Re: web mail interface
On Wed, 2004-12-08 at 18:54, Jacob S wrote: > On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 10:29:47 -0800 (PST) > "Ron Farrer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Wed, December 8, 2004 4:29, Robert Vangel said: > > > Gregory Seidman wrote: > > >> I use squirrelmail on top of courier-imap, but I haven't tried it > > >with> particularly large mailboxes. I have no trouble sending email > > >through> it, > > >> however. > > > > > > I use squirrelmail on top of courier-imap as well (sometimes.. > > > thunderbird right now), and I have folders larger than 3000 emails, > > > and I have no problems. > > > > I'd suggest that the original poster has a configuration or IMAP > > server issue. I use squirrelmail with uw-imapd without any problems on > > a multiuser server. I have one folder with just over 2000 emails and > > it handles it just fine. > > I've seen this problem before, but I don't think it's a bug. We had a > user with several mailboxes with more than a couple thousand e-mails per > folder. We're also running squirrelmail on top of courier-imap. > > The current development version of squirrelmail has a new feature for > the purpose of correcting this. Current (in Sarge) versions of > squirrelmail look at the headers for every e-mail in the folder. The new > version will only look at the headers for each e-mail that will be > displayed on the current page. > > HTH, > Jacob > Hey just thought i would say my bit :) I have courier-imap running here on a freebsd boxen... its got a frw mail accounts of around 18,000 mails in at the mo. squirrel wont even log me into the account over about 2,000 it seemed to give up on me, the server IS configured correctly. I use evolution and thunderbird for desktop clients and for webmail the only client i have found that dont crap its self at the large sized box is IlohaMail which loads the account perfect and fast :-) so maybe give that a try :) just me bit :P Bye! Grant. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Once Sarge becomes stable...
On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 18:22:38 -0400 Rick Friedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Roberto C. Sanchez wrote: > > I'll have to disagree on this. I think it is always better to > > specifically name the ditribution you want to track in sources.list. > > For example, woody, sarge, sid, etc. > > > > It is much more apparent, that way, what the intent is. > > > > -Roberto > > > > For me, also being rather new to Debian, this raises another question. > Currently, I am running an "unstable" machine (I have unstable in > sources.list). I will probably keep that. I'm just curious: If someone > has "sid" in sources.list, does sid become the new testing? If so, > what will be the distro name of unstable? > > I hope that's clear. :) > > Rick > - -- > "If life was fair, Elvis would be alive and all the impersonators > would > be dead." - Johnny Carson > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFCo3stOlHq0MpoXLoRAg/aAJ9AANQ+OeMSy6Oe9hbKrTGAIQgkfgCdEW29 > AgZxNU7pRMh8MnevMbG37pc= > =PVNs > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Hey, Sid is and will allways be the unstable release so you dont need to worry. Its only testig and stable that change names. Hope this helps >From Grant. pgpoL2WOmkget.pgp Description: PGP signature
Icewm and backgrounds ?
Hey! I just resently installed debian testing onto my laptop, i have selected a nice theme... but i cant set a nice background could someone tell me how i can set a background and what format it needs to be in ? Thanks! Grant. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Icewm and backgrounds ?
Jacob S wrote: On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 18:30:12 +0100 Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey! I just resently installed debian testing onto my laptop, i have selected a nice theme... but i cant set a nice background could someone tell me how i can set a background and what format it needs to be in ? Icepref is the easiest tool I have found for changing icewm settings, including wallpaper. (apt-get install icepref, if it's not already installed.) Run icepref from a rxvt or xterm and you can change a ton of settings in icewm to work the way you want them to. Go to the 'Background' tab in the left column to tell it what wallpaper you want. I commonly use .jpg files for wallpaper. I'm not sure what other formats Icewm may support, though I would imagine it would support most any .gif, .jpg, .png or .bmp. Also note that you'll need to log out of X and back in before it will use your new wallpaper and settings. HTH, Jacob Hey, Thanks for the reply! I installed icepref and used it to set the background, then logged out and in again but there is still no background image... is there a certain format the image needs to be in to work? Thanks. Grant. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Icewm and backgrounds ?
Jacob S wrote: On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:48:21 +0100 Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jacob S wrote: On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 18:30:12 +0100 Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I just resently installed debian testing onto my laptop, i have selected a nice theme... but i cant set a nice background could someone tell me how i can set a background and what format it needs to>be in ? Icepref is the easiest tool I have found for changing icewm settings, including wallpaper. (apt-get install icepref, if it's not already installed.) Run icepref from a rxvt or xterm and you can change a ton of settings in icewm to work the way you want them to. Go to the 'Background' tab in the left column to tell it what wallpaper you want. I commonly use .jpg files for wallpaper. I'm not sure what other formats Icewm may support, though I would imagine it would support most any.gif, .jpg, .png or .bmp. Also note that you'll need to log out of X and back in before it will use your new wallpaper and settings. Thanks for the reply! I installed icepref and used it to set the background, then logged out and in again but there is still no background image... is there a certain format the image needs to be in to work? Are you starting X by running 'startx' from the command line, or are you using a Display Manager, like kdm, gdm, xdm, etc.? Gdm starts everything properly for me, when I tell it to use IceWM at login time. However, from the command line I have had to add the following to ~/.xsession : #!/bin/bash /usr/bin/icewmbg & /usr/bin/icewm (Also note that /usr/bin/icewm can be replaced with /usr/bin/icewm-gnome, depending on which you have installed and which you want to use.) HTH, Jacob Hey! Thanks for that! i added /usr/bin/icewmbg & to my .xsession and it worked great :) Thanks Grant. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Way OT] Re: GMAIL Invites..!
Bob Underwood wrote: On Tuesday 05 October 2004 02:32 pm, calvin wrote: On Tue, Oct 05, 2004 at 08:24:10AM -0500, Rodney Richison wrote: Top posting leads to a big mess. Every non-technical person does it and it ends up with them saying "let's use a forum or something" because they can't follow the thread any longer. Surprise surprise, a forum works with bottom posting and everybody seems to find that normal. I run a list for techs/consultants. (ChannelVar.com) They are a VERY qualified bunch of guys. (Admittedly not linux users though) :) So qualified that the site is not even up... www.channelvar.com is NOT up. channelvar.com (no www!) is! just had to check it for myself. lol seems i am special! both work for me :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: not getting posts
Jason G Skala wrote: I have been getting posts but getting them either the next day or hours later and missing posts as well, I will get 5 replies to a topic but not an original post about it. this has been on going for a week for me. Is everyone getting post to Debian user or have I been thrown off list??? I'm not receiving posts. Doug -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yea i seem to have the same problem... i just had a big swam of about 100 mails just suddenly come through... so i am assuming there is something wrong on the list end of things... as normal mail comes through fine here.. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
LAN APT-GET ?
Hey, Just wondering if i was to download all debian woody cd's could i copy the contents to a folder on my Intranet server and use that as an apt-get source... as every UK apt-get source seems to give me errors or is missing parts. It would only be for LAN access and would be accessable from a url like http://server1/debian Thanks Grant. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Linux is not for consumers!
Cletus H Baird III wrote: Go to your local bookstore and buy a copy of Linux Format Magazine with either Fedora Core2 or Mandrake 10. Mandrake is easiest to install on all types of networks, the distro will almost do it for you! You just choose what you want to set up; it will probe and configure. Most of the distros found on their magazines are complete for HD installation. I am 61 yrs old running dual boot WindowsXp and Mandrake 10 on a Pentium II box..If I can, you can. I like my linux better than windows (any flavor). My old box can't run some of the newer stuff that requires 6oo mhz processor or better..but Redhat,Mandrake, and Fedora always work. Debian is cool! but its much harder to configure! Hey, I have found SUSE Personal version to be VERY easy to install/use and configure, i think of it as a bridge between windows and linux. I know it is linux but, it allows you to have a nice simple point and click options (like windows), while still being very stable and fast :) (unlike windows) I havnt tried anything big on suse yet, i'll stick to my debian boxen for things that are important :). Just my 2cents. Byez. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kernel Compile
Hey, I have a laptop P2 300mhz, 128mb ram and a desktop box thats 2ghz,512mb ram. The question is that could i use my 2ghz machine to make and compile a kernel, then package it up into a .deb and send it to the laptop and install it and it work ? Would i need any extras ? i know i would have to select the hardware for the laptop, but would i need to include the hardware for the 2ghz or just the laptop ? Thanks Grant. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel Compile
Stefan O'Rear wrote: On Tue, Aug 31, 2004 at 01:06:59AM +0100, Grant wrote: Hey, I have a laptop P2 300mhz, 128mb ram and a desktop box thats 2ghz,512mb ram. The question is that could i use my 2ghz machine to make and compile a kernel, then package it up into a .deb and send it to the laptop and install it and it work ? Would i need any extras ? i know i would have to select the hardware for the laptop, but would i need to include the hardware for the 2ghz or just the laptop ? Probably just the laptop, BUT, I seem to recall the *config doing limited hardware probing (like, if you don't watch out you'll get a P4 only kernel). You may wish to look into distcc. It is a wrapper for gcc that spreads the work between multiple computers, e.g: Your laptop and your desktop will be faster than your desktop alone. Hey, Thanks for the reply. I think i will try a compile on my desktop first and then transfer it over. As the laptop has only just been installed up so i havnt a problem with loosing anything if the kernel doesnt work or i mess something up. Then if that doesnt work, i think i will look at trying the other thing you mentioned about spreading between them. Thanks again Grant. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel Compile
Sergio Basurto wrote: Why you must recompile the kernel?, the current dist support almost any hardware!! If you really need to do that: You must compile the Kernel with the hardware of the laptop, there is not need to include your desktop hardware. kernel-package in woody dist, can help you to achive the .deb package easily. I also recomend you that have a look to: http://www.digitalhermit.com/linux/Kernel-Build-HOWTO.html Is a very good reference. Regards. On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 01:06:59 +0100, Grant wrote: Hey, I have a laptop P2 300mhz, 128mb ram and a desktop box thats 2ghz,512mb ram. The question is that could i use my 2ghz machine to make and compile a kernel, then package it up into a .deb and send it to the laptop and install it and it work ? Would i need any extras ? i know i would have to select the hardware for the laptop, but would i need to include the hardware for the 2ghz or just the laptop ? Thanks Grant. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ing. Sergio Basurto Juárez Tel: 04455-85322945 Hey, I need to compile the kernel as i havnt been able to get the sound card working on my laptop. The laptop is a omnibook 4150A, the B version is supported quite well from what i have seen on the internet, but i havnt had much luck with this laptop on anything other than mandrake, so i am assuming that if i recompile the kernel i can add in what ever mandrake used for my sound card. from a few sites they say its a CS4282 but everything i have tried so far hasnt worked so i am hopping this compile will sort it :) I wont include the desktop hardware i was just curious as it's using the desktop to compile so i thought it might be needed :) Thanks. Grant. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kernel boot problem?
Hey, I kinda have a problem, I have compiled now 4 kernel's and the first two kernel's got stuck on this message at boot. VFS: Cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(3,1) Please append a correct "root=" boot option Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) The other two kernels i did get stuck on this. VFS: Cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(0,0) Please append a correct "root=" boot option Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) The only difference in the two messages is the "unknown-block" section. I used the old .config file so i would have what i needed for the new kernel and all i added was select a few sound card things. Have i added something that i shouldnt have ? or something i have missed ? I have checked the root= line in the grub config and it reads the same as the current kernel which is 2.6.7-1 and the one i am trying to compile is 2.6.8 Thanks in advance :) Grant. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel boot problem?
Paul Johnson wrote: <#secure method=pgp mode=sign> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Hey, I kinda have a problem, I have compiled now 4 kernel's and the first two kernel's got stuck on this message at boot. VFS: Cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(3,1) Please append a correct "root=" boot option Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) Sounds like you're making a kernel with no initrd and all the filesystems are modules. initrd is a pain in the butt, just compile the filesystems you need at boot time right into the kernel. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBNLybUzgNqloQMwcRAoDBAKCNsyVxXUMAZ7x+wU7ar+OV/snaXACfd8Ny vM6MkC8zmBqqXXbJXSclxSM= =4R3O -END PGP SIGNATURE- Hey, Forgot to say that i am using make-kpkg then i am transfering it to my laptop to then installing the kernel. I just tried another 3times and this time i made sure i made the filesystems in the kernel and not modules, but i still got the same error. Is there a way i can use make-kpkg to make a initrd as the 2.6.7 (original kernel) has one but the one i keep trying to make is missing, is that the problem ? how would i make one and transfer it to the laptop... Thanks. Grant. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Kernel boot problem?
Stefan O'Rear wrote: On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 01:43:47AM +0100, Grant wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I have compiled now 4 kernel's and the first two kernel's got stuck on this message at boot. VFS: Cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(3,1) Please append a correct "root=" boot option Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) Sounds like you're making a kernel with no initrd and all the filesystems are modules. initrd is a pain in the butt, just compile the filesystems you need at boot time right into the kernel. Forgot to say that i am using make-kpkg then i am transfering it to my laptop to then installing the kernel. I just tried another 3times and this time i made sure i made the filesystems in the kernel and not modules, but i still got the same error. Is there a way i can use make-kpkg to make a initrd as the 2.6.7 (original kernel) has one but the one i keep trying to make is missing, is that the problem ? how would i make one and transfer it to the laptop... VFS: Cannot open root device "hda1" or unknown-block(3,1) Try compiling your IDE controller and drive drivers into the kernel. (if you're one of the 1e-something of us who uses SCSI, change the directions.) Hey, *slaps forhead!* I didnt think someone said about doing that for the filesystems, i never thought about it might need it for other things, i guess that initrd is quite important if you use modules for your kernel... Anyways i will give that a try. Thanks again Grant. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Help! (corier-imap + webmail)
Hey, I've been trying to a while to get a Imap server running with webmail, I have installed courier-imap using apt-get and i have downloaded and extract/configured ISMail (http://www.insidesystems.net/projects.php) and i also installed exim4 using apt-get again. I have looked all over the internet and at the makers sites, but i cant find anything simple and basic. What i want to do is make this server handle mail for two domains. Problem is i cant find anything about just adding domains to courier-imap, also to make things worse i cant find anything simple to addusers to the server... I know i need to setup the domains before i can add users but i still cant find anything simple. Could someone give me some help on this... i really want to get up and running so i can turn my old mail server off... Specs: 400mhz Celeron 128mb Ram 4gb Drive Running: Debian testing If anymore info is needed let me know :) Thanks. Grant. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Addusers and domains ?
Hey, Anyone know how i can add domains and users to Courier-imap ??? I have a webmail interface (ISMail) but i dont know how to addusers... I have searched the internet but i havnt found anything useful... So could someone give me a quick idea on how to do it... Thanks Grant. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BIG mail box...
Hey!. I setup qmail and courier imap last night... i also installed squirrelmail... which works fine! IF i have small mail boxes... but me being me... copied all my old mail into the new mail box and now squirrelmail wont load the box... its obviously too big for it... As Mozilla picks up the mail fine and shows them all fine too :) So my question is... anyone know of a better/good webmail client that can handle big mail boxes... i've looked at silkymail but it looks a little old i dunno if i could make a theme i havnt really looked into that... i really wanted squirrelmail or something that looked as good, unless there is a something i can edit so it accepts the bigger mail box ? Thanks in advance Grant. Ps - there is abount 4000 mails in the box... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BIG mail box...
Jacob S wrote: On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:58:07 +0100 Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey!. I setup qmail and courier imap last night... i also installed squirrelmail... which works fine! IF i have small mail boxes... but me being me... copied all my old mail into the new mail box and now squirrelmail wont load the box... its obviously too big for it... As Mozilla picks up the mail fine and shows them all fine too :) So my question is... anyone know of a better/good webmail client that can handle big mail boxes... i've looked at silkymail but it looks a little old i dunno if i could make a theme i havnt really looked into that... i really wanted squirrelmail or something that looked as good, unless there is a something i can edit so it accepts the bigger mail box ? I've heard Squirrelmail's latest development branch (1.5.xx?) has a fix for this. If your webmail isn't mission critical, you might give it a try. Also, Ilohamail (available via apt-get) loads a lot faster on my server and seems to work as well as Squirrelmail - provided you don't use many Squirrelmail plugins currently. However, if you're using it for mailing lists, I have heard that it doesn't include References to make threading work right for people reading your replies. HTH, Jacob Hey! Thanks for that! ilohamail is PERFECT! it loads fast AND looks good also :D oh and it loads the big mail box :D thanks again! :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: running fsck on root
Rob Benton wrote: I've my drive setup like this: /dev/hdb1 /boot dos /dev/hdb2 / xfs /dev/hdb3 /usr/local xfs /dev/hdb5 /u01 xfs /dev/hdb6 swap I've tried shutting down to single-user mode and then remounting / as ro but all the xfs disk check utilities complain. Are there any tricks to getting the xfs utilities to check mounted filesystems? Or maybe there's a better way to approach this I just haven't thought of? Have you tried booting from one of the many live distro's out there... then you should be able to fsck your drive using that. Thats how i got round my problem with them in use all the time. Byez -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: changin XTerm colors
John L Fjellstad wrote: I tried to change the XTerm colors by putting these lines in my ~/.Xresources file: XTerm*Background: black XTerm*Foreground: white But it has no effect. Anyone know what the problem is? According to XTerm manual, this should work. Oh, and I tried changing the names (Background to background etc. No effect). Hey, Try putting them into ~/.Xdefaults I had to logout and back in for it to apply, but after that it was there everytime :) Byes... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Backup Consensus?
Is there a place where a general consensus has been reached on exactly what is necesary to backup a Debian system? I'm sure this has been asked and answered many times before, so I am looking for URLs to where this has been discussed in the past. I apologize in advance, but I'm not a subscriber of this list. Please cc me on replies. Thank you very much, -- -- Grant Bowman<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What is dpkg --list supposed to do?
According to the dpkg man page: dpkg -l | --list package-name-pattern ... List packages matching given pattern. If no pack age-name-pattern is given, list all packages in /var/lib/dpkg/available. However, on my Woody systems, it looks like if no name is given it lists the installed packages rather than the available packages. Have I confused myself somehow? -- Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
dpkg --list truncating lines
A minor but annoying problem: When I do an interactive dpkg --list, it displayes complete description summaries, but when I redirect output to a file, it truncates many of the lines. Is there a way to tell dpkg not to truncate output? -- Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Apache problem
I'm having a bit of trouble getting Apache to work in Woody. I can reach it from http://localhost:8080, but I can't get to it from http://:8080. I've allowed incoming connections to the web port 8080 using Guarddog, and I'm fairly positive that is okay. I've also tried port 80 before, so I'm pretty sure that isn't the problem either. Are there any other possible things that could be causing Apache to not allow a connection? I am behind a router, but I have set up port forwarding for port 8080. Is the router somehow not allowing me to route back to itself? When I type in the address bar of my browser, is it trying to find a webpage on the router instead? This doesn't make sense really, because the only IP I see is the private IP of the router. Thanks, David p.s. Please forward replies to [EMAIL PROTECTED] But if not, it doesn't matter, I'll just get it in the digest anyways. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X with NVidia: "(EE) No devices detected"
Isaac, I had this exact same problem that you are having yesterday. It works when you install from the tarballs the first time, but after rebooting, it doesn't work anymore. Just make sure that NVdriver is in the /lib/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4/kernel/drivers/video directory, and make sure that NVdrier is there, and make sure that NVdriver is listed in your /etc/modules file. Now as long as you did the tar zxvf NVIDIA_kernel cd NVIDIA_kernel... make install cd .. tar zxvf NVIDIA_GLX... cd NVIDIA_GLX... make install cd .. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 On the dpkg-reconfigure step, make sure to de-select the dri and GLcore drivers, and make sure glx is selected. Also, when asked if you want the dri section created for you, select "NO"! Also, just make sure you say "NO" when asked about a framebuffer. And don't forget to select "nvidia" as your driver, instead of "nv". Then check /lib/modules/2.4.18-bf2.4/kernel/drivers/video directory, and make sure that NVdriver is listed in your /etc/modules file. Having NVdriver in your /etc/modules file is basically just tells debian to run "insmod NVdriver" on boot. So if you want, just try typing insmod NVdriver right now, and see if that fixes things. Let me know if that doesn't work. -- David Grant M.A.Sc. Candidate a-Si and Integrated Circuits Group University of Waterloo (o_ Ontario, Canada //\ 519-880-0665V_/_ Subject: Re: X with NVidia: "(EE) No devices detected" From: Jeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 07:45:19 -0700 To: debian user list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Issac Trotts, 2002-Oct-08 17:16 -0700: >>> >Re-installing is a bit drastic. It seems to me that the modules >>> >aren't loading. The installation process puts them, I think, in >>> >/lib/modules//misc so check there and do the insmod on those >>> >specific names. You'll also need to add those modules to the list in >>> >/etc/modules so they are loaded at boot. >>> > >>> >jc >>> > >> >> >> Here's what my session looks like: >> >>$ cd /lib >>$ find . -name \* | grep -i nv >>./security/pam_env.so >>./modules/2.2.18/misc/nvram.o >>./modules/2.2.18/video/NVdriver >> >>$ find /lib -name \* | grep -i gl >> >> insmod nvram didn't help so I rmmod'ed it. >> >> Issac > > Issac, Please reply to the list only, thanks. I think there's also a glx driver that needs to be loaded. Is the NVdriver the only driver in that directory? jc -- Jeff CoppockSystems Engineer Diggin' Debian Admin and User -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mozilla add-ons
Is there a nice way to install Mozilla add-ons, like MozGest, BannerBlind, EasySearch, and EnigMail, on a Debian system? Has anyone out there created any unofficial deb packages? Thanks, -- David Grant M.A.Sc. Candidate a-Si and Integrated Circuits Group University of Waterloo (o_ Ontario, Canada //\ 519-880-0665V_/_ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Newbie question - Serial Ports
In muc.lists.debian.user, you wrote: > If I run stty /dev/ttyD000 -a I do get a bunch of output > including the buad rate (9600), however most of the other > output I don't understand. man stty It explains what all that output means. > Is there a good utility to "test" a serial port and also see > how it is configured? stty setserial > The digi driver was supposed to build dpa and ditty, two > specific programs for the digiboards but neither was built and > I cannot get them to compile seperately. I generally use ckermit or stty and cat/echo. I avoid minicom. > Any ideas? -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Didn't I buy a 1951 at Packard from you last March visi.comin Cairo? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
sensible-mda and procmail invokation question
Sunday I converted from an ancient RH5.0 system to Debian 2.1. Among the many remaining glitches, I've got a mail problem: To minimize breakage, I stuck with sendmail. Sendmail basically works, and thanks to sensible-mda, it delivers using procmail. My problem is that it does not invoke procmail the way my recipies expect; they expect the "relay" bit of the address* to appear in $1, due to the -a argument to procmail. From my old RH sendmail.cf: Mlocal, P=/usr/bin/procmail, F=lsDFMAw5:/|@qSPfhn9, S=10/30, R=20/40, T=DNS/RFC822/X-Unix, A=procmail -Y -a $h -d $u It's not clear what sensible-mda really does, so I don't know if there's a simple way to make it invoke procmail with the -a $h argument or not. The man page doesn't describe the arguments. In the meantime, I've pasted the Mlocal clause above into sendmail.cf, and it's working. I'd rather not need this, so that I can use the Debian config scripts in the future... * The relay (for sendmail, at least) is the part between the + and @; in [EMAIL PROTECTED]', the relay is `spam'. My public postings all have a unique, date-coded relay to help me block spam. [ Note that I am not a subscriber to debian-user because I cannot filter mail properly yet. I am following along on the archives, though... ] -- Grant Taylor - gtaylorpicante.com - http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/ Linux Printing HOWTO: http://www.picante.com/~gtaylor/pht/
Debian Hamm Installation Questions
I'm a non-unix person installing Debian on a PC (there will only be one user) for the first time, and have a collection of installation related questions. Perhaps someone here can help. I've already run through the entire installation process once, but during the process I had to make arbitrary decisions based on total ignorance. I'm sure things didn't turn out the way I wanted them. My approach here is to re-install (many times if necessary) until I understand the whole process. The questions: 1. My bios (Award 4.51pg if I'm reading the version info right) supports LBA. The motherboard (Tyan Trinity AT) and hd (Quantum 3.2G) manuals seem to indicate that this will allow the system to access partitions larger than 1024 cylinders at boot time. Does this sound correct? If so, then shouldn't I be able to use a bootable partition of greater than 1024 cyls? I was thinking in terms of having one swap partition and one linux partition for everything else. Alternatively, if I should use a <1024 cylinder bootable partition in spite of this, then how big should I make it? Which elements of Debian, exactly, should I put in it? How do I tell the install program which partition to put each part of the package into? Remember that I'm a non-unix person. I cannot make sense of answers like "put /dev/xxx/yyy/ in the boot partition" without a lot of work. Not unless the install package is, at some point, going to ask me something like "choose from the following partitions which one you want me to put /dev/xxx/yyy/ into" so that I can follow such instructions blindly. Then it seems that the kernal will have to be told where each bit of the system is, although I assume that the install package does this bit of configuration automatically as stuff is installed in various partitions. 2. When it comes time to install device drivers I hit problems. First, the system tells me that if I highlight any driver and press return I will see a page telling me about the driver and giving me the option to install or ignore it. I do not get a page of information. I get one line that, for the generic cd-rom driver tells me something like "this is the generic cd-rom driver". This doesn't help much. Is there more information about the drivers that I should be able to access at this point and I just don't know how? Second, when I try to load the following two drivers: PS/2 mouse (psaux.o) and XT hard drive (xd.o) I get the following error message: "Device or resource busy". So I can't seem to load them. Presumably I will need a driver for my hard drive if the OS is to be able to access it. How do I load these drivers? Third, when I try to install the drivers I get a screen asking me to give it whatever command line parameters I think should be provided to the drivers when they are activated. In order to answer this I need a description of what parameters are allowed for each driver, what they mean, etc... Where do I find all this info? 3. Dselect. Powerful program. Steep learning curve. Problem. I would like to use dselect to custom install packages. I activate the select option and get a list of packages to select from. No problems so far. Part of the list was of packages that were listed as "no longer available". I want back to the main menu and used the update option to get a list of all of the packages avilable on the main Debian cd-rom (figured I'd hit the contrib cd-rom after I finished with the main one). The new list really didn't seem to be related at all to the old one. Weird, but I started selecting packages from the new list anyway. Got stuck. Managed to find my way back to the main menu. Determined to go back to where I got stuck I choose the select option again. This time I get a new list of packages entirely different from either of the previous two lists I'd seen. Conclusion: I'm missing something fundamental about dselect. I can't seem to get a consistent list of all of the packages that I have to choose from on the main cd-rom. 4. I decided to install the packages selected anyway, just to see what that part of the process is like. This bit took a long time, with many interruptions to ask me questions that I couldn't comprehend. Like "What priority should I give this package?". The help seemed to indicate that this means something like "You click on a gif file, and the highest priority package associated with files of type gif is the one that this will activate". But I suspect that this is not what the help means. And if it is then how do I select a priority when, being ignorant of the relative merits of the packages being loaded, I have no way to know what priorities I want? With luck solutions to these issues should be enough for me to make a second shot at a much better installation. For the record I have looked at the faqs and installation guides (printed out at least 400 pages of various Debian and Linux install info off the net before hand, 'cause I didn't think I'd be ab
lilo (linux -> dos) problem
I'm having trouble writing a lilo.conf file that will do what I want it to do. I can't seem to get around a specific error. My setup: 2 hard drives. /dev/hda is linux only (3.2 G) /hda1 is a bootable linux partition (primary) /hda2 is swap space (primary) /dev/hdb is dos/windows only (400 M) /hdb1 is a bootable dos (6.2) partition (primary) /hdb2 is an extended dos partition (logical) My lilo.conf file looks like: #global boot = /dev/hda1 single-key prompt #linux image = /vmlinuz root = /dev/hda1 label = l read-only #dos other = /dev/hdb1 table = /dev/hdb label = d When I hit "l" I get what looks to me (I'm new at this) to be a good linux boot. When I hit "d" I get an error that looks like (if I'm remembering the details correctly): Non-system disk or disk not available error Insert correct disk and hit any key when ready Yet I know I can boot dos off of that disk. I've been doing so for years. Until now I've been switching between OS's by going into the bios and selecting a boot sequence that boots off of the disk with the OS I want (my bios supports a lot of boot sequence options). Both linux and dos boot up fine this way. It's only when I try to boot up dos using lilo that I can't seem to get into it. I can't find anything in any of the docs that suggests what the problem might be or looks like this error message. Anyone got any ideas? Thanks, Kevin
lilo (linux only hd -> dos only hd), no solution possible?
Thanks for the help I've gotten on this so far. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be working. I seem to be caught in a catch-22 situation as far as getting the system to behave as I want it to. Here's the situation: I have one dos/windows only hd. I have one linux only hd. I want to be able to boot up linux and then use lilo to move to dos if I desire. The earlier problem was that I had the linux hd as /dev/hda and the dos drive as /dev/hdb and lilo couldn't get dos to boot off of /dev/hdb. Apparently the dos hd has to be /dev/hda (drive C in dos terms) to boot. So I could only get into dos by telling my bios to swap the boot sequence around and boot off of drive "D" (apparently this caused the system to treat the dos drive as if it were drive C). To solve this I swapped the hd's around and made the dos drive /dev/hda and the linux drive /dev/hdb. However I still want to boot off of the linux drive, so I set the bios boot sequence so that it would boot from drive D (/dev/hdb). Unfortunately this seems to cause the bios to consider drive C not to be the master drive anymore so that when I try to use lilo to get into dos I get exactly the same error message as before, a sort of "disk not available or non-system disk in drive" sort of message. The catch-22 seems to be: the only way to boot linux from a linux-only hd as the default when the machine is turned on is to make the linux-only hd /dev/hda, or to alter the bios boot sequence so that the system treats it that way (no, I don't want to use a boot floopy to boot up linux either). At the same time, in order for lilo to boot up a dos-only hd, the dos-only hd has to be /dev/hda. Unfortunately both hd's cannot be /dev/hda at the same time. So if my analysis is correct, and unless lilo has some way to make the system change the hd that it considers the primary drive, there is no way to accomplish what I wish to accomplish. The problem is that I am a linux newbie and can't tell if I'm making sense here. Comments and possible solutions, if any exist, are requested. Oh, and my latest attempt has netted me a "cannot start virtual terminal" sort of error message on the linux side, followed by a freeze, so that I can't boot linux at all. This raises another interesting issue. Since the lilo.config I'm experimenting with now contains lines like "boot = /dev/hdb1", if I change the drives back the way they were (with the linux drive as /dev/hda) presumably I won't be able to boot linux because the lilo.config stuff will point to the wrong place. On the other hand, I can't boot into linux now to change the lilo.config file. So how do you get into linux to change a lilo.config file when you cannot get into linux until after you've changed the file? :) I'm guessing I've got to resort to the boot floppies at this point, right? Even if this is the case, there should be a sort of general solution to this problem, to let you experiment with the contents of lilo.config safely. I.E. to write a new one that doesn't work, and then to be able to get into linux anyway, without having to resort to a boot floppy, by some command that tells lilo to boot up using a "safe" backup config file that you know works. Is this option around and being new I'm just not aware of it? If you've actually read this far thanks for your attention, -Kevin
Command shells with scroll bars?
Assuming I'm using the right terminology, I can't seem to find a command shell (like csh or xterm or whatever) that gives me a little scroll bar on the side so I can use the mouse to scroll back and see what happened before. Are there any like this? Thanks, Kevin
Window Maker and Looking for the right window manager
At the moment I'm using Window Maker as my window manager but I'm having trouble figuring out how to make it do some of the things I'd like it to do. For instance, I'd like to set program specific window "looks". Like have all xterm windows come up with white writing on a black background and all of some other software's window come up with black writing on a red background, etc... I also would like to experiment with semi-transparent backgrounds so that you can see through (somewhat) a command shell to the windows that lie behind it. Perhaps Window Maker can do these things and I just don't have the HowTo's I need? Perhaps I should be using a different WM for this sort of thing? Or perhaps none of them can do this sort of thing? I've thought about trying "Enlightenment" but its authors claim that it is still pretty buggy and can crash the system. Since I changed to Linux (from DOS/Windows) because I had to deal with chronic system crashes this would hardly be an improvement. Any comments, advice, pointers to useful info, etc... appreciated. Thanks, Kevin
Micro$oft decommoditizing things -- a solution?
As some of my previous boneheaded questions to this mailing list have shown, I'm a complete newbie when it comes to Debian and Linux and the development process for Debian packages and standards, so be warned that the following may be particularly stupid but... It seems to me that, as regards the whole problem (brought out in this discussion of the Microsoft memo) of M$ decommoditizing things, the Debian community is *reacting* when it could be *proacting* and thus helping to solve the problem. The problem was well defined in a recent bit of email (I forget who the sender was, I deleted it before I realized I'd want to credit the author). A new, extended M$ HTML standard will not only be incompatible with the old HTML stuff (forcing everyone to upgrade to the propriatary M$ standard) but it will become popular largely because it will have a lot of new, neat special effects that the www community likes. All M$ has to do is supply a browser that supports it and everyone will feel safe in using the new standard (knowing everyone will be able to read the new style web pages). But remember that the Debian development community is far larger (and faster) than M$. Moreover, being composed of hackers who like neat special effects just as much (if not more) than the next guy... and this is the important bit... the Debian development community is much better suited to develop an extended standard for HTML that includes the desired new special effects, but is still backwards compatible with the old stuff. It can probably turn out a better product far faster than M$, and supply the open standard (and accompanying software) free to the public so much sooner than M$ can that by the time the M$ people can catch up, the Debian standard will have become popular (and free). Possibly even short circuiting M$'s attempts at developing a propriatary standard of their own. Particularly if the Debian people supply executables (with source) that work with Debian, and Red Hat, and Windows XX. Moreover, I think this is the perfect chance for the Debian people to use some M$ type marketing tricks against M$, without sacrificing any of their principles. If I understand correctly, Linux, as well as most Debian software, runs far faster and more reliably on most platforms than the M$ garbage will. Now graphic processing can get pretty resource intensive... I wonder what would happen if a few of the effects (not the imortant ones, you still need those to work on Windows systems as bait to get Windows using people to adopt the Debian standard) but a few of the really neat ones are resource intensive enough that will run like molasses on a Windows based system. I'm not saying that you should intentionally make bad code that will have that property, I'm saying that graphics processing is so resource intensive that it will be easy to find a lot of really desirable effects that are going to have that property even with the most efficient possible Windows code. Now given a new open standard, with neat effects and free software, 2 years before M$ can offer the same thing, and throw in a few goodies that look really neat but will crawl on a Windows system, and there could be lots of fun to be had. Ok, enough of my silly daydreams. I may be talking total nonsense here. But with several Debian groups dedicated to attacking various Debian related problems of porting Debian to new platforms, etc... Why not a Debian development group dedicated to finding places where software companies are trying to extend standards into something propriatary and then to develop better, open, Debian standards faster and generate the supporting software free? Ok... I'm finished. NOW you can start laughing. :) -Kevin
Yamaha opl3-SAX sound card configuration
I'm trying to set up a Yamaha opl3-SAX sound card under linux, debian distribution. I found this webpage (http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/solo/216/yamaha.htm) that offered help in setting up the card, but I'm still have problems. Specifically, this is what happens: I've followed the configuration up to the part about compiling the kernel with loadable modules. So thus far, I've... 1) Gotten the I/O ranges, IRQ, and DMA settings for my card 2) Ran pnpdump >/etc/isapnp.conf 3) Uncommented /etc/isapnp.conf so that it includes my settings 4) Ran isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf, and it gives me the following: Board 1 has Identity 5a 80 86 00 01 20 00 a8 65: YMH0020 Serial No 2156265473 [checksum 5a] So now I go into /usr/src, and run make menuconfig (this is where I have problems). In the help it says that I should select MSS/WSS and FM-Synth as LOADABLE MODULES, but it doesn't let me. Is there something wrong I'm doing. Additionally, when I just select MSS/WSS and FM-Synth as built-in, the IRQ setting I have for WSS (IRQ = 5) isn't suggested. Also, I'm compiling the kernel onto a floppy, because I'm booting off a floppy. Does this matter? Any help would be appreciated...as you see, I'm sort of new at this. =) Grant Wang
Re: Yamaha opl3-SAX sound card configuration
Just a few quesitons: > For the configuration of pnp I didn't use the windows configuration port. It > is > important don't forget to enable the port 0x530 and use the port 0x534 for > ioport of CS4232. Are you saying that I should change my isapnp.conf file to use port 0x530? I'm not sure what you're exactly saying... > What kernel are you compiling? I was compiled the kernel 2.1.12[567] and the I'm compiling the 2.0.34 kernel. > These instruction are wrong (out-of-date) if you are trying the kernel 2.0.x > you > must use the CS4232 card as module. For kernels 2.1.x there is a modules for > OPL3-SA[23x] card. Even so, I'm still not able to select any sound option as a module. I included "loadable module support" in menuconfig...is there anything else I can do to get the sound options to be modules? Thanks again, Grant
System configuration report?
I'm looking for something that can be used to generate a report documenting a Debian system's configuration: Kernel version and configuration Packages (and versions) installed Services enabled in inittab and/or rc files Services enabled in inetd.conf Does such a thing exist? -- Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IP addresses for 802.11 PCMCIA cards?
Can somebody explain to me where the IP address is supposed to go for wireless PCMCIA cards? I've put it in /etc/network/interfaces as eth2, but then you have to comment out the ifup and ifdown lines in /etc/pcmcia/network.opts or the card is configured twice, and the second time breaks things. Are IP addresses for all PCMCIA devices supposed to go in /etc/pcmcia/network.opts? I've looked at the wireless HOWTO, but it doesn't even mention network.opts or wireless.opts, so it's either way out of date or written for a completely different set of tools. -- Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What is equivalent to chkconfig?
I'm trying to figure out what command is used in Debian to enable/disable init.d services at various runlevels. Something equivalient to the old SGI utility "chkconfig" that has been adopted by RedHat. Everytime this question is asked, the answer given is "update-rc.d". But, AFAICT, update-rc.d doesn't do what chkconfig does. According to the man page, update-rc.d can't be used to modify an existing configuration: When run with either the defaults, start, or stop options, update-rc.d makes links /etc/rcrunlevel.d/[SK]NNname pointing to the script /etc/init.d/name, If any files /etc/rcrunlevel.d/[SK]??name already exist then update-rc.d does nothing. This is so that the system administrator can rearrange the links, provided that they leave at least one link remaining, without having their configuration overwritten. The whole point of chkconfig is to provide a tool that can be used to modify the init.d configuration. update-rc.d explicitly disallows this. I suppose one could remove all of the links, the add them back in as desired, but that requires that you know the current configuration when all you want to do is enable/disable a service for runlevel X. Why not allow update-rc.d to modify the current configuration when the -f flag is used? Anohter question: where do the defaults come from? For wu-ftpd: /etc/rc0.d/K20wu-ftpd -> ../init.d/wu-ftpd /etc/rc1.d/K20wu-ftpd -> ../init.d/wu-ftpd /etc/rc6.d/K20wu-ftpd -> ../init.d/wu-ftpd /etc/rc2.d/S20wu-ftpd -> ../init.d/wu-ftpd /etc/rc3.d/S20wu-ftpd -> ../init.d/wu-ftpd /etc/rc4.d/S20wu-ftpd -> ../init.d/wu-ftpd /etc/rc5.d/S20wu-ftpd -> ../init.d/wu-ftpd On non-Debian systems, one generally kills things in the reverse order one starts them. So if you use S20 you do K80 (and vice versa). Using S20 and K20 seems wrong. Why not just adopt chkconfig? -- Grant Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Problem installing Oracle 8i
Hi, I am trying to install Oracle 8i on a Debian box and even though I have followed the directions to the tee, I keep recieving the same error when I try to run the "./runInstaller" command. This is the error I am recieving: Initializing Java Virtual Machine from /usr/local/jre/bin/jre. Please wait... Error in CreateOUIProcess(): -1 : Bad address I have had success installing Oracle 8i on a RedHat box, but I don't like Redhat! So can someone give me some advice. Thanks! James E. Grant
Problem installing Oracle 8i
Hi, I am trying to install Oracle 8i on a Debian box and even though I have followed the directions to the tee, I keep recieving the same error when I try to run the "./runInstaller" command. This is the error I am recieving: Initializing Java Virtual Machine from /usr/local/jre/bin/jre. Please wait... Error in CreateOUIProcess(): -1 : Bad address I have had success installing Oracle 8i on a RedHat box, but I don't like Redhat! So can someone give me some advice. Thanks! James E. Grant
Problems Installing Oracle 8i
Hi, I am trying to install Oracle 8i on a Debian box and even though I have followed the directions to the tee, I keep recieving the same error when I try to run the "./runInstaller" command. This is the error I am recieving: Initializing Java Virtual Machine from /usr/local/jre/bin/jre. Please wait... Error in CreateOUIProcess(): -1 : Bad address I have had success installing Oracle 8i on a RedHat box, but I don't like Redhat! So can someone give me some advice. Thanks! James E. Grant
Problems installing Oracle 8i
Hi, I am trying to install Oracle 8i on a Debian box and even though I have followed the directions to the tee, I keep recieving the same error when I try to run the "./runInstaller" command. This is the error I am recieving: Initializing Java Virtual Machine from /usr/local/jre/bin/jre. Please wait... Error in CreateOUIProcess(): -1 : Bad address I have had success installing Oracle 8i on a RedHat box, but I don't like Redhat! So can someone give me some advice. Thanks! James E. Grant
Oracle 8i problems.
Hi, I am trying to install Oracle 8i on a Debian box and even though I have followed the directions to the tee, I keep recieving the same error when I try to run the "./runInstaller" command. This is the error I am recieving: Initializing Java Virtual Machine from /usr/local/jre/bin/jre. Please wait... Error in CreateOUIProcess(): -1 : Bad address I have had success installing Oracle 8i on a RedHat box, but I don't like Redhat! So can someone give me some advice. Thanks! James E. Grant
Oracle 8i
Hi, I am trying to install Oracle 8i on a Debian box and even though I have followed the directions to the tee, I keep recieving the same error when I try to run the "./runInstaller" command. This is the error I am recieving: Initializing Java Virtual Machine from /usr/local/jre/bin/jre. Please wait... Error in CreateOUIProcess(): -1 : Bad address I have had success installing Oracle 8i on a RedHat box, but I don't like Redhat! So can someone give me some advice. Thanks! James E. Grant
Onboard NIC problem
I have Debian Potato 2.2 with Gnome running on this PC with an on board NIC. The motherboard is a PR440BX with 2 Ppro CPU's w/256 MB RAM and 2 scsi drive's I have win 2000 on /dev/sda and Debian on /dev/sdb Debian found the onboard Scsi Controller but not the NIC or 2nd CPU the 2nd CPU isn't important( Linux works great with one Ppro) The Nic comes up in 2000 as intel 8255x-10/100 io=ff40-ff5f irg=24(huh) but in modconf I can't find a driver for it or I'm missing something. If someone could shed some light on this It would be greatly appreciated
Upgrade from 2.2.0 to 2.2.2
Should there be an urgency to upgrade to 2.2r2 if you just using debian 2.2 R0 as a workstation with samba. I am the only Linux workstation on the Lan so I am behind a firewall. I can't program yet execpt for Hello World in Java, C, and HTML (meaning I am very limited). I mainly use Netscape Gftp and Staroffice5.2 I have the 2.4.1 kernel installed and My system COOKS. This is a question i'm asking because I am a realitively new and eager. I have a habit of trying things, and crippling my Systems. -- I.T. Systems Technician Arrowstreet Inc. http://www.arrowstreet.com __ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/
equivs errors
hi I am trying to create a dumby package for qmail, I have created a ctl file from the template (the attached file), then when I do 'equivs qmail.ctl' I get the output shown below thanks Neil dh_testdir touch build-stamp dh_testdir dh_testroot dh_clean -k # Add here commands to install the package into debian/tmp. touch install-stamp dh_testdir dh_testroot dh_installdocs dh_installchangelogs parsechangelog/debian: error: badly formatted heading line, at changelog line 1 Use of uninitialized value at /usr/share/debhelper/Dh_Lib.pm line 268. dh_compress dh_fixperms dh_installdeb dh_gencontrol dpkg-gencontrol: unknown option `-pqmail_dummy_package' Debian GNU/Linux dpkg-gencontrol 1.6.15. Copyright (C) 1996 Ian Jackson. This is free software; see the GNU General Public Licence version 2 or later for copying conditions. There is NO warranty. Usage: dpkg-gencontrol [options ...] Options: -pprint control file for package -cget control info from this file -l get per-version info from this file -Fforce change log format -v set version of binary package -f write files here instead of debian/files -Ptemporary build dir instead of debian/tmp -O write to stdout, not .../DEBIAN/control -isinclude section field -ipinclude priority field -isp|-ips include both section and priority -D= override or add a field and value -U remove a field -V= set a substitution variable -Tread variables here, not debian/substvars -h print this message dh_gencontrol: command returned error code make: *** [binary-arch] Error 1 Error during the build process: Illegal seek at /usr/bin/equivs-build line 162, chunk 33. qmail.ctl Description: Binary data
Re: equivs errors
adding the source and change the package line has fixed it, thanks for the fast response Neil - Original Message - From: "Colin Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 10:58 AM Subject: Re: equivs errors > "Neil Grant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I am trying to create a dumby package for qmail, I have created a ctl file > >from the template (the attached file), > [...] > >parsechangelog/debian: error: badly formatted heading line, at changelog > >line 1 > > You need a "Source:" line in the first block of the control file; > "Source: qmail-dummy-package" would do. You need to change "Package: > qmail_dummy_package" to "Package: qmail-dummy-package", as underscores > are used to separate package names from version numbers. You should > probably also move the "Maintainer:" line to the first block of the > control file. > > HTH, > > -- > Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Woody and Netscape Communicator
Has anyone noticed this situation. I'm running Icewm on Woody with kernel 2.4.1 and it kicks ass (very well done debian guys)even though it's still testing. My load meter seems to be pegged.I click Netscape and nothing happens. When I run Top to see whats taking up my Cpu I see communicator maybe 3 times. when I kill the one thats been running the longest the netscape I just clicked opens up. This doesn't bother me because I support Windows and Mac for work. I just wanted to see if I was just me or my machine ( I has Win2k which I even used once! When I was testing my dual boot.) Thanks Debianites -- Matt Grant I.T. Systems Technician Arrowstreet Inc. http://www.arrowstreet.com __ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/
Re: stupid questions about apt-get/dpkg
hi > so I want to upgrade mail-transport-agent from exim to qmail replacing equivalent packages is easy when they are complied and distributed as such but qmail is a problem I know of two approaches: leave apt thinking exim is installed and just delete exim by hand, then compile + install qmail or build a dummy package with equivs that provides mta, so that apt will uninstall exim say qmail is installed - then you just compile and install qmail however I havent managed to get apt to accept my dummy package instead of exim Neil _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Firewall aware IRC
Anyone know of a Chat Client that is rather flexible with firewalls. The Network has a Novell Bordermanager Firewall that tends to do the job very well. I have tried a few(GnomeIcU and XChat) but I am quite a rookie -- Matt Grant I.T. Systems Technician Arrowstreet Inc. http://www.arrowstreet.com __ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/
Progeny and Upgrading
I ran a apt-get update on my Progeny Beta3 pointing to ftp.us.debian.org/debian/stable Then I ran apt-get upgrade It found a whole bunch of packages that needed upgradeing.I said no My Question is will this wreck my system. I have wrecked a storm and a corel system because I wasn't satisfied with what I had. I like my Progeny setup so Iam asking you folks. Thanks -- Matt Grant I.T. Systems Technician Arrowstreet Inc. http://www.arrowstreet.com __ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/
Re: [OT] Linux palmtop computers?
> The Compaq product (dis)appears to be even worse, more of a proof of > concept thing. from what I have heard on the linux psion list compaq is quite strong in its support for linux handhelds - due to not wanting to rely on winCE interesting links... http://handhelds.org/ http://alllinuxdevices.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2000-08-02-007-03-IN-LF-HH _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Newbie Question
I installed 2.1 then used dselect to install apps from 2.2 Potato disk 1 and 2. I have at least 9 dependency problems and return status 1 errors after install, configure, and remove. I suspect it's a kernel thing but I have never recompiled a kernel. Should I just re-install the system with the 2.2 disks or should I keep struggleing with it.
apt-get dist-upgrade and powerfailure
I was doing an dist-upgrade from 2.1 to 2.2 and my power went out. Data is backed up but I had to rush out of the house to work. I didn't get to boot the system. When I do what should I expect. Will I need to format or will It begin where it left off(Just Hopeing). Any tips or suggestions would be appreciated.
Re: help re ppp over PABX
Hey, Try setting up 'pppconfig again and type the number you are dailing like this: 9,[then number]. >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 02/28 6:43 AM >>> hello all, ok, i havent touched ppp for quite some time now and im having some problems dialing to an ISP where the line im using is connected behind a PABX system ... anybody have any idea what should i add to my chatscript (created thru pppconfig) so that it will dial 9 first (for the dial tone) b4 dialing my ISP ? TIA, Chad -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null
A7V133 motherboard with debian 2.2r3
Hello, I have an ASUS A7V133 motherboard. I've been using Redhat 7.1 for a few months and now I am already pissed off with RPM. (First I was pissed off with the RPM system, and now I am pissed off, because the rpm program itself is causing segmentation faults. And now if I try to re-install rpm, I get some depency problems.) Anyways, it's a mess and to keep the long story short, I'm switching to Debian. I had some trouble with my ASUS A7V133 motherboard. The VIA on-board controller (vt82c686b) never worked, even with the most recent kernel (2.4.6). I got the on-board promise controller to work though (PDC20265). It works with kernel 2.4.2-2 and up. But what about the older kernels? I just ordered Debian potato 2.2r3 in the mail, and I just realized that it only has 2.2.19? or something like that, which came out on March 26th, and the 2.4.2 came out on February 21st, and I guess the redhat 2.4.2-2 version came out a little after? Anyways, I'm getting Debian in the mail in a few days, and I'm a little impatient. I want to know from experience if people have been able to get Debian potato 2.2r3 to work "out-of-the-box" with their on-board Promise chip on the A7V133. I want to read up about any tricks I might have to do in order to get my Debian to work. Oh by the way, I popped in an old Corel Linux CD as well as an old Stormix 2000 CD, which are debian-based and use a slightly older 2.4.2 kernel. I couldn't get them to even see the hard drive during install. It said I had to valid devices to install to. There must be a specific point in the kernel lifetime where this was fixed. Either that, or the bug is still around. cc: to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, D. Grant
Promise IDE ATA-100 controller on ASUS A7V133
Hi,I have an ASUS A7V133 with PDC20265 on-board IDE as well as the standardon-board VIA controller. I am trying to install Debian potato 2.2r3. Ineed to get it to install from the on-board Promise IDE controller. I triedusing the boot: parameter with these parameters, which I retrieved fromWindows 98 device manager resources:boot: linux ide2=0xA000, 0x9802 ide3=0x9400, 0x9002but this didn't work. When it reached the first few screens in the Debianinstalled it said that I didn't have any valid devices to install to.I went to a shell and looked at /proc/pci. I looked fine as far as I know.It showed an "unknown mass storage device" and said "unknown promisedevice". It also had the same addresses which I gave above as the bootparameter.Is there anything else I need to do? I usedhttp://www.geocities.com/ender7007/ as a guide. But I need more help. Doesanyone know what I can do?Thanks,David Grant Please cc: to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as I am not subscribed to list. Thanks a lot.
Re: Promise IDE ATA-100 controller on ASUS A7V133
- Original Message - From: "Phil Brutsche" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "David Grant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 3:17 PM Subject: Re: Promise IDE ATA-100 controller on ASUS A7V133 > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far way, someone said... > > > I have an ASUS A7V133 with PDC20265 on-board IDE as well as the standard > > on-board VIA controller. I am trying to install Debian potato 2.2r3. I > > need to get it to install from the on-board Promise IDE controller. I tried > > using the boot: parameter with these parameters, which I retrieved from > > Windows 98 device manager resources: > > The default Debian kernel doesn't support this hard drive controller. > You need to use the pre-compiled idepci kernel (it's on the CD somplace), > or install with the idepci floppies to be able to use this card. > > Also, if this is a IDE "RAID" card Linux won't be able to see the second > port on the controller card. > Oh okay. Yeah the website says there are many kernels in the potato distribution. Among the most recent 2.2.19 kernels are the following: kernel-image-2.2.19-idepci 2.2.19-2 kernel-image-2.2.19pre17-idepci 2.2.19pre17-3 Weird, why'd they bother including 2.2.19pre17? So do I just install these like regular deb packages right? And then if Linux boots and sees my ide2, I'll have to update fstab with hde instead of hda. Do you know how I can get ide-pci floppies to install with? Thanks. David Grant
Re: Promise IDE ATA-100 controller on ASUS A7V133
Okay, everyone keeps telling me to use the idepci disks, which sounds like it would probably work. But on the website it says that the idepci ONLY supports IDE and PCI devices, not SCSI. I don't have any SCSI devices, but actually I do want SCSI emulation for my CD writer. But are there other limitations on these ide-pci kernels? I mean why do these even exist in the first place. If ide-pci supports the promise controller, why didn't they put this support into the main kernel as well. (Also BTW, I have a Promise on-board controller, not a PCI card). David Grant PLEASE cc: to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Daniel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "David Grant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 10:13 AM Subject: Re: Promise IDE ATA-100 controller on ASUS A7V133 > You can just use the idepci install disks which detect the promise drives as > hde and hdf > > > - Original Message - > From: David Grant > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 8:54 AM > Subject: Promise IDE ATA-100 controller on ASUS A7V133 > > > Hi, > > I have an ASUS A7V133 with PDC20265 on-board IDE as well as the standard > on-board VIA controller. I am trying to install Debian potato 2.2r3. I > need to get it to install from the on-board Promise IDE controller. I tried > using the boot: parameter with these parameters, which I retrieved from > Windows 98 device manager resources: > > boot: linux ide2=0xA000, 0x9802 ide3=0x9400, 0x9002 > > but this didn't work. When it reached the first few screens in the Debian > installed it said that I didn't have any valid devices to install to. > > I went to a shell and looked at /proc/pci. I looked fine as far as I know. > It showed an "unknown mass storage device" and said "unknown promise > device". It also had the same addresses which I gave above as the boot > parameter. > > Is there anything else I need to do? I used > http://www.geocities.com/ender7007/ as a guide. But I need more help. Does > anyone know what I can do? > > Thanks, > David Grant > Please cc: to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as I am not subscribed to list. Thanks > a lot. >
Re: Debian d.net team
me me me :) but most of my blocks arent from my debian machines Neil PS sorry Zoltan for the extra reply _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
problems booting with grub
After re-installing debian via knoppix on my parents computer, and dist-updating. I installed grub again and at the time thought it was all configured right. But when it once re-started after the storm pass through the other night what was seen on the screen was error 15 after stage 1.5. *sigh* So I pulled out the knoppix cd and check this and that and fix the grub menu.lst. And rebooted, no go so I then made a grub-floppy only to get read error at stage two... Now I'm not sure what to try next, boot is on /dev/hda1, root is at /dev/hda3 and it did boot with lilo. The only other boot related change I made when I installed grub was apt installing kernel 2.6.0 test 9. Any suggestions? -- http://gbierman.hypermart.net/ (freelance computer support) *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* You will have a long and unpleasant discussion with your supervisor. *-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* Linux yatara 2.6.0 #2 Sun Dec 21 19:57:32 CST 2003 i686 GNU/Linux signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
X starup problems with a 2.6.7 kernel
Title: Message I'm not too sure but I think I may have run into a known bug with X and some 2.6 kernels. When I try to start X when booting to my 2.6.7 kernel (built from the debian source package) I see the following in the dmesg output: [drm: i830_wait_ring] *ERROR* space: 131056 wanted 131064 [drm: i830_wait_ring] *ERROR* lockup This doesn't occur with my 2.4 kernel and after some googling it looks like a bug in X with some of the 2.6 kernels. Anybody have any additional information or a way I can get X working with a 2.6 kernel. I installed debian on a VAIO TR3a that uses the Intel 2200 BG wireless card. Intel has a driver I want to try but it requires the 2.6 kernel for compilation. Under the 2.4 kernel I'm using the ndiswrapper. Grant
Re: [SLUG] Mplayer lacking sound
Well according to your output below you're running mplayer as root and the
config's in adam's home directory. Maybe just for the test...
# cd /root
# ln -s /home/adam/.mplayer
On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, Adam Bogacki wrote:
> Hi, I've noticed that my mozilla mplayer plugin
> shows video but lacks audio. I've downloaded and installed
> all available codecs in /home/adam/.mplayer/codecs
> with no change. I've easily played MP3's via XMMS,
> so it's not hardware.
>
> Starting mplayer in text mode as root gives me
>
> > Tux:~# mplayer
> > MPlayer 1.0pre3-3.3.3 (C) 2000-2003 MPlayer Team
> >
> > CPU: Intel Celeron 2/Pentium III Coppermine,Geyserville 2559 MHz
> > (Family: 6, Ste pping: 3)
> > Detected cache-line size is 32 bytes
> > CPUflags: MMX: 1 MMX2: 1 3DNow: 0 3DNow2: 0 SSE: 1 SSE2: 0
> > Compiled for Debian.
> > Reading config file /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf
> > Reading config file /root/.mplayer/config
> > Reading /root/.mplayer/codecs.conf: Can't open
> > '/root/.mplayer/codecs.conf': No such file or directory
> > Reading /etc/mplayer/codecs.conf: 61 audio & 169 video codecs
> > Usage: mplayer [options] [url|path/]filename
> >
> > Basic options: (complete list in the man page)
> > -vo select video output driver & device ('-vo help' for
> > a list)
> > -ao select audio output driver & device ('-ao help' for
> > a list)
> > vcd:// play VCD (Video CD) track from device instead of
> > plain file
> > dvd:// play DVD title from device instead of plain file
>
> The main problem seems to be the config file.
>
> Currently it looks like
>
> > Tux:~# cd ~/.mplayer
> > Tux:~/.mplayer# ls
> > Skin config
> >
> I'm confused about how to set up an appropriate config file.
>
> On the one hand 'man mplayer' tells me that a user specific
> '~/.mplayer/config' takes precedence but the default config
> for the input system is '~/.mplayer/input.conf'
>
> The example '~/.mplayer/config' in 'man mplayer'
>
> > EXAMPLE:
> ># Use Matrox driver by default.
> >vo=xmga
> ># I love practicing handstands while watching videos.
> >flip=yes
> ># Decode/encode multiple files from png,
> ># start with mf://filemask
> >mf=type=png:fps=25
>
> does not show me how to proceed in my situation.
>
> Could someone post a realistic config template, focusing on audio ?
>
> Adam Bogacki,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
>
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University Grantwriting Workshop (SFSU)
The Grant Institute Program Planning and Grant Writing Workshop will be held at San Francisco State University, March 22-26, 2004. Interested development professionals, researchers, faculty, and graduate students should register as soon as possible, as demand means that seats will fill up quickly. Please forward, post, and distribute this e-mail to your colleagues. All participants will receive certification in program planning and development from the Institute, as well as 3.5 CEU units. For more information call (888) 824 - 4424 or visit The Grant Institute website at http://www.thegrantinstitute.org. You will find the program description below: THE GRANT INSTITUTE CERTIFICATE IN PROFESSIONAL PROGRAM DEVELOPMENT AND GRANT COMMUNICATION MARCH 22 - 26, 2004 8:00 AM 5:00 PM SAN FRANCISCO STATE UNIVERSITY The Grant Institute is a five-day intensive and interactive experience in which participants will be led through the program development, grant writing, and funding acquisition processes through the completion of four courses. The Grant Institute is not a seminar. Participants will actively engage in exercises and activities designed to strengthen their mastery of grant acquisition. Through the completion of varying assignments, students will leave The Grant Institute with a real grant proposal outline complete with quality research, solid content, and expert review. The Grant Institute focuses on combining the fundamentals of grant proposal writing with expert knowledge of communication principles such as Strategic Research, Persuasion, Argumentation, and Framing. The Grant Institute trainers and consultants do not merely lecture participants, but act as personal consultants and coaches dedicated to encouraging participants to succeed beyond their own expectations. While The Grant Institute uses collaboration and small groups for many exercises, each participant will work on their organizations project. Participants are not overwhelmed with negativity or discouragement, but will be given the highest level of expertise to generate confidence in pursuing any funding project. At The Grant Institute, participants dont just learn to write grant proposals from top to bottom. Participants become specialists in our unique area of expertise: Grant Communication. Simply put, this is not your grandfathers grantwriting workshop. Our graduates are strategic, innovative, and confident. Whether you are new to professional grantwriting, or an experienced professional, you will not want to miss The Grant Institute. PROGRAM DEVELOPMENT AND EVALUATION This course is centered around the belief that its all about the program. This intensive course will teach professional program development essentials and program evaluation. While most grantwriting workshops treat program development and evaluation as separate from the writing of a proposal, this class will teach students the relationship between overall program planning and all strategic communication, including grantwriting. Consistent in our belief in grant communication, this class encourages students to understand successful program development and to think strategically about funding as an integral part of the overall program planning process. This class turns students into experts by teaching how to take ideas and concepts and turn them into professionally developed programs. ADVANCED GRANT WRITING Designed for both the novice and experienced grantwriter, this course will make each student an overall fundraising communication specialist. In addition to teaching the basic components of a grant proposal, successful approaches, and the dos and donts of grantwriting, this course is infused with expert principles that will lead to a mastery of the process. Strategy resides at the forefront of this courses intent to illustrate grantwriting as an integrated, multidimensional, and dynamic endeavor. Each student will learn to stop writing the grant and to start writing the story. Ultimately, this class will illustrate how each component of the grant proposal represents an opportunity to use proven techniques for generating support. GRANT RESEARCH At its foundation, this course will address the basics of foundation, corporation, and government grant research. However, this course will teach a strategic funding research approach that encourages students to see research not as something they do before they write a proposal, but as an integrated part of the grant seeking process. Students will be exposed to online and database research tools, as well as publications and directories which contain information about foundation, corporation, and government grant opportunities. Focusing on funding sources and basic social science research, this course teaches students how to use research as part of a strategic communication effort
Re: what's wrong with my "/etc/apt/sources.list"? Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default
> deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye/updates main contrib > non-free > deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security bullseye/updates main > contrib non-free I think you are missing bullseye-security. I have this: deb http://mirrors.linode.com/debian-security/ bullseye-security main contrib non-free deb-src http://mirrors.linode.com/debian-security/ bullseye-security main contrib non-free I'm not so sure I need the 'contrib non-free' at the end of the line but it's not giving me any errors. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Moving from Testing to Stable + Backports
I've been using Testing for about a decade now with very few problems. But now I'm moving to Stable. Just wanted to mae sure I'm doing this right. I last updated using Testing on the friday, then the release happened on saturday. I changed my sources.list as below, did an apt update; apt upgrade, and uncerimoniously there were no updates to install, my system was already on bullseye. Easy. My intention is that when I upgrade or install something from now on, I want to take the latest most resonable version of it. If there's a security update, I want that version first. Normally if I install something, it should come from stable. However, if there's a backport of that thing, I prioritize the newer backport instead. But what if something got updated from backports and then later there's a security update for it in bullseye-security. Since I prioritize bullseye-security, what's going to happen? Is it going to reinstall a lower version number from bullseye-security? Lastly, I want to be able to manually install things from testing and from experimental. Here's my apt config files: sources.list deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ bullseye-security main contrib non-free deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ bullseye-security main contrib non-free deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-backports main contrib non-free deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-backports main contrib non-free deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main contrib non-free deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main contrib non-free deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free preferences Package: * Pin: release a=bullseye-security Pin-Priority: 1000 Package: * Pin: release a=bullseye-backports Pin-Priority: 950 Package: * Pin: release a=bullseye Pin-Priority: 900 Package: * Pin: release a=testing Pin-Priority: 250 Package: * Pin: release a=experimental Pin-Priority: 1 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Moving from Testing to Stable + Backports
> You're missing the "bullseye-updates" repository, but it's optional. If > the lines above were the only lines in your sources.list, you would be > doing it correctly. > > Bullseye-backports is also optional, and there probably aren't any yet. > And even when there are some, there's no guarantee that you'll need them. > Personally, I prefer to leave the -backports out of it unless and until > I actually need one. But if you want to bring it in proactively, that's > acceptable. > > > deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free > > deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free > > *THIS*, however, is wrong. > > With testing lines added to your sources.list, you are not running stable > (bullseye) any longer. You are still running testing, just with a > fallback option to retrieve bullseye packages as well. > > > deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free > > deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free > > And this is just stupid. Remove this immediately. > Ok I added bullseye-updates now, thanks. What priority should I apply to bullseye-update in preferences? With respect to having testing and experimental in the sources.list, I had testing prioritized at 250 and experimental at 1. The idea was that if some new package came along that I wanted to mess with, I could install it easily but if the there was a package belonging to bullseye, it would be installed there by priority. I am vigilant not to install things that contain dependencies that might update my entire system to, say, testing. Given that, are these lines still insane? Is there some way to tell apt to ask me if I want to install something from a particular repository, for example, something I want to test. I would like to have apt tell me "that's not in one of these repositories but it's in one of these other repositories you have in sources.list, ok to install it from there?" Something like a warn-me flag? Or something that shows me what repository I'm about to install something from? I was sort of hoping that's what setting a priority <500 would do. Here's an updated version now of what I have, though I would uncomment testing and experimental if I understand correctly. Wondering if I should also add unstable in there at an equally low priority. /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ bullseye-security main contrib non-free deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security/ bullseye-security main contrib non-free deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-updates main contrib non-free deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-backports main contrib non-free deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye-backports main contrib non-free deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main contrib non-free deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ bullseye main contrib non-free #deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free #deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free #deb http://deb.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free #deb-src http://deb.debian.org/debian/ experimental main contrib non-free /etc/apt/preferences Package: * Pin: release a=bullseye-security Pin-Priority: 1000 Package: * Pin: release a=bullseye-updates Pin-Priority: 950 Package: * Pin: release a=bullseye-backports Pin-Priority: 950 Package: * Pin: release a=bullseye Pin-Priority: 900 Package: * Pin: release a=testing Pin-Priority: 250 Package: * Pin: release a=experimental Pin-Priority: 1 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Moving from Testing to Stable + Backports
> some people have different goals than i. You're correct. Though I do have a primary goal to have a stable system, I sometimes (albeit it's rare) I need to install package that's not in stable, or I need some feature from a more recent version of something which is why backports is important to me. Up to now, I have been running Testing which has served me pretty well. I've been convinced by discussion here to move to Stable + Backports. I included Experimental which probably was a mistake and I probably meant Unstable. (I can see Greg rolling his eyes...) Here's a blog post I was looking at: https://rabexc.org/posts/apt-config This is very close, if not exactly, what I want to do. I'm very aware about mixing releases. If you ever do this, you need to be very careful not to suck in a ton of dependencies. Greg is correct, you can at the click of a key unwittingly install so many dependencies that your system becomes that release. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Internet diagnosing
On Sun, Sep 05, 2021 at 04:57:44PM +0200, Julius Hamilton wrote: > I was wondering if anyone knew a similar user email group like this one for > questions related to internet connectivity. Maybe there is a widely used open > source network software tool where people discuss network questions. I too have been wondering about this. There used to be some usenet news groups. I did manage to find the old comp.networks group but it's not well attended. https://groups.google.com/g/comp.networks When I have networking questions, I try to narrow them down to a specific area. For example, if it's about Ubiquiti routers, I'll post on the Ubiquiti forum. If it's an OpenVPN issue, I end up posting on that forum. If it seems like a networking issue in Debian, here is very appropriate and there's lots of experienced folks here. But where to post some general networking issue that's not specific and you are completely in the dark as to where to start, yah I sure, start here if you're using Debian on at least one thing you can't get to the network. I wouldn't ask an Android or windows question here but if say your problem occurs on Debian and not on Android, yah very appropriate to ask here. In relation to your question which seems like it's Android related, I'd see if it also happens if you access thoses sites in Debian. If yes, then it's a general problem. If no, then I'd probably post on a forum like the Andronix Forum. If both, then this is possibly something with the internet connection or wifi router. Many router manufacturers and ISPs have help forums. Thing is, these days, there's so much networking stuff out there that if there is an active general networking help list (which there may be and I haven't found it), it'd probably have so much chatter on it that it may not be useful. One needs to narrow down the scope at least a bit to find some forum which might help, even if someone points you to another forum which ultimately helps you. Without more info, I'd say you may have some DNS resolution problem. Is there some firewall blocking access to some sites? Are you using anything like Pi-hole, VPN, or some browser extension which might be trying to do some weird VPN like stuff? What happens when you try with something running Debian? Can you narrow it down to a sitiation where it always works and one where it always fails? Michael Grant signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: A suggestion to multiply your users
Brett, Dan's exactly correct: > Debian is a Linux distribution -- a collection of software that > works together as a complete operating system plus applications. A Linux distribution can run programs written to run in Linux of which Inkscape is but one of those programs. The Debian users on this list did not write it. Debian is geeky and this makes it easy and clear for us who use it. There are a ton of other Linux distributions that are based on Debian that may be more suited to a non geek and still you can run all the same software. (And there's a ton of other Linux distributions that are not based on Debian too, oh so many to choose from!) Do a search for 'linux distributions based on debian' in your favorite search engine. There's a wikipedia page here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Debian-based_distributions Ubuntu is certainly one of the most popular. They all look and feel a bit different, it gets down to personal preference and how easy one is for you to use. Many of these off shoots of Debian are aimed at non geeky people. Think of Debian as a platform that these other things are built on. Debian itself is built on Linux, GNU, and a many tools and utilities. Layer on layer if you may. Hope this helps. Michel Grant signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Kernel message: BUG: Bad page state in process kworker
I'm seeing lots of errors like this in my kern.log on 2 of 3 of my deban Linodes running testing on Linode's provided kerne 5.10.13. Is this a problem in Debian or is this a Linode issue? Mar 12 19:32:18 strange kernel: [10849.820363] BUG: Bad page state in process kworker/0:3 pfn:10902f Mar 12 19:32:18 strange kernel: [10849.825374] page:edbc1187 refcount:-1 mapcount:0 mapping: index:0x0 pfn:0x10902f Mar 12 19:32:18 strange kernel: [10849.827665] flags: 0x200() Mar 12 19:32:18 strange kernel: [10849.828894] raw: 0200 dead0100 dead0122 Mar 12 19:32:18 strange kernel: [10849.830817] raw: 0011 Mar 12 19:32:18 strange kernel: [10849.832758] page dumped because: nonzero _refcount Mar 12 19:32:18 strange kernel: [10849.834141] Modules linked in: Mar 12 19:32:18 strange kernel: [10849.835229] CPU: 0 PID: 769 Comm: kworker/0:3 Tainted: GB 5.10.13-x86_64-linode141 #1 Mar 12 19:32:18 strange kernel: [10849.837423] Hardware name: QEMU Standard PC (Q35 + ICH9, 2009), BIOS rel-1.12.1-0-ga5cab58e9a3f-prebuilt.qemu.org 04/01/2014 Mar 12 19:32:18 strange kernel: [10849.840005] Workqueue: mm_percpu_wq drain_local_pages_wq Mar 12 19:32:18 strange kernel: [10849.841538] Call Trace: Mar 12 19:32:18 strange kernel: [10849.842620] dump_stack+0x6d/0x88 Mar 12 19:32:18 strange kernel: [10849.843813] bad_page.cold.119+0x63/0x93 Mar 12 19:32:18 strange kernel: [10849.845096] free_pcppages_bulk+0x18e/0x6a0 Mar 12 19:32:18 strange kernel: [10849.846423] drain_pages_zone+0x41/0x50 Mar 12 19:32:18 strange kernel: [10849.847740] drain_pages+0x3c/0x50 Mar 12 19:32:18 strange kernel: [10849.848956] drain_local_pages_wq+0xe/0x10 Mar 12 19:32:18 strange kernel: [10849.850282] process_one_work+0x1fb/0x390 Mar 12 19:32:18 strange kernel: [10849.851579] ? process_one_work+0x390/0x390 Mar 12 19:32:18 strange kernel: [10849.852929] worker_thread+0x221/0x3e0 Mar 12 19:32:18 strange kernel: [10849.854159] ? process_one_work+0x390/0x390 Mar 12 19:32:18 strange kernel: [10849.855648] kthread+0x116/0x130 Mar 12 19:32:18 strange kernel: [10849.857066] ? kthread_park+0x80/0x80 Mar 12 19:32:18 strange kernel: [10849.858424] ret_from_fork+0x22/0x30 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Kernel message: BUG: Bad page state in process kworker
> I'd say it is a Linode problem, unless you run custom kernel modules. > It looks like a "memory" corruption to me and since it is virtualized system, > you should check if host system is ok. > Memory in quotes because this issue could be also related to a storage > sub-system (local or network attached) of the host or VM. I'm definitely not running a custom kernel. They live migrated this linode to a new physical machine and still getting these errors so I don't think it's a h/w issue. It seems to be a qemu issue to me but I am not very familiar with qemu. The fact that they live migrated it does seem to imply it's all part of the same virtualization system, probably same qemu, which would make sense that it didn't fix the error. I'd like to know if anyone else is seeing this who is using linode and has recently been migrated to their new metal. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
apt upgrade merging modified files
When I apt-update, sometimes I update something for which I modified a config file and I get this menu: Configuration file '/etc/matrix-synapse/homeserver.yaml' ==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation. ==> Package distributor has shipped an updated version. What would you like to do about it ? Your options are: Y or I : install the package maintainer's version N or O : keep your currently-installed version D : show the differences between the versions Z : start a shell to examine the situation The default action is to keep your current version. *** homeserver.yaml (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] Sometimes, rarely, I get a 5th option offering to try to merge the files. I don't know what causes the merge option to be available or not. If this is a file which I indeed modified, what I inevitably end up doing is using the Z option, popping into a shell, then presents me 2 variables (without $ in front of them) which give me 2 files: current and new. So what I do is manually echo the two variables out (putting a $ in front of them) and run emacs and emerge them together. This is fine, it's usually pretty easy. Is there some way I can at minimum add a 5th option to the above menu to run emacs in emerge mode with those files as args? This would save lazy me the steps of echoing the vars and starting emacs manually. I run etckeeper, it would be really sweet if this was smart enough to attempt a 3-way merge (merge with an ancestor file). Michael Grant signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Possible?! A Debian public repository for all complex code lines with examples and scripts?
Unfortunately this is a bit of a mess but you need to understand the history and politics here. First off, Debian, as well as the other Unix and Linux distributions are a collection of lots of different things from differnet places and you get an operating system out of it all. Something like Microsoft's Windows or the old mainframe operating systems like DEC's VMS or the various IBM operating systems, these operating systems were put out by a company which had complete control over all aspects of the system and it's documentation. GNU/Linux meaning Debian, Ubuntu, RedHat, or any of the hundred or so linux distrubtions just are not this way. Unix and Linux distrubtions are a collection of many things from many places. The 'ls' man page you mention is part of the GNU utilities, not written by the Debian project, nor is the shell like sh, csh, bash, zsh etc.. Unix Man pages have been around for many decades and each component usually (not always!) comes with a man page. There's no single company or organization that has any overarching responsility to make sure any individual man page is consistent with another. Furthermore, some things like some of the Gnu tools have documentation in a system called 'info' and there's often files distributed in /usr/share/docs and then some projects document things in web pages and in markdown files like readmes in git repositories. There just isn't a single point of documentation and I doubt you'll get everyone to double-document things by making man pages AND writing documentation in some global documentation repository. It is unfortunate that today, sometimes the best documentation is by doing a web search and reading though things on sites like stackexchange or perople's personal blogs. I say unfortunate but it works. Don't get me wrong, it would be great if there was like a wikipedia for all this but I doubt it will ever happen, and Debian is just one of many different projects that consumes as well as produces things. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Whether Man pages could visually be structured in an abstract form to be understood easier
> Also, other man pages are similarly converted. Really, man pages are > sick without a teacher, for me of course. > Rajib Rajib, The pushback you will get here is not because it isn't a good idea to have some documentation that is easier to use. The problem is historical and one of standardization. So you understand, here's my understanding (I'm sure people will correct me where I'm wrong): Debian is one of many different linux distributions and is a variant of Unix of which there are several still existing variants. Unix having it's roots in Multix and was said to be "Unix is Multix without the balls". All of these different operationg systems have the same origin dating back to the 60s and 70s. The man pages are one of these throw backs. The pieces of software that make up debian don't all originate within the debian project. Much of the software originates from what we call "upstream" meaning it's outside of debian and it "flows" into debian. Nobody here on this list or even within the debian community has any authority to get other variants of unix/linux to move to a new manual format. Furthermore, The unix/gnu-linux man pages are only supposed to be succient reference pages, though often they do contain working examples. They are definitely not meant to be tutorials, they never were and never have been. For me, the biggest change I've seen globally to man pages is that someone thankfully fixed the ROFF man processor to format man pages as a single long page rather than multiple pages of fixed 66 lines with headers and footers at 66 line intervals. Those headers and footers in the middle of the man page annoyed me for decades! I don't know who finally fixed that but if you're reading this, THANK YOU. This change happened because someone upstream altered the workings of the 'man' command which had a global effect. Altering the contents of man pages is not the same thing. There are other systems such as 'info' which came out of the gnuemacs info which I think is probably more appropriate for the tutorial like things you want. Things like the debian wiki that was mentioned, this is really debian specific and again, unix/linux is a much larger thing of which debian is a "consumer" of. It would be quite good if when people built software that beyond simple man pages that they were also nudged to create longer documentation in info or something that could be used to create some easy to use documentation site like some global unix wiki. Anyway, just trying to get my point across that your ideas may be laudible and good, but what you seek globally can't be accomplished locally. You either need to do it outside on the side of all the software out there, a monumental effort, or somehow effectuate a change to get software authors to write better documentation and ship it with their software. Michael Grant signature.asc Description: PGP signature
dovecot packages
Just noticed on the dovecot.org site, the latest version of dovecot seems to be v2.3.14, but on the dovecot package tracker on the debian site: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/dovecot, we're at v2.3.13. V2.1.14 has been around for about a month. What's surprising is that on the tracker web page, usually there's an 'action needed' with a 'A new upstream version is available...' but not here. Is something broken there? Who do I tell? For comparison, if you look at Sendmail's debian tracker page: https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/sendmail you see that it shows there's a new upstream version. Is this 'action needed' something that is updated manually? I coulnd't easily find the debian maintainer to pass this on. Suggestions? or should I just ignore it and eventually someone will get to it? Michael Grant signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: dovecot packages
On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 10:49:52PM +0200, Tomaž Šolc wrote: > On 19. 04. 21 19:38, Reco wrote: > > https://dovecot.org/releases/2.3/dovecot-([\.0-9]+)\.tar\.gz > > I think this should still match the latest dovecot release that Michael > mentions: > > https://dovecot.org/releases/2.3/dovecot-2.3.14.tar.gz > Yes, interesting, it definitely should match. Anyway, thanks all. I emailed dove...@packages.debian.org, hopefully it's helpful info to them. Michael Grant signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: how to use fetchmail with MS Office 365 / davmail?
I saw in the last 6 months a daemon that let you get oauth tokens on linux and then it refereshed the token indefinitely until told to stop. Essentially making the token available on linux so you could use it in another program that requied a password, for example fetchmail or getmail. I've tried to find it but I'm turning up nothing. I'm pretty sure I didn't imagine it! Does anyone recall the name? This could definitely be helpful for fetching mail from an account with oauth setup. Michael Grant signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: PC fan getting very loud
On Sat, May 08, 2021 at 11:23:06AM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2021-05-08 11:13 +0200, deloptes wrote: > > > Fujitsu ESPRIMO Q520 when opening some sh*tty web sitesin firefox the fan > > gets extremly noisy. > > Such is the modern web. :-( I also recently had something like this happen. I tried to redo the thermal paste between the CPU and cooler but it did not help. I have a liquid cooler on my CPU. Apparently these things get clogged up over time. They need to be replaced (or taken apart carefully and cleaned) from time to time. I replaced my cooler with a Thermaltake and I have to say my desktop went from sounding like a jet engine to near total silence. I was actually so surprised at first I thought it wasn't working! I don't know if this brand is particularrly quiet or if they're all quiet now days. However, replacing the cooler definitely helped considerably. Michael Grant signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: PC fan getting very loud
> You had some bad liquid cooler then, or damaged water pump. I have AIO > liquid cooler from Corsair, bought it together with Ryzen 95W CPU about > 4 years ago, haven't reapplied paste since then. No cleaning done > either, apart from de-dusting case every 6 months or so. Temperatures > are ideal, under Linux I have no control over 2 AIO fans, but everything > works perfectly on its own. My previous liquid cooler was a Corsair and it failed after about 5 or 6 years. And yes, I highly suspect it was in the water pump, the blades getting gummed up or something over the years it was in operation which was pretty much 24x7. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: A Proposal: Each of Online Debian Man pages could have a wiki (Main page / Talk Page, etc.) at its bottom, with only Example Code Lines ...
On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 09:20:56PM +0530, Susmita/Rajib wrote: > The subject line is being amended to add the word "Online " before > "... Debian Man pages ..." for the thread at: > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/06/msg00432.html, continued > till https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2021/06/msg00438.html, to > further clarify confusion of rhkramer , who privately > communicated, and for Jonathan Dowland , who showed > interest on the topic. I also hope that with this Email I shall also > be able to address the confusions inadvertently caused to Mr. David > Wright ,. > > The Drive Folder for a sample Man file and an attempt at pictorial > analysis of a sample command: > https://bit.ly/Apt_readingManPages > > An analysis of the Drive File : DebianApt-get.txt > > https://manpages.debian.org/buster/apt/apt-get.8.en.html > > apt-get [-asqdyfmubV] [-o=config_string] [-c=config_file] [-t=target_release] > > Please look at the parts: > Let > A = apt-get > B = [-asqdyfmubV] > C = [-o=config_string] > D = [-c=config_file] > E = [-t=target_release] > > An apt-get command is a Text String formed by one particular choice of > all the options available, of each of A, B, C, D and E, with a space > in between. > > Say, in abstraction, a Text-String formed by, say: > Aₕ Bₖ Cₘ Dₙ Eₚ, where each of h,k,m,n and p is any one of all the > options available for each of them individually. > > For example, one code-line could be A₁ B₂ C₅ D₆ E₁₂, as an illustration. > > I was just trying to say this illustratively for writers (without a > general mathematical background) who would help edit the code lines, > by the svg picture. > > No authorisation required. Please have all the files downloaded to > your local HDD and then use EOG (or any other image viewer you are > comfortable with) for viewing the images, and plain text reader like > leafpad to read the text files. > > Ideally, if your browser if properly set up, you need not download. > You could view/read files from your browser-tab itself. > > I use Mozilla Firefox. But for any Mozilla forked web-browser like > Google Chrome or Chromium, operations are similar. > > A GUI user would usually click the link on the Email (Gmail) Tab. If > settings are standard on the web-browser, the link shall open on a > separate Tab. > > My proposal is, by a specific example, for the Debian Apt Man Online Page, > Let M be The Debian Apt Man Online Webpage. > i.e., M = https://manpages.debian.org/buster/apt/apt.8.en.html > > Then my proposal: > > M = M + Examples of all the representative combinations of code-lines > related to Command, at the bottom, like my file (i have, for > illustration, presented pictorially the scheme, whereas what's > required are all example/representative code lines, into rows of code > lines, with, if required, one line/phrase explanations) > > Pictorially illustrated on the Drive folder. > > Best, > Rajib > > I honestly couldn't decode this message but I have been following this thread. If I understand correctly what I think Rajib wants is: 1) when a package is added to debian's repo, some automation which looks at the package, determines if it has man pages, and for each of those man pages, create a corresponding wiki page in a debian owned man page wiki. 2) somehow automatically patch the man page to include a link to said wiki page. (note, this will be hard). Maybe some automation could be created to create these wiki pages. But I see problems. Packages change, become obsolete, sometimes get renamed. Even command names change over time. It's a little odd for Debian to host a documentation wiki for upstream tools. The package maintainers would need to look after the wiki page that corresponds to the package they are maintaining. Not everyone is going to be happy with more work. Even if they are not the ones writing it, they will need to be aware of it and if things change, tweak it. It seems like Rajib is looking for something at a higher level, not at the level of Debian, but at the level of Unix/Linux itself, as in, how to document things you've worked on in a standard way in a globally editable/extendable forum. Wikis tend to be GUI based and man pages are text files used generally at the command propt. The closest text based thing I can think of is the gnu info system which is/was meant for this sort of thing but is not very widely used. It predates markdown and wikis by many years. I'm all for better documentation but I don't see how Debian can be the documentation repository for all tools that just happen to be Debian packages. It feels like you should try to start a sort of "unixepedia" thing like wikipedia and then one by one try to get people to create pages for their tools. Then, eventually people will put links into their man pages pointing at this global resource. That's my best opinion after reading all your posts. Michael Grant signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Messed up Email
On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 07:36:33PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Tue 22 Jun 2021 at 10:44:55 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote: > > > In addition to everything everybody else has said, and just to make it > > absolutely clear; > > > > gmail != email > > Nonsense. > > > or, in words; > > > > gmail IS NOT email > > More nonsense. Not nonsense at all. gmail is a mail reader (like as Thunderbird, Mutt, Pine, or Outlook (the program) + a mail server + domain name (gmail.com). email is set standards which gmail implements. email is NOT gmail and let's not forget this. I'm sure most everyone on this list is tech savy enough to understand that. Brian, it would astonish me if you don't, but your reply is difficult to understand your intent whether it's toungue in cheek or not. It's quite shocking to me to have conversations with young people, even into their early 20s who do not understand this distinction. And there are many people who do not understand the distinction between a standards based system such as mail or the web and a proprietary system such as facebook, WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, etc etc. And many of them simply don't care, for them, they just use it because their friends do. Michael Grant signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Messed up Email
> Apparently the lines are blurry enough for you to include Signal in that > list. Why? Not blurry at all. Signal is just as closed a system as WhatsApp. Maybe more private, but unless you know something I don't, Signal doesn't talk to anything other than other Signal. Puppeted bridges are not interoperability, as far as I am aware, all users still need to be on Signal. You'll notice that I didn't put Matrix on that list. One day there will be multiple Matrix servers and clients and it's not dependent on any single company's infrastructure. Michael Grant signature.asc Description: PGP signature
strange boot messages
I'm running Debian 11.2 stable on a Linode (a popular VPS). After a recent update, I think from around 25th of January, I'm starting to see some strange messages in my logs: systemd[1]: First Boot Complete was skipped because of a failed condition check (ConditionFirstBoot=yes). systemd[1]: getty on tty2-tty6 if dbus and logind are not available was skipped because of a failed condition check (ConditionPathExists=!/usr/bin/dbus-daemon). systemd[1]: Platform Persistent Storage Archival was skipped because of a failed condition check (ConditionDirectoryNotEmpty=/sys/fs/pstore). systemd[1]: Set Up Additional Binary Formats was skipped because all trigger condition checks failed. systemd[1]: Store a System Token in an EFI Variable was skipped because of a failed condition check (ConditionPathExists=/sys/firmware/efi/efivars/LoaderFeatures-4a67b082-0a4c-41cf-b6c7-440b29bb8c4f). systemd-udevd[277]: Network interface NamePolicy= disabled on kernel command line, ignoring. systemd[1]: fast remote file copy program daemon was skipped because of a failed condition check (ConditionPathExists=/etc/rsyncd.conf). Are these just informational or are these problems I need to fix? I did some searching but couldn't find much. Please CC me, I'm not currently on the list. Michael Grant signature.asc Description: PGP signature
RE: strange boot messages
Thanks Kushal (and thanks Cindy Sue). Glad I’m not the only one seeing these! An observation to anyone who might be able to do something about this in the future... it would be less stressful or scary if these messages were said in such a way that they didn’t look like failures. Is ConditionFirstBoot something set when Debian boots for the first time after an install? It seems like this shouldn’t even be a message since it’s going to be printed into the log forever going forward! First boot, sure, say it’s true and do whatever but after that, imho, no need to print anything unless perhaps some verbose flag is set. Anyway, this stuff may not even be Debian specific, just my observations from a user (a sysadmin user). Hope this gets tidied up at some point. I’m happy and relieved you knew what these were and will now summarily ignore them in the future! Michael Grant From: Kushal Kumaran Sent: 27 February 2022 19:01 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Cc: Michael Grant Subject: Re: strange boot messages cc-ing as requested On Sun, Feb 27 2022 at 09:01:31 AM, Michael Grant wrote: > I'm running Debian 11.2 stable on a Linode (a popular VPS). After a recent > update, I think from > around 25th of January, I'm starting to see some strange messages in > my logs: > > systemd[1]: First Boot Complete was skipped because of a failed > condition check (ConditionFirstBoot=yes). > > systemd[1]: getty on tty2-tty6 if dbus and logind are not available > was skipped because of a failed condition check > (ConditionPathExists=!/usr/bin/dbus-daemon). > > systemd[1]: Platform Persistent Storage Archival was skipped because > of a failed condition check > (ConditionDirectoryNotEmpty=/sys/fs/pstore). > > systemd[1]: Set Up Additional Binary Formats was skipped because all trigger > condition checks failed. > > systemd[1]: Store a System Token in an EFI Variable was skipped > because of a failed condition check > (ConditionPathExists=/sys/firmware/efi/efivars/LoaderFeatures-4a67b082-0a4c-41cf-b6c7-440b29bb8c4f). > > systemd-udevd[277]: Network interface NamePolicy= disabled on kernel command > line, ignoring. > > systemd[1]: fast remote file copy program daemon was skipped because > of a failed condition check (ConditionPathExists=/etc/rsyncd.conf). > > > Are these just informational or are these problems I need to fix? I > did some searching but couldn't find much. > > Please CC me, I'm not currently on the list. > > Michael Grant These are normal. Several bits of bootup are conditional based on the ambient environment (whether it is a first boot, whether you have specific hardware features such as pstore or efi available, or whether you have particular binary packages are installed, etc.). My system has the same messages in slightly different format. Feb 23 22:26:28 copper systemd[1]: Condition check resulted in Kernel Module supporting RPCSEC_GSS being skipped. Feb 23 22:26:28 copper systemd[1]: Condition check resulted in Set Up Additional Binary Formats being skipped. Feb 23 22:26:28 copper systemd[1]: Condition check resulted in File System Check on Root Device being skipped. Feb 23 22:26:28 copper systemd[1]: Condition check resulted in Rebuild Hardware Database being skipped.Feb 23 22:26:28 copper systemd[1]: Condition check resulted in Platform Persistent Storage Archival being skipped. Feb 23 22:26:28 copper systemd[1]: Condition check resulted in First Boot Complete being skipped. Feb 23 22:26:28 copper systemd[1]: Condition check resulted in Dispatch Password Requests to Console Directory Watch being skipped. Feb 23 22:26:28 copper systemd[1]: Condition check resulted in Virtual Machine and Container Storage (Compatibility) being skipped. Feb 23 22:26:29 copper systemd[1]: Condition check resulted in Dispatch Password Requests to Console Directory Watch being skipped. Feb 23 22:26:29 copper systemd[1]: Condition check resulted in Set Up Additional Binary Formats being skipped. Feb 23 22:26:29 copper systemd[1]: Condition check resulted in File System Check on Root Device being skipped. I guess either a version or a configuration difference results in your system logging the actual condition. -- regards, kushal
Most maintainable way to install perl modules on Debian sysetms
I try to keep my systems as up to date as possible. I use apt update regularly. When I can install a perl module from apt, I usually do so because then apt update picks up new versions of it. When I install something which has a dependency on a perl module in apt, that module gets installed. Things just work and I am unstressed and happy. However, what should I do if I need a perl module that someone hasn’t kindly created a package for? I know I can install it from cpan. But once I do that, then I have to keep that module up to date via cpan. Perhaps I’m not alone and someone has a way to cross maintain these things that I’m unaware of? So I yesterday, I decided to install a perl module from cpan. I ran cpan for the first time in a long time, it asked me some question which I took the default (maybe I shouldn’t have!), then I installed Mail::DMARC. It downloaded the source, grinded away for several minutes and when it was finished, it successfully installed the module. Miraculous! But it installed it in /usr/share/perl/5.30/Mail/DMARC. I thought that’s odd, why would it install it in a folder that has a perl version? Why not somewhere a bit more general like /usr/share/perl5? What happens when Perl gets updated and /usr/share/perl/5.30/ is no longer in perl’s search path for its modules? I’m worried that using this DMARC perl module, updating perl could just break mail someday! Shouldn’t the default for cpan be something other than this version based directory on Debian? Should I worry about this? (this may be more a CPAN question than a Debian question to be honest). So my question is, is there a recommended, maintainable way to install perl modules on Debian that are not installed by apt-get such that things get updated properly? I suppose this could even be a general question when you consider other things like python, php, nodejs and others, all of which have their own module systems. Feels like there’s a need for a sort of meta-module system that works with apt, but I’m not sure which is why I am asking here. Suggestions and advice welcome! Michael Grant
Re: Most maintainable way to install perl modules on Debian sysetms
> cpan2deb takes a CPAN module and builds it as a Debian package. > Use a common suffix like -mgrant and you can spot these in > package listings. > > When you upgrade, build new versions of all the -mgrant > packages. Thanks. So in one way this makes it easier to remove the module which cpan doesn't do, but I'd still have to track the module manually and run this again and again, remembering or scripting something to do all of this automatically. Has anyone built something which when you ran apt upgrade, it would look at each of these packages that were made by cpan2deb, then look in cpan to see if the module was updated, then create a new deb and upgrade the package? That would really automate the whole process like apt upgrade. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Most maintainable way to install perl modules on Debian sysetms
> Well, that would do the job thoughtlessly. It might backfire > spectacularly. > > If one set up a service in that way, it would eventually get a > terrible reputation. > > If, on the other hand, one spent the time to maintain those > packages properly... you could be a Debian Maintainer, and get > them into the primary repos. > > The third course, that doesn't commit you to doing that work and > doesn't expose you to that risk, is more or less as I've already > outlined. apt has an excellent reputation, I'm not sure I see why mechanizing such a process as apt does should be necessarily be bad. I'm not talking about blind nightly updates. If this is truely the best way at the moment to keep perl modules maintainable, I will try it. Thanks. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
setting the date for testing
I need to set the date to several years in the future in order to test something. When I do this via the date command, the date returns back almost instantly (or within a few seconds). # timedatectl set-time 2025-12-06 20:41:41 # date Sat 6 Dec 20:41:43 GMT 2025 # date Sat 6 Dec 20:41:44 GMT 2025 # date Sun 6 Dec 20:41:48 GMT 2020 I’m not using ntp (that I know of). # timedatectl timesync-status Failed to query server: The name org.freedesktop.timesync1 was not provided by any .service files # timedatectl show Timezone=Europe/London LocalRTC=no CanNTP=no NTP=no NTPSynchronized=no TimeUSec=Sun 2020-12-06 20:37:19 GMT RTCTimeUSec=Sun 2020-12-06 18:51:22 GMT How can I stop (temporarily) the system from automatically setting the date so that I can set it forward?
RE: setting the date for testing
This did not work: # timedatectl set-ntp true Failed to set ntp: NTP not supported # timedatectl set-ntp false Failed to set ntp: NTP not supported Other ideas? I am trying to set the date manually so that I can test the system set at future dates. Setting the system using the date command, it just resets itself back to the current date/time after a few seconds. How can I stop this? Thanks! Michael Grant From: hdv@gmail Sent: 07 December 2020 07:53 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: setting the date for testing On 2020-12-06 21:56, hdv@gmail wrote: > # timedatectl set-ntp true I am sorry for the typo. This should of course have been "false"! Grx HdV
Re: setting the date for testing
> Could it be that you have systemd-timesyncd running? > > BTW, this is what I do to manually/explicitly set the system time (taken > verbatim from my vimwiki, so don't mind the wording): > > Changing the Current Date: > > # timedatectl set-time > > Or both at once: > > # timedatectl set-time > > This commands will fail if an NTP service is enabled. The NTP service can be > enabled and disabled using a command as follows: > > # timedatectl set-ntp > > Changes to the status of chrony or ntpd will not be immediately noticed by > timedatectl. If changes to the configuration or status of these tools are > made, enter the following command: > > # systemctl restart systemd-timedated.service > > By default, the system is configured to use UTC. To configure your system to > maintain the clock in the local time, run the timedatectl command with the > set-local-rtc option as root: > > # timedatectl set-local-rtc I tried stopping systemd-timedated and ntp: # systemctl stop systemd-timedated.service # systemctl stop ntp Then: # timedatectl set-time 2025-12-13 14:01:42 and here's what I see by running date every few seconds: # date Sat 13 Dec 14:01:43 GMT 2025 # date Sat 13 Dec 14:01:44 GMT 2025 # date Sun 13 Dec 14:01:48 GMT 2020 # date Sun 13 Dec 14:01:49 GMT 2020 I can't see anything running that would re-set the date. This is a VM running inside virtualbox. I just figured it out, it WAS using the hardware clock. I shut down the VM and ran this on the host: VBoxManage modifyvm MyVM --biossystemtimeoffset 12623040 and now when it booted, I saw this: $ date Sun 13 Dec 15:29:47 GMT 2020 $ date Fri 13 Dec 15:29:59 GMT 2024 $ date Fri 13 Dec 15:30:00 GMT 2024 $ date Fri 13 Dec 15:30:01 GMT 2024 $ date Fri 13 Dec 15:30:01 GMT 2024 $ date Fri 13 Dec 15:31:49 GMT 2024 and now it appears to stick. So I'm good. Thanks for your help though! Michael Grant signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Failed to migrate controller cgroups
I'm seeing warnings like this in my logs: Jan 3 04:48:49 bottom systemd[3436917]: -.slice: Failed to migrate controller cgroups from /user.slice/user-108.slice/user@108.service, ignoring: Permission denied Jan 3 08:20:25 bottom systemd[1410]: -.slice: Failed to migrate controller cgroups from /user.slice/user-108.slice/user@108.service, ignoring: Permission denied Jan 3 08:20:25 bottom systemd[1411]: -.slice: Failed to migrate controller cgroups from /user.slice/user-115.slice/user@115.service, ignoring: Permission denied Jan 3 08:41:04 bottom systemd[6153]: -.slice: Failed to migrate controller cgroups from /user.slice/user-1001.slice/user@1001.service, ignoring: Permission denied I did some googling around and someone recommended looking at the output of journalctl: # journalctl -b --no-hostname -u user@1001.service -- Journal begins at Sat 2020-10-17 13:43:00 EDT, ends at Sun 2021-01-03 08:41:16 EST. -- Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[1]: Starting User Manager for UID 1001... Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[6153]: pam_unix(systemd-user:session): session opened for user strange by (uid=0) Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[6153]: Queued start job for default target Main User Target. Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[6153]: -.slice: Failed to migrate controller cgroups from /user.slice/user-1001.slice/user@1001.service, ignoring: Permission denied Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[6153]: Created slice User Application Slice. Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[6153]: Reached target Paths. Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[6153]: Reached target Timers. Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[6153]: Starting D-Bus User Message Bus Socket. Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[6153]: Listening on GnuPG network certificate management daemon. Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[6153]: Listening on GnuPG cryptographic agent and passphrase cache (access for web browsers). Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[6153]: Listening on GnuPG cryptographic agent and passphrase cache (restricted). Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[6153]: Listening on GnuPG cryptographic agent (ssh-agent emulation). Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[6153]: Listening on GnuPG cryptographic agent and passphrase cache. Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[6153]: Listening on D-Bus User Message Bus Socket. Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[6153]: Reached target Sockets. Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[6153]: Reached target Basic System. Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[6153]: Reached target Main User Target. Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[6153]: Startup finished in 119ms. Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 1001. But this isn't helpful in finding the problem. Where else might I look to find out what is causing this permission error so that I can fix it? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Failed to migrate controller cgroups
I sent this a few days ago but nobody responded. Does anyone have any ideas how to fix this permission problem? I'm seeing warnings like this in my logs: Jan 3 04:48:49 bottom systemd[3436917]: -.slice: Failed to migrate controller cgroups from +/user.slice/user-108.slice/user@108.service, ignoring: Permission denied Jan 3 08:20:25 bottom systemd[1410]: -.slice: Failed to migrate controller cgroups from +/user.slice/user-108.slice/user@108.service, ignoring: Permission denied Jan 3 08:20:25 bottom systemd[1411]: -.slice: Failed to migrate controller cgroups from +/user.slice/user-115.slice/user@115.service, ignoring: Permission denied Jan 3 08:41:04 bottom systemd[6153]: -.slice: Failed to migrate controller cgroups from +/user.slice/user-1001.slice/user@1001.service, ignoring: Permission denied I did some googling around and someone recommended looking at the output of journalctl: # journalctl -b --no-hostname -u user@1001.service -- Journal begins at Sat 2020-10-17 13:43:00 EDT, ends at Sun 2021-01-03 08:41:16 EST. -- Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[1]: Starting User Manager for UID 1001... Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[6153]: pam_unix(systemd-user:session): session opened for user strange by (uid=0) Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[6153]: Queued start job for default target Main User Target. Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[6153]: -.slice: Failed to migrate controller cgroups from +/user.slice/user-1001.slice/user@1001.service, ignoring: Permission denied Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[6153]: Created slice User Application Slice. Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[6153]: Reached target Paths. Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[6153]: Reached target Timers. Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[6153]: Starting D-Bus User Message Bus Socket. Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[6153]: Listening on GnuPG network certificate management daemon. Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[6153]: Listening on GnuPG cryptographic agent and passphrase cache (access for web browsers). Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[6153]: Listening on GnuPG cryptographic agent and passphrase cache (restricted). Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[6153]: Listening on GnuPG cryptographic agent (ssh-agent emulation). Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[6153]: Listening on GnuPG cryptographic agent and passphrase cache. Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[6153]: Listening on D-Bus User Message Bus Socket. Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[6153]: Reached target Sockets. Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[6153]: Reached target Basic System. Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[6153]: Reached target Main User Target. Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[6153]: Startup finished in 119ms. Jan 03 08:41:04 systemd[1]: Started User Manager for UID 1001. But this isn't helpful in finding the problem. Where else might I look to find out what is causing this permission error so that I can fix it? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Failed to migrate controller cgroups
On Wed, Jan 06, 2021 at 10:35:00AM +, Thomas Pircher wrote: > Michael Grant wrote: > > I'm seeing warnings like this in my logs: > > > > Jan 3 04:48:49 bottom systemd[3436917]: -.slice: Failed to migrate > > controller cgroups from > > +/user.slice/user-108.slice/user@108.service, ignoring: Permission denied > > I take it you are using Debian testing and systemd 247.1? > Try setting systemd.unified_cgroup_hierarchy=true in your kernel boot > arguments, as suggested here[1]. > > Thomas > > [1] https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=261330 Yes, it's true, I'm using 'testing' and yes, "apt-policy systemd" reports I a have systemd 247.1-3+deb11u1. I'm using Linode. I never saw a place to set these params in Linode and sure enough there doesn't appear to be. Is there some way to set this without it needing to pass to the kernel as command line args at boot time? Perhaps it's ok to just ignore this for now and it will get resolved eventually. Any idea what problems this might be causing? I haven't noticed anything. Thanks for pointing me to that, I had not found that despite searching multiple times over the last couple weeks! Michael Grant signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: po...@lists.debian.org
I'm not sure this is the proper forum for this thread but it is something I have interest in. I also ran one of the early usenet nodes. One of the shames of usenet is that it was quite useful at one point and then it's signal to noise ratio went so far down it was unusable. Mailing lists such as this one did slowly take over as venues for people to talk about things around a subject but if you were and are always at the subject to the owners of the list. Get "out of line" and you get ejected from the list. Finding somehow the balance such that you can have a completely distributed and open system that never gets spammed and only has high quality content is difficult. I'm not sure it's an insolvable problem but it's not an easy one. I don't know how many people have noticed this but one of the biggest things that seems to go untalked about isn't crypto, it's IDENTITY. Anyone can create a gpg key, but knowing that this person is a real person is more difficult. Knowing that two (or more) different posters are the same individual is even harder. Have any of you noticed many providers now link your id to a mobile number? It's under the auspices of better security, 2 factor authentication. This is true, but it's also the way they attempt to tie you to a real and single person. Sure you can get around that by having multiple numbers but there is a practical limit to that, most people don't. The problem with identity is that there's just so many to choose from. Google has theirs. Facebook has theirs. Github theirs. Almost always tied to your email address (in fact, I can't think of any that are not off the top of my head). Many of these Identites are tied to your mobile number behind the scene. Of course you could have more than one number. What we don't have is an internet standard on identity that is not tied to a single vendor or tied to your email address which might change. Such things are in the works though. I have read about iden3 https://iden3.io/ and DIF https://identity.foundation/. I have seen others as well. If it's not obvious why a decentralized identity is important, without some identity that you own (as opposed to google or facebook being your identity provider), you are not in control with what happens to information about you. You should be able to identify yourself without, say, having to give a site your mobile number, your birth certificate, a scan of a government ID...etc. In my opinion, a decentralized identity is one of the next big things that will happen on the internet. gpg/pgp and getting someone else to sign your key, or getting an x509 client certificate, these are not really idea solutions, but it's what we have today. (x509 is really a format and not an identity, but it's not really used as a global identity today, I am not exactly being fair by this comparison). What does this have to do with the subject of usenet and open forums and even fighting spam? Franky everything. Once you have an identity, people can sign posts with their identity and you can be reasonably assured that they are from a real person. You can be reasonably assured that two different posters are not sock-puppeting one another. You can be assured of the source of the news. When only real people can post, you shouldn't have any bots. IDs that are stolen can be revoked. All of these things go a long way to making the net more usable, more sane, and yes, more free. This sort of identity does not mean you can't be anonymous. Different sites can require different levels of identity. One site may let you post completely anonymously as long as you have an identity proving you are a real person. Another site could go further and require you use your real name and be a real person. So this isn't about being anonymous. Lastly, we have email which is store and forward messaging really one to one messages and we do mailing lists on top. Email is not owned by any company. There have been some attempts over the years to create something like distributed chats (instant messages). But so far, other than usenet, there are very few. IRC is centralized per server. The most recent one I have seen which looks really promising is Matrix. It's completely distributed, not run by a company, similar to email. It's still young though, it looks promising. It is not linked to any sort of real identity. Your matrix id is like an email address but nothing stops you from having multiple matrix IDs. This is probably a very touchy subject. These are my opinions. Your welcome to tell me I'm wrong, feel free to contact me off list. Michael Grant signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: How automatic are backport package updates?
Let's say I want to run 'testing' to be more on the edge to get the latest and greatest of packages and to incrementally always be on top of updates rather than having to do large release updates. But from time to time there is a security update to a package which is newer, or if something specific is broken, I may want to go back to a specific version of something. What should I put in my sources.list? I read all the argments here for running stable vs sid and I kind of like being in the middle. I update my systems every few weeks or more if necessary. I used to run stable+backports but there were things that just took ages to get into backports, or never made it into backports, but installing them from testing would suck in so many dependencies that I would end up running testing or some weird hybrid. I am considering changing things around though and going back to running stable + backports and occasionally pulling something in from testing but I am not sure yet, the dependency nightmare still looms in my mind. Honestly I have been running testing for about 10 years now in production and have had very few problems. As I read about this, it seems like it's not going to be possible to run testing and pull in security fixes. Is it correct that security fixes can only be applied to stable releases? Or are the backports now so well up to date with testing that I shouldn't worry about this and move back to a stable release? Michael Grant signature.asc Description: PGP signature
