from:"Michael Fothergill"


Dear Debianists,

I tried installing Adobe Acrobat from a tarball and it doesn't seem to work. 
 It was a while ago now so I have forgotten exactly what I did and didn't 
do.


It seems a bit complex because it tries to put it in Iceweasel as plugin or 
something and also as a stand alone program at the same time or 
something...


I don't remember it being as complex as this in the past.

At a very dumb level is there an acrobat deb file somewhere that would be 
easy to install somewhere in the non free repository?


I have never used the non free repository.

How do I tell aptitude etc how to find it?

Then I can get the package from the internet.

Comments appreciated.

Regards

Michael Fothergill

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Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrobat....

From: Tommi Asiala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Michael Fothergill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrobat
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 20:52:50 +0300

Hi Michael,

To us to help you with the installing from tarball we would have to know
what you did. Your vague information on that part doesn't help.

OK.  I infer from this that there is no deb file and so you have to fart 
around with the tarball.

I suggest you should try this new thing called "Searching the web". It
can give you nice links to web pages such as:

http://wiki.debian.org/PDFViewers

I suspect the web doesn't say much about it other than Acrobat exists and 
where you download it.  If you go on the Adobe Linux download page it tells 
you something like

1. Download the tarball.

2. type tar -xvf adobe-overcomplexbloatnowbutfineayearago.tar

after unzipping it and follow the prompts and it will put the executable in 
the right bit of the file tree and everything will be OK etc.

It did all this but doesn't work if you run acroread.

It also took me some farting around to figure out which directory it put the 
acroread executable in so I could run it.

What would be useful is if I could do a magical untar command that would 
tidy it all up and remove all the directories and junk it created cleanly 
and then I could start again fresh and see of I could get it to work a 
second time.

Suggestions on good untar command would be useful.

The alternative is doing some kind of recursive rm command in the 
directories to get rid of everything and deleting the executable too and 
starting again.

My fear is I did something that confused it so some kind of permission 
problem or other voodoo meant that it couldn't see all the bits that it 
needs to fire up properly.

Thanks,

Michael Fothergill

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Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrobat....

From: Tommi Asiala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Michael Fothergill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrobat
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 21:30:00 +0300

Michael Fothergill wrote:
>> I suggest you should try this new thing called "Searching the web". It
>> can give you nice links to web pages such as:
>>
>> http://wiki.debian.org/PDFViewers
>
> I suspect the web doesn't say much about it other than Acrobat exists
> and where you download it.

Don't suspect, read the web page.

-Tom

OK, I see there IS a deb file and way to get at it

Sorry about that one.  I am such a fatalist. When I went on the Adobe site 
and saw an rpm download and a tarball I took that too mean that Fedora/Red 
Hat people can do a relatively simple install and everyone else uses the 
tarball.

I was wrong.  As Jesus said in the Bible "O, ye of little faith".  I need to 
have more faith first and then search the web.

Thanks.

Michael

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Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrobat....






From: Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrobat
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:37:23 -0500

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On 07/28/07 13:20, Michael Fothergill wrote:
>
>
>
>> From: Tommi Asiala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: Michael Fothergill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> CC: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>> Subject: Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrobat
>> Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 20:52:50 +0300
>>
>> Hi Michael,
>>
>> To us to help you with the installing from tarball we would have to 
know

>> what you did. Your vague information on that part doesn't help.
>
> OK.  I infer from this that there is no deb file and so you have to fart
> around with the tarball.

On the contrary.  Here's the sources.list entry:
deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org $BRANCH main

Then,
# apt-get update
# apt-get install debian-multimedia-keyring
# apt-get install acroread


OK, I did all this.  It worked OK but it didn't install acroread  So 
then I seached the web and it seemed to say that maybe there isn't a version 
of acroread for and AMD64 box (which I am using).


There is some chroot trick that can get the i386 deb file to work.

Perhaps the tarball had no chance after all.

But maybe I still have to little faith and I have been reading old web pages 
and there IS an amd64 acroread deb file after all



Comments appreciated.

Michael






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Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrobat....

From: Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrobat
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:47:24 -0400

On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 05:45:24PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
>
> I tried installing Adobe Acrobat from a tarball and it doesn't seem to
> work. It was a while ago now so I have forgotten exactly what I did and
>  didn't do.
>
> It seems a bit complex because it tries to put it in Iceweasel as plugin 
or

> something and also as a stand alone program at the same time or
> something...
>
> I don't remember it being as complex as this in the past.
>
> At a very dumb level is there an acrobat deb file somewhere that would 
be

> easy to install somewhere in the non free repository?
>

Hi Michael,

I see you've had quite a discussion already.

What is it about brand-name Acroread that you need?  I've never used it;
I use xpdf.  If I have any KDE apps installed, I'll use Kpdf.  I don't
like gnome apps so don't use evince.

Well it's rather an unusual thing.  I want to file accounts for a UK Limited 
company I run.  If you have access codes and passwords etc, then you can go 
on Companies House web site (http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk) and then you 
can submit the accounts on line. They give you a template file to download 
that is a pdf file.

It's a bit like the UK equivalent to the Department of Corporations in 
California.

You then edit it and put in your accounting information.  As far as I can 
see you are meant to do this with Adobe Acrobat...

Then I guess you upload it and submit it.

On Monday, I am going to see an accountant to work on the accounts.  We may 
end up producing them on paper and posting them to Companies House via snail 
mail and not bothering with the web filing.

But I may try it.  If I do it there then I will be doing it in a Windows 
type environment where Acrobat will be floating around  I will then see 
more clearly what you are meant to do in this electronic filing and then 
figure out the best way to Debianise any trace of non-free OSes or software 
out of the process...

I am cringing a little bit about putting my draft pdf template file 
downloaded from the  web site on the mailing list here as a file attachment 
that you could examine because it contains a little private info in it

But if it would help to see if other pdf software could modify it then I 
would do it

In California it costs $900 to register a limited company.  In the UK you 
can do it for $100 or less.  The annual filing fee is £15 on line (I think). 
 Nicer still would be online filing of accounts (no charge for this) using 
a free OS running free software to look at any pdf files and modify 
them..

Comments appreciated.

Regards

Michael Fothergill

Yes amd64 has a couple of things that don't work because the
closed-source apps aren't compiled for amd64.  I have a chroot for a
browser with adobe flash player.

The instructions in the amd64 howto/faq for setting up a chroot worked
reasonably well.  I installed schroot so that now its simple to make a
button for icewm that will run the browser in its chroot.

Once you have an ia32 chroot, you can put anything you like into it.

Good luck,

Doug.

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Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrobat....

2007-07-29 Thread Michael Fothergill

From: Douglas Allan Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: dumb question about aAdobe Acrobat
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 21:12:31 -0400

On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 11:39:18PM +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 15:57:11 -0500
> John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hello John,
>
> > Do you actually _need_ acroread?  Xpdf isn't good enough?
>
> IIRC, Xpdf doesn't have the ability to do form filling.  With acroread,
> you can fill out forms (they have to be set up to allow it, of course),
> and then print them, already filled in.  Obviously, you can't save the
> filled out form.
>
> With my cruddy handwriting, I need all the help I can get.   :-)

Sounds like a crazy propriatary scheme.  Whatever happened to sending
out the Latex of a document.  Recipients can latex it to view it, make
changes, get it right, then email the latex back.

Nevertheless it was chosen by the UK authorities as a method of filing 
accounts electronically.

As for printing but not saving an altered pdf, can't you print to file
(or get your print spooler to do it) so that you have a ps of the pdf?
Burst the ps pages apart, turn them into eps, encorporate them into your
latex document and away you go.

I am not interested in printing it.  Just editing it and submitting it and 
filing the accounts.

It may be that I could do it with an ordinary editor

Adobe just had to reinvent their own wheel, convince everyone else that
it was the only wheel around (so to speak) and make life difficult for
us.

Doug.

That may be in part true.  But there are a very large number of companies 
registered here and so a way of avoiding Adobe software is probably useful 
if I can figure it out and then point it out to others.

Even if it is a slightly funny work around.

Who knows, maybe I will discover some useful information in doing this that 
you can't find  already by searching the web after all

Or maybe not.

Regards

Michael Fothergill

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dumb question about using php

2007-08-07 Thread Michael Fothergill


Dear Debianists

I downloaded a small free software from the following location:

http://webscripts.softpedia.com/script/Scientific-Engineering-Ruby/Chemistry/McCabe-Thiele-Method-for-an-Ideal-Binary-Mixture-31835.html

I unzipped it and three little files appeared.

Two look like PHP files.  They have the file extension .m.

The other file is a gif file and is probably some sample graphical output.

My dumb question for the day is:


How do I call up php e.g. at a terminal window and then get it to execute 
the .m files?


Is php automatically installed in a bog standard etch desktop installation?

Comments appreciated.

Regards

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is the java-gcj-compat-plugin 1.0.65-10 a good choice for AMD64 and Iceweasel?

2007-08-07 Thread Michael Fothergill


Dear Debianists,

I am trying to run some distillation simulation applets

I needed to install some kind of Java plugin into Iceweasel in order to run 
them.


I went in Synaptic and installed the java-gcj-compat-plugin 1.0.65-10 deb 
file.


It does seem to work at least reasonably well..

I went on the web and searched around and found that sites such as blackdown 
etc have Sun or IBM Java files for Debian and there also seem to be some 
files on the debian.org pages.


I am I ok with the plugin I am using or would you recommend something 
better?


I am using Debian AMD64 Etch 4.0 (r0) on an AMD64 box.

Regards

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problem with java-gcj-compat-plugin on distillation applet.....

2007-08-09 Thread Michael Fothergill


Dear Debianists,

I run Debian AMD64 Etch 4.0 (r0) on an AMD64 Sempron 3200 box.

I use Iceweasel and I recently installed java-gcj-compat-plugin from 
synaptic.  I then went to the following site:



http://tierling.home.texas.net/

This guy has generously put a bunch of java applets on the site than can 
simulate various engineering pieces of kit.


I went on there and ran some of the applets.  The vessel volume one worked 
fine.  It has a final line at the bottom with a calculate button and a print 
ready button.



The calculate button allows you to run the volume calculation again after 
changing the parameters in the above buttons for the vessel.


You get sensible results when you change the parameters.

But if you go on the distillation simulation there is a problem.

The applet runs BUT it does not produce the last line at the bottom which 
should have a similar calculate and print ready buttons.


This means that you can't rerun the calculation with new parameters etc.  In 
effect the applet is useless


I wondered if there could be a problem with the java plugin I was using. So 
I found an IT guy at work who uses Internet explorer plus java plugin and 
Windows etc and looked on the same web page and ran the applet for the 
distillation simulation.


It worked.

I got the final calculate and print ready buttons.

He thought I needed to upgrade the java I am using.

I wondered if it meant that the java-gcj-compat-plugin deb file has an error 
in it somewhere.


Comments appreciated.

I am now thinking of using e.g. the Sun Java deb file or whatever it is.

I looked on the internet and found a page 
(http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142)  that says you do:


1. fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_03-linux-i586.bin

2. dpkg -i sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update03_i386.deb

3. ln -s /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so \
 ~/.mozilla/plugins/

You get the java from http://java.sun.com.

Is this correct or am I out of date?


I assume I have to do aptitude uninstall  java-gcj-compat-plugin first.

Regards

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RE: problem with java-gcj-compat-plugin on distillation applet.....

2007-08-09 Thread Michael Fothergill

From: "Michael Fothergill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: problem with java-gcj-compat-plugin on distillation applet.
Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 19:39:35 +

Dear Debianists,

I run Debian AMD64 Etch 4.0 (r0) on an AMD64 Sempron 3200 box.

I use Iceweasel and I recently installed java-gcj-compat-plugin from 
synaptic.  I then went to the following site:

http://tierling.home.texas.net/

This guy has generously put a bunch of java applets on the site than can 
simulate various engineering pieces of kit.

I went on there and ran some of the applets.  The vessel volume one worked 
fine.  It has a final line at the bottom with a calculate button and a 
print ready button.

The calculate button allows you to run the volume calculation again after 
changing the parameters in the above buttons for the vessel.

You get sensible results when you change the parameters.

But if you go on the distillation simulation there is a problem.

The applet runs BUT it does not produce the last line at the bottom which 
should have a similar calculate and print ready buttons.

This means that you can't rerun the calculation with new parameters etc.  
In effect the applet is useless

I wondered if there could be a problem with the java plugin I was using. So 
I found an IT guy at work who uses Internet explorer plus java plugin and 
Windows etc and looked on the same web page and ran the applet for the 
distillation simulation.

It worked.

I got the final calculate and print ready buttons.

He thought I needed to upgrade the java I am using.

I wondered if it meant that the java-gcj-compat-plugin deb file has an 
error in it somewhere.

Comments appreciated.

I am now thinking of using e.g. the Sun Java deb file or whatever it is.

I looked on the internet and found a page 
(http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142)  that says you do:

1. fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_03-linux-i586.bin

Except that it will be AMD64.bin not i586.bin etc

2. dpkg -i sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update03_i386.deb

Same here

3. ln -s /usr/lib/j2re1.5-sun/plugin/i386/ns7/libjavaplugin_oji.so \
 ~/.mozilla/plugins/

and here

You get the java from http://java.sun.com.

Is this correct or am I out of date?

I assume I have to do aptitude uninstall  java-gcj-compat-plugin first.

Regards

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problem making symbolic link to blackdown amd64 java plugin library file...


Dear Debianists,


I use Etch 4.0 (r0) AMD64 version on a AMD64 box.  I use Iceweasel.

I removed the gcj java plugin from my browser I had been using because it 
could not run applet properly .


I then downloaded the amd64 version of blackdown j2re-1.4.2-03.

I then followed the instructions for installing it.

I moved the file into the /usr/local directory.

I then ran
chmod +x j2re-1.4.2-03-linux-amd64.bin

I then did


./j2re-1.4.2-03-linux-amd64.bin


and installed the java files

BUT

I did all this as root..

Was that naughty?  If it was does anyone know how I uninstall it and start 
again as a user?


I then (still root) did the symbolic link assignment.

ln -s /usr/local/j2re1.4.2/plugin/amd64/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so \ 
/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/


I got the following error message:

localhost:/usr/local# ln -s 
/usr/local/j2re1.4.2/plugin/amd64/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so \ 
/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
ln: creating symbolic link ` /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins' to 
`/usr/local/j2re1.4.2/plugin/amd64/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so': No such 
file or directory

localhost:/usr/local#

I wondered if I had a spelling error etc so I did

localhost:/usr/local# ls -l 
/usr/local/j2re1.4.2/plugin/amd64/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 246608 2005-11-23 21:15 
/usr/local/j2re1.4.2/plugin/amd64/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so

localhost:/usr/local#

It seemed to find the file.

But then I began to wonder that installing as root not a user had made the 
plugin library file belong to root and its group and maybe this caused some  
kind of permission problem that made the ln -s command not work.


Comments welcome here.

I went in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins to see what was there:

drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-08-11 13:40 plugins
localhost:/usr/lib/mozilla# cd plugins
localhost:/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins# ls -l
total 0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 36 2007-03-23 23:02 libtotem-basic-plugin.so -> 
../../totem/libtotem-basic-plugin.so
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 37 2007-03-23 23:02 libtotem-basic-plugin.xpt -> 
../../totem/libtotem-basic-plugin.xpt
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 38 2007-03-23 23:02 libtotem-complex-plugin.so -> 
../../totem/libtotem-complex-plugin.so
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 39 2007-03-23 23:02 libtotem-complex-plugin.xpt -> 
../../totem/libtotem-complex-plugin.xpt
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 34 2007-03-23 23:02 libtotem-gmp-plugin.so -> 
../../totem/libtotem-gmp-plugin.so
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 2007-03-23 23:02 libtotem-gmp-plugin.xpt -> 
../../totem/libtotem-gmp-plugin.xpt
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 36 2007-03-23 23:02 libtotem-mully-plugin.so -> 
../../totem/libtotem-mully-plugin.so
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 37 2007-03-23 23:02 libtotem-mully-plugin.xpt -> 
../../totem/libtotem-mully-plugin.xpt
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 42 2007-03-23 23:02 libtotem-narrowspace-plugin.so -> 
../../totem/libtotem-narrowspace-plugin.so
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 43 2007-03-23 23:02 libtotem-narrowspace-plugin.xpt 
-> ../../totem/libtotem-narrowspace-plugin.xpt

localhost:/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins#

Comments appreciated on fixing this.

Regards

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RE: problem making symbolic link to blackdown (fixed) but a now a new problem..

From: "Michael Fothergill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: problem making symbolic link to blackdown amd64 java plugin 
library file...

Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:17:32 +

Dear Debianists,

I use Etch 4.0 (r0) AMD64 version on a AMD64 box.  I use Iceweasel.

I removed the gcj java plugin from my browser I had been using because it 
could not run applet properly .

I then downloaded the amd64 version of blackdown j2re-1.4.2-03.

I then followed the instructions for installing it.

I moved the file into the /usr/local directory.

I then ran
chmod +x j2re-1.4.2-03-linux-amd64.bin

I then did

./j2re-1.4.2-03-linux-amd64.bin

and installed the java files

BUT

I did all this as root..

Was that naughty?  If it was does anyone know how I uninstall it and start 
again as a user?

I then (still root) did the symbolic link assignment.

ln -s /usr/local/j2re1.4.2/plugin/amd64/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so \ 
/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/

I got the following error message:

localhost:/usr/local# ln -s 
/usr/local/j2re1.4.2/plugin/amd64/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so \ 
/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
ln: creating symbolic link ` /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins' to 
`/usr/local/j2re1.4.2/plugin/amd64/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so': No such 
file or directory

localhost:/usr/local#

I wondered if I had a spelling error etc so I did

localhost:/usr/local# ls -l 
/usr/local/j2re1.4.2/plugin/amd64/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 246608 2005-11-23 21:15 
/usr/local/j2re1.4.2/plugin/amd64/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so

localhost:/usr/local#

It seemed to find the file.

But then I began to wonder that installing as root not a user had made the 
plugin library file belong to root and its group and maybe this caused some 
 kind of permission problem that made the ln -s command not work.

Comments welcome here.

I went in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins to see what was there:

drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-08-11 13:40 plugins
localhost:/usr/lib/mozilla# cd plugins
localhost:/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins# ls -l
total 0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 36 2007-03-23 23:02 libtotem-basic-plugin.so -> 
../../totem/libtotem-basic-plugin.so
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 37 2007-03-23 23:02 libtotem-basic-plugin.xpt -> 
../../totem/libtotem-basic-plugin.xpt
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 38 2007-03-23 23:02 libtotem-complex-plugin.so -> 
../../totem/libtotem-complex-plugin.so
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 39 2007-03-23 23:02 libtotem-complex-plugin.xpt -> 
../../totem/libtotem-complex-plugin.xpt
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 34 2007-03-23 23:02 libtotem-gmp-plugin.so -> 
../../totem/libtotem-gmp-plugin.so
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 2007-03-23 23:02 libtotem-gmp-plugin.xpt -> 
../../totem/libtotem-gmp-plugin.xpt
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 36 2007-03-23 23:02 libtotem-mully-plugin.so -> 
../../totem/libtotem-mully-plugin.so
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 37 2007-03-23 23:02 libtotem-mully-plugin.xpt -> 
../../totem/libtotem-mully-plugin.xpt
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 42 2007-03-23 23:02 libtotem-narrowspace-plugin.so 
-> ../../totem/libtotem-narrowspace-plugin.so
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 43 2007-03-23 23:02 libtotem-narrowspace-plugin.xpt 
-> ../../totem/libtotem-narrowspace-plugin.xpt

localhost:/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins#

Comments appreciated on fixing this.

Wait a minute Forget all this.  I read the documentation for a generic 
install from the blackdown site and forgot about the debian installation 
process.

I deleted the manual installation I did.

I did

apt-get install java-package

I then did the fakeroot command:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/java/blackdown$ fakeroot make-jpkg 
j2re-1.4.2-03-linux-amd64.bin

Creating temporary directory: /tmp/make-jpkg.Gdifk15787
Loading plugins: blackdown-j2re.sh blackdown-j2sdk.sh common.sh ibm-j2re.sh 
ibm-j2sdk.sh j2re.sh j2sdk-doc.sh j2sdk.sh j2se.sh sun-j2re.sh 
sun-j2sdk-doc.sh sun-j2sdk.sh

Detected Debian build architecture: amd64
Detected Debian GNU type: x86_64-linux-gnu

No matching plugin was found.
Removing temporary directory: done
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/java/blackdown$ ls
INSTALL-j2re  j2re-1.4.2-03-linux-amd64.bin  
j2re-1.4.2-03-linux-amd64.bin.sign  LICENSE  README

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/java/blackdown$

It didn't make the deb file

What is this missing matching plugin?

Does anyone know?

Regards

Michael Fothergill

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RE: problem making symbolic link to blackdown (fixed) but a now a new problem..

From: "Michael Fothergill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: RE: problem making symbolic link to blackdown (fixed) but a now a 
new problem..

Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 15:56:12 +0000

From: "Michael Fothergill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: problem making symbolic link to blackdown amd64 java plugin 
library file...

Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 13:17:32 +

Dear Debianists,

I use Etch 4.0 (r0) AMD64 version on a AMD64 box.  I use Iceweasel.

I removed the gcj java plugin from my browser I had been using because it 
could not run applet properly .

I then downloaded the amd64 version of blackdown j2re-1.4.2-03.

I then followed the instructions for installing it.

I moved the file into the /usr/local directory.

I then ran
chmod +x j2re-1.4.2-03-linux-amd64.bin

I then did

./j2re-1.4.2-03-linux-amd64.bin

and installed the java files

BUT

I did all this as root..

Was that naughty?  If it was does anyone know how I uninstall it and start 
again as a user?

I then (still root) did the symbolic link assignment.

ln -s /usr/local/j2re1.4.2/plugin/amd64/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so \ 
/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/

I got the following error message:

localhost:/usr/local# ln -s 
/usr/local/j2re1.4.2/plugin/amd64/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so \ 
/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
ln: creating symbolic link ` /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins' to 
`/usr/local/j2re1.4.2/plugin/amd64/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so': No such 
file or directory

localhost:/usr/local#

I wondered if I had a spelling error etc so I did

localhost:/usr/local# ls -l 
/usr/local/j2re1.4.2/plugin/amd64/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 246608 2005-11-23 21:15 
/usr/local/j2re1.4.2/plugin/amd64/mozilla/libjavaplugin_oji.so

localhost:/usr/local#

It seemed to find the file.

But then I began to wonder that installing as root not a user had made the 
plugin library file belong to root and its group and maybe this caused 
some  kind of permission problem that made the ln -s command not work.

Comments welcome here.

I went in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins to see what was there:

drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2007-08-11 13:40 plugins
localhost:/usr/lib/mozilla# cd plugins
localhost:/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins# ls -l
total 0
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 36 2007-03-23 23:02 libtotem-basic-plugin.so -> 
../../totem/libtotem-basic-plugin.so
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 37 2007-03-23 23:02 libtotem-basic-plugin.xpt -> 
../../totem/libtotem-basic-plugin.xpt
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 38 2007-03-23 23:02 libtotem-complex-plugin.so -> 
../../totem/libtotem-complex-plugin.so
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 39 2007-03-23 23:02 libtotem-complex-plugin.xpt -> 
../../totem/libtotem-complex-plugin.xpt
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 34 2007-03-23 23:02 libtotem-gmp-plugin.so -> 
../../totem/libtotem-gmp-plugin.so
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 35 2007-03-23 23:02 libtotem-gmp-plugin.xpt -> 
../../totem/libtotem-gmp-plugin.xpt
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 36 2007-03-23 23:02 libtotem-mully-plugin.so -> 
../../totem/libtotem-mully-plugin.so
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 37 2007-03-23 23:02 libtotem-mully-plugin.xpt -> 
../../totem/libtotem-mully-plugin.xpt
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 42 2007-03-23 23:02 libtotem-narrowspace-plugin.so 
-> ../../totem/libtotem-narrowspace-plugin.so
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 43 2007-03-23 23:02 libtotem-narrowspace-plugin.xpt 
-> ../../totem/libtotem-narrowspace-plugin.xpt

localhost:/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins#

Comments appreciated on fixing this.

Wait a minute Forget all this.  I read the documentation for a generic 
install from the blackdown site and forgot about the debian installation 
process.

I deleted the manual installation I did.

I did

apt-get install java-package

I then did the fakeroot command:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/java/blackdown$ fakeroot make-jpkg 
j2re-1.4.2-03-linux-amd64.bin

Creating temporary directory: /tmp/make-jpkg.Gdifk15787
Loading plugins: blackdown-j2re.sh blackdown-j2sdk.sh common.sh ibm-j2re.sh 
ibm-j2sdk.sh j2re.sh j2sdk-doc.sh j2sdk.sh j2se.sh sun-j2re.sh 
sun-j2sdk-doc.sh sun-j2sdk.sh

Detected Debian build architecture: amd64
Detected Debian GNU type: x86_64-linux-gnu

No matching plugin was found.
Removing temporary directory: done
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/java/blackdown$ ls
INSTALL-j2re  j2re-1.4.2-03-linux-amd64.bin  
j2re-1.4.2-03-linux-amd64.bin.sign  LICENSE  README

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/java/blackdown$

It didn't make the deb file

What is this missing matching plugin?

Does anyone know?

I note from one web page I have read that the "no matching plugin was found" 
can occur with the make-jpkg command if you are using an old version of 
java-package.

THis was defined as older than 0.24.   I am using 0.28.

Regards

Michael Fothergill

Regards

Michael Fothergill

Regards

Michael Fothergill
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RE: problem making symbolic link to blackdown SOLVED but now applet still fails.







Wait a minute Forget all this.  I read the documentation for a generic 
install from the blackdown site and forgot about the debian installation 
process.


I deleted the manual installation I did.

I did

apt-get install java-package

I then did the fakeroot command:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/java/blackdown$ fakeroot make-jpkg 
j2re-1.4.2-03-linux-amd64.bin

Creating temporary directory: /tmp/make-jpkg.Gdifk15787
Loading plugins: blackdown-j2re.sh blackdown-j2sdk.sh common.sh 
ibm-j2re.sh ibm-j2sdk.sh j2re.sh j2sdk-doc.sh j2sdk.sh j2se.sh sun-j2re.sh 
sun-j2sdk-doc.sh sun-j2sdk.sh


Detected Debian build architecture: amd64
Detected Debian GNU type: x86_64-linux-gnu

No matching plugin was found.
Removing temporary directory: done
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/java/blackdown$ ls
INSTALL-j2re  j2re-1.4.2-03-linux-amd64.bin  
j2re-1.4.2-03-linux-amd64.bin.sign  LICENSE  README



OK, I fixed the problem.  I installed j2re-1.4.2-01-linux-amd64.bin instead 
of the 03 version with make-jpkg and the java has correctly installed.



I then went to the distillation applet web site I mentioned in an earlier 
posting to see if I could get the applet to work that failed to work 
properly with the gcj plugin I got with the standard amd64 Etch 
installation..


Sadly I got the same error as before.

If you go to this web site:

http://tierling.home.texas.net/

and go on the vessel volume applet you get a nice bunch of boxes that you 
can enter numbers in with a calculate button underneath them.


You can run the applet over and over again changing the parameters in it and 
getting different volumes for the vessel.


I think its a good example of what an applet can do.

But the distillation applet doesn't work properly.

The blue calculate button at the bottom of the window is not created.  So 
you can't re run the applet with new parameters in it.


So the applet is useless.

If you run the applet in e.g. Internet Explorer on Windows then the 
calculate button is created..


Something is wrong with the java we are using in the gcj and blackdown 
plugins we are using in Etch AMD64 land.


Either that or MR Tierling's java is a little wonky in some subtle way so 
that the plugins don't read it correctly except in Windows land.


I will have to run this applet on my pals Windows box

Never mind.

Regards

Michael Fothergill
























[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/java/blackdown$

It didn't make the deb file

What is this missing matching plugin?

Does anyone know?


I note from one web page I have read that the "no matching plugin was 
found" can occur with the make-jpkg command if you are using an old version 
of java-package.


THis was defined as older than 0.24.   I am using 0.28.

Regards

Michael Fothergill





Regards

Michael Fothergill











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problem running distillation simulation applet with amd64 java.....

From: "Michael Fothergill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: problem running distillation simulation applet with amd64 
java.

Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:41:27 +0000

From: "Michael Fothergill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: problem running distillation simulation applet with amd64 
java.

Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 17:22:14 +

Dear Debian Java folks,

I run Etch 4.0 r(0) on

I use Iceweasel and I recently installed java-gcj-compat-plugin from 
synaptic.  I then went to the following web site:

http://tierling.home.texas.net/

This guy has generously put a bunch of java applets on the site than can 
simulate various engineering pieces of kit.

I went on there and ran some of the applets.  The vessel volume one worked 
fine.  It has a final line at the bottom with a calculate button and a 
print ready button.

The calculate button allows you to run the volume calculation again after 
changing the parameters in the above buttons for the vessel.

You get sensible results when you change the parameters.

But if you go on the distillation simulation there is a problem.

The applet runs BUT it does not produce the last line at the bottom which 
should have a similar calculate and print ready buttons.

This means that you can't rerun the calculation with new parameters etc.  
In effect the applet is useless

I wondered if there could be a problem with the java plugin I was using. 
So I found an IT guy at work who uses Internet explorer plus java plugin 
and Windows etc and looked on the same web page and ran the applet for the 
distillation simulation.

It worked.

I got the final calculate and print ready buttons.

He thought I needed to upgrade the java I am using.

I wondered if it meant that the java-gcj-compat-plugin deb file has an 
error in it somewhere.

So removed the  java-gcj-compat-plugin using synaptic and then I 
downloaded the amd64 jre file from the blackdown site (version 01) and 
installed it with the java-package fakeroot make-jpkg commands etc and 
then installed the deb file that I made from it with the dpkg command.

I then went back on Shane Tierling's web site and tried the distillation 
applet again.  I still get exactly the same problem.

Something is wrong with the java we are using in the gcj and blackdown 
plugins we are using in Etch AMD64 land.

Either that or MR Tierling's java is a little wonky in some subtle way so 
that the plugins don't read it correctly except in Windows land.

I will have to run this applet on my pals Windows box

Never mind.

Unless you java folks have a way to get this applet to work.

Comments appreciated.

Regards

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installing gnash on amd64 etch...

2007-08-12 Thread Michael Fothergill


Dear Debianists,

I downloaded the latest gnash deb file for amd64 etch.  I tried to install 
it but I need some more recent libraries etc before it will work


localhost:/home/mikef/gnash# dpkg -i 
gnash_0.8.0~cvs20070611.1016-1+b1_amd64.deb Selecting previously deselected 
package gnash.

(Reading database ... 109853 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking gnash (from gnash_0.8.0~cvs20070611.1016-1+b1_amd64.deb) ...
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of gnash:
gnash depends on libc6 (>= 2.6-1); however:
 Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.6.ds1-13.
gnash depends on libgcc1 (>= 1:4.2-20070516); however:
 Version of libgcc1 on system is 1:4.1.1-21.
gnash depends on libgnash0 (= 0.8.0~cvs20070611.1016-1+b1); however:
 Package libgnash0 is not installed.
gnash depends on libstdc++6 (>= 4.2-20070516); however:
 Version of libstdc++6 on system is 4.1.1-21.
dpkg: error processing gnash (--install):
dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing:
gnash
localhost:/home/mikef/gnash#

If I dig around in the debian packages and find later versions of libc6 and 
libgcc etc so that gnash will install will it be reasonably safe adding 
stuff from unstable to the etch release I am using?


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amd64 etch nspluginwrapper and adobe flash...

2007-08-12 Thread Michael Fothergill


Dear Debianists,

Thank you for advising me not to use gnash in Etch...

I searched on the web and found some people with a method of getting Adobe 
Flashplayer working on an amd64 Debian system.


These people are at http://www.dipconsultants.com

Here is what they recommend:

**

Unofficial nspluginwrapper & ia32-libs-gtk packages for Etch

--

First things first, as root:

   * Add repository to sources.list:
 o echo "deb http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian etch main" >> 
/etc/apt/sources.list

   * apt-get update
   * Install the keyring so you're not bothered with key/verification 
warnings:

 o apt-get install markybob-keyring
   * apt-get update once more
   * Install what you want:
 o apt-get install ia32-libs-gtk nspluginwrapper

If you're looking to install Flash in a 64-bit browser:

   * Do *every* step listed above, then the following as a *user*, not 
root:
   * wget 
http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz

   * tar -zxf install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz
   * mv install_flash_player_9_linux/flashplayer.xpt 
install_flash_player_9_linux/libflashplayer.so ~/.mozilla/plugins/

   * nspluginwrapper -i ~/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
   * Start/restart iceweasel/firefox/whatever
   * Enjoy, Etch 64-bit users, from the guys at dipconsultants.com :)

Has anyone tried this yet?

Is this a good idea?

Regards

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Re: installing gnash on amd64 etch...

2007-08-12 Thread Michael Fothergill





/gnash#

>
> If I dig around in the debian packages and find later versions of libc6
> and libgcc etc so that gnash will install will it be reasonably safe
> adding stuff from unstable to the etch release I am using?

NO!  Installing Unstable (and often Testing) packages onto Stable is
a grand invitation to instability.


Thanks for the advice.  I will keep my nose out of gnash unless I decide at 
some point to install debian testing (Lenny) etc...


Regards

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dumb question about mozilla plugin directory location....


Dear Debianists,

I downloaded flashplayer9.

I downloaded it to my home directory /home/mikef/

I then did tar -zxf on it and it nicely made a little directory with 
flashplayer in it in my /home/mikef directory..


So far so good.

I then followed an instruction from a web site to put the flashplayer lib 
file in the moziila plugins directory


It went like this:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ mv install_flash_player_9_linux/flashplayer.xpt 
install_flash_player_9_linux/libflashplayer.so ~/.mozilla/plugins/
mv: target `/home/mikef/.mozilla/plugins/' is not a directory: No such file 
or directory

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$


As you can see it didn't work. I am not so confident about this 
~/.mozilla/plugins/ stuff


What does that do again?

I tried searching the web but I can't find the full length path link to 
where these files are supposed to go to.


A hint to fix this command would be helpful.

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Re: dumb question about mozilla plugin directory location....






From: "Andrew J. Barr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Fothergill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: dumb question about mozilla plugin directory location
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:20:35 -0400

On 8/13/07, Michael Fothergill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dear Debianists,
>
> I downloaded flashplayer9.
>
> I downloaded it to my home directory /home/mikef/
>
> I then did tar -zxf on it and it nicely made a little directory with
> flashplayer in it in my /home/mikef directory..

Is there any reason you didn't use the non-free repository and then
apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree?


I haven't tried that.  I am using amd64 Etch by the way.  What is the apt 
source path name for the non free repository?


Regards

Michael Fothergill


> So far so good.
>
> I then followed an instruction from a web site to put the flashplayer 
lib

> file in the moziila plugins directory
>
> It went like this:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ mv install_flash_player_9_linux/flashplayer.xpt
> install_flash_player_9_linux/libflashplayer.so ~/.mozilla/plugins/
> mv: target `/home/mikef/.mozilla/plugins/' is not a directory: No such 
file

> or directory
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$
>
>
> As you can see it didn't work. I am not so confident about this
> ~/.mozilla/plugins/ stuff
>
> What does that do again?
>
> I tried searching the web but I can't find the full length path link to
> where these files are supposed to go to.
>
> A hint to fix this command would be helpful.
>
> Regards
>
> Michael Fothergill
>
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Re: dumb question about mozilla plugin directory location....

From: "Andrew J. Barr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Michael Fothergill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: dumb question about mozilla plugin directory location
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:43:37 -0400

On 8/13/07, Michael Fothergill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I haven't tried that.  I am using amd64 Etch by the way.

Ah, important detail. You need to read up on nspluginwrapper, and
you'll need to do manual installation because the amd64 flashplugin
package appeared post-etch. You may be able to use backports.org, they
have instructions on their web site.

Thanks,  I have just got flash player working..

I did the following stuff recommended by some helpful guys at 
http://www.dipconsultants.com:

First things first, as root:

   * Add repository to sources.list:
 o echo "deb http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian etch main" >> 
/etc/apt/sources.list

   * apt-get update
   * Install the keyring so you're not bothered with key/verification 
warnings:

 o apt-get install markybob-keyring
   * apt-get update once more
   * Install what you want:
 o apt-get install ia32-libs-gtk nspluginwrapper

If you're looking to install Flash in a 64-bit browser:

   * Do *every* step listed above, then the following as a *user*, not 
root:
   * wget 
http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz

   * tar -zxf install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz

It worked fine up to here

   * mv install_flash_player_9_linux/flashplayer.xpt 
install_flash_player_9_linux/libflashplayer.so ~/.mozilla/plugins/

Instead of this I did mv install_flash_player_9_linux/flashplayer.xpt 
install_flash_player_9_linux/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/

NOT as a user as root

   * nspluginwrapper -i ~/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so

I didn't do the above one either;

I did nspluginwrapper -i /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
NOT as a user as root

   * Start/restart iceweasel/firefox/whatever
   * Enjoy, Etch 64-bit users, from the guys at dipconsultants.com :)

Everything else was the same.

Now flashplayer 9 works on my 64 bit Iceweasel browser.

I want a Nobel Prize.

Thanks

Michael Fothergill

I tried flashplayer-mozilla or whatever it is.  It doesn't work as far as I 
can see unless you are running Sid or Lenny or something because you can't 
install the latest nspluginwrapper in etch without dependency problems that 
I think would be dodgy because you would be veering out of etch into 
something chaotic.

Or something like that.

But this worked.

Java is still crap here on Shane Tierlings distillation web site

Never mind.

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way of getting flashplayer9 to work in amd64 etch....


Dear Debianists

I have just got flashplayer9  working on Iceweasel in amd64 etch.

I did the following stuff recommended by some helpful guys at 
http://www.dipconsultants.com:


First things first, as root:

  * Add repository to sources.list:
o echo "deb http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian etch main" >> 
/etc/apt/sources.list

  * apt-get update
  * Install the keyring so you're not bothered with key/verification 
warnings:

o apt-get install markybob-keyring
  * apt-get update once more
  * Install what you want:
o apt-get install ia32-libs-gtk nspluginwrapper

If you're looking to install Flash in a 64-bit browser:

  * Do *every* step listed above, then the following as a *user*, not root:
* wget 
http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz

  * tar -zxf install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz

It worked fine up to here

  * mv install_flash_player_9_linux/flashplayer.xpt 
install_flash_player_9_linux/libflashplayer.so ~/.mozilla/plugins/


Instead of this I did mv install_flash_player_9_linux/flashplayer.xpt 
install_flash_player_9_linux/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/

NOT as a user as root

  * nspluginwrapper -i ~/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so

I didn't do the above one either;

I did nspluginwrapper -i /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
NOT as a user as root

  * Start/restart iceweasel/firefox/whatever
  * Enjoy, Etch 64-bit users, from the guys at dipconsultants.com :)

Everything else was the same.


Now flashplayer 9 works on my 64 bit Iceweasel browser.


Thanks

Michael Fothergill

I tried flashplayer-mozilla or whatever it is.  It doesn't work as far as I 
can see unless you are running Sid or Lenny or something because you can't 
install the latest nspluginwrapper in etch without dependency problems that 
I think would be dodgy because you would be veering out of etch into 
something chaotic.


Or something like that.

But this worked.

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using apt to upgrade from etch r0 ro r1...

2007-08-18 Thread Michael Fothergill


Dear Debianists,

My apt sources.list file is as follows:

localhost:/home/mikef# more /etc/apt/sources.list
#
# deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Etch_ - Official Snapshot amd64 
Binary-1 (20061110)]/ etch contrib main


deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-3 
20070407-12:15]/ etch contrib main
deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-2 
20070407-12:15]/ etch contrib main
deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r0 _Etch_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 
20070407-12:15]/ etch contrib main
deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Etch_ - Official Beta amd64 DVD 
Binary-3 20070317-22:49]/ etch contrib main
deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Etch_ - Official Beta amd64 DVD 
Binary-2 20070317-22:49]/ etch contrib main
deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Etch_ - Official Beta amd64 DVD 
Binary-1 20070317-22:49]/ etch contrib main
deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Etch_ - Official Snapshot amd64 
Binary-3 (20061110)]/ etch contrib main
deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Etch_ - Official Snapshot amd64 
Binary-2 (20061110)]/ etch contrib main
deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux testing _Etch_ - Official Snapshot amd64 
Binary-1 (20061110)]/ etch contrib main


deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main


# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
# deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib
# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
# deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib








deb http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian etch main
localhost:/home/mikef#


Can I add:

deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/

to the file and then do e.g. apt-get dist-upgrade in order to download the 
r1 modifications to the amd64 Etch 4.0 r0 I am currently using?



Do I need a bit more than this to do it?

Regards

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installing java plugin in browsers other than Iceweasel in amd64 etch

2007-08-19 Thread Michael Fothergill


Dear Debianists,

I use Debian Etch 4.0 r1 (amd64) on an amd64 box.  I use Iceweasel.  I 
installed the gcj java plugin that is available as a deb file into Iceweasel 
and it works after a fashion.


But not perfectly.  I have found that a number of distillation calculation 
applets I have used don't work at all or not properly.


I found this by comparing the results of running the applets in a WIndows 
environment that an IT manager I know uses..


They all work correctly for him.

I then went to the Blackdown site and replaced the gcj plugin with the amd64 
java plugin that Blackdown provide.


It took quite a bit of farting around to achieve this.

What is interesting (at least to me) is that the errors in the applets are 
identical whether I am using the gcj plugin or the Blackdown plugin..


I mentioned this to the IT guy.  He wondered whether the java I am using 
might actually be fine, but something in the browser is preventing the 
applets from being displayed properly.


He suggested trying a different browser.

I assume (and please could you confirm) that the code in for the gcj java 
plugin and the Blackdown plugin are different enough from each other that 
they wouldn't necessarily produce exactly the same errors in the display and 
functioning of these applets.


If that is true then perhaps it is indirect evidence that there is something 
not quite right with the browser in some way.


If this is the case, what other browsers are there available in etch 4.0 
amd64 land (Epiphany is one I think) and in particular which ones are 
different enough to Iceweasel in code and java display technology that I 
might expect to get different (maybe better) results with these applets in 
my case?


The gcj deb file seems to be automatically installed in Iceweasel.  How do 
you get apt to install it in e.g. Epiphany or other browsers?


Comments appreciated

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Re: installing java plugin in browsers other than Iceweasel in amd64 etch

2007-08-19 Thread Michael Fothergill

From: "Douglas A. Tutty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: installing java plugin in browsers other than Iceweasel in 
amd64 etch

Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:06:24 -0400

On Sun, Aug 19, 2007 at 06:56:08PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
[snip stuff I know nothing about]
> If this is the case, what other browsers are there available in etch 4.0
> amd64 land (Epiphany is one I think) and in particular which ones are
> different enough to Iceweasel in code and java display technology that I
> might expect to get different (maybe better) results with these applets 
in

> my case?

What about Konq with the konqueror-nsplugins package.  Konq isn't a
geko browser yet the nsplugins package allows you to use mozilla
plugins.

Thanks for the advice.  I went in Synaptic (I am using gnome) and installed 
konqueror.  I also installed the konqueror-nsplugins package.

Is that enough to install java on the browser?  The applets don't work at 
the moment in it but I can see web pages OK.  How do I install mozilla 
plugins into it?  There is a konq-plugins deb package that I haven't 
installed yet.  Should I install it?  What does it do that the nsplugins 
doesn't do?

What does Knetattach do?  Do I need this or is it just a gimmick?

The settings page in Konqueror says that java is installed globally etc... 
but it doesn't work yet.

Comments appreciated.

Regards

Michael Fothergill

If you don't use KDE otherwise, I know its a lot to drag in.  I don't
use KDE either but I like Konq (and k3b CD burner).

Doug.

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Konqueror, gnome and java plugins......

2007-08-22 Thread Michael Fothergill


Dear Debianists,

I am currently using Iceweasel with the java-gcj-compat plugin in it.  My 
system is Debian 4.0 r1 amd64.


I have had problems with applets in Iceweasel with both the gcj java and 
Blackdown plugins.  I have also made a Blackdown deb file that works.


As a result I wondered if the applets might run better with the java 
installed in Konqueror.


I installed Konqueror under gnome that I use.  It loads very slowly indeed.  
It takes ages for the windows to appear...


In Konqueror you go into the the settings menu and then enter a path link to 
the java plugin executable you want to use.


At first I used the /usr/bin/java executable I have installed but the 
applets just freeze.


If I install Blackdown how do I point Konqueror at it.  Iceweasel seems to 
find it OK if you install the Blackdown deb file.


What directory would the plugin executable be in that Konqueror needs to 
have the path  to?


Can I run Konqueror and Iceweasel together on the one java plugin?

Comments appreciated.

Regards

Michael Fothergill

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Re: flash on amd64: my report

2007-08-27 Thread Michael Fothergill

From: Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: flash on amd64: my report
Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2007 18:06:26 +0200

Looks like gnash works now at least for youtube stuff.
(Still not for myspace.)
Otherwise you can play flash flv files externally with vlc plugin.

# Machine: x86_64
# Kernel: Linux 2.6.22-rc5-amd64 (custom)
# Debian GNU/Linux lenny/sid
# Installed:
libc6   2.6.1-1
gnash   0.8.0~cvs20070611.1016-1+b2
gnash-tools 0.8.0~cvs20070611.1016-1+b2
libgnash0   0.8.0~cvs20070611.1016-1+b2
mozilla-plugin-gnash0.8.0~cvs20070611.1016-1+b2
mozilla-plugin-vlc  0.8.6.c-3
iceweasel   2.0.0.6-1

 mÂ°

Thanks for your posting on gnash.  I tried to install gnash on etch amd64 
and ran into dependency problems etc.  You need to be Lenny or Sid (as you 
are) to get it to work.  So I gave up with it.

I got flash to work in etch amd64 eventually using a recipe I posted 
earlier.

I have copied the post below:

Dear Debianists

I have just got flashplayer9  working on Iceweasel in amd64 etch.

I did the following stuff recommended by some helpful guys at 
http://www.dipconsultants.com:

First things first, as root:

 * Add repository to sources.list:
o echo "deb http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian etch main" >> 
/etc/apt/sources.list

 * apt-get update
 * Install the keyring so you're not bothered with key/verification 
warnings:

   o apt-get install markybob-keyring
 * apt-get update once more
 * Install what you want:
   o apt-get install ia32-libs-gtk nspluginwrapper

If you're looking to install Flash in a 64-bit browser:

 * Do *every* step listed above, then the following as a *user*, not root:
* wget 
http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz

 * tar -zxf install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz

It worked fine up to here

 * mv install_flash_player_9_linux/flashplayer.xpt 
install_flash_player_9_linux/libflashplayer.so ~/.mozilla/plugins/

Instead of this I did mv install_flash_player_9_linux/flashplayer.xpt 
install_flash_player_9_linux/libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/

NOT as a user as root

 * nspluginwrapper -i ~/.mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so

I didn't do the above one either;

I did nspluginwrapper -i /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
NOT as a user as root

 * Start/restart iceweasel/firefox/whatever
 * Enjoy, Etch 64-bit users, from the guys at dipconsultants.com :)

Everything else was the same.

Now flashplayer 9 works on my 64 bit Iceweasel browser.

Thanks

Michael Fothergill

I tried flashplayer-mozilla or whatever it is.  It doesn't work as far as I 
can see unless you are running Sid or Lenny or something because you can't 
install the latest nspluginwrapper in etch without dependency problems that 
I think would be dodgy because you would be veering out of etch into 
something chaotic.

Or something like that.

But this worked.

End of old posting.

The installation of flash I made above on amd64 etch was a bit unstable in 
amd64 etch r0.  It would work for a while and then suddenly quit.  I am not 
sure why.  Rebooting seemed to help a little.

But when I upgraded to amd64 etch r1 then this problem went away.  I am not 
sure why.  Now flash is working well.

Java plugins are still below par but I am working on it.

Regards

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dumb question about compiz

2007-09-01 Thread Michael Fothergill


Dear Debianists,

I had a look at the compiz web page and some youtube videos showing it in 
action.  I notice there are deb files for it in Etch.


I use AMD64 Etch 4.0 r1.

My machine is an AMD Sempron 3200 box.  I don't have a graphics card yet.

I assume from reading wikipedia pages and so on that I will need a graphics 
card or compiz will struggle to run.


If this is the case what sort of graphics card would do?

How about an nvidia geforce card?

Comments appreciated.

Regards

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dumb question about blind upgrades....

2006-11-22 Thread Michael Fothergill


Dear Debian people,

I noticed some discussion on the list about blind upgrades.  I assume this 
means that you type apt-get upgrade as root on your machine and let it run 
as it wishes..


I use Sarge 3.1 r3 on a 1200 MHz AMD Duron chip on a bog standard PC.

I loaded it using 15 CD's I downloaded from one of the debian sites.  I 
noticed that it seems as though Sarge 3.1 r4 is now out.  When I installed 
r3 I think I set it up to assume that new packages would come from CDs not 
the internet except for security updates which it gets from the debian 
security web address.


Today I typed in apt-get upgrade as root and the machine updated the package 
list and installed 4 more packages and upgraded a lot of security features.


My fairly dumb question is: did I just get the security package updates or 
did I upgrade to r4?


The other question I have is:  if I am using Sarge with a bog standard 
desktop install with gnome and open office etc and all I really do is work 
on word processing and spreadsheets plus some web browsing and don't fart 
around with source installations rpm installations or backports etc., then 
would a blind upgrade to Etch be reasonably safe for me to proceed with when 
it becomes stable?


What I think would be useful would be if you ran a small business and you 
had ten employees each running a PC and doing much the same as me and thus 
their activities were innocous enough that you could do a blind upgrade on 
all the PC's very quickly and know that it would be OK.


This would save a lot of farting around that goes on with other OSes.

I would even go as far as to deliberately avoid using any package in any 
configuration that would make the upgrade harder.  Provided the basic 
functions above work well, this could go a long way in many situations and 
save a lot of time and money.


Comments appreciated.

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fairly ignorant jigdo question....

2006-11-23 Thread Michael Fothergill


Dear Debian folks,

I tried to post a question about jigdo but it didn't seem to reach the site. 
 Here goes again.


I notice that Etch currently has 21 CD images in the testing release,

But Sarge comprises 15 CDs.

I have the 15 CDs.  If I want to use jigdo to create the 21 CD images 
comprising Etch using the Sarge CDs to speed up and bootstrap the process, 
what is the best way to do this?


My understanding is that the jigdo can extract the individual files from an 
iso file (Sarge) and combine it with separate files downloaded from a 
repository and combine them to make the new (Etch) iso file..


But what happens if the same file on CD number 3 in Sarge is legitimately 
located on CD number 7 of Etch?


What if the file on CD 15 in Sarge is located on CD 21 of Etch?


Would I have to scan all 15 CD images and have them all copied up on my hard 
disk every time I make a new Etch iso file?


Should I use CD-R or CD-RW disks?  I currently use CD-R ones.

Regards.

Michael Fothergill

P.S. could scan in Sarge CD images but then create the Etch DVD images with 
jigdo?


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fairly dumb question about icewm floppy icon and desktop software....

2006-11-30 Thread Michael Fothergill


Dear Debian folks,

I recently stuck a 13 GB drive in a Gateway 2000 Pentium 133 Mhz ancient PC.

I loaded Sarge 3.1 r3 on it.

This was a slow process and involved a certain amount of farting around in 
the installation but in the end it worked.


On a machine like this gnome is a non-starter.  It is too slow.

So I bunged icewm on instead and it works OK speed wise.

It feels right.

But I have some ignorances that are spoiling my fun a bit.

One thing is that I can't seem to find any icon for the floppy like there is 
in gnome.


What do you do here?  Do you open a terminal window put the floppy in and 
use the mount command to read it?


What about a CD?

Another problem I have is that Openoffice takes ages to load and I think the 
machine is struggling a bit with it.


There doesn't seem to be any abiword or whatever it is in the default icewm 
installation.  Presumably if I install abiword using apt then it will be 
automatically incorporated into the icon set up and I will be able to fire 
it up from the window manager


It's shame that Openoffice 1.1 is so slow because I like what it does

A smaller spreadsheet software would also be useful.

I ended up using the openoffice print manager or whatever it is to configure 
the printer.


I trust this is what you are supposed to do.  It didn't have as many drivers 
as the gnome beastie and so I am not sure if it will drive the Epson C86 
smelly inkjet printer I use.


I will do what I can with it.

Suggestions on how to get this system to work about as well as can be 
expected given the old hardwre would be appreciated.


Regards

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trying to get a Benq4300U USB scanner working .....

2006-12-01 Thread Michael Fothergill

P:  Vendor= ProdID= Rev= 0.00
S:  Product=USB OHCI Root Hub
S:  SerialNumber=cf902000
C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=40 MxPwr=  0mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub
E:  Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS=   2 Ivl=255ms
T:  Bus=02 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=00 Cnt=01 Dev#=  2 Spd=12  MxCh= 0
D:  Ver= 1.00 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff MxPS= 8 #Cfgs=  1

Don't get too excited nbut I think this line here is the scanner stuff but 
it doesn't say scanner found so maybe there is still a problem here comments 
please


P:  Vendor=04a5 ProdID=20b0 Rev= 1.20

C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=40 MxPwr=100mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 3 Cls=ff(vend.) Sub=ff Prot=ff Driver=(none)
E:  Ad=81(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=0ms
E:  Ad=02(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=   8 Ivl=0ms
E:  Ad=83(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS=   8 Ivl=16ms
T:  Bus=01 Lev=00 Prnt=00 Port=00 Cnt=00 Dev#=  1 Spd=12  MxCh= 3
B:  Alloc=  0/900 us ( 0%), #Int=  0, #Iso=  0
D:  Ver= 1.10 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor= ProdID= Rev= 0.00
S:  Product=USB OHCI Root Hub
S:  SerialNumber=cf879000
C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=40 MxPwr=  0mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 1 Cls=09(hub  ) Sub=00 Prot=00 Driver=hub
E:  Ad=81(I) Atr=03(Int.) MxPS=   2 Ivl=255ms
T:  Bus=01 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=00 Cnt=01 Dev#=  3 Spd=12  MxCh= 0
D:  Ver= 1.10 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs=  1
P:  Vendor=04b8 ProdID=0005 Rev= 1.00
S:  Manufacturer=EPSON
S:  Product=USB Printer
S:  SerialNumber=HU22T0511260429380
C:* #Ifs= 1 Cfg#= 1 Atr=c0 MxPwr=  2mA
I:  If#= 0 Alt= 0 #EPs= 2 Cls=07(print) Sub=01 Prot=02 Driver=usblp
E:  Ad=01(O) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=0ms
E:  Ad=82(I) Atr=02(Bulk) MxPS=  64 Ivl=0ms
spc2-burn3-0-0-cust329:/proc/bus/usb/002#

OK, now what about all that libusb stuff?

Here goes:
spc2-burn3-0-0-cust329:/proc/bus/usb/002# ls -l
total 1
-rw-rw-rw-  1 root root18 2006-12-02 03:23 001
-rw-rw  1 root scanner 18 2006-12-02 02:46 002
spc2-burn3-0-0-cust329:/proc/bus/usb/002# pwd
/proc/bus/usb/002
spc2-burn3-0-0-cust329:/proc/bus/usb/002# cd ../001
spc2-burn3-0-0-cust329:/proc/bus/usb/001# ls -l
total 1
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 18 2006-12-02 03:23 001
-rw-rw-rw-  1 root root 18 2006-12-02 03:23 003
spc2-burn3-0-0-cust329:/proc/bus/usb/001# cd 003
bash: cd: 003: Not a directory
spc2-burn3-0-0-cust329:/proc/bus/usb/001# ls -l
total 1
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 18 2006-12-02 03:23 001
-rw-rw-rw-  1 root root 18 2006-12-02 03:23 003
spc2-burn3-0-0-cust329:/proc/bus/usb/001# cd 001
bash: cd: 001: Not a directory
spc2-burn3-0-0-cust329:/proc/bus/usb/001# cd ..
spc2-burn3-0-0-cust329:/proc/bus/usb# ls
001  002  devices  drivers
spc2-burn3-0-0-cust329:/proc/bus/usb# cd 002
spc2-burn3-0-0-cust329:/proc/bus/usb/002# ls -l
total 1
-rw-rw-rw-  1 root root18 2006-12-02 03:23 001
-rw-rw  1 root scanner 18 2006-12-02 02:46 002
spc2-burn3-0-0-cust329:/proc/bus/usb/002# cd 002
bash: cd: 002: Not a directory
spc2-burn3-0-0-cust329:/proc/bus/usb/002# ls -l
total 1
-rw-rw-rw-  1 root root18 2006-12-02 03:23 001
-rw-rw  1 root scanner 18 2006-12-02 02:46 002
spc2-burn3-0-0-cust329:/proc/bus/usb/002# cd ..
spc2-burn3-0-0-cust329:/proc/bus/usb# ls
001  002  devices  drivers
spc2-burn3-0-0-cust329:/proc/bus/usb# cd 001
spc2-burn3-0-0-cust329:/proc/bus/usb/001# ls -l
total 1
-rw-r--r--  1 root root 18 2006-12-02 03:23 001
-rw-rw-rw-  1 root root 18 2006-12-02 03:23 003
spc2-burn3-0-0-cust329:/proc/bus/usb/001# pwd
/proc/bus/usb/001


I seem to go round in circles with those directories because they all look 
the same.  I am always paranoid I haven't speared every one of them.


Is this good enough?

What about changing the ownership and groups from root to user?

I am root now so shouldn't this be OK?

OK.  Now for the grand finale.


Let's try to run xsane and fail miserably.

Here goes:

spc2-burn3-0-0-cust329:/proc/bus/usb/001# /usr/bin/xsane
Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
Xlib: No protocol specified


(xsane:8980): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
spc2-burn3-0-0-cust329:/proc/bus/usb/001#

Terrible.  It won't even start?  Any suggestions?

Let's try running xsane as a user now:

It dies.

The error message says no devices available.

But I think I can play with the scanner detection commands to make the xsane 
see the scanner as a user but then crash at the end I think with a libusb 
problem.  Let's see if I can tweak it to do this.


Here goes.

I tried but I can't seem to get any further with it.  I just get the no 
devices error again.


Suggestions on getting further with it appreciated.


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alternatives to sane in scanner software.......

2006-12-02 Thread Michael Fothergill


Dear Debian folks,

I have given up on sane with my scanner.

I tried Vuescan for Linux and it worked immediately.

But it costs money.

What alternatives to sane do you recommend that are proper free software?

Are any of them on the Sarge 3.1 r3 CD set?

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Re: alternatives to sane in scanner software.......

2006-12-02 Thread Michael Fothergill

From: Andrew Malcolmson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Michael Fothergill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: alternatives to sane in scanner software...
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2006 13:28:59 -0500

On Sat, Dec 02, 2006 at 12:10:18PM +0000, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> Dear Debian folks,
>
> I have given up on sane with my scanner.

I guess you mean xsane.  If so, a bewildering interface, a badgering
licence message, and a lack of stability, make this a program to avoid.

> I tried Vuescan for Linux and it worked immediately.
>
> But it costs money.
>
> What alternatives to sane do you recommend that are proper free 
software?

Quiteinsane (gimp2.0-quiteinsane) is a simpler alternative.

THanks alot. I did apt-get install gimp2.0-quiteinsane and installed it on 
my machine.

I can't seem to find the executable with whereis   gimp2.0-quiteinsane.

Do I have to configure it with dpkg?

i.e. dpkg configure-gimp2.0-quiteinsane or something like that?

Do I have to remove xsane before gimp2.0-quiteinsane will be made 
executable?

i.e. apt-get remove xsane

???

Comments welcome

Regards,

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dual layered DVD's vs single layer etc....

2006-12-03 Thread Michael Fothergill


Dear Debian people,

This is a pretty dumb question.  But I think it has a little merit.  I 
bought myself a new Benq DVD rewriter and stuffed in my box.  This one can 
handle dual layered DVDs as well as the single ones.


I then realised after nosing around in the computer shop that dual layered 
DVDs have a capacity of 8.5GB c.f. the single layered ones of 4.4GB.


What a genius this guy is I here you say.

A doubling of storage is what you would expect.

My point is that whereas the Sarge 3.1 r3 release contains 15 CDs, Etch 
comprises 21 CDs..


Or 3 DVDs.  But of course these are 3 single layer 4.4 GB DVDs.

Once Etch comes out and everyones starts to work on Lenny, then maybe it 
could get to thirty CDs or 4 or 5 DVDs.


Once it gets to that size would dual layered DVD iso images be considered to 
be parked in the repositories?




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apt-cdrom and dvd's

2006-12-04 Thread Michael Fothergill


Dear Debian folks,

I tried using apt-cdrom add to let me scan my Sarge 3.1 r4 DVD I just 
burned.


But the machine sniffed for a CDROM in the CD RW drive and didn't go for the 
DVD in the DVD RW drive..


But there is no apt-dvd add command or so it seems?

Unless there is a hidden dumbness here, can anyone think of a way to get OS 
to sniff in my new DVD and e.g. add any new packages that are in there (the 
OS is nominally Sarge 3.1 r3 with some net upgrades but probably not 
absolutely everything..


At the moment if I choose a new package with apt it will direct me to the 
appropriate CDROM number in the Sarge CD set.


It would be nice if I can tweak it to default to the DVD number (either 1 or 
2) instead.


Sorry about the dumbness and laziness and non manual bedtime reading and 
ignoring Eric S Raymond etc.


Regards

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OS may not have recognised my DVD....

2006-12-05 Thread Michael Fothergill


Dear Debian foks,

I am not sure if the the OS saw my new DVD drive (Benq)correctly. I also 
have a CD drive in my machine.


When I login in gnome I see an icon for the floppy drive cdrom1 as it calls 
it and the file system.


Fedora for example made a separate icon for the DVD drive.

If you look in /media you actually see cdrom and cdrom0 not cdrom1.

spc2-burn3-0-0-cust329:/home/mikef# cd /media/
spc2-burn3-0-0-cust329:/media# ls
cdrom  cdrom0  floppy  floppy0
spc2-burn3-0-0-cust329:/media# ls -l
total 8
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root6 2006-10-17 14:09 cdrom -> cdrom0
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 2006-10-17 14:09 cdrom0
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root7 2006-10-17 14:09 floppy -> floppy0
drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 2006-10-17 14:09 floppy0

I have been trying to get the OS to read in my new DVD in preference to the 
old CDs (I am running Sarge 3.1 r3 and the DVD is for Sarge 3.1 r4):


spc2-burn3-0-0-cust329:/media# apt-cdrom -d/media/cdrom add
Using CD-ROM mount point /media/cdrom/
Unmounting CD-ROM
Please insert a Disc in the drive and press enter
Mounting CD-ROM
E: Failed to mount the cdrom.
spc2-burn3-0-0-cust329:/media# apt-cdrom -d/media/cdrom0 add
Using CD-ROM mount point /media/cdrom0/
Unmounting CD-ROM
Please insert a Disc in the drive and press enter
Mounting CD-ROM
E: Failed to mount the cdrom.

It doesn't work.

spc2-burn3-0-0-cust329:/media# apt-cdrom -d/media/cdrom add
Using CD-ROM mount point /media/cdrom/
Unmounting CD-ROM
Please insert a Disc in the drive and press enter
Mounting CD-ROM
E: Failed to mount the cdrom.
spc2-burn3-0-0-cust329:/media#

This also fails.

If you try cdrom1 you get

spc2-burn3-0-0-cust329:/home/mikef# apt-cdrom -d/media/cdrom1 add
Using CD-ROM mount point /media/cdrom1/
Unmounting CD-ROM
Please insert a Disc in the drive and press enter
Mounting CD-ROM
E: Unable to stat the mount point /media/cdrom1/ - stat (2 No such file or 
directory)
E: Unable to stat the mount point /media/cdrom1/ - stat (2 No such file or 
directory)

E: Failed to mount the cdrom.

I loaded the installer from the DVD for Sarge 3.1 r4 from boot up on my 
machine perfectly and I used the installer to check the integrity of the two 
DVDs I burned.  They are fine.


So at some level Debian can see this DVD drive perfectly well starting from 
scratch using the installer.



Comments appreciated.

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Re: OS may not have recognised my DVD....

2006-12-05 Thread Michael Fothergill







>
> I am not sure if the the OS saw my new DVD drive (Benq)correctly. I also
> have a CD drive in my machine.
>



In *nix there are many different types of files:
directories, data files, symbolic links, character devices, block
devices, etc.

You need to determine what the actual block device name for your dvd is.
If the cdrom or dvd drive was detected and udev didn't create a symbolic
link to /media/ then you need to make sure that:
1) the device was detected
2) figure out if udev has the correct rule to make a symbolic link for
it.

you can do #1 by looking in /var/log/dmesg or /va/log/messages with
grep CD /var/log/dmesg


OK I did this one:

spc2-burn3-0-0-cust329:/var/log# grep CD /var/log/dmesg
hdc: BENQ DVD DD DW1650, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
It has found my DVD machine.  it lives on hdc.

How do I turn this into a command for apt-cdrom

I tried some stuff here but I don't know what I am doing properly.

spc2-burn3-0-0-cust329:/var/log# cd /dev
spc2-burn3-0-0-cust329:/dev# ls -l hdc*
brw-rw  1 root disk 22,  0 2005-02-26 06:38 hdc
brw-rw  1 root disk 22,  1 2005-02-26 06:38 hdc1
brw-rw  1 root disk 22, 10 2005-02-26 06:38 hdc10
brw-rw  1 root disk 22, 11 2005-02-26 06:38 hdc11
brw-rw  1 root disk 22, 12 2005-02-26 06:38 hdc12
brw-rw  1 root disk 22, 13 2005-02-26 06:38 hdc13
brw-rw  1 root disk 22, 14 2005-02-26 06:38 hdc14
brw-rw  1 root disk 22, 15 2005-02-26 06:38 hdc15
brw-rw  1 root disk 22, 16 2005-02-26 06:38 hdc16
brw-rw  1 root disk 22, 17 2005-02-26 06:38 hdc17
brw-rw  1 root disk 22, 18 2005-02-26 06:38 hdc18
brw-rw  1 root disk 22, 19 2005-02-26 06:38 hdc19
brw-rw  1 root disk 22,  2 2005-02-26 06:38 hdc2
brw-rw  1 root disk 22, 20 2005-02-26 06:38 hdc20
brw-rw  1 root disk 22,  3 2005-02-26 06:38 hdc3
brw-rw  1 root disk 22,  4 2005-02-26 06:38 hdc4
brw-rw  1 root disk 22,  5 2005-02-26 06:38 hdc5
brw-rw  1 root disk 22,  6 2005-02-26 06:38 hdc6
brw-rw  1 root disk 22,  7 2005-02-26 06:38 hdc7
brw-rw  1 root disk 22,  8 2005-02-26 06:38 hdc8
brw-rw  1 root disk 22,  9 2005-02-26 06:38 hdc9
spc2-burn3-0-0-cust329:/dev# apt-cdrom -d/dev/hdc add
Using CD-ROM mount point /dev/hdc/
Unmounting CD-ROM
Please insert a Disc in the drive and press enter
Mounting CD-ROM
E: Unable to stat the mount point /dev/hdc/ - stat (20 Not a directory)
E: Unable to stat the mount point /dev/hdc/ - stat (20 Not a directory)
E: Failed to mount the cdrom.

OK, I am ignorant, please help me.

Regards,

Michael Fothergill




hdd: LITE-ON LTR-48246K, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
hdc: ATAPI 48X DVD-ROM DVD-R CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, UDMA(33)
Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12
hdd: ATAPI 48X CD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, UDMA(33)







spc2-burn3-0-0-cust329:/var/log# grep CD /var/log/message

grep: /var/log/message: No such file or directory






grep CD /var/log/message
you will normally get a result containing /dev/hda,/dev/hdb or similar
this will tell you if it was found. If this is not found, then there are
kernel or hardware issues.
The next step is to either try to fix the udev issue (not my speciality)
if you want a nice /media/dvdrom to show up or to simply use the info
from step #1 to use that for the paramter to apt-cdrom.
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Re: [man-lug] Minimal Linux Distrib

2006-12-06 Thread Michael Fothergill

From: "Giacomo Lacava" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [man-lug] Minimal Linux Distrib
Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 15:24:34 +

If you don't need X, you can go for a heavily stripped-down Debian,
Slackware or Gentoo... or if you feel like learning, there's always Linux
From Scratch  .

cheers
Giacomo

On 06/12/06, Alban Pearce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I have a Old SFF Pc It's a Digital Box Up until The
Novell / Microsooft deal to Fubar the GPL (see www.groklaw.net) it was
my (Home) NetWare 4.11 server
I have copied all the files off it so GOODBYE Novell ...

So now the Difficult Bit What distro do I Use

Use Debian..

It recognizes old hardware well.

Michael Fothergill

It only needs to store mail and maybe ldap or ftp
So I don't need X...

The Hardware Spec Is AMD 586Dx4 100 66BogoMips WOW 32Mb EDO RAM Floppy
ISA BUS NO PCI 3c509B network card

Internal video mouse 2 ser par 20Gb Hdd (I found a newer disk)
External DVD It will Plug on The Ide CABLE for initial Install

Caveats the install has to boot from floppy
There is no pci bus I think the Board is Pre PNP

Why am I keeping it its only 8"x10"x2"

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recommended Debian package for burning CDs...

2006-12-06 Thread Michael Fothergill


Dear Debian folks,

What is the recommended Debian package for burning CDs (and DVDs)?

On Fedora I think I have been using Nautilus.

Regards

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reinstalling Sarge 3.1 r4 from a DVD....

2006-12-06 Thread Michael Fothergill


Dear Debian folks,

I couldn't get the DVD mounting stuff fixed so I decided to reinstall the OS 
from scratch.


I tried booting from a DVD.  This worked at the start but eventually ther OS 
wanted regular CDs which it gave the numbers for and would not accept DVD 
images as an alternative.


When you make the choice of install sources /dev/cdrom is one

but not

/dev/dvd or anything like that.  It doesn't like being force fed.  I used 
nautilus to back up my work files but the cd I made of that doesn't like 
being read by the drive at the moment.


A slightly older back up CD I made in Fedora is read OK and I have used that 
one.


But on reinstalling what is good is that I now have two separat icons for 
the CD drive and the DVD drive.


I am going to experiment with trying to get apt-cdrom add to work with the 
DVD images...


How good is Etch at booting from scratch with DVDs only and no cheating with 
any CD images??


Regards

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trying to combine apt-cdrom and apt-get install.....


Dear Debian folks,

I have been trying to get away from the dreaded 15 CD set and substitute it 
with the much wiser 2 DVDs for Sarge 3.1.


I reinstalled the Sarge 3.1 r3 and this resulted in both the CD drive and 
the DVD drive being detected and two nice icons being made one for each in 
gnome and also two /media/cdrom0 and /media/cdrom1 symbolic links one for 
the CD drive and the other for the DVD.


Also I managed to specify the DVD with apt-cdrom -d/media/cdrom1 add (I 
think it was cdrom1) and it then read in the DVD images for Sarge 3.1 r4 and 
upgraded everything and inhaled all the packages after I had installed Sarge 
3.1r3 with only 4 of the smelly old 15 CD set I am trying to get away from.



I thought I ahd finally got rid of them on this machine and began to feel a 
bit smarter.


But they are sneaking back in to my life again.  I now feel dumber.

I am trying to install a package using apt-get install..

The OS responded by requesting binary 1 for Sarge 3.1r4 and expected to be 
inserted in the CD drive not DVD drive.


It was asking for the first CD in a set of CDs I don't actually have,  Mine 
are for Sarge 3.1 r3.


So it would ignore them.

But maybe there is some smart way to combine the apt-cdrom -d/media/cdrom1 
stuff with apt-get install so that I can specify the DVD drive.


Suggestions are welcome here...

Regards,

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Re: alternatives to sane in scanner software.......

From: Stefan Monnier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: alternatives to sane in scanner software...
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2006 13:39:23 -0500

>> > I have given up on sane with my scanner.
>> I guess you mean xsane.  If so, a bewildering interface, a badgering
>> licence message, and a lack of stability, make this a program to avoid.

Hmm... interesting.  I started with the software that HP distributes with
my OfficeJet: a complete waste of time.  So when I upgraded to xsane it
seemed really good.

As a matter of fact it has worked reliably for me, AFAIR.  The only problem
I've had with it is that the PDF it produces doesn't display correctly on
Mac OS X's preview, so I always have to pass it through pdf2ps|ps2pdf 
(which

happens to also generate somewhat smaller files ;-).

The interface in general isn't amazingly smooth, but I found it OK.

>> Quiteinsane (gimp2.0-quiteinsane) is a simpler alternative.

Hello after a while on this.  I have tried xsane in Debian and Fedora until 
I am blue in the face and I can't get it to work.  I am starting to think 
the only way to get a scanner to work in Linux is if you write the program 
in assembler code and hire an idiot savant to configure it.

I get all these weird I/O output crashes. Sane sort of works but is flaky 
sometimes.  I have tried the gimp quite insane thing and it also dies with 
the I/O problem.

Vuescan works instantly and effusively.   But it is proprietary.  Does 
anyone know of some even really crappy alternative?  What is xscanimage?  
Does it work?  Is it in the packages?

Even an abacus connected to the scanner would be better than nothing.  You 
coujld GPL it.

Regards

Michael Fothergill

I'll have to try it more seriously, but my first impression is that it's 
not

what I need: I mostly scan a bunch of pages with the ADF (or manually from
a book) and don't care much for image-editing features, so all the GIMP
thingy comes as a hindrance more than a help.

The ability to reorganize pages after the scan but before generating the 
PDF

(which xsane offers me in a primitive but usable way) is crucial in all
those cases where the ADF gets wedged or something.

OTOH it may be just what I need for those rare cases where I want to scan
a few photos.

Does anyone have some other favorite (Free Software) scanner program
to recommend?

Stefan

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Re: trying to combine apt-cdrom and apt-get install.....

From: Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: trying to combine apt-cdrom and apt-get install.
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 16:28:39 -0800

On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 12:16:24AM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
>
> But maybe there is some smart way to combine the apt-cdrom 
-d/media/cdrom1

> stuff with apt-get install so that I can specify the DVD drive.
>

why are you not just pulling packages from the net?

I could do it, but I prefer using the DVDs.  My idea is to get to a state 
where I bootstrap download DVD images using jigdo and thus minimise the load 
on the debian servers and also to then exclusively use the DVDs locally on 
my machine from then on permanently so as to further reduce antisocial load 
on the servers.

This is the idea.  I am have also installed Debian on my machine at work and 
am now about to put it on another one in the laboratory (I run my own 
company so I can choose the OS for the business as it grows).  These are old 
machines so they run on CD drives not DVDs but they are not connected to the 
internet.  If I get more capital into the business I would get some more and 
newer machines but probably not have an internet link to all of them.  So 
CDs and DVDs are useful to me.

Michael F

I realise that may

be the only option, just double checking.

A

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Re: alternatives to sane in scanner software.......

From: Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: alternatives to sane in scanner software...
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 16:27:04 -0800

On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 12:24:35AM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Hello after a while on this.  I have tried xsane in Debian and Fedora 
until
> I am blue in the face and I can't get it to work.  I am starting to 
think
> the only way to get a scanner to work in Linux is if you write the 
program

> in assembler code and hire an idiot savant to configure it.

no, just a lot of monkeys.

seriously though, what scanner? I missed it if you mentioned it
before?

It is a Benq 4300 U

I scan using and HP PSC all-in-one money pit and it works flawlessly
with xsane.

Maybe its worth buying this scanner.  Is it a SCSI one?  Maybe they work 
more easily in sane and xane.

>
> I get all these weird I/O output crashes. Sane sort of works but is 
flaky
> sometimes.  I have tried the gimp quite insane thing and it also dies 
with

> the I/O problem.
>

how about some output for us to look at?

OK.  BUt Xsane just produces one line error messages to the screen.  If it 
writes a log file somewhere or could set up to do so as a job then this 
might help.

Sane and the probes of sane success in detecting the scanner produce lots of 
nice output.  I have planted it on numerous sites and bored the pants off 
people with it but have not yet got any joy.  The last two mailing lists 
resulted in no response at all with any suggestion of how to improve things. 
 I

I think mine is a genuinely tough case.

Michael F

> Vuescan works instantly and effusively.   But it is proprietary.  Does
> anyone know of some even really crappy alternative?  What is xscanimage?
> Does it work?  Is it in the packages?

I believe xscanimage is in the repos: apt-cache search is your friend
here.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache show sane
Package: sane
Priority: optional
Section: graphics
Installed-Size: 248
Maintainer: Julien BLACHE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Architecture: i386
Source: sane-frontends
Version: 1.0.14-1
Replaces: sane-gimp1.2, sane-gimp1.3
Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libgimp2.0 (>=
2.2.0+rel), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.6.0),
libieee1284-3, libjpeg62, libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.8.2), libsane (>=
1.0.11-3), libusb-0.1-4 (>= 2:0.1.10a)
Suggests: gimp
Conflicts: sane-gimp1.2, sane-gimp1.3
Filename: pool/main/s/sane-frontends/sane_1.0.14-1_i386.deb
Size: 108690
MD5sum: 5bc8daec42ffa32368378c12ef6cb031
SHA1: 4bec89b2bdfe9e43c15903b89d4af6384aca7996
SHA256:
eae1178fd2f8c81bcc60641daa206a6eabc943456c771e1576d1780c853b47e7
Description: scanner graphical frontends
 This package includes :
  o xscanimage, a scanner graphical frontend with GIMP 2.0 support
  o scanadf, a command-line frontend for scanners with Automatic
  Document Feeder  o xcam, for acquiring images continuously from
  cameras.
 .
 An alternative to xscanimage called xsane is packaged separately.
 .
 The scanner frontends use SANE.  SANE stands for "Scanner Access Now
 Easy" and is an application programming interface (API) that provides
 standardized access to any raster image scanner hardware (flatbed
 scanner, hand-held scanner, video- and still-cameras, frame-grabbers,
 etc.). The SANE standard is free and its discussion and development
 are
 open to everybody. The current source code is written to support
 several
 operating systems, including GNU/Linux, OS/2, Win32 and various
 Unices
 and is available under the GNU General Public License (commercial
 applications and backends are welcome, too, however).
Tag: interface::x11, role::sw:application, uitoolkit::gtk,
use::downloading, works-with::image:raster, x11::application

as you can see, it comes with the sane package.

>
> Even an abacus connected to the scanner would be better than nothing.  
You

> coujld GPL it.

printing would be tough.

A

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Re: trying to combine apt-cdrom and apt-get install.....

2006-12-09 Thread Michael Fothergill

From: Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: trying to combine apt-cdrom and apt-get install.
Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 17:03:51 -0800

On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 12:42:20AM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
>
>
>
> >From: Andrew Sackville-West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> >Subject: Re: trying to combine apt-cdrom and apt-get install.
> >Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 16:28:39 -0800
> >
> >On Fri, Dec 08, 2006 at 12:16:24AM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> >>
> >> But maybe there is some smart way to combine the apt-cdrom
> >-d/media/cdrom1
> >> stuff with apt-get install so that I can specify the DVD drive.
> >>
> >
> >why are you not just pulling packages from the net?
>
> I could do it, but I prefer using the DVDs.  My idea is to get to a 
state

> where I bootstrap download DVD images using jigdo and thus minimise the
> load on the debian servers and also to then exclusively use the DVDs
> locally on my machine from then on permanently so as to further reduce
> antisocial load on the servers.

ISTM that downloading the whole thing at once would actually use more
bandwidth than downloading pieces as you go as you almost certainly
won't need the entire system. Most people get most of what they want
off the first 2 cd's. but you probably already know that.

OK, let me deal with that.  The best way to do it would be as follows.  You 
would buy the first set of CDs/DVDs from a vendor.  So if it were for Sarge 
3.1r0, then you would use jidgo to bootstrap to new CD images for Sarge 
3.1r1, then again for Sarge3.1r2, then r3 and r4 etc.  The number of new 
files you would download then would be small I would imagine and most of the 
work jogdo would do would be to rearrange files on the CD or DVD images you 
started with from the vendor.

I am not finished.  You could use the last edition of Sarge before Etch is 
released as a stable version to bootstrap the downloading of Etch using 
jigdo.  Since Etch is about 5 CDs longer than Sarge this would probably be a 
down load of about 6CDs worth of new stuff plus alot of rearranging of 
recycled existing stuff from your Sarge CDs or DVDs to synthesise the new 
Etch release isos using jigdo.

I guess you could try to get the vendors to sell only the CDs with the new 
information on them relative to the last release e.g. Etch relative to 
Sarge.  You could then use jigdo to tidy up the mess and stitch your old CDs 
or DVDs to the new bridging CD and then make your new set.

This would reduce parasitic farting around on the servers to a minimum.

Comments appreciated.

>
> This is the idea.  I am have also installed Debian on my machine at work
> and am now about to put it on another one in the laboratory (I run my 
own

> company so I can choose the OS for the business as it grows).

Don't you love that!. I do! I just got rid of my last work related win
box and am now lobbying my wife for her box too... heh heh. That
leaves me with point-of-sale running on dos. that won't change anytime 
soon.

  These are
> old machines so they run on CD drives not DVDs but they are not 
connected
> to the internet.  If I get more capital into the business I would get 
some

> more and newer machines but probably not have an internet link to all of
> them.

you know, I love old underpowered machines cause they get a new lease
on life with debian. Throw a $5 net card in them and away you go. And
depending on what your computing needs are, it may be cheaper to do
that and network them all than to upgrade the hardware. ymmv.

  So CDs and DVDs are useful to me.

no doubt. I was just curious because you were spending a lot of effort
on it and I wondered how critical it was.

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dumb question about upgrading the kernel and SATA disks....

2006-12-11 Thread Michael Fothergill


Dear Debian folks,

I am running Sarge 3.1 r4 on a 1200MHz AMD Duron chip.  I have 256MB of RAM.

Linux spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 2005 
i686 GNU/Linux


uname says that I am running the 2.4.27-2 kernel.  During the installation 
the installer decided to use this kernel not 2.6.8.  The reason for this 
flashed by screen rather quickly but maybe it was some hardware issue.


What would be a good way to check this out?  I am interested to upgrade the 
kernel because I am interested to install a SATA hard drive and some of them 
might prefer to be installed with a 2.6 kernel if I understand it correctly.


Does anyone know what the latest kernel currently is?  Where does one 
download it from?  I looked on the web for guides to installing it and found 
that the instructions instructions on this are quite varied.


Here is one example.


apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.17-6-686 kernel-source-2.6.17 
kernel-headers-2.6.17-6-686

cd /usr/src
tar xjvf kernel-source-2.6.17.tar.bz2
rm linux
ln -s kernel-source-2.6.17 linux

Where would I find a guide that you feel is kosher?

Regards,

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Re: dumb question about upgrading the kernel and SATA disks....

2006-12-11 Thread Michael Fothergill

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrei Popescu)
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: dumb question about upgrading the kernel and SATA disks
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 01:53:30 +0200

On Mon, Dec 11, 2006 at 09:47:42PM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> Dear Debian folks,
>
> I am running Sarge 3.1 r4 on a 1200MHz AMD Duron chip.  I have 256MB of 
RAM.

>
> Linux spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Wed Aug 17 09:33:35 UTC 
2005 i686 GNU/Linux

>
> uname says that I am running the 2.4.27-2 kernel.  During the 
installation the installer
> decided to use this kernel not 2.6.8.  The reason for this flashed by 
screen rather quickly

> but maybe it was some hardware issue.

This is the default kernel for sarge. For 2.6 you should have writen
'linux26' at the prompt.

> What would be a good way to check this out?  I am interested to upgrade 
the kernel because I
> am interested to install a SATA hard drive and some of them might prefer 
to be installed with

> a 2.6 kernel if I understand it correctly.

But that still doesn't guarantee it will work. Some controllers want
newer kernel than the one in sarge.

> Does anyone know what the latest kernel currently is?  Where does one 
download it from?  I
> looked on the web for guides to installing it and found that the 
instructions instructions on

> this are quite varied.
>
> Here is one example.
>
>
> apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.17-6-686 kernel-source-2.6.17 
kernel-headers-2.6.17-6-686

> cd /usr/src
> tar xjvf kernel-source-2.6.17.tar.bz2
> rm linux
> ln -s kernel-source-2.6.17 linux

These are instructions to compile a kernel the "generic" way (should
work on any distro).

First you should try installing the kernel available in sarge. Use

aptitude install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-k7

I did this. It worked.
uname -a
Linux spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 2.6.8-3-k7 #1 Tue Dec 5 23:58:25 UTC 2006 i686 
GNU/Linux

or if you want to always have the latest kernel available in sarge then

aptitude install kernel-image-2.6-k7

I did this one too and got the same kernel as above as far as I can see.  
The boot up menu now lists these various kernel options to choose from as 
well as recovery modes
Will this new kernel make it easier to upgrade to etch??  Presumably etch 
official release is getting close now.

If that one doesn't work than you could try www.backports.org, but if
you go beyond a certain version (2.6.12?) you will have to upgrade other
stuff as well. Either way read the instructions at backports very careful.

HTH,
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Re: dumb question about upgrading the kernel and SATA disks....

2006-12-11 Thread Michael Fothergill

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrei Popescu)
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: dumb question about upgrading the kernel and SATA disks
Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 02:58:18 +0200

On Tue, Dec 12, 2006 at 12:47:31AM +, Michael Fothergill wrote:

> >First you should try installing the kernel available in sarge. Use
> >
> >aptitude install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-k7
>
> I did this. It worked.
> uname -a
> Linux spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 2.6.8-3-k7 #1 Tue Dec 5 23:58:25 UTC 2006 
i686 GNU/Linux

Great. Does the SATA disk work?

I have been looking at a shop on the web that sells internal hard drives.  
For about 30 UK sterling I could get either an 80GB PATA type disk or a 80GB 
SATA disk  I was a bit afraid of buying the SATA disk because I thought 
I would have hardware recognition problems  But this has convinced me 
that it is not a waste of money to get the SATA drive...

I am also interested in which on line shops you recommend for buying a 
internal hard drive.

Regards

Michael Fothergill

P.S. How much RAM should a computer have to be happy running Gnome, X and 
e.g. Openoffice.?  I have 256MB of NVRAM.  Should I upgrade to 512MB.

I am thinking of buying a new box from an outfit in the UK Golden 
Electronics.  For 170 GBP they will give you a box (no monitor) that has an 
AMD 64 Sempron CPU and a decent hard drive and other gear etc   Plus 512 
MB of RAM.

My notion (trash at will) is that if I buy a 64 bit machine it would last 
longer than 32 bit architecture because the 64 bit machine can handle a huge 
amount of RAM So in 5 years time then if the latest version of Debian 
uses much more memory than today to run gnome and OO then I can but much 
more RAM in there e.g. 5 GB than a 32 bit machine could handle.

Is this logical or is it goofy?

> >or if you want to always have the latest kernel available in sarge then
> >
> >aptitude install kernel-image-2.6-k7
>
> I did this one too and got the same kernel as above as far as I can see. 
 The boot up menu now
> lists these various kernel options to choose from as well as recovery 
modes

Let's assume there will be a newer kernel in sarge (unlikely). This
package would make sure you get it installed automagically, without
selecting it yourself.

> Will this new kernel make it easier to upgrade to etch??  Presumably 
etch official release is

> getting close now.

Maybe somewhat easier. When (if?) you upgrade to etch read the release
notes carefully.

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reinstalling has messed up the printer configuration.......

2006-12-12 Thread Michael Fothergill

Dear Debianists,

I reinstalled Sarge on my machine yet again and have now got it to correctly
identify the DVD's and request them when using apt-cdrom add.

I am pleased with this. The solution was to load the OS with the CD set I
have from the DVD drive (master) not the CD drive. The DVD drive also reads
CDs. This set the default drive in the installation to be the DVD. When I
used apt-cdrom add to increase the package range it accepted the switch from
CDs to the DVDs.

Better still it wrote the two new DVD identifier entries into the apt
sources.list file.

Even better than this when I tried doing apt-get escputil as a test, the OS
requested the correct DVD image to look for this file, not one of the
dreaded CD images as it had done in the last installation I did, and it
correctly found and installed the utility.

I think Ihave now escaped from the tyranny of the CDs.

But there has been a price for this.

I can't seem to configure the printer properly using the foomatic gui. This
used to be easy.

If you fire it up and do add a printer it prompts you with USB printer Epson
D88.

It has detected my printer and correctly identified the model. It is an
Epson D88.

You hit the forward key and it creates a queue name stylus_d88 and location
USB Printer #1 and printer description Epson Stylus D88.

If you click forward from this you get to choose the printer make and model.

It doesn't have an Epson D88 in there as such but Ihave found that clicking
on e.g Epson C82 or C86 seems to be good enough in previous installations.

If you continue with this it gives you some information about the Stylus C82
printer and tells you it can drive it perfectly.

But when you go further it can't find the correct printer driver for it as
it used to be able to do automatically.

I browsed in the PPD directory in /usr/share/ppd, something I NEVER had to
on the many occasions when I successfully configured the printer in previous
installations and could not find a driver for any C82 type Stylus printer in
the Epson folder.

I ended up using a Stylus Color 300 something (not sure what it is driver)
but it didn't work...

I can send jobs to a printer queue nominally for the D88 but nothing prints.

Its as if some printer drivers are missing or somehow the foomatic beastie
can't find them as it used to be able to do?

Everything else is going good and I am pleased that DVD situation now works
as it should do.

My next project is to learn to use jigdo. But I can't move on to this if I
can't figure out what sort of rat poison has got to the printer config..

Feeling smarter and dumber at the same time,

Michael Fothergill

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installing gutenprint on Debian

2006-12-12 Thread Michael Fothergill


Dear Debianists,

I have been looking on linuxprinting.org for help finding a driver for my 
Epson D88 that doesn't like being configured at the moment.


The site says that the driver for the D88 lives in the Gutenprint package.  
Going on the sourceforge site to dow load it has given me a tarball.


I couldn't find a package for apt in synaptic in Debian Sarge 3.1 r4 that I 
use but I thought that I might ask in case there is one somewhere that I 
don't knwo about..


Here are the instructions from sourceforge:

All Other Users

Users of other operating systems, such as Linux, Solaris, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, 
HP-UX, etc. should download the main package, named 
"gutenprint-5.0.0.tar.bz2". This is a "source tarball"; it contains the 
source code for the package and must be compiled to produce binary 
executables. The command to unpack this file is


tar xjvf gutenprint-5.0.0.tar.bz2

On some systems, you may have to issue the following command:

bunzip2 -c gutenprint-5.0.0.tar.bz2 | tar xvf -

This will create a subdirectory named gutenprint-5.0.0. You should read the 
files named README and NEWS in that subdirectory for further instructions.


I  hope that footmatic will be able to see the driver when it is installed 
by the above recipe if I end up having to use it.


Comments appreciated.

Regards

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dumb question about installing etch....

2006-12-13 Thread Michael Fothergill


Dear Debianists,

If I wanted to install etch as a net install, how do I do this?  On the 
installation web page there is a choice of a weekly snapshot or a daily 
built image.  The daily built image has a netinstall CD in it.


Is there a netinstall CD for the weekly one?

I have never tried to install Etch.

Suggestions appreciated.

Regards

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Re: dumb question about installing etch....

2006-12-15 Thread Michael Fothergill

From: Douglas Tutty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: dumb question about installing etch
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:20:46 -0500

On Fri, Dec 15, 2006 at 10:18:28AM +, Chris Lale wrote:
> Douglas Tutty wrote:
> >On Thu, Dec 14, 2006 at 10:15:57AM +, Chris Lale wrote:
> >>Michael Fothergill wrote:
> >>>If I wanted to install etch as a net install, how do I do this?  On
> >>>the installation web page there is a choice of a weekly snapshot or a
> >>>daily built image.  The daily built image has a netinstall CD in it.
> >>>
> >>>Is there a netinstall CD for the weekly one?
> >>>
> >>>I have never tried to install Etch.
> >>>
> >>Did you download the Etch RC1 installer from
> >>http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/? Choose "netinst CD 
image
> >>(100-150 MB)". Burn the ISO image to a CD. Boot from the CD and press 
F3

> >>at the prompt. You can choose a curses-bases installer or a GUI
> >>installer. The installer will install all the latest packages in Etch
> >>directly from the repository. You will need a broadband connection.

> If you haven't got broadband you will need to be patient! It takes me 2
> - 3 hours to install Etch over broadband. I installed Sarge once using a
> 56k dialup and it took a whole day.

Dear Debianists,

Thank you for all this advice  I installed the RC1 version of Etch over 
the internet using a netinstall CD I downloaded.  It took me 1 hour to 
download the netinstall CD image.

Installing the OS was quite fast.  Downloading the packages from the 
internet once the install got underway took about 1 hour and ten minutes 
with the broadband connection I use.  The whole install including farting 
around took about 2 hours I guess.

I could have stuck with Sarge but I got this pesky problem of not being to 
be able configure the printer properly.  I did install gimp print but it 
didn't solve the problem.  I then realised that studying the manuals for 
Cups, Foomatic and also the file locations for ppd files supplied by 
gimprint could take quite a long time.

Longer than installling Etch where gutenprint would be included 
automatically and might solve the problem.

It did.

Etch is very good. I think it is much better than Fedora Core 6 which did 
not install iptables properly and so is not secure.

Regards,

Michael Fothergill

>

Just to see (and to rearrange my raid/lvm setup), I installed Etch amd64
RC1 last night and chose a mirror and had it install the whole standard
system from within the installer.  It took 7 hrs.  I imagine that if I
had asked it to install Gnome it could have taken a week.

To me, the goal of an install is to get the basic system installed so I
can add stuff to it.  It would be __very__ handy if there was a
"standard" task in the task lists (or a metapackage) of aptitude that
corresponded to the "standard system" task in tasksel during the
install.

If you forgo using a mirror during the netinst.iso install, you get a
very basic system but one with enough to get more on it, with your
drives and kernel setup.

Doug.

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dumb question about jigdo and i386 and AMD 64 versions of Etch......

2006-12-16 Thread Michael Fothergill

75.07

Your comments on this are appreciated as well.

I also installed the jigdo (GTK download manager), jigdo-file and jigit 
packages.  It seems as though the jigdo download manager program isn't much 
use for doing this at present.  Correct me if I am wrong.



Regards,

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question about using jigdo....

2006-12-16 Thread Michael Fothergill


Dear Debianists,

If you use jigdo to read in bunch of Sarge CD images and then use them to 
help make  Etch CD images then you do the file scan bit on the mounted Sarge 
CD images.


I assume that jigdo would write the new iso file to your hard drive and not 
try to overwrite the existing CD image.


I am using a CD-R disk and so no rewriting is possible.  I most definitely 
need jigdo to write the new file to the hard disk...


Comments on this appreciated.

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dumb question about gnome bittorrent...


Dear Debianists,

In Etch RC1 I notice that gnome bittorrent is installed with the OS.  I use 
bittorrent in Fedora Core 6.


I have used it there to download Debian CD and DVD images.

When I set it up I had to enter some commands at the terminal window that 
tweaked the firewall etc to allow bittorrent to be able to upload and 
download files.


Otherwise it won't work.

Despite the fact that gnome bittorrent is installed on Etch, do I still have 
to submit similar commands at the terminal to get bittorrent to work in Etch 
RC1?


Is there a recipe/configuration window or other routine that you have to go 
through thbat is Debian specific to do it or could I copy the instructions I 
sed in Fedora to ape this correctly?


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general question about jigdo, OS architectures and server load/space....


Dear Debianists,

This may be a somewhat dumb question but it might have some merits so I am 
going to ask it.


From the postings on the list I have received so far I have learned some 

interesting facts about jigdo, Sarge, Etch i386 and Etch AMD64.

I am very grateful to everyone who responded for their time and patience.

I respect this.

If I understand it correctly upgrading from e.g. A Sarge DVD to Etch is with 
jigdo is pretty much pointless because there is so little overlap of common 
files between the two releases.



I seem to have confirmed this myself in practice when I scanned the two DVDs 
of Sarge 3.1 r4 under jigdo having read in the jigdo file for Etch RC1 CD 
image number 1.


I only found 23 or so files on both DVDs that were common to the 1200 or so 
files that jigdo says comprise the first CD image of Etch RC1.


So I have dumped the idea of bootstrapping an Etch RC1 download with jigdo 
and my Sarge DVDs.  It is a non starter.


However, it does seem as though Etch AMD64 does share a reasonable number of 
files in common with Etch i386...


My new question is this:

If you look on the Debian installer page you see that distributions of the 
OS for a variety of different architectures exist:


	[alpha] [amd64] [arm] [hppa] [i386] [ia64] [m68k] [mips] [mipsel] [powerpc] 
[sparc] [s390]




My question is this:

What degree of common files would exist between all or certain sub groups of 
these different architectures?


Would there be enough in either all of them or a subset that it might make 
sense to make a separate downloadable common iso file image or jigdo file 
set that you could downnload from one common server address and then get 
only the extra files needed to make up the entire distribution for the each 
specific individual architecture from its own server site address?


If so would this not save on server space allocation and download time?

My other question this is this.

Is the reason that the number of common files to be found when comparing the 
Sarge 3.1 release of Debian and e.g the Etch RC1 is very low a function of 
the fact that huge changes have been made across the OS?


Or is it that the underlying contents of a lot of files is identical to 
those found in Etch but they have been given different names or small 
changes have been made to them such that they are not absolutely identical 
any longer?


Is it possible that Lenny could be written in such a way as to maximise the 
reuse of identical files from the point of jigdo that are used in Etch in 
such a way as not to undermine the innovative progress and develolpment of 
Lenny?


Could all the architecture releases of Lenny be designed to make maximum use 
of jigdo in the  ways I am describing or would it be a beaurocratic 
nightmare or a waste of time with no benefit, or worse would it cock up and 
interfere with the development of Lenny?


If you think this a garbage idea feel free to say so.

I don't mind.

Regards

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odd error with jigdo,,,


Dear Debian folks,

I have been using jigdo to download the Etch RC1 first DVD image. It worked 
OK until my internet connection was interrupted.


I fired it up again according the instuctions but no matter which ftp or 
http server site you put in for it to look for files to download I always 
get the same error message:


404 not found.



--02:04:39--  
http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gamin/gamin_0.1.7-4_i386.deb
  => 
`debian-testing-i386-binary-1.iso.tmpdir/ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gamin/gamin_0.1.7-4_i386.deb'

Connecting to ftp.uk.debian.org|83.142.228.128|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
02:04:39 ERROR 404: Not Found.

It does this over and over again very quickly repeating the aboce output.

It always connects on each server but always apparently can't find any of 
the files.  I think the files are there and the servers are working.


Something is wrong at my end...

jigdo sees the jigdo file for the DVD image and reads it in OK as far as I 
can see.  I press return to get past the CD/DVD scan because I am not using 
it.



Suggestions welcome here

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Re: odd error with jigdo,,,






From: Alan Ianson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Michael Fothergill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: odd error with jigdo,,,
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 07:50:53 -0800

On Sun, 2006-17-12 at 14:02 +0000, Michael Fothergill wrote:
> Dear Debian folks,
>
> I have been using jigdo to download the Etch RC1 first DVD image. It 
worked

> OK until my internet connection was interrupted.
>
> I fired it up again according the instuctions but no matter which ftp or
> http server site you put in for it to look for files to download I 
always

> get the same error message:
>
> 404 not found.
>
>
>
> --02:04:39--
> http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gamin/gamin_0.1.7-4_i386.deb
>=>
> 
`debian-testing-i386-binary-1.iso.tmpdir/ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gamin/gamin_0.1.7-4_i386.deb'

> Connecting to ftp.uk.debian.org|83.142.228.128|:80... connected.
> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found
> 02:04:39 ERROR 404: Not Found.
>
> It does this over and over again very quickly repeating the aboce 
output.

>
> It always connects on each server but always apparently can't find any 
of

> the files.  I think the files are there and the servers are working.
>
> Something is wrong at my end...
>
> jigdo sees the jigdo file for the DVD image and reads it in OK as far as 
I
> can see.  I press return to get past the CD/DVD scan because I am not 
using

> it.
>
>
> Suggestions welcome here

How old it that .jigdo file? I had a look at packages.debian.org and I
don't see a gamin for stable and only a 1.8+ for testing/unstable. You
may need a newer .jigdo file.


It's OK. I fired it up again and it eventually found a US site that seems to 
have cheered it up and got it going again.


Thanks for the help.







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Etch froze me out....


Dear Debian folks,

I was running jigdo downloading a DVD image and I had a few other packages 
and windows  open.  I left my machine running (Etch RC1) and the screen 
eventually went dark.


I waggled the mouse and tapped the keyboard several times but nothing 
happened.


The machine was busy.  I think it was still running jigdo.

More keyboard tapping and mouse waggling made no difference.

So I rebooted.

The system seems OK again.

Is this serious?

Regards

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Re: Etch froze me out....






From: Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Etch froze me out
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2006 15:15:53 -0600

Michael Fothergill wrote:

Dear Debian folks,

I was running jigdo downloading a DVD image and I had a few other packages 
and windows  open.  I left my machine running (Etch RC1) and the screen 
eventually went dark.


I waggled the mouse and tapped the keyboard several times but nothing 
happened.


The machine was busy.  I think it was still running jigdo.

More keyboard tapping and mouse waggling made no difference.

So I rebooted.

The system seems OK again.

Is this serious?



Logs?


Here is the messages log file:

My date is wrong for some reason.

Dec 18 03:55:01 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 kernel: [drm] Initialized drm 1.0.1 
20051102
Dec 18 03:55:01 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 kernel: [drm] Initialized sis 1.1.0 
20030826 on minor 0
Dec 18 03:55:01 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 kernel: agpgart: Found an AGP 2.0 
compliant device at :00:00.0.
Dec 18 03:55:01 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 kernel: agpgart: Putting AGP V2 
device at :00:00.0 into 2x mode
Dec 18 03:55:01 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 kernel: agpgart: Putting AGP V2 
device at :01:00.0 into 2x mode
Dec 18 03:55:16 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 gconfd (mikef-2815): starting 
(version 2.16.0), pid 2815 user 'mikef'
Dec 18 03:55:16 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 gconfd (mikef-2815): Resolved address 
"xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory" to a read-only configuration 
source at position 0
Dec 18 03:55:16 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 gconfd (mikef-2815): Resolved address 
"xml:readwrite:/home/mikef/.gconf" to a writable configuration source at 
position 1
Dec 18 03:55:16 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 gconfd (mikef-2815): Resolved address 
"xml:readonly:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults" to a read-only configuration 
source at position 2
Dec 18 03:55:16 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 gconfd (mikef-2815): Resolved address 
"xml:readonly:/var/lib/gconf/debian.defaults" to a read-only configuration 
source at position 3
Dec 18 03:55:16 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 gconfd (mikef-2815): Resolved address 
"xml:readonly:/var/lib/gconf/defaults" to a read-only configuration source 
at position 4
Dec 18 03:55:22 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 gconfd (mikef-2815): Resolved address 
"xml:readwrite:/home/mikef/.gconf" to a writable configuration source at 
position 0

Dec 18 04:14:49 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 -- MARK --
Dec 18 04:34:49 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 -- MARK --
Dec 18 04:43:26 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 kernel: cdrom: This disc doesn't have 
any tracks I recognize!

Dec 18 04:54:50 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 -- MARK --
Dec 18 05:14:50 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 -- MARK --
Dec 18 05:34:50 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 -- MARK --
Dec 18 05:54:51 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 -- MARK --
Dec 18 06:14:52 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 -- MARK --
Dec 18 06:34:53 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 -- MARK --
Dec 18 06:54:53 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 -- MARK --
Dec 18 07:14:54 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 -- MARK --
Dec 18 07:34:55 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 -- MARK --
Dec 18 07:54:55 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 -- MARK --
Dec 18 08:12:27 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 kernel: cdrom: This disc doesn't have 
any tracks I recognize!

Dec 18 08:34:55 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 -- MARK --
Dec 18 08:54:56 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 -- MARK --

I think this is where I rebooted after being locked out:

Dec 18 09:08:46 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 syslogd 1.4.1#18: restart.

Dec 18 09:08:46 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 kernel: klogd 1.4.1#18, log source = 
/proc/kmsg started.

Dec 18 09:08:46 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 kernel: eady [0x1][0x300]
Dec 18 09:08:46 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 kernel: AC'97 1 does not respond - 
RESET
Dec 18 09:08:46 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 kernel: ACPI: PCI interrupt for 
device :00:01.6 disabled
Dec 18 09:08:46 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 kernel: Intel ICH Modem: probe of 
:00:01.6 failed with error -5
Dec 18 09:08:46 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 kernel: ts: Compaq touchscreen 
protocol output
Dec 18 09:08:46 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 kernel: Adding 706820k swap on 
/dev/hda5.  Priority:-1 extents:1 across:706820k
Dec 18 09:08:46 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 kernel: EXT3 FS on hda1, internal 
journal

Dec 18 09:08:46 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 kernel: loop: loaded (max 8 devices)
Dec 18 09:08:46 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 kernel: device-mapper: ioctl: 
4.7.0-ioctl (2006-06-24) initialised: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dec 18 09:08:47 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 kernel: ACPI: Power Button (FF) 
[PWRF]
Dec 18 09:08:47 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 kernel: ACPI: Power Button (CM) 
[PWBX]
Dec 18 09:08:47 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 kernel: ACPI: Sleep Button (CM) 
[SLPB]
Dec 18 09:08:47 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 kernel: lp0: using parport0 
(interrupt-driven).
Dec 18 09:08:47 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 kernel: ppdev: user-space parallel 
port driver

Dec 18 09:08:52 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 dhcdbd: Started up.
Dec 18 09:08:53 spc1-burn4-0-0-cust262 kernel: eth1: Media Link Off
Dec 18 09:08:53 spc1-burn4-0-0-cus

jigdo says the checksums don't match on my Etch DVD download...


Dear Debian folks,

I have so far successfully downloaded the first two DVD images for Etch RC1 
i386 with jigdo.


But the third image seems to have a problem.

After jigdo finished downloading it (this took about 10 hours) it ran the 
checksum test and it says that the checksums don't match and my DVD image 
may be corrupted


What should I do here?

Rerun some of the downloading?

Is there a way to get jigdo to sniff around in the file find some errors and 
throw away corrupted data and replace it with correct data it could 
download?


Comments welcome.

I will follow the instructions patiently until I have fixed the problem.

Loading an OS with a corrupted CDROM or DVD is a waste of time.  I have 
learned this in the past.


Regards,

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dumb question about mounting iso file as loop device....


Dear Debian folks,

In the jigdo how to manual it says that you can update an image with jigdo 
either by scanning in the image from a CD or DVD


OR

if you have an ISO file on your hard drive you can mount it as a loop 
device:


Here is some material from the how to on this:


On the other hand, if you have an ISO file you'd like to update, mount it as 
a loop device (you may need to be root to do this). Using Woody as an 
example:


 # mount -o loop woody-i386-1.iso /mnt

What does this mean?

Do you have to move the iso file to the /mnt directory and then run this 
mount command?


What is going on here?

i.e.

What is the idea of a loop device?

Also what I want to do is to take the iso file for the DVD image of Etch and 
make CD images from it.


I have both DVD that I burned of this image and the original iso file I 
downloaded with the help of jigdo.


It seems to take ages for the DVD to be scanned by jigdo before it can get 
around to making the CD iso.


Would it be faster using the iso file on the hard drive together the loop 
command?


I don't need to update the DVD iso itself just make the CD images from it?

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DVD#1 of Etch RC1 does not contain all the files for CD#2 of Etch RC1


Dear Debianists,

I used the first DVD image of Etch RC1 to make CD #2 of Etch RC1 using the 
appropriate jigdo files.  As you can see from the output only 358 of the 361 
files to be found in CD#2 were present in DVD#1:




Jigsaw Download "lite"
Copyright (C) 2001-2005  |  jigdo@
Richard Atterer  |  atterer.net
Loading settings from `/home/mikef/.jigdo-lite'

-
To resume a half-finished download, enter name of .jigdo file.
To start a new download, enter URL of .jigdo file.
You can also enter several URLs/filenames, separated with spaces,
or enumerate in {}, e.g. `http://server/cd-{1_NONUS,2,3}.jigdo'
jigdo [/home/mikef/jigdo/debian-testing-i386-binary-2.jigdo]:

-
Images offered by `/home/mikef/jigdo/debian-testing-i386-binary-2.jigdo':
 1: 'Debian GNU/Linux testing "Etch" - Official Snapshot i386 Binary-2' 
(debian-testing-i386-binary-2.iso)


Further information about `debian-testing-i386-binary-2.iso':
Generated on Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:50:47 +0100

-
If you already have a previous version of the CD you are
downloading, jigdo can re-use files on the old CD that are also
present in the new image, and you do not need to download them
again. Mount the old CD ROM and enter the path it is mounted under
(e.g. `/mnt/cdrom').
Alternatively, just press enter if you want to start downloading
the remaining files.

You can also enter a single digit from the list below to
select the respective entry for scanning:
 1: /media/cdrom0
Files to scan: 1

Found 358 of the 361 files required by the template
Copied input files to temporary file `debian-testing-i386-binary-2.iso.tmp' 
- repeat command and supply more files to continue


*********

Comments appreciated,


Regards

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the three missing files........