Re: Experiment: Neophyte versus Windows XP & Debian Woody
This is when you find something that you need to run on your RPM based system, you download the RPM and attempt to install it, only to find out you need another RPM (actually a lib from another RPM) you search for the required RPM and download it and attempt the install, only to find out you need another RPM (actually a lib from another RPM) you search for the the required RPM and download it and attempt the install, only to find ... This was the primary reason I looked a Debian in the first place, I have installed/setup MANY Debian machines to do many different tasks have have never thought about returning to hell. I think RH's recent announcement will be their downfall, as more people who are 'forced' to try Debian, the more that will realize maintaining and adding functionality to a system does not have to be something that wakes you up in the middle of the night SCREAMING! Once they have a good nights sleep, the will head to the server room and send RH to HELL!! John On Thu, 2003-11-20 at 08:48, Paul E Condon wrote: > On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 10:24:57PM -0500, M. Kirchhoff wrote: > > Out of personal curiosity, I will be conducting an experiment this > > ... > > > > Two months later, I--like so many others before me--came crawling back > > to Debian, my hands weary from long hours spent fighting RPM dependency >^^ > > hell, instability, package conflicts, and a general lack of consistency. > > > I left RH long ago, when I was far less knowledgable. I was more > successful at install than you, but never felt I had any chance of > gaining control of my computer within the RH environment. I have no > desire to go back. So, out of curiosity, what is RPM dependency hell? > I'm not interested enough to find out for myself. It sort of sounds like > 'what does it feel like to hit your thumb really hard with a hammer?' > i.e. the sort of question for which direct personal knowledge is best > avoided. So, what is it? > > -- > Paul E Condon > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Experiment: Neophyte versus Windows XP & Debian Woody
On Thu, 2003-11-20 at 15:20, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On 20 Nov 2003 10:16:05 -0500, > John Cichy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > This is when you find something that you need to run on your RPM based > > system, you download the RPM and attempt to install it, only to find > > out you need another RPM (actually a lib from another RPM) you search > > for the required RPM and download it and attempt the install, only to > > find out you need another RPM (actually a lib from another RPM) you > > search for the the required RPM and download it and attempt the > > install, only to find ... > > ..I found it workable, it was simply cut and paste rpm commands and > whines back and forth between the first ssh session and an editor untill > it quit whining, then toss that 55 line 'rpm -Uvh ' into all ssh > sessions. Very interesting, you should write a mini-howto on this, would help a lot of people. The problem with me is, I do have a couple of boxes I 'fool' around with, but in most cases it's hard to justify spending time to find 'interesting' ways to do things (especially when you have to justify to manglers who believe that M$ stuff just works). I spent very little time learning the Debian install, and actually (putting on flame-proof suit) enjoy dselect, and found that everything just worked. Also, as I say below, this was the primary reason for the switch, the secondary reason had to do with a phone call I had with support where the tech guy said he would NEVER do an upgrade, and that they would only support clean installs. > > > This was the primary reason I looked a Debian in the first place, I > > have installed/setup MANY Debian machines to do many different tasks > > have have never thought about returning to hell. > > > > I think RH's recent announcement will be their downfall, as more > > people who are 'forced' to try Debian, the more that will realize > > maintaining and adding functionality to a system does not have to be > > something that wakes you up in the middle of the night SCREAMING! > > ..I came over on RH's decision to ditch the free DL's, "going > Enterprize", is workable when you pass the bills onto your clients, > but I couldn't see where they were going nor how they planned to > match or beat Debians performance good enough to have me buy > a license for myself too. > > ..now, had I, 6 months ago, known Fedora would match > RH-7.3, I would have stayed. Too late now. ;-) > > -- > ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) > ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... > Scenarios always come in sets of three: > best case, worst case, and just in case. > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: W32/Myparty
On Thursday 31 January 2002 18:02, benfoley wrote: > On Thursday 31 January 2002 08:00 am, Geoff Beaumont wrote: > > At 16:01 31/01/2002 +0100, you wrote: > > >Chris Mueller wrote: > > >>Hi, > > >>7 mails with virus W32/Myparty got into my inbox - > > >>all of them from linux-mailinglists. > > > > > >How many harmed your debian system ? 0 ? Ahh, the wonders of not being a > > >slave to bill... > > > > How many of us are reading this email on a Windows box...? > > > > > > Geoff Beaumont > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > while bill does grate, ain't it nice of him to keep the amateur > script-kiddies busy on that side of the fence. Yes, but we might have to be more careful now, billy is going to concentrate on security from now on... John
Re: W32/Myparty
On Thursday 31 January 2002 18:15, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote: > On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, John Cichy wrote: > > Yes, but we might have to be more careful now, billy is going to > > concentrate on security from now on... > > Do you honestly believe it's more than the same bullshit lipservice as > before? No, but it's a nice thought though ;-0 John
Re: 100mbit nic: intel or 3com?
Victor, IMHO (and this might get me flamed), 3com. I have tried a lot of other cards and I have found that 3com's are well supported (by both linux and doze) and just seem to keep running. 3com's are usually more expensive then the others, but I feel the extra cost is worth having less aggravation. John On Friday 01 February 2002 11:40, Victor Julien wrote: > Hi, > > I want to build a debian based router/gateway/fileserver/mailserver for a > home network with 12 clients. It will be quite low budget as the server is > a Pentium 166Mhz. I want the network to be 100mbit fullduplex, so I want to > buy a Nic for the server. Which one is best for maximum performance and > stability? Intel, 3com, SMC or just a cheap Realtek? I think the nic should > be using the cpu as little as possible... > > Thanks for your advice, > > Victor Julien
Re: 100mbit nic: intel or 3com?
I can't give you a comparison here because I bought a 3com 3300XM (because of my feelings for the network card). It has been running non-stop for at least a year now and I have not had the need to look elswhere (now that I think about it, that is a pretty good advertisement ;-) John On Friday 01 February 2002 12:57, Harris, Jason wrote: > ditto .. > > Everone *says* they have world class 10/100 cards, but how many really talk > to each other at that speed reliably ? When I am doing an daily backup > transfers the line runs ~ 85-90 MB for an hour, I've had too many cards > drop down to 10 or half duplex (eh!) or re-autonegotiate every couple of > minutes or so. Some cards just don't do 100 or f/d at all with certain > devices on the other end. > > Intel nics are ok; they are scads better than realtek (don't get me started > on those) linksys or dlink cheapies. 3coms will save you some extra hair > pulling when your 100MB or 1000MB network is suddenly performing like a > 10/half-duplex network running a windows server. 3com has some low-ends; > I'd stay away from those too. I would stick with 905B or above. > > What are peoples experiences with switches ? For the office where the co. > pays, I would have to recommend cisco for the same reasons. But for the > soho or home network, cisco is not cost feasible. How well do small > switches scale ? How many devices/traffic to saturate ? > > Jason Harris > > > > -Original Message- > From: John Cichy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 8:41 AM > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: 100mbit nic: intel or 3com? > > > Victor, > > IMHO (and this might get me flamed), 3com. I have tried a lot of other > cards > > and I have found that 3com's are well supported (by both linux and doze) > and > > just seem to keep running. 3com's are usually more expensive then the > others, > but I feel the extra cost is worth having less aggravation. > > John > > On Friday 01 February 2002 11:40, Victor Julien wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I want to build a debian based router/gateway/fileserver/mailserver for a > > home network with 12 clients. It will be quite low budget as the server > > is a Pentium 166Mhz. I want the network to be 100mbit fullduplex, so I > > want > > to > > > buy a Nic for the server. Which one is best for maximum performance and > > stability? Intel, 3com, SMC or just a cheap Realtek? I think the nic > > should > > > be using the cpu as little as possible... > > > > Thanks for your advice, > > > > Victor Julien
praise to the debian gods
Well, after spending Sat, Sun and most of Mon trying to get Mandrake to install on a K6/3 with 'no joy' (could not make it past package selection), I tried to install debian (woody), IT WORKED ON THE FIRST TRY!! My reasons for trying Mandrake were two fold: 1) I run MySQL as my database server, and the version in potato was too old. I just installed the woody version (best MySQL install I have ever done). 2) I want to use a journaled file system. I did try the reiserfs install set, but it did not support my 3com 905 network card, so I used the 'vanilla' set. What is the quickest/best (I need to complete this box and start converting ALL the others), way to get reiserfs support? Upgrade the kernel or patch the kernel? And does anyone have any reason why I should not run reiserfs on the partion where the database will be stored? Once again, debian is GREAT!!! TIA, John
Re: Re: journalling filesystems comparison (was ReiserFS, ext3 (waspraise to the debian gods))
I want to thank everyone for their thoughts on journaling file systems. Sorry for posting and not answering until now, but you all gave me a lot to review!! Have a great day... John
Sendmail access.db
Hello, I'm at it again. I am currently trying to convert my mailserver to debian(woody). All works except using the access.db to decide who can RELAY. During installation and setup with dselect no mention of the access file or access.db is made. Can someone help me to turn this switch on? TIA John
Re: Sendmail access.db
Thanks for the response, but when I put this in the sendmail.mc and run either make or sendmailconfig it gives the following error: ***WARNING: Missing -T in argument of FEATURE(`access_db', hash -o /etc/mail/access) It does accept the mail for delivery, but does anyone know what this warning is about? TIA, John On Saturday 09 February 2002 16:30, Igor Mozetic wrote: > > debian(woody). All works except using the access.db to decide who can > > RELAY. During installation and setup with dselect no mention of the > > access file or access.db is made. Can someone help me to turn this switch > > on? > > I'm running potato sendmail 8.9.3-23. > You add a line into sendmail.mc: > > FEATURE(`access_db', `hash -o /etc/mail/access')dnl > > and in access something like: > > YOUR.DOMAIN RELAY > [EMAIL PROTECTED] REJECT > > -Igor Mozetic
dselect and resolving
Hello all, It seems the dselect ignores the host file when updating it's lists. I have a debian mirror in my DMZ and have added an entry in my hosts file to use an internal address to access the mirror, but it seems that dselect is ignoring that entry and trying the public address instead. Does anyone know how to make dselect look at the hosts file, my host.conf has the entry : order hosts,bind so I would think that it would resolve to the address in the host file. TIA, John
Re: dselect and resolving
On Monday 11 February 2002 18:15, Osamu Aoki wrote: > On Mon, Feb 11, 2002 at 08:43:25PM -0200, Michel Loos wrote: > > Em Seg, 2002-02-11 ?s 13:50, John Cichy escreveu: > > > Hello all, > > > > > > It seems the dselect ignores the host file when updating it's lists. I > > > have a debian mirror in my DMZ and have added an entry in my hosts file > > > to use an internal address to access the mirror, but it seems that > > > dselect is ignoring that entry and trying the public address instead. > > > Does anyone know how to make dselect look at the hosts file, my > > > host.conf has the entry : > > > > > > order hosts,bind > > > > > > so I would think that it would resolve to the address in the host file. > > > > Did you add your mirror in the /etc/apt/sources.list ? > > If you did, apt-get update (or dselect -> update) should check your > > mirror. > > For "dselect", "apt-get update" is not enough. You need to make sure to > run "dselect update". That what previous post by a debian developer, as > I remember. > > > Usually they still will connect to the public server for download since > > probably your mirror is not as uptodate as the public server > This machine was built on the private network from my mirror, not from the the public server. The problem is that now that the machine is in the DMZ it is it is using my dns which is resolving to the public address, not what is in it's hosts file. John
Re: dselect and resolving
On Monday 11 February 2002 17:43, Michel Loos wrote: > Em Seg, 2002-02-11 às 13:50, John Cichy escreveu: > > Hello all, > > > > It seems the dselect ignores the host file when updating it's lists. I > > have a debian mirror in my DMZ and have added an entry in my hosts file > > to use an internal address to access the mirror, but it seems that > > dselect is ignoring that entry and trying the public address instead. > > Does anyone know how to make dselect look at the hosts file, my host.conf > > has the entry : > > > > order hosts,bind > > > > so I would think that it would resolve to the address in the host file. > > > > TIA, > > John > > Did you add your mirror in the /etc/apt/sources.list ? > If you did, apt-get update (or dselect -> update) should check your > mirror. > > Usually they still will connect to the public server for download since > probably your mirror is not as uptodate as the public server > > Michel. The machine is not trying to connect to the public mirrors because I removed the public entries from the sources.list file. I have 15 machines that I am converting and 5 more that will be added. I created the mirror and set up a cron to keep me within about 4 hours of the public servers before I even started the conversion so I would limit the use of my 'conectivity' bandwidth and also to be 'kind' to the public servers. The problem is that dselect hangs while it is trying to connect to the mirror. This machine was built from my mirror while it was on my private network. The fact that it resolved to the public address while on the private network was ok because the router/firewall passes from private to DMZ. The mirror is a virtual web server on my primary web server so that does not allow me to just define the IP address of the mirror in the sources.list file. I can't seem to figure out a way to get dselect to resolve from the hosts file. John
Re: dselect and resolving
On Monday 11 February 2002 18:40, Michel Loos wrote: > Em Seg, 2002-02-11 às 21:19, John Cichy escreveu: > > On Monday 11 February 2002 18:15, Osamu Aoki wrote: > > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2002 at 08:43:25PM -0200, Michel Loos wrote: > > > > Em Seg, 2002-02-11 ?s 13:50, John Cichy escreveu: > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > > > It seems the dselect ignores the host file when updating it's > > > > > lists. I have a debian mirror in my DMZ and have added an entry in > > > > > my hosts file to use an internal address to access the mirror, but > > > > > it seems that dselect is ignoring that entry and trying the public > > > > > address instead. Does anyone know how to make dselect look at the > > > > > hosts file, my host.conf has the entry : > > > > > > > > > > order hosts,bind > > > > > > > > > > so I would think that it would resolve to the address in the host > > > > > file. > > > > > > > > Did you add your mirror in the /etc/apt/sources.list ? > > > > If you did, apt-get update (or dselect -> update) should check your > > > > mirror. > > > > > > For "dselect", "apt-get update" is not enough. You need to make sure > > > to run "dselect update". That what previous post by a debian > > > developer, as I remember. > > > > > > > Usually they still will connect to the public server for download > > > > since probably your mirror is not as uptodate as the public server > > > > This machine was built on the private network from my mirror, not from > > the the public server. The problem is that now that the machine is in the > > DMZ it is it is using my dns which is resolving to the public address, > > not what is in it's hosts file. > > Let me get that right: your mirror is named http.us.debian.org in your > hosts file? No, my host file contains an entry for: enterprisepenguin.com LOCAL IP my sources.list file has entries: http://enterprisepenguin.com/distributions/debian/ and dselect tries to connect to my public IP for enterprisepenguin.com rather then the LOCAL IP in the hosts file. > That is not the correct way to do it, name it anything else (mirror for > ex.) and update the /etc/apt/sources.list file to point to this address. > > Michel.
Re: dselect and resolving
On Monday 11 February 2002 18:42, John Cichy wrote: > On Monday 11 February 2002 18:40, Michel Loos wrote: > > Em Seg, 2002-02-11 às 21:19, John Cichy escreveu: > > > On Monday 11 February 2002 18:15, Osamu Aoki wrote: > > > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2002 at 08:43:25PM -0200, Michel Loos wrote: > > > > > Em Seg, 2002-02-11 ?s 13:50, John Cichy escreveu: > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems the dselect ignores the host file when updating it's > > > > > > lists. I have a debian mirror in my DMZ and have added an entry > > > > > > in my hosts file to use an internal address to access the mirror, > > > > > > but it seems that dselect is ignoring that entry and trying the > > > > > > public address instead. Does anyone know how to make dselect look > > > > > > at the hosts file, my host.conf has the entry : > > > > > > > > > > > > order hosts,bind > > > > > > > > > > > > so I would think that it would resolve to the address in the host > > > > > > file. > > > > > > > > > > Did you add your mirror in the /etc/apt/sources.list ? > > > > > If you did, apt-get update (or dselect -> update) should check your > > > > > mirror. > > > > > > > > For "dselect", "apt-get update" is not enough. You need to make sure > > > > to run "dselect update". That what previous post by a debian > > > > developer, as I remember. > > > > > > > > > Usually they still will connect to the public server for download > > > > > since probably your mirror is not as uptodate as the public server > > > > > > This machine was built on the private network from my mirror, not from > > > the the public server. The problem is that now that the machine is in > > > the DMZ it is it is using my dns which is resolving to the public > > > address, not what is in it's hosts file. > > > > Let me get that right: your mirror is named http.us.debian.org in your > > hosts file? > > No, my host file contains an entry for: > > enterprisepenguin.com LOCAL IP sorry miss typed LOCAL IPenterprisrpenguin.com > my sources.list file has entries: > > http://enterprisepenguin.com/distributions/debian/ > > and dselect tries to connect to my public IP for enterprisepenguin.com > rather then the LOCAL IP in the hosts file. > > > That is not the correct way to do it, name it anything else (mirror for > > ex.) and update the /etc/apt/sources.list file to point to this address. > > > > Michel.
Re: dselect and resolving
On Monday 11 February 2002 19:04, Michel Loos wrote: > Em Seg, 2002-02-11 às 21:42, John Cichy escreveu: > > On Monday 11 February 2002 18:40, Michel Loos wrote: > > > Em Seg, 2002-02-11 às 21:19, John Cichy escreveu: > > > > On Monday 11 February 2002 18:15, Osamu Aoki wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2002 at 08:43:25PM -0200, Michel Loos wrote: > > > > > > Em Seg, 2002-02-11 ?s 13:50, John Cichy escreveu: > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems the dselect ignores the host file when updating it's > > > > > > > lists. I have a debian mirror in my DMZ and have added an entry > > > > > > > in my hosts file to use an internal address to access the > > > > > > > mirror, but it seems that dselect is ignoring that entry and > > > > > > > trying the public address instead. Does anyone know how to make > > > > > > > dselect look at the hosts file, my host.conf has the entry : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order hosts,bind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so I would think that it would resolve to the address in the > > > > > > > host file. > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you add your mirror in the /etc/apt/sources.list ? > > > > > > If you did, apt-get update (or dselect -> update) should check > > > > > > your mirror. > > > > > > > > > > For "dselect", "apt-get update" is not enough. You need to make > > > > > sure to run "dselect update". That what previous post by a debian > > > > > developer, as I remember. > > > > > > > > > > > Usually they still will connect to the public server for download > > > > > > since probably your mirror is not as uptodate as the public > > > > > > server > > > > > > > > This machine was built on the private network from my mirror, not > > > > from the the public server. The problem is that now that the machine > > > > is in the DMZ it is it is using my dns which is resolving to the > > > > public address, not what is in it's hosts file. > > > > > > Let me get that right: your mirror is named http.us.debian.org in your > > > hosts file? > > > > No, my host file contains an entry for: > > > > enterprisepenguin.com LOCAL IP > > > > my sources.list file has entries: > > > > http://enterprisepenguin.com/distributions/debian/ > > > > and dselect tries to connect to my public IP for enterprisepenguin.com > > rather then the LOCAL IP in the hosts file. > > In fact it the same thing use another name in your hosts file and point > sources.list to that one, this works at least if your DMZ zone accept > port 80 connections to your mirror from inside. I have the same sort of > set-up. > > You can even use an IP in sources.list instead of a hostname. > > If there is still a problem it comes from your second router. I guess my router/firewall could be a little more forgiving, and if dselect will not look at the hosts file, I guess it will have to be. But getting it to use the host file just seems better, why run the traffic across the router if the machines can just talk through the switch? John
Re: dselect and resolving
On Monday 11 February 2002 19:34, Thomas Cook wrote: > John Cichy wrote: > > [snip!] > > This has caused enough confusion! Why do you _need_ to use the symbolic > name for the mirror??? Why not just use the IP address in > sources.list? Like this: > > deb ftp://192.168.83.4/debian stable main contrib non-free Because it is on a virtual server, if you use the IP you hit the top level server which does not have access to the directorys in question. > Regards > Tom
Re: dselect and resolving
On Monday 11 February 2002 19:04, Michel Loos wrote: > Em Seg, 2002-02-11 às 21:42, John Cichy escreveu: > > On Monday 11 February 2002 18:40, Michel Loos wrote: > > > Em Seg, 2002-02-11 às 21:19, John Cichy escreveu: > > > > On Monday 11 February 2002 18:15, Osamu Aoki wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Feb 11, 2002 at 08:43:25PM -0200, Michel Loos wrote: > > > > > > Em Seg, 2002-02-11 ?s 13:50, John Cichy escreveu: > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems the dselect ignores the host file when updating it's > > > > > > > lists. I have a debian mirror in my DMZ and have added an entry > > > > > > > in my hosts file to use an internal address to access the > > > > > > > mirror, but it seems that dselect is ignoring that entry and > > > > > > > trying the public address instead. Does anyone know how to make > > > > > > > dselect look at the hosts file, my host.conf has the entry : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > order hosts,bind > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so I would think that it would resolve to the address in the > > > > > > > host file. > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you add your mirror in the /etc/apt/sources.list ? > > > > > > If you did, apt-get update (or dselect -> update) should check > > > > > > your mirror. > > > > > > > > > > For "dselect", "apt-get update" is not enough. You need to make > > > > > sure to run "dselect update". That what previous post by a debian > > > > > developer, as I remember. > > > > > > > > > > > Usually they still will connect to the public server for download > > > > > > since probably your mirror is not as uptodate as the public > > > > > > server > > > > > > > > This machine was built on the private network from my mirror, not > > > > from the the public server. The problem is that now that the machine > > > > is in the DMZ it is it is using my dns which is resolving to the > > > > public address, not what is in it's hosts file. > > > > > > Let me get that right: your mirror is named http.us.debian.org in your > > > hosts file? > > > > No, my host file contains an entry for: > > > > enterprisepenguin.com LOCAL IP > > > > my sources.list file has entries: > > > > http://enterprisepenguin.com/distributions/debian/ > > > > and dselect tries to connect to my public IP for enterprisepenguin.com > > rather then the LOCAL IP in the hosts file. > > In fact it the same thing use another name in your hosts file and point > sources.list to that one, this works at least if your DMZ zone accept > port 80 connections to your mirror from inside. I have the same sort of > set-up. I just tried this: 192.168.2.40enterprisepenguin.com mirror and changed only one entry in the sources list to mirror with an interesting result, mirror returned a 404 not found error (expected because of named based virtual host) and then the enterprisepenguin.com [PUBLIC IP] entry hung. This say to me that dselect is doing the opisite of what of what I have my host.conf file set up is, i.e. it looked in dns first (and found the enterprisepenguin.com entry), then looked in the hosts file (and found mirror). The host.conf says: order hosts,dns Any thoughts? John
Re: dselect and resolving
On Monday 11 February 2002 21:32, Richard Cobbe wrote: > Lo, on Monday, February 11, John Cichy did write: > > Hello all, > > > > It seems the dselect ignores the host file when updating it's lists. I > > have a debian mirror in my DMZ and have added an entry in my hosts file > > to use an internal address to access the mirror, but it seems that > > dselect is ignoring that entry and trying the public address instead. > > Does anyone know how to make dselect look at the hosts file, my host.conf > > has the entry : > > > > order hosts,bind > > > > so I would think that it would resolve to the address in the host file. > > I'm not entirely sure how this works, but there's a very good chance > that /etc/nsswitch.conf is more significant than /etc/host.conf. What > does the `hosts' line say from nsswitch.conf? hosts files dns John
Re: dselect and resolving
On Tuesday 12 February 2002 06:43, Michel Loos wrote: > Em Ter, 2002-02-12 às 00:29, John Cichy escreveu: > > On Monday 11 February 2002 21:32, Richard Cobbe wrote: > > > Lo, on Monday, February 11, John Cichy did write: > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > It seems the dselect ignores the host file when updating it's lists. > > > > I have a debian mirror in my DMZ and have added an entry in my hosts > > > > file to use an internal address to access the mirror, but it seems > > > > that dselect is ignoring that entry and trying the public address > > > > instead. Does anyone know how to make dselect look at the hosts file, > > > > my host.conf has the entry : > > > > > > > > order hosts,bind > > > > > > > > so I would think that it would resolve to the address in the host > > > > file. > > > > > > I'm not entirely sure how this works, but there's a very good chance > > > that /etc/nsswitch.conf is more significant than /etc/host.conf. What > > > does the `hosts' line say from nsswitch.conf? > > > > hosts files dns > > > > John > > A stupid question are you able to connect with lynx to your virtual host > ? > Seems your internal router/firewall has problems with name based virtual > hosting. I have worked around this problem by by symlinking the debian directory to the top level host and it now does work. The router/firewall does not have a problem with name based hosting, It has been working for over a year with no problems. The problem is I have the firewall blocking DMZ servers from going out and back in. There is no need to do this. The problem is that apt is resolving to dns first, if it does not find it answer, then it looks in the hosts file, so it is ignoring hosts and nsswitch.conf files. Anyway, it is now working. John
Re: dselect and resolving
On Tuesday 12 February 2002 06:35, Michel Loos wrote: > Em Ter, 2002-02-12 às 00:32, Richard Cobbe escreveu: > > Lo, on Monday, February 11, John Cichy did write: > > > Hello all, > > > > > > It seems the dselect ignores the host file when updating it's lists. I > > > have a debian mirror in my DMZ and have added an entry in my hosts file > > > to use an internal address to access the mirror, but it seems that > > > dselect is ignoring that entry and trying the public address instead. > > > Does anyone know how to make dselect look at the hosts file, my > > > host.conf has the entry : > > > > > > order hosts,bind > > > > > > so I would think that it would resolve to the address in the host file. > > > > I'm not entirely sure how this works, but there's a very good chance > > that /etc/nsswitch.conf is more significant than /etc/host.conf. What > > does the `hosts' line say from nsswitch.conf? > > I am not sure this is the problem. > Since when using mirror you get an error, you will get the same error by > using the enterprise.com from your hosts file, since the name to IP > resolution is done locally the result will be exactly the same. After > getting that error apt-get will assume wrong address and begin solving > using the second option: dns and connect to the public server. > The DMZ is NAT'd, ie according to dns it has a public IP address, but the addresses the servers talk to are private. In my host file, I put the private address, this is how I know that apt is going to dns first, because it is saying that it is trying to connect to the public address, but when I added 'mirror' to the hosts line defining enterprisepenguin.com, and used 'mirror' sources.list apt said it was connecting to the private address, but at that point the web server had no idea what it was supposed to serve, so it returned a 404. > > Anyway since you can't get in your server with the name mirror: you will > not be able to use it. Put the server back in the inside zone and not in > the DMZ. It works now. Thanks for your help... John
Re: 486 SX (masquerading DSL connection)
On Thursday 14 February 2002 11:27, Matijs van Zuijlen wrote: > > I have potato on a 486SX, 25MHz, 300MB hard drive, 8MB RAM. It tends > > to drag because it swaps a lot, but otherwise is fully functional. I > > had it masquerading the dial-up connection with no problems. The > > reason I don't have it masquerading the DSL connection is I don't want > > to buy a second ISA NIC. (I actually have a spare USB NIC, but no USB > > for ISA-based machines) > > If your DSL is anything like mine, you don't have to. I have all my > machines and my modem on the same hub, and use pptp to connect my ancient > 486 laptop to the 'net, and then use masquerading, all over the same local > network. I have no idea if this works with pppoe, since that's not how my > adsl system is supposed to work. I have a question on this setup. Which machine is doing the the masq? It seems to me that if all the machines are connected to the same hub as the modem, arn't all machines 'exposed' to the internet through the dsl modem? What is your default route? The reason for the second nic (my understanding) is that all machines must connect through a single masq machine, so all traffic flows to nic_1 gets masq'd then goes to the internet through nic_2. I am not disputing what you are doing, but your statement has thrown my understanding for a 'loop'. John
Re: 486 SX (masquerading DSL connection)
Interesting, so does this mean that the nic has two ip's assigned, ie 10.x.x.x and the ip assigned by pptp when the connection is made? Sorry to seam so stupid about this, I run a LRP (5 static ip's) with 3 nic's and am very happy with it, but am always looking to expand my knowledge ;-) Sorry for reposting this to the list, but currently the reverse dns lookup for my mail serve points to my ISP, and you have my ISP in your spam filter. I'm on the phone with them now to get this fixed, gotta love verison, NOT! John On Thursday 14 February 2002 12:17, you wrote: > all workstations use gateway address of the server machine that initiates > the connection. > that way all traffic goes through box that doing the masq and since you > must use 10.x.x.x address scheme on all your network, those internal ip's > is not routable outside. that way, your internal net is not exposed to the > internet and all is ok :- > > > - Original Message - > From: "John Cichy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 6:35 PM > Subject: Re: 486 SX (masquerading DSL connection) > > > On Thursday 14 February 2002 11:27, Matijs van Zuijlen wrote: > > > > I have potato on a 486SX, 25MHz, 300MB hard drive, 8MB RAM. It tends > > > > to drag because it swaps a lot, but otherwise is fully functional. I > > > > had it masquerading the dial-up connection with no problems. The > > > > reason I don't have it masquerading the DSL connection is I don't > > > > want to buy a second ISA NIC. (I actually have a spare USB NIC, but > > > > no USB for ISA-based machines) > > > > > > If your DSL is anything like mine, you don't have to. I have all my > > > machines and my modem on the same hub, and use pptp to connect my > > ancient > > > > 486 laptop to the 'net, and then use masquerading, all over the same > > local > > > > network. I have no idea if this works with pppoe, since that's not how > > my > > > > adsl system is supposed to work. > > > > I have a question on this setup. Which machine is doing the the masq? It > > seems to me that if all the machines are connected to the same hub as the > > modem, arn't all machines 'exposed' to the internet through the dsl > > modem? What is your default route? The reason for the second nic (my > > understanding) > > > is that all machines must connect through a single masq machine, so all > > traffic flows to nic_1 gets masq'd then goes to the internet through > > nic_2. > > > I am not disputing what you are doing, but your statement has thrown my > > understanding for a 'loop'. > > > > John > > > > > > -- > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 486 SX (masquerading DSL connection)
Yes this clears it up, I'm not using ppp (or pptp) so I forgot all about it being considered an interface. apt-get upgrade brain :) John On Thursday 14 February 2002 13:31, Matijs van Zuijlen wrote: > On 2002.02.14 17:35:55 +0100 John Cichy wrote: > > On Thursday 14 February 2002 11:27, Matijs van Zuijlen wrote: > > > > The > > > > reason I don't have it masquerading the DSL connection is I don't > > > > want > > > > > > to buy a second ISA NIC. > > > > > > If your DSL is anything like mine, you don't have to. I have all my > > > machines and my modem on the same hub, and use pptp to connect my > > > ancient 486 laptop to the 'net, and then use masquerading, all over the > > > same localnetwork. I have no idea if this works with pppoe, since > > > > that's > > > > > not how my adsl system is supposed to work. > > > > I have a question on this setup. Which machine is doing the the masq? It > > seems to me that if all the machines are connected to the same hub as the > > modem, arn't all machines 'exposed' to the internet through the dsl > > modem? What is your default route? The reason for the second nic (my > > understanding) is that all machines must connect through a single masq > > machine, so all traffic flows to nic_1 gets masq'd then goes to the > > internet > > through nic_2. > > The 486 that connects to the internet also does the masquearading. All > traffic flow to eth0, and gets masq'd, but then goes to the internet > through ppp0, which is in fact a ppp connection using pptp (which talks to > the modem via the very same eth0). To the rest of the network the modem is > just 10.0.0.138. Only the 486 is 'exposed'. I hope this clears things up. > If not, I'll explain more. > > Matijs.
Re: 486 SX (masquerading DSL connection)
On Thursday 14 February 2002 14:48, dman wrote: > On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 07:31:08PM +0100, Matijs van Zuijlen wrote: > ... > > I too thought that putting the DSL modem on the hub (actually a switch > in my case) wasn't the Right Way. > > | The 486 that connects to the internet also does the masquearading. All > | traffic flow to eth0, and gets masq'd, but then goes to the internet > | through ppp0, which is in fact a ppp connection using pptp (which talks > | to the modem via the very same eth0). To the rest of the network the > | modem is just 10.0.0.138. Only the 486 is 'exposed'. I hope this clears > | things up. > > Ahh, you have a "separate" PPP interface. > > My service is simply an ethernet card with a cable (crossover, IIRC) > connected to the DSL modem. I use DHCP to get an IP and it's golden. > (I used to have to "submit" a web form to "login" to my ISP (which I > automated with a not-very-robust script) but they removed that > annoyance!) > > I don't think it would work very well if any other machine on the > subnet uses DHCP to obtain an address because then my "server" _and_ > the ISP would both get the broadcast request, but I only pay for 1 IP. > It would probably work if there was a way to make the switch transfer > data to the DSL modem _only_ from the gateway machine (and then only > some of it!). The 3com 3300 XM switch allows me to 'VLAN' the 24 ports into seperate (upto 24) LAN's and allows you to set a port as a crossover, in this case it would it would work, but at $800 US, it is probably not cost effective for general users. John
Re: AntiVirus 4 Linux
On Thursday 14 February 2002 15:23, Game Wizard wrote: > Hi all! > > I have a question for all of you. I need to setup a service that uses > antivirus on linux to scan incoming mail (ie POP3). I already tried > TrendMicro viruswall, and now d/l sophos. Are there any other good (and > relatively cheap, NOT 1$ mcaffee) products that will help me acomplish > that goal ? You can purchase McAffee VirusScan for UNIX for around $500.00 dollars, but this gives you 5 client licences, so that you could scale your email system. I tried to talk them into selling me one license, but they refused (after I bitched and complained they gave me one). If enough people request single licenses they might change their policy. John > If you know anything please point me to the right direction. > > P.S I am aware that my question is not exactly for this list, but I am > desperate. :) > > GW.
Re: 486 SX (masquerading DSL connection)
Actually a switch first broadcasts a request and see's 'who' answers, then the next time a request for the same ip is made, it directs the request to the previously answered port. Some switches can divide to subnets as extra functionality (generally more expensive) but to be a switch, it does not have to. John On Thursday 14 February 2002 15:16, Game Wizard wrote: > umm, perhaps i am wrong as i don't know what kind of switch do u have but > isn't switch's purphose is to divide the network into subnets ??! > > while you think of that, using dhcp with configuration as you have is ok. > your isp will not get the broadcast becouse as i said before, 10.x.x.x net > IS NOT ROUTABLE!!! broadcasts from it, cannot pass the DSL modem, it stops > there. and secondly why don't you add a reservation on the dhcpd to reserve > the server ip be the same all the time ?!!? > > think about it too. :) > > > - Original Message - > From: "dman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 9:48 PM > Subject: Re: 486 SX (masquerading DSL connection) > > > On Thu, Feb 14, 2002 at 07:31:08PM +0100, Matijs van Zuijlen wrote: > > ... > > > > I too thought that putting the DSL modem on the hub (actually a switch > > in my case) wasn't the Right Way. > > > > | The 486 that connects to the internet also does the masquearading. All > > | traffic flow to eth0, and gets masq'd, but then goes to the internet > > | through ppp0, which is in fact a ppp connection using pptp (which talks > > to > > > | the modem via the very same eth0). To the rest of the network the modem > > is > > > | just 10.0.0.138. Only the 486 is 'exposed'. I hope this clears things > > up. > > > Ahh, you have a "separate" PPP interface. > > > > My service is simply an ethernet card with a cable (crossover, IIRC) > > connected to the DSL modem. I use DHCP to get an IP and it's golden. > > (I used to have to "submit" a web form to "login" to my ISP (which I > > automated with a not-very-robust script) but they removed that > > annoyance!) > > > > I don't think it would work very well if any other machine on the > > subnet uses DHCP to obtain an address because then my "server" _and_ > > the ISP would both get the broadcast request, but I only pay for 1 IP. > > It would probably work if there was a way to make the switch transfer > > data to the DSL modem _only_ from the gateway machine (and then only > > some of it!). > > > > -D > > > > -- > > > > The heart is deceitful above all things > > and beyond cure. > > Who can understand it? > > > > I the Lord search the heart > > and examine the mind, > > to reward a man according to his conduct, > > according to what his deeds deserve. > > > > Jeremiah 17:9-10 > > > > > > -- > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ppp problems with strange log diagnostics
On Saturday 16 February 2002 11:51, Laurent EVAIN wrote: > On Fri, Feb 15, 2002 at 05:21:52PM +, Karl E. Jorgensen > > patiently answered: > > [ snip...] > > === > > All of these errors seem to point towards an unreliable modem > > connection. Perhaps you have noise on the phone line? > > > > Can you *hear* the modem when you dial up? (yep - that speaker is a > > *very* good diagnostic feature!). > > Yes, I hear it very well. > > >If they take a long time > > "handshaking", that's a clue. Especially if they handshare for some 45 > > seconds and you end up with "NO CARRIER", as this means that the > > handshaking failed. > > This is typically what happens very often. > > > Noise on the line could also explain the "Modem hangup" errors. > > This diagnostic is very convincing to me since this is > compatible with the very chaotic behaviour of my connection. > (Similarly, when I phone abroad, I can sometimes hardly > understand what is said whereas the link is sometimes very clear.) One thing is to try to keep some type of log when the noise heard, i.e. rain can cause 'bad' lines to act worse. This type of information can help your line provider trace the problem. One of the first things you want to do is eliminate parts of you line that you control, i.e. the wires inside your house or location. I you have a way of connecting where the phone lines come into you location, try connecting a phone there and see if you still hear the noise same amount of noise. I say same amount of noise because modems are less forgiving to noise then your ear, and just because you don't hear it, the modem still might, but if it is clearer outside, you might want to look at installing new lines from the outside to the location of the modem. You want this to be a solid line with as few (none if posible) splices posible. If the noise is still there, you should contact you phone provider and ask if the can run checks. Some providers will have limits to the connection speed they will support, but the fact that you are not able to connect, they should be able to help you. Remember to check you inside lines first though, a lot of companies are more the happy to run checks, but if the find that it is your wiring, they are will charge you for the checks. John > > So, let's suppose that I have noise on the phone line. > Can I do something ? > > > Laurent.
Re: booting with no keyboard or moue
You might want to take a look in the bios settings, usally the advanced settings, I know some IBM systems offer a way to allow you to boot without kbd/monitor (I have 4 that allow this). John On Saturday 16 February 2002 23:06, Alvin Oga wrote: > hi ya Mike > > to boot w/o kb is tricky mouse is less of an issue > - and yeah...cant hit F1 to continue if there is no kb > plugged in > > - if you can be there ... its easiest to just plug in the kb ... > reboot it... and unplug it when the kb is needed on another pc > > - went poking around to see why kvm switches was so expensive.. > > - probably can use a wireless kb to aim it at the pc being rebooted?? > > some fake kb adaptors... > http://www.vetra.com/Elimina2.htm > http://www.raritan.com/products_gdn.html > > http://digital.ni.com/public.nsf/websearch/a01e61042c57d9778625684300572489 >?OpenDocument > > am just wondering... why dont we just insert a pull up or pulldown > resistor on the transmit port of the keyboard connector... > > donno if the linuxbios project allows for "keyboard-less" boots > > have fun > alvin > http://www.Linux-1U.net . how do you backup a terabyte disk system.. :-) > > On 16 Feb 2002, Elizabeth Barham wrote: > > "Mike Millner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Is it a function of the hardware bios or the OS to be able to boot > > > without a keyboard or mouse? I have a Debian Potato system that is > > > up and running. I want to be able to boot the system with no > > > keyboard or mouse plugged in. I SSH to it when I need to check it or > > > do anything. > > > > BIOS. Some BIOS' (notably the older Compaq's) halt on Boot if it can't > > find a keyboard (but if you plug in a monitor it says something like > > "Press F1 to Configure, F2 to continue"). To the best of my knowledge > > this is unconfigurable for these older Compaq's. > > > > > If it is hardware anyone know where I can get a dummy mouse and > > > dummy keyboard? > > > > I looked for these in the past and I don't recall finding anything (or > > if I did it was above my budget). Your options are rather limited if > > your BIOS errors with no keyboard installed: > > > > 1) Purchase a $5 keyboard at the store, plug it in, boot, leave > >the keyboard plugged in and walk off. > > 2) Bring a keyboard, plug it in, boot, remove the keyboard (but > >hopefully you have a UPS). > > 3) There are little devices ($50?) that allow you to hook up > >more than one machine to one monitor, one keyboard, and one mouse - > >you select which one you want to use with a button on the > >device. Use it. > > > > I generally just go with No. 1.
Re: OT: kvm alternatives? (was: booting with no keyboard or moue)
You might look on ebay or something like that, I was lucky, a friend decided he was going to upgrade his and gave me a 6 port KVM. To help you find one here is the info: BELKIN Omni View (model F1D065) This is an AT/Serial type KVM but adaptors can be purchased for a couple of dollars to plug in PS/2 devices. John On Saturday 16 February 2002 23:22, Alex Malinovich wrote: > Pardon me for a hideously off-topic question here, but does anyone know > of any cheap alternatives to getting a KVM for home use? I've got 3 PC's > tucked away under my desk, as well as a Sega Dreamcast that I connect my > monitor and my keyboard to, and none of them care about whether they're > started up with or without these devices or whether the devices are > plugged in afterwards. So, for me, there's no benefit in getting a KVM > for $500+ when I'm sure that there's a "quick and dirty" solution > available somewhere. I've scoured the net to no avail. (I'm not an > engineer, but how hard can it be to have a switch go from one input to 4 > outputs?) > > -Alex > > On Sat, 2002-02-16 at 22:06, Alvin Oga wrote: > > hi ya Mike > > > > to boot w/o kb is tricky mouse is less of an issue > > - and yeah...cant hit F1 to continue if there is no kb > > plugged in > > > > - if you can be there ... its easiest to just plug in the kb ... > > reboot it... and unplug it when the kb is needed on another pc > > > > - went poking around to see why kvm switches was so expensive.. > > > > - probably can use a wireless kb to aim it at the pc being rebooted?? > > > > some fake kb adaptors... > > http://www.vetra.com/Elimina2.htm > > http://www.raritan.com/products_gdn.html > > > > http://digital.ni.com/public.nsf/websearch/a01e61042c57d97786256843005724 > >89?OpenDocument > > > > am just wondering... why dont we just insert a pull up or pulldown > > resistor on the transmit port of the keyboard connector... > > > > donno if the linuxbios project allows for "keyboard-less" boots > > > > have fun > > alvin > > http://www.Linux-1U.net . how do you backup a terabyte disk system.. :-) > > > > On 16 Feb 2002, Elizabeth Barham wrote: > > > "Mike Millner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Is it a function of the hardware bios or the OS to be able to boot > > > > without a keyboard or mouse? I have a Debian Potato system that is > > > > up and running. I want to be able to boot the system with no > > > > keyboard or mouse plugged in. I SSH to it when I need to check it or > > > > do anything. > > > > > > BIOS. Some BIOS' (notably the older Compaq's) halt on Boot if it can't > > > find a keyboard (but if you plug in a monitor it says something like > > > "Press F1 to Configure, F2 to continue"). To the best of my knowledge > > > this is unconfigurable for these older Compaq's. > > > > > > > If it is hardware anyone know where I can get a dummy mouse and > > > > dummy keyboard? > > > > > > I looked for these in the past and I don't recall finding anything (or > > > if I did it was above my budget). Your options are rather limited if > > > your BIOS errors with no keyboard installed: > > > > > > 1) Purchase a $5 keyboard at the store, plug it in, boot, leave > > >the keyboard plugged in and walk off. > > > 2) Bring a keyboard, plug it in, boot, remove the keyboard (but > > >hopefully you have a UPS). > > > 3) There are little devices ($50?) that allow you to hook up > > >more than one machine to one monitor, one keyboard, and one mouse - > > >you select which one you want to use with a button on the > > >device. Use it. > > > > > > I generally just go with No. 1. > > > > -- > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: a way to limit the MB used for a MYSQL database?
This question comes up on the mysql list, and one suggestion is to use quotas (user/group) or make disk partitions of the size of your limit. The problem here is if the disk fills up, access to the tables will be limited or not at all. 'Monty' suggests a patch that can be applied to mysql to return an error rather then timeout if the disk is full, but I think doing this in a hosting arrangement would be problem-matic if your user lost all access to their data until you increased their quota/disk size. I found this information from a quick search of the archives at: http://lists.mysql.com/ A more extensive search might bring better results. John On Monday 04 March 2002 10:23, Alejandro Diego Garin wrote: > Hello: > > I would like to limit the space used for a Mysql database, > a kind of db hosting, each user can store 5 Mb of space for example, > any ideas? > > > thanks!
Re: XFree86 4.1.x ATI Radeon support?
On Wednesday 06 March 2002 15:19, Scott Henson wrote: > On Wed, 2002-03-06 at 13:30, csj wrote: > > On 05 Mar 2002 22:38:57 -0500 > > > > Scott Henson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Tue, 2002-03-05 at 20:33, Shyamal Prasad wrote: > > > > So, can I get myself a Radeon card? > > > > > > Yes you can. I have Radeon VE, which is a Radeon 7500 but suped up... > > > It runs fine under E... also I personally think it runs better than > > > under windows. And if you check on xfree86.org you can check > > > compatibility and it is compatible. So yes. I love radeons and I > > > would recomend it. > > > > A "Radeon VE, which is a Radeon 7500 but suped up"? Maybe you mean it > > the other way around. A Radeon VE costs half a Radeon 7500. Now if I > > know my economics right: expensive = more (but not necessarily useful) > > features. VE is okay under Sid's X 4.1. I don't know about the numbered > > Radeons. I think you need to wait for the full 4.2. > > Really? That cant be right. My card get identified as a radeon 7500 by > all of ATI's utils. I have checked with the site and basically my card > and the radeon 7500 have all the same specs except my card has a few > extra ports on it(DV-I and TV-out). It also have native support for > extending the desktop accross two screens and then have a 3rd running > with a different display on it. I dont know why the 7500 would cost > double of the VE, but as far as I can tell they are the same except the > VE has a few more features. But whatever, that is what I see. And on > the subject of XF86 4.1, I am sure it said it had full support for > radeon chips. 4.1 did say that it has full support for radeon (the reason I purchased the card), it identified the card on my system, and X ran, but, I had many (sometimes 4 times a day) lockups that the only thing I could do was hit the reset button, the machine was completely hosed, no connection from outside (http,telnet,ssh, etc) and to switch consoles did not work. I have seen a lot of good reports about 4.2, and I personally will wait for 4.2 to make it to 'testing' before trying to re-install my radeon. John
Re: XFree86 4.1.x ATI Radeon support?
On Wednesday 06 March 2002 17:57, Scott Henson wrote: > On Wed, 2002-03-06 at 15:34, John Cichy wrote: > > On Wednesday 06 March 2002 15:19, Scott Henson wrote: > > 4.1 did say that it has full support for radeon (the reason I purchased > > the card), it identified the card on my system, and X ran, but, I had > > many (sometimes 4 times a day) lockups that the only thing I could do was > > hit the reset button, the machine was completely hosed, no connection > > from outside (http,telnet,ssh, etc) and to switch > > consoles did not work. > > > > I have seen a lot of good reports about 4.2, and I personally will wait > > for 4.2 to make it to 'testing' before trying to re-install my radeon. > > What version of the radeon is it? That is really wierd because my > radeon is rock solid. X never crashes unless I severly abuse it, and > even then a simple ctrl-alt-backspace will bring it back. Maybe you > just had a buggy version of X(meaning the debian package of it). I > would try it again because now X is quite stable because of the > closeness of the freeze. Its up to you, but I love my radeon and have > never had a problem with it. Well acctually that is not true. I am not > using the frame buffer in the kernel because X wouldnt start with it. I > just let X use the radeon directly. Maybe that was your problem. Well > Im not sure but I was also looking at the X documentation on my system. > It is all for 3.3. Is this a bug. Out of date documentation is bad and > I am really considering about filing a bug against xfree86-common. > Anyone know what severety it should be or even if I should file it? ATI All-In-Wonder 32meg (not VE) Actually, I was running Mandrake8.1, and I spent a lot of time on the xfree list, after about 3 weeks of [EMAIL PROTECTED] with it, I swaped the card out with an 8meg ATI and have not seen the problem anymore. I will probably try again soon, but the 3 weeks of agony (not to mention lost productivity) takes some time to get over ;-) John
Looking for lib's
Hello all, This is my first post to the list so please be gentle. I am trying to migrate my machines from redhat to debian. The first box I am converting will be set up as an email virus scanner. The install of debian went well. But when I tried to install the virus scanner (Network Associates VirusScan for unix) and run it, it complained about not being able to find libstdc++.so.2.8 . I tried to create a symlink to what I thought was the current version of the lib, but the it then complained about un-resolved symbols. The FAQ on the Network Associates website said the lib is not installed be default and the explain how it is on the RedHat CD. I think I found the lib in the binary-i386/oldlibs directory on my local mirror, (now here's the newbe question), who do I get the lib installed, apt-get? I did try to it a couple of times, but odviously did something wrong, because I was told it did not exist. I REALLY want and NEED to get away from RedHat, can you help? A side question, does anyone know of an open-source virus-scanner that does not require a third party scanner? TIA John
Re: Looking for lib's
Thanks for the fast/gentle/imformative reply. I was trying to apt-get the package without the 2.8 DUH! When I said I was tring to get the package from my local mirror, I ment my mirror on my local lan no on the machine I want to run the virus scanner. The scanner is now running, on to the next task. Thanks very much, John BTW does anybody know if there are any MySQL.deb packages available? I mirror the MySQL site, but they do not seem to have one (this is for another machine). On Tuesday 08 January 2002 11:58, Colin Watson wrote: > On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 11:21:47AM -0500, John Cichy wrote: > > This is my first post to the list so please be gentle. I am trying to > > migrate my machines from redhat to debian. The first box I am > > converting will be set up as an email virus scanner. The install of > > debian went well. But when I tried to install the virus scanner > > (Network Associates VirusScan for unix) and run it, it complained > > about not being able to find libstdc++.so.2.8 . I tried to create a > > symlink to what I thought was the current version of the lib, but the > > it then complained about un-resolved symbols. > > Don't symlink libraries like that. It may work sometimes if you're > lucky, but not at all reliably. > > > The FAQ on the Network Associates website said the lib is not > > installed be default and the explain how it is on the RedHat CD. I > > think I found the lib in the binary-i386/oldlibs directory on my local > > mirror, > > Yes, http://packages.debian.org/ tells me that it's in libstdc++2.8. > This is only available in the stable distribution, though. > > > (now here's the newbe question), who do I get the lib installed, > > apt-get? > > Think of apt-get as a package retrieval tool. You give it a package name > and it goes off, finds it, and installs it. So you could say 'apt-get > install libstdc++2.8'. > > If you've already downloaded the package, you don't need a retrieval > agent. You just use the package manager directly: > > dpkg -i libstdc++2.8_2.90.29-1_i386.deb > > (-i is short for --install.) > > > A side question, does anyone know of an open-source virus-scanner that > > does not require a third party scanner? > > There are some around. Try http://www.openantivirus.org/ for starters. > > Cheers,
debian mirror
Hi all, Can anyone tell me the aprox. size required to create a mirror with 'anomftpsync' if I were to exclude everything execpt the i386 stuff? TIA John
Re: netcams
Hello, Linux Journal has an article this month on this very thing... www.linuxjournal.com John On Friday 25 January 2002 19:05, Brian Schramm wrote: > I have been given a 3com netcam and would like to use it on my Linux > system. But I cannot find anything on the net about software for it. > Has anyone got it working? > > Thanks for the help. > > Brian Schramm
Re: Another "testing" vs "unstable" question
Jules Dubois wrote: On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 14:38:51 -0500, Michael Satterwhite wrote: On Monday 21 June 2004 12:03, Monique Y. Mudama wrote: If you're trying to avoid any downtime or difficulty whatsoever, run stable and live with the age of the packages. Not exactly promoting Debian, are we? She is. Debian stable is an excellent argument in favor of running a Debian release. There's no other distribution or flavor providing its reliability or availability. I think perhaps "stable", "testing", and "unstable" were not the absolutely, positively best choices for the flavors but I can't say I could have done any better. These comments are however immaterial. Considering the fact that most distributions ship what debian would consider testing, and another OS sells unstable as a finished product, I think debian's flavor choices give users a good idea of what they are getting. If you need a machine that just runs, then stable is what you want. If your coming from another dist. and are used to applying patches regularly, testing is a good choice. If your coming from the other OS and are used to applying patches, recovering from crashes and having to go in and fix things manually, use unstable, although you might be disappointed, or board, because it's likely that you will have more time on your hands to actually use the machine then you did with the other OS (even though the other OS was released as 'stable' in 2002). Personally, my mission critical corp. servers run stable, all other servers run testing because I have work to do, and I can't take the chance of having to tell an executive that a machine, running 'unstable' has crashed, and I need to spend his/her time getting it to run again. Others here, however, are doing a much better job. You've missed the point and owe an apology. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The future of Debian install??
On Friday 08 March 2002 13:36, David Jardine wrote: > On Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 11:12:53AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > >>"Francisco" == Francisco M Marzoa Alonso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Francisco> An elitist... well, if you can configure X from scratch > > Francisco> faster than the computer itself, then you should think > > Francisco> about go to the Guinness show. Computers are done to make > > Francisco> our lifes easy and to let us avoid repetitive tasks. I'm > > Francisco> not psychologist, but I think making repetitive things > > Francisco> faster is not a manner of evaluate inteligence (or is > > Francisco> it?). A monkey can do that kind of things faster than an > > Francisco> human if it is trained. > > > > This is getting seriously off topic, but this is somewhat of a > > hot button with me. You are touching on the tools vs appliance > > dichotomy here. > > > > A refrigerator is an appliance. I can walk to a refrigerator > > in Hong Kong, and I know how it works: open door, put in, > > 's temperature drops. Sure, there are minor variations (auto > > defrost or not), but by and large, appliance don't require training > > and manuals. > > > > A tool is something else. Take an Axe. Please note that > > complexity is not an issue: an axe is far simpler than a > > refrigerator. But as anyone trying to split firewood know, using an > > axe requires training. An Axe is dangerous: hit the chunk of wood > > wrong, and it can rebound off and take off your foot. It is, however, > > more flexible and can do more things than the appliance (toaster, > > refrigerator) -- chop trees, tear through doors and walls in rescues, > > chop wood to kindling, Executioners axes, war axes, throwing axes -- > > lots of variations for the tasks. > > > > Microsoft has made money trying to convince people a general > > purpose computer, one of the most versatile tools invented by man, is > > really a mere appliance, and needs no training to use well. > > > > I beg to differ. A computer is a marvelous, versatile, > > flexible, configurable tool, and, I prefer to actually learn how > > to use ones tools. > > You can fiddle with your house, your garden, your car, your > computer, maybe even your refrigerator and your toaster, to > learn how they work and to configure them to your taste, but > most people don't have time for all of them. People using > Debian are probably more interested in the computer than the > other things (I certainly am) and it seems to me pointless > for Debian to try to cater for other types. > I am one of those how 'care about', and I 'enjoyed' my debian installs (Was running RH). I believe you should 'know' your hardware, at least the basics (video card, network card, etc). Using the appliance analogy above, it sucks to pay a repair man $50 an hour to find out your fridge was unplugged. On the other hand, debian is possibly the easiest distribution to maintain, so therefor would be a big win for new users/converts. The stumbling block for these new users, the install (hey, doze didn't ask me any of this, I'm scared!!). I would prefer not to loose the current option of install, but I can certainly see the value of auto-detecting. Why not make an option at the beginning of the install, say 'auto-detect', build a tool that would go out and find as much about the system as it could, store this info in a cache file, then begin the regular install. As the install program stepped through the install, it would check the cache for any information about that step. If it finds something, it changes the default values, and notifies the user that auto-detect values were used. Pros: 1) This option gives us the option of running manual or auto-detect. 2) Provides method new users to work-around the stumbling block. 3) Without them knowing it, debian will teach them about their system. 4) The install program would remain 'light' as the auto-detect code would reside in a separate tool. 6) I'm sure others on this list can think of more... Cons: 1) A separate install disk might be needed to hold the auto-detect code 2) I'm sure others on this list can think of more... Just my 2cents, OK, now I'm broke!!! John
Re: spammers are killing me
On Wednesday 20 March 2002 11:30, Vineet Kumar wrote: > * martin f krafft ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020319 19:48]: > > it's either too late in the night or here's something going on. > > IP=3D195.226.187.154, postfix 1.1.3-1 on debian woody, port 25, > > mailhost for 27 domains, otherwise closed relay. > > > > now i find this in the logs: > > > > postfix/smtpd[6023]: connect from host074125.arnet.net.ar [200.45.74.125] > > postfix/smtpd[6023]: 6937F1673D: > > client=host074125.arnet.net.ar[200.45.74.125] postfix/cleanup[6024]: > > 6937F1673D: message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > postfix/qmgr[31979]: 6937F1673D: from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, size=5880, > > nrcpt=25 (queue active) postfix/smtp[6038]: 6937F1673D: > > to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, relay=mailin-02.mx.aol.com[64.12.136.121], > > delay=7, status=sent (250 OK) > > > > try it, it's a closed relay. there *exists* tls client authentication > > but that would be logged. how the heck can this happen??? > > FWIW, I did try a very basic relay test and received 554 Relay access > denied, though I don't know if that makes you feel more or less sane =) > > It might be worthwhile to get a more thorough probe from orbz. orbz has shut itself down, see /. article: http://slashdot.org/yro/02/03/20/1528246.shtml?tid=111 > Do all incoming messages (i.e. legitimately relayed for your customers) > look pretty much like that? I mean they show > relay=some.other.mailserver? I'm thinking maybe it was specified via a > percent-hack or something. Orbz should find that if it is the case. I > haven't used postfix, so I can't say where to look. > > good times, > Vineet
Re: copy protected audio cds with linux ?
Stupid question...I thought making a copy of the original CD to 'preserve' it was 'acceptable' use?? On another note, I buy CDs (I know I can 'share' but until now, I like have the originals, I still have a collection of LPs, but no turntable ;-) for my office to play while I'm working, on my PC. I have not used any of the file sharing services before, but... Now for the dark side... how hard can it be to connect a digital out on the cd player to a digital in on a computer and ... When will the get it through their heads, if it can be secured, it can be cracked! On Monday 25 March 2002 15:26, Dave Steinberg wrote: > On 25 Mar 2002, Oliver Elphick wrote: > > I believe these copy-protection schemes work by introducing a lot of > > errors on the CD. Audio CD players skip them but computers treat the CD > > as faulty. > > > > If this were in Britain I would take the CD back to the shop as unfit > > for the purpose for which it was sold and/or complain to Trading > > Standards. I should have thought that you could do something similar in > > Germany, since the quality of the CD has been deliberately downgraded. > > Hi Oliver, hi all, > > In that case, get ready to start making a lot of trips to the record > store. > > From what I understand, Sony Music is, this week, starting to release all > new albums with their key2audio protection (http://www.key2audio.com/). > It seems the first disc to be crippled is the Celine Dion release, "A New > Day Has Come." Dion is, far and away, Sony's biggest selling artist, so > it's pretty safe to conclude that the experiments are over, and Sony is > going full speed ahead. > > According to the site, "...key2audio does not introduce artificial > (C2) errors into the music, thereby preserving the title's original sound > quality...A hidden signature applied to the disc during glass master > manufacturing prevents playback on PC/MAC and thereby prevents copying or > track ripping. The high reliability is due to the fact that the audio > part fully complies with the Red Book standard - not a single bit is > changed in the audio data stream - i.e.: no uncorrectable errors are used > to protect the audio data." > > Apparently, the discs are clearly labeled along the lines of "This CD > does not play on PC/MAC." > > If the claims of Red Book compliance are true, and the CD's are clearly > labelled as not playing on PC's, how can we justify returning them? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
OT: copy protected audio cds with linux ?
On Monday 25 March 2002 16:55, Craig Dickson wrote: > begin Dave Steinberg quotation: > > According to the site, "...key2audio does not introduce artificial > > (C2) errors into the music, thereby preserving the title's original sound > > quality...A hidden signature applied to the disc during glass master > > manufacturing prevents playback on PC/MAC and thereby prevents copying or > > track ripping. The high reliability is due to the fact that the audio > > part fully complies with the Red Book standard - not a single bit is > > changed in the audio data stream - i.e.: no uncorrectable errors are used > > to protect the audio data." > > I don't understand this. What is this "hidden signature", and how does > it prevent the disc from playing on a CD-ROM drive? If the disc is fully > Red Book-compliant, then why would it not play? Is this a cheap trick > like putting a faulty non-audio session on the disc (separate from the > Red Book CD audio data) in the hope that a CD-ROM drive would be > confused by it, and therefore be unable to read it? Now that I think about it, I remember on the show TheScreenSavers (http://thescreensavers.com), they had a show where the took apart a CD Player (sorry I don't remember the brand) and found a computer CD-ROM inside. Will the CDs play on this equiptment? Who would be liable if not? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [headed OT] Re: scripting
On Monday 15 April 2002 21:56, John S. J. Anderson wrote: > jeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > when would you use programming as opposed to scripting? > > Well, before I answer that, define, if you would, the difference > between "programming" and "scripting". (Warning: I don't think there's > much of one, if any.) > > In my mind, your earlier question was a "programming" question, in > that it could be effectively answered without "scripting" anything -- > no other apps were being driven by the Perl that I and others > wrote. The fact that the code was in Perl doesn't make it > "scripting". IMHO programing is identifing a problem/need, conceiving a solution, picking a language best suited to impliment the solution, coding the solution, testing the code, and implimenting it. With that said, I have to agree with the above, just because you develope in perl, doesn't make you a scripter, unless the perl you write is just a list of calls to other programs, in which case the perl code is just 'glue' and is therefor a 'script' for the 'actors' (other programs) to follow. This seems to me to be the beginings of a worse 'holy war' the the questions like, which is better BLANK or BLANK (you fill in the blanks). Have a great day... John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian take on UnitedLinux?
I'm sure that it won't make a whole lot of difference, but RedHat asked me to fill out a survey last week (I used to run all RedHat servers), I answered the survey and explained that I had converted all my servers (15) to debian because RPM just does not cut it. I would not expect RedHat to convert to the 'debian-way', and now that I have the servers running debian, I won't go back (unless debian went away), but if enough RH->debian converts gave them numbers and reasons, maybe (not holding my breath) the will improve RPM and standardize their distribution. John On Fri, 31 May 2002 10:41:37 -0700 Walter Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, May 31, 2002 at 12:21:37PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > > Unfortunately, if I wanted a "hamburger" in Minnesota in February, > > you wouldn't fire up your grill. > > Um, speak for yourself. Grilling is a year-round thing for some up us > Minnesotan's! Neither rain nor sleet nor snow shall keep us from our appointed > burger filpping... :-) > > > Fortunately, with tasksel, debian isn't _that_ much of a roll- > > your-own distro, like Rock & Gentoo are. > > Yeah, and gentoo has no concept of "stable", and updates just are not tested > well enough. Tried it, moved to debian. > > > I'd give woody to a power user to install on his own machine > > _sooner_ than I'd give him an RPM-based distro because of the > > RPM Hell that he _will_ descend into when he tries to upgrade > > something complex. > > You mean something like the current version of Enlightenment? Been there, > felt the burning embers of hell. RPM just doesn't cut it. > > Unfortunately, these decisions won't be made from a technological point of > view. It's gonna be a "compete with redhat by being similar" thing. Too bad. > If the current customer base of the united linux members and corporate > supporters (IBM / HPac, etc.) were to lobby, THAT might make a difference. > > Although letters of "This is why I dumped you and went to debian" might help > too. > > While I can understand the "who cares what they do" attitude, it is helpful to > have increased corporate sponsership. They have resources and mindshare. > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: WM Suggestions
On Fri, 7 Jun 2002 10:01:40 -0600 "Robert L. Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Although this is not a window manager suggestion, I would like to offer something that I just went through. I experenced 'random' hangs and was blaming the WM after changing to another, still experenced the same thing, made another change still same problem. Although I was not running a dual system, I was running an AMD Athlon 950 w/768megs ram, so I could not understand why this was happening across the board. Then finely on one of these 'random' hand the system would not come back up, one of the drives had failed. After removing the drive, I have not had a problem (knocking on every piece of wood I can find ;-) sence, and I have tried all the WM again. It seems that the drive was getting ready to fail and would randomly 'choke', but on reboot would start up again. Not sure if this will help, but... John > > > Ok, running gnome at work. Been useing Sawfish-gnome as my window > manager. I'm having problems with the system hanging randomly with no > error messages, etc. The only thing I haven't eliminated yet is sawfish > and gnome. Anyone have any suggestions on a good gnome-compliant window > manager, preferably one that's semi-light weight as I'm running on a > dual p2-450 with 512 megs of ram. > > > :wq! > --- > Robert L. Harris| Micros~1 : > Senior System Engineer |For when quality, reliability > at RnD Consulting | and security just aren't > \_ that important! > DISCLAIMER: > These are MY OPINIONS ALONE. I speak for no-one else. > FYI: > perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);' > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
