Re: {advocay] Linspire machine
On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 00:01:12 -0500, stan wrote: > I bought a machine with Linspire preloaded on it today. Nice machien, and > cheaper than I could build it. A bit short on RAM, and the CD is a reader > only (no CD writer or DVD). But great value for the $299. > > Reading through the manual that comes with it, I find no information as to > how to use the preloaded software, but quite a bit of nformation relative > to wiping it and installing various flabors of M$ OS'es. > we may not like it, but the overwhelming majority of desktop users run MS, and most folks probably have a few copies floating around > Here's my concern. It appears that the promary intent of this is not to > encourage the new users that might buy this amchine to learn to use > Linux, but instead a way to sell them a machine W/O the M% tax, and > encourage them to load a pirated copy of a M$ OS on it. > if that was the motive, why go to the trouble of installing *anything*? By your logic, all non-Windows-preinstalled boxes are similarly suspect. But perhaps I don't have enough info: 1. is there a law in your jurisdiction requiring preinstallation of an OS? 2. does Fry'$ have a policy prohibiting sale of bare-bones systems (no OS included)? If yes, there's FreeDOS & Debian (probably Ubuntu ) 3. is there a proprietary feature of Lin$pire which lends itself to pirating commercial software? 4. what was the Lin$pire tax, IOW, could you have purchased the same setup for less sans Lin$pire (not necessarily at Fry'$)? (also see #2). If you believe Lin$pire was "free", perhaps you should inform Lin$pire of your suspicions 5. is it not true, stan, that Lin$pire desktop comes with "online help at you fingertips"? (hint- lower left of 1'st image) http://images.linspire.com/losshot-big.gif http://images.linspire.com/screenshots/ss_tutorial1_big.jpg 6. doesn't Fry'$ also sell commercial software? Why would it be in their best self-interest to promote pirating? > This really seems like a bad light to cast the Linux comunity in, IMHO. > depends on the color of your glasses IMHO > What are otheres prespective on this? > huh? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: {advocay] Linspire machine
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 11:28:08 -0500, stan wrote: > On Sun, Dec 26, 2004 at 10:46:12AM -0500, JohnOfArc wrote: >> On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 00:01:12 -0500, stan wrote: >> we may not like it, but the overwhelming majority of desktop users run >> MS, and most folks probably have a few copies floating around >> >> > True, but most of those copies, in my experience, are not legitimite > purchased copies. Remeber the M% license forbids moving your copy from > one machine to another. > while that may be true for some of their OS's, it's not for my copy of W98se: "You may install and use one copy of the SOFTWARE PRODUCT on a single computer...". It used to be on K5, which now only has Sarge, now it's on K7, along with Sarge, Mandrake 10x, and Ubuntu (and its not happy being a minority- I had to give it it's own private drive). I've never read anything suggesting this is in violation of the EULA. And please forgive my scepticism, but unless your experience is extremely broad, perhaps scholarly, I'd prefer a bit of hard data to back up your first contention. >> > Here's my concern. It appears that the promary intent of this is not >> > to encourage the new users that might buy this amchine to learn to >> > use Linux, but instead a way to sell them a machine W/O the M% tax, >> > and encourage them to load a pirated copy of a M$ OS on it. >> > >> if that was the motive, why go to the trouble of installing *anything*? >> By your logic, all non-Windows-preinstalled boxes are similarly >> suspect. But perhaps I don't have enough info: >> why didn't you address this? That's really my primary point! I'm not saying there are no possible explanations (I can think of a few myself), but I want your opinion before donning my tin-foil hat (it itches). >> 1. is there a law in your jurisdiction requiring preinstallation of an >> OS? > > Don't know. > how about... are there any shops selling white boxes w/no preinstall? I'm reasonably certain there's no proscription like this in Georgia, and I'd be surprised if it exists anywhere in US (maybe Wash state?? ). > >> 2. does Fry'$ have a policy prohibiting sale of bare-bones systems (no >> OS included)? If yes, there's FreeDOS & Debian (probably Ubuntu ) > > Ti the best of my knowledge, the only way to buy an asembeled system > from them WO Os would be to buy the components, and pay thier asembly > fee. I don't beleove that they have any pre asembled OS less machines. > if they do they are not displayed, or in the adds. > fair enough > >> 3. is there a proprietary feature of Lin$pire which lends itself to >> pirating commercial software? > > No. >> good >> 4. what was the Lin$pire tax, IOW, could you have purchased the same >> setup for less sans Lin$pire (not necessarily at Fry'$)? (also see #2). >> If you believe Lin$pire was "free", perhaps you should inform Lin$pire >> of your suspicions > > True, I supsect installing it has a small but non zero cost. Althoguh I > beleive that thier primary revenue stream derives from the Click and Run > licenseing of add on programs. > who, Fry'$ (surely not!). Lin$pire? They do seem eager to sell Warehouse subscriptions which I guess includes proprietary stuff, but if you'd care to elaborate... OTOH, Lin$pire knows up front that x% of copies they're selling probably won't be used, and their marginal cost is extremely low.. > >> 5. is it not true, stan, that Lin$pire desktop >> comes with "online help at you fingertips"? > > Truem and it rates a one line mention in tham manual. Which has several > pages on wiping linspire, and installing various windoze versions. Each > one of which also has an online help link. > well, if the one line mention gets the user to the help system, I'd say mission accomplished. Formatting, and installation of another OS, OTOH, is a bit more complicated. BTW, any mention of dual booting ? Doesn't Fry's sell various and assorted versions of MS OS's in nice shiny boxes? What do you suppose people do with those? >> >> 6. doesn't Fry'$ also sell commercial software? Why would it be in >> their best self-interest to promote pirating? > > As long as it sells hardware I think they are happy. The people thta buy > comercial software are not going to change their wasy. > perhaps, but for those teetering on the edge, a mild encouragement from their vendor might push them over (god help me, where's that damn hat!) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Script similar to Redhat chkconfig
On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 11:15:47 -0500, Ian Meyer wrote:
> Does something like this exist for Debian?
>
> I know the update-rc.d is there to add/remove services to rcX.d but
> chkconfig will list the services and what their runlevels are and
> whether or not they are started/stopped. Just curious, is all.
>
> Thanks,
> Ian
>
sysv-rc-conf; curses based; read man page- I like to run it using -p
DESCRIPTION
sysv-rc-conf gives an easy to use interface for managing
"/etc/rc{run- level}.d/" symlinks. The interface comes in two
different flavors, one that simply allows turning services on or
off and another that allows for more fine tuned management of the
symlinks. It's a replacement for programs like ntsysv(8) or
rcconf(8).
sysv-rc-conf can also be used at the command line when the desired
changes to the symlinks are already known. The syntax is borrowed
from chkconfig(8).
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Re: digital camera (100 - 200 USD price range)
On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 20:32:47 -0500, David Mandelberg wrote: > My sister is looking to get a digital camera, and I'm trying to find one > that is compatible with ubuntu or another easy to use debian derivative > (or debian itself if sarge/etch is user friendly enough). > > Any suggestions appreciated. > http://gphoto.org/ my Canon Powershot A75 works great w/Debian, Ubuntu, Mandrake, Knoppix, Wind^H^H^H^H using gtkam as a gui frontend for direct connect, or by plugging the compactflash card into a usb card reader (a Sandisk in my case). It was highly recommended on a couple of review sites, and cost ~ $220 at CompUSA w/ an extra compactflash card as a bonus- two days later, I saw it at Walmart for $175 , so I coulda gotten camera and much heftier memory card for less... http://www.dcresource.com/ which is recommended by gphoto.org, is an awesome site -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cut&paste doest not work with mozilla-firefox on some hosts?
On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 14:26:15 -0500, Ralph Katz wrote: > > You missed this in searching for your answer. :) > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/10/msg03534.html > > $ gnome-keybinding-properties > > Regards. "To fix (in firefox and all/many? other gnome apps), eighter run gnome-keybinding-properties from the shell and set `text editing shortcuts' to "Emacs", or do the same in Applications->DesctopPreferences->KeyboardShortcuts from the Gnome menu." I'm using Sarge/Gnome2.8. There is no "text editing shortcuts" option (both suggested methods invoke the same app). "Help" indicates this choice should be available. Also tried searching for anything appropriate in gconf-editor to no avail. Any clues? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: how to change font of desktop icons
On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:14:33 +, Kamaraju Kusumanchi wrote: > Hi >I am using KDE, debian sid update regularly. Can someone please > tell me how to change the size of the fonts used for kde-desktop icons. I > searched google and went around the kcontrol window but could not find > anything. Any hacks, suggestions would be very helpful. > > I find that the fonts used by kde desktop icons to be too large and > distracting. So I would like to use a smaller sized font if possible. > > thanks in advance > raju > control center | fonts | desktop -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6.8 and usb
On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:18:50 -0700, Freddy Freeloader wrote: > I have been having problems getting the 2.6 kernel to properly identify my > usb ports when my printer and scanner are plugged in. The boot process > will hang where hotplug is loading the usb modules and configuring the usb > devices. The error is "control timeout on ep0in". > same here; never found anything useful Googling > If the printer and > scanner are not plugged in the computer will boot normally but only > occasionally can I get "/etc/init.d/hotplug restart" to complete > successfully. > never worked for me > This weekend I downloaded Knoppix and found something interesting when > booting in the "expert26" mode. Hotplug will find the USB ports but not > load anything. It then says firewire is found on my computer (there is no > firewire capability on this motherboard and I own no firewire devices) and > goes on to "configure" the firewire devices it finds. > ditto on firewire (non-existent); > Once booted I can install my printer but it immediately says the printer > is paused as no such device is available on this machine. > > Why this is so interesting is because I compiled my own 2.6.8 kernel > using a Knoppix .config file. Apparently there seems to be a bug either > in the hardware on my motherboard (Gigabyte GA-7IXE4) or in the way the > Knoppix .config file is recognizing my hardware. > Knoppix indeed recognized and initialized my shiny new Sandisk 8-in-1 and Canon A-75! What's this? uname -r shows a 2.4 kernel- hmmm, musta entered boot params incorrectly- reboot to 2.6 kernel- same probs. as in Sarge. Mandrake Move is only live cd I tried with 2.6 kernel that actually worked, and it worked perfectly (re usb devices; actually, it's pretty slick overall, and as an (ex) Drakie, I got a bit misty). However, unable to translate Mandrake to Debian, so a reversion to a 2.4 kernel was in order (now experiencing a more joyful state of mind). BTW, I'm using ga-7ixe, so will be keenly watching thread- good luck to us both!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6.8 and usb
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 06:04:47 -0500, Shawn Robinson wrote: > > /* On the firewire question, if you have a newer motherboard, i.e. 4 > years or so or newer, the lan port is also a firewire port. check you > bios and/or win32 install if you have one on it.*/ > nah, my lan connection is Lite-On LNE100TX pci card; this mobo is pretty minimalistic- no audio, video, lan, firewire; has usb 1x, won't even do agp 2 > > /* Sorry can't help more, but i'm a very new linux and debian user, > just installed for the second time yesterday and logged on a actual user > for the first time this morning. */ > welcome aboard! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6.8 and usb
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:07:38 -0700, Freddy Freeloader wrote: > JohnOfArc wrote: > >>On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 11:18:50 -0700, Freddy Freeloader wrote: >> >> >> > Hmmm... This looks like a group of Gigabyte mobo users all having the > same problem. I wonder if the bug is in the usb controller Gigabyte is > using or in the kernel? I also get some error messages related to usb > with a 2.4.27-1-k7 Debian-built kernel too. However, once it boots all > usb devices work correctly. The error on the 2.4 kernel during boot is > usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout. It will timeout anywhere from 4 to 10 > times before everything loads properly. > using 2.4.26-1-k7- tried .27, but it lacked alsa-module deb IIRC the only boot message line that looks suspicious is Oct 28 20:04:51 K7Debian kernel: usb-ohci.c: AMD756 erratum 4 workaround if I have time this weekend, I'll see what I can find... and *understand* btw, Suse 9.1 live also recognized my devices, though I had to manually mount them (unlike Mandrake). All the other live cd's I tried were Debian based (big shock), and my Ubuntu install has same prob as Sarge, so I'm suspecting might be Debian specific. Does Slack have live cd? I'll give it a try if avail with a 2.6 kernel (a good excuse to add to my collection...) > > My printer is an HP Deskjet 895C and my scanner is an HP 6200 C. > > Oh, and about my mobo having a lan port as a firewire port, well, this > mobo was made before firewire even existed. > I believe you speak truth -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6.8 and usb
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:07:38 -0700, Freddy Freeloader wrote: > JohnOfArc wrote: > >> >> > Hmmm... This looks like a group of Gigabyte mobo users all having the > same problem. I wonder if the bug is in the usb controller Gigabyte is > using or in the kernel? I also get some error messages related to usb > with a 2.4.27-1-k7 Debian-built kernel too. However, once it boots all > usb devices work correctly. The error on the 2.4 kernel during boot is > usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout. It will timeout anywhere from 4 to 10 > times before everything loads properly. > > My printer is an HP Deskjet 895C and my scanner is an HP 6200 C. > > Oh, and about my mobo having a lan port as a firewire port, well, this > mobo was made before firewire even existed. > we're not alone... http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_id=9324411 :-( 2.4 works OK... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel 2.6.8 and usb
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:48:47 -0800, Freddy Freeloader wrote: >> >> > As an update to this > > I just did an apt-get upgrade this morning and a new hotplug package > version was installed. I was booted into the 2.6.8 kernel at the time and > decided to do an "/etc/init.d/hotplug restart". Wonder of wonders! With > the new version of hotplug it restarted successfully and loaded both my > printer and scanner. > > I thought that was great so I rebooted to see if this would work from at > boot time and my system hung again. After I had to hit the manual reset > switch to get out of that I couldn't restart hotplug at all after booting > into the system. I figured it got corrupted because of just having to > power off the system so I uninstalled it, rebooted to completely reset the > system environment, reinstalled hotplug, and once again my printer and > scanner are working under the 2.6.8 kernel. Sure wish I could boot up > with them installed but at least I can use them with this kernel now. > encouraging, but I'll wait till it Just Works(r) . In a similar vein, I have to restart cups if my parallel printer is turned on before boot; my camera (Canon A75), which worked perfectly a week ago, is MIA- lsusb sees it, ghoto2 feigns ignorance. Thank goodness for weekends... BTW, are you using a usb keyboard? the "send message" key seems to be stuck -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The making of the DVD "Sarge": Directed by Micheal Moore
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:08:13 -0500, C. Tresenriter wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:45:48 -0400 > Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:greg]$ apt-cache show dvdrtools Package: dvdrtools > ~*~*~*~*~*~*~snip*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ > > Unfortunately I'll be doing the burning under Mandrake 10.0 A search > only turns up an RPM and it's for SUSE. > > Thanks tho'! > IIRC, I used K3b, I was using LM 9.2. My notes indicate I had to also install dvd+rw-tools (it's part of the 10 distro- "urpmi dvd+rw-tools" should work), although I had to build an rpm since I was using 9.2. HTH. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question about installing nvidia driver
On Sun, 23 May 2004 20:13:54 +0200, LeVA wrote: > 2004. május 23. 18:19 dátummal Alexander Schmehl ezt írta: >> * LeVA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [040523 16:25]: >> > You must have the compiled(!) kernel sources, if you are using 2.6.*. >> >> Shouldn't kernel-headers be sufficient? >> > When I've compiled my 2.6.5 kernel, and installed the nvidia drivers, it > was ok. But after the make clean in /usr/src/linux (symlink to > linux-2.6.5) the installer didn't work. And that was because it couldn't > find the version file, which contains the kernel source's version, which > exists in the 2.4* kernel's sources by default, but with 2.6* kernel, you > must make the kernel to create that version file. > > This is just my experience. Try it, and you'll find out if it is working. > > Daniel > just built nvidia drivers (nvidia installer), all I have is stock Debian kernel and kernel headers; worked like a charm for me, perhaps it's just beginner's luck (potential Mandrake convert ;-) ). $ ls -l /usr/src/linux /usr/src/linux -> /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.6.3-1-386 which is mostly symlinked to ../kernel-headers-2.6.3-1 (hope I'm doing this right...) $ uname -r 2.6.3-1-386 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI Database?
On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 00:45:30 -0400, Ed Sutherland wrote: > I'm one of those persons switching from a major desktop (OS X) to Linux > (the PPC version of Debian's distro.) I want something like Filemaker Pro. > I know there is MySQL, but frankly, the difficulty level makes me want to > just run and hide in a corner. :) Is there a simple alternative? Thanks. > Rekall, GPL GUI frontend to xbase, MySQL, PostgreSQL (and some commercial drivers also). xbase/xbsql is good for lightweight db- it has limited functionality compared to mysql or postgre, but advantage is it isn't client/server (Rekall opens the dbf directly), so is simpler to use. http://www.totalrekall.co.uk/index.php unfortunately, Debian isn't supported for the $pre-built binaries ;-( get source and build it yourself: http://www.rekallrevealed.org/ I've built for Mandrake and Debian (sarge) , using checkinstall to do final packaging of rpms and debs; I'm not claiming I actually did them *right* , but they seem to work- point being, I'm a hack, so I figure anyone has a good shot at success... pre-built debs (unofficial): http://www.edgar.org.uk/debian/packages/ I've also heard there's work on official debs, possibly available in sid? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
