Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

[Thierry Leurent]

Thanks for the information

On 8/16/23 08:30, Brad Rogers wrote:

On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 00:10:20 +0200
Thierry Leurent  wrote:

Hello Thierry,


-  Claws mail not render correctly html mails.

It doesn't render them at all, unless you have a suitable plugin
installed(1).  And yes, for a while, HTML rendering was not great.  This
was due to removal (in many distros) of a package required by the Fancy
plugin (I forget which) that had security issues.

(1) This is, IMO, a Good Thing.


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Re: Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

[Brad Rogers]

On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 08:58:25 +0200
Thierry Leurent  wrote:

Hello Thierry,

>Thanks for the information

YW, Thierry.

Unless one reads the Claws mailing list, it's not easy to have known what
was going on.

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Re: debian add mirror after installation

[Luna Jernberg]

It can be good to have a non root user to do regular tasks, that does
not be root to not use extra privileges when its not needed

https://www.howtogeek.com/737563/what-is-root-on-linux/

Den ons 16 aug. 2023 kl 09:54 skrev Weijun Lu :
>
> Ask another question.
> The system installation wizard has created a non-root user. Will it have any 
> effect if the user is deleted after the system installation is complete? 
> (Solved root using key to log in)
>
> Luna Jernberg  于2023年8月10日周四 15:44写道：
>>
>> https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
>>
>> Den tors 10 aug. 2023 kl 09:01 skrev Marco :
>> >
>> > Am 10.08.2023 schrieb Weijun Lu :
>> >
>> > > 1. Is there a way not to select the network mirror site in the
>> > > installation wizard, and reconfigure the network mirror site through
>> > > dpkg-reconfig xxx and other methods after the system installation is
>> > > complete.
>> >
>> > Simply edit /etc/apt/sources.list after the installation.
>> >

Re: debian add mirror after installation

[Weijun Lu]

Ask another question.
The system installation wizard has created a non-root user. Will it have
any effect if the user is deleted after the system installation is
complete? (Solved root using key to log in)

Luna Jernberg  于2023年8月10日周四 15:44写道：

> https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
>
> Den tors 10 aug. 2023 kl 09:01 skrev Marco :
> >
> > Am 10.08.2023 schrieb Weijun Lu :
> >
> > > 1. Is there a way not to select the network mirror site in the
> > > installation wizard, and reconfigure the network mirror site through
> > > dpkg-reconfig xxx and other methods after the system installation is
> > > complete.
> >
> > Simply edit /etc/apt/sources.list after the installation.
> >
>

Re: debian add mirror after installation

[Joe]

On Wed, 16 Aug 2023 10:09:11 +0200
Luna Jernberg  wrote:

> It can be good to have a non root user to do regular tasks, that does
> not be root to not use extra privileges when its not needed

Especially with a server, where you don't want the root user logging
in remotely over ssh.

> 
> https://www.howtogeek.com/737563/what-is-root-on-linux/
> 
> Den ons 16 aug. 2023 kl 09:54 skrev Weijun Lu
> :
> >
> > Ask another question.
> > The system installation wizard has created a non-root user. Will it
> > have any effect if the user is deleted after the system
> > installation is complete? (Solved root using key to log in)
> >
> > Luna Jernberg  于2023年8月10日周四
> > 15:44写道：  
> >>
> >> https://wiki.debian.org/SourcesList
> >>
> >> Den tors 10 aug. 2023 kl 09:01 skrev Marco :  
> >> >
> >> > Am 10.08.2023 schrieb Weijun Lu :
> >> >  
> >> > > 1. Is there a way not to select the network mirror site in the
> >> > > installation wizard, and reconfigure the network mirror site
> >> > > through dpkg-reconfig xxx and other methods after the system
> >> > > installation is complete.  
> >> >
> >> > Simply edit /etc/apt/sources.list after the installation.
> >> >  
> 

Happy 30 Years Debian Project

[Luna Jernberg]

Happy Birthday 30 years of the Debian Linux Project

https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2023/08/happy-debian-day-going-30-years-strong/
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDay/2023
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianHistory?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Debian-announcement-1993-pic-by-Ian_Murdock.png

Re: Bookworm boot stacks with black screen after NVIDIA driver installed.

[Махно]

Hello. Just stick with open source video driver nouveau.

2023-08-16, tr, 04:13 Alexander V. Makartsev  rašė:
>
> On 16.08.2023 04:06, Juan R.D. Silva wrote:
>
> Hi folks.
>
> Fresh Bookworm install on Dell M4800 Precision with i7-4810MQ CPU @ 2.80GHz 
> and NVIDIA Quadro K2100M graphic card. No problems install, the system works 
> with the default nouveau driver well enough.
>
> My video card is supported according to NVIDIA.
>
> Information on official Nvidia website suggests otherwise. Last driver 
> version that supports your VGA is 418 release. [1]
> Newer driver versions don't mention K2100M on "Supported Products" list.
>
> Debian nvidia-detect advised installation of nvidia-tesla-470-driver 
> available in repo. After installing it the system boot stacks somewhere in 
> the middle with a weird black screen. No access to TTYs, no cursor, no 
> reaction to keyboard. I tried to boot with "nomodeset" in GRUB with no result.
>
> Installation of drivers newer than 418 version wouldn't work. The only thing 
> they will do is blacklist "nouveau".
> Version 418 is available in Buster which is current "oldoldstable". [2]
> You can try to backport driver from "oldoldstable" to Bookworm. It might be 
> an impossible task due to possible incompatibilities with kernel 6.x
> There is also an option to install official driver package from Nvidia.
> Or you can install and use Buster.
>
>
> [1] https://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/153717/en-us/
> [2] https://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldOldStable
>
> --
> With kindest regards, Alexander.
>
> ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀
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> ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ https://www.debian.org
> ⠈⠳⣄

problem with sway package

[K S R PHANI BHUSHAN]

i have tried installing sway package in debian bookworm but it was not 
displaying any thing and also the terminal was getting stuck in the 
login page it self when i tried to run sway in the default terminal. i 
have tried this in virtual machine several time still the issues 
remians same , please try to look into this and i have to say that i am 
trying to install sway package in my custom debian - bookworm

Re: Happy 30 Years Debian Project

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Luna Jernberg wrote:
> Happy Birthday 30 years of the Debian Linux Project

\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/\o/


> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianHistory?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Debian-announcement-1993-pic-by-Ian_Murdock.png

Also available as ASCII:
  
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianHistory?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Debian-announcement-1993.txt

Looks like originally it was meant as a kind of Proto-Sid:

 "2) Debian will contain the most up-to-date of everything. The system
 will be easy to keep up-to-date with a 'upgrading' script in
 the base system which will allow complete integration of
 upgrade packages."

Here i see a good argument in case Debian ever discusses to discontinue
the ISO sets with all packages:

 "6) Debian will make Linux easier for users who don't have access to the
 Internet. [...]"


Happy Birthday Debian !


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: Happy 30 Years Debian Project

[Marco]

Am 16.08.2023 um 15:07:35 Uhr schrieb Thomas Schmitt:

> > https://wiki.debian.org/DebianHistory?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Debian-announcement-1993-pic-by-Ian_Murdock.png

Rather interesting that people printed out usenet posts back in these
days.

Debian OS Upgradtion from 9.9 to 11.13

[Malay Chandan]

HI Team,

  We are trying to upgrade Debain OS from 9.9 to bullseye in VMware instance 
hosted in Gcloud.   We are using command apt-get update && upgrade.  But not 
able to update.
Please give your suggestions.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best Regards
Malay Chandan

Tata Consultancy Services Deutschland GmbH, Frankfurt
Contract partner of Bayer AG

On behalf of
Bayer AG
51368 Leverkusen, Germany

Mobile : +91 7073590523
E-Mail (Bayer): malay.chandan@bayer.com
E-Mail (TCS): chandan.ma...@tcs.com

Re: Debian OS Upgradtion from 9.9 to 11.13

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 09:59:14AM +, Malay Chandan wrote:
>HI Team,
> 
> 
> 
>  We are trying to upgrade Debain OS from 9.9 to bullseye in VMware
>instance hosted in Gcloud.   We are using command apt-get update &&
>upgrade.  But not able to update.
> 
>Please give your suggestions.
> 
Your question is impossible to answer. You will need to give some
information about what you did (with actual detail), what you expected
to happen, and how it went wrong.

I recommend that you have a look at [0] and then ask your question
again.

One thing, however, that I can point out is that upgrading by skipping
major releases is not recommended or supported at all. You should really
upgrade from 9.9 -> 9.13 first, then to 10, then to 11.

Regards,

-Roberto

[0] https://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

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Re: Debian OS Upgradtion from 9.9 to 11.13

[Michael Kjörling]

On 16 Aug 2023 09:59 +, from malay.chandan@bayer.com (Malay Chandan):
>   We are trying to upgrade Debain OS from 9.9 to bullseye

It sounds like you are trying to upgrade directly from Debian 9 to
Debian 11. Doing so is not supported because it would skip an
intermediate major Debian release. You have to first follow the
documented upgrade process from Debian 9 to Debian 10 (buster), then
from Debian 10 to Debian 11 (bullseye).

I would also suggest to upgrade all the way to current stable Debian
12 (bookworm), especially if your upgrade cadence is such that you're
still on Debian 9.

https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#upgrade-to-debian-oldrelease

https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/

https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes/

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Re: Happy 30 Years Debian Project

[Nicholas Geovanis]

On Wed, Aug 16, 2023, 9:38 AM Marco  wrote:

> Am 16.08.2023 um 15:07:35 Uhr schrieb Thomas Schmitt:
>
> > >
> https://wiki.debian.org/DebianHistory?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Debian-announcement-1993-pic-by-Ian_Murdock.png
>
> Rather interesting that people printed out usenet posts back in these
> days.
>

Remembering Ian Murdock for a moment, I didn't know him personally. Another
innocent life taken by law enforcement here in the USA. RIP.

>

Re: Happy 30 Years Debian Project

[riveravaldez]

Happy birthday to all, oh, you lovely people/community, oh, this
lovely OS! <3 ^_^ ^o^
#LongLiveFreeSoftware #CopyLeft

Re: Happy 30 Years Debian Project

[Tuco Ramirez]

Happy Birthday Debian

By the way, thank you all who put any amount of work on Debian. 

Thank you Ian.

On August 16, 2023 11:31:35 AM UTC, Luna Jernberg  wrote:
>Happy Birthday 30 years of the Debian Linux Project
>
>https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2023/08/happy-debian-day-going-30-years-strong/
>https://wiki.debian.org/DebianDay/2023
>https://wiki.debian.org/DebianHistory?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Debian-announcement-1993-pic-by-Ian_Murdock.png
>

Re: problem with sway package

[Darac Marjal]

On 16/08/2023 13:19, K S R PHANI BHUSHAN wrote:
i have tried installing sway package in debian bookworm but it was not 
displaying any thing and also the terminal was getting stuck in the 
login page it self when i tried to run sway in the default terminal. i 
have tried this in virtual machine several time still the issues 
remians same , please try to look into this and i have to say that i 
am trying to install sway package in my custom debian - bookworm


How are you launching sway? Typically sway and display managers (gdm, 
kdm etc) don't work very well together. So the usual way to launch it is 
to stop your display manager, log in on a virtual console and run "sway".


Additionally, you should let the list know what display hardware you 
have and, perhaps, what your sway config looks like.




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Re: Happy 30 Years Debian Project

[Nate Bargmann]

Happy anniversary indeed.

30 years for anything is a significant milestone particularly an all, or
nearly all, volunteer project that doesn't have a single person who is
the benevolent dictator for life but instead has had a number of elected
project leaders over that time.  This is very much an accomplishment and
all involved may take a well deserved bow.

My personal foray into Debian began 24 years ago next month, as I
recall.  I installed Slink from a pile of floppies onto a castoff IBM
Thinkpad 760ED.  Most everything worked except for the internal modem
and sound as both were tied to a proprietary DSP that never had support
added to the kernel.  In January 2000 I replaced the by that time
obsolete libc5 based Slackware '96 installation on my desktop and was
running the soon to be stable Potato in short order.

I wish I could say that those original installations had been upgraded
and migrated uninterrupted over the intervening years but I did distro
hopping yet always came back to Debian and also bumped up to amd64 along
the way.

Here's to many more anniversaries.

- Nate

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Re: is it unusual that 12.1 is released so soon after 12?

[hlyg]

Correction: 42 days passed, not 43 days

is it unusual that 12.1 is released so soon after 12?

[hlyg]

only 43 days passed between 12 and 12.1

[22 Jul 2023] Updated Debian 12: 12.1 released
[10 Jun 2023] Debian 12 "bookworm" released

bullseye update cycle is much longer

[17 Dec 2022] Updated Debian 11: 11.6 released
[10 Sep 2022] Updated Debian 10: 10.13 released
[10 Sep 2022] Updated Debian 11: 11.5 released
[09 Jul 2022] Updated Debian 11: 11.4 released
[26 Mar 2022] Updated Debian 11: 11.3 released
[26 Mar 2022] Updated Debian 10: 10.12 released

12.1 seems to solve usb problem that plague me

Re: is it unusual that 12.1 is released so soon after 12?

[Mike Castle]

7: 2013-05-04  https://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130504
7.1: 2013-06-15  https://www.debian.org/News/2013/20130615
42 days

8: 2015-04-25  https://www.debian.org/News/2015/20150426
8.1: 2015-06-06  https://www.debian.org/News/2015/20150606
42 days

9: 2017-06-17  https://www.debian.org/News/2017/20170617
9.1: 2017-07-22  https://www.debian.org/News/2017/20170722
35 days

10: 2019-07-06  https://www.debian.org/News/2019/20190706
10.1: 2019-09-07  https://www.debian.org/News/2019/20190907
63 days

11: 2021-08-14  https://www.debian.org/News/2021/20210814
11.1: 2021-10-09  https://www.debian.org/News/2021/20211009
56 days

12: 2023-06-10  https://www.debian.org/News/2023/20230610
12.1: 2023-07-22  https://www.debian.org/News/2023/20230722
42 days

Re: is it unusual that 12.1 is released so soon after 12?

[hlyg]

Thank Mike Castle!

i suppose update cycle becomes short if there are major important patch, 
correction or adjustments

Re: is it unusual that 12.1 is released so soon after 12?

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Thu, Aug 17, 2023 at 01:20:26PM +0800, hlyg wrote:
> Thank Mike Castle!
> 
> i suppose update cycle becomes short if there are major important patch,
> correction or adjustments
> 
>

I think the aim is to have a roughly 2 month cycle per point release for 
the current stable and a 3-4 month release for "oldstable" during the first
year after a release.

That does mean, if you're unlucky, that there gets to be a double release
every now and again - which means a very long weekend of building and testing.

There are some people who will never ever use a dot-0 release. It's quite
safe to do this in Debian as it will hve had about two years of testing
prior to release.

The idea of a point release is also to periodically round up security fixes
and publish them in a block. If you update regularly - say once a week -
to pick up fixes and patches, then a point release will change very little
indeed.

All the very best, as ever,

Andy