A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
Hello, I have finally decided to come and use Linux, even when I know that it is a bit more typical than Windows, which is being used mostly. I know I can Google the things but the purpose of asking here is to know from the experienced user who really can tell the reality or "behind the scenes" story. I have the following queries, which I am explaining but also request to let me know where I am wrong in my thoughts. (i) Which Distribution: I guess Linux is kernel only. So all should be the same. So as per the experts needs, can I know which is better? Given my context: A computer with 250 GB hard-disk and 2 GB RAM and it is of "not so new, not so old" type. Further, I want to use Linux in my daily works which are simple like office works (documentation) and web surfing because I am in the job which is no more related with computers..So this is just my hobby part. (ii) DEB vs RPM Well, just heard these are package managers but an end user is no more concerned with both of them. But still, from the information point of view, I am curious to know about each one and especially how is one good at some point and and the other is good as some other task...or may be both are that efficient... Further, I guess Debian is one of the oldest Linux distribution. Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAHBpLRNQ+eGQEm75pw9=fhqpbtw6za3j5jf1vpdaryahwzm...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
Apologies for the later reply. I read and then reply. Thanks to all the members. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahbplrmbzn9mqdtdbjqsc0yjs3apjgvpbwvdhjickfbmraa...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 11:44 PM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > In order to decide I would advise you try Live CDs. Okay. > The format itself (.deb and .rpm) is not very interesting to end users. Okay, because end users are not interested in the tasks which are related with developers, I believe. > But APT (and friends) on the other hand is for many an important reason to > stick to Debian (and related distros). Can you please elaborate that important reason? I would try to understand. Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAHBpLRORcQDRj2TS1xvwLjWQibdadOdQwVN4s2bqLA9=fym...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 12:05 AM, Andrew Wood wrote: > After many years of using Linux on servers and my primary desktop I would > only recommend Debian. Its solid and reliable, other distros ive found to be > very buggy their installers often refuse to install on machines that arent > reasonably high spec whereas Debian will pretty much run on anything. > My primary machine is only a Core 2 Duo but its running Debian 7 with Gnome 3 > without any issues and is more than adequate for LibreOffice and web browsing > speedily Oh well. By saying solid and reliable, you mean it is worth installing. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahbplrp5qzxrn2bkwdxgtlxs4aymrmwwzscw4wpaowa1ssz...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 12:50 AM, Doug wrote: > You are going to get a lot of opinions here, and as a result you may be > just as confused as you are now! Yes, but I guess reading the great experiences would just create a broader picture in my mind. Though it is true that confusion could get generated but still I would manage with one distribution to start with and eventually see the LIVE CDs of all. > But here are some points to consider: > You're right that the kernel is just about the same for all. It's the > realization of the system, Ok. And I guess it is the "kernel" which is Linux. > mainly two particulars, that distinguish each from another. The two are the > Graphic User Interface (GUI) and > the package manager. > The GUI is responsible for much of the system requirements. You will > be much better off using LXDE or XFCE as a GUI, since their system > requirements are the lowest. You should not be looking at GNOME, > in any of its variations, or KDE, with your low-end hardware. Low-end hardware probably means the end users' hardware... > PCLOS has an LXDE version which I have tried, and it works fine, altho I > use its big brother KDE. But I have the hardware to do so. > LXDE looks somewhat like Windows, so it should be easy to adapt to. Well, and also I heard it is light weight. > The other differentiator is the package manager. I have a very strong > opinion here: the package manager MUST display the available programs > that you can choose from. If it doesn't, you will have to have a list > from somewhere. The idea of using "apt-get-install filename" is just > beyond my belief. So you need some kind of file manager that displays > all available files, and you just highlight one and tell it install. > I am partial to Synaptic, which is available on Mint and PCLOS, and I > don't know what else. Oh. > That said, for the user, there is not much to choose between deb and > RPM. I haven't tried to create either of these from scratch, altho I > have looked at the creation of RPMs, and it looks hairy. If you need > to obtain some software that is not in the distro's repo, (they all > tell you not to, but sometimes you must) most manufacturers who > supply apps in deb also supply the same apps in RPM. Some don't > supply either, and you have to unpack, compile, and install yourself, > but that is not difficult. > Now let the fur fly! Well, thanks for this explanation. You mean for end users, it won't really matter much which one to use. Just use one and get started! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahbplrnrq0eur2wb0be_fbadoxpr2r4mk0fzmnn_tz2xbbd...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: > You can use libreoffice. Just be aware that there can be formatting > issues between the two systems. Using the .rtf type can be used instead, > but there are plenty of "Save As ..." choices. Oh definitely yes. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahbplrmpo9n0cxoaqtzw+tdcsev3ucmufp6_loywjgadwbi...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > This are 2 of several formats that are handled by package managers. I > prefer DEB over RPM, but what I like the most, is the package format > used by Arch Linux. > Yes, Linux is the kernel, but the word Linux usually is used for a > complete install, kernel and user space too. Distros can differ. Very > common is that they use different startup processes, Debian does use > initscripts by default, IMO the best, Ubuntu does use upstart and most > major distros nowadays use systemd. Oh I see. > We need to know more about your skills and what you want to do using > Linux. Well, I would place myself in a novice user. I have a job which in no way related with computers but as a part of hobby in free time, I have started to see Linux (sometimes). I know it needs times, but since I have liked it, I would try to...that's all I can say. > Even then we might have different opinions what distro is the > best one to use. If you have special needs, such as CNC, then the choice > isn't that large, if you need the computer for mailing, web browsing, > office work, then the available distros are many and what distro is the > best, is much harder to tell. Well, the later part you say, is what my needs are. Like web surfing, mailing, office documentations with no viruses or malwares (and the related non sense). > IMO the only good hint I can give, is to use a major distro with a huge > community. I'm not using Debian myself at the moment, but IMO it's a > good distro to start and perhaps to stay with it forever, or after a > while to take a look for a distro, that might fit better to your needs. > With the knowledge you will have after a while, a decision is easier. Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAHBpLRNyogPPXgk=r8xn8lqqq3izrwqf9uoyppse7e16p6f...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Is it a 32-bit or 64-bit CPU? How old is it? Debian does compile for > 32-bit architecture, for very old machines, so the 32-bit architecture > might not be optimized to "modern" 32-bit CPUs. Some other distros > ignore old hardware and compile for more recent 32-bit CPUs, so that the > software won't work on very old hardware. For 64-bit architecture the > difference between distros isn't that large. If hardware optimization > does matter, depends to the task. AFAIK, regarding to the used math, the > audio quality could differ. Its 32 bit CPU. But I have heard that the distro running on 32 bit works very well on 64 bit too (same as it works on 32 bit) but the converse is not true. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAHBpLROKNXrthMZh-Z4Bvxoo7QPZqwpG=F=omqgmt0ann_q...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > "_Like_ office works "etc."", so what's the "etc."? Multimedia? Distros > have different policies regarding to used libraries, regarding to > non-free codecs, regarding to follow or not to follow current stable > releases from upstream. All this could have advantages and drawbacks, > depending to the usage. Yes, Multimedia, printing, video and audio editing like that. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAHBpLRMopfLKmr-EEyaX1ngxHih=iMTjjq=C7Qd0j=f3t0d...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Catalin Soare wrote:> Hello there! > Then, come back to Debian. Unless you choose any testing or non-stable > variants, you will notice that it truly is stable and once setup, things > Just Work (TM). Stable in what sense. Means we don't need to install anything again for years? > Just get your feet wet a bit! It'll be fun! > Good luck! Thanks. > P.S.: One of the nice things of the non-Windows world is that you have > choice. If you don't like one distro, you end up reading about many others > which you might like. Great thing! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahbplrphpskywxmb3fj9k_nqblmloobrspip4uwpuxumtg5...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 7:55 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > Much depends on whether you (AP) are ready to get your feet wet and > use the CLI (command line interface). By all means stick to the GUI > (graphical user interface) for installing things if that is your > preference. Because I guess CLI is a bit more typical and for advanced users but ok...slowly-slowlyI would try to -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAHBpLRPP0LDifQzgtsNDLjRRzXCLZjrSO+OkN=dmqug3h5b...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > It is certainly worth installing, but what he means, I think, is that > it will rarely, if ever, crash, be almost bug-free (nothing is > totally bug-free in all possible situations), has good security > updates and can be relied on. It Just Works. Okay. > My husband, who likes a trouble-free life, is quite clear that he > wants the stable version of Debian. (He gets Debian anyway.) Oh well. BTW, everyone likes a trouble-free life...;)- > If you want the latest, greatest, newest hardware and software, then > Debian Stable is not for you. If you want reliability, an ability to > run on almost anything, and a peaceful life, then Wheezy - 7.2 - (the > current Stable) is the one for you. Ok. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahbplrmbqtogdgpa5wayv3qjjde9krjtpwujc90znd8x6pm...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Neal Murphy wrote: > GUIs have their uses; but they limit what one can do. If one wants to learn > how a computer works, CLI is nearly the only way to go. But CLI learning needs much time. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahbplrnhw9ukdfgplcmyhzoweuboumvews0ofbtkjdnpe4x...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Gian Uberto Lauri wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q030WNZvXrA Well, you mean its like GUI;)- Good analogy! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAHBpLROtrGVhXqfpmNdbTwm6VtLYzscP930ELvJEVnLgRKAM=w...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 1:34 AM, Joe wrote: > Depends on what you need that's new. Stable in the sense that the > software version is not changed, except for some frequently-updated > workstation software such as web browsers and virus checkers. Nearly > all other software is frozen at the version of about six months before > release. Releases are occurring about every two years, and security > support for the older version continues for another year. > This is what you need for servers and business workstations. You don't > want features to change unexpectedly, particularly if they may break > something you need to use every day, where actual money may be involved. > If the software does the job you want, it will still be doing that same > job three years later. > This may not be what you want as a leisure user, or even as a business > user if you don't mind fixing things. If you need to use more modern > software, such as a graphics program which gains new features every six > months, then you will want to look at faster-evolving distributions. > There are many of these, and quite a few are based on one of the other > two Debian distributions. > Debian Testing is the test bed for the next release of Stable. As such, > the software alters pretty much daily until the freeze, which is about > six months before the release of the next Stable. During that period, > bugs are fixed, and when there are relatively few left, it is released. > Not on a particular date, but when the bugs are fixed. Release happens > when the green line here: > http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ pretty much hits zero, at > least in terms of serious bugs. > So the downside of using a more up-to-date distribution is more bugs, > as you would expect. There is a third Debian distribution called > Unstable, and it is. The software itself is fairly recent, and is > newly-integrated into Debian, which brings further surprises. Unstable > is never frozen or released, it evolves continuously. It evolves very > quickly after a Stable release, and anything that survives for about > ten days without serious problems gets moved to Testing, so both > distributions are a bit hairy to use for the next six months. Neither > are suitable for a beginner, so the recommendation is to try Stable. > As others have said, it is possible to use newer Linux software in any > of the distributions, you just have to take a bit of responsibility for > maintaining it, as it won't be automatically updated. Sometimes you can > use a Debian-compatible package, which has been made by the software > authors and hasn't, for a range of reasons, yet been accepted into a > Debian distribution. Sometimes you need to compile from source code, > though this isn't especially difficult. If you do bring in outside > software, you may need to do a little extra work, such as tracking down > a few additional required packages, or adding a few file links. Once > you've done a bit of this, and know where to look for help with > problems, you might want to try Testing or Unstable. > Bear in mind that almost any Linux distribution will have more problems > than Stable, simply because the software is newer. I've used Unstable > for leisure and business for nearly ten years now, during which time > I've had a few disagreements with it and reinstalled twice when > something was beyond my abilities to fix. But I've had similar problems > with Windows, of which the customers only ever see what is effectively > the Stable version, and it's a lot harder to fix things there. Well, I agree with your points but I believe now that stable versions are best suited for the business needs and where changes are not required frequently. Once set-up, just take coffee and forget for yearsall things work like you worked for the very first year...(except for a few changes, if any). That's good for servers. To my belief, end users would like something more fancy! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAHBpLRNxDsX89jgcNaxYK5=wdcssebeovollkw4ppouoet1...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 5:50 AM, Doug wrote: > Stable means the producers of the distro believe that the bugs have been > all removed. That does _not_ mean that they won't change it tomorrow, > and for some applications, you might have to upgrade--i.e., > install a new release of that system, or the app won't work. > There are two other options you might want to consider: > 1. Ubuntu has a system--I forget what it's called--that they guarantee > will be stable and supported without change for five years. > 2. PCLinuxOS systems--whether 32 or 64 bit, or KDE, or LXDE, etc, are > on what they call a "rolling release"--you never have to reinstall a > new system: upgraded files are made available as they are tested and > certified OK, and you just upgrade them via the system software. Even > new kernels are made available. The only time you would have to > make a new installation would be to change from 32 bit to 64 bit. > It should be noted that once in a while, the upgrade of some file > doesn't work the way it's supposed to, or affects something it > shouldn't. This doesn't happen very often, but it _does_ happen. > (I use PCLOS, so I know!) Okay. This is now clarified. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahbplrpztq0xjs-cj4fuqf4u48nkgrk9wrqhia+eey5y+rk...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 2:32 PM, Andre Majorel wrote: > Every reply of yours breaks the thread. Really just using Opera (and sometimes Firefox) and typing www.gmail.com and then using it without anything else...! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahbplrphgwoq63r1g5-v80nz-ofcytr0dfuut4n4wos_px9...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Chris Bannister wrote: > Yep, that's pretty much on the nail! Although, it is around three years > on average, as the testing distribution becomes the new stable. > Of course, there is backports, but some would argue that then, by > definition, you are no longer running a stable system. Oh well. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahbplrpnfdz295tkt8xsoo-uhzs4721ketwvyggydxoofl1...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > Quite. I also really don't know about why this is happening. A mozilla firfox is doing all that...without any reason..! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAHBpLRM4GSp4vaaw2NO0w9RRjo4=jdm5m2msx6dyyvlyud0...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: > But since the OP isn't changing the subject line (at least not in a visible > way), I wonder what else he's doing wrong. Not changing even in invisible way! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAHBpLRPNkZ+35QRJYPJH3tgSfqhsd=0jxhetgm19vplvosc...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 4:21 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > The easiest, though not the only, solution is to use Gmail with an > email client via IMAP or POP3. I use KMail. I have clients using > Icedove (Thunderbird). So with KMail can we read the mails offline too? (Only the mails which have been read once online) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAHBpLRPFv51CV6Nw=hsaqq+mukwwqbp9_5ne0k6qwxcaxd7...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > I use POP3. The emails download just as they would from any > mailserver. I then read, reply, edit etc. my emails off-line. With > the difference that Gmail archives my emails as soon as I have > downloaded them, instead of deleting them. > I rarely read my emails online. When I do, they still download when I > next launch KMail. > I reply online as rarely as possible. I like a comfortable life! > IMAP is also possible. This is standard IMAP, just as POP3 is quite > normal, as far as I can see. Well thanks Lisi. I too would like to have a preferred life now. When you write mails offline, they are saved always and as soon as you come online, the saved mails are sent from the Sent folder automatically, I guess this must happen. I didn't understand "With the difference that Gmail archives my emails as soon as I have downloaded them, instead of deleting them." What is meant by "instead of deleting them"? Further you mean we/I have to user either IMAP or POP...right? Well the same issue I am facing at Fedora mailing lists too...Now seriously thinking to do something for a comfortable life...I am tired now! Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAHBpLRPCQqyOm8WMx=sgc-acjha02gzq2-es4dxo0owpsks...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > With KMail, Evolution or any other MUA you can read all mails off-line. > IMAP/POP does download the mails to your machine. You can decide if you > want to delete the mails from the gmail server after downloading them or > not. At the moment I try to switch away from all GTK/GNOME related stuff > if possible, so I'm testing KMail. I still would recommend to use > Evolution. However, read the archive and you will see many posts from > Lisi whining about issues with mails posted to this list. You won't > experience that much issues when using Evolution. Oh I seeLisi has experience with all the mail clients I guess. But thanks for letting know the difference. > 2 Cents, > Ralf > OT PS: To get rid of all the Xfce issues I'm testing KDE at the moment, > but it does cause (the same issues + others)² :D. While I already solved > many of the Xfce issues, I still try to find out what are the culprits I > need to get rid off for KDE. You simply mean KDE is more bulky or has more issues -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAHBpLROoc=xhew5qp0hzgcdjopup3+by_n3eyxnesdoxuda...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 7:40 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > Of course I haven't. And I have never made such a claim. Ah, that was my rough guesswhich went wrong, that simple! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAHBpLRP3D7fFS8a14vDhz9Z11A41_1tf=mpgkdmgh7hcysj...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 9:02 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > KMail seems not to be better, but more worse than Evolution. Ok but Evolution works well in KDE too? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAHBpLRMZ0yg-R91J=9hqrgogs4wfksgerrda_q6+vadrqfk...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 5:07 AM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > "Dear AP, unfortunately you have made an assumption here based on > irrelevant non-technical innuendo from Ralph (see above). But I won't > hold that against you. For now :)" No no I just read everybody's views but didn't make any assumption. I don't know much of the Linux part, so asked. But at most of the places, I didn't find Ralph's suggestions badHe just said "to use and then decide" which is okaybecause the it all depends on tastes, I believe > Best regards to all, and may your life journey's be fruitful, Same to you too Zenaan. Your wishes are great. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahbplrna5hqrhs0ajlloklfrhtdnxurtr+805ddxnyz-uis...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I guess I will test it this weekend or within the next month. But I also > will test KMail on different installs. I'm undecided what DE I will use > in the future and also what MUA. For me it's important that I can use > the same DE and MUA when switching a distro. I'm not fixed to a > distribution, DE or MUA, I simply use what will fit best to my needs. I > just don't want to switch too much at the same time, assumed there > should be the need to do that. Switching the distro and MUA very seldom > happened in the last ten years, but unfortunately I had to switch the DE > too often for my taste. Okay. > IMO you simply should install several mail clients and keep the mails on > the server after downloading them, so you could test several MUAs > without loosing Emails, or without having to worry that you unintended > download some mails duplicated. If such an issue happens you simply can > delete the MUAs mail folder. Once you know what MUA is the best one for > you, you only should use that one and then it's no risk to delete the > mails after receiving. Well, but I really don't have much time to install each and everything and then to decide. But IMO, it would be fine if I install just anyone and then see its effects for one-two months and then do the same process with other clientthough it seems typical too..! But I see how to accomplish this! > MUAs could behave different depending to the usage of IMAP or POP, you > perhaps should test this too. Oh. > Don't believe a claim that something should be the best MUA, that are > just our opinions for the way we use MUAs. You should read about > advantages and drawbacks of mail directory formats, IMAP, POP and then > verify it on your own ;). Correct but at least if some particular MUA is used by several people (more than any other MUA is used by some people) then the particular MUA is worthy of use. Though I think it could be either of Thunderbird or Evolution or KMailbut I am not sure which one is used widely and by maximum no. of people. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAHBpLRP2gUcqpOZZM+CwEjQfJJub3w=gme1cvd+9y0ry3o-...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Thunderbird is the most use GUI MUA, because it's used on other > platforms too. IOW, for Debian it's Icedove. Debian needs to rename > Thunderbird, but that's another story. > Mozillas (not only Thunderbird/Icedove), KMail, Evolution and Sylpheed > are often used. IMO even Opera has got a usable mail client, but I > suspect it's not that often used as the others. Oh well. I would Google and see why Debian want the other name for Thunderbird...whatever...Now, I have to think for only three candidates: KMail, Evolution and Thunderbird for the time beingmay be one by one. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahbplrmko8f049et4ilugy5+xklg-t1ef9tqysxzensuxa1...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 6:49 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I can't remember what I tested a while ago. Perhaps Claws, maybe > Sylpheed. I'll try _both_ again. Have all tried Thunderbird? I am eager to know about it. Is it excellent? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAHBpLRNMpC1GF2By=-833+josj4anpbxwvoumhytnqbw4qs...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > I use POP3. The emails download just as they would from any > mailserver. I then read, reply, edit etc. my emails off-line. With > the difference that Gmail archives my emails as soon as I have > downloaded them, instead of deleting them. > I rarely read my emails online. When I do, they still download when I > next launch KMail. > I reply online as rarely as possible. I like a comfortable life! > IMAP is also possible. This is standard IMAP, just as POP3 is quite > normal, as far as I can see. Lisi thanks for this because you explained very clearly about POP and IMAP which both are great tools for mail clients. And I would try both. Can you please also let me know about Thunderbird if you have experience with it? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahbplro-heaoe338he7gzf_+zo9ciribi_qpcejt6vc61zx...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Joe wrote: > Yes, it seems to be stable and do things fairly well. It's a bit slow, > particularly when starting, but that's not a problem if you keep it > open all day. It's a bit heavy on resources and may be a problem for > older computers if multiple tabs are used extensively. > If nobody else has mentioned it to you, the names and logos of Firefox > and Thunderbird are (intentionally) not under free licence, so Debian > does not include them in its main repositories. The actual code is > free, so Debian is free to recompile and distribute them under > different names and logos, and does so as Iceweasel and Icedove > respectively, and of course the original Firefox and Thunderbird are > freely downloadable for Linux and Windows. Well, it won't be open all the day but only when I will have to use the PC. But still you say it good and the fact that many people use it, makes me a trust for it, though until I use it, I cannot comment much of its effectivenessjust heardOkay its resourceful. My PC is neither too old nor the latest, its in the middle...It should cope up with it, I guess... It is really wonder to know that Debian doesn't include them because of yet another war of licensewhatever...If the actual code is free, still such issues arise is a wonder to think! I now think that KMail must be a bit less resourceful than Thunderbird. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAHBpLRPVcBZdfo+64Xc_=t_drc9vw7zkmjkejuc6b1g9tk8...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Paul E Condon wrote: > The world is a complicated place. A counter argument to your 'maximum > no. of people' is: Look for MUA that is truly outside the mainstream > of usage because it will have the least number of phishers attacking > you. Thought over your advice which seems really nice but I want to know if there are chances of phishing attacks in Linux too? And I have come to Linux knowing it is virus free!! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahbplrof21k9szv06_hiqay07pssns_goh5vocggnqd5nnz...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I used it for years, it was and likely is excellent, but not a native > Linux app and as already mentioned before, I dislike the Mozilla policy. Well, I would say some people like the Mozilla policy and some not. Its personalthough. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAHBpLRM7J3w1BDH745eV-eGn_LC1zn3fRUeUfHdpnT=7-n5...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Phishing = faked web sites that ask you to give passwords etc. have nothing > to do with the used operating system. Oh I see. > Attacks that use buffer overflows and other bugs or weak points are the less > likely, the less the software is used. You for sure won't find backdoors in > open source code, backdoors for the NSA, for marketing etc. are exclusive > provided > by Microsoft and Apple and _closed_ source for Linux. > Linux servers are as often attacked as other servers too. Linux audio web > sites > very often where hacked. Then "phishing" activates only when one types the credentials into the fraud login prompts and if we just don't login on those fake pages -- we are free from Phishing attacks I guess. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahbplrpn9frupmhvdj3qdjc-9byqp-h91vd5uondhphfuok...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 10:24 PM, wrote: > Personally, I use KMail. It's a lot less resource intensive than Thunderbird > (Called Icedove in Debian.), does the job well, and integrates with KDE SC, > including Plasma and Kontact. Thunderbird doesn't integrate well even in > "native" GTK+ environments. Oh I see. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAHBpLRPg0wgtZjiX3i5O__F-Hee_5TDFTT3hu5mG=5n_aqb...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 9:30 PM, Doug McGarrett wrote: > Thunderbird is excellent. Have been using it exclusively for several years, > ever since > KMail screwed me by printing about 5% of my incoming mail in some Asian > script > that could not be recovered into English. Oh I see. Anyways, you confirm that Thunderbird must be given a trial. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAHBpLRPkHw_vsR_E9A4irsJVnQ-kGhTZjgn1tt3Ju=kr9uj...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 10:26 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Mozilla software is excellent regarding to technically aspects, but not > regarding to > freedom. Your mean privacy? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahbplrmtlzst1hbn9b-ta11ru5fxlz4-vsav2h8sc+jqyw0...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Yes, millions of hackers are looking at the code too, not only the "good > guys" ;). It's more interesting to find _and use_ the one and only > security whole to get access to the French military and your private > mails and data, than to find one of the thousands security wholes for a > MUA used by a handful of computer freaks and your private mails and > data. But then developers should create such clients which have such codes that are typical to hack or not possible to hackelse end users would come into trouble. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAHBpLRNjowAV5pN=OT=SL9=jwxb0g8f96yrjvvpzqx2r-wu...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Doug McGarrett wrote: > And just sacrifice something else useful to the great god FOSS! Yeah, FOSS is computer's God nowadays;)- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahbplroe3kwttg3mvhvmmzkh0ukmbdja0lesqnxoydsapr_...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 11:21 PM, wrote: > I prefer Google anyway, though, as I have yet to see a search engine that > works nearly as well. I know a lot of people rave about Duck Duck Go, but > every time I use it it loves to bring up results in an order that doesn't hit > the same sort of relevance as Google. But Google using my search for > advertising doesn't bother me. Google is great I agree but only it should not collect one's personal information (whatever that info might be) -- if it collects thatElse, I have no issues with Google, after all its the greatest search engine! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAHBpLRPik0NYuHZOWuFHx8npMZr3P+YW=r9ymt1jxblrwbk...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 1:15 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > In the end, suck it and see. No email client is perfect. Most are > good. How many people use it is not necessarily a good criterion. > Think of Outlook and Outlook Express! I agree with you Lisi that no email client is 100% perfect and the most of them are good because all work. > Perhaps choose a DE or WM first and use that choice to inform your choice of > email client. The "matching" one will use up fewer extra > resources. Or better options is to install in the main distribution one by one. Like using one for one week and then trying next -- it gives a feel too! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAHBpLROKMR9Zrhh2uka=GhmS=u54N6XQ-j4-=sdgg5vzlnl...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 1:28 AM, John Hasler wrote: >> The email clients continuously emulate each other... > Except for Gnus. Why this is an exception? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAHBpLRPh+5WdpSNW2f3S+E5zwBDP=4k7i8g0pihsrzfbgp_...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 1:26 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > Roughly, Mozilla said that they had to have the last word on anything > going out under their copyright. Debian said taht they had to have > the last word on any packages going into the official repositories. > These two were incompatible. > So they agreed to differ. Debian agreed not to use the > copyrighted/trademarked names: Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey etc.. > They were removed from all the software packages going into Debian. > (Well, in theory at least! There were/are traces taht got missed.) > Debian uses the Open Source Mozilla applications, but calls them > Iceweasel, Icedove, IceApe etc. Oh I see. And people use both of them! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahbplrpzzlg3d1b15vx4-dxnhwnnpmhd5t0lccnvhdfgvjv...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 1:45 AM, Lisi Reisz wrote: > Yes, I have experience of it. It is good email client. But I > personally do not like it as much as many people do. It used to be > much better for newbies than other clients, but I think that that is > no longer true. > Depending on circumstances, it is a plus point that it is available > for several OS's. It can be useful if someone is reluctant to leave > Windows. Change over to Linux is less traumatic if someone can use > it first in Windows and continue to use the same applications in > Linux. > I always install Thunderbird if I am setting up a Windows box for > someone. Well, I did when I still had to have contact with Windows. > And the same for Firefox. Now that Google Chrome is available and is > cross-platform, I would offer both. > I used to install Thunderbird for newbies whose boxen I was > administering. I still have one person using Thunderbird. He has > adapted it to his needs and obviously wants to stick with it. > But it is not what I now install. You cannot go wrong with it, but I > do not think that it is the best. It has, however got a lot of > add-ons, which some people appreciate. It also has good > documentation available (on line) which is too rarely true of FLOSS, > and is a great advantage. In the net-shell, it is good and can be used for new users but you mean KMail too is equally well. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahbplrnag-qkxy8b5zjevh9_xnkvt3qec3ukm8w_axz2zvf...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > My aversion against Mozillas is not objective. But at least it is better than Safari or Windows Explorer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahbplrodklmmzuzj2olynzsvaspfv7tplneust6qadrbcqv...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > The last time I wanted to test Thunderbird again, some month ago, > it opened with advertisings. Okay, that's why you feel the other one is better...ok, fair enough. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahbplrnroyd91xzquatarrhnmojqqkc6npthvvjgbof1avj...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:06 AM, Paul E Condon wrote: > Phishing is not virus. Phishing is play tricks on your mind and > senses. Finding ways to make you believe things that are not true. To > the extent that your environment is known to the phishers they have > you at a disadvantage. Note that I said that the phisher attacks you, > not the software that you are using. The warning is half in jest. The > world is not chock full of evil people, really. And the best way to avoid is to type the website rather to click some link. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahbplro7nszsmwt5oi87nodjxkj6pk1cfs0p9yxewnbu8fw...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Gilles Mocellin wrote: > It seems that your mail client breaks threads. > I see all your mails as new threads, disconnected from thoses you're > responded to. Yes it is agreed because I heard it a type of Mozilla bug too! I am not sure of it and that's why have decided to set-up a mail client. RIght and for the time being, I am just replying (from the "Reply" button) and in the browser like Opera or Firefox. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahbplrmnidine_i1b6sp_z-kpd7+-wprpljjda4yvm1hd0h...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Everything can be hacked, it's a race! Agreed but what I meant is that as soon as something is hacked/prone to be hacked, developers can do the proper required patching or editing the code so that the existing hole can be blocked. If a further such a possibility arises, they again do so by looking at the code and thus process is endlessYes its a race! I guess our life is a race! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAHBpLRNA1OYPdCn+g_HYOTyBBsVQYbhc55yU=km+2-xqt5c...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Since you're using KDE (IIRC), start with using KMail. If you should use > a MUA based on something else, but Qt, you might experience theme and > icon issues. Those issues can be solved, but then you need to install > more dependencies than you might want to install and you need to learn > more, than you want to learn at the beginning. > The most important to know about dependencies is that KDE is based on Qt > and much other software is based on GTK. GTK3 IMO has a special (bad) > status, very common is GTK2 too. There are rumors about GTK3 I won't > spread now and GTK2 is outdated. > I don't like Kmail, but regarding to dependencies, it _seems_ to be the > most reliable MUA. > All MUAs do their job, all MUAs have advantages and drawbacks. The > "philosophy" of Linux is self-responsibility, IOW you need to find out > yourself what's good for you. > You can use all of the mentioned MUAs. > Kmail, Evolution, Sylpheed-Claws, Thunderbird/Icedove and Opera, they > all are usable. Regarding to security there are other options, that are > independent of the used MUA, e.g. encryption. You concluded very well. I guess I must start with KMail because of the K-factor (yes, I am on KDE). And then later can try Thunderbird and Evolution. I just asked about Thunderbird with a bit more emphasis because I just heard it here and therewith some priorityWell, I didn't know about what that priority was.But the bottom line: use any one and then check. While sitting on Linux, I feel this is very correct: "Linux is self-responsibility". -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahbplrm7rou8vvpzibsdaobelabwejrxr52gf6rwzmizo_2...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > You already said: "I guess our life is a race!" > and we know the end of the race ;), the end is some kind of "issue" ;p. The end is not any kind of issue because the end is sure and this is known. If you call it an issue, I can call it an event. But the conclusion: "sure to happen" and is no more a bug! I said that seeing what really happens. Race..ok, but race towards death because that is the ultimate value assigned to any living creature...But then calling life a race is not bad, we have to do something until we are living on this earth. So we are in the race of life! Enough off-topic deviation. I close this thread now since the conclusions is received. And I see some thingsand then ask if I get confused Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahbplrm4rc9uam9ztey+tiynx2--7nkwtxvqwpjbwq2paij...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 08:19:27 AM John Hasler wrote: > Gnus is very different from all other MUAs. Well. -- Thanks & Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2895265.3e4brdh...@linux-5rxn.site
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 08:16:33 AM John Hasler wrote: > > Google is great I agree but only it should not collect one's personal > > information > It won't collect anything you don't give it. Google search works fine > with no Google account, no scripts, no cookies, and no referrers. Doesn't it store cookies? Then I was in different impression. -- Thanks & Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4151514.k1y5vdc...@linux-5rxn.site
Re: "Best Mail Client" - Was: [closed] A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 02:42:10 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Then it's time for me to post this link: > http://dot.kde.org/2004/11/02/kontactkmail-awarded-best-mail-client > KMail was an award winner, for being the best GUI MUA. I disagree ;), > for me there still is no best or "less best". I had this in mind, when > you started the thread :p, but I could resist to mention this. I guess the world goes like this: It is not necessary that each and every thing would be liked by every individual. But they give award to what majority says. Like if in a survery 100 users opt for KMails and claim it the best (of course, for their use), while 10 yes no, obviously the award winning client would be the KMail. But generally, since it works or has worked for more no. of people, it would be okay to say that it works in general. But again, as you mentioned and you have not liked it, I guess there must be some personal requriements which were not fulfiled by KMail when you might have used it. Note: This message is sent from KMail which I have configured right now. Can one pleaes let me know if there is any option of Spell-checker or the default dictionary in KMail...(like the one exists when one composes e-mail in Gmail)....? -- Thanks & Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/3109375.qcjlkvs...@linux-5rxn.site
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 05:00:49 PM Siard wrote: > JH means: Google search still works fine when you refuse cookies. Oh I see, you mean like using BetterPrivacy type Addons...right. -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2860836.rpijebt...@linux-5rxn.site
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 10:12:50 AM John Hasler wrote: > You don't need addons to refuse cookies. Well, what I know is that by default it saves and it never prompted me to ask if to store or not. By my own decision I had to install Better Privacy and then I was assured for it. Can you please elaborate the other method...? -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/3035940.prtvafv...@linux-5rxn.site
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 11:02:17 AM John Hasler wrote: > Iceweasel -> Preferences -> Privacy -> follow instructions Or: Firefox -> Preferences -> Privacy -> follow instructions Thanks. -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2623376.naxl82t...@linux-5rxn.site
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 11:56:34 AM Jerry Stuckle wrote: > Cookies themselves are not evil. It's how some marketers have used > cookies that is evil. Unless you did a bank transaction! -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/138612159.i5u4yq6...@linux-5rxn.site
Re: "Best Mail Client" - Was: [closed] A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 12:46:05 PM Brad Alexander wrote: > I like kmail's interfaces. It's just the backend encryption that has a > problem. For whatever reason, it won't let me decrypt and add my s/mime > certificate on my installation at work, and at home, it uses gpg Can you please let me know what does that mean, backend encryption I meant. If it has encryption, it could rather be better, in my views. -- Regards, AP
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 01:15:21 PM Jerry Stuckle wrote: > And exactly what is wrong with using cookies on a bank transaction? > In fact, all banks I know of need to use cookies to manage signons. > It's how the bank (or any site that uses signons) knows which computer > is signed on. > You obviously don't understand how cookies work and how they are needed > on websites. No. Actually what I was in impression of was that there are LSOs which collect the user's information, like which websites they visit so often, what type of things they like to surf so that it aids in their marketing strategy (by whatsoever method...) and thus even if it breaks a millionth part of privacy, its a concern then! Having cookies in Firefox is not an issue because websites cannot work without it. Like even one cannot open Gmail. It say "cookies disabled" but the crisis generates when cookies reside permanently. Thank God, I found the option "Delete cookies as soon as I close Firefox" so that they remain active untill the duration I have opend any instance of Firefox and diappear afterwards permanently. Installing Better Privacy Add-on servers the same purpose though. I came to know this. Still I would be interested to know if I am in absolutely wrong impression. -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/10915662.lklx35h...@linux-5rxn.site
Re: "Best Mail Client" - Was: [closed] A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 07:05:50 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I can see it in the header of your mail: > "KMail/4.10.5 (Linux/3.7.10-1.16-desktop; KDE/4.10.5; i686; ; )" FWIW, > your mail seems to be perfect :) but I didn't check if the thread is > ok ;). Oh Okay. How can headers be read in KMail...? Is it 'View Source' option which appears on right clicking near any message in the Inbox of KMail? But if it is that, it is pretty small or it misses some details which are visible from Gmail interface. I am amazed to see that even it shows the things like the version of Linux and KDEamazing! > Spell checking is possible, I'm not booted to my Kubunt where I use > KMail too, so I can't say how it can be activated right now, but spell > checking definitively is possible. I'm a dyslexic and spell checking is > a default for all MUAs I use ... but not really helpful. Spell checking > doesn't notice the difference between "be" and "bee" or "then" and > "than", it still allows me to write as an idiot :D. Well, I found "ABC Spell Checking" but it seems ridiculous. It even says there is no work like 'KDE'. LOL..., I just wanted something which could underline the words which have wrong spellings so that the user can see which one to rectify; like the Gmail compose option has. -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1567599.1ooktb1...@linux-5rxn.site
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 02:38:38 PM Jerry Stuckle wrote: > >> And the best way to avoid is to type the website rather to click some > >> link. > I think what he's referring to is the visible link normally has a > recognizable website such as www.example.com, while the actual link > takes you to www.invalid.com. > If you always type in the website name, you can't be misdirected like > that. Any website subject to phishing will say the same thing - PayPal, > for instance. Also my bank. Yes. Typing the website avoids phishing! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/3390403.y2mgksv...@linux-5rxn.site
Re: plese stop Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 01:27:31 PM David Guntner wrote: > There's a Debian > "Off Topic" list for that, and you bloody well know it. Well, email client discussion is off-topic...? A wonder...! -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1783027.b28vxjb...@linux-5rxn.site
Re: "Best Mail Client" - Was: [closed] A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Tuesday, December 03, 2013 11:40:24 PM Neal Murphy wrote: > > Oh Okay. How can headers be read in KMail...? > Tap 'v'. Oh thanks...Long long description...covered every detail, I believe.... -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2013170.3do2ivi...@linux-5rxn.site
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 07:57:18 AM John Hasler wrote: > Not true in general. The vast majority of the sites I use work fine > with no cookies (and without scripts). I meant in general and most of the websites means websites like youtube, facebook, google, dictionary, pogo, yahoo which end users use most of the times. -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1395765.vplzmzs...@linux-5rxn.site
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 08:32:27 AM John Hasler wrote: > Youtube requires scripts but not cookies. Google search requires > neither. Wiktionary requires neither. Visiting public Facebook pages > requires neither. Yahoo search requires neither. Then I need to correct myself. I was in wrong impression really. Thanks for clariying this!! -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/8252238.fbfwm8j...@linux-5rxn.site
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 09:53:09 AM Jerry Stuckle wrote: > I keep cookies, because they're also used for other things. For > instance, the "Remember me" checkbox on a site will store a cookie on > your system which contains your userid and password (hopefully > encrypted!). That way I don't have to sign on manually every time I > visit a site. > I do have third-party cookies disabled, however, and do check my cookies > at times just to see what is there. Fair reasons. -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2708593.mei6l2u...@linux-5rxn.site
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
Lisi wrote: > I shall now null-file you as I have done with Ralph. I have had > enough of your unpleasantness. I was had any unpleasantness with you but okay.Better is to confabulate over lists, at least with you. -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2150332.dcftvyf...@linux-5rxn.site
Re: hi
Lisi wrote: > I believe Xfce. > I gave my granddaughter a laptop (second hand!) some years ago and > administered it for her. We ended up with OpenSUSE as the only > distro we could find that her school wi-fi would agree to talk to - > it was, not surprisingly, but sadly, set up basically for Windows. > She liked it and used it for four years until her father gave her a > Macbook Pro. It is a well regarded distro - tho' a bit cutting edge > for some! As I say, she liked it and was happy with it. And it was > not hard work to maintain for her. > You have a life outside computers, I imagine. ;-) Okay if Linus is using Xfce now a days. But the sole reason you put for it was KDE 4.10.5 which I guess is not complete...there could be other reasons like he might want to test Xfce...so I really don't know about it... Great to know that you give your grand-daughter a nice gift, she would start learning things from a small age:-) Because you prefer a trouble free life...;)- BTW, you must be admin or handling some computers and thus you feel Debian is the best choice. Two small doubts are as follows: [1] All those messges (of KMail) occupy the computers' space. Now, during reinstallation/upgradation of the operating system, these all mails are downloaded back or should/must be taken as back-up? [2] If I have written something offline, it should be save. But as soon as I become online, the mailes from the Drafts are automatically sent? Or it is manually required to send those mails? Yes, it is better to mail on lists rather to mail privately if you really don't prefer it -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2378882.canwjkf...@linux-5rxn.site
Re: hi
Lisi wrote: > I believe Xfce. > I gave my granddaughter a laptop (second hand!) some years ago and > administered it for her. We ended up with OpenSUSE as the only > distro we could find that her school wi-fi would agree to talk to - > it was, not surprisingly, but sadly, set up basically for Windows. > She liked it and used it for four years until her father gave her a > Macbook Pro. It is a well regarded distro - tho' a bit cutting edge > for some! As I say, she liked it and was happy with it. And it was > not hard work to maintain for her. > You have a life outside computers, I imagine. ;-) Okay if Linus is using Xfce now a days. But the sole reason you put for it was KDE 4.10.5 which I guess is not complete...there could be other reasons like he might want to test Xfce...so I really don't know about it... Great to know that you give your grand-daughter a nice gift, she would start learning things from a small age:-) Because you prefer a trouble free life...;)- BTW, you must be admin or handling some computers and thus you feel Debian is the best choice. Two small doubts are as follows: [1] All those messges (of KMail) occupy the computers' space. Now, during reinstallation/upgradation of the operating system, these all mails are downloaded back or should/must be taken as back-up? [2] If I have written something offline, it should be save. But as soon as I become online, the mailes from the Drafts are automatically sent? Or it is manually required to send those mails? Yes, it is better to mail on lists rather to mail privately if you really don't prefer it -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1683477.xthvr5p...@linux-5rxn.site
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 08:45:26 PM you wrote: > Lisi wrote: > > I shall now null-file you as I have done with Ralph. I have had > > enough of your unpleasantness. > > I was had any unpleasantness with you but okay.Better is to confabulate > over lists, at least with you. Correction: I meant I never had any unpleasant with you which you have with me or with Ralph. -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1560478.dlbsknc...@linux-5rxn.site
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 03:28:20 PM you wrote: > It is in the code of conduct that private messages should not be > posted on list. Especiallly some time after I thought that we had > resolved the differences. :-/ As I said, I had un-null-filed you. > This really isn't relevant to Debian and shouldn't be on list. Yeah that's why you and I confabulated otherwise but you say all this on lists, so this should not be there -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4546057.sntqsp9...@linux-5rxn.site
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 10:43:43 AM John Hasler wrote: > Note that all of the sites I mentioned attempt to send cookies and run > scripts, and try to convince you that by refusing them you are missing > out on something terribly important. Most sites do this. In most cases > they work fine if you ignore them. In most cases where they don't > taking your business elsewhere works fine. But earlier you said they don't store cookies on PC...Ok you mean they ask? > In many cases cookies are justified. In a few scripts are. Third-party > cookies are never justified. I have had sites attempt to shove as many > as fifty cookies at me. I never go back to them. Yeah ok. -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/11457231.j2asfai...@linux-5rxn.site
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 01:00:44 PM Jerry Stuckle wrote: > As for the logins - I also let the browser store usernames and passwords > (encrypted, of course). How this particular step you achieve? -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2975868.ktmnhtg...@linux-5rxn.site
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 11:42:56 AM John Hasler wrote:
> > But earlier you said they don't store cookies on PC...Ok you mean they
> > ask?
> They offer cookies but continue to allow access when you refuse them.
Well this is okay...Just refuse and still surf...:-)
> Other ways to handle unwanted cookies (which Firefox/Iceweasel doesn't
> offer) is to either accept the cookie and save it to /dev/null or delete
> it when the tab is closed ("Delete at end of session" does not suffice
> as I often leave Iceweasel running for weeks).
Oh if you let the browser open for weeks, then certainly it won't work for
youI shut down the PC after an hour or two...(I am only an end user...),
so okay...
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Re: Best Mail Client
On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 07:26:22 PM Weaver wrote: > I'm not finding this. > But then I'm not running KMail as a solo app, either. I'm running it in > coordination with the full kdepim package, so if some are having trouble > with it, there could be some interdependency factor involved. > The best mail client depends completely on individual need. I have basic > business requirement and Kontact takes care of what I need without a full > Kolab install on a server, but if I were to grow, that facility is there. > If I were a solo user, I wouldn't go to this trouble or footprint, and > just use something like icedove with iceowl extension or claws mail. > Cheers! Fine. -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/38507651.wow1kv9...@linux-5rxn.site
Re: Best Mail Client
On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 07:26:22 PM Weaver wrote: > The best mail client depends completely on individual need. Got it! Thanks. -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2433159.praxxbq...@linux-5rxn.site
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Wednesday, December 04, 2013 01:19:04 PM Jerry Stuckle wrote: > It varies somewhat by release, but it's under Options in the Tools menu > entry. Ok well. -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/2177361.t3ch8mg...@linux-5rxn.site
Re: My apologies
And if any one of the folks here might have told me initially that it could be asked in off list, I had no issues asking there! I just thought things work in Linux anywhere and everywherewe need to select the things...so I just thought this for questions too!!! But now its known. -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahbplro6ke-7spqyssdisgj9remvy8ans_rn6msythm_bfe...@mail.gmail.com
Re: My apologies
I really had no issues posting queries to the deb-off list, provided I knew the option of its existence Well, I today itself joined the debian off-topic. But as a matter of interest, would like to ask that is rarely used by guys? Since there was no message I got...or may be none posted there...Whatever, can one please clarify this about off-list...? Thanks. -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/13868607.axjrb0j...@linux-5rxn.site
Re: Best Mail Client
On Thursday, December 05, 2013 05:56:12 PM maderios wrote: > It depends what you need... Imap facilities (automatic updates, > creating/deleting folders, emptying junk) are very important for me. I > tested many mail clients, claws-mail, sylpheed, icedove/thunderbird, > balsa, kmail, evolution, mutt, iceape. > - the best is Icedove/Thunderbird. It works perfectly. > - I like claws-mail too but it's very slow with Imap. It's ok with pop3. Oh thanks.. But can you move this to the off-topic list or somewhere and point me that link...so that I can ask there...:-) -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1790755.tl5j5y8...@linux-5rxn.site
Re: My apologies
On Thursday, December 05, 2013 05:05:12 PM Rick Thomas wrote: > Naming no names; There have been a couple of what I would regard as > belligerent and confrontational replies to this posting. I found Ralph's > original apology to be gentlemanly and entirely appropriate. The > belligerent replies were completely out of place. > We're all friends here. Let's keep it civil, shall we folks? I very well respect your views and agree. But some people like Robert Holtzman really don't seem to understand this.they just use absurd languade...foul comes.....I have to go... -- Regards, AP -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/16310866.qq5e0yr...@linux-5rxn.site
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 4:38 AM, Neal Murphy wrote: > Since most users are not experts, they deserve to have 'the right tools' at > their fingertips. And this is necessary if Linux is made to be used in every home like earlier Windows was being used! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAHBpLRMLC-i2SpAcnpjmoVmopgEuGvk6LEe=o8dqahft6cm...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 8:28 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > Linux isn't an opponent to other OSes. Agreed and one should not be. But if such utilities which can be easily used by end users, then its a plus point and really good. Anything tough is that every knows its typical to understand but making the complicated very simple, awesome simple -- that's creativity! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahbplro60vfonwdt3heau5co78kzduze15rv7fsdaznusgg...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 11:07 PM, Atle Solbakken wrote: > The reason why most people don't have Linux-distros on their home box is > because no-one is forcing people to use it. Linux-distros are decentralized > projects with no intention of making any money and therefore no need to make > people using it. Geeks, like me, often ends up with Linux because they want > to be the computers boss, not the computers slave. > I feel for adding a few things about user-friendlyness. > Debian does not come with any centralized registry which helps all this > trash Joe talks about to hide away. Windows puts preferences of installed > programs, Windows itself, information about file types, hardware +++ into > this registry file which just grows and grows every week making your box > slower and slower, ultimatly forcing you to re-install everything. This > registry is the root of all evil on Windows, let me compare Microsofts > solutions using the registry with Debians methods. > In Debian, there's in very few cases any need to install or configure any > hardware drivers, everything is fixed for you automagically every boot. You > can take a hard drive with Debian out from one box and move it to another > box with different hardware, and it'll just auto-detect everything when you > boot it. That's user friendly. > Windows would have needed to 'install' loads of drivers (install == putting > more garbage into the registry) on the first boot, you would need to > download loads of drivers for graphics, sound etc. (more registry pollution) > and then you would need to buy another licence because Gates detects that > the hardware is different. > Every program in Debian is itself responsible for storing it's own settings, > usually in the per-user home directories (Firefox puts stuff in > /home/xxx/.mozilla for instance). If you want to delete the Firefox > settings, just delete the folder. In Windows, you have no easy way to remove > a programs preferences. > A Debian package is mostly just an archive with some files in it. When a > package is installed, the files are copied to the file system. If the > program needs to start on boot, like a server, it puts startup scripts into > dedicated directories. Some programs also have configuration files, usually > located in /etc/. When the package is removed, the files are deleted. > When you install or uninstall a program on Windows, you have no guarantee > that the people who made the software have writes their uninstall code > properly. Many programs leaves loads of stuff behind (registry trash) when > uninstalled. > Debian provides a set of high quality packages which properly cleans up > after themselves on uninstall. Thanks for this great explanation Atle. But using Debian would require a user to know such basic aspects before hand and it is expectedI hope in the future, Linux would be more and more popular every whereI wonder why I was using Windows! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CAHBpLRPByM7Lgu8+-a=ateRthjX_vk=cehsvecptap9txw8...@mail.gmail.com
Re: A rookie's query: Want to about Debian and the related
On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 12:32 AM, Gary Roach wrote: > In a linux, open source system the software is constantly changing with minor > improvements and bug fixes so there can be 2 or 3 changes a day in your > software. Many of these are security fixes that are important. With RPM's it > is very hard to stay on top of such changes. With Debian it is a no brainer. Well, agreed but RPM also updates all thatAnd in Debian, I think we have to download the whole package again for newer updates whereas in RPM it just downloads the required patches. Both (DEB or RPM) are thus fully updated. But why there is a barrier in RPM if you say -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/cahbplrobqq_o-nme72rh9ckjcx3arxyxsxp7y2catpj0tmn...@mail.gmail.com
