent of a proper hangup. You could try fetchmail -e 1 so it only fetches 1 email at a time then QUITs then goes back for the next one... but this is slow and nasty, see the man page. -- Pigeon Be kind to pigeons Get my GPG key here: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x21C61F7F pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
