Re: Debian for Limited memory

[Tim Woodall]

On Tue, 16 Jul 2024, Michael Kj?rling wrote:


Debian 12 will boot in 256 MB RAM (I think that's the minimum
supported configuration on amd64, which your VPS very likely is) and a


One annoying "feature" I've found if you create the disk image on
another machine is that 'modules=dep' often won't boot and
'modules=most' won't boot on low ram machines.

There are obvious ways around this but it can be confusing, especially
where you're booting blind or near blind and need it to at least get to
a point where you can write a log for investigating on another machine.

debian 12 will boot in 256MB happily although I think a 'modules=most'
initrd needs 512MB on and64 at least.

Re: umask - default user settings?

[Tim Woodall]

On Mon, 15 Jul 2024, Jeffrey Walton wrote:



Debian is a multi-user operating system. Decisions should be made accordingly.

I suppose umask is a moot point on phones and tablets, where
single-user is often the use case.



umask 077 can come with its own problems when using shared directories.

years ago I used to use cvs pserver specifically to finesse this
problem. Now that (almost) everybody uses a remote git server it's less
relevant there.

I'm not a sudo user but IIUC, root inherits the umask, which can then
cause problems when things can't read config files that should be world
readable.

Rather than change umask, I'd suggest that the better change is to make
home directories 0700 by default. If that is the wrong choice then it
only has to be fixed once per user. Creating 'world/group' readable
files with too restrictive permissions never goes away.

Re: Debian for Limited memory

[Greg Wooledge]

On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 14:36:21 +0800, Jeff Pang wrote:
> I plan to use it for MX backup.
> So the application ram is quite low (postfix consume few resources)

In that case, I'd go for the most recent version of Debian you can
run on whatever kernel you're using.  Hopefully the current stable
release (Debian 12), but you'll need to look into all the details
of your VPS.

Re: VirtualBox (VB) and Windows on Debian

[Tom Browder]

On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 01:45 jeremy ardley  wrote:
...

I appreciate your and others views on the Windows version I'm using. I am
using
10 only because it's the only one I still have a key for, and I was able to
find a downloadable iso file.

I would happily use an older Windows if it has the capability to build the
libraries
needed to run Rakudo. A brief search shows that Win 7 might work, and legit
versions are available. But are legit isos around for ease of installation?

Thanks.

-Tom

Re: VirtualBox (VB) and Windows on Debian

[Tom Browder]

On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 06:20 Tom Browder  wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 01:45 jeremy ardley 
> wrote:
> ...
>
> I appreciate your and others views on the Windows version I'm using. I am
> using
> 10 only because it's the only one I still have a key for, and I was able
> to find a downloadable iso file.
>

I see   offers Win 7 Pro key and link to
ISO. Anyone use them?

-Tom

>

Re: hplip: hp-check error in line 630 since last update

[Daniel Schröter]

Hello Brad,

thanks for this information. Sounds more then similar ;-)

I'm going to close my bug report

Bye

Re: purely local DNS

[Adam Weremczuk]

Thanks for the hint Todd.

I've replaced it with:

smtp_dns_support_level = disabled

and it's still working as expected.

---
Adam

On 15/07/2024 18:49, Todd Zullinger wrote:



It's probably worth noting that `disable_dns_lookups` has
been deprecated for a long time.  The postconf(5) man page
says:

 As of Postfix 2.11, this parameter is deprecated; use
 smtp_dns_support_level instead.

(Debian 12 has postfix-3.7.11; well past postfix-2.11.)

I don't know if `smtp_dns_support_level` is needed at all
with `smtp_host_lookup = native`.  I've never run an MTA
where I wanted DNS lookups disabled, so I don't have any
direct experience.

If it is needed, you'd surely be better off avoiding the
long-deprecated `disable_dns_lookups` parameter which will
just set you up for failure with some future update.

Re: hplip: hp-check error in line 630 since last update

[Brad Rogers]

On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 13:55:55 +0200
Daniel Schröter  wrote:

Hello Daniel,

>thanks for this information. Sounds more then similar ;-)

:-)

Thought so.  

I implemented the fix here, and can confirm hplip is up and running
again.

Good luck.

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Re: umask - default user settings?

[Max Nikulin]

On 17/07/2024 15:37, Tim Woodall wrote:

umask 077 can come with its own problems when using shared directories.




Taking into account old 022 vs. 002 discussions it might be 007.


I'm not a sudo user but IIUC, root inherits the umask, which can then
cause problems when things can't read config files that should be world
readable.


Do you mean the following bug or something else?

login: su - doesn't set umask
Fixed in version pam/1.5.3-1
Tue, 16 Jan 2024 00:19:23 +


Rather than change umask, I'd suggest that the better change is to make
home directories 0700 by default.


The topic starter believes it is not enough

Mon, 15 Jul 2024 09:04:54 +0200

However I would not mind to read more details what use cases are not 
covered. /tmp?

Re: umask - default user settings?

[Greg Wooledge]

On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 22:10:28 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote:
> Do you mean the following bug or something else?
> 
> login: su - doesn't set umask
> Fixed in version pam/1.5.3-1
> Tue, 16 Jan 2024 00:19:23 +

Huh... given the age of the bug, I expected this was something already
done in bookworm, but it's not.

hobbit:/etc/pam.d$ grep -i umask *
hobbit:/etc/pam.d$ grep -i mask *
hobbit:/etc/pam.d$ 

Bookworm has PAM package version 1.5.2-6+deb12u1, not 1.5.3.  Looks like
this change was only made this year, and therefore won't appear until
Debian 13.

This makes me wonder what's setting umask *now*.  Is it still PAM, just
using a compile-time default instead of a value that's discoverable in
a conffile?

Also, this confused me:

hobbit:/etc/pam.d$ dpkg -S /etc/pam.d/common-session
dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /etc/pam.d/common-session

Where does that file come from, then?  The installer?  Oh wait, there are
postinst scripts

hobbit:~$ grep common-session /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.postinst
/var/lib/dpkg/info/libpam-runtime.postinst: for configfile in common-auth 
common-account common-session  \
/var/lib/dpkg/info/libpam-runtime.postinst:   
"$DPKG_ROOT"/etc/pam.d/common-session.pam-old

So I guess that file comes from libpam-runtime, but it's not managed
like a regular conffile.  I suppose there was some reason for this, even
if I can't guess it.

Re: umask - default user settings?

[Max Nikulin]

On 15/07/2024 09:15, Alan D. Salewski wrote:
I suspect that most people /do/ change it, once they become aware of it, 
for the very reason stated in the comment above 'UMASK' in the 
/etc/login.defs file:



     # UMASK is the default umask value for pam_umask and is used by
     # useradd and newusers to set the mode of the new home directories.
     # 022 is the "historical" value in Debian for UMASK
     # 027, or even 077, could be considered better for privacy
     # There is no One True Answer here : each sysadmin must make up 
his/her

     # mind.
     ...
     UMASK   022



Have you tried to change it?



pam_umask: umask in /etc/login.defs not respected cause libpam_umask is 
not configured

Fixed in versions pam/1.5.3-1, pam/1.5.3-4
Wed, 28 Feb 2024 05:31:34 +

Not to mention systemd user sessions discussed in another branch of this 
thread.

w4sp-lab

[Aleix Piulachs]

installing w4sp-lab in Kali-linux-2024.2-installer-everything-amd64.iso
gives me an error when I press w4sp_webapp.py in python module error:
import w4sp and error in module: from w4sp_app import * and I cannot change
the w4sp or * how do I do it?

Re: Bug Report

[Max Nikulin]

On 16/07/2024 15:13, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

Richard Bostrom wrote:

Bug in my opinion.

/etc/resolv.conf does not block out pornography

[...]

I'd put it in other words: DNS doesn't serve porn :-)


Are you sure that no troll have put some funny ASCII-art in their txt 
records?


And /etc/resolv.conf may just point to localhost:
nameserver 127.0.0.53

Beware of a clever investigator who may accuse users who store it in 
local DNS cache.


Actually Sony tried to suit a DNS provider for not blocking some domains

Quad9 Turns the Sony Case Around in Dresden. December 6, 2023

P.S. Richard, please, have a look at

and compare your subject with other threads.

Re: umask - default user settings?

[Tim Woodall]

On Wed, 17 Jul 2024, Max Nikulin wrote:


On 17/07/2024 15:37, Tim Woodall wrote:

umask 077 can come with its own problems when using shared directories.




Taking into account old 022 vs. 002 discussions it might be 007.


I'm not a sudo user but IIUC, root inherits the umask, which can then
cause problems when things can't read config files that should be world
readable.


Do you mean the following bug or something else?


No, I'm talking about sudo, not su. I'm not a sudo user so I can't test
but my understanding is that root inherits the umask of the invoking
user (or it used to)

Re: umask - default user settings?

[Greg Wooledge]

On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 17:58:57 +0100, Tim Woodall wrote:
> No, I'm talking about sudo, not su. I'm not a sudo user so I can't test
> but my understanding is that root inherits the umask of the invoking
> user (or it used to)

Looks like this is still true.

hobbit:~$ bash
hobbit:~$ umask 077
hobbit:~$ umask
0077
hobbit:~$ sudo -s
[sudo] password for greg: 
root@hobbit:/home/greg# umask
0077
root@hobbit:/home/greg# exit
exit
hobbit:~$ sudo -i
root@hobbit:~# umask
0077
root@hobbit:~# exit
logout
hobbit:~$ sudo bash -c umask
0077
hobbit:~$ umask 022
hobbit:~$ sudo bash -c umask
0022

Kali Linux problem and support question [WAS Re: w4sp-lab]

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 05:52:47PM +0200, Aleix Piulachs wrote:
> installing w4sp-lab in Kali-linux-2024.2-installer-everything-amd64.iso
> gives me an error when I press w4sp_webapp.py in python module error:
> import w4sp and error in module: from w4sp_app import * and I cannot change
> the w4sp or * how do I do it?

Hi Aleix,

Please go and read the FAQ that I post almost every month on this list.

Kali is _derived_ from Debian and isn't Debian. As such, I'd respectfully
suggest that you go and find Kali support elsewhere.

Thanks for reading, with every good wish as ever

Andrew Cater
(amaca...@debian.org)

Re: umask - default user settings?

[Franco Martelli]

On 16/07/24 at 15:46, Greg Wooledge wrote:

I've added a bit of content to .



On 17/07/24 at 04:37, Max Nikulin wrote:
daemon-reload is not enough in KDE. krunner and plasmashell services 
have been started already, so changes would not apply despite they are 
visible in "systemctl --user show-environment". Perhaps launchers just 
do not listen for a proper D-Bus signal emitted by systemd user daemon.

The same applies for environment.d.

So logout is necessary.


If you plan to add your contribute to the wiki page (see above) in the 
section: "Desktop Environments and systemd user services" e.g.:


- ...
- systemctl --user daemon-reload
- /Restart your Desktop session/

Please consider also to specify the Desktop you use, because newbies 
don't know nothing about: "Some Desktop Environments launch programs via 
systemd user services." Which Desktop? IMO it's better to add /(like 
KDE)/ and changing the statement in this way: "Some Desktop Environments 
(like KDE) launch programs via systemd user services."


Just my 2¢ tips, thanks
--
Franco Martelli

Re: VirtualBox (VB) and Windows on Debian

[sd]

On Wednesday, 17 July 2024 01:48:33 BST jeremy ardley wrote:
> On 17/7/24 05:47, DdB wrote:
[snip 
> Out of interest I have installed Windows XP under VirtualBox. It runs
> really fast compared to the later bloatware versions of Windows.

I installed XP (SP3) under KVM/QEMU (IDE disk). I wanted to install Win7 but 
discovered my Win7 was an upgrade disk. I'd lost the XP key. Fortunately 
copious amount of beer was involved else I'd never have thought of actually 
phoning the registration helpline. It worked. This was in the UK, Jan 2nd 
2023!

I just fired it up. It does run fast. I never progressed with it as the reason 
to have Win7 went away.

Re: umask - default user settings?

[Greg Wooledge]

On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 20:51:40 +0200, Franco Martelli wrote:
> If you plan to add your contribute to the wiki page (see above) in the
> section: "Desktop Environments and systemd user services" e.g.:
> 
> - ...
> - systemctl --user daemon-reload
> - /Restart your Desktop session/
> 
> Please consider also to specify the Desktop you use, because newbies don't
> know nothing about: "Some Desktop Environments launch programs via systemd
> user services." Which Desktop?

Well, that's the problem, isn't it?  *We* don't know either, because
most of us don't use one!

I'm doing the best I can trying to document these systems that I don't
use personally.  It would be *nice* if their developers would document
them, so we wouldn't have to reverse engineer how they work and come up
with our own workarounds.  It's much, much harder when you can't even
reverse engineer one yourself, and instead have to rely on the reports
of other users.

Re: Kali Linux problem and support question [WAS Re: w4sp-lab]

[Bret Busby]

On 18/7/24 01:43, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 05:52:47PM +0200, Aleix Piulachs wrote:

installing w4sp-lab in Kali-linux-2024.2-installer-everything-amd64.iso
gives me an error when I press w4sp_webapp.py in python module error:
import w4sp and error in module: from w4sp_app import * and I cannot change
the w4sp or * how do I do it?


Hi Aleix,

Please go and read the FAQ that I post almost every month on this list.

Kali is _derived_ from Debian and isn't Debian. As such, I'd respectfully
suggest that you go and find Kali support elsewhere.

Thanks for reading, with every good wish as ever

Andrew Cater
(amaca...@debian.org)



This exists;

https://www.kali.org/community/

Users of Kali Linux, should peruse that web page.

From that web page, unfortunately, Kali Linux, like Linux Mint, and 
some of the BSD variants, does not provide an officially supported users 
mailing list, like Debian Linux provides this one, and Ubuntu Linux, 
with its users mailing list.


So, it is up to a user of software that does not have an officially 
supported users' mailing list, to create and administer a users' mailing 
list, like for some other Linux distributions and Thunderbird and 
Firefox, as has happened at groups.io  (https://groups.io -> "Find or 
Create a Group").


And, remember the proverb; "Every journey of a thousand leagues, starts 
with the first step".


..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..

Re: VirtualBox (VB) and Windows on Debian

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Tue, Jul 16, 2024 at 1:35 PM jeremy ardley  wrote:
>
> On 16/7/24 19:31, Tom Browder wrote:
> > I haven't looked at VB in a long time, but I have a real need for a
> > Windows host
> > to port some Linux libraries to Windows in order to support the Raku
> > language.
> >
> > I now have lots of memory and disk space which was always a significant
> > issue when I used it before, and my use case is much different. Then I
> > was trying to show Windows users how they could run Linux, now I want to
> > help Windows folks to use a new programming language that was developed
> > on *nix systems.
> >
> > Thus my question is: Has anyone use a recent version of VB to run
> > Windows with satisfactory results? (Note I still have a legal copy of
> > Win 10 on a CD as well as a portable DVD player with a USB connector.)
> >
> > Thank you my fellow Debian users!
>
> VirtualBox is not supported on Debian 12.
>
> There are alternatives that include:
>
> - KVM/QEMU
>
> - VMWare Workstation Pro (which is now free for private use)
>
> In my experience KVM/QEMU is fairly stable. The VMWare product not so much.
>
> Given everything is virtual you can easily try all options in an hour or
> two.

Add a "mee too" for KVM/QEMU/libvirt. The components are managed by
the kernel, so there are usually no technical problems, like unsigned
modules. Virt Manager takes a little getting used to, but everything
you need is there.

The only downside to KVM/QEMU/libvirt is networking in some cases.
Configuring a VM to use your local DHCP server is a pain because you
have to setup and configure the bridging yourself. And the
documentation to do it does not exist.

Jeff

kali and w4sp-lab

[Aleix Piulachs]

I am installing with virtualbox w4sp-lab to
kali-linux-2024.2-installer-everything-amd64.iso and the module (import
w4sp from w4sp_webapp.py ) gives an error: import os import re import sys
import pwd import time #docker handling code ( import w4sp and this module
fails) import argparse import netifaces import traceback import subprocess

Debian 12.6: Screen won't come back on if monitor is power cycled

[Johan Sjölin]

Hi!

Since upgrading to Debian 12.6, I've started to experience a very 
strange problem with my monitor. If I turn it off and later turn it on 
again, the screen won't come back on (no signal). Doesn't help if I 
press a key or a mouse button. The only way to recover from the blank 
screen situation is by pressing CTRL + ALT + F1 (which returns me to the 
GNOME login screen). I never had any similar problem before, either with 
earlier versions of Debian or multiple versions of Ubuntu.


Screen blanking is turned off.

My desktop computer (Intel NUC7i5BNK) is hooked up by DisplayPort to my 
monitor.


Is there anyone else experiencing this problem?

--

Johan Sjölin

Kali Linux support forum info [WAS Re: kali and w4sp-lab]

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 10:37:38PM +0200, Aleix Piulachs wrote:
> I am installing with virtualbox w4sp-lab to
> kali-linux-2024.2-installer-everything-amd64.iso and the module (import
> w4sp from w4sp_webapp.py ) gives an error: import os import re import sys
> import pwd import time #docker handling code ( import w4sp and this module
> fails) import argparse import netifaces import traceback import subprocess

Kali Linux Community and Support - start here https://www.kali.org/community/

Virtualbox - see another thread in debian-user today. Debian doesn't
support virtualbox any more in Debian stable because of difficulties
with upstream security support. If you have a Linux host, use
virt-manager with kvm/qemu.

Please format your lines if possible - I appreciate this might have
come from a phone but it is hard to read.

So: to break it down:

You are using Virtualbox for virtualisation - on what base operating
system? If it's on Windows - sorry, can't help further.

Did the installer work properly to give you a working instance of Kali
with networking?

I used a search engine to find out what w4sp was - Wireshark for Professionals
book. 

You have a Docker container in there with the lab - software and exercises
to work through?

A search engine is your friend here: if you are doing this for some
security certification, seek advice from your tutor. Maybe, if you don't
understand working with Linux, find some basic tutorials on line?

Hope this helps,

Andy
(amaca...@debian.org)

Re: Kali Linux support forum info [WAS Re: kali and w4sp-lab]

[Bret Busby]

On 18/7/24 05:22, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:

On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 10:37:38PM +0200, Aleix Piulachs wrote:

I am installing with virtualbox w4sp-lab to
kali-linux-2024.2-installer-everything-amd64.iso and the module (import
w4sp from w4sp_webapp.py ) gives an error: import os import re import sys
import pwd import time #docker handling code ( import w4sp and this module
fails) import argparse import netifaces import traceback import subprocess


Kali Linux Community and Support - start here https://www.kali.org/community/



Already posted, before the poster posted the same query again - the 
original poster apparently ignoring responses.


In the circumstances, I do not know whether it is some kind of troll, 
given your previous post regarding this, and, my previous post regarding 
this.


..
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..

Re: Debian 12.6: Screen won't come back on if monitor is power cycled

[Kent West]

On 7/17/24 3:55 PM, Johan Sjölin wrote:


Hi!

Since upgrading to Debian 12.6, I've started to experience a very 
strange problem with my monitor. If I turn it off and later turn it on 
again, the screen won't come back on (no signal). Doesn't help if I 
press a key or a mouse button. The only way to recover from the blank 
screen situation is by pressing CTRL + ALT + F1 (which returns me to 
the GNOME login screen). I never had any similar problem before, 
either with earlier versions of Debian or multiple versions of Ubuntu.


Screen blanking is turned off.

My desktop computer (Intel NUC7i5BNK) is hooked up by DisplayPort to 
my monitor.


Is there anyone else experiencing this problem?

--

Johan Sjölin



Try pressing a shift key a couple of times, and then blindly typing your 
user password. My guess is that the screensaver/lock is wonky.



--

Kent

Re: Kali Linux problem and support question [WAS Re: w4sp-lab]

[Nicholas Geovanis]

On Wed, Jul 17, 2024, 3:10 PM Bret Busby  wrote:

> On 18/7/24 01:43, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 05:52:47PM +0200, Aleix Piulachs wrote:
> >> installing w4sp-lab in Kali-linux-2024.2-installer-everything-amd64.iso
> >> gives me an error when I press w4sp_webapp.py in python module error:
> >> import w4sp and error in module: from w4sp_app import * and I cannot
> change
> >> the w4sp or * how do I do it?
> >
> > Hi Aleix,
> >
> > Please go and read the FAQ that I post almost every month on this list.
> >
> > Kali is _derived_ from Debian and isn't Debian. As such, I'd respectfully
> > suggest that you go and find Kali support elsewhere.
> >
> > Thanks for reading, with every good wish as ever
> >
> > Andrew Cater
> > (amaca...@debian.org)
> >
>
> This exists;
>
> https://www.kali.org/community/
>
> Users of Kali Linux, should peruse that web page.
>
>  From that web page, unfortunately, Kali Linux, like Linux Mint, and
> some of the BSD variants, does not provide an officially supported users
> mailing list, like Debian Linux provides this one, and Ubuntu Linux,
> with its users mailing list.
>

Are you intentionally ignoring the Kali Linux support forum which is hosted
at that same website? And if you want a gateway'd email list and web-based
forum working together, as some sites do (Canonical used to...), wouldn't
the best move be to ask that very same forum about their collective
thoughts?

So, it is up to a user of software that does not have an officially
> supported users' mailing list, to create and administer a users' mailing
> list, like for some other Linux distributions and Thunderbird and
> Firefox, as has happened at groups.io  (https://groups.io -> "Find or
> Create a Group").
>
> And, remember the proverb; "Every journey of a thousand leagues, starts
> with the first step".
>
> ..
> Bret Busby
> Armadale
> West Australia
> (UTC+0800)
> ..
>
>

Why is Firefox crashing so much lately?

[Gary Dale]

I'm running Debian/Trixie on an AMD64 system, using the Plasma 5 over X 
desktop. Firefox 115.12.0esr is crashing multiple times per day. It 
frequently happens when page I'm transfers to another page that creates 
a PDF or just has a complicated link. It's annoying.


To visit some pages, I have to use Chromium instead.  Earlier today I 
had to rename a sessionstore-backups json file because Firefox got 
caught in loop where it recognized it had a new tab open but the tab 
caused it to crash.


I also have found that at least one site refuses to work with 115. 
That's been going on for a while. Again, I have to use Chromium for that 
site.

Re: umask - default user settings?

[Max Nikulin]

On 17/07/2024 22:40, Greg Wooledge wrote:

hobbit:/etc/pam.d$ dpkg -S /etc/pam.d/common-session
dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /etc/pam.d/common-session

Where does that file come from, then?


This file contains the following:


# As of pam 1.0.1-6, this file is managed by pam-auth-update by default.


The tool has a brief man page. Files in pam.d need update when packages 
with pam modules are installed or removed. It seems similar to some 
other config file only a part of it is managed by a tool.


Taking into account a number of bugs, perhaps it is not really bad that 
recipes how to change umask are not easily available. Documentation 
should be extensive enough to describe possible pitfalls.

Re: umask - default user settings?

[Greg Wooledge]

On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 09:07:48 +0700, Max Nikulin wrote:
> Taking into account a number of bugs, perhaps it is not really bad that
> recipes how to change umask are not easily available. Documentation should
> be extensive enough to describe possible pitfalls.

That's an odd stance, especially if you consider that changing your umask
used to be literally a one-line change.  It still is, if you only use
the shell (locally or remotely).  It still is, if you use a shell login
plus startx plus a traditional window manager.

Even with a Display Manager login and a traditional WM, there are still
just two places you need to change.

It only becomes *hard* when Desktop Environments are introduced into the
picture.

Re: Why is Firefox crashing so much lately?

[eben]

On 7/17/24 21:25, Gary Dale wrote:

I'm running Debian/Trixie on an AMD64 system, using the Plasma 5 over X
desktop. Firefox 115.12.0esr is crashing multiple times per day. It
frequently happens when page I'm transfers to another page that creates a  > 
PDF or just has a complicated link. It's annoying.


I have Firefox 115.13.0esr and it rarely crashes for me, and I have dozens
of tabs open.  I use straight XFCE, no Plasma.  Could be it doesn't do PDFs
well?  I use Zathura to view PDFs.  It's rather ... "feature free", so I may
change.


I also have found that at least one site refuses to work with 115. That's
been going on for a while. Again, I have to use Chromium for that site.


Can you say what that site is?

--
   An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of
   being called an idea at all. -- Oscar Wilde

Re: Why is Firefox crashing so much lately?

[Mike Castle]

At my new job I've been using 115.12.0esr for about three weeks now,
with no crashes.  However, also XFCE.

At home, I use Mozilla's debian repo as described at
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux#w_install-firefox-deb-package-for-debian-based-distributions
for a while now, currently 128.0.  Also XFCE.  You could give that or
a manual install a try to see if it is still a problem outside of ESR.

mrc

w4sp-lab & wireshark

[Aleix Piulachs]

I can't install w4sp-lab with kali & wireshark many bugs How do i do it?

Re: Why is Firefox crashing so much lately?

[Van Snyder]

On Wed, 2024-07-17 at 22:17 -0400, e...@gmx.us wrote:
> On 7/17/24 21:25, Gary Dale wrote:
> > I'm running Debian/Trixie on an AMD64 system, using the Plasma 5
> > over X
> > desktop. Firefox 115.12.0esr is crashing multiple times per day. It
> > frequently happens when page I'm transfers to another page that
> > creates a  > PDF or just has a complicated link. It's annoying.

I upgraded from Debian 10 to Debian 12.5 "Bookworm." The NVidia 390
driver no longer works, so I had software rendering because nouveau
apparently can't do GPU rendering. Rather than crashing, the system
essentially froze. After waiting for a VERY long time, I would give up
and cycle power, with my reboot set up to start an empty session, not
the one I had going at time of the power cycle. I replaced the graphics
card with a Quadro K2200, which works with the nvidia-drivers package
that's still part of the Debian 12.5 distro. With GPU rendering, I no
longer have the problem.

I can't do that with my old Dell Vostro 1700 because the NVidia
graphics chip is soldered to the motherboard, and it needs the 340
driver, which is also no longer available.

I tried several of the methods discussed in this thread to get the
drivers working, but had no success. Maybe I was just holding my mouth
wrong.

> 
> 
> I have Firefox 115.13.0esr and it rarely crashes for me, and I have
> dozens
> of tabs open.  I use straight XFCE, no Plasma.  Could be it doesn't
> do PDFs
> well?  I use Zathura to view PDFs.  It's rather ... "feature free",
> so I may
> change.
> 
> > I also have found that at least one site refuses to work with 115.
> > That's
> > been going on for a while. Again, I have to use Chromium for that
> > site.
> 
> Can you say what that site is?
> 
> --
>     An idea that is not dangerous is unworthy of
>     being called an idea at all. -- Oscar Wilde
> 

Re: w4sp-lab & wireshark

[The Wanderer]

On 2024-07-17 at 22:43, Aleix Piulachs wrote:

> I can't install w4sp-lab with kali & wireshark many bugs How do i do
> it?

This is the third time within less than a day that you've posted a
variant of this same question to the debian-user mailing list. There
have been messages posted to the list in reply to your previous posts,
although some mail clients (including mine) do not appear to recognize
them as having been replies.

Given that you are using Gmail, you will not have seen copies of your
own message come back to you through the list. However, you should still
be receiving other messages from the list, and therefore should have
seen the other replies. Because you are reposting the same question, I
therefore suspect that you are not subscribed to the mailing list.

I am therefore CCing you on this message (with Reply-To set, such that
any replies will go back to the mailing list).


You should be able to see the replies via the Web interface for the
mailing list's archive. For this month, that interface can be found at:

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2024/07/

Your posts, and the replies, are currently visible on the second page.
(Via that interface, the replies do show up as replies.)


To briefly summarize the gist of those replies: although Kali Linux is
derived from Debian, it is not Debian, and therefore if you need support
for it you need to talk to the Kali Linux people. We who use Debian
itself do not have experience with the differences involved in Kali Linux.

The Kali Linux support forum can be found via:

https://www.kali.org/community/


I hope that may help point you in a more useful direction.

-- 
   The Wanderer

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all
progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw



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[Hardware support] Dell Vostro 15 3530

[Erik Eduardo Alcala Salero]

Good day,
I have been using Debian 12 stable in my dell vostro 15 3530, I wanted to ask 
if some one else is using this machine or having issues with the keyboard, I 
have manjaro installed also, when I boot and see the manjaro boot-loader the 
keyboard does not work, this was not the case in the past, just maybe since 3 
weeks ago when the problem started: I boot, some keys in the keyboard do not 
work and I have restart several times until I can press the enter key to log in 
into debian, any help is much appreciated.
I'm willing to troubleshoot and provide any info necessary, thanks in advance ! 
Please let me know which commands or logs are needed to check this. Help is 
much appreciated ! :)

w4sp_webapp.py

[Aleix Piulachs]

can you help me please? I have been trying to install w4sp_webapp.py to
kali for 3 days and I get many module errors i can’t to install it..

Re: [Hardware support] Dell Vostro 15 3530

[David Christensen]

On 7/17/24 20:13, Erik Eduardo Alcala Salero wrote:

Good day,
I have been using Debian 12 stable in my dell vostro 15 3530, I wanted to ask 
if some one else is using this machine or having issues with the keyboard, I 
have manjaro installed also, when I boot and see the manjaro boot-loader the 
keyboard does not work, this was not the case in the past, just maybe since 3 
weeks ago when the problem started: I boot, some keys in the keyboard do not 
work and I have restart several times until I can press the enter key to log in 
into debian, any help is much appreciated.
I'm willing to troubleshoot and provide any info necessary, thanks in advance ! 
Please let me know which commands or logs are needed to check this. Help is 
much appreciated ! :)




Have you connected a known good keyboard directly to the computer to 
verify that the problem is Debian or manjaro, and not the keyboard (or a 
KVM switch, if you use one)?



David

Re: [Hardware support] Dell Vostro 15 3530

[Felix Miata]

Erik Eduardo Alcala Salero composed on 2024-07-18 03:13 (UTC):

> I have been using Debian 12 stable in my dell vostro 15 3530, I wanted to ask 
> if some one else is using this machine or having issues with the keyboard, I 
> have manjaro installed also, when I boot and see the manjaro boot-loader the 
> keyboard does not work, this was not the case in the past, just maybe since 3 
> weeks ago when the problem started: I boot, some keys in the keyboard do not 
> work and I have restart several times until I can press the enter key to log 
> in into debian, any help is much appreciated.
> I'm willing to troubleshoot and provide any info necessary, thanks in advance 
> ! Please let me know which commands or logs are needed to check this. Help is 
> much appreciated ! :)

Things to try:

1-If USB keyboard, try plugging it into different ports
2-PS/2 connected keyboards are not hot-pluggable. Never plug or unplug while
powered up, else risk damaging the motherboard port.
3-try a different keyboard
4-try resetting the BIOS
5-Most PC's BIOS for USB has legacy support that can be turned off. Check yours 
&
try changing the setting.
6-Try contact cleaner on plug and receptacle
7-Try a full BIOS reset
8-Install BIOS upgrade if available
9-Does the problem remain no matter what session type, whether X11 or Wayland,
whether Gnome or Plasma or XFCE or IceWM or a simple WM?
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based on faith, not based on science.

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Felix Miata

Kali w4sp_webapp.py wireshark

[Aleix Piulachs]

The first error is when I go to install python w4sp_webapp.py in
/root/Downloads/w4sp-lab-master/w4sp_webapp.py line 8 of the module which
is: import w4sp gives error. The second error in
/root/Downloads/w4sp-lab-master/w4sp.py line 1 of the module which is:
import w4sp_app import * the asterisk gives error

mini.iso for trixie - nvme support absent?

[Felix Miata]

When I boot Trixie 6.8.12 kernel from nvme:
# lsmod | grep nvme | sort
nvme   57344  15
nvme_core 188416  16 nvme
t10_pi 20480  1 nvme_core
#
When booting the Trixie NET installer, it reports cannot find the only available
storage, and installation target, an NVME stick with over a dozen distros 
already
installed. From smartctl:
Model Number:   Patriot M.2 P300 512GB
Serial Number:  P300...
Firmware Version:   400fAA12
PCI Vendor/Subsystem ID:0x1e4b
IEEE OUI Identifier:0x00
Total NVM Capacity: 512,110,190,592 [512 GB]
Unallocated NVM Capacity:   0
Controller ID:  0
NVMe Version:   1.4
Number of Namespaces:   1
Namespace 1 Size/Capacity:  512,110,190,592 [512 GB]
Namespace 1 Utilization:50,339,646,464 [50.3 GB]
Namespace 1 Formatted LBA Size: 512
Local Time is:  Thu Jul 18 01:30:33 2024 EDT
Firmware Updates (0x14):2 Slots, no Reset required
Optional Admin Commands (0x0006):   Format Frmw_DL
Optional NVM Commands (0x001f): Comp Wr_Unc DS_Mngmt Wr_Zero Sav/Sel_Feat

Is this a known transient Trixie problem? A bug that needs reporting? Where 
would
I find the modules the initialized installer asks to locate from some USB device
or elsewhere? Are these questions only answerable on debian-devel list?
-- 
Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion,
based on faith, not based on science.

 Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!

Felix Miata

OT: mmc life - should I worry?

[Kamil Jońca]

Recenly I bought used Dell Wyse 3040.
Installed debian on it. Seems to work (althoug I do not use graphical
env on it)
I wanted to check mmc on it and I got:

--8<---cut here---start->8---
root@chamsa:~# mmc extcsd read /dev/mmcblk0|grep EXT_CSD
 Device supports writing EXT_CSD_WR_REL_SET
eMMC Life Time Estimation A [EXT_CSD_DEVICE_LIFE_TIME_EST_TYP_A]: 0x01
eMMC Life Time Estimation B [EXT_CSD_DEVICE_LIFE_TIME_EST_TYP_B]: 0x09
eMMC Pre EOL information [EXT_CSD_PRE_EOL_INFO]: 0x01
--8<---cut here---end--->8---

If I understand "eMMC Life Time Estimation B" is at 90% "wear".
But I do not understand what are the A/B estimations. I found something
about SLC and MLC blocks, but I do not understand this.
Can anyone point me to some understandable documentation?
Should I rather install system on external usb?
KJ

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To grease a king or other great functionary already sufficiently
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web site displays blank page

[Russell L. Harris]

When I try to visit www.chewy.com a blank page.  This is a major pet
supply web site.  Other web sites display as usual without problems.
I phoned CHEWY and they say their system is on-line.

I have tried two different computers and both Firefox and Chromium.  I
updated Debian-12.  I emptied the browser cache.  No change.

A week or two ago, chewy.com displayed perfectly.

My ISP is RTA.  I am in a rural area near Austinn, Texas, and have a
10/1 microwave link.  Could the problem be with RTA?

Would someone kindly verify that chewy.com is accessible?

RLH

Re: web site displays blank page

[David]

On Thu, 2024-07-18 at 06:06 +, Russell L. Harris wrote:

Hullo Russell,

> When I try to visit www.chewy.com a blank page.  This is a major pet
> supply web site.  Other web sites display as usual without problems.
> I phoned CHEWY and they say their system is on-line.
> 
> I have tried two different computers and both Firefox and Chromium. 
> I
> updated Debian-12.  I emptied the browser cache.  No change.
> 
> A week or two ago, chewy.com displayed perfectly.
> 
> My ISP is RTA.  I am in a rural area near Austinn, Texas, and have a
> 10/1 microwave link.  Could the problem be with RTA?
> 
> Would someone kindly verify that chewy.com is accessible?

Blank page with Chromium, but accessible via Firefox, on SID, over
Starlink.
Cross browser compatibility design issue?
Cheers!
> 
> RLH
> 

Re: web site displays blank page

[Felix Miata]

Russell L. Harris composed on 2024-07-18 06:06 (UTC):

> When I try to visit www.chewy.com a blank page.  This is a major pet
> supply web site.  Other web sites display as usual without problems.
> I phoned CHEWY and they say their system is on-line.

> I have tried two different computers and both Firefox and Chromium.  I
> updated Debian-12.  I emptied the browser cache.  No change.

> A week or two ago, chewy.com displayed perfectly.

> My ISP is RTA.  I am in a rural area near Austinn, Texas, and have a
> 10/1 microwave link.  Could the problem be with RTA?

> Would someone kindly verify that chewy.com is accessible?

https://www.chewy.com/ looks normal from FL in Chromium:
[copied/pasted]
High-quality, great value from brands by Chewy
American Journey Peanut Butter Recipe Grain-Free Oven Baked Crunchy Biscuit Dog
Treats, 16-oz bag, bundle of 2
American Journey Peanut Butter Recipe Grain-Free Oven Baked Crunchy Biscuit Dog
Treats, 16-oz bag, bundle of 2
By
Rated 4.5 out of 5 stars
4.5
4,775
$12.60Chewy Price
$12.98
[/]
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based on faith, not based on science.

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Felix Miata

Re: web site displays blank page

[Alain D D Williams]

On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 06:06:05AM +, Russell L. Harris wrote:
> When I try to visit www.chewy.com a blank page.  This is a major pet
> supply web site.  Other web sites display as usual without problems.
> I phoned CHEWY and they say their system is on-line.
> 
> I have tried two different computers and both Firefox and Chromium.  I
> updated Debian-12.  I emptied the browser cache.  No change.
> 
> A week or two ago, chewy.com displayed perfectly.
> 
> My ISP is RTA.  I am in a rural area near Austinn, Texas, and have a
> 10/1 microwave link.  Could the problem be with RTA?
> 
> Would someone kindly verify that chewy.com is accessible?

HTTP code 429 means "Too Many Requests (RFC 6585)"

$ curl --head https://www.chewy.com/
HTTP/2 429 
content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8
x-kpsdk-ct: 
03Vhg1rHHEmv7VMgvAv2tLEGyrlWwedwtTXLLwhV37Jqel51VNOL8UHcFw5fHbuRuG2METLn8zJJb148AhDbEh1FSN7hCRLDWawPK8L1uHJj8A9JeCMSXTtSIy90qNGEuT0trYKzEveuIVapXLCtN0TwqGJbR7ZMKBQX1ix0o7j6tvAI21Fous
access-control-expose-headers: x-kpsdk-ct,x-kpsdk-r,x-kpsdk-c
p3p: CP="This site does not specify a policy in the P3P header"
expires: Thu, 18 Jul 2024 06:12:55 GMT
cache-control: max-age=0, no-cache, no-store
pragma: no-cache
date: Thu, 18 Jul 2024 06:12:55 GMT
set-cookie: 
KP_UIDz-ssn=03Vhg1rHHEmv7VMgvAv2tLEGyrlWwedwtTXLLwhV37Jqel51VNOL8UHcFw5fHbuRuG2METLn8zJJb148AhDbEh1FSN7hCRLDWawPK8L1uHJj8A9JeCMSXTtSIy90qNGEuT0trYKzEveuIVapXLCtN0TwqGJbR7ZMKBQX1ix0o7j6tvAI21Fous;
 Max-Age=86400; Path=/; Expires=Fri, 19 Jul 2024 06:12:55 GMT; HttpOnly; 
Secure; SameSite=None
set-cookie: 
KP_UIDz=03Vhg1rHHEmv7VMgvAv2tLEGyrlWwedwtTXLLwhV37Jqel51VNOL8UHcFw5fHbuRuG2METLn8zJJb148AhDbEh1FSN7hCRLDWawPK8L1uHJj8A9JeCMSXTtSIy90qNGEuT0trYKzEveuIVapXLCtN0TwqGJbR7ZMKBQX1ix0o7j6tvAI21Fous;
 Max-Age=86400; Path=/; Expires=Fri, 19 Jul 2024 06:12:55 GMT; HttpOnly
set-cookie: device-id=366803eb-cfb8-4564-8805-770df06107bc; expires=Wed, 
09-Jul-2025 06:12:55 GMT; path=/; domain=.chewy.com; secure
alt-svc: h3=":443"; ma=93600
x-content-type-options: nosniff
strict-transport-security: max-age=86400 ; preload
edge-cache-tag: homepage-not-loggedin
x-request-id: 35f11fa
set-cookie: akavpau_defaultvp=1721283475~id=cd67f1b621214ab4606205c4eaec74e4; 
Path=/; HttpOnly; Secure; SameSite=None
set-cookie: 
akaalb_chewy_ALB=1721283775~op=prd_kasada:prd-kasada-haproxy-use2|~rv=39~m=prd-kasada-haproxy-use2:0|~os=43a06daff4514d805d02d3b6b5e79808~id=498bb70aac1e50701a980f57c3e5b82a;
 path=/; Expires=Thu, 18 Jul 2024 06:22:55 GMT; HttpOnly; Secure; SameSite=None
akamai-grn: 0.24f61002.1721283175.35f11fa
set-cookie: 
_abck=258D45B94A93D168BD6B94CB00DE2B77~-1~YAAQJPYQAlIoFMKQAQAA/OR4xAx1C/6M1x48v/FrONZhoz10KvKWEQLffLEqHQ4gUg9CJeYvBx9F4HKbn/oYVXqRWU8By+3DnOqZH+T5cEXMwzIZm4T+qm+SGM21/9et+X2dEp/qCXRxxFEapLDzoUo4Z+toWuIOHy+5Tlfdy/5qxyawc/UsoqIE8N0q+Bt44wmGLWEU7E/GB6X0om3nj2ZW/+eXdmw+dXA7HTKOQOZvPgirfx9KUXTE8rCvg8U59qRm0mssp5KVg3dkFO+RQKb4GBk05hLorC9/r2ab9pWjd++jwTW6DxvIUpmKW9P9dgHOjojFoJbnsVR2Sap65GvGeqFQzKKhyHKZuDSDLIhA6l1/Av1X9w==~-1~-1~-1;
 Domain=.chewy.com; Path=/; Expires=Fri, 18 Jul 2025 06:12:55 GMT; 
Max-Age=31536000; Secure
set-cookie: 
bm_sz=303CEEFC20F8A4A1A27DCF68B25ED773~YAAQJPYQAlMoFMKQAQAA/OR4xBiVVtG8Gq9Jf1J1QX/rZ8vNzdMTBCTK0BboTlg+6Qu5nWA6Lxh7P0LonjJWnz6BPEIvPuQkDTnJTtW+gIbC3Jj8Hy6UjA5/uUQ71EyRMYBaw17wN4BQn7l3l7+xuSGmgVuZhVv9pngUmZH+vTLZhD7R5+g55IImAU7G5p3kAn/zLEvhVPoNu9WCra/s2Zxhrcib2CXHmU5vLsKJBCwZiA2lpJKpzTM+dSp1ZlN9XSfY0j7nhLZXC8OmYGuI8R4mRCZRKs2T2d/iUdXO6CdjL5BzXS8WSfEq5YoXlN9zxXNR+9ujPrUhSHVRU5O04pcDTAXtUs/xUkCVaPXJxj8yid37dP6Ngrvt2xsBVGPHHw==~3159105~3420471;
 Domain=.chewy.com; Path=/; Expires=Thu, 18 Jul 2024 10:12:55 GMT; Max-Age=14400
server-timing: ak_p; 
desc="1721283175160_34666020_56562170_23218_76689_28_206_15";dur=1


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Re: web site displays blank page

[Russell L. Harris]

On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 04:24:43PM +1000, David wrote:


Blank page with Chromium, but accessible via Firefox, on SID, over
Starlink.
Cross browser compatibility design issue?
Cheers!


The blank page you get with Chromium makes me less concerned with RTA,
though there are other issues with RTA.  


What I don't understand is that I never recall encountering this
problem before, and I have been using the CHEWY website for years.

If a change made by CHEWY caused the problem, they should know within
a day.  Or perhaps everyone but I has switched from a computer to a
smartphone.

Thanks for the reports.

RLH