Re: opinion - apt-mirror or aptly

[Dan Ritter]

fxkl4...@protonmail.com wrote: 
> i intend to create a local mirror for debian armhf
> it seems apt-mirror and aptly are the applications most used
> is one easier, more reliable, ...


If all you want is a local mirror, apt-mirror is less
configuration.

If you want a more complicated system -- for example, taking
multiple upstream repos and consolidating them into one local
mirror, which then is branched into a testing repo and a
production repo -- you need aptly.

-dsr-

Re: is security.debian.org broken

[Махно]

Hello.

Works here.

2024-04-17, tr, 12:23 Marco Moock  rašė:
>
> Am 17.04.2024 um 05:26:57 Uhr schrieb fxkl4...@protonmail.com:
>
> > is it broken or just me
>
> Works here.
>
> Please give more details and run
> sudo traceroute -T -p 80 security.debian.org -6
>
> --
> Gruß
> Marco
>
> Send unsolicited bulk mail to 1713324417mu...@cartoonies.org
>

LibreOffice removed from Debian

[Vincent Lefevre]

Is there any reason why LibreOffice has been removed from Debian???

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Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian

[Marco Moock]

Am 17.04.2024 um 15:12:39 Uhr schrieb Vincent Lefevre:

> Is there any reason why LibreOffice has been removed from Debian???

https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libreoffice
According to the tracker, it specific release got removed from
experimental. This is a special repo for testing and should only be
used by people who want an unstable testing system.

It is still available in stable and also in unstable.

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Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2024-04-17 15:19:26 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:
> Am 17.04.2024 um 15:12:39 Uhr schrieb Vincent Lefevre:
> 
> > Is there any reason why LibreOffice has been removed from Debian???
> 
> https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libreoffice
> According to the tracker, it specific release got removed from
> experimental. This is a special repo for testing and should only be
> used by people who want an unstable testing system.
> 
> It is still available in stable and also in unstable.

No, I do not use experimental (except in rare cases, but libreoffice
was not concerned), and (all?) my bug reports against libreoffice have
been closed due to this removal.

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Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian

[Brad Rogers]

On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 15:12:39 +0200
Vincent Lefevre  wrote:

Hello Vincent,

>Is there any reason why LibreOffice has been removed from Debian???

https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libreoffice

Has all the info you need, and more.  Expect it to be removed from
testing, too.

This is not permanent.

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Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2024-04-17 15:24:47 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2024-04-17 15:19:26 +0200, Marco Moock wrote:
> > Am 17.04.2024 um 15:12:39 Uhr schrieb Vincent Lefevre:
> > 
> > > Is there any reason why LibreOffice has been removed from Debian???
> > 
> > https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libreoffice
> > According to the tracker, it specific release got removed from
> > experimental. This is a special repo for testing and should only be
> > used by people who want an unstable testing system.
> > 
> > It is still available in stable and also in unstable.
> 
> No, I do not use experimental (except in rare cases, but libreoffice
> was not concerned), and (all?) my bug reports against libreoffice have
> been closed due to this removal.

Not just mine. It seems that *all* bug reports against
libreoffice have been closed:

  
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=0;ordering=normal;repeatmerged=0;src=libreoffice

Only bug 883734 is open, but this is because it has been reopened.

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Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> Is there any reason why LibreOffice has been removed from Debian???

  https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libreoffice

says

  The dependencies of libuno-cppuhelpergcc3-3=4:24.2.0-1 cannot be
  satisfied in unstable on arm64, s390x, i386, ppc64el, armel, amd64,
  and armhf
  [...]
  Depends on packages which need a new maintainer
  [...]
  This package has been requested to be removed. [...]
  Please see bug number #1069123 for more information.

This bug looks somewhat like a misunderstanding between the maintainer
and the Debian FTP Master.
The maintainer declares a lot of packages to be "cruft"
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Harvard_Cruft_Hall.png)
referring to various arches, but not to amd64.
The Masters seem to react by marking the source package "libreoffice"
for removal. (It is in the maintainer's cruft list, indeed.)


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2024-04-17 14:26:12 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 15:12:39 +0200
> Vincent Lefevre  wrote:
> 
> Hello Vincent,
> 
> >Is there any reason why LibreOffice has been removed from Debian???
> 
> https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/libreoffice
> 
> Has all the info you need, and more.  Expect it to be removed from
> testing, too.

Indeed:

"This package has been requested to be removed. This means that, when
this request gets processed by an ftp-master, this package will no
longer be in unstable, and will automatically be removed from testing
too afterwards. If for some reason you want keep this package in
unstable, please discuss so in the bug. Please see bug number #1069123
for more information."

> This is not permanent.

If this is not permanent, why have all the bugs been closed?

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Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian

[Sarunas Burdulis]

On 4/17/24 09:12, Vincent Lefevre wrote:

Is there any reason why LibreOffice has been removed from Debian???


Seems still to be included in unstable and experimental:

$ apt policy libreoffice
libreoffice:
  Installed: 4:24.2.2-3+b1
  Candidate: 4:24.2.2-3+b1
  Version table:
 *** 4:24.2.2-3+b1 500
500 http://deb.debian.org/debian sid/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
 4:24.2.2~rc2-2 1
  1 https://deb.debian.org/debian experimental/main amd64 Packages


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Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian

[Brad Rogers]

On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 15:35:57 +0200
Vincent Lefevre  wrote:

Hello Vincent,

>If this is not permanent, why have all the bugs been closed?

That I have no answer for.

I was basing my "this is not permanent" on the fact that there are a
large number of auto-transitions currently ongoing, and many packages
are, as a result, are being affected(1).  I thought that LO was caught
up in it all.

Based on all the bug closures (I had no idea that was the case until you
mentioned it), I am at a loss to know what's occurring(2).

(1) currently only a handful of packages installed on my system have been
removed from testing, but I expect that number to grow before things
start getting back to 'normal'

(2) Thomas' message sheds light, I think.

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Re: tbird troubles

[Max Nikulin]

On 16/04/2024 23:11, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:

Makes sense, TB seems to remember its window configuration [1]

[...]

[1] Can't they just let the window manager do its job?


I am in doubts if saving list of windows and list of folders and 
messages opened in all tabs of each window could and should be delegated 
to the window manager.

Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2024-04-17 14:59:18 +0100, Brad Rogers wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 15:35:57 +0200
> Vincent Lefevre  wrote:
> 
> Hello Vincent,
> 
> >If this is not permanent, why have all the bugs been closed?
> 
> That I have no answer for.

I've sent a message to bug 1069123 (which requested the removal).

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1069123#20 and
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1069123#25 say
that the request was correct, but the bugs shouldn't have been
closed. They have now been reopened.

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Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2024-04-17 16:13:30 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> I've sent a message to bug 1069123 (which requested the removal).
> 
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1069123#20 and
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=1069123#25 say
> that the request was correct, but the bugs shouldn't have been
> closed. They have now been reopened.

Actually, if I understand correctly, LibreOffice will really be
removed on some architectures (armhf ppc64el s390x mips64el riscv64).
Fortunately, I am not concerned by this removal (only by the fact
that my bug reports were closed, but this has now been fixed).

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Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian

[Brad Rogers]

On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 16:18:23 +0200
Vincent Lefevre  wrote:

Hello Vincent,

>Actually, if I understand correctly, LibreOffice will really be
>removed on some architectures (armhf ppc64el s390x mips64el riscv64).
>Fortunately, I am not concerned by this removal (only by the fact
>that my bug reports were closed, but this has now been fixed).

Indeed;  There's a lot going on ATM, and it's almost inevitable that
"stuff"(1) happens at times like this.

Thankfully it was, easily, and quickly, sorted.

(1) i.e. mistakes get made.

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Re: tbird troubles

[Curt]

On 2024-04-16, gene heskett  wrote:
> On 4/16/24 10:22, Curt wrote:
>> On 2024-04-15, gene heskett  wrote:
>>> For the last 2 or 3 reboots, when launching t-bird, I get 2 copies of
>>> the gui stacked on top of each other. I can move them separately to 2
>>> separate workspaces, and both appear to work for some definition of
>>> working, but quitting one actually quits both.
>>>
>> 
>> Have you tried *closing* one of the two windows, *quitting* the
>> remaining one, and then restarting your bird?
>> 
>> .
>  From scratch, including a text entry in a shell.

What I meant is what the Wanderer elaborated with further
detail and clarity, working from the same bug report.

"Closing" the window of one of the supernumerary windows, and "quitting"
(exiting the mofo in the canonical manner) of the application with the
remaining one.

Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Wed Apr 17, 2024 at 2:30 PM BST, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> Not just mine. It seems that *all* bug reports against
> libreoffice have been closed:
>
>   
> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?archive=0;ordering=normal;repeatmerged=0;src=libreoffice
>
> Only bug 883734 is open, but this is because it has been reopened.

That's not what I see here. Perhaps share one of your affected bug
numbers?




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Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Wed Apr 17, 2024 at 4:31 PM BST, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> That's not what I see here. Perhaps share one of your affected bug
> numbers?

Ah  (from
elsewhere in the thread) explains it.


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Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

[David Christensen]

 Forwarded Message 
Subject: Re: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 11:38:49 -0700
From: David Christensen 
To: Gareth Evans 

On 4/17/24 03:47, Gareth Evans wrote:

On Wed 17/04/2024 at 09:18, David Christensen  wrote:

On 4/16/24 08:56, Gareth Evans wrote:

On 16 Apr 2024, at 00:18, David Christensen  wrote:

On 4/15/24 09:21, Gareth Evans wrote:

On Sun 14/04/2024 at 13:29, David Christensen wrote:
...
I have used the Xfce panel Network Manager applet for many years.
Tonight, I noticed that it has disappeared (!).
...

2024-04-15 16:08:23 dpchrist@laalaa ~
$ ps aux | grep nm-applet
dpchrist1518  0.1  0.2 426500 35380 ?Sl   16:06   0:00 nm-applet
dpchrist1940  0.0  0.0   3240   644 pts/0S+   16:15   0:00 grep 
nm-applet

2024-04-15 16:15:12 dpchrist@laalaa ~
$ nm-applet

2024-04-15 16:15:31 dpchrist@laalaa ~
$ ps aux | grep nm-applet
dpchrist1518  0.1  0.2 426500 35380 ?Sl   16:06   0:00 nm-applet
dpchrist1952  0.0  0.0   3240   644 pts/0S+   16:15   0:00 grep 
nm-applet


That seems to show it's running from the outset, just not being displayed on 
the panel.

Does rebooting (or logging out and in again) bring it back?



No.


OK.  You may have checked this already, but in case not, if I install XFCE and 
go to

Settings > Session and Startup > Application Autostart

there is an entry in the list called

"Network (Manage your network connections)"



It is checked.



which shows a tooltip of "command: nm-applet"



Command: nm-applet



Might this somehow have become unset?

I'm not sure if it's possible for GUI config helpers to become detached from 
actual settings - this seems to describe the relevant locations:

https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/669372/xfce4-session-and-startup-where-are-autostart-items-saved



2024-04-17 11:21:06 dpchrist@laalaa ~
$ grep nm-applet ~/.config/autostart
grep: /home/dpchrist/.config/autostart: No such file or directory

2024-04-17 11:33:11 dpchrist@laalaa ~
$ find .config -name autostart

2024-04-17 11:33:22 dpchrist@laalaa ~
$


2024-04-17 11:34:14 dpchrist@laalaa ~
$ grep -r nm-applet /etc/xdg/autostart
/etc/xdg/autostart/nm-applet.desktop:Exec=nm-applet
/etc/xdg/autostart/nm-applet.desktop:X-GNOME-Bugzilla-Component=nm-applet


My WAG is that nm-applet is failing to start, but I have been unable to 
find if and where any error message is reported.



David

Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

[David Christensen]

 Forwarded Message 
Subject: Re: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 01:18:34 -0700
From: David Christensen 
To: Gareth Evans 

On 4/16/24 08:56, Gareth Evans wrote:

On 16 Apr 2024, at 00:18, David Christensen  wrote:

On 4/15/24 09:21, Gareth Evans wrote:

On Sun 14/04/2024 at 13:29, David Christensen wrote:
...
I have used the Xfce panel Network Manager applet for many years.
Tonight, I noticed that it has disappeared (!).
...

2024-04-15 16:08:23 dpchrist@laalaa ~
$ ps aux | grep nm-applet
dpchrist1518  0.1  0.2 426500 35380 ?Sl   16:06   0:00 nm-applet
dpchrist1940  0.0  0.0   3240   644 pts/0S+   16:15   0:00 grep 
nm-applet

2024-04-15 16:15:12 dpchrist@laalaa ~
$ nm-applet

2024-04-15 16:15:31 dpchrist@laalaa ~
$ ps aux | grep nm-applet
dpchrist1518  0.1  0.2 426500 35380 ?Sl   16:06   0:00 nm-applet
dpchrist1952  0.0  0.0   3240   644 pts/0S+   16:15   0:00 grep 
nm-applet


That seems to show it's running from the outset, just not being displayed on 
the panel.

Does rebooting (or logging out and in again) bring it back?



No.


David

Re: tbird troubles

[The Wanderer]

On 2024-04-16 at 16:56, gene heskett wrote:

> On 4/16/24 10:46, The Wanderer wrote:
> 
>> On 2024-04-16 at 10:28, Greg Wooledge wrote:

>>> In his original message, he claimed that closing one window
>>> makes the other one also close.
>>> 
>>> I asked *how* he was closing them, and he said that he gets the
>>> same result whether he uses the WM's close button, or the
>>> application's Exit menu choice.
>> 
>> From what I saw in a Bugzilla bug report (which I think was linked
>> to in this thread?) about a similar behavior (dating back a good
>> number of years, and closed as - more or less - "not meaningfully
>> fixable" or the like), neither of those is what is needed.
>> 
>> What needs to happen, according to that analysis, is to close one
>> of the windows not by File -> Exit or File -> Quit, but by File ->
>> Close. (In my - severely obsolete - Thunderbird version, it's near
>> the top of the File menu, and has the associated keyboard shortcut
>> Ctrl+W.)
>> 
>> Reportedly, after doing that, if you then quit the program entirely
>> (by any of the other available methods), when you re-launch it it
>> will come up with only one window.
> 
> Thank you, that fixed it!

You're welcome.

Please extend your thanks to Tomas, who is the one who tracked down the
links that led to the bug report where I found the analysis and this
advice, and also to Curt, who was giving the same recommendation in
different terms before I got to it.

All I did was read the discussion at the link Tomas provided, and find a
different way to express it.

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Re: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

[Charles Curley]

On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 11:41:24 -0700
David Christensen  wrote:

> My WAG is that nm-applet is failing to start, but I have been unable
> to find if and where any error message is reported.

My instance of nm-applet does run, and I see this as part of the boot
process:

root@hawk:~# journalctl -b | grep nm-app
Apr 15 11:27:42 hawk NetworkManager[1354]:   [1713202062.7737] 
agent-manager: agent[108f011a1115d508,:1.131/org.freedesktop.nm-applet/1000]: 
agent registered
root@hawk:~# 

I suspect that if nm-applet doesn't start, you won't see any output
from that command.

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Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

[Richmond]

David Christensen  writes:

>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject: Re: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared
> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 11:38:49 -0700
> From: David Christensen 
> To: Gareth Evans 
>
> On 4/17/24 03:47, Gareth Evans wrote:
>> On Wed 17/04/2024 at 09:18, David Christensen  
>> wrote:
>>> On 4/16/24 08:56, Gareth Evans wrote:
 On 16 Apr 2024, at 00:18, David Christensen  
 wrote:
> On 4/15/24 09:21, Gareth Evans wrote:
>>> On Sun 14/04/2024 at 13:29, David Christensen wrote:
>>> ...
>>> I have used the Xfce panel Network Manager applet for many years.
>>> Tonight, I noticed that it has disappeared (!).
>>> ...
> 2024-04-15 16:08:23 dpchrist@laalaa ~
> $ ps aux | grep nm-applet
> dpchrist1518  0.1  0.2 426500 35380 ?Sl   16:06   0:00 
> nm-applet
> dpchrist1940  0.0  0.0   3240   644 pts/0S+   16:15   0:00 grep 
> nm-applet
>
> 2024-04-15 16:15:12 dpchrist@laalaa ~
> $ nm-applet
>
> 2024-04-15 16:15:31 dpchrist@laalaa ~
> $ ps aux | grep nm-applet
> dpchrist1518  0.1  0.2 426500 35380 ?Sl   16:06   0:00 
> nm-applet
> dpchrist1952  0.0  0.0   3240   644 pts/0S+   16:15   0:00 grep 
> nm-applet

 That seems to show it's running from the outset, just not being displayed 
 on the panel.

 Does rebooting (or logging out and in again) bring it back?
>>>
>>>
>>> No.
>> OK.  You may have checked this already, but in case not, if I
>> install XFCE and go to
>> Settings > Session and Startup > Application Autostart
>> there is an entry in the list called
>> "Network (Manage your network connections)"
>
>
> It is checked.
>
>
>> which shows a tooltip of "command: nm-applet"
>
>
> Command: nm-applet
>
>
>> Might this somehow have become unset?
>> I'm not sure if it's possible for GUI config helpers to become
>> detached from actual settings - this seems to describe the relevant
>> locations:
>> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/669372/xfce4-session-and-startup-where-are-autostart-items-saved
>
>
> 2024-04-17 11:21:06 dpchrist@laalaa ~
> $ grep nm-applet ~/.config/autostart
> grep: /home/dpchrist/.config/autostart: No such file or directory
>
> 2024-04-17 11:33:11 dpchrist@laalaa ~
> $ find .config -name autostart
>
> 2024-04-17 11:33:22 dpchrist@laalaa ~
> $
>
>
> 2024-04-17 11:34:14 dpchrist@laalaa ~
> $ grep -r nm-applet /etc/xdg/autostart
> /etc/xdg/autostart/nm-applet.desktop:Exec=nm-applet
> /etc/xdg/autostart/nm-applet.desktop:X-GNOME-Bugzilla-Component=nm-applet
>
>
> My WAG is that nm-applet is failing to start, but I have been unable
> to find if and where any error message is reported.
>

What are the permissions on the nm-applet binary? maybe it doesn't have
permission to execute, or the process which starts it doesn't have
permission.

Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

[eben]

On 4/17/24 15:37, Richmond wrote:> David Christensen
 writes:
>
>> My WAG is that nm-applet is failing to start, but I have been unable to
>> find if and where any error message is reported.
>
> What are the permissions on the nm-applet binary?

And is its filesystem mounted with noexec?

> maybe it doesn't have permission to execute, or the process which starts
> it doesn't have permission.

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Re: tbird troubles

[gene heskett]

On 4/17/24 14:52, The Wanderer wrote:

On 2024-04-16 at 16:56, gene heskett wrote:


On 4/16/24 10:46, The Wanderer wrote:


On 2024-04-16 at 10:28, Greg Wooledge wrote:



In his original message, he claimed that closing one window
makes the other one also close.

I asked *how* he was closing them, and he said that he gets the
same result whether he uses the WM's close button, or the
application's Exit menu choice.


 From what I saw in a Bugzilla bug report (which I think was linked
to in this thread?) about a similar behavior (dating back a good
number of years, and closed as - more or less - "not meaningfully
fixable" or the like), neither of those is what is needed.

What needs to happen, according to that analysis, is to close one
of the windows not by File -> Exit or File -> Quit, but by File ->
Close. (In my - severely obsolete - Thunderbird version, it's near
the top of the File menu, and has the associated keyboard shortcut
Ctrl+W.)

Reportedly, after doing that, if you then quit the program entirely
(by any of the other available methods), when you re-launch it it
will come up with only one window.


Thank you, that fixed it!


You're welcome.

Please extend your thanks to Tomas, who is the one who tracked down the
links that led to the bug report where I found the analysis and this
advice, and also to Curt, who was giving the same recommendation in
different terms before I got to it.


Terms I may not have adequately understood, like Winston Churchill is 
reported to have once said about England and America, "two great 
countries separated by a common language." or words to that effect.  So 
my thanks to all who contributed, in what they thought was my mother tongue.


Also, many thanks to those whose mother tongue is not English, for 
learning English.  My schooling did not last long enough to have a 
chance to learn yours. My schooling ceased shortly after the 8h grade as 
I went to work fixing the then new-fangled things called tv's for a 
living in 1947. Mother gave me one very valuable thing, a near genius 
IQ. My employment history is widely varied. The tv cameras that were on 
the Trieste when it went down in the mohole in 1960, had my fingerprints 
in them. Now retired for 22 years from an 18 years stint in CE office at 
a tv station, I'm still working in the bleeding edge of 3d printing 
despite hoping to have 2 of my own design working by my 90th.  Many many 
thanks to those who have helped.


Take care and stay well all.


All I did was read the discussion at the link Tomas provided, and find a
different way to express it.



Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
 - Louis D. Brandeis

Re: LibreOffice removed from Debian

[Stefan Monnier]

> Actually, if I understand correctly, LibreOffice will really be
> removed on some architectures (armhf ppc64el s390x mips64el riscv64).

🙁


Stefan

Re: Fwd: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared

[Gareth Evans]

On Wed 17/04/2024 at 19:41, David Christensen  wrote:
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject: Re: Debian 11 Xfce panel Network Manager applet has disappeared
> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2024 11:38:49 -0700
> From: David Christensen 
> To: Gareth Evans 
>
> On 4/17/24 03:47, Gareth Evans wrote:
>> On Wed 17/04/2024 at 09:18, David Christensen  
>> wrote:
>>> On 4/16/24 08:56, Gareth Evans wrote:
 On 16 Apr 2024, at 00:18, David Christensen  
 wrote:
> On 4/15/24 09:21, Gareth Evans wrote:
>>> On Sun 14/04/2024 at 13:29, David Christensen wrote:
>>> ...
>>> I have used the Xfce panel Network Manager applet for many years.
>>> Tonight, I noticed that it has disappeared (!).
>>> ...
> 2024-04-15 16:08:23 dpchrist@laalaa ~
> $ ps aux | grep nm-applet
> dpchrist1518  0.1  0.2 426500 35380 ?Sl   16:06   0:00 
> nm-applet
> dpchrist1940  0.0  0.0   3240   644 pts/0S+   16:15   0:00 grep 
> nm-applet
>
> 2024-04-15 16:15:12 dpchrist@laalaa ~
> $ nm-applet
>
> 2024-04-15 16:15:31 dpchrist@laalaa ~
> $ ps aux | grep nm-applet
> dpchrist1518  0.1  0.2 426500 35380 ?Sl   16:06   0:00 
> nm-applet
> dpchrist1952  0.0  0.0   3240   644 pts/0S+   16:15   0:00 grep 
> nm-applet

 That seems to show it's running from the outset, just not being displayed 
 on the panel.

 Does rebooting (or logging out and in again) bring it back?
>>>
>>>
>>> No.
>> 
>> OK.  You may have checked this already, but in case not, if I install XFCE 
>> and go to
>> 
>> Settings > Session and Startup > Application Autostart
>> 
>> there is an entry in the list called
>> 
>> "Network (Manage your network connections)"
>
>
> It is checked.
>
>
>> which shows a tooltip of "command: nm-applet"
>
>
> Command: nm-applet
>
>
>> Might this somehow have become unset?
>> 
>> I'm not sure if it's possible for GUI config helpers to become detached from 
>> actual settings - this seems to describe the relevant locations:
>> 
>> https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/669372/xfce4-session-and-startup-where-are-autostart-items-saved
>
>
> 2024-04-17 11:21:06 dpchrist@laalaa ~
> $ grep nm-applet ~/.config/autostart
> grep: /home/dpchrist/.config/autostart: No such file or directory
>
> 2024-04-17 11:33:11 dpchrist@laalaa ~
> $ find .config -name autostart
>
> 2024-04-17 11:33:22 dpchrist@laalaa ~
> $
>
>
> 2024-04-17 11:34:14 dpchrist@laalaa ~
> $ grep -r nm-applet /etc/xdg/autostart
> /etc/xdg/autostart/nm-applet.desktop:Exec=nm-applet
> /etc/xdg/autostart/nm-applet.desktop:X-GNOME-Bugzilla-Component=nm-applet
>
>
> My WAG is that nm-applet is failing to start, but I have been unable to 
> find if and where any error message is reported.

There is apparently a long history of nm-applet/XFCE panel-related issues (and 
not many great answers), as evidenced by such as

https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=161998

https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=6105

https://superuser.com/questions/900490/networkmanager-icon-on-notification-area-is-not-present

If you get ps output like this directly after a reboot:

> $ ps aux | grep nm-applet
> dpchrist1518  0.1  0.2 426500 35380 ?Sl   16:06   0:00 
> nm-applet

then I don't think the issue is with the starting/running of nm-applet itself, 
but rather some issue with the notification plugin, which I'm not sure how to 
begin troubleshooting.  I reluctantly abandoned XFCE partly due to panel 
instability some time ago.

The advice in the final link to rm -rf  ~/.config/xfce* might be a bit extreme, 
but I might try renaming it to force a rebuild on next login, and possibly 
reinstall task-xfce-desktop (or selected packages)

Would be interesting to hear from anyone with XFCE panel troubleshooting 
experience.

Best wishes,
Gareth

Re: tbird troubles

[tomas]

On Wed, Apr 17, 2024 at 05:00:05PM -0400, gene heskett wrote:
> On 4/17/24 14:52, The Wanderer wrote:

[...]

> > You're welcome.
> > 
> > Please extend your thanks to Tomas, who is the one who tracked down the
> > links that led to the bug report where I found the analysis and this
> > advice, and also to Curt, who was giving the same recommendation in
> > different terms before I got to it [...]

Heh. Actually, this was a beautiful example of collaborative pondering.

It was eben's hint to start the thing from the command line and you
reporting the results (still two windows) what set me off to go with
the right terms to the search engine.

[...]

> Also, many thanks to those whose mother tongue is not English, for learning
> English [...]

Actually I'm thankful for having got the chance to learn a couple of
languages. It has been a lot of fun. And also to you folks who put up
with my mediocre English.

Cheers
-- 
t


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