Re: Thermal Monitor & automatic shutdown on over temperature event

[David A.]

Hi all, I have similar worries since I run a fanless EPIA. If load
gets to high and I'm not at home, or asleep I want the system to shut
down.
I wrote this small script using sensors to detect and warn high temps.
At  very high temps execute shutdown.

A wall-message and a 30 sek timeout is good if I'm at the desk and can
connect a fan and abort the shutdown. I run the script with nohup.

regards, David.


#!/bin/sh

HIGH=70
SHUTDOWN_TEMP=85
export HIGH
export SHUTDOWN_TEMP

while true
do

  # read temp
  TEMP=`sensors|grep 'CPU Temp'|cut -d+ -f2|cut -d. -f1`

  if [ "$TEMP" -gt "$HIGH" ];
  then
echo "High temp: $TEMP > $HIGH" | wall
sleep 2
  else
if [ "$TEMP" -gt "$SHUTDOWN_TEMP" ];
then
  echo "To hot, shutting down in 30 sek.!" | wall
  sleep 30
  sudo shutdown now
else
  echo temp OK: $TEMP
  sleep 5
fi
  fi

done

On Mar 9, 9:10 am, Bob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi, I'm trying to get my etch MythTV Backend to shutdown automatically
> if either the CPU or the Hard drives overheat.
>
> My motherboard is an ECS K7S5A which has a it87-isa-0290 sensor chip
>
> from sensors-detect
> # Probing for Super-I/O at 0x2e/0x2f
> # Trying family `ITE'...  Yes
> # Found `ITE IT8705F Super IO Sensors'Success!
> # (address 0x290, driver `it87')
> #
> # Probing for Super-I/O at 0x4e/0x4f
> # Trying family `ITE'...  Yes
> # Found `ITE IT8705F Super IO Sensors'Success!
> #(address 0x290, driver `it87')
>
> Sadly with this motherboard it's not possible to read the on die
> thermistor without breaking out the soldering irons and modifying it.
>
> I can't find a way to set the "Overtemperature Shutdown limit" mentioned
> in the it87 
> documentshttp://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au/lxr/source/Documentation/hwmon/it87
> and I've tried setting temp3_over (CPU) to 40 and used burnK7 up to 53
> degreesC (actual is probably +10 ~ 15) and the system doesn't shutdown.
>
> I've seen people recommend using sensord to shutdown on overheat but
> can't see howto, also this wouldn't do anything for the hard drives,
> similarly hddtemp seems to just do reporting with no option to shutdown.
>
> collectd has options to monitor both but no tools that I can see to do
> anything if an error condition arises.
>
> My reading has led me to believe that the kernel can do at least the CPU
> part of this for you, if you've got a better supported sensor chip,
> which I don't, but I can't be alone, so what do others do in this situation?
>
> Thanks, I'm not subscribed at the moment so could you please CC me on
> any replys.
>
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Exim4, GMail TLS error?

[David A.]

Hi all, I've been trying to forward mail from my SID box to my GMail
box.
I've followed http://wiki.debian.org/GmailAndExim4 and actually
successfully managed to get some mails through!

However then I ran into problems, Exim now says: "A TLS packet with
unexpected length was received." when exim tries to send mails to
gmail.
Running unstable.

Any hints?

Regards, David.

Below is some output when running $ sudo exim4 -d -M 1I8Y2t-kk-SF

  SMTP>> AUTH PLAIN 
tls_do_write(bfa043ec, 33)
gnutls_record_send(SSL, bfa043ec, 33)
outbytes=33
waiting for data on socket
Calling gnutls_record_recv(8110de0, bfa023ec, 4096)
read response data: size=20
  SMTP<< 235 2.7.0 Accepted
plain authenticator yielded 0
  SMTP>> MAIL FROM:<> SIZE=41471
tls_do_write(bfa043ec, 25)
gnutls_record_send(SSL, bfa043ec, 25)
outbytes=25
waiting for data on socket
Calling gnutls_record_recv(8110de0, bfa023ec, 4096)
LOG: MAIN
  TLS recv error on connection to gmail-smtp.l.google.com
[64.233.183.109]: A TLS packet with unexpected length was received.
ok=0 send_quit=0 send_rset=1 continue_more=0 yield=1 first_address is
not NULL
tls_close(): shutting down TLS
LOG: MAIN
  Remote host gmail-smtp.l.google.com [64.233.183.109] closed
connection in response to MAIL FROM:<> SIZE=41471
set_process_info: 29300 delivering 1I8Y2t-kk-SF: just tried gmail-
smtp.l.google.com [64.233.183.109] for [EMAIL PROTECTED]: result DEFER
added retry item for T:gmail-smtp.l.google.com:64.233.183.109:587:
errno=-18 more_errno=0,A flags=2


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new drive = new install?

[David A.]

Hi,

I've bought a samsung solid state drive, 8gb, to replace my HD in my
"silent home server".
What is common practice when migrating a system from one drive to
another. Should I reinstall from scratch or partition the new drive
and "copy everything" from the old one?

As I said, small home server/workstation, one-user system, running
unstable.

regards, David.


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(solved) Re: new drive = new install?

[David A.]

> > What is common practice when migrating a system from one drive to
> > another. Should I reinstall from scratch or partition the new drive
> > and "copy everything" from the old one?
>
> Reinstallation is not necessary. There are plenty of HOWTOs available,
> one being .

Thanx! I managed to get the work done.

The article is 7 years old but it lays out the main line.
Something missing in the instructions was that the "-p" flag should be
used in the "cp"-command to preserve rights.
And I use grub, not lilo. But a simple "grub-install", at least on my
debian, did the trick to set up grub on the new disk.

I'm supprised the transfer to a new disk was so painless. I even
stepped up to ext3 on the new drive.

thanx, david.


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Re: Disk access.

[David A.]

> How I can find what processes access harddisk frequently, periodically
> from ~20sec to ~20sec ?

I did go to some extent to spin down my disk, here are som e info;

What file system are you using?
"Journaling filesystems like ext3, reiserfs or xfs bypass the kernel's
delayed write mechanisms. This amounts to lousy spindown times when
working off such a partition. There's no workaround for this."
http://noflushd.sourceforge.net/

Also google "noatime".
Also check out the "-" character in syslog conf.

Finally - i bought a SSD to get complete silence... :)

/david.


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rkhunter, changed files = problems?

[David A.]

Hello,

starting oct. 2nd rkhunter has started to log warings about changed
files.
At first i thought "ok" it's probably because I usualy do a "aptitude
full-upgrade" once every day or so, running SID, i386. But now I'm not
so sure...

Can anyone help me veirfy this as a false positive or a real problem?

It's my home firewall/desktop, nothing fancy, only apache and ssh
open, I'm the only user.

Regards, david.

[10:10:18] /bin/dmesg
[ Warning ]
[10:10:18] Warning: The file properties have changed:
[10:10:18]  File: /bin/dmesg
[10:10:18]  Current inode: 830723Stored inode: 830720
[10:10:18]  Current file modification time: 1191297943
[10:10:18]  Stored file modification time : 1190434387
[10:10:19] /bin/echo [ OK ]
[10:10:20] /bin/ed   [ OK ]
[10:10:21] /bin/egrep
[ Warning ]
[10:10:21] Warning: The file properties have changed:
[10:10:21]  File: /bin/egrep
[10:10:21]  Current hash:
7cd73efc63c459ab8a482babc041c5826f5cecb5
[10:10:21]  Stored hash :
a2b3ad467d144ca1ffdb3bea0df2e118dd530792
[10:10:21]  Current inode: 830756Stored inode: 831002
[10:10:22]  Current size: 92468Stored size: 92276
[10:10:22]  Current file modification time: 1191499712
[10:10:22]  Stored file modification time : 1189060044
[10:10:22] Info: Found file '/bin/egrep': it is whitelisted for the
'script replacement' check.
[10:10:23] /bin/fgrep
[ Warning ]
[10:10:23] Warning: The file properties have changed:
[10:10:23]  File: /bin/fgrep
[10:10:23]  Current hash:
e7dba608e2b07a4c8f58ef845698c5ce71d629d5
[10:10:23]  Stored hash :
2c46a7a7bef4ce1c90e39b1acf6cd33d757c3262
[10:10:24]  Current inode: 830834Stored inode: 831003
[10:10:24]  Current size: 52912Stored size: 51248
[10:10:24]  Current file modification time: 1191499712
[10:10:24]  Stored file modification time : 1189060044
[10:10:24] Info: Found file '/bin/fgrep': it is whitelisted for the
'script replacement' check.
[10:10:25] /bin/grep
[ Warning ]
[10:10:25] Warning: The file properties have changed:
[10:10:25]  File: /bin/grep
[10:10:25]  Current hash:
a0989f2cd518f36254f8c247a4a8c5e250e2f9d8
[10:10:26]  Stored hash :
983854833309906246a0b1e34f1ba04ebb6d0651
[10:10:26]  Current inode: 830755Stored inode: 831001
[10:10:26]  Current size: 100468Stored size: 96372
[10:10:26]  Current file modification time: 1191499712
[10:10:26]  Stored file modification time : 1189060044
[10:10:27] /bin/ip   [ OK ]
[10:10:28] /bin/kill
[ Warning ]
[10:10:28] Warning: The file properties have changed:
[10:10:29]  File: /bin/kill
[10:10:29]  Current inode: 830772Stored inode: 830725
[10:10:29]  Current file modification time: 1191589008
[10:10:29]  Stored file modification time : 1189455008
[10:10:30] /bin/login[ OK ]
[10:10:31] /bin/ls   [ OK ]
[10:10:31] /bin/lsmod[ OK ]
[10:10:32] /bin/mktemp   [ OK ]
[10:10:33] /bin/more
[ Warning ]
[10:10:34] Warning: The file properties have changed:
[10:10:34]  File: /bin/more
[10:10:34]  Current inode: 830724Stored inode: 830721
[10:10:34]  Current file modification time: 1191297943
[10:10:34]  Stored file modification time : 1190434387
[10:10:35] /bin/mount
[ Warning ]
[10:10:35] Warning: The file properties have changed:
[10:10:35]  File: /bin/mount
[10:10:35]  Current hash:
1a878ee3c6d0d320260e472e4f9761e582413a43
[10:10:36]  Stored hash :
d1474694f1390da8dcc3fca5198599cd46d165fc
[10:10:36]  Current inode: 830721Stored inode: 830866
[10:10:36]  Current size: 61264Stored size: 60976
[10:10:36]  Current file modification time: 1191297943
[10:10:36]  Stored file modification time : 1190434387
[10:10:37] /bin/mv   [ OK ]
[10:10:38] /bin/netstat  [ OK ]
[10:10:39] /bin/ps
[ Warning ]
[10:10:39] Warning: The file properties have changed:
[10:10:39]  File: /bin/ps
[10:10:39]  Current inode: 830865Stored inode: 830751
[10:10:39]  Current file modification time: 1191589008
[10:10:40]  Stored file modification time : 1189455008
[10:10:40] /bin/pwd  [ OK ]
[10:10:41] /bin/readlink [ OK ]
[10:10:42] /bin/sed
[ Warning ]
[10:10:42] Warning: The file properties have changed:
[10:10:42]  File: /bin/sed
[10:10:42]  Current hash:
f157d60c55e7d5d90392feb5ab78613a491538f7
[10:10:43]  Stored hash :
4c933909719f1ac21794157d32fa3edf6efe1a02

Re: Is shorewall abandoned in sid?

[David A.]

Jeff Zhang wrote:
> The BTS of shorewall has a little long time between responses to bugs
> report and 3.0.7 is also very lag of official stable version(3.2.4).
> Does anybody maintain it?

I like shorewall. But I too am worried by to big lag. I don't want to
run an out-of-date firewall.
Is there a plan to get up to date with upstream?

regards, David.


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Re: Compiling a kernel

[David A.]

I look here when I compile my own kernel:
http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/

/David.


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Re: Unofficial Firefox packages?

[David A.]

> > If you mean FF 2.0, it is in experimental.
> That's 2.0-beta2, which the add-on I'm trying refuses to install on.

I'm also intrested in FF2 since it is officially released now.
Is there an ETA into Debian?
It would be too bad if political/license stuff prevents
"normal/unstable users" to move to FF2.0.

regards David.


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Re: what's up with all the attitude

[David A.]

> ...Very intelligent
> and helpful.  But what's with all the attitude people flash around
> here.  Have the threads I read end up in some petty bickering.

Well, some people like synaptic or pure apt-get, others worship
aptitude.. it's all about what attitude you have..

Oh - attitude... I read aptitude! :P
I've been a debian-user 1.5 year now and my impression is that the
comunity is big and lot's of competent and experienced people - mostly
friendly too.

BUT.. There is some sour itchy feelings regarding some plicy/political
stuff and diffrences in opinion. I've also felt "debian morale" going
down. But my impression is that the huge bulk, the big momentum of
Debian keeps on turning and monving in the right direction. No "medium
size conflicts" risk jepordizing the big projekt.

/da.


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firefox / Xorg memory usage / swap

[David A.]

Hi,

sometimes when I have many tabs open in firefox (10-15 or so) the
system begins to swap and become virtually unresponsive. If I'm quick I
can kill firefox.

Below is a snapshot from top while swapping. As you can see Xorg is the
heavy Mem-consumer.
My questions;

1) why does Xorg  consume much memory when I surf with many tabs? (I
would have expected the firefox-process to increase more.)

2) How can i prevent this from happening? (switch of swap? warning
before swapping begins?)


Cpu(s):  0.8%us, 12.8%sy,  0.0%ni,  0.0%id, 85.4%wa,  1.0%hi,  0.0%si,
0.0%st
Mem:483252k total,   478364k used, 4888k free,   96k
buffers
Swap:0k total,0k used,0k free, 6568k cached

PID USER  PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEMTIME+  COMMAND
23097 david 17   0 23444 2164  792 D  3.1  0.4   5:54.96 gkrellm
22993 root   6 -10  446m 373m  528 D  2.6 79.1  71:35.06 Xorg
  153 root  10  -5 000 D  2.4  0.0   0:54.74 kswapd0
17554 david 26  10  168m  55m 1516 S  2.4 11.8  12:28.85
firefox-bin
26230 david 16   0  2232  500  240 R  1.0  0.1   0:04.19 top

system; EPIA PD6000e, 2.6.18, SID, 512mb ram, firefox 2 from
mozilla.org (same was happening in "debian-FF" 1.5)

regards, David.


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Re: How to bring HD activity to a minimum

[David A.]

Hello,

since spring I run Debian on a EPIA PD-6000E, a complete fanless
system. Noise is a big issue since it's running in my bedroom.
I use "noflushd -n 5" to spin down hd, noflushd is "aptable".
I also use ext2.

"man syslog.conf" - there are some options here to sinlence syslogd.
"man syslogd" - use "-m 0" switch to get rid of marks in logfile.

"ls -lart /var/log" - check to se other stuff that write logs.

I have not yet managed to make use of syslog in a way that I like. When
I get upset/disturbed I simply "sudo kill" the syslogd
I know this HD-spindown is an issue for lots of people - a FAQ or
something for Debian-silence would be nice.

regards David.


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Re: who is r/w-ing my hdd?

[David A.]

I realy want a quiet PC in my bedroom. My experience is that journaling
file systems generate mor disc activity than ext2 for example.

I run ext2 and noflushd and it works rather OK. Logfiles spin it up say
once every hour. I believe demand for "quiet pc's" is raising, and
minimising disc activity is one factor.

>From http://noflushd.sourceforge.net/ "Journaling filesystems like
ext3, reiserfs or xfs bypass the kernel's delayed write mechanisms.
This amounts to lousy spindown times when working off such a partition.
There's no workaround for this."

regards, David.


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Silence syslog (noflushd & dhclient)

[David A.]

Hello,

this is my first post here. I use Debian unstable on my fanless VIA
EPIA home workstation. Noise is a big deal for me, so I use noflushd to
spin down the HD. However log-messages spin it up, especially dhclient.
I have tried adding "-" chars in /etc/syslog.conf but it keeps spinning
up.

What is a good/proper method to silence at least dhclient messages?
Killing syslogd seems to drastic.



Regards, David.

--- snip /var/log/syslog ---

Aug 18 12:17:01 localhost /USR/SBIN/CRON[29363]: (root) CMD (
run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)
Aug 18 12:38:21 localhost dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to
172.21.249.XXX port 67
Aug 18 12:38:21 localhost dhclient: DHCPACK from 172.21.249.XXX
Aug 18 12:38:21 localhost dhclient: bound to 213.112.227.YYY -- renewal
in 1800 seconds.
Aug 18 13:08:21 localhost dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to
172.21.249.XXX port 67
Aug 18 13:08:21 localhost dhclient: DHCPACK from 172.21.249.XXX
Aug 18 13:08:21 localhost dhclient: bound to 213.112.227.YYY -- renewal
in 1800 seconds.
Aug 18 13:17:01 localhost /USR/SBIN/CRON[29475]: (root) CMD (
run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly)
Aug 18 13:38:21 localhost dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to
172.21.249.XXX port 67
Aug 18 13:38:21 localhost dhclient: DHCPACK from 172.21.249.XXX
Aug 18 13:38:21 localhost dhclient: bound to 213.112.227.YYY -- renewal
in 1800 seconds.
Aug 18 14:08:21 localhost dhclient: DHCPREQUEST on eth0 to
172.21.249.XXX port 67
Aug 18 14:08:21 localhost dhclient: DHCPACK from 172.21.249.XXX
Aug 18 14:08:21 localhost dhclient: bound to 213.112.227.YYY -- renewal
in 1800 seconds.

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kernel 2.6.13.1 make: *** [deb-pkg] Error 2

[David A.]

Hi,

I've downloaded 2.6.13.1 kernel, successfully run "make all".
But when I run "sudo make deb-pgk" i get;

...
 INSTALL net/ipv4/netfilter/iptable_nat.ko
  INSTALL sound/core/snd-rtctimer.ko
if [ -r System.map -a -x /sbin/depmod ]; then /sbin/depmod -ae -F
System.map -b /usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1/debian/tmp -r 2.6.13.1da7; fi
dpkg-deb: building package `linux-2.6.13.1da7' in
`../linux-2.6.13.1da7_2.6.13.1da7_i386.deb'.
dpkg-deb: control directory has bad permissions 2755 (must be >=0755
and <=0775)
make[1]: *** [deb-pkg] Error 2
make: *** [deb-pkg] Error 2
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/linux-2.6.13.1$

Any ideas?

Regards, David.


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updade process, bzflag

[David A.]

Hello,

I'm rather new to debian, I wonder how the package update process
works. I run update && upgrade once a day - works great. Unstable feels
stable enough for me.

Now I've found that bzflag is updated - cool.
I've looked here: http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/bzflag.html

OK - so it is updated in unstable - how come I don't get the updated
version when i run update && upgrade?

Has it something to do with "5 days old (needed 5 days)"

I've also looked here;
http://ftp-master.debian.org/testing/update_excuses.html.gz#bzflag

I dont realy understand what the entries there means.

Regards, David.


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Re: VIA/S3G UniChrome IGP: Can't get better than 800x600

[David A.]

Hi,
I've had some problems too but with the right configure it will work.
I run unstable and xorg.
I use a kernel with via-module/driver enabled - I do not know if this
is a requierment.
Snipps from kernel config;
--
CONFIG_DRM_VIA:

Choose this option if you have a Via unichrome or compatible video
chipset. If M is selected the module will be called via.

Symbol: DRM_VIA [=y]
Prompt: Via unichrome video cards
Defined at drivers/char/drm/Kconfig:92
Depends on: DRM
Location:
 -> Device Drivers
   -> Character devices
 -> Direct Rendering Manager (XFree86 4.1.0 and higher DRI support)
(DRM [=y])
--



Some snipps from my xorg.conf - partly modified.

-
Section "Device"

Identifier  "via"
Driver  "via"

# DAAR 20051012 added
Option   "EnableAGPDMA" "true"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen 1"
Device "via"
Monitor"G400m"
DefaultDepth 24
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 8
Modes"1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 16
Modes"1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
SubSection "Display"
Viewport   0 0
Depth 24
Modes"1280x1024" "1024x768" "800x600" "640x480"
EndSubSection
EndSection

-


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Re: centericq and sarge

[David A.]

I use centericq on unstable.
I know MSN protocol has changed recently. And althogh I am online on
MSN I see no MSN-contacts online - eve thogh I know they are online...
:/


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Re: Upgraded to testing, broke X, can't open /dev/input/mice

[David A.]

This works for me in unstable/xorg, snipps from xorg.conf

Section "InputDevice"

Identifier  "Mouse1"
Driver  "mouse"
Option  "Protocol" "ImPS/2"
Option  "Device" "/dev/input/mice"
#Option  "Emulate3Buttons" "yes"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
EndSection


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Help! FATAL: kernel too old

[David A. Greene]

Hi folks,

I think I have a hosed machine but maybe someone here is smart
enough to recover it.
I dusted off an old 2.0.x machine and decided to upgrade its
Debian install (I believe it was running pre-potato install).
Anyway, the first thing I did was upgrade libc6, libstdc++
and apt to the woody versions because the old apt was
complaining about various things.  I managed to do that
and proceeded to apt-get install aptitude kernel-source-2.4.21
(I have testing in sources.list).
Bad idea.  Something got partially upgraded (libc6?) before
the session crapped out with "FATAL: kernel too old."  Now I
can't even run "ls" or anything else on the machine.  Built-in
shell commands work ok (isn't `echo *' fun?).  I don't dare
reboot.
Any ideas on how to solve this problem?  I'm surprised apt
didn't complain about a dependecy problem.  Searching google
turned up some threads about compiling libc6 with old kernels
so that's what I'm guessing this is a libc6 issue.
I just moved so my e-mail infrastructure is not all there yet
(hence the need for the old box).  Please copy my e-mail address
on any replies as I'm not subscribed to the list.  Thanks for
understanding.
   -Dave

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Re: exim configuration

[David A. Rogers]

On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Sandip P Deshmukh wrote:

> David A. Rogers wrote:
> >Yes your machine could send mail directly.
> >
> how! that was my question. even after reading the nag chapters, i am
> unable to handle this!


I always use a smart host, so I'm not the best one to tell you.  Here's what I
would do in your shoes, though:

1) (The hard way) Read all the exim documentation you can find.  Modify the
exim files by hand.

OR

2) (The easy way) dpkg-reconfigure exim.  Of the five? options choose the one
that best fits your situation.  I.e. _don't_ tell it to use a smart host.

dar


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Re: booting to console

[David A. Rogers]

Try Ctrl-Alt-F2 to get to another console session.  Then apt-get remove xdm -
or try to get it installed correctly.

dar

On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Phil Reardon wrote:

> How can I boot to the console?  I am stuck in a loop at the graphical login
> screen due to a faulty XF86Config file (I think!)
>
> Phil Reardon
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RE: Two Debian 3.0 reviews at Slashdot

[David A. Rogers]

I did a quick check on the xfree86 site.  It doesn't look like the intense3d
is supported.

The one thing you can do to make sure that installing Linux is easy is to make
sure all your hardware is fully supported.

dar


On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Price, Erik wrote:

>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Andrew Perrin [mailto:clists@;perrin.socsci.unc.edu]
> > Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 10:40 AM
> > To: Jamin W.Collins
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Two Debian 3.0 reviews at Slashdot
> >
> >
> > I agree entirely. And I also think that most of the added
> > benefit of linux
> > over windows is not available if you just run some office
> > suite under X
> > instead of under windows.  I use linux exclusively because the time it
> > took me to learn the real tools -- grep, wc, emacs, perl, latex, bash,
> > etc. -- has paid off in spades when it comes to day-to-day
> > efficiency. But
> > that logic is obscured when you just use, say, koffice under
> > X instead of
> > msoffice under windows.
> >
>
> I hear you -- and I agree entirely.  But combining the ease of use of a GUI with the 
>ease of use of power tools like the ones you describe is one of the things that 
>attracts me to Linux most of all, and I still haven't figured out a way to get my 
>Intense3D video card to be recognized correctly by XFree86.  :(  While emacs is cool, 
>I use an IDE to do my development and also need a working X server to test -- I'm 
>confined to working in Windows at the moment, unless I can somehow justify a 
>different video card from the IT dept...
>
>
>
> Erik
>
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Re: exim configuration

[David A. Rogers]

For future reference read the Linux Network Administrator's Guide

http://www.tldp.org/LDP/nag2/index.html

for everything you wanted to know about how Linux/Unix OSs look at email.

For this time though -

Yes your machine could send mail directly.  In that case, you wouldn't need a
smarthost.  But some machines are not connected 24/7.  My home machines get
shut down when they are not in use.  In my case I prefer to use a smarthost to
deliver mail for me.  A smarthost _is_ connected 24/7 and will attempt to
resend mails if it can't connect the first time.

Does that help?

dar


On Mon, 21 Oct 2002, Sandip P Deshmukh wrote:

> well, here is what i discovered wrt questions shyamal had asked.
>
> i am yet to understand the term smtp smart host.
>
> the way i look at it is, i am connected to the net. i have dns servers
> resolving hostnames for me. do i still need something else *on some
> other machine* to send mails?
>
> anyway, here are answers:
>
> so far as smarthost is concerned, i do not know yet! but frankly, i
> think a machine with the net access and dns access should be in a
> position to send e-mails independent of other machines (read -
> smarthost). of course, correct me if i am wrong
>
> yes. i can do dns lookup from my machine. dig throws back some numbers -
> but doesnt report an error. dig -t A returned some nice looking data. so
> dns lookup seems not to be a problem. by the way, do not all machines
> who have a dns server entry have dns lookup ability?
>
> so, some solution on this?
>
> thanx again
>
> -sandip
>
>
>
>


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[Fwd: Returned mail: Insufficient permission: Error 0]

[David A. Bandel]

I believe the original post came from debian-user.  Not sure wha'
'appened at Chris' end.

David A. Bandel
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The original message was received at Mon, 25 May 1998 01:58:54 +1000
from gateway.ormond.unimelb.edu.au [203.17.189.194]

   - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
"|IFS=' ';exec /usr/bin/procmail #chris"
(expanded from: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)

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550 "|IFS=' ';exec /usr/bin/procmail #chris"... Insufficient permission: Error 0
Reporting-MTA: dns; seldon.ormond.unimelb.edu.au
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Chris,

The System.map file should be put in / or in /boot with a symlink from /.

You don't really need the System.map except for debugging purposes, although at
least one program (lsof) makes use of the System.map.  But in general, it's not
needed.

Ciao,

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Re: X-Windows and PPPD

[David A. Bandel]

Corey Popelier wrote:
> 
> Since I installed X , I can't get PPPD to work :-(
> 
> Starting X kills my net connection, and trying to dial with/after
> loading X results in the modem not even dialing the phone number (1
> light comes on, but the process freezes there).
> 
> Now my mouse runs of ttyS0 , and the modem off ttyS3 , and I can only
> think that there is some sort of conflict between these to devices.
> 
> Whats the best way to hunt down/resolve this problem?
> 
> *Insert begging here* :-)
> 
>  Cheers,
> 
>Corey Popelier
>Technical Support Officer
>Q-Net Australia.
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Corey,

While it appears from your post everything is correct, please confirm
that the modem and mouse are using different IRQs.  ttyS0/ttyS2 and
ttyS1/ttyS3 share IRQs.  Since you only have this problem with X (which
activates the mouse) you probably have IRQ contention somewhere.

Try installing GPM so you can use the mouse in a virtual terminal.  If
the problem reproduces itself there as well, you will have confirmed the
IRQ contention.

Hope that helps,

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Re: XDM autostart question

[David A. Bandel]

Bonard B. Timmons III wrote:
> 
> Doug Thistlethwaite <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Thanks for the tip.  My /etc/X11/config files ihas the following two
> > lines in it...
> >
> > xdm-start-server
> > start-xdm
> >
> > My guess is that the problem is in a system init file somewhere.  Any
> > idea what file calls the xdm stuff at boot time?
> >
> As root, try this:
> 
> /etc/init.d/xdm start
> 
> The /etc/init.d/xdm can be checked for any irregularities or hints.
> 
> Bake
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I had the same trouble some time back.  Take a look at /etc/init.d/xdm.
Mine was 0 bytes and xdm.dpkg-new hadn't properly replaced it.

 
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Two Questions

[David A. Lee]

Does Debian 2.0 come with Netscape on the CD's, or do I have to download
it?

When do you expect Debian 2.1 to be released officially?  And Debian
2.2?

Thanks for your help.

Dave Lee
 
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gcc-3.2: what happened to libgcc1, libg2c0, binutils

[David A. Cobb]

After five months of struggling ( I had connectivity very briefly before 
an "upgrade" make my whole installation useless and sent me back to the 
CD's ), it appears that I need to be able to build the nVidia 
kernel-patch with _the_same_version_  of gcc that was used to compile my 
kernel.  I'm using kernel-image-2.4.26, and the nVidia installer reports 
this was built with
gcc-3.2.

OK, I go to install gcc-3.2.  Including the Fortran, which I probably 
don't really need, I get these complaints from dpkg:
"gcc-3.2 depends on libgcc1 (>= 1:3.2.3-9)"
"gcc-3.2 depends on binutils (>= 2.13.90.0.10)"
"g77-3.2 depends on libg2c0;"
"lib.depends on libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.2.3-9)"

Argh, those are not with gcc-3.2.  In fact, when I check the download 
site (tonight) I find
libgcc1_3.0.4-7_i386.deb from gcc-3.0
libgcc1_3.3.4-13_hppa.deb -- and NO i386 package from gcc-3.3
libgcc1_3.3.5-2_hppa.deb-- and NO i386 package from gcc-3.3
libgcc1_3.4.2-2_i386.deb from gcc-3.4
libgcc1_4.0-0pre0_i386.deb from gcc-4.0
libg2c0_3.3.4-13_i386.deb from gcc-3.3
libg2c0_3.3.5-2_i386.deb   from gcc-3.3
binutils_2.12.90.0.1-4_i386.deb - which I already have and is too low
binutils_2.15-4_i386.deb

It seems I am stuck dead in the water unless I can come up with a 
working gcc-3.2
compiler to do the nVidia install. 

The alternative looks like trying to recompile my kernel with I compiler 
I can get.

I actually tried that with gcc-3.4 but got errored out immediately.  
That is hardly my first choice, so I didn't pursue that further. 

I have gcc-2.95 and gcc-3.0.  I had gcc-3.2 but had to remove it because 
I couldn't get 3.3 or 3.4 to coexist.  I don't really want to give away 
space to five or six different generations of compiler.  One, maybe two, 
but not this fiasco. 

Where can I go to get the missing libs??  [ backports is also no help in 
this ].

Anyway, why is gcc-3.2 on the download site so incomplete?
I also couldn't get 3.3 up and flying for very similar reasons - key 
libs missing - but what I need is 3.2!

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Re: gcc-3.2: what happened to libgcc1, libg2c0, binutils

[David A. Cobb]

Rui Silva wrote:
why not do apt-get install --reinstall gcc3.2
it would download all the dependecies
 

First reason: this damn nVidia box won't give me internet connectivity 
from Linux until I can apply the patches.
Second reason: if it isn't on the download site, it isn't gonna be 
downloaded anyway. 

My only connection, until I can get past this problem, is to download 
.deb files using Windoze,
boot into Debian, locate the file and do dpkg --install ... . Then I 
find out what's missing and I have to boot back to Win to locate pieces 
to fix it.  Serious PITA.  If Windows weren't such a piece of crap I 
would have about run out of patience and chucked the Linux install 
altogether. 

On Tuesday 23 November 2004 00:19, David A. Cobb wrote:
 

After five months of struggling ( I had connectivity very briefly before
an "upgrade" make my whole installation useless and sent me back to the
CD's ), it appears that I need to be able to build the nVidia
kernel-patch with _the_same_version_  of gcc that was used to compile my
kernel.  I'm using kernel-image-2.4.26, and the nVidia installer reports
this was built with
gcc-3.2.
OK, I go to install gcc-3.2.  Including the Fortran, which I probably
don't really need, I get these complaints from dpkg:
"gcc-3.2 depends on libgcc1 (>= 1:3.2.3-9)"
"gcc-3.2 depends on binutils (>= 2.13.90.0.10)"
"g77-3.2 depends on libg2c0;"
"lib.depends on libstdc++5 (>= 1:3.2.3-9)"
Argh, those are not with gcc-3.2.  In fact, when I check the download
site (tonight) I find
libgcc1_3.0.4-7_i386.deb from gcc-3.0
libgcc1_3.3.4-13_hppa.deb -- and NO i386 package from gcc-3.3
libgcc1_3.3.5-2_hppa.deb-- and NO i386 package from gcc-3.3
libgcc1_3.4.2-2_i386.deb from gcc-3.4
libgcc1_4.0-0pre0_i386.deb from gcc-4.0
libg2c0_3.3.4-13_i386.deb from gcc-3.3
libg2c0_3.3.5-2_i386.deb   from gcc-3.3
binutils_2.12.90.0.1-4_i386.deb - which I already have and is too low
binutils_2.15-4_i386.deb
It seems I am stuck dead in the water unless I can come up with a
working gcc-3.2
compiler to do the nVidia install.
The alternative looks like trying to recompile my kernel with I compiler
I can get.
I actually tried that with gcc-3.4 but got errored out immediately.
That is hardly my first choice, so I didn't pursue that further.
I have gcc-2.95 and gcc-3.0.  I had gcc-3.2 but had to remove it because
I couldn't get 3.3 or 3.4 to coexist.  I don't really want to give away
space to five or six different generations of compiler.  One, maybe two,
but not this fiasco.
Where can I go to get the missing libs??  [ backports is also no help in
this ].
Anyway, why is gcc-3.2 on the download site so incomplete?
I also couldn't get 3.3 up and flying for very similar reasons - key
libs missing - but what I need is 3.2!
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Re: gcc-3.2: what happened to libgcc1, libg2c0, binutils

[David A. Cobb]

Alexander Sack wrote:
David A. Cobb wrote:
On Tuesday 23 November 2004 00:19, David A. Cobb wrote:
 

After five months of struggling ( I had connectivity very briefly 
before
an "upgrade" make my whole installation useless and sent me back to 
the
CD's ), it appears that I need to be able to build the nVidia
kernel-patch with _the_same_version_  of gcc that was used to 
compile my
kernel.  I'm using kernel-image-2.4.26, and the nVidia installer 
reports
this was built with

gcc-3.2.

You surely refer to the official nvidia driver. Why not just try to 
install the precompiled nvidia module provided in non-free. I am 
runing that driver without any problems so far. 
I hope you mean the NFORCE one - my problem is getting onto the 'net; 
graphic fanciness is way down on my list.   Last time I did that it 
didn't work, but it is worth trying again.

Another option IMHO would be simply to build your kernel with a new gcc.
Urm.  Yes, in fact I was trying that without much success.  It still 
leaves me with the question of just WHAT 'gcc' I can put up that doesn't 
have a piece missing. 

Can't someone point out what is broken that critical module(s) are 
unavailable from at least two "current" compiler package-sets?

And, OBTW, Alexander, please -- what version of the kernel are you running?
Thanks,
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Re: How to move debian from one drive to another and keep it working?

[David A. Patterson]

, but the installer didn't recognize the card, so I was forced to install 
Debian to the old drive.  Then, the installer installed a kernel that _did_ 
recognize the PCI controller, so now that Debian is installed to the wrong 
place I am able to partition and use the drive where I wanted Debian to be in 
the first place!

> 
> 
> 
> 

There's a package out there called Mondo that may help you automate
things a bit...
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[David A. Patterson]

Oh.  They're posted. At least to the archive on line.  I just don't
get them back.
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Posting to the list ver 3

[David A. Patterson]

I'm not seeing the response come back from the list of my own mail to
it, but I don't know if anybody else can see it either.  Check of the
list online at lists.debian.org shows that it's hitting the archive.
Will somebody please respond so I know this thing is working?
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Available printers

[David A. Cobb]

Debian kernel-2.4.29-f3, mostly sarge, some sid. 
Gnome Desktop 2.8.3

Cups: 1.0.23-10
mozilla-firefox browser, 2 versions, debian 1.0.2 for everybody but myself
Epson Color Stylus CX5400 printer

When I print from my own desktop, the choices of printer offered by the 
browser's print dialog are:

* CUPS/scx5300_5400
* Default Postscript

And things seem to print correctly

When my wife tries to print from her desktop, the choices of printer are
* scx5400_5400@:64
* xp_ps_spooldir_HOME_xprint ... @:64
* xp_pdf_spooldir_HOME_xprint ...@:64
* Postscript/scx5300_5400
And everything she tries to print comes out with very large fonts and 
only about half on the page, as though the dots-per-inch setting is way off.


My SWAG is that the application is picking up the wrong default printer 
information.  But I have no idea where the printer info comes from.


It's worth noting that everything was working fine until one of my 
frequent aptitude--upgrade runs included the cupsys packages. 

Meanwhile, this has convinced my wife that I only installed Linux to 
annoy her.


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Re: color ls

[David A. Morris]

I have the same problem. I to have upgraded some packages, but I can't
remember which ones. I will try to look at my list and try to remember
which ones I did just before I noticed it. 

Mark Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Hi,

>Something has happened to stop ls giving color output.  I used to be
>able to just run:

>eval `dircolors`

>and ls would work in color - even without specifying the "--color"
>option.  (And no, ls was not aliased)

>Now it seems I need to type "ls --color" to get color?

>What is the problem?  I've changed a number of things of late - moved
>from tcsh to bash (but same thing happens in both shells), and
>upgraded a number of packages.  So I don't know what has caused the
>change.  Any ideas anyone?

>Mark Phillips.  ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Does debian install sendmail?

[David A. Rogers]

What mail sending app does debian use by default?  I've been using redhat and
mandrake, but am thinking about changing over to debian.

I use Linux on my home machine.  I use ppp to connect to my isp, so I like to
masquerade my address as my address on the isp.  redhat uses sendmail by
default.  That's ok because they have an m4 script that is easy to modify to
get masquerading.  How does one go about doing the same thing in debian?

Thanks.
dar

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Partition question

[David A. Rogers]

I've been using Mandrake, but want to try using Debian.  Mandrake puts the
kernel in /boot.  So it was nice to make /boot one partition and / in another.
I tried installing 2.2 but couldn't figure out how to make the installer do
that.  Any suggestions?

dar
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Problems installing X

[David A. Rogers]

I had problems installing X, and as I am new to Debian - though not Linux,
I'd like to know if it was something I did or whether the Debian setup is
not right.

I previously installed 2.2 from a 2 CD set.  Then I ran XF86Setup.  When I
chose the Diamond V770 (TNT2) from the hardware list, it told me I needed
to get the svga driver.  So, using apt-cache -search I found the
xserver-svga deb.  I then ran apt-get -install xserver-svga.

This time XF86Setup went to completion and I thought I had a winner.
Unfortunately, when it tried to connect to the server I got multiple errors of
this sort: X11TransSocketUNIXConnet.  My guess was that the server had not
really been installed or the setup was pointing to the wrong server.

I tried to get apt-get to tell me what it had installed when I ran apt-get
-install xserver-svga, but I couldn't figure out how to do that from the man
pages.

I finally got things working by running xf86Config (which told me it was
changing something in /etc/X11/xserver (I think thats the right file).  Is
that file a Debian thing?  I seem to recall that Redhat and Mandrake used a
soft link for something similar.

After that X would run but I found X keyboard errors when exiting X.  Running
XF86Setup again and making sure the keyboard stuff was modified fixed that
problem also.

So now I have a working X situation, but I want to know:  Should apt-get or
XF86Setup have modified that /etc/whatever file?  Was I supposed to know to
change it?  If so, where is that documented?


Thanks.  You all have already been a wonderful resource.

dar

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Re: (1) xdvi (2) ATI Rage Fury Pro 128 & Xfree86-v4.0.1

[David A. Rogers]

On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, stefan goeman wrote:

Well, don't be shy.  Share the answer please.

dar

> Hello,
> 
> Ignore my previous message. I think I have found it
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Stefan
> 
> 
> On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 01:46:05PM +, stefan goeman wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Interesting. I will try this at home. (Here at work I don't have this 
> > problem)
> > 
> > One small question. In which file should I have specified this expert mode?
> > 
> > 
> > Greetings,
> > 
> > Stefan.
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 12:39:08PM +0200, Daniel Reuter wrote:
> > > Hello Stefan,
> > > 
> > > Seems to me more like a xdvi configuration problem. Are you sure, that you
> > > havn't specified the expert option either in your X-resources or on the
> > > command line? Because that would make the buttons go away.
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > Daniel
> > > 
> > > On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, stefan goeman wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Hello,
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I have an ATI Rage Fury Pro 128 graphics card. It seems that it is 
> > > > almost impossible to get this working with XFree86-v3.3.6, therefore I 
> > > > installed XFree86-v.4.0.1. Now my X environement seems to work well. By 
> > > > the way, more info about installing X with ATI card can be found at
> > > > http://www4.ncsu.edu/~distclai/rage128-howto.html
> > > > 
> > > > I had one small problem. When I rebooted, the PC hang when initializing 
> > > > XFS. So far I have not found the reasom why and I just had to remove 
> > > > S30xfs from /etc/rc2.d and /etc/rc3.d disabeling XFS. 
> > > > 
> > > > I had the impression that everything worked well until I started xdvi. 
> > > > The buttons (like Quit, Abort, Again, ...) are not present. I have no 
> > > > idea why and what I can do about this.
> > > > 
> > > > Anybody any ideas??
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > P.S.: I already posted this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, sorry for 
> > > > cross-posting this message.
> > > > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > 
> > * SIEMENS ATEA NV  *
> > *  *
> > *  ICN D NC A: *
> > *Ir. Stefan Goeman *
> > *Tel: +32 14 253020*
> > *e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *
> > *  *
> > *  P.S.: Linux is great!!  *
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Unsubscribe?  mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null
> 
> 

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  -- Hogwarts School Motto

Re: abiword - new version?

[David A. Rogers]

Check www.abisource.com.  That's home for abiword.  Looks like the latest
version is 0.7.11.

dar


On Tue, 10 Oct 2000, Lindsay Allen wrote:

> 
> I'm sure I read about 4-6 weeks ago that a new version of abiword was
> being released.  But I can't find it.  Anyone know the story?
> 
> Running 0.7.10-helix1 here.
> 
> 
> Lindsay
> 

-- 
Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain. -- Schiller

Re: Xvidtune

[David A. Rogers]

By default, the current directory is NOT one of the places that the system
will look for an executable.  Try giving it a complete pathname
/something/somthing/Xvidtune.  Or cd to the directory and enter ./Xvidtune.

That specifies that the executable is in the current directory.

cheers,
dar

On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Cavaiani, Don wrote:

> Someone told me yesterday that I have "lousy modelines" and that I should
> run Xvidtune.  My problem is that I navigated through many directories to
> get to that, but then it doesn't execute when I type in that name?  Says
> "command not found".
> 
> 
> 
> 

-- 
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Re: suggestions for buying a printer

[David A. Rogers]

Lots of useful information at www.linuxprinting.org.

dar


On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, Alfredo Solano Martinez wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> I want to buy a laser printer, and I have no idea of this field, maybe
> somenone can help.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> 

-- 
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Re: Mutt's Editor

[David A. Rogers]

On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Jeff Howie wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 01:15:45PM +1100, Damon Muller wrote:
> > Quoth Nate Bargmann, 
> > > In ~./mutt/muttrc check this line:
> > > set editor=/usr/bin/vim
> > 
> > You may also want to include the contents of
> > /usr/share/doc/vim/examples/mail in your ?/.vimrc - it does cool things
> > like colour signatures and quoted mail (different colours for different
> > levels of quotes), and also lets you use the `qv' command to re-wrap
> > quoted lines (very handy for replying to those inconsiderate people who
> > don't know how to wrap their messages at 72 lines!).
> 
> (...pouting...)
> How come _I_ don't have that file? What, are you special or something?
> ;^>
> What version of vim are you using? Mine's 5.5.

Make sure you have installed both the vim _and_ the vimrt (or was that
vim-rt?) debs.  I would have thought that the maintainer would make vim
dependent on vim-rt, but that's not the way it is.

-- 
Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain. -- Schiller

Re: need quick pointer for sound config

[David A. Rogers]

Does compiling the driver into the kernel work?  I thought all the Crystal
sound chips were PlugNPlay.

dar

On Sat, 14 Oct 2000, Jonathan D. Proulx wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I don't know what it is, but I've never goten these cards to work on
> Debian when built as modules (even when they worked with the same
> module and setting in a different distro, this is particularly weird
> because I rebuilt the kernel sever times under each distro with the
> same results).
> 
> So, compiling the driver into the kernel is my recommendation.  Here's
> the /dev/sndstat on a Debian box with working sound (not An OptiPlex)
> and CS4232 on boardcard:
> 
> Installed drivers:
> Type 21: CS4232
> Type 22: CS4232 MIDI
> Type 26: MPU-401 (UART)
> 
> Card config:
> CS4232 MIDI at 0x330 irq 9 drq 0
> CS4232 at 0x530 irq 7 drq 0,3
> 
> Audio devices:
> 0: Crystal audio controller (CS4236) (DUPLEX)
> 
> Synth devices:
> 
> Midi devices:
> 0: MPU-401 (UART) MIDI
> 
> Timers:
> 0: System clock
> 1: Crystal audio controller (CS4236)
> 
> Mixers:
> 0: Crystal audio controller (CS4236)
> 
> 
> DMA stuff:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] jon]$ cat /proc/dma
>  0: Crystal audio controller
>  3: Crystal audio controller
> 
> 
> HTH,
> Jon
> 
> 
> 

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What documentation and what order

[David A. Rogers]

I've used Unix and other Linuxes for some time now, but I am just starting to
use Debian.  What documents should I read and in which order to get up do
speed on how Debian does things?  Would it be better to read a book?  If so,
which one?

I particular, I am interested in:
- Setting up X.
- Setting up mail (end user not server) i.e. I have an ISP that stores my mail
  and forwards it.
- Recompiling the kernel
- Setting up sound (either OSS or ALSA)
- Debian tips and tricks - I found out about alternatives on this list.  Cool
  idea.
- Debian uses a lot of indirection.  Ex. The contents of /etc/modules/ALSA
  gets plunked into modules.conf after update-modules is run.  Where is stuff
  like this documented?


Some things I've run into already.

Both the alsa source and kernel source were installed as packed files.  Why
didn't apt-get unpack them for me?

I finally figured out where the were.  How was I supposed to know where
apt-get put them?

Under Mandrake, the standard module drivers for the Crystal sound cards have a
really annoying click every time a sound is played.  Is this true for Debian?

I've been trying to get ALSA set up.  From searching the web, it looked like
pervious kernels had matching alsa-modules-(kernel version number) packages.
alsa-cache search doesn't find one for 2.2.17 (potato).  It looks like I've
got to build them.  Why the change?

Thanks,
dar

-- 
"Emacs wouldn't be such a bad operating system,
if only it had a decent editor" - anonymous

Re: What documentation and what order

[David A. Rogers]

On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Snowfox wrote:

> 
> David -
> 
> You're asking a million questions at once. Your best answer is to dig
> in and start doing things.

This sort of disconnected learning is only useful and fun if you are young and
have no other obligations.  Once you have a wife, kids, and a yard to mow this
becomes a less viable option.

This is a problem I have with Linux in general - not just Debian.  To quote a
friend of mine (who I think was quoting someone else): "Linux is only free if
you set the value of your time at zero."

I don't mind R'ingTFM.  I just want to know where to find the manual.  Most
linux books waste half the pages or more documenting vi and bash once again.
When what users (at least desktop users) really want is answers to the kind of
questions I asked earlier.

What Debian needs is a walkthrough for level 2 of the Debian game (so to
speak).  The install process, I found to be fairly well defined.  It's what to
do after that is so fuzzy.

So far I think this list should go like this:
- Read a _good_ book on _using Linux/Unix_ (this should cover things like vi,
  shells etc.)
- Read the Installation manual in the release notes
- Read the Debian GNU/Linux FAQ (It's a bloody shame this doesn't come in text
  form so that it can be easily printed out).
- Read the "Reference" section in the Debian Guide.  (The rest is a rehash of
  the Installation manual and an incomplete introduction to Unix.)

I'd like to fill in the rest for Debian, I guess I'll have to blaze the trail.

Please don't take this as a rant on you.  This sort of answer is common among
the Linux community.

> Your best place to start would be in /usr/share/doc where you'll find
> the Debian-specific documentation, as well as documentation for most
> of your isntalled software.

Excellent suggestion.  I will look in there.

> 
> The reason much of the documentation is compressed is that it can be
> viewed that way, and they take up far less space. Use 'zgrep' to
> search through files and 'zless' or 'zmore' to view them.
> 
> Look at the man pages for apt-get and dpkg for more information on how
> to find where files are placed, and to better understand the packaging
> system.
> 
> Presumably the reason for the kernel not being unpacked straight away
> is that it's huge, and uses non-standard compression. (bzip2) Further,
> people often fetch kernel source to build for other machines; without
> knowing more about your intent, it would be difficult to prevent
> something getting replaced which shouldn't have been.
> 
> Take it one step at a time. Spend some time on a problem before asking
> for help and you'll find that you get really good at finding answers
> yourself. Debian is put together very consistently, and it'll all be
> second nature before you know it.
> 

Thanks for this information.

dar

where is old (3.2) Xfree86?

[David A. Rogers]

I have just inherited an old Thinkpad 365xd which I think has a DSTN
display.  From searching the net, it looks like only xfree86 3.2 works
with that display.  Does anyone know where I can find a .deb of 3.2?

Thanks,
dar

-- 
Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain. -- Schiller

Re: where is old (3.2) Xfree86?

[David A. Rogers]

Jim,

The TP 365xd had two different display types.  If you got the TFT, you can use
the latest xfree builds.  If you have the DSTN, nothing after 3.2 works.  At
least this is what I've read on a couple of Thinkpad web sites.  I tried using
3.3.6 from Potato and no dice.

dar

On Mon, 23 Oct 2000, Jim Crumley wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 23, 2000 at 09:08:07PM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 14:01:49 -0500 (Central Daylight Time)
> > From: "David A. Rogers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: where is old (3.2) Xfree86?
> > To: Debian User List 
> > 
> > I have just inherited an old Thinkpad 365xd which I think has a DSTN
> > display.  From searching the net, it looks like only xfree86 3.2 works
> > with that display.  Does anyone know where I can find a .deb of 3.2?
> 
> Where did you get the impression that XFree 3.3 wouldn't work
> on a Thinkpad 365xd?  It works fine on my (also recently
> inherited) Thinkpad 365x (only difference is I don't have
> a CD-ROM drive) using a stock potato install, which is XFree
> 3.3.6, I think.  Anyway,  I can send you the config file
> if you want - its just a slightly hacked up version of one 
> that I found on the net somewhere.  
> 
> 

-- 
Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain. -- Schiller

Re: Mouse not working in X -- still

[David A. Rogers]

It is either a PS/2 mouse or a bus mouse.  It can't be both.  Unless it's a
raly old mouse it is not a bus mouse.  You probably have a PS/2 mouse.

Look at the connector.  Is it round or oval.  How many pins on it.

Look at the bottom of the mouse.  What does it say (manufacturer, model)?  How
many buttons?  Is there a roller wheel?  Do you have GPM installed.

These things will help us help you.

dar


On Tue, 24 Oct 2000, Bob Edwards wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> My mouse is not working in X. I've made a lot of silly mistakes along
> the way that have made things a lot more difficult than necessary. But I
> persist . . .
> 
> Pertinent information:
> 
> PS/2 Mouse
> Bus mouse
> Potato version: 2.2.17
> X version: 3.3.6
> 
> If I'm understanding the HOW-TOS correctly, 2.2.17 does not support a
> busmouse.
> Is that correct.
> 
> Please be patient with a newbie, and help if your own busy schedules
> permit.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Bob Edwards
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Fayetteville, Arkansas
> 
> 
> 

-- 
Against stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain. -- Schiller

Re: Where and how to save Alias at?

[David A. Rogers]

On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I tried to set up an alias for shutdown -h now and worked fine.  When I 
> rebooted it  was gone.  Is this a one time thing each session or can I save 
> my alaises to a file for all sessions?

You add aliases to the .bashrc file in your home directory.  There should be
some in there already, just use them for a pattern.

On another topic, Debian ships with a command like that already.  Try the
command "halt".  Does just what you want.

dar

-- 
Hindsight is the ultimate design aid. -- Phil Dodderidge

KDE2 for potato availability

[David A. Rogers]

I keep seeing messages pointing people to kde.tdyc.com.  When I first
read
the announcement of KDE2 availability here http://dot.kde.org/972331966/ it
had ftp sites for both potato and woody debs for kde.

Potato: http://ftp.kde.org/stable/2.0/distribution/deb/Debian/dists/potato/
Woody: http://ftp.kde.org/stable/2.0/distribution/deb/Debian/dists/woody/

Has anyone looked at these?  Are they better, worse, than the tdyc setup?

dar

-- 
Save the whales. Feed the children. Free the mallocs. 

Windowmaker and sound

[David A. Rogers]

Does the current version of WindowMaker do sound events?  I know earlier
versions did with wmsound.  But that was many versions ago and wmsound seems
to be dead.  If it does sound now, how do you set it up?

Thanks,
dar

Re: WARNING - Virus infected messages on list

[David A. Rogers]

On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, Peter Hugosson-Miller wrote:

> I would be OK with blocking MS Outhouse, but not Windoze
> mail clients in general. Some of us have to use that 'OS'
> at work, and those of us with any sense use Netscape or
> Eudora (Eudora doesn't work on NT4.0, so it's Netscape in
> my case).

Pine works very well on NT.  Take a look it's worthwhile.

dar

Re: Does the stock kernel support VESA Framebuffers?

[David A. Rogers]

On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Joe Emenaker wrote:

> I'm trying to run X on my Dell Inspiron 3700 with Debian. I've got X
> running, but it hangs when I try to do a suspend. All of the howto's I've
> read say that, in order for suspend to work, I need to be using the FBdev
> xserver... which requires that I start with framebuffers turned on with the
> "vga=791" command at boot time.
>
> However, whenever I try this, I don't get the neat penguin logo that
> everyone says I'm supposed to get. I get this psychotic lava-lamp looking
> things that acts as if I'm turning the brightness on my laptop up too high.
> People have suggested that the kernel doesn't have VESA framebuffer support
> compiled in. Does anyone know if this is so?

Joe,

The .config file used to build the stock kernel can be found in
/root/config-2.2.17 (for potato).  Look in that to see if VESA support was
included.

BTW, you should make sure your text is wrapped to less than 80 characters in
your email.

dar

Re: Soundblaster AWE 64: potato package update wrecked sound

[David A. Rogers]

On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Berthold Cogel wrote:

> Hello!
>
> I had a working sound configuration until last weekend with Debian 2.2,
> Kernel 2.2.17 and Soundblaster AWE 64 Gold.
> Then I decided to update my system from potato-stable (about 32
> packages/25 MB). Since the next reboot the module sb wants to use IRQ7
> and sound isn't working anymore.
> This happened before after I updated my system from Debian 2.1 to Debian
> 2.2. I did a lot of things like disabling the BIOS support for PNP
> Operating Systems, building a kernel without sound, disabling isapnp,
> deleting modules.conf. Just like a blind chicken looking for food :-(.
> Somehow I managed to revive the sound.
>
> This time I updated only some packages. I didn't change the sound
> configuration!

Did you modify the modules.conf directly or did you use the
/etc/modutils/sound file?  You should always put sound related modules.conf
stuff into /etc/modutils/sound and run update-modules.

dar

Connection speed

[David A. Rogers]

After pon does its thing, is there a way to see how fast my connection is?

dar

Re: no modules after kernel recompile

[David A. Rogers]

Ah! What you have there is a gotcha in the current Debian kernel-building
documentation.  Most dists put a .config in the linux directory that reflects
the options used to build the distributed kernel.  Debian doesn't.  However,
you can get it from /boot/config-2.2.17 (if you are running Potato).  Copy
that file to /usr/src/linux/.config before running make menuconfig or make
xconfig.

In your situation, I think the make-kpkg routine puts the new config in the
/boot dir.  The old one will be available as /boot/config-2.2.17.bak.

Cheers,
dar

On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Denzil Kelly wrote:

> After installing a cdrw drive. I recompiled my kernel
> for scsi emulation. The result was my smc 1211 network
> card isn't recognized, and I can't get the module to
> install with insmod.
>
> __
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> http://shopping.yahoo.com/
>
>
>

Re: no modules after kernel recompile

[David A. Rogers]

make-kpkg is the debian way to build the kernel.  It is very nice.  You'll
need to apt-get the kernel-package.

The signal issues are more serious.  The gnu compiler uses lots of memory when
compiling the kernel and/or the modules and really gives it a good workout.
The common perception is that if you get signal 11s when compiling the kernel,
you probably have a memory problem.  Make sure your memory is well seated in
the motherboard, then run one of the memory checking programs.  Sorry, I don't
remember their names.  An internet search should turn them up.

Cheers,
dar

On Sat, 9 Dec 2000, Denzil Kelly wrote:

> > Ah! What you have there is a gotcha in the current
> > Debian kernel-building
> > documentation.  Most dists put a .config in the
> > linux directory that reflects
> > the options used to build the distributed kernel.
> > Debian doesn't.  However,
> > you can get it from /boot/config-2.2.17 (if you are
> > running Potato).  Copy
> > that file to /usr/src/linux/.config before running
> > make menuconfig or make
> > xconfig.
>
> Thanx, this worked. My NIC was recognized and
> everything works fine.  However I did have another
> question. When I was compiling the kernel, I proceeded
> as follows:
> make xconfig
> make dep
> make clean
> make bzImage
> make modules
> make modules_install
>
> make bzImage quit several times before completing. It
> would quit in various places, and report an
> error(signal 4 or siganal 11 if I remember correctly).
> The exact same thing happened with make modules. I was
> wondering if you might be able to shed any light on
> this. Also is the above procedure the best way to
> compile a kernel in debian? I noticed that you made
> reference to make-kpkg which wasn't familiar with.
>
>
>
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>
>

New documentation for Debian available

[David A. Rogers]

I am in the process of writing some documentation for Debian.  It is
oriented toward end-user desktop systems instead of servers.  Eventually,
it will give enough information to allow the end-user to set up a ocmplete
home system including sound, printer, cd-burner etc.

It is also oriented toward education rather than magic incantation.  To
emphasize this orientation, I have called the document "Debian University".
The document contains a number of courses that will enhance your knowledge of
how Linux works and how Debian is set up.  If you are the sort that says "Just
tell me how to get my wonderblaster 2000 working.", then you probably won't
care for "Debian University".

This is still very much a document in the making.  Many of the courses I
intend to write are still in the future.  However, some courses are currently
complete, so I am making it available now.  I will be adding to "Debian
University" as I have time.

Please let me know if you find anything in the document confusing or less than
explanatory.

Debian University is available at:

http://www.xnet.com/~darogers/debian_university.txt

Cheers,
dar

Re: New documentation for Debian available

[David A. Rogers]

No offense taken.  This is the first documentation I've written and the
copyright was an afterthought.  My only concern is in keeping the integrity of
the document.  You know how documents like to become promiscuous.  Can you
point me to something on the Open Publication License?

dar

On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Ray Percival wrote:

> Not a very free license. Have you thought about using something like the
> Open Publication License with perhaps one of the optional clauses? I would
> contribute to something like that as it is I can't really see myself or alot
> of Debian users helping. Or am I just being anal?
>
> -- Original Message ------
> From: "David A. Rogers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:44:25 -0600 (Central Standard Time)
>
> >I am in the process of writing some documentation for Debian.  It is
> >oriented toward end-user desktop systems instead of servers.  Eventually,
> >it will give enough information to allow the end-user to set up a ocmplete
> >home system including sound, printer, cd-burner etc.
> >
> >It is also oriented toward education rather than magic incantation.  To
> >emphasize this orientation, I have called the document "Debian University".
> >The document contains a number of courses that will enhance your knowledge of
> >how Linux works and how Debian is set up.  If you are the sort that says 
> >"Just
> >tell me how to get my wonderblaster 2000 working.", then you probably won't
> >care for "Debian University".
> >
> >This is still very much a document in the making.  Many of the courses I
> >intend to write are still in the future.  However, some courses are currently
> >complete, so I am making it available now.  I will be adding to "Debian
> >University" as I have time.
> >
> >Please let me know if you find anything in the document confusing or less 
> >than
> >explanatory.
> >
> >Debian University is available at:
> >
> >http://www.xnet.com/~darogers/debian_university.txt
> >
> >Cheers,
> >dar
> >
> >
> >--
> >To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
>
>

Re: New documentation for Debian available

[David A. Rogers]

Done.

On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Ray Percival wrote:

> I do tend to be something of a license snob. Take a look at
> www.opencontent.org. I know O'Reilly has used this for several of their
> books. All in all what you have planned looks very good. This could really
> help.
>
> -- Original Message ------
> From: "David A. Rogers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:58:59 -0600 (Central Standard Time)
>
> >
> >No offense taken.  This is the first documentation I've written and the
> >copyright was an afterthought.  My only concern is in keeping the integrity 
> >of
> >the document.  You know how documents like to become promiscuous.  Can you
> >point me to something on the Open Publication License?
> >
> >dar
> >
> >On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Ray Percival wrote:
> >
> >> Not a very free license. Have you thought about using something like the
> >> Open Publication License with perhaps one of the optional clauses? I would
> >> contribute to something like that as it is I can't really see myself or 
> >> alot
> >> of Debian users helping. Or am I just being anal?
> >>
> >> -- Original Message --
> >> From: "David A. Rogers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:44:25 -0600 (Central Standard Time)
> >>
> >> >I am in the process of writing some documentation for Debian.  It is
> >> >oriented toward end-user desktop systems instead of servers.  Eventually,
> >> >it will give enough information to allow the end-user to set up a ocmplete
> >> >home system including sound, printer, cd-burner etc.
> >> >
> >> >It is also oriented toward education rather than magic incantation.  To
> >> >emphasize this orientation, I have called the document "Debian 
> >> >University".
> >> >The document contains a number of courses that will enhance your 
> >> >knowledge of
> >> >how Linux works and how Debian is set up.  If you are the sort that says 
> >> >"Just
> >> >tell me how to get my wonderblaster 2000 working.", then you probably 
> >> >won't
> >> >care for "Debian University".
> >> >
> >> >This is still very much a document in the making.  Many of the courses I
> >> >intend to write are still in the future.  However, some courses are 
> >> >currently
> >> >complete, so I am making it available now.  I will be adding to "Debian
> >> >University" as I have time.
> >> >
> >> >Please let me know if you find anything in the document confusing or less 
> >> >than
> >> >explanatory.
> >> >
> >> >Debian University is available at:
> >> >
> >> >http://www.xnet.com/~darogers/debian_university.txt
> >> >
> >> >Cheers,
> >> >dar
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >--
> >> >To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Sound Card Blues

[David A. Rogers]

On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hello all
> I have potato 2.2 installed on my system, I also have a Sound Blaster awe
> 1024 card. A friend debian-user very kindly gave me a hand recompiling the
> kernel to get the Sound Blaster drivers installed (this was magic as far as I
> remember nothing comes to mind about how this was achieved).

Unless he installed the ALSA drivers (possible), he did you no favors.  Under
Debian Potato it is very easy to get the awe cards working _without_ compiling
the kernel.  The awe cards are one of the best supported in the standard
kernel.  See the Debian University documentation for details:

http://www.xnet.com/~darogers/debian_university.txt

Cheers,
dar

Re: [OT] Recent increases in d-u posts?

[David A. Rogers]

The last Mandrake install I did ticked me off.  Potato was just released and I
thought I'd give it a try.  Have since made Debian my permanent distribution
of choice.

dar

On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Damon Muller wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I was just wondering if anyone else has noticed a signigicant increase
> in posts in the last few weeks. It seems that, not that long ago, I'd be
> lucky to get over 100 in a single day. These days it seems to be
> regularly over 200.
>
> It's a bit weird, because it's not as if there are any really long
> threads or flame wars. There doesn't seem to have been a noticable
> change in the sorts of things that have been posted (with the exception,
> maybe, that there seem to be a lot of XFree 4-related posts (and also
> the recent Dr Kroger thing, but that was relatively minor)).
>
> I'm not suggesting splitting the lists, or that newbies should go away,
> or anything like that. I'm just wondering if anyone else has any
> thoughts on the phenomenon. Maybe it's just beacue people are ?xpecting
> to have time off over christmas where they can work out this linux
> thing.
>
> cheers,
>
> damon
>
>

libncurses - which one?

[David A. Rogers]

There are two libncurses packages available for potato.  How do you decide
which one to install?

Thanks,
dar

Re: alsa and modutils

[David A. Rogers]

On 14 Dec 2000, David Z Maze wrote:

> Christoph Simon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> CS> It seems that kernels and the alsa driver like to live in certain
> CS> directories. I assume here, you do have the kernel sources comiled and
> CS> installed (BTW, why aren't you using the latest?). The kernel sources
> CS> should be in "/usr/src/linux-"; then, there should be a link
> CS> "/usr/src/linux" just to that directory.
>
> This isn't necessary (and is arguably a poor idea) under Debian.

OK.  I'll bite.  Do you think it's a bad idea to have the kernel sources under
/usr/src, or bad to have a soft link from /usr/src/linux to the kernel source
base dir?  And why is it bad?

dar

Re: Continuing sound saga (es1370, etc.)

[David A. Rogers]

Briefly, sound-slot-0 is the kernels "generic" name for a sound card module.
Its like "eth0" for ethernet cards.  See Debian University for a complete
rundown on modules: http://www.xnet.com/~darogers/debian_university.txt.

What this message says is that the kernel is looking for a sound card to load,
there isn't one currently loaded, and nothing is aliased to sound-slot-0.

You could try adding "alias sound-slot-0 es1370" to your
/etc/modutils/some_sound_setup_file but if you get this message when es1370 is
already loaded, then I don't think that will do any good.

I have a sneaking suspicion that your es1370 module got hosed somehow.  If I
were in your shoes, I'd look for a way to replace the existing module with an
original.

dar

On Fri, 15 Dec 2000, Ron Hale-Evans wrote:

> I'm unable to get my SB PCI64 (es1370) card to play. It worked for a
> couple of days, then quit while I was running a game in Wine.
>
> I've uninstalled and reinstalled the es1370 and soundcore kernel
> modules several times. Right now I also have the sound and soundlow
> modules installed. But every time I play a sound, the application
> hangs.
>
> On examining syslog, I see many repetitions of the following messages:
>
> Dec 15 01:14:12 linnaeus modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module sound-slot-0
> Dec 15 01:14:12 linnaeus modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module 
> sound-service-0-3
>
> Any idea why I'm getting these and what I can do about it?
>
> Thanks (yawn)...
>
> Ron Hale-Evans
>
>

Re: The Debian way (kernel)

[David A. Rogers]

On 18 Dec 2000, Gary Hennigan wrote:

> "Ray Percival" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I'm getting ready to go to kernel 2.2.18. I know there is a Debian
> > way to do the kernel but damned if I can think of where I could find
> > it. Could any of you please point me towards it and also anybody run
> > into anything to be aware of with this one. I'm doing it mostly for
> > the USB backports (think I may be getting some devices for xmas :))
> > In any case any advice would be very cool. Thanks.
[snip]
> As to your question, what you're looking for is the kernel-package
> package. So
> apt-get install kernel-package
> cd /usr/share/doc/kernel-package
> zcat README.gz|less
>

Two things the docs don't tell you.
1) copy /boot/config-x.y.zz (2.2.17 if potato) to .config in the base dir of
your kernel source.  If you don't you won't start with the default options
used to build the stock kernel.

2) You'll probably need to apt-get install bin86.


cheers,
dar

Re: SBLive! w/o using cable to CD

[David A. Rogers]

Huh?  I know we're hackers and all, but if the card is even semi-recently new,
I'd be hollering for a replacement.

dar


On Mon, 18 Dec 2000, Nate Amsden wrote:

> get an audio cable plug it from the headphone jack on the cdrom to the
> line in on the soundcard..that works for me.
>
> nate
>
> aidanc wrote:
> >
> > I have an SBLive! Value installed (using the 2.2.18pre21 kernel driver).
> > It seems as though the "CD" plug
> > on the card is bad, since I've tried changing both the cable (3
> > different ones) and the CD-ROM drive, and
> > still can't play CDs. So far I've been able to use grip to copy an audio
> > CD into .wav files on a hard drive
> > partition, but am not sure how to play the CD directly (maybe piping it
> > to splay?). I'm new at the whole sound
> > thing in GNU/Linux, so if there's a RTFM I should be looking at, please
> > let me know!
> >
> > Aidan O'Reilly
> >
> > --
> > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>

Weird audio cd behavior

[David A. Rogers]

I'm running potato with 2.2.17, ALSA with cs4236b chip.

Run xplaycd.
Press start.
First track plays.
After first track plays, it doesn't go on to the second track, it stops
like I'd pressed the stop button (no I didn't).  No matter what track I
start playing, it stops when the track is finished.

Weird huh?

Same thing happens with gtcd.

On cdplay, I get the same error other people have reported:
cdromplatrkind error.

Anyone? Anyone?

dar

Re: depmod question

[David A. Rogers]

imm.o is actually dependent on another module, but noone told depmod.  Try to
find what imm is dependent on.

dar

On Tue, 19 Dec 2000, Peter Jay Salzman wrote:

> i *just* downloaded and compiled 2.4.0-12 for the very first time.   after
> my very first reboot with this kernel, i'm getting:
>
> # depmod -a
> depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in 
> /lib/modules/2.4.0-test12/kernel/drivers/scsi/imm.o
>
>
> i'm curious - i compiled this kernel by the book.  what is causing this
> message and what is the fix?
>
> thanks!
> pete
>

Re: playing sounds from command line

[David A. Rogers]

Rob,

You can use "apt-cache search someapp" to find stuff like that.

dar
On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Rob VanFleet wrote:

> Stupid Question:
>
> I'm used to other distros having a 'play' command to play sounds from the
> command line.  Does Debian have a similar tool, or am I just missing the
> package with the play command?
>
> -Rob
>
>
>

Re: device3dfx-source ?

[David A. Rogers]

You might want to rethink your purchase.  3dfx is going out of business early
in the new year.  They have sold their intellectual property to nvidea.

dar

On Wed, 20 Dec 2000, Joerg Huber wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I would like to buy a Voodoo 3000 graphics card and found the debian-paket
> mentioned in the subject. But I could not figure out for what kind of card the
> module will work. Does anyone use this kernel-module ?
>
> Thanks,
>   Joerg
>
>
>

Re: Sound record program

[David A. Rogers]

You might also try gramofile.  It's more designed for recording off phono
albums, but should work for what you want.

dar

On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, Kai Weber wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am searching for a good sound record program, which can be used from a
> script/started by a cron job. I tested 'rec' coming from the sox
> package. With for CD-quality suitable settings "rec -c 2 -r 44100 -s w
> new.wav" I get gaps in my samples. I have to record more than one hour
> without any gaps. Is there a reliable tool which I should try?
>
> Kai.
>

Re: device3dfx-source ?

[David A. Rogers]

Jon,

You could be right.  I don't do 3d on Linux yet and don't have a 3Dfx board.
But, personally, I'd be a bit leery of buying hardware that I _knew_ was going
to be orphaned soon.

dar

On Thu, 21 Dec 2000, Jon Pennington wrote:

> "David A. Rogers" wrote:
> >
> > You might want to rethink your purchase.  3dfx is going out of business 
> > early
> > in the new year.  They have sold their intellectual property to nvidea.
>
> In business or not, 3Dfx hardware is arguably still the best-supported
> and most-fully-functional fast 3D using Free software.  Regardless of
> whether or not there will be new products from nVidia based on 3Dfx
> designs (I'm sure there won't be), GLide is still 100% free, and the
> drivers can still be tweaked and tuned to be faster than they currently
> are.  But I'm not bitter...;)
>
>

Warning ALSA and 2.2.18

[David A. Rogers]

The ALSA source shipped with potato (yes even r2) has a compile error when
built against the 2.2.81pre21 kernel source.  Fortunately, it's easy to fix.

In the alsa source include directory, you'll find a file drivers.h.  Edit this
file.  Search for the word "wait".  The first occurance is in a #ifndef
KERNEL_2_3 test (I'm not at the Linux machine now so the define might not be
exact).  Change the #ifndef line to "#if 0".  It should compile fine after
that.

Cheers,
dar

New course for Debian University

[David A. Rogers]

Kernel 150 - Compiling the kernel - is open for enrollment (The Debian
University document has been updated to include information on compiling the
kernel in the Debian way).

Debian University can be found at:

http://home.xnet.com/~darogers/debian_university.txt

make-kpkg is very nice and makes compiling the kernel as easy as it can get
(IMO).

Comments are welcome.

dar

Re: New course for Debian University

[David A. Rogers]

Carel,

Thanks for your input.  I appreciate knowing what people think of the
document.


On Thu, 28 Dec 2000, Carel Fellinger wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 08:12:05PM -0600, David A. Rogers wrote:
> > Kernel 150 - Compiling the kernel - is open for enrollment (The Debian
> > University document has been updated to include information on compiling the
> > kernel in the Debian way).
> >
> > Debian University can be found at:
> >
> > http://home.xnet.com/~darogers/debian_university.txt
>
> Nice initiative.
>

Thanks.


> > make-kpkg is very nice and makes compiling the kernel as easy as it can get
>
> I think it would be wise (and more debian like:) to explain how to
> compile the kernel as *non* root using fakeroot.  Furthermore I seem
> to recall discussions on this list that it's better to refrain from
> using/creating that /usr/src/linux link.


I understand your comment about fakeroot.  However, I didn't include any
documentation on it for a couple of reasons.

First, I've instructed the reader to read the kernel-package documentation
which includes instructions on how to do that already.  As I state in the
University principles, I don't want to duplicate existing documentation if
possible.

Second, I really think that the use of fakeroot, in this case, is being
unnecessarily cautious.  I agree that one should not login as root (normally),
but I see no harm in using su or sudo in an xterm window for the purpose of
building a new kernel - especially in light of the fact that my intended
audience is home users with dialup systems.  They have a lot less security
risk (and need for security measures) than the average business box.

I am open to discussion, however.  If you can give me compelling reasons that
a home user should use fakeroot whilst building a kernel, please do.

On the other topic, the kernel-package does state that
/usr/src/kernel-source-etc is an acceptable location for the kernel source.
If anyone can give a compelling reason not to make the linux symlink, I will
listen.

Cheers,
dar

Re: ISA SoundBlaster

[David A. Rogers]

You might find my document "Debian University" helpful.  It gives a very good
explanation of how modules work and talks about what you need to do to get
OSS/Free sound working.

http://www.xnet.com/~darogers/debian_university.txt

Cheers,
dar


On Wed, 3 Jan 2001, Guilherme Ceschiatti wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I've used normaly my ISA SoundBlaster in Storm Linux, but when I tried to
> move to Debian, it does not work anymore! I've tried everything, from copying
> the isapnp.conf and modules.conf to even using the stormlinux kernel in my
> Debian, but nothing works. Any ideas?
>
> []s
> Guiga
>
>
>

Re: trying to install ALSA

[David A. Rogers]

James,

No, the symlink is ok.  AFAIK, there are a number of files that ALSA
wants/needs that only exist after you have built the kernel once.  If there is
any other way to create these, I'd like to hear it.  See my Debian University
document for more information:
http://www.xnet.com/~darogers/debian_university.txt


Cheers,
dar

On Sat, 13 Jan 2001, James W. Lindenschmidt wrote:

> Hello everyone
>
> I'm still trying to install ALSA on my new potato system. I've
> progressed some, but I'm still stumped. Here's what I've done so far:
>
> 1. I realized I didn't have the kernel source installed, so I did
> apt-get install kernel-source-2.2.18pre21 from stable. However, this did
> not create a
> /usr/src/linux directory, so I made a symlink /usr/src/linux/ pointing
> to
> /usr/src/kernel-source-2.2.18pre21/.
>
> Then I added the unstable line to sources.list.
>
> Then I did apt-get install alsa-source.
>
> I su'd into /usr/src/modules/alsadriver, and typed ./configure
> --with-isapnp=yes, as recommended in the INSTALL readme.
>
> I got the following error: 'failed (probably missing
> /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h)'. I looked, and I am indeed
> missing that file.
>
> I suspect that installing the kernel-source-2.2.18pre21 package and
> symlinking to it was not the right thing to do. Can you help with this?
>
> Thanks again. I appreciate your time helping an all-too-eager Debian
> newbie. :-)
>
> --Jim
>
> Raghavendra Bhat wrote:
>

Re: Building a kernel

[David A. Rogers]

William,

See http://www.xnet.com/~darogers/debian_university.txt for a complete
rundownd on this.

dar

On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, William Leese wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> i wish to build a kernel but i've read somewhere that things cant be done
> quite the same way as with other (rpm-based) distros because it would confuse
> apt-get. can someone fill me in on this or point me to some debian specific
> documentation?
>
> William Leese
>
>
>

Re: re cdrw

[David A. Rogers]

No argument there.  There can be many good reasons to recompile the kernel.
It just isn't required in this case.  Also, there are lots of Linux users that
are afraid to build the kernel.  For those folks, this lets them put it off a
little longer.

I really like the way potato (and later I assume) have set up the stock
kernel.  AFAICT, everything that can be built as a module _is_ built as a
module (with the exception of scsi hardware).  This allows those who don't
have a yen to rebuild the kernel to avoid it indefinately.

BTW, for those who _do_ like to rebuild the kernel, Debian makes it incredibly
easy with the kernel_package tool.

Cheers,
dar

On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Kenneth Scharf wrote:

> I've had my cdrw drive for a while, I used it under
> slink.  I guess the standard Debian kernels are a
> little different now than under slink, or I just took
> some information in the CDR howto a little to
> verbatium.  Anyway I have always built my own kernels
> with only what I needed in them and have only used the
> stock kernel for the initial installation.  I do build
> my kernels with many devices in modules.  So yes, I
> stand corrected, however there is nothing wrong with
> re-building the kernel to suit your needs.  Another
> reason I build my own is to use a later kernel than
> currently available as a .deb image.
> --- "David A. Rogers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Kenneth Scharf wrote:
> >
> > > You must re-compile your kernel.  You also need to
> > > REMOVE ide cdrom support, because the scsi
> > emulation
> > > will replace the ide cdrom driver.  This is needed
> > > because CDRECORD only uses scsi protocol.  You
> > will
> > > then access the cdrom as /dev/scd0.  In my
> > computer I
> > > have a cdrw drive AND a real scsi cd rom drive.
> > The
> > > cdrom drive is now /dev/scd0 and the scsi cd rom
> > drive
> > > is /dev/scd1.  (YMMV, might depend on the order
> > you
> > > load modules).
> >
> > You do _not_ need to recompile the kernel.  The
> > stock debian kernel is
> > perfectly capable of running the ide-scsi as a
> > module.  The only tricky part
> > is that you have to reserve the cd writer.  This is
> > done using the append
> > statement as shown in the cd-writing howto.
> > Couldn't be easier and doesn't
> > require recompiling the kernel.
> >
> > dar
> >
>
>
> =
> Amateur Radio, when all else fails!
>
> http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze
>
> Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or .
>
>
>
> __
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail.
> http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
>
>

Re: re cdrw

[David A. Rogers]

On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Kenneth Scharf wrote:

> You must re-compile your kernel.  You also need to
> REMOVE ide cdrom support, because the scsi emulation
> will replace the ide cdrom driver.  This is needed
> because CDRECORD only uses scsi protocol.  You will
> then access the cdrom as /dev/scd0.  In my computer I
> have a cdrw drive AND a real scsi cd rom drive.  The
> cdrom drive is now /dev/scd0 and the scsi cd rom drive
> is /dev/scd1.  (YMMV, might depend on the order you
> load modules).

You do _not_ need to recompile the kernel.  The stock debian kernel is
perfectly capable of running the ide-scsi as a module.  The only tricky part
is that you have to reserve the cd writer.  This is done using the append
statement as shown in the cd-writing howto.  Couldn't be easier and doesn't
require recompiling the kernel.

dar

Re: cdrecord

[David A. Rogers]

On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, Benjamin Pharr wrote:

> I have an IDE CDRW drive that I want to be able to use in linux.  I have
> done "apt-get install cdrecord".  I have read the CD Writing HOWTO and I
> know I have to enable SCSI emulation, but can anyone who has done it in
> Debian tell me the easiest way?  Thanks!

Read the howto again.  See that script that's buried in the text.  It's most
of what you need to know.  First tell the kernel that it can't use the writer
as an ide cdrom using the append thing in lilo mentioned in previous mails.
Run lilo and reboot.  Now copy that script to a new file.  Make it executable
and run it.  Oooh look there's your cd writer.

Cheers,
dar

Re: How to install a kernel module?

[David A. Rogers]

Add the line
alias eth0 modulename

to /etc/modutils/aliases

then run update-modules.


There is a lot of good information on modules in the Debian University
document that I'm writing.

http://www.xnet.com/~darogers/debian_university.txt

Cheers,
dar


On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Miller, Jim wrote:

> I have a kernel module from intel to drive the Gigabit Intel Network
> adapter.  It is setup and insmod rmmod all work fine.  This is not a
> standard kernel module I got the src from Intel.  How do I set it up to
> automatically load into the kernel when eth0 is initialized?  Or where is
> the best place to drop it so it gets loaded a boot time?
>
> /
> * Jim Miller
> *
> * Analyst/ Programmer*
> * Novoste Corporation  *
> * [EMAIL PROTECTED] *
> * (770)810-3219
> *
> * Round the Firewall,  Out the modem,  Through the router, *
> * Down the wire,  NOTHIN BUT NET!! *
> **/
>
> "Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5, Subchapter II, '227, any and all
> unsolicited commercial E-mail sent to this address
> is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount of $500 US.
> E-mailing denotes acceptance of these terms."
>
>
>
>

Re: Need help/advise w/sound setup. LONG post!

[David A. Rogers]

John,

Take a look at debian university.  It will point you in the right direction.

http://www.xnet.com/~darogers/debian_university.txt

cheers,
dar


On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, John Foster wrote:

> I have been using OSS commercial grade for several years on our Debian
> systems. This requires a licensing fee to the end user. I would like to
> be able to get sound working on our systems using free software, to
> avoid that expense. If I am able to get it working on our server I think
> I will develop the skills to manage it on our retail systems.
>
> My basic software system is Debian-2.2r2 GNU/Linux Potato with a few
> tweaks from outside sources. I run Kernel-2.4.0_final compiled for SMP.
> WE tend to use sound boards with Yamaha chips (OPL3-SA2) because of cost
> purposes. I am using GDM as my display manager, Enlightenment as the
> window manager, and Gnome as the desktop manager. I selected Alsa rather
> than esound as my sound software after reading all of the docs. The
> reason is that alsa allows use of a greater range of software due to
> dependencies. I put the kernel .config file & the output from dmesg
> below for any questions regarding specefically how the kernel and
> modules work. I used alsaconf and  If I enter from root#:
> /etc/init.d/alsa start I get the message;Starting sound driver:
> snd-card-opl3sa2 failed.
> >From this point I am lost.
> Any help or advise is appreciated..Please excuse the use of bandwidth.
>
>
> My kernel config file is below:
> ---
[snip]
> --
>
>

Re: vim window resizing

[David A. Rogers]

MaD dUCK,

You probably have a lines= and possibly a columns= setting in your .vimrc.
Did you use someone else's rc file?  If not, check your system vim file.

dar

On Mon, 29 Jan 2001, MaD dUCK wrote:

> hey,
>
> my vim, when started from my regular 80x24 xterm, will blatantly
> proceed to resize the xterm to 80x50. i don't remember enabling such
> an option, and it's absolutely not what i want. how can i disable
> this?
>
> martin
>
> [greetings from the heart of the sun]# echo [EMAIL PROTECTED]:1:[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]@@@.net
>

Can run testing with slow net connect?

[David A. Rogers]

I've got a 56k modem on my home machine.  Is it feasible/reasonable for me
to run testing on this machine?  I've got 2.2r2 CDs.  Any guesstimates as to
how long it will take for the initial upgrade to testing?

TIA,
dar

Re: good sound cards?

[David A. Rogers]

Many sound cards that people will recommend here and elsewhere support only
wave audio and not midi.  If midi is important to you, make sure to ask.

dar

On Wed, Nov 22, 2000 at 07:42:16PM +, Robert Frank wrote:
> * Kevin Krafthefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [22-11-2000 12:56 PM -0600]
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I am adding sound to my debian machine and have had bad luck so far*.
> > Could those of you fine list subscribers that have had a positive,
> > enriching experience with installing and using your sound card on your
> > GNU/Linux machine please send me the name of your sound card. Also, if
> > you don't mind, please let me know roughly what it cost you.
[snip]
> 
> 
> The Creative Ensoniq AudioPCI is well supported and a less expensive
> alternative. I've never had a problem with mine in any OS. I think I paid
> around $25 online.
> 
[snip]

CD audio halts after every song

[David A. Rogers]

Running potatoe r2.  All the cd player apps that I tried halt after playing
the first song.  Anyone heard anything like this?

dar

Re: Recommendations on Linux C/C++/Java IDE?

[David A. Greene]

dman wrote:



python, bash, etc.  For debugging I tend to use the 'print' technique,
though for C/C++ gdb is _the_ debugger.  (there may be others, but gdb


gdb, in its current state, is most certainly *NOT* _the_ debugger
for C++.  There are many, many problems with it.  Supposedly
the gcc and gdb teams are working to resolve them but I don't
know what the current status is.

 -Dave

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 and you know how big he was."  --  James P. Johnson

Getting xfree86 4.02 onto an isolated laptop

[David A. Rogers]

I have received a hand-me-down laptop - a Thinkpad 365XD with TFT display.
I've got potato on it, but 3.3.6 doesn't work for my display (unless you
count VGA16 yuck!).  However, I just found a web site that says that 4.02
works well on the exact model I have.

Here's my problem.  I've only ever used the debian CDs and stable before.
I've read how to get unstable stuff, but that only works well if you have a
reasonable pipe to the net.  This thing has a slow modem 28.8 and I don't
have it working under Linux yet anyway.

What's going to be the easiest way to get xfree 4.02 onto this laptop?  Be
as explicit as you are able, please.  I'm still learning.

dar

Re: Getting xfree86 4.02 onto an isolated laptop

[David A. Rogers]

I have a fast (sort of) pipe at work, a cd burner at home and a scsi drive
to carry stuff back and forth.  So what do I do?

dar

On Wed, Sep 12, 2001 at 01:37:48PM -0400, Alan Shutko wrote:
> "David A. Rogers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > What's going to be the easiest way to get xfree 4.02 onto this laptop?  
> 
> A friend with a fast pipe and a cd burner?
> 
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Kernel after dist-upgrade

[David A. Rogers]

I have a kernel built with an epoch as the documentation suggests.  Will my
kernel be replaced when I dist-upgrade from potato 2.2.18pre21 to testing
2.4.something?

Thanks,
dar

Arrgh! Why did I wait so long?

[David A. Rogers]

I have been postponing attempting to upgrade to testing on any of my
computers because I've just got a regular modem and thought it would take
too long.  I finally bit the bullet this week.  I've got a hand-me-down
laptop that I'm putting Debian on.  The problem is that under xfree  3.3.6,
it only supports VGA16 bleeah.  Rumor has it though, that xfree 4.0 supports
it much better.  So now I had real incentive to upgrade to testing.

I finally got the pcmcia modem working and last night I did the
apt-get --download-only dist-upgrade thing.  It was 11:30 by then, so I
haven't installed it yet.

Here's the thing.  It only took 5 hours.  Somehow, I expected it to take
nights of downloads.  Now I wish I had upgraded sooner.

Yet another reason I love Debian.  I can't imagine going back to any other
distribution.

dar

problems with XFree86 on Thinkpad

[David A. Rogers]

I have an IBM THinkpad 365XD with TFT display Model # 2625-1e9.  I've seen a
number of references on the net that this card/display was not supported
under 3.3.6.  However, recently I found a page that says they got the exact
same model working under 4.02.

That was here:
http://geekjuice.dhs.org/~forrest/thinkpad.shtml

So I went through the trouble to upgrade my laptop to woody in order to get
the later version Xfree86.  I tried letting apt configuration set up the
config file.  That didn't work - I got a bunch of white vertical lines on
black page.  I tried using the config file from the thinkpad web page above.
That didn't work either.  So I emailed Forrest - the owner of that page.  He
says that he installed the xfree86 binaries by hand.  And he's running 4.02
instead of 4.1.  Forrest also runs Debian.

Is it possible that the Debian maintainer for xfree86 somehow screwed
something up?  Or is it more likely that the difference is in the 4.02 to
4.1 versions?

Does anyone have any ideas?  This is really starting to wear me down.  I'd
love to get this laptop working.

dar

Re: problems with XFree86 on Thinkpad

[David A. Rogers]

Thanks.  I'll give that a try.  Do you have to have a 2.4.x kernel for that
or will 2.2.18pre from potato work?

dar

On Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 06:33:45PM -0400, dman wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 10:33:40AM -0500, David A. Rogers wrote:
> [video card specs, etc]
> | Does anyone have any ideas?  This is really starting to wear me down.  I'd
> | love to get this laptop working.
> 
> Check out the framebuffer support in the kernel.  Rebuild your kernel
> to use the framebuffer instead of VGA for console driving.  Also, when
> you have the framebuffer support in your kernel, you can tell X to use
> the 'fbdev' driver and it all works with no hassle at all.  I really
> like it :-).
> 
> -D
> 
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cron, or something, chatters too much

[David A. Cobb]

Trying slowly to recover from what I think was a "dist-upgrade" that 
downgraded everything until damn little works.
Ah, but I did finally get nVidia stuff working, so at least I'm on-line 
after a fashion.

PROB: While I'm working (TTY1 as root) I get interrupted every minute or 
so by about 10 lines of:

PAM_unix[12345] (cron) session started for user [root, mail, 
amvis-stats] . . .
and
PAM_unix[23456] (cron) session ended for 

I guess the information is useful ( except that none of the components 
involved are configured to do anything useful yet ).
But I don't want it on my TTY !  I pops into the middle of an info 
screen or my editor or whatever else I'm trying to do.  And it's not 
always easy to get rid of.

How can I tell PAM or cron or whatever to log its complaints somewhere 
else; or to block any daemon logging messages from my TTY?

TIA
--
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Pilgrim: R.French, Tr.
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dist-upgrade . . . to what?

[David A. Cobb]

I can't find anything in the docs to give me a clue.
If I do apt-get  dist-upgrade, how do I direct it which of [stable, 
testing, unstable] to target?  Or am I misunderstanding the whole thing?

Dist-upgrade seems to have been the cause of my present brokenness -- a 
lot of packages got removed or downgraded.  Right now I've
fiddled sources.list so only 'testing' stuff is visible, since that is 
where I want to go.  Isn't there a "better" way?

It looked as though the "-o=whatever" was the trick, but I can't put 
anything there that doesn't get a complaint.

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"By God's Grace, I am a Christian man; by my actions a great sinner." -- The Way of a 
Pilgrim: R.French, Tr.
Life is too short to tolerate crappy software!

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dpkg-query --showformat

[David A. Cobb]

Trying to use --showformat to get information from the package 
database.  I'm fine with everything  EXCEPT the Filename.
All the other items I've tried, the syntax "${Package} . . . ${Version} 
etc" the "variable" matches the tag on the lines of the available file --
Package: ...
Version:   

However, ${Filename} does not output anything -- always blanks.
So, what's the magic?  I'm running short on goats here ( and the smell 
of burnt goat hair is really annoying ).

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"By God's Grace, I am a Christian man; by my actions a great sinner." -- The Way of a 
Pilgrim: R.French, Tr.
Life is too short to tolerate crappy software!

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