Re: Explorer-type file manager
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 04:45:04AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 11:57:09AM -0500, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: > > However, applications built for either desktop environment can > > *typically* be run without *running* the desktop environment -- it just > > means you have more libraries installed, and some processes from the > > necessary DE may need to be started by the application in order to run > > (kdeinit, bonobo, etc.). > > That's correct. The only gotcha is kicker and panel proglets don't > work as expected, much like dock proglets for NeXTstep clones don't do > what's expected when not running a NeXT-ish WM. What is kicker? Proglets sounds like progress bar graphics shown in panel area. I am blackbox/flushbox user. Enlighten me for Nextstep things :-) Is there similar issues with GNOME/KDE? I do not know any other than configuration utilities. -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Drivers for Serverworks chipset
On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 02:25:58PM -0500, Neal Lippman wrote: > > I have on order a Dell server, which is based on the ServerWorks Grand > Champion SL chipset. > > I was wondering if anyone knows what drivers should be used with this > chipset, particularly the on-board 10/100/1000 ethernet? I expect there > is Linux support, because Dell offers RedHat installed (I didn't order > that, figuring I would just load up Woody once the machien arrives). I do not know the answer but did you check the output of "lspci" command or "less /proc/pci". Then you can identify drivers needed. The only occurance of ServerWorks is in /drivers/net/natsemi.c in Kernnel source. Good luck. -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mouse not working in GPM or X
On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 03:02:23PM -0500, Rowland Darbin wrote: > > I installed XFree86 -configure and it tells me that it can't find my mouse. > So I installed gpm. When gpm is running and I move around the mouse, I > don't get a curser, I get a white line on the top of the screen and a bunch > of new lines as if I kept hitting enter. I replaced the mouse with another > PS2 mouse and got the same result it is a MS IntelliMouse. I am using the > kernel that came with the default 1.44 floppy install v3.0. > > Any suggestions, questions, comments, or rude remarks would be very helpful. You need to think how mouse singnals should be handled in your system. Once strategy is laid down, all configuration files needs to be configured accordingly. There are so many ways to do it. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s3.3 -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Complaint
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 09:27:32AM -0600, Joseph A Nagy Jr wrote: > Craig Dickson wrote: > > >is a better solution than demanding that the rest of the world bend over > >backward for your defective software. > How am I asking the rest of the world to bend over backwards? > > *shrugs* Doesn't matter. I made my complaint, suggestions were made, I'm > happy with the outcome, even if it wasn't the one I wanted. Actually, it may not have been I am slightly confused about this thread. So excuse me if I am wrong. I CCed you since no Reply-to was not set to mail by you and to get extra attenstion :-) Who is BCCing you? Is this a real person on this list or a SPAMMER. I do get few strange BCC messages or bounce messages from SPAMMER. They harvest addresses from many places and send us a SPAM. Are you sure problematic mail was from a real person on this list? I have got few mails with known real DD's names but appeaarently it as spoofed. Some mails were Windows virii. I think Craig knows these facts of life and commented on you. (Am I reading in too much?) Osamu -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Laptop (PCMCIA) NIC Suggestions for Woody Stable
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 08:17:18AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I will be inheriting a used laptop in about a week, and I need to purchase a
> PCMCIA NIC for it. Any suggestions for one that will work well with Woody
> Stable? Thanks everyone!
If you are for 10 base T, any name brand card will do.
Is your PC CARDBUS compliant? If so look for CARDBUS version and 100
base T version.
Any name brand (US/TAIWAN,...) NIC works. Just do not get
NIC/MODEM combo or any combo NIC. Too much trouble.
Unless you get fancy GIGABIT ethernet card, any normal NIC should work.
Osamu
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Re: Chinese input
On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 11:42:01AM +0800, Robert Storey wrote: > On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 21:11:30 +0800 > Arne Goetje <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ xcinterm-big5 > xcin: error: C locale "zh_TW.Big5" is not supported by your system. > /usr/bin/crxvt -fm "taipei16" -fn "-sony-*-16-*-iso8859-1" -im "xcin" -bg black -fg > white -geometry +0+0 -T "rxvt Chinese terminal (xcin, zh_TW.Big5)" > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ /usr/bin/xcinterm-big5: /usr/bin/crxvt: No such file or > directory > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ xcinterm-gb > xcin: error: C locale "zh_CN.GB2312" is not supported by your system. > /usr/bin/crxvt -fm "hanzigb16fs" -fn "-sony-*-16-*-iso8859-1" -im > "xcin-zh_CN.GB2312" -bg black -fg white -geometry +0+0 -T "rxvt Chinese terminal > (xcin, zh_CN.GB2312)" > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ /usr/bin/xcinterm-gb: /usr/bin/crxvt: No such file or directory > > Not sure what else I need to do to get it working. I'd appreciate any insights you > can give. > Did you create locale from root? # dpkg-reconfigure locales -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: debian on laptop w/ limited ram/speed/HD
On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 10:05:05PM -0500, Matt Price wrote: > Hi everyone, > > A middle-aged (~4 years old -- so, not old, not new) laptop is about Join the club 40s :-) > to become available to me, and I'd like to install debian on it. > The system is an HP Omnibook A4100, > P-II 300 > 96 meg ram > 20 gig hard drive You have a fast machine with lots of memory and HDD as long as you stay in console. I say if you configure correctly, it is OK with X and compact applications. I use i486 DX2 50MHz 20MB-DRAM 2GB-HDD for my gateway where I can read and write mail OK with mutt/vim/fetchmail/procmail/exim combination. I run BIND/DHCP/... on it too. It takes 1 second to start "mc" screen but mutt is usable even from remote terminal. So as long as you use console, you are fine. > I'd like to take the machine on a month-long trip, where I'd use it > mostly for writing and checking email. My *preference* would be to > run: > -a minimal GUI If you insist on X, use blackbox or flashbox. They are small and fast WM. > -mutt, plus something to fetch my mail from a remote location mutt to read mail vim to edit mail fetchmail to get mail procmail to sort by header etc. > and... > -openoffice. That is big software. As long as you keep other staff small, it may be usable on X. Do not use too much color or virtual screen which eat memory. Keep daemon minimum. > sigh. I'm a bit concerned that openoffice can't feasibly be run in > such an environment; but I'm revising a book manuscript that was > originally written several years ago in Word, and I really, really, > really don't want to have to edit it in emacs or something. Just a thoughts. New Word can save document in XML or HTML. If you are reorganizing few contents, you may be able to get-by by saving document into these format and complete editing documents in text file. -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Setting hdparm parameters on boot
On Fri, Feb 28, 2003 at 11:59:32PM -0500, Jeff Elkins wrote: > On Friday 28 February 2003 11:29 pm, Donald Spoon wrote: > Did you make your "hdparm" script an executable shell script? > > No, I didn't and do I feel dumb :) > > Thanks for the heads-up and pointer to hwtools. FYI: hdparm used to be in hwtools package thus this init script skelton made sense. It is a bug to have this in that package. hdparm should have this kind of skelton init file. I filed bug long time ago :-) -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Howto auto unpack/read "README.Debian.gz" ?
On Sun, Mar 02, 2003 at 09:52:41AM -0800, Cam Ellison wrote: > * Joao Pedro Clemente ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > > AS I've seen some of these files after installing some packages, as since > > they are not unpacked by apt-get, I am wondering if there isn't a "smart" > > way of reading this instead of unpacking first... > > > I use Midnight Commander for this (and a lot of other things). It > automatically un-(b)zips on the fly. If you want to print or copy, > that's another matter. Midnight Commander rules :-) -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Firewalling under Debian
Hi, On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 12:11:12AM +1100, bob parker wrote: > My son's proposed network is to be this: > > Firewall / NAT / Gateway machine connected to cable using 1 nic. > Connects to hardware router / switch using 2nd nic. > He has the switch and will be buying a PIII 400 2nd hand for the fw. > We both know it's overkill but spares for PIIIs are cheaper than earlier > models apparently. external IP 192.168.1.1 Internet -- eth0 - Firewall - eth1 -[switch] PC (DEBIAN)\ Many machines > Switch connects to 2 * dual boot Mdk/Win XP machines and 1 network printer. Yes. Your son is smart. :-) Listen to him. > The fw machine is to run Debian with 2.4 kernel and iptables. with ipmasq package and stronger script installed from /usr/sgare/doc/ipmasq. > My question is, what is the best way to go about setting up the Debian fw > machine? > > I have the 7 cds for 3.0r1. You have too much. First CD was enough. Also read my document below. It has some firewall thingy too. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Hardware] dual-nic MB for firewall box.
On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 04:10:52PM -0800, Bill Moseley wrote: > Anyone built up a small firewall/mail machine lately? > > I'm looking for a motherboard replacement for a firewall machine on a > small lan. I'd like to go all on-board for simplicity and cost, so > on-board video, and dual nics (but I'm open to other suggestions). > Something the bf2.4-xfs net install CD will work with. > > Via C3 would be good. I'm going to try to make the machine somewhat > silent, so the C3 would be nice. But for this machine CPU power is not > critical, although it may run an imap server. Is this for work or home. The quietest will be to get old note-PC with 2 PCMCIA slots or one nic on main body. (few hundred $$ or free from your friend) That way you have UPS build in :-) I use i486 50MHz which is good enough for home use. -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Patched sendmail? testing?
On Tue, Mar 04, 2003 at 04:05:37PM -0500, stan wrote: > Moving target or not, I think 200+ day uptimes ina 24x7 production > environment say something about teh :stability" of the testing release. > Therfore it appears to me to be the best choice for a production machine, > assumng that you need anything like current software packages (such as perl > modules). Therefore it _should_ be scure! Stan, who are you and why you make such a demand? Did you donated $100,000,000 to SPI or Debian to dedicate 100 full time workers employed for you to be satisfied? Instead of flaming us, would you like to send a patch for it? Really, if fixed version is available in unstable, just compile it yourself. testing are for testing. I think once GCC issues get resolved, things will move. Priorities of testing security fixes are low and there are much more things to fix before warring it. So relax. Use stable or take care them by your self. No one get paid by you to maintain your box the way you want it. Osamu PS: I am anxious to see testing getting new softwares from unstable. And I think flavor discussion in debian-vote seems very exciting thing for me. -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: usb-kb
On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 04:25:16PM -0800, Mark Kalusha wrote: > I just installed Potato (r6 from CD) on my home built > box (SOYO Dragon KT-333 MOBO). > > I installed win98SE, w2kp and XP Pro (in that order) > before installing Potato. > > During the install a borrowed s PS/2 keyboard from a > friend because my USB keyboard would not work during > installation. I made sure to include all the usb > modules (for my peripherals) in the kernel compilation > portion of the install. > > After completing the install and rebooting my USB > keyboard worked fine in Potato and MS. NOW it has > stopped working and I can not figure out why or how to > get it working again. Please help. In latest stable (woody), hotplug package is usually used for USB system. Do you have it installed? Anyway, potato is really old. Upgrade to woody if you have fasst internet connection. Anyway, check 2.4 kernel back ports if you have to stay in potato. -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: howto verify burn?
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 11:03:28AM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote: > bob parker wrote: > > > On Thu, 6 Mar 2003 04:22, Ray wrote: > > > how do i verify that the burned cd is correctly burned? > > > > > > i burned a set of Debian 3.0r1 cds and have md5sums of the isos, but they > > > don't match the output of > > > md5sum -b /dev/cdrom > > > > Not really an expert on what happens on cds but I belive it has something to > > do with the some extra nulls packing it out to the end of a 2048 block or > > something like that. > > > > In any case the actual cd generally has a different md5sum than the iso. > > > > One way: > > cat /dev/cdrom > test.iso > > md5sum test.iso > > md5sum original.iso Yes they are different :-) > Isn't > >md5sum /dev/cdrom > > equivalent to > >cat /dev/cdrom >test.iso >md5sum test.iso > I think so. But there are junk sectors added when creating data on CD. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tune.en.html#s9.3.7 So read exact # of sectors back to harddisk. Run MD5 or cmp :-) -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USB device detection problem
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 09:02:41AM -0800, Jack Pistachio wrote: > After either rebooting from windoze to linux, or even with > a complete shutdown/poweroff, my two usb mass-storage > devices aren't detected unless I boot Linux twice! Loading > and unloading modules doesn't help. > Everything USB works fine in linux afterwards (and > beforewards). There are no error messages, just a lack of > device detection messages. /proc/bus/usb/devices won't > show the drives when this happens, but all USB ports are > detected. > ctl-alt-del as bios is scanning for a bootable floppy does > the trick, but a better solution should definately be had. On Linux ACPI/USB seems to be evolving fast and seems to have gliches. If I have mu mouse on USB, my boot fails :-( Second booting, I remember, fixed it. I deal this by plugging mouse later. I have hotplug package installed. Try booting without drive and plug in later. IMHO, USB/ACPI/Firewire are still flaky even on 2.4. I ever bothered to patch with latest patches. It seems there are enough fixes going on... New hardwares are always bitch on Linux. -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The Very Verbose Guide to Updating and Compiling Your Debian Kernel
On Wed, Mar 05, 2003 at 02:13:24PM -0800, Vineet Kumar wrote: > * Daniel Farnsworth Teichert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [20030305 12:23 PST]: > > (Note that the above requires that root has access to your X > > display, because it uses 'xconfig'. Now, this is probably going > > to show you how clue-less I am, but one simple way I do this on > > occasion is by 'ssh -X [EMAIL PROTECTED]' to become root for the > > above; go ahead, tell me it's silly--I know : ). > > Actually, you get a big round of applause. ssh -X [EMAIL PROTECTED] is a > fine way to go. When you started to say clueless I was preparing myself should have been "is one way" > for another "why nobody should ever use xhost, ever" rant coming on, but > you've done things the^H^H^H^H a good way =) ssh is cpu bandwidth eater for no reason other than short typing. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tune.en.html#s-ss-xsu > > Anyway, like I have already implied, I'm no expert here--but I > > thought this was more along the Debian lines. As the other said, fakeroot is the ticket :-) -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: must.. surpress ... murderous rage.... (simple boot floppy qveshtion)
Hi, On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 12:57:08PM -0500, Don Hayward wrote: > On Thu, 6 Mar 2003, Victor Stan wrote: > > > Here is what I get if I do mkboot, a lost and found folder and a vmlinuz > > file. I tried this before, it doesn't work, but in the man it says something > > about if lilo is in use it des something with lilo??? I don't want anything > > but a simple straightforward way to make a simple straightforward boot disk > > that is all. > > Something I used to do -- haven't done it lately -- but it used to work. > > cp /vmlinuz /dev/fd0 I lost original poster's post but if he is trying to boot his installed system without his lilo and/or boot floppies/CDs, he can still boot his system using the Debian instal floppy disks. Just type "rescue root=/dev/hda6" or so at the boot prompt. Here hda6 is your root partition. Osamu -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: howto verify burn?
On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 02:55:34PM -0500, Narins, Josh wrote: > > > From: bob parker, Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 11:10 AM > > On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 03:16, Brad wrote: > > > See this post for more detail on this subject: > > > > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200211/ > > msg03076.html > > > > > > -Brad > > > > > Checked it out. From the posts it is still inconclusive. > > So far as jigdo is concerned I have the isos and the md5sums > > all match the > > source. This is about verifying the burnt cdr. > > > > So far, the only reliable technique I have been able to find > > is to do it file > > by file. > > > > That is easy if you have no subdirectories on the cdr, but > > gets a little > > messy if you do, the files have to be piped to md5sum from > > find and xargs. > > > > Example: > > find /cdrom1/ -type f -print | xargs md5sum | cut -d ' ' -f 1 > > | sort > sumscdr > > > > mount whatever.iso -r -t iso9660 -o loop /mnt > > > > ind /mnt/ -type f -print | xargs md5sum | cut -d ' ' -f 1 | > > sort > sumsiso > > > > diff sumsiso sumscdr > > > > Not sure if the sort step is really needed. That is over kill. Why make life complicated :-) Check my post. > I'm confused, Bob. > > If you copy the ISO from the CD-R to your hard drive, and do an md5sum on > it, and it matches the original ISO's md5sum, you just can't have two files > that are different, unless they are different in miraculously md5sum > balancing ways. http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200303/msg00777.html There are junk sectors added when creating data on CD. Just skip them by knowing exact number. It is all written in: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tune.en.html#s9.3.7 -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Partition Magic-like S/W for Knoppix/Debian
On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 03:04:13AM -0500, Abdul Latip wrote: > Second, I am wondering if there exists a "PARTITION > MAGIC"-like software in Debian (better than fips?). > How easy is it to split a VFAT/ You-Know-What-Os > partition on the fly. Use Mandrake GNU/Linux installation CD :-) Mandrake Linux release 9.0 (dolphin) for i586 It has a nice GUI partitioning tool. (I guess the backend is partd). Also you may install it too. You can always run few distributions together under chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters has the nice tip for chroot. I have chrooted Mandrake on my Debian here. Cheers. -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ +++++ Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: allow root login when using gdm
On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 09:58:07PM -0600, Damian Slavek wrote: > I'm running Woody and using gdm for logins. What do I have to change > in order to allow root to login? The machine boots directly to X. > > I'm not new to linux, just Debian. RedHat was starting to scare me. Then you should avoid running X server as root. What the other poster suggested to enable root logon should work. But think twice. Debian usually has reason why these "featues" are off --- security risks. So what is the better way? Run X client as root while runing X server as non-previleged normal user. Then how to gain root. Use "su" and few tricks. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tune.en.html#s-ss-xsu Cheers :-) -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: howto verify burn?
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 01:01:03AM +1100, bob parker wrote: > On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 10:12, Levi Waldron wrote: > > On March 7, 2003 10:51 am, bob parker wrote: > > > That is easy if you have no subdirectories on the cdr, but gets a little > > > messy if you do, the files have to be piped to md5sum from find and > > > xargs. > > > > Hm? Why wouldn't you just check each file individually by: > > > > mount /cdrom > > md5sum -c /cdrom/md5sum.txt > > > Because I'm not trying to burn a Debian cd, it's Knoppix in this case My post on this thread needs few errata: 1. CD image size can be obtained by "mount" the CD and run "df". 2. Only "readcd" run with nexact CD size can extract the correct image 3. "dd" tends to copy most data correct but losews last few KB of data. I will fix "Debian Reference" accordingly. Thanks bob reminding me problem :-) -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"dd" to read CD-ROM and its effects (Re: howto verify burn?)
On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 12:57:11PM -0700, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Osamu Aoki wrote:
> > My post on this thread needs few errata:
> > 1. CD image size can be obtained by "mount" the CD and run "df".
>
> Interesting. Thanks for educating us about that.
>
> > 2. Only "readcd" run with exact CD size can extract the correct image
> > 3. "dd" tends to copy most data correct but loses last few KiB of data.
>
> I have been reading this thread with great interest because I had
> determined the following behavior.
>
> cdrecord image-in.iso
> dd if=/dev/cdrw of=image-out-cdrw.iso # works
> cmp image-in.iso image-out-cdrw.iso # passes
>
> dd if=/dev/cdrom of=image-out-cdrom.iso # reports errors on last few kb
> cmp image-in.iso image-outcdrom.iso # fails
Are you sure this is really just HW difference? See below.
> The images compare exactly when being read from the cdrw drive. But
> if I move the CD out of the writer that was used to write the image
> and put it in a different CD reader only, not a writer, then the
> repeat the dd then the image I retrieve is different and fails
> compare. The last few kb of data is missing. The dd reports an I/O
> error when trying to read those bytes on a cd reader only device. It
> was fine on a cd writer device.
...
OK, this prompted me to do more research. It looks somewhat complicated
and it may be somewhat firmware dependent error handling issues
involved. "cdtest" is a simple script shown below and "dd" is showing
different result once error occurs. This memory effect erases once CD
are ejected.
---[cdtest script]---
#!/bin/sh
dd if=/dev/cdrom of=sarge-${1}-$((${1}/2048)) bs=2048 count=$((${1}/2048))
ls -l sarge-${1}-$((${1}/2048))
---
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:root# cdtest $((46301184))
dd: reading `/dev/cdrom': Input/output error
22564+0 records in
22564+0 records out
46211072 bytes transferred in 48.380704 seconds (955155 bytes/sec)
-rw-r--r--1 root root 46211072 Mar 9 16:54 sarge-46301184-22608
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:root# cdtest $((46301184))
22608+0 records in
22608+0 records out
46301184 bytes transferred in 53.311948 seconds (868495 bytes/sec)
-rw-r--r--1 root root 46301184 Mar 9 16:55 sarge-46301184-22608
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:root# dd if=/dev/cdrom of=sarge-free-2ndhand
90436+0 records in
90436+0 records out
46303232 bytes transferred in 43.151651 seconds (1073035 bytes/sec)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:root# dd if=sarge-free-2ndhand of=sarge-free-46301184 bs=46301184
count=1
1+0 records in
1+0 records out
46301184 bytes transferred in 0.295885 seconds (156483718 bytes/sec)
(... few more error free run of cdtest)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:root# ls -l sarge*
-rw-r--r--1 root root 46301184 Mar 9 16:55 sarge-46301184-22608
-rw-r--r--1 root root 46301184 Mar 9 16:49 sarge-46302208-22608
-rw-r--r--1 root root 46303232 Mar 9 16:47 sarge-46303232-22609
-rw-r--r--1 root root 46303232 Mar 9 16:52 sarge-46401184-22656
-rw-r--r--1 root root 46303232 Mar 9 17:00 sarge-free-2ndhand
-rw-r--r--1 root root 46301184 Mar 9 17:10 sarge-free-46301184
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:root# for xx in sarge* ; do cat $xx | md5sum ; done
65a9e488ddc9a9453685ca496af6e242 -
65a9e488ddc9a9453685ca496af6e242 -
da940de4ad9a634b72e7c899322fd8a3 -
da940de4ad9a634b72e7c899322fd8a3 -
da940de4ad9a634b72e7c899322fd8a3 -
65a9e488ddc9a9453685ca496af6e242 -
As you can see, once error free "dd" are established, "dd" return
correct data with some (2048 for my drive but I think this should be HW
dependent.)
When "dd" errors, the data size seems significantly smaller. May be it
drops entire data cache (either firmware level or Linux block read
level, I have no idea.).
So now I know, dd can be used to read image correctly once after CD are
read with error and never ejected. Interesting.
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more on 1 liner perl/awk
Hi, It was fun reading s thead :-)
On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 04:02:47AM +0900, Youichi Mano wrote:
> I want to extract the lines of which the specified column is matched
> by command line programs(grep,cut,wc,...) not any script file.
So here is similar one liners but ...
awk '{ print $3 }'# extract third field separated by space
awk -F'\t' '{ print $3 }' # extract third field separated by tab
awk -F'\t' '($3=="111")'
perl -ne 'print if (split('\t'))[2]==111'
# extract lines where third field is "111" separated by tab
awk '($2=="1957") { print $3 }'
# extract third field where the second field is "1957"
For the last awk, I can not do the same with perl one liner.
I will add these to "Debian Reference", Chapter 8, tips.
Any one?
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Re: more on 1 liner perl/awk
Hi, (back to list)
On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 12:25:18AM -0800, Alvin Oga wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Mar 2003, Osamu Aoki wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 11:37:00PM -0800, Alvin Oga wrote:
> > > i say its ( a wild guess )
> > >
> > > perl -ne 'print (split('\t'))[2] if (split('\t'))[1]==1957' ;
> >
> > That was my wild guess too and booo No good.
>
> hummm...
>
> we can cheat ???
>
> perl -ne ' @f=split(\t) ; print $f[2] if ( $f[1]==1957) ' ;
>
> with the proper end/start and escape chars
> ( i've never combined 2 perl instruc in the same command line )
Another guy replied with
perl -ne 'if ((my @fields = split)[1] eq "1957") { print "$fields[2]\n" }'
I tested all:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:osamu$ perl -ne 'if ((my @f = split)[1] eq "1957") { print "$f[2]\n"
}' < mat.txt
111
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:osamu$ perl -ne '@f = split; if ($f[1] eq "1957") { print "$f[2]\n"
}' < mat.txt
111
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:osamu$ perl -ne 'if ((@f = split)[1] eq "1957") { print "$f[2]\n" }'
< mat.txt
111
For 1 liner, I guess local variable does not make much difference. So
the last one is shortest.
Does anyone else has shorter trick?
I like Alvin's since easier to read by having one more character at this
moment.
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Re: Installing Intel compiler RPMs on Debian
Yes Bob is right. Let me add few words for quick and sure cure :-) On Sun, Mar 09, 2003 at 01:27:38PM -0700, Bob Proulx wrote: > Nathan Poznick wrote: > > > >error: cannot open Packages index using db3 - No such file or directory (2) > > > > Actually, this error is usually due to the RPM database not being > > initialized. As root, do an > > > > rpm --initdb > > > > And you shouldn't get that message anymore. However, it is probably > > best to simply use alien to convert the RPMs into debian packages. > > No, no, NO! Initializing the rpm database like that will only allow > you to experience dependency nightmares and possibly break your > system. Please do not recommend this method to other people. It can > only hurt them. > > Man with one watch knows what time it is. Man with two watches is > never really sure. Try to rpm install package A. Package A depends > upon glibc which is not installed by rpm. (It is installed, but rpm > does not know about it.) So you install it by rpm. If you keep that > up you will have two completely confused package managers and one > really broken system. > > In general the right answer is to convert the rpm package using alien > to a deb package and install the deb package. Unfortunately the alien > in 'woody' 'stable' has a couple of conversion bugs. The one from > 'sid' 'unstable' has those fixed. I recommend the alien from unstable > at this time. > > [In the case of the Intel compiler this won't work because their > packages are completely wacked. They use an external installer shell > script around the rpm installer. They use rpm only as a tar-like file > carrier and then munge the files after rpm install using their > installer shell script. Even on an rpm based system the installation > won't verify after an install. They are horrible! I am going to > answer the problem of the Intel compiler in another response. And > remember, that compiler is not free[1] software and therefore is > definitely not part of the Debian project.] > > When or if people talk to vendors of rpm packages please push them > toward the LSB[2]. LSB compliant packages will install with little > effort on Debian systems using alien. > > Then push that vendor to supply packages in the format that their > users are using. You are using Debian therefore ask them to supply > Debian packages directly. In the mean time, if Charlie Zender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> needs immediate needs to use Intel compiler, make a minimum install of "RH" system into a empty partition and install it there. Then reboot system back to Debian, of course, and mount "RH" partition to somewhere. Start chroot "RH" console using similar trick used by Colin Walters. http://people.debian.org/~walters Then you have Debian stablikity with access to RH system. Do not run bother to run X from RH which may eat too much memory of having 2 X. More on chroot: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot This way, system is very safe without RH daemon with no compatibility issues on user space console program. > Bob > > [1] http://www.debian.org/intro/free > > [2] http://www.linuxbase.org/ -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: wtf? (long and frustrated)
Hi, I understand the feeling of the original poster. My condolences. Debian is not *yet* known for its ease of install nor painless hardware detection. It will be better once d-i is done for Sarge :-) But Debian is the best once you start upgrading it after you set your system right. It will respect your configuration and will not wipe it. On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 02:02:21PM -0600, Kent West wrote: > Glenn English wrote: > > >There ought to be a list for Debian wannabes. I've tried several times > >to get woody going on a couple different boxen - most recently a Dell > >Latitude laptop. It is here or debian-laptop (something like this) . Also read user references listed in http://www.debian.org/doc including my: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ Oh, you should read every lines of installmanual: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual > >Console is fine; X, of course, has been the problem (I haven't even > >looked at the PCMCIA Ethernet and wireless cards yet). > > > >When the installer says, "Have fun," and reboots, the screen blinks a > >couple times, and a curses dialog box comes up saying it can't run X, > >telling me why, and offering to run the X configuration program - that's > >cool. I say, "Yes," and a program starts - IN X!!! I think some inexpensive IBM and DELL use shared memory video cards. (Intel i810?) Shared memory graphics card are bitch. (FB or not, ... etc.) This is a kernel problem. You need newer X to address some issues to assign decent memory size for the graphics. (Post Woody version needed). Problem is Sarge should be in a very unstable state due to GCC transition for a while from few days ago. Do not listen to the old post on stability of testing system a month ago. That's history. See Debian RM aj's recent posting. > The X-based configuration is probably only running in VGA mode. When > you're trying to configure X, you're probably telling the system you > have greater than VGA capabilities. > > It sounds like you're running XFree86 3.x; I think upgrading to 4.x > would be of benefit to you. Of course, the easiest way to do that is to > leave Woody behind and go for Sid or Testing. I run Sid on my > workstations (Stable/Woody on servers); every once in a while a problem > comes up that takes a couple of weeks to get ironed out, but those > instances are rare, and seldom catastrophic, so I find Sid perfectly > suitable for workstation use. Hey, slow down Kent :-) Your statement is true for you and me but that does not make a good generic suggestion to a person asking X configuration issues here. As others said, best recommendation is stick with STABLE (Woody). In Woody, I also know XFREE 3 is rock solid but XFREE 4 has some rough edges. So running XFREE3 is fine. (For example some old ATI cards.) > This way you get the newer stuff, like X 4. If Intel i810 chip set is used, I heard it may be a good idea to choose newer XFREE 4.2 packages. (This means you need package from testing/unstable, despite what I said). > >Is there some FM or FAQ I've missed? Is there a CI program on Debian to > >configure X? Or is vi /etc/X11/XF86Config it? > > > > > xf86config > XF86Setup (I believe . . . it's been so-o-o long since I ran XFree86 3.x) > manually tweak XF86Config > maybe dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, but I think this is a version 4 > thing Anyway, for laptop shared memory graphics system, you need to google information on how to install X with or without frame-buffer kernel support. I forgot which way, but there are plenty info out there. Sorry, but this is the state of Debian Hardware support. One way to install Debian may be install other distribution first and play chroot trick to migrate like Karsten's old post. Read followings for more: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/debian-user-200204/msg01010.html Also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Apt-get, downloading a single package
On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 05:31:39PM -0500, Radek Zajkowski [Deb] wrote:
> What would like a command to apt-get look like if I wanted to download a
> single package.
Normally this is good enough:
# apt-get -d install some-package
If really want to download a package, do it with "wget" or any console
based web browsers. packages are under pool. Read Debian FAQ for
details of the Debian archive.
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Re: [newbie] Setting up network
On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 12:32:27AM +0200, Aryan Ameri wrote: > Hi there: > > Untill now, I only got online using a dial up connection. Now i am going to > dormitory, and in order to get online I have to connect to my dormitory's > LAN. I can setup the network using the following two commands: > > ifconfig eth0 my.ip.add.ress up > route add default gw my.gw.ip.address > > but it is so frustrating to issue these commands whenever I reboot my > computer. I know there are ways to automate this proccess and there are > progrms which setup the network on each boot. But I am not able to find out > how. Can anyone please help? Edit: /etc/network/interfaces Mine on my lan: # /etc/network/interfaces -- configuration file for ifup(8), ifdown(8) # The loopback interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback # The first network card - this entry was created during the Debian installation # (network, broadcast and gateway are optional) auto eth0 iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.1.2 netmask 255.255.255.0 network 192.168.1.0 broadcast 192.168.1.255 gateway 192.168.1.1 -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Installing Intel compiler RPMs on Debian
On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 03:48:45PM -0800, Charlie Zender wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Wow. The help people are sending is incredible! This is the first
> message I've posted to Debian User since I switched to Debian
> a few weeks ago. I havn't needed to post anything else because it
> just works, but these Intel compilers are a real challenge.
>
> 1. I tried "alien"'ing the RPMS and then manually changing INSTALL_DIR
> in the scripts. This did not work for me. YMMV.
> 2. Creating a new partition with RedHat just for this is the software
> equivalent of building a second Taj Mahal because your wife does not
> like the color of the first one.
Well HD is cheap. 500MB - 1GB for hassle free access is needed, this s
the only way guaranteed.
> 3. I asked Intel if they would supply Debian-compatible compilers
> to their customers. FYI, their rather helpful reply is below. Basically
> they seem to be saying that I can do a manual install along the lines
> of what I tried but using rpm2cpio instead of alien. Maybe this will
> work better, I have not tried it yet.
See below along this trick. Dependencies to other libraries will be a
bitch but if you wish...
> 4. If anyone has a working solution, please let me know how you did it.
> 5. I am using debian unstable, so it does not have to run on woody.
OK,
One more try on 3rd option :-)
Open RPM with "mc" and copy files to where ever you think should go.
Here "mc" is midnight commander. Unstable got new version, so it may be
rough edged but I think testing is still old one.
I know this is totally manual and stupid, but it should work if package
dependencies does not bite you. ("mc" runs rpm2cpio inside but does it
transparently for you.)
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Re: LAPTOPS
On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 02:16:16PM -0900, Greg Madden wrote: > On Monday 10 March 2003 11:32 am, james leclair wrote: > > Hello, you guys have been very helpful in the past so heres another one > > for yus! > > I'm about to take the plunge and pick up a laptop. My first laptop in a > > number of years. > > So, what, if any, suggestions comments or what have you might the experts > > suggest I consider > > when making my decision on a brand of craptop? > > Thanks in advance, > > James, > > > > > > "An extraterrestrial being, newly arrived on Earth-scrutinizing what we > > mainly present to our children in television, radio, movies, newspapers, > > magazines, the comics, and many books-might easily conclude that we are > > intent on teaching them murder, rape, cruelty, superstition, credulity > > and consumerism." > > I researchd this awhile back, bought two. Most laptops work with Debian, the > modem issue is an exception. What I have issues with is ACPI support, I > haven't gotten it to work on my Sony Vaio. This is an issue if battery life > is important to what you are doing. I use mine plugged in so I have the > luxury of procratination in dealing with ACPI. It is not "DEBIAN" problem. It seems kernel problem to me. (I am vaio user with huge UXGA one and small 505 docking one) > I do like my Sony VAIo though, I got the Athlon mobile with VIA chipset, > well supported in GNU/Linux. You have different one. Osamu -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Apache encoding
Hi, If I put my wifes web page (created by Excel) on my ISP, it displays Japanese. But if I put it on my Debian apache, Encoding is not recognized by the browser. Here is my header of web page: What did I do wrong. Looks like my server configuration issue. Osamu -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: howto verify burn?
On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 11:38:21PM -0700, al davis wrote: > > > On Thu, 6 Mar 2003 04:22, Ray wrote: > > >?how do i verify that the burned cd is correctly burned? > > > > > >?i burned a set of Debian 3.0r1 cds and have md5sums of the > > > isos, but they don't match the output of > > >?md5sum -b /dev/cdrom > > In my experience, the actual burn is often a little longer > than the .iso it comes from. It is padded with something that > might as well be garbage. > > If you only read the first N bytes, where N is the length of > the .iso you used, it should work. > > How about > head --bytes=426893452 /dev/cdrom | md5sum Yes. It should work if you can read it all. My post on this thread verified same thing using "dd" command. Problem is that Linux errors when it encounters end of burn and drops chunk of data causing lost tail end. See more on the other post. -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [off topic] Learning Shell from an old UNIX book
On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 05:41:46PM +0200, Aryan Ameri wrote: > 1 ) Can this book be beneficial for me? or is it so obsolete that it is not > useful anymore? Certainly if you use it and the contents does not bore you :-) > The book shows examples for all of these tree shells. Therefore I wonder > 2 ) Bash is more similar to which one of these Shells? Korn Bourne or C ? If I over simplify, BASH has all Bourne shell things and most Korn shell features. Following are rough guide lines and you need to check minor differences yourself. BASH also had added some c-shell features added too. Bourne shell --+--+--> BASH \> Korn Shell.../ / / .. C-Shell...: C-SHELL is different but SH/BASH/KSH/ZSH are all Bourne shell families :-) BASH accepts some C-SHELLism such as "if [ x == y ] ;" while real bourne shell suppose to accept only "if [ x = y ] ;" > 3) What things shall I keep in mind when reading example programs. Do commands > on Korn, Bourne and C, usually work on Bash? Or is Bash using a completely > different syntax? Many commands in C-SHELL do not work on BASH. If you want C-SHELL on Debian, install "tcsh" package. (Oh, now Debian also has OPenBSD "csh" package too.) Bourne shell command should work on BASH (or ASH or DASH if you want strict Bourne shell limitation.) BASH is superset of Bourne shell. Most modern style Korn shell commands should work on BASH but if you really want KSH on Debian, "pdksh" package should give you one. Learning differences of these shells may be quite educational. Have fun. -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: more on 1 liner perl/awk
Colin, you are the king. On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 09:18:05PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 12:26:47PM -0800, Osamu Aoki wrote: > > Another guy replied with > (All of this is untested.) Here is my test results. > Well, you can clearly save some keystrokes by using a postfix statement > modifier rather than a block: > > perl -ne 'print "$f[2]\n" if (@f = split)[1] eq "1957"' < mat.txt Good. > You can simplify the print using the -l switch: > > perl -lne 'print $f[2] if (@f = split)[1] eq "1957"' < mat.txt Good. > Then you could use -a to do the split for you (use -F'\t' as well if the > default behaviour of splitting on whitespace is too loose for you): > > perl -lane 'print $F[2] if $F[1] eq "1957"' < mat.txt Good. > Then there are the usual tricks of eliminating whitespace and so on. In > fact, all the whitespace in the arguments to perl in the line above can > be removed if you feel so inclined: > > perl -lane'print$F[2]if$F[1]eq"1957"' < mat.txt Darn. This is good too. > Shorter solutions may be possible. > > Google for "Perl Golf" if you're interested in this kind of thing: the > art of solving problems in the fewest (key)strokes. http://perlgolf.sourceforge.net/ Amazing :-) -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Get in Trouble Now
On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 10:52:12PM -0800, Brian Nelson wrote: > "Mark L. Kahnt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Fri, 2003-03-07 at 11:28, David Z Maze wrote: > >> arief_mulya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> > >> > But I do notice that gdm is back to the gnome1.4 version. And the font > >> > become very ugly. > >> > >> The gdm is sid is the GNOME 1.4 gdm; I don't think the GNOME 2.x gdm > >> is there at all. (Not entirely sure why, though.) There are a few > >> bugs against the gdm package already requesting gdm2 (147637, 155638, > >> 169226). > > > > I've heard a couple times that the reason that gdm2 is not in Sid is > > that it doesn't as yet build on all platforms. Remember, to be available > > in the pools, a package generally needs to be available for all > > platforms Debian supports - that is why some packages are available in > > unofficial ports - not all platforms are available there. These sources are: Architecture: any > Not true. There are some packages that are architecture-specific, like > plex86 or yaboot for example. These are Architecture: i386 Architecture: powerpc So, Brian, this is not good example against above, though. I do not know about real story but ... 1. "unstable" is candidate for "testing" 2. to become "testing", it has to compile for all "Architecture"s. 3. plex86 and yaboot does compile for all "Architecture"s since they are not "any". That's my observation I am not quite sure. -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Get in Trouble Now
On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 11:22:35AM +, Colin Watson wrote: > On Wed, Mar 12, 2003 at 12:44:40AM -0800, Osamu Aoki wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 10:52:12PM -0800, Brian Nelson wrote: > > > "Mark L. Kahnt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > I've heard a couple times that the reason that gdm2 is not in Sid is > > > > that it doesn't as yet build on all platforms. Remember, to be available > > > > in the pools, a package generally needs to be available for all > > > > platforms Debian supports - that is why some packages are available in > > > > unofficial ports - not all platforms are available there. > > This is rarely a reason for a package not to be in unstable. I think the > actual reason is that the *maintainer* is trying to get other GNOME > build problems fixed before worrying about gdm2, which is a slightly > different matter. Sure :-) This makes sense. > > These sources are: > > > > Architecture: any > > > > > Not true. There are some packages that are architecture-specific, like > > > plex86 or yaboot for example. > > > > These are > > > > Architecture: i386 > > Architecture: powerpc > > > > So, Brian, this is not good example against above, though. > > > > I do not know about real story but ... > > > > 1. "unstable" is candidate for "testing" > > 2. to become "testing", it has to compile for all "Architecture"s. > > That's not true, no. Testing doesn't look at the Architecture: field. > All a package has to do is compile on all the architectures on which the > version in testing compiled, and be in sync across all of them. I see. Thanks. -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dselect, apt-get and unstable
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 03:24:56AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:59:36 +0100 (MET) > David Fokkema <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > with that except from the fact that I'd like to play AVI-files. So > > that is in unstable. Big deal. And it depends on the new libc6. Ok, > > no problem. But even if I don't select anything dselect, it wants > > to upgrade 244 packages, install 26 and remove 34 and leave 3 not > > upgraded. I don't like that. If I want to upgrade to unstable, I'll > > let dselect (or apt-get) > > But it is a problem. libc6 is a key library in a linux system; several > hundred packages depend on it. The reason dselect wants to upgrade all > those packages is that they depend on libc6. Boo... It is about 1700 packges, i.e., almost all packages depend on libc6. I just checked it :-) I guess you guys has to read (I just updated few days ago) http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-preface.en.html#s1.5 I need to add more things on "aptitude" in chapter 6. What tools you use for Debian archive access and what dependancy problem you encounter areorthogonal problem. It is just an impression you get when you use these tools in the default state. Osamu -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dselect, apt-get and unstable
On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 09:25:56PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:00:38 -0800 > Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > What tools you use for Debian archive access and what dependency > > problem you encounter are orthogonal problem. It is just an > > impression you get when you use these tools in the default state. > > "Orthogonal" seems to be a popular word lately. Independent, not-linked, un-related, ... > Did you mean to say that dependency problems are not related to the > tools used to install packages, and that different tools give us > different information about dependency problems? You are using APT system with different user interfaces after all (You can defy this but that is beyond normal use). dselect, apt-get, aptitude all get affected by /etc/apt/preferences Some options (-t) are there to provide temporary values for /etc/apt/preferences in apt-get. Please read manual pages for apt_preferences If you set stupid combination or bad archive status, you will hit problem with any tools. Since newer interface tend to expose more of these underlying issues, you become aware of the issues. This is my super condensed picture. I know I may not be accurate in real details :-) -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NFS hangs??
On Sat, Mar 15, 2003 at 06:02:29PM -0800, Alvin Oga wrote:
> (ro,soft,intr,rsize=8192,wsize=8192) might be better
>
> - make sure portmap and rpc.* is running
> - make sure that the firewall is NOT blocking nfs traffic
> - make sure /etc/hosts.{allow,deny} is NOT blocking nfs traffic
What was the reason for 8192? Any reference?
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Mounting Samba, any size like NFS
On Sat, Mar 15, 2003 at 09:06:53PM -0800, nate wrote: > Osamu Aoki said: > > > What was the reason for 8192? Any reference? > > improves performance by setting read/write buffers, 8192 is > usually the limit you can set on most systems. > > see: > http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/performance.html > > nate I see. Should we do the similar for samba shares? I guess I have to update my "Debian Reference" over this :-) -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused
Rob, On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 06:58:45AM -0700, M. Kirchhoff wrote: > Quoting Rob Weir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > I've just spent a while expanding on my short guide that I've used on > > the list a couple of times. It's available from > > http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt and is reproduced below so > > people can criticies it more easily :) > By jove, you've got it!!! I wish to hell I'd had your guide when I > first started mucking with fonts. I think we just need to get your > guide into docbook format or something similar and make it more well > known. How about DDP document which uses debiandoc-sgml. Since it is a small topic, if you wish, I will be grad to make it a part of "Debian Reference". Rewite around: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tune.en.html#s-xfs-tt I am not extensive on this subject. (Tough part is write is generic enough so minor version up in X will not change description.) Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HOWTO enter Ctrl-S to BASH from console
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 03:02:06PM -0400, Paul Smith wrote: > Hm. After reviewing your bug report I'll ask the dumb question: are you > sure you actually had some history to forward-isearch on? Your bug > report sounds to me like exactly what would happen if there were no > entries forward of your current one in the history that matched what you > were typing. > > Remember that in the shell your "current" entry is always at the _end_ > of the list, so ^S only makes sense when you have already gone backwards > (either with ^P or even all the way to the beginning with M-<). > > Under normal circumstances in bash you typically use ^R > (reverse-isearch) since you're usually at the end of the history. > Dah. Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: fetchmail/exim chokes on a message...
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 10:47:01AM -0700, Sanchez the Cactus wrote: > I'm currently using fetchmail set up as a daemon to gather mail from > various email accounts and deliver them on my system. default exim3 > is installed, and users have .procmailrc files to direct mails to a > local Maildir. If you are running testing/unstable, upgrade to new version may help solve the issue. See bug report http://bugs.debian.org/146690 and others. It is August fix. Otherwise dman's solution seems good. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Font Guide for Newbies and the Confused
On Sat, Oct 18, 2003 at 06:56:10PM +1000, Rob Weir wrote: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2003 at 08:09:56PM +0200, Osamu Aoki said > > Rob, > > > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 06:58:45AM -0700, M. Kirchhoff wrote: > > > Quoting Rob Weir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > > > I've just spent a while expanding on my short guide that I've used on > > > > the list a couple of times. It's available from > > > > http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt and is reproduced below so > > > > people can criticies it more easily :) > > > By jove, you've got it!!! I wish to hell I'd had your guide when I > > > first started mucking with fonts. I think we just need to get your > > > guide into docbook format or something similar and make it more well > > > known. > > > > How about DDP document which uses debiandoc-sgml. > > Sure, sounds like a good idea. I may not have time to do this until > next weekend, however. Cool. > > Since it is a small topic, if you wish, I will be grad to make it a part > > of "Debian Reference". Rewite around: > > > > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tune.en.html#s-xfs-tt > > > > I am not extensive on this subject. (Tough part is write is generic > > enough so minor version up in X will not change description.) > > I don't think this will be too much of a problem. There don't seem to > be any changes with regard to font configuration for X itself within the > 4.0 series, there's just the addition of things like xft1 and > fontconfig. Good. By the way, x-ttcidfont-conf depends on defoma. So all you need is # apt-get install x-ttcidfont-conf Also about nice set of free fonts # apt-get install ttf-bitstream-vera or # apt-get install ttf-freefont Just FYI to support CJK and other fonts: tfm-arphic-bsmi00lp, tfm-arphic-bkai00mp, tfm-arphic-gbsn00lp, tfm-arphic-gkai00mp, hbf-jfs56, hbf-cns40-b5, hbf-kanji48, ttf-baekmuk ttf-thryomanes I do not exactly know how they fit together but I have them all and can see all sorts of characters :-) For Japanese fonts, there is sticky problem right now. http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200310/msg00142.html Osamu signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: No X configuration offered during install of Woody (30r1)
On Mon, Oct 20, 2003 at 08:10:39PM +0100, Andrew Borland wrote: > [New User Alert] Please read install mamnual and, if you care, Debian Reference :-) You can start at: http://www.debian.org/doc Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A newbie's confusion about GPL
On Thu, Oct 23, 2003 at 07:59:38AM +0100, Karsten M. Self wrote: > Of course, if you feel this is an acceptable business risk, you're more > than welcome to test the system. Hmmm That is actually a too good point to point out. Many incidents of clear copyright violation exist without prosecution. Maybe not as many violation as speed-limit but certainly a lot. Interesting parallel here. Osamu PS: I am accumulating quite a bit of speed tickets in a new country I lives. Big brother is everywhere watching and taking picture of happy driver here in Europe. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: package for bug regarding system installation and boot logo
On Tue, Oct 21, 2003 at 01:44:53PM -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote: > Brian Nelson wrote: > > > The little penguin at the top of the screen while the kernel is loading? > >Bugs for that should be filed against "kernel", I believe. That is only displayed with Package: kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4 Maintainer: John H. Robinson, IV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (Old) Maintainer: Eduard Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (New) Normal kernels by Herbert Xu does not display this Penguin since it does not use graphics mode. It is not a bug to show this. If you do not like this, just install Herbert Xu kernels, I think. Did you? Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
.muttrc for mailing list
On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 05:21:50PM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 12:00:25PM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 29, 2003 at 10:38:45AM -0500, ScruLoose wrote:
> > > Shouldn't you be hitting the L key in mutt, for 'reply-to-list' instead
> > > of g for 'reply-to-all'...
> > > Especially considering that the code of conduct for the list:
> > > http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct
> > > says "When replying to messages on the mailing list, do not send a
> > > carbon copy (CC) to the original poster unless they explicitly request
> > > to be copied."
> >
> > To use L I have to define the mailing lists I am subscribed to, this
> > causes mutt to do weird things (I don't remember exactly what, but it
> > might have shown debian-user as the sender of all messages from
> > debian-user, instead of the actual senders).
>
> You want this in ~/.muttrc:
>
> set index_format="%4C %Z %{%b %d} %-15.15F (%4l) %s"
I thought that was the default, I think.
I did not like it and I saw some post to address this with:
set index_format="%4C %Z %{%b %d} %-15.15n %?M?(#%03M)&(%4l)? %s"
Your own post looks OK with this.
Cheers
Osamu
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Re: hotplug netwotk interfaces
On Sat, Nov 01, 2003 at 04:41:57PM +0100, Raffaele Sandrini wrote: > Hi > > Is it somehow possible to enable a kind of hotplug with the debian > interfaces system? Please read new Thomas Hood's guides. (This is not my writing.) http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-gateway.en.html > Second case: wireless card. If we have a pcmcia wireless card and plug > it into a running system a new interface is created. Is there a method > to let the debian interface system react on that? Yes. > As soon as i plug in > my wireless card it should set it up and gather an IP via dhcp. I cant > just enter that device into the interfaces file because it does not > exist while the card is not pluged in. I think you also has to learm resolvconf too. > cheers, Raffaele -- Raffaele Sandrini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Annoyed about M$ > Windows? Don't worry. Try Linux! (www.linux.org) Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: install local deb file
On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 03:15:06PM -0500, Haines Brown wrote: > I've spent some time pouring over apt-HOWTO, and just don't > understand. I want to use aptitude to install a local .deb file. I > place it in my /storage/debs. > > In the HOWTO, it said to do this: > > deb file:/storage debs\ ^ What is this back slash? > But when I run aptitude update, it says the line is malformed. > > How does one use aptitude to install a local deb file? Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re-configuring after an install
On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 01:01:58AM +, Chris Owen wrote: > Thanks Sean that does the trick, and the NIC seems to work OK. Only one > thing though; it keeps coming up with that screen asking me to configure > my network each time I boot, although I have removed the auto eth0 line > from /etc/network/interfaces. I can just hit cancel to this each time > and it still works, but any idea how to stop it coming up with the > screen? If I give it a configuration it still doesn't seem happy, as it > keeps asking for another one each time... I just installed Debian into my new laptop PC. (Hmmm.. VGA screen is shown as firmware AA font on 1600x1200 screen, sweet.) I guess you installed task for laptop like me. I think that introduced package called netenv. I think that is the one asking question. See /usr/share/doc/netenv . Use "mc" command. -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: minimal impact kernel upgrade
On Tue, Jan 14, 2003 at 05:20:25PM +, Simon Tod wrote: > The current kernel I'm using on my laptop - "unname -r" gives just > 2.4.19 without any extensions (?) - doesn't support APM. Are you sure? :-) > All I'm really interested in doing is and "apt-get install > kernel-image-2.4.19-686" and following the instructions... BUT how can > I do this without screwing up all the stuff that works already like > the sound, pcmcia modem, cdrw, etc. - don't know how this lot was > configured in the first place as I didn't do the initial install. > Thanks in advance... The key is that you have to enable "modules" through /etc/modules (I have not confirmed "sound". I know cd-r/w and apm works with stock kernel for me. See chapter 3 of "Debian Reference" below :-) Cheers. -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re-configuring after an install
On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 06:41:40AM +, Karsten M. Self wrote: > on Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 11:19:21PM -0800, Osamu Aoki ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > I guess you installed task for laptop like me. I think that introduced > > package called netenv. I think that is the one asking question. > > > > See /usr/share/doc/netenv . Use "mc" command. > > netenv is IMO a useless package. Lose it. No harm. Good point but how do you change network configuration for different environment at boot time other than ifconfig from root-shell? Osamu PS: I have not read above link location either :( -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Maintaining a mixed system
On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 01:54:56PM -0500, Seth Williamson wrote: > I posted the message below on the Libranet list and got some helpful > replies. However, I was not sure about a few of the ramications on > suggestions that I got, and I thought I would post it here and see what > help I might get. Libranet, as probably everybody here knows, is a > specific packaging of Debian. ... > However, for a few--a very few--apps, I would like to run versions that > are newer. I'm not talking a lot here. Probably Evolution, Galeon, > Abiword, and that's it. Otherwise I'd like to run everything stable. To do this you ahve 2 choices: 1) Upgrade those package and library packages used by them (libc6 retc.) 2) recompile in stable environment. 1) can be done with libranet/debian mix but not simple. If you knew how (*See below), you can do it much easily just with debian. So change sources to debian stable or testing and upgrade :) Lern to move to debian proper :) My reference below (Chapter 6 may help) 2) This is right way but why bother when binary exists :) - * can some one tell exact /etc/apt/preferences for his need? (Below is my guess and not tested at all) Package: * Pin: release o=Debian,a=stable Pin-Priority: 500 Package: libc6 Pin: release o=Debian,a=testing Pin-Priority: 600 Package: locale Pin: release o=Debian,a=testing Pin-Priority: 600 Package: galeon Pin: release o=Debian,a=testing Pin-Priority: 600 Package: * Pin: release o=Debian,a=testing Pin-Priority: 60 Package: * Pin: release o=Debian,a=unstable Pin-Priority: 50 -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
2 mice (USB+PS2) simultaniously for GPM, How?
Folks,
Some programs (X, Windows) seems to be able to handle more than 2 mice
these days.
How can I use both touch pad (PS2) and mouse (USB) at the same time on
my notebook's console screen? I love 80*25 Linux console :-)
Currently, I change entry in /etc/gpm.conf and restart gpm but this only
allow me to switch them. I can not use both.
Osamu
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# /etc/gpm.conf - configuration file for gpm(1)
#device=/dev/psaux
device=/dev/input/mice
responsiveness=
repeat_type=ms3
type=autops2
append=""
sample_rate=
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Re: Install all packages
On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 08:04:57PM +0700, Hansel Yapadi wrote:
> How to install all packages in the cds during installation? because I
> wanna try those software
This is what you want to do if you have a lot of tome and harddisk :)
(You can not put all of them blindly. Enven if you can, how do you know
command for it as others have said..)
For newbies, here is practical answer: from root shell
# dselect update
# tasksel
... select everything (maybe not all thise foreign language you do not
understand...)
Have fun.
If you feel like, then add more through dselect or aptitude.
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Re: restart / shutdown by normal user
On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 01:33:37PM -0800, Jay wrote: > As far as I know, you can just do a ctrl-alt-delete at the login prompt, and > it will shutdown, no need to be root. > > May the Force of the Dragon's Spirit be with you...In Accordance With The > Prophecy. > > Happy Hacking, Bright Blessings and Gentle Breezes! You need to edit /etc/initab shotdown -r now -> shotdown -h now Then you cn do this :) -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to change start up screen resolution for X?
On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 03:39:29PM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote: > On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 01:50:45PM -0600, will trillich wrote: > > all i can get is 800x600 which ain't much. :( > > > > i've googled for MEMOREX-TELEX (CDS-4583) and haven't found much > > in the way of answers for horiz/vert refresh or clock speeds. > > anybody know of a site somewhere that's got a collection of that > > kind of info? > > CDS-4583 is P/N 955313-003 which is a '14" SVGA monitor'. My > recollection of Super-VGA is that you could do 1024x768 at some crappy > refresh rate like 60Hz ... but anything better than that is a long > shot. Good google :) but SVGA is Super-VGA and only 800 x 720 ! CGA: 640 X 200 (8*8 font, 80chars * 25 lines) DCGA: 640 X 400 (8*16 font, 80chars * 25 lines) VGA: 640 x 480 SVGA: 800 x 720 XGA: 1024 x 768 SXGA 1280 x1024 UXGA: 1600 x1440 In old days, it was not multi-sync monitor. No wonder you can only get SVGA only. > Pardon me, but I would classify that monitor as a "boat anchor". You > can get a far more capable 17" replacement for under $200 (probably > less if you check out the dumpsters at various corporations :) Maybe cheap LCD XGA (15 inch which is as big as 17 inch CRT), they are getting sub $300 Osamu -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mouse not aligned in X
On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 04:48:58PM -0600, Kent West wrote: > Just installed Woody. imps2 mouse on /dev/psaux works fine, except that > the "sweet spot" where the click takes place is off-centered to the left > of where the actual click is made by about the width of a close button > (the X in the upper right hand corner of a window) in icewm. > > This happens both in icewm and in KDE. > > The console mouse (gpm) seems to work fine. I've tried the X mouse with > and without gpm (configuring X to look to /dev/gpmdata and /dev/psaux > respectively). > > Any clues? no but why not upgrade to X 4.2 in testing :) I had strange freeze problem on 3dfx which was solved by this upgrade. -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mouse not aligned in X
On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 10:44:47PM -0600, Kent West wrote: > Osamu Aoki wrote: > >no but why not upgrade to X 4.2 in testing :) ... > Yeah, I'm uprading the entire system, but it's over dial-up, so it's > gonna take a day and a half, and I only have a couple of hours left > before I have to leave this physical location. So I'll leave it > upgrading, and will contact the owner of the computer in a day or two to > see if the upgrade made a difference. You are brave :) Did you select package through dselect. Also download-only is handy when you do apt-get while away from machine :) -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is this normal with USB mice?
Dman, help me out, I am confused :-( On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 07:03:00PM -0500, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: > On Mon, Jan 20, 2003 at 10:17:34PM -0600, Jack wrote: > | My USB mouse only works after I restart X. After X is restarted, it > | works just fine, even when X is restarted without it plugged in. The > | touch-pad always works. ... > Here's the problem. When you have no mouse plugged in the device file > doesn't exist. Thus X can't open the device file, thus it ignores > that "bad" part of the configuration. The solution is for the device > file to exist even when there is no mouse to read data from. > > My current configuration on the laptop is : > 1) gpm runs, it reads directly from /dev/misc/psaux (the > touchpad) and /dev/input/mice (any and all USB mice) Yes, I now do this too. /etc/gpm.conf has append set with append="-M -m /dev/input/mice" > 2) gpm provides a raw repeater as /dev/gpmdata -M force repeater and default repeater is ms3. So set /etc/gpm.conf with repeat_type=raw > 3) X reads from the gpm repeater and directly from > /dev/input/mice ??? Is this right?? or typo. I would say 3) X reads from the gpm repeater from /dev/gpmdata (or create symlink /dev/mouse pointing /dev/gpmdata and X reads from /dev/mouse.) I do not understand why you try to let USB mouse read by gpm and X at the same time? Any special reason exists? Even if X can not find /dev/input/mice during boot, X get signal from USB mouse through gpm anyway. > I can hot plug a USB mouse in the system at any time. The > /dev/input/mice file exists even though I don't currently have the USB > mouse plugged in. ??? > On my desktop at home I have gpm set up identically, but X only reads > from gpm's repeater. It works as well without restarting X or gpm, Yes this looks more normal to me. > probably because the device file exists even though the USB mouse in > in the laptop case (and a ps2 mouse is plugged into the desktop). I am confused. You mean your desktop PC only have ps2 mouse and USB is not used on desktop. -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Is this normal with USB mice? (solved)
On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 12:24:30AM -0600, Jack wrote: > On Tue, Jan 21, 2003 at 09:10:24AM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > > #include > > * Jack [Mon, Jan 20 2003, 11:48:16PM]: > > > Thanks for the hints. I have almost the same configure as yours. Would > > > you try this for me when you by chance reboot your machine? Unplug the > > > USB mouse, boot OS, startx, plugin the USB mouse. Does the USB mouse > > > work right away? In my case, "cat /dev/input/mice" trick works, but > > > the X does not detect the change. > > > > There is a trick to feed X with apparently valid mouse device, install > > the hotplug package and look in its config. > Very good hints! In the hotplug user configure file > /etc/default/hotplug.usb X11_USBMICE_HACK is set as false by default. > After it is Changed to true, now everything is cool. > > By doing that, the input and mousedev modules get loaded before startx > even when the usb mouse has not been plugged in. And X is fooled to > think the device is there although it is not there yet. Interesting. Despite its name, this trick works with gpm too. I realized when GPM is started without USB mouse and -M option, it de-activate itself and useless. With this, GPM works with -M option and I can plug USB mouse later while my touch pad works all the time :) > Many thanks to all the replies. Thanks. -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recovering /var (package status only)
On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 10:00:28AM +, Colin Watson wrote: > On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 01:03:00AM -0500, Travis Crump wrote: > > Question about false positives(/usr/share/doc/ directories that don't > > correspond to a package): Are they a bug or is there nothing wrong with > > them? On my system I have the following false positives: > > > > debian-reference-en, debian-reference-common: /usr/share/doc/Debian > > doc-linux-text: /usr/share/doc/FAQ > > doc-linux-text: /usr/share/doc/HOWTO > > doc-debian: /usr/share/doc/debian > > doc-linux-text and doc-debian are special cases, probably > debian-reference-* too. I tried to formalize the upper-case rule for > doc-linux-* on debian-policy in August 2000, but never got round to > following through on the approving noises I got in response. In DDP, we discussed to move all DDP document into /usr/share/doc/Debian just like HOWTO and others. It stand out when browsed by "mc" :) I thought upper case rule is a de facto rule mostly for aesthetic of organization but now we have very compelling argument for disaster recovery :) I will second it if you propose again. -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems when starting the install of Debian Woody Linux
On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 10:10:32PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> But, the reason I write this is that I have also been
> faced up to another type of problem, namely a problem
> with installation of the new system. I attach the dbg_log.tgz
> file to ease the resolution of my problem.
File: hda.fdisk-dumpCol 0 491 bytes100%
Disk /dev/hda: 255 heads, 63 sectors, 790 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 bytes
Device BootStart EndBlocks Id System
/dev/hda1 * 1 382 3068383+ b Win95 FAT32
/dev/hda2 774 790136552+ 82 Linux swap
/dev/hda4 383 773 3140707+ 5 Extended
/dev/hda5 383 574 1542208+ 83 Linux
/dev/hda6 575 773 1598436 83 Linux
Partition table entries are not in disk order
^
This is your problem.
How did you repartitioned system?
I recommend you to start from really scratch. Yes, installing WINDOWS.
1. Check BIOS DISK set up (LBA or not)
2. Let windows-fdisk create all the partitions as DOS.
3. Install Windows to /dev/hda1
3. Use Linux boot disk to change type with fdisk and mke2fs
4. Install Linux
Cheers.
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Re: Recovering /var (package status only)
On Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 03:03:07AM +, Karsten M. Self wrote: > on Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 12:22:47PM -0800, Osamu Aoki ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 10:00:28AM +, Colin Watson wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 01:03:00AM -0500, Travis Crump wrote: > > > > Question about false positives(/usr/share/doc/ directories that don't > > > > correspond to a package): Are they a bug or is there nothing > > > > wrong with them? On my system I have the following false > > > > positives: > > > > > > > > debian-reference-en, debian-reference-common: /usr/share/doc/Debian > > > > doc-linux-text: /usr/share/doc/FAQ > > > > doc-linux-text: /usr/share/doc/HOWTO > > > > doc-debian: /usr/share/doc/debian > > > > > > doc-linux-text and doc-debian are special cases, probably > > > debian-reference-* too. I tried to formalize the upper-case rule for > > > doc-linux-* on debian-policy in August 2000, but never got round to > > > following through on the approving noises I got in response. > > > > In DDP, we discussed to move all DDP document into /usr/share/doc/Debian > > just like HOWTO and others. It stand out when browsed by "mc" :) > > I'd support this on an organizational basis. These aren't packages, > they're additional documentation concerning a specific topic. This > should also harmonize (evil in copyright, good in directory names) the > "lowercase is packages" association. > > > organization but now we have very compelling argument for disaster > > recovery :) > > I prefer to think of this as a validation of consistency, rather than a > feature which should be explicitly aimed for. There's a distinction. True. > Admins *shouldn't* be blowing away their /var partitions, and they > *should* be backing up critical system data, preferably with multiple > offsite backups. Yes, we know this isn't the case, but does Debian > policy need to accommodate poor practices? BTW, admins should keep /var/backup/* as separate partition if they care. This is THE BACKUP of critical system package state. The /usr/share/doc/[a-z][\+\-_a-z0-9:]* are only the 2nd stage backup. > From a consistency viewpoint, however, it *does* become a useful audit > check to see if there are any non-package directories consisting of all > lowercase alpha characters in /usr/share/doc. The fortuitous > consequence that you now have a backup representation of package state > is useful. It's not an intentional result. Subtle but important point, > namely: if policy at some future point dictates that this arrangement > should change, then disrupting the "but you're destroying our backup > dpkg status state repository" argument holds no water. You may be right. But if one proposes to disrupt this very reasonable policy, one needs to have very compelling reason. (Especially when people can create arbitrary directory entries without violating policy as long as they put one upper case.) I think this is a policy item with "should" phrases. Osamu -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't downgrade to stable
On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 11:08:09PM -0500, Lloyd Zusman wrote: ... > testing system. I followed the same steps as above, except replacing > the string 'stable' with 'testing'. Nevertheless, nothing got > downgraded (see below for details). > > I know that I previously installed perl-5.8.0 from the 'unstable' > distribution, and that it is my default perl interpreter (I can tell by > running "perl -V"). But the following did not do anything, and after > these steps, I was still using perl-5.8.0 instead of perl-5.6.1 from > 'testing' ... > > contents of /etc/apt/preferences > > Package: * > Pin: release a=testing > Pin-Priority: 1001 > > /etc/apt/apt.conf was completely deleted > > Then ... > > apt-get update && apt-get -t testing dist-upgrade ^^ Why -t is set here -t set priority of that "testing" to 990 overriding 1001 This is what went wrong. # apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade This is what you needed :-) -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to comment out lines in /etc/apt/preferences?
On Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 06:39:15AM -0500, Lloyd Zusman wrote: > Is there a way to comment out lines in /etc/apt/preferences? I tried > various comment characters, but none worked. I couldn't find anything > about this in the documentation. I used to do hush trick without thinking too much but ... Since this file format is same as mail header, adding X-comment: whatever you want to write Seems to be the right approach. (Hush can be considered another header but ...) http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/examples/preferences.testing -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't downgrade to stable
On Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 06:57:53AM -0500, Lloyd Zusman wrote: > Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 11:08:09PM -0500, Lloyd Zusman wrote: > > ... > >> > >> [ ... ] > >> > >> apt-get update && apt-get -t testing dist-upgrade > > ^^ > > Why -t is set here > > -t set priority of that "testing" to 990 overriding 1001 > > This is what went wrong. > > > > # apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade > > > > This is what you needed :-) > > Yes, it indeed is what I needed. It worked great. Thank you! > > Is it also true that setting /etc/apt/apt.conf to contain > `APT::Default-Release "testing";' also sets "testing" to 990? Yes, that is my understanding. man apt_preferences 100 to 1000 Standard priorities. 990 is the priority set by the --target-release apt-get(8) option. -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't downgrade to stable
On Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 07:18:18PM -0500, Lloyd Zusman wrote: > Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 06:57:53AM -0500, Lloyd Zusman wrote: > >> > >> [ ... ] > >> > >> Is it also true that setting /etc/apt/apt.conf to contain > >> `APT::Default-Release "testing";' also sets "testing" to 990? > > > > Yes, that is my understanding. man apt_preferences > > > >100 to 1000 > > Standard priorities. 990 is the priority set by the > > --target-release apt-get(8) option. > > Yes ... I read that, too. But it doesn't say anything specifically > about the `APT::Default-Release "testing";' in apt.conf, and I have > learned the hard way not to make assumptions about the way that various > settings in various places interract with one another in the 'apt' > system. > > But using the empirical method, I have determined (I think!) that > `APT::Default-Release' does indeed seem to correspond to the same > numerical priority as the --target-release option. I learned this in this list but reading manual page of apt-get (8) ... --default-release This option controls the default input to the policy engine, it creates a default pin at priority 990 using the specified release string. The preferences file may further override this setting. In short, this option lets you have simple control over which distribution packages will be retrieved from. Some common examples might be -t '2.1*' or -t unstable. Configuration Item: APT::Default-Release This is where it is documented. Tricky :-) -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Mouse Problem
Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and Pigion, On Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 05:04:58PM +, Pigeon wrote: > On Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 10:27:09PM -0500, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2003 at 07:16:57PM -0500, Stephen Gran wrote: > > | This one time, at band camp, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > > > > | > I an having weird things happen to my mouse on bootup, and through X. > > | > Generic ps/2 mouse, windows type clone > > | > I am trying different combinations of : > > | > /dev/mouse Hi, [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This is symlink usually. Where is it linked. lrwxrwxrwx1 root root7 Jan 16 23:04 /dev/mouse -> gpmdata > > | > /dev/psaux (used by gpm) If you have gpm running, why do not you have /dev/gpmdata srwxrwxrwx1 root root0 Jan 18 21:16 /dev/gpmctl prw-r--r--1 root root0 Jan 17 17:36 /dev/gpmdata > > | > and different protocols > > | > protocol PS/2 > > | > protocol mousesystems > > | > protocol IntelliMouse (used with a different mouse than above two) What is the content of /etc/gpm.conf ? Which do you use for repeater protocol: ms3 or raw ? If ms3 and reading from /dev/gpmdata, IntelliMouse > > | > but the mouse if _still_ unstable. At the slightest touch it careers off > > | > screen in some random direction, never to appear again, though upon > > | > movement it squeals... > > | > > | This sounds like a wrong mouse protocol > > > > I agree here. Try different protocols until one works. You might > > want to also unplug the mouse sometimes to "reset" it's internal > > state. > > echo -n '\377' > /dev/psaux should reset the mouse. Pigion, great info. Thanks. Where did you find this trick. Is there similar for keyboad? Does thiis work for USB? -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Some myths regarding apt pinning
Hi, Thanks you for your interesting review of apt pinning and their security implications. I think the real mith is "novice user can *upgrade* system to the *latest* unstable distribution by apt-get." I saw many unexperienced users try to *upgrade* to the unstable and getting into major truble. I think advocating the use of apt pinning is useful to reduce their pains. On Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 02:59:17PM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > Since some people seem to thing apt pinning can solve all problems with > outdated packages in stable I want to explain why this is wrong: > > apt pinning is good if you are running testing but need a package (e.g. > a security update) from unstable. This is generally true and I am doing this now. But this really depends on status of debian archive. Usually few weeks after new major stable release, I think it is useful to run stable with a bit of mix from testing since there are many totally new packages coming into testing without getting flagged as RC fast enough :-) After all apt pinning is a user tool to throttle our exposures to testing/unstable :-) It does not cure bad packages. > There are people that use apt pinning to install packages from unstable > on a woody system. This is bad because nearly every installation of a > package from unstable pulls a new libc6 and it's also possible that it > pulls a new Perl and Python. Then some _very_ essential components of > your system are upgraded to the potentially more buggy versions in > unstable. We can always run "apt-get install -t unstable -u randompackage" and decide. Or "-d" option to download and read the changelog before installing. If upgrade of libc6, Perl and Python are threat to the system, certainly apt pinning is not for those systems. I thought the standard procedure for this type of environment is: 1. Put deb-src for unstable and/or testing 2. Use stable or testing environment # apt-get build-dep randompackage # apt-get source -b randompackage That is what I recommend in my reference for the servers if one has some compelling reasons to install a new version. Since I use Debian for mostly for WS, I usually do not bother to do this on my system but simply use apt pinning. > >>From a security point of view woody + libc6 from unstable is worse than > any other possibility. Consider there's another security bug in libc6. > The fixed version for stable has a lower version number than the version > on your system and you won't get the update. This is worse than the > situation when you are running one of stable/unstable/testing: > > stable: > Stable users get security updates from security.debian.org. > > unstable: > A fixed package for unstable is usually at about as fast as the fix for > stable available. > > testing: > Every user of testing knows that he must read debian-security-announce > and if needed install fixes from unstable since it can take an arbitrary > amount of time until security fixes from unstable enter testing (most > likely none of fixes from the last 70 security advisories is in > testing). Good point. This tells us that the servers placed on Internet need to follow your guidance of using stable/security. There is no argument on this end. But for most workstations, how fanatic we have to keep our system secure by simply installing security patches which are usually buffer overflow fixes. These risks can be minimized setting up firewall and turning off risky services. I also think without the other care, system will be insecure even with the latest secured packages. Browsers and mail clients can be at risk but it is usually run as a normal user so damages are limited in GNU/Linux. For all those new GNOME and KDE apps, I feel safer using the newer version since it has been out in public in shorter time which makes it less likely to get exploit assuming both version has same amount of bugs. If you are fanatic about exploits, we should not be using these applications anyway :-) But aren't they pretty. PS: I used to use your backport kernels and utilities in potato days. Thanks for your fine works. -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Some myths regarding apt pinning
On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 11:01:08AM +0100, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 12:39:32AM -0800, Osamu Aoki wrote: > I'm currently subscribed to the German Debian user list and it happens > that people tell _novice users_ things like: > > Yes, Debian stable is horribly outdated, but with apt pinning you get > the latest software. > > A user who doesn't really know what he's doing should _never_ leave > stable. ... > If someone else wants to run unstable because he says he learns much > about his system while trying to cope with the breakages he knows what > he's doing, too. > > But it's really wrong if people tell novice users to use apt pinning to > get more recent software. Well, that is exactly the value of people like you to back port packages and selectively upgrade key packages and to offer them as apt-getable archive :-) Anyway, it may be good idea to put something like following in Debian web site to reduce this type of confusion. == What Debian is best for me? Debian is available in 3 major flavors - stable, testing, and unstable - for practically all CPU architectures. Here is a guideline for the choice. ++ | | | Recommended | | | User type | Criteria | Debian | Note | | | | Flavor | | |---+---+-+--| | | First time| | You have much to learn | | | using Debian | stable +| before playing with the | | Total Newbie | with no | security| testing flavor. Buy a CD | | | previous | fixes | set of the stable| | | GNU/Linux | | version. | | | experience. | | | |---+---+-+--| | | | | Learn how to use | | | First time| | Debian-specific things | | | using Debian | stable +| first with a small | | Debian Newbie | with good | security| install to become a | | | previous | fixes | Power User. Please do| | | GNU/Linux | | not think about | | | experience. | | downloading big | | | | | ISO-images. | |---+---+-+--| | | | | Watch the release cycle | | | Experienced | | and use APT pinning. | | | Debian user | testing | Prepare to get your | | | who wants to | (unstable, | hands dirty with package | | Power User| run latest| stable, | bugs. Read at least | | | version of| security| "debian-devel-announce | | | GNU/Linux | fixes) | at lists.debian.org".| | | desktop. | | Most people belong here | | | | | :-) | |---+---+-+--| | | Debian user | | | | | who needs to | stable +| If you need the latest | | | have a| security| packages, backport them | | Professional | rock-solid| fixes (may | from the source, | | User | Debian server | use testing | unstable, or testing by | | | in the| only after | yourself.| | | production| freeze) | | | | environment. | | | |---+---+-+--| | | Debian user | | | | | who wants to | | | | | be a Debian | any flavor | Do not expose yourself | | DD Wannabee | Developer and | but with| to unnecessary risks.| | | needs an | chroot | pbuilder is your friend. | | | unstable | unstable| | | | flavor
Re: Window Managers
On Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 09:01:42AM +, Karsten M. Self wrote: > on Sat, Jan 25, 2003 at 04:28:45PM +1100, James Buchanan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) >wrote: > > Hi, > > > > When I run `startx' I would like afterstep to run, and I would like a > > menu giving me a list of all the window managers/desktop environments > > that I can run. How do I tell startx to run afterstep by default? I > > have done `man startx' but it's all incomprehensible gibberish to me! > > :-( I did look at xinitrc but again, I can't read shell scripts. No not there. ~/.xsession :-) > > None of it looks obvious to me unfortunately. Oh yes, apparently > > Gnome is installed, but how do I run it? > > Systemwide: > > # update-alternatives --config x-window-manager I wish it is as simple. Since x-session-manager has priority over x-window-manager, nothing really happens for the window manager. x-session-manager loads its window manager (sawmill ...). Anyway, Branden was going to review this mess of window/session manager initialization soon. Anyway, it is non-trivial configuration to understand. So many random codes by different packages :-( I was and I am still confused. > For your own use, make the following the last line of ~/.xsession > > exec afterstep > > ...and take a look at WindowMaker if you like Afterstep. Yeh, ~/.xsession is the key on Debian. Also one of the following are interesting. exec wmaker # install wmaker, nice and clean exec blackbox# install blackbox, very slick and light exec fluxbox # install fluxbox, blackbox + nice tab thing exec fcwm# install xfce, Mac OS-X like exec icewm # install icewm,Light & windows like -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: do i need stable in my sources.list?
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 03:03:50AM +, Colin Watson wrote: > On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 01:43:32AM +, iain d broadfoot wrote: > > testing/unstable, do i still need the stable entries? > > No. testing started out as a copy of stable. The exceptions are if you > happen to want something that's been removed from testing since the last > stable release; even then you probably didn't want it anyway, and if you > do you can always get it by hand. It is very true. I did not think about it. I always listed them all. It may be still good idea to keep following :-) deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main Osamu -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: do i need stable in my sources.list?
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 12:41:49AM -0500, Travis Crump wrote: > Kent West wrote: > >Colin Watson wrote: > >>On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 01:43:32AM +, iain d broadfoot wrote: > >>>testing/unstable, do i still need the stable entries? > >>No. testing started out as a copy of stable. The exceptions are if you > >>happen to want something that's been removed from testing since the last > >>stable release; even then you probably didn't want it anyway, and if you > >>do you can always get it by hand. > >I was under the impression that you needed to keep your security sources > >pointing at stable, since that's the only place that emergency security > >patches get placed consistently. Am I incorrect? Yah. > Since most security updates for stable are going to be a version lower > than the version currently in testing(since everything is backported), > you are never going to get them anyway so having it there isn't going to > help. Is this so? Not all package get that frequent updates. I do not see much reason not to do it since BW is small too. If version number is the issue, we should be able to pin to "Label: Debian-Security", I think. (Never done it myself) Say "Label: Debian-Security" has pin of 1100 then all security fix will automatically downgrade the system. Once you find new fixed program in unstable, then set that package's pin to 1200. so you get fixed package in. Release file in security updates === Origin: Debian Label: Debian-Security Suite: stable Version: 3.0 Codename: woody -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debin Help
On Tue, Jan 28, 2003 at 07:40:51PM -0500, jmullin wrote: > I have been trying for a year to get a Debian distro set up on my > computer. At the NYC Linux World Expo, the was a Debian booth and I > bought the lates Debian CD but when I tried to load it BANG no good. Debian gives you control. So you need to know how each software should be configured. A bit more work than RH but you know what you installed. > No that the release was no good just it got a littel complicated. > Igot as far a Debian loading to the prompt stage. I just didn't know > how to get the xwindows and GUi set up. Use tasksel to set up. # dselect update # tasksel ... select X, GNOME, KDE, Game :-) > I have installed Red Hat and SuSE with no problem but I want to load > and use Debian but it just AIN'T happening, and I don't know where to > turn. I want to set my school up using Debian Linux but I am becoming > increasingly frustrated, who can I turn to for help. Thanks in advance. First read install manual on CD. Also, my document in testing (or on web) may be useful. http://qref.sf.net Chapter 6, 8 are key here. Cheers. -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: good GUI file manager in woody
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 01:05:36PM +1100, Russell wrote: > >(konq does upload right?) > > apt-get install gnome-commander/testing > > Don't get the one from stable because the > one in testing has much more implemented. I prefer to do: # apt-get install -t testing gnome-commander Since gnome-commander in testing are compiled against all the library in testing. (It will likely to pull many ackage but that is testing.) -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lordsutch Netinst cd's still being maintained?
On Wed, Jan 29, 2003 at 04:18:48PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Are the LordSutch network install CD's for debian > still being maintained? They haven't been updated > since September. Usually, every little security fix > was integrated into a new ISO. I do not understand. If it is net-install image, we do not need to update much since we are pilling system from latest stable. Once installed, we can update with security :-) Non-network install disk image (ISO) needs update since they contain old packages. Am I missing something :-? -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ +++++ Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ssh keys from two behind-the-firewall boxes?
Hi,
On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 06:08:31PM -0600, will trillich wrote:
> this is probably item #2 of the really-obvious-faq that i'm not
> yet aware of, so i'll go ahead and ask because i haven't taken
> the opportunity to look like a goober in, oh, about half a day,
> now...
>
> doing the ssh-keygen thing works like a charm; you copy your
> private keys to the remote box and then just slap it into your
NO!
You copy public key to remote machine. You keep private key in local
machine in front of you securely :-)
This way, even if this key is stolen, all the thief can do is send you
a e-mail and invite you to log into their machine without key word.
> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file and poof, no more passwords! so now
> you can run ssh-driven scripts without having to worry about the
> username/password interruption.
>
> it's ip-based, isn't it?
SSH checks IP as a part of prudence but its core authentication process
is not IP based.
> workstation workstation workstation
> 192.168.1.2192.168.1.100192.168.1.201
> key xyzpdq key 1234567 key x0x0x0x0
> | ||
> +---++
> |
> 192.168.1.5
> firewall
> 208.33.90.85
> |
> {web}
> |
> 11.22.33.44
> remote box
>
> but the remote just sees all the 192.168.1.* boxes as
> 208.33.90.85, right? where's the doc on getting ALL the
> 192.168.1.* boxes to ssh password-free to the remote machine?
> (or, when it challenges, the challenge only reaches the
> firewall, something like that. hmm?)
>
> so far, my experience has been that i can ssh password-free
> only from the 'on-the-public-link' firewall.
>
> --
> I use Debian/GNU Linux version 3.0;
> Linux server 2.4.20-k6 #1 Mon Jan 13 23:49:14 EST 2003 i586 unknown
>
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Re: LaTex editor
On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 01:35:36PM -0800, Virgil wrote: > True...but I do not believe you'll find the latest version 1.2.2 as a > debian package. Last time I checked, the deb package is quite outdated > (1.16?). You can however install from source. See www.lyx.org Believe it :-) lyx: Installed: (none) Candidate: 1.2.2-1 Version Table: 1.2.2-1 0 50 http://ftp.us.debian.org unstable/main Packages If you need to install it into stable, I think you need to recompile it and its libraries (libforms1) at least. Package: lyx Priority: optional Section: editors Installed-Size: 16882 Maintainer: Jules Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Architecture: i386 Version: 1.2.2-1 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.1-1), libforms1, libjpeg62, libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 (>= 1:2.95.4-0.010810), xlibs (>> 4.1.0),python Recommends: latex, dvips, tetex-base|ltxgraph, perl5|perl5-thread|perl-5.004|perl-5.005|perl-5.005-thread, tetex-extra, gv, ispell|aspell Suggests: sgml-tools, nowebm, rcs, lpr Filename: pool/main/l/lyx/lyx_1.2.2-1_i386.deb -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Desktop environment---what am I missing?
On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 06:42:41PM -0600, Jamin W. Collins wrote: > On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 04:53:37PM -0500, Mike M wrote: > > > What email clients and browsers do you use? > > Window Manager -> blackbox I used to use it too. Window Manager -> fluxbox But my recent search in X manager resultrd in fluxbox as its replacement. They share many look and feels Some KDE support too. Fluxbox is a window manager, that forked from ``blackbox'' after a long period of blackbox inactivity. > Browser -> Phoenix, Dillo (depending on the situation) Galeon, ... > Mail Client -> mutt Yep -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Recursively export NFS file systems
On Sun, Feb 02, 2003 at 02:13:05PM -0500, Stephen Gran wrote: > This one time, at band camp, Aaron Isotton said: > > I want to export the whole file system of "zarathustra" via NFS to > > "osiris". What I am currently doing is this: > > > > aisotton@zarathustra:~$ cat /etc/exports > > # /etc/exports: the access control list for filesystems which may be exported > > # to NFS clients. See exports(5). > > / osiris(ro,sync) > > aisotton@zarathustra:~$ > > > > The problem is that when I mount / on osiris, it will not mount the > > file systems which are mounted into / on zarathustra (for example > > /usr, /var, /boot and so on). Of course I can do something like this > > on zarathustra: > > > > / osiris(ro, sync) > > /usrosiris(ro, sync) > > /varosiris(ro, sync) > > /boot osiris(ro, sync) > > ... > > > > and then mount all of them by hand on osiris, but I'd like osiris not > > to know about the file systems of the other machines. What I want is > > to specify all the file systems which should be mounted by osiris in > > the individual /etc/exports, WITHOUT osiris knowing anything about > > that. > > > > Can that be done? How? > > Check out the 'hide' and 'nohide' options. man exports for details. > Known to not work in all situations, but it's a start. Yes. I had to list all but with nohide, it mounts all :-) Make sure host name does not use * which kill nohide. -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: iconv and UTF-8 encoding
On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 08:45:29PM -0500, Nori Heikkinen wrote: > i'm trying to read a file that i'm told is encoded in UTF-8. the > output of "file" on it says "Non-ISO extended-ASCII English text" > (it's not actually english, but that doesn't matter). I can't read it > as is, so i'm trying to convert it to ISO-8859-1 or whatever the > standard is that i'm used to with iconv. > > following the manpage, i get this: > > iconv -f UTF-8 -f ISO_8859-1 stream.lower.ir > new_file.txt I do: $ iconv -f UTF-8 -f ISO-8859-1 stream.lower.ir > new_file.txt ^ Try konwert too. It guess encoding too. > but this still appears with unreadable characters. > > does this mean that the file i'm trying to read from isn't actually > UTF-8? how do i find out what it is, if it's not? Show us how high bit codes are :)_ -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: please help on adsl sharing
On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 03:56:57PM +0100, Attila Csosz wrote: > I try to set up adsl sharing on two computer but I have problems. > The situation: > > adsl --->A(connected to adsl) -- B(internal machine) > > I do the followings: > > on machine A have the followings: > > 1) /etc/network/interfaces > auto lo > iface lo inet loopback > auto eth0 eth1 > iface eth0 inet static >address 192.168.1.2 >netmask 255.255.255.0 >network 192.168.1.0 >broadcast 192.168.1.255 > iface eth1 inet static >address 192.168.1.1 >netmask 255.255.255.0 >network 192.168.1.0 >broadcast 192.168.1.255 This does not make sense. I you are using one card port to do 2 address, read about IP ALIASING. eth0:1 etc. I do ont undersytand why you put both in same netweork segment? Usually we use separate ones. See my example at: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html -- ~\^o^/~~~ ~\^.^/~~~ ~\^*^/~~~ ~\^_^/~~~ ~\^+^/~~~ ~\^:^/~~~ ~\^v^/~~~ + Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cupertino CA USA, GPG-key: A8061F32 .''`. Debian Reference: post-installation user's guide for non-developers : :' : http://qref.sf.net and http://people.debian.org/~osamu `. `' "Our Priorities are Our Users and Free Software" --- Social Contract -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Reference Manual -- Section 10: Debian Gateway
You should have asked to the mailing list for help. I am not your free consultant... but heck... On Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 01:14:06PM -0700, Greg Sims wrote: > I need to build a network gateway using Debian that has PPPoE, Routing, > Bandwidth shaping and supports two Ethernet interfaces: Internet and LAN. I > thought I found the answer when I located section 10 of the Debian Reference > manual dated 8/21/03. I'm not finding it to be easy. This is not extensive yet. Try installing pppoe and pppoeconfig packages together with ipmasq. That what I do. > I installed a simple Debian stable system asking for only the classic server > features and taking the default responses. I started working through the > steps in section 10 and things were going well until "10.1.2 Network > configuration checkpoints". I performed the apt-get to find the dhcpd and > nfs packages do not exist. Things went down hill from here as the files > associated with these packages do not exist. Hahaha,... now packages are split. Use dselect. search with /. dhcp3-something maybe what you are looking. > Am I on the correct track here? Is this the best document for me to use > towards accomplishing my objectives? Perhaps I just need a little push to > get going. Any help you can provide would be appreciated. Good luck. > Thanks, Greg > > PS. The firewall section of the Debian Network Admin manual is blank so it > was not much help. fyi :-( Read HOWTO by installing doc-linux-text (which used to be doc-linux). There are good documentations for you. Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: installing a mixed system (stable/testing/unstable) under separate directories
On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 10:35:35AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 11:19:35AM +0200, Alex Polite wrote: > > Package pinning is driving my crazy. Every now and then I just have to > > have something that is only available in testing or unstable. My > > favorite option is to download the source, compile it myself and > > install in /usr/local but every now and then it's a big thing like > > evolution which has a gazillion dependencies. > > > > So I do apt-get -t unstable > > > > Almost without exemption this will lead to hairy dependency > > problems. > > This is a very bad idea, as you've found out. It's much easier to find a > backport (see http://www.apt-get.org/, for instance) or produce one > yourself. Yep. With deb-src: in sources.list # apt-get build-dep # apt-get -b source # dpkg -i *.deb > I wish pinning didn't exist. It is a good tool to pull-in unstable into testing but ... I have to agree on your feeling to some extent. Once you install any C programs, they pull in latest libc... > > I want to install stable, testing and unstable under separate > > directories. All stable packs, configuration files etc goes under > > /stable, testing packs goes under /testing and so on. > > You could set up chroots like this using debootstrap. (Just be sure to > use the unstable version; earlier versions aren't guaranteed to be able > to install testing or unstable.) You might have to do ssh X forwarding > or something to run X clients from inside the chroot, though. Or UML. But to be honest, upgrade to simple testing or un stable may be easier than doing things like this. :) Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bug tracking
On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 04:02:11PM +0800, csj wrote: > I'm just curious about Debian's "bug" policy. > > I know that some bugs aren't fixable (because either they're too > expensive to fix or upstream thinks they're a "feature"). But > how are bug reports resolved in the Debian bug system? I just > checked my favorite bug, and it's still under the heading > "outstanding" rather than "resolved" and the program in question > has had, IRC, two major releases. I only see one bug report by you. #162308: gkdial-gnome? This was files as normal but now downgraded properly as wishlist. > I'm not asking that the bug be "solved". I just want it > "resolved". Doesn't the bug report at least merit a "No, I won't > fix it, unless somebody submits the code"? I think it is properly "resolved" by changing priority. This is a feature request. Unless someone feels urge to write a code, it will stay there. Will you contribute some code here? Basically, Debian is all about packaging and broken code (mostly security) fix. Other option for you is to send a mail to upstream. Good luck. Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Evolving Debian from Red Hat
On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 11:05:19PM +0530, George Abraham wrote: > Can apt-get and deb package management system be installed in a Red hat > machine?. I am thinking about the possiblity of evolving a GNU/Debian > system from a Red Hat system. Is it possible?. Pardon me if I am wrong > and ignorant. It is possible to upgrade from RH to Debian using chroot install trick and booting into there later. This is for people who needs to use "REMOTE" system. For normal user, Paul's suggestion is a good one if you are short on disk space. If you have a lot, make som space and install Debian in separate partition. Then make them dual boot. Migrate one service by one by mounting Debian files on RH. Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Howto on one pages
On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 08:11:24PM +0200, Christophe Courtois wrote: > Hi, > > The Howtos that I find on the Debian site are often in HTML format ; > getting them page by page is very painful. Pdf Many DDP documents offer PDF and many latest contents are available as debian package in unstable. What howto are you talking? Osamu "Debian Reference" = all PDF ready :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Howto on one pages
On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 03:20:21PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > On Sun, 14 Sep 2003, Christophe Courtois wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > The Howtos that I find on the Debian site are often in HTML format ; > > getting them page by page is very painful. Pdf > > Hi C, > IIRC most of them come in more that one format. So, if it comes in .ps or > .pdf, you can convert it to txt with a filter. Some may not come as ps or pdf but all DDP HOWTO are in HTML and plain text. If you are talking about TLDP HOWTO, they are also available on ALL. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: unable to rename a folder
On Sat, Sep 13, 2003 at 01:11:52AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote: > On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 04:47:35PM -0700, Dweeil Brock wrote: > > trying to rename a folder and recieve the following error message: > > > > Bare word "foldername" not allowed while "strict subs" in use > > Don't use 'rename' to move a single directory; use 'mv'. See 'man > rename' for what it does. I knew rename was for something else but I never used it. As I read how this command works, it is cool. For example, to rename all files matching "*.bak" to strip the exten- sion, you might say rename 's/\.bak$//' *.bak Perl expression is used here :) AUTHOR: Larry Wall -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: minimal installation
On Sun, Sep 14, 2003 at 07:20:38PM -0400, Ashley Graham wrote: > hello friends, > > i am trying to get a debian system on an old laptop i have copped from a > friend; it is rather old, but i couldn't give up the chance to install linux > on something else. > > the system is a compaq contura 430cx, it has a floppy drive ONLY. no cd-rom, > no network (it had a pcmcia modem thing, but i lost it), not even speakers. Is this PCMCIA connected floppy small PC? > i have tried the regular debian floppy installation, but it fails while > loading the ramdisk (no kernel panic, it simply stops). i tried the regular > kernel, the compact, and the bf24. :( > i have tried other floppy-based distro's, but they're floppy, and only > floppy, most don't allow access to the HD, and the others are either rescue > disks (which i don't need), or router/firewalls (which i also don't need). Did you manually mount like: # cd / # mkdir target # mount /dev/hda target > i also tried a slackware floppy installation, but received a kernel > panic:out of memory error, along with a hang. > > google keeps on popping up floppy-based distros, and none(that i've seen) > mention using the floppy to turn the laptop/pc into a workstation. > > in case you were wondering, i am planning on turing it into an easily > portable demo for friends, and a simple workstation for myself, something > easy to carry around notes, jot down ideas, simple stuff - nothing to grand. > > any help would be greately appreciated. If you have Serial or Parallel port on PC and another Linux PC, you should be able to connect to it through PPP. Then you have netaccess. Osamu > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Using Japanese (and Chinese) on an prodominantly english system
On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 05:19:49PM -0400, Travis Crump wrote: > Rebecca Dridan wrote: > >I've installed canna, kinput2-canna, and jvim, but I don't understand > >how to use them. I've installed japanese fonts and generated all the > >japanese locales I could find, although my normal LANG et al are set to > >C. Which locale settings do I need to change? All of them? Is there a > >setting that would allow english and japanese, or do I have to keep > >switching. (I don't understand locales very well) vim 6.1 should handle UTF-8 or EUC for Japanese. http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-tune.en.html#s-x-cjk > Probably not the best way, but how I do it: > > At a terminal: > $export LANG=ja_JP.eucJP > $export LC_MESSAGES=ja_JP.eucJP He want English here for sure :) $export LC_MESSAGES=en_US.ISO-8859-1 > $export LC_CTYPE=ja_JP.eucJP > $export [EMAIL PROTECTED] > $kinput2 -xim -kinput -canna & > $kterm -xim & > > And then I just basically leave that kterm open forever[it even survives > logouts/reboots, but I am not sure how I managed that] and use it > whenever I want to input japanase or start children off of it. You just > hit Shift+Space to start entering japanese, it is fairly obvious[if it > works]. > > My normal xterm is gnome-terminal 1.4, but kterm is the only xterm I've > got to work, others /may/ work. Oh, nobody mentioned but as I see Sarge ... Debian xterm package also comes with uxterm program: uxterm is a wrapper around the xterm(1) program that invokes the latter program with the "UXTerm" X resource class set. UXTerm*VT100*font: -Misc-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--18-120-100-100-C-90-ISO10646-1 UXTerm*VT100*wideFont: -Misc-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal-ja-18-120-100-100-C-180-ISO10646-1 This is nice font for Japanese. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ..chroot-installs onto RAID-1 disks ,was: Evolving Debian from Red Hat
On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 02:30:01AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 01:04:51 +0100, > "Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: ^^ Hmmm.. Karsten may have finally got DSL/cable ? :) > > So while I'd recommend a standard installation as first approach, a > > chroot install is a very handy trick to have up one's sleeve. > > ..ah, well. It looks like I need to learn how to roll my own > debootstrap, pointers? I'm plan to drop ipchains for mdadm > and other Raid tools. The definitive guide is: http://people.debian.org/~blade/install/ I wrote something too: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bind patch for TLD Wildcarding
On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 06:28:01AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > http://www.isc.org/products/BIND/delegation-only.html > > Would something like this be considered a "Security Fix" and get into > Bind9 for Stable? > > BTW -- is there a way in apt-cache or on the Debian site to see when a > package was uploaded? I also wish I could look at the Changelog(s) in > the package from either apt-cache or the Debian packages web interface. * What is the URL these days to just get a changelog? http://people.debian.org/~noel/changelogs/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ..chroot-installs onto RAID-1 disks ,was: Evolving Debian from Red Hat
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 02:13:40AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > The definitive guide is: > > http://people.debian.org/~blade/install/ > > > > I wrote something too: > > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot > > ..thanks, this helps me _use_ chroot and debootstrap, but > where do I find info on _customizing_ my own debootstrap? $ apt-get source debootstrap $ cd debootstrap* $ mc $ cp sarge yourown $ vim yourown something like this... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: realteck RTL 8193c module problem
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 06:51:52PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello, I compiled a kernel. And added the Realtek RTL 8139C module. > It does not show up when I boot up again. > > Also the ALi 5451 chipset driver does not show up. > > I have acer 630 laptop. > > I had troble putting in the nvidia graphic module. Now that got through but now > is this new problem. > > Anybody have a clue? What is the output of "lsmod"? Did you "insmod" or added module name to /etc/modules ? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian release schedule
On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 11:41:30AM -0700, Joseph Phillips wrote: > Anyone know when the next release of Debian is scheduled? "Bits from the RM" said So, it's time we start doing more than think about the next release. Since I'm all for aggressive goals, let's aim for sometime in December -- how about 2003-12-01 00:00:00 UTC? http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/debian-devel-announce-200308/msg00010.html > Anyone know when Gnome 2.4 will become a stable Debian package? Maybe well after above date. That is better asked to Gnome list as: When Gnome 2.4 will become stable ? :) Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: reuse apt-get cache
Hi, my neibour :-) On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 06:02:08PM +, Benedict Verheyen wrote: > i have a server and it has a quite extensive sources.list. Now i would > like to make a cron job that does "apt-get update" every so often and > then use that cache for my connected client so i don't have to download > the packages list again and thus use unnecessary bandwidth. 1) Why do "apt-get update", do "apt-get update; apt-get -d upgrade" 2) web cache ==> use squid 3) Always install not by CRON. But why have quite extensive sources.list for server. You should be running STABLE ! for server. > Ideally this would mean removing the entries in my local clients > sourceslist and have just 1 entry that points to my server's cached > packages list. > Is this possible and how can i do that? What? Sounds complicated. I thiught apt do not check unchenged files. > In the future i plan to make packages of my own scripts. Can i combine > those? I mean putting my packages in the cache of packages on the server > and thus also have them available for the pc's connected to my LAN? You can do this in many ways. But I found running squid to be most simple and flexible. I am thinking other ways for different reason... Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Base system
On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 01:56:22PM -0500, John Foster wrote: > Note: The first package that you should install from areas that are not > "reqiured" ; even if you are trying to maintain a small file system is > 'mc' (midnight commander) it will be your friend :-) AOL ... :) Maybe next is vim. Osamu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
