Re: Recommendation for a netbook

[deloptes]

Peter Ehlert wrote:

> we have several HP 820 Elitebooks. like a rock.
> 10" but no touch screen. I think they sold for +/- $1000 when new.
> all of these were eBay finds, probably paid less than $250 each 4 or 5
> years ago.

Yes I also tend to buy used (better refurbished) when I know the make and
model are really good quality.

Re: [OT] Wifi AP for Gigabit LAN/WAN

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Lu, 25 ian 21, 20:16:21, basti wrote:
> Hello,
> at the moment I use 802.11n /2.4GHz wifi. I get 1 Gbit down/250 Mbit up
> WAN in 2 months.
> I'm search for wifi AP to get the best out of my WAN connection.
> I know I need 5GHz wifi.
> 
> Are there any recommends?

A device *fully* supported by OpenWrt.

Read the device specific information carefully, e.g. some devices rely 
on hardware NAT to reach the full 1Gbit/s and it works only with the 
proprietary firmware[1] (which is generally crap).

[1] e.g. the TP-Link Archer C7
https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/archer-c5-c7-wdr7500#nat_performance

Kind regards,
Andrei
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[Alarico Veloz]

Buenos días:

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mercado.

La herramienta, que me gustaría presentarle brevemente, dispone de muchas 
funciones útiles para su trabajo, que optimizan los procesos de transporte y le 
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¿Quiere conocer los detalles?


Atentamente,
Alarico Veloz

Re: [OT] Wifi AP for Gigabit LAN/WAN

[basti]

On 26.01.21 09:28, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Lu, 25 ian 21, 20:16:21, basti wrote:
>> Hello,
>> at the moment I use 802.11n /2.4GHz wifi. I get 1 Gbit down/250 Mbit up
>> WAN in 2 months.
>> I'm search for wifi AP to get the best out of my WAN connection.
>> I know I need 5GHz wifi.
>>
>> Are there any recommends?
> 
> A device *fully* supported by OpenWrt.
> 
> Read the device specific information carefully, e.g. some devices rely 
> on hardware NAT to reach the full 1Gbit/s and it works only with the 
> proprietary firmware[1] (which is generally crap).
> 
> [1] e.g. the TP-Link Archer C7
> https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/archer-c5-c7-wdr7500#nat_performance
> 
> Kind regards,
> Andrei
> 

As I understand it, NAT performance is relevant when I use it as a router?
I have a separate Router/Firewall device, so I should get "gbit wifi"?

Re: [OT] Wifi AP for Gigabit LAN/WAN

[basti]

On 26.01.21 00:39, David Christensen wrote:
>> Am 25.01.21 um 20:16 schrieb basti:
>>> Hello,
>>> at the moment I use 802.11n /2.4GHz wifi. I get 1 Gbit down/250 Mbit up
>>> WAN in 2 months.
>>> I'm search for wifi AP to get the best out of my WAN connection.
>>> I know I need 5GHz wifi.
>>>
>>> Are there any recommends?
> 
> 
> On 2021-01-25 13:11, Frank Michael Dienst wrote:
> 
>> have a look to ubiquiti-AP.
>>
>> https://www.ui.com/unifi/unifi-ap-ac-pro/
>>
>> The AP-AC-Pro systems with two RJ45-connectors work with bonding up to
>> 2,5 Gbit.
> 
> 
> +1 for Ubiquiti UniFi products:
> 
> https://help.ui.com/hc/en-us/articles/360050130353-UniFi-UniFi-Overview
> 
> 
> I started with one UniFi AP AC Lite and set it up with the built-in web
> interface.  It has worked flawlessly ever since.
> 
> 
> But what I really wanted was the UniFi Network Controller.  The
> controller is what provides the "Uni" in UniFi.  It available as
> free-as-in-beer software, bundled in certain UniFi hardware products,
> and via third-party hosting providers.  I got a VPS (linode.com) and
> installed the Debian package.
> 
> 
> I soon added a UniFi Security Gateway (USG).  This integrates with the
> controller and adds network control and monitoring capabilities.  It has
> also worked flawlessly.
> 
> 
> If and when I want to set up a multi-site network and/or VPN's, I can
> add USG's at the remote site(s).
> 
> 
> David
> 

Can I manage my device without the UniFi software via browser or cli?

Re: problem with wget -O

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2021-01-25 17:42:51 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 25 January 2021 17:04:23 Greg Wooledge wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 04:07:33PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > gene@coyote:~/src/build$ cd .. && wget -O opencv.zip
> > > https://github.com/opencv/opencv/archive/master.zip Cannot specify
> > > both -k or --convert-file-only and -O if multiple URLs are given, or
   ^^^^^
> > > in combination with -p or -r. See the manual for details.
> > >
> > > Usage: wget [OPTION]... [URL]...
[...]
> > Do you have a ~/.wgetrc file?  If so, what's in it?  If not, what's in
> > your /etc/wgetrc file (other than comments and blank lines)?
> gene@coyote:~$ cat .wgetrc
> no_parent = on
> follow_ftp = on
> recursive = on
> reclevel = 20
> convert_links = on

Note that convert_links is -k and you have "recursive = on", which
means multiple URLs. Then the use of -O on the command line explains
the error.

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Re: problem with wget -O

[tomas]

On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 05:38:04PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:

[...]

> > > posted at least once today:
> > > gene@coyote:~/src/build$ cd .. && wget -O opencv.zip
> > > https://github.com/opencv/opencv/archive/master.zip Cannot specify
> > > both -k or --convert-file-only and -O if multiple URLs are given, or
> > > in combination with -p or -r. See the manual for details.
> > >
> > > Usage: wget [OPTION]... [URL]...
> > >
> > > But the man page says it's legal.

[...]

> however I also have in my home dir, a .wgetrc, containing:

Ahhh, and here they are...

> no_parent = on
> follow_ftp = on
> recursive = on
  ...the "recursive", aka "-r"...

> reclevel = 20
> convert_links = on
  ...and the "--convert-links" aka "-k" options...

which conflict with your "-O" given on the command line. This was
pretty sly, to hide all that from us. You thought the dot in front
of the file would dupe us? ;-)

Now more seriously: try again, putting aside your .wgetrc. Or see
whether wget's man page offers an option to temporarily ignore
.wgetrc. And thank Greg (I hope I'm not mis-assigning) for mentioning
/etc/wgetrc and .wgetrc!

Side note: please don't mix your wget problems with your other build
problems. This is coufusing the hell of us all. And you don't want
to get help from confused people, do you?

To the build process itself, I just ventured a look to the Debian
package page [1] and some around. Oh boy. A package with > 20
dependencies, with a CMake build infrastructure and all that.

You are into something. Not that I am discouraging you to do it,
on the contrary. This is free software, and that's the gist of it,
after all.

But prepare yourself for a long journey. If I were you, I'd download
the Debian source package and build that, just to see how a successful
build looks like: the Debian infra will take care of installing the
build dependencies and all that.

Once that succeeds you will have more chops to tackle the big beast.

Good luck (and no, I can't help with monster C++/CMake projects).

 - tomás

> 
> 
> Cheers, Gene Heskett
> -- 
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>  soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
> -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
> If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
>  - Louis D. Brandeis
> Genes Web page 
> 


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Re: problem with wget -O

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2021-01-26 10:40:01 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> On 2021-01-25 17:42:51 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Monday 25 January 2021 17:04:23 Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > 
> > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 04:07:33PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > gene@coyote:~/src/build$ cd .. && wget -O opencv.zip
> > > > https://github.com/opencv/opencv/archive/master.zip Cannot specify
> > > > both -k or --convert-file-only and -O if multiple URLs are given, or
 ^^^^
> > > > in combination with -p or -r. See the manual for details.
  ^^
> > > >
> > > > Usage: wget [OPTION]... [URL]...
> [...]
> > > Do you have a ~/.wgetrc file?  If so, what's in it?  If not, what's in
> > > your /etc/wgetrc file (other than comments and blank lines)?
> > gene@coyote:~$ cat .wgetrc
> > no_parent = on
> > follow_ftp = on
> > recursive = on
> > reclevel = 20
> > convert_links = on
> 
> Note that convert_links is -k and you have "recursive = on", which
> means multiple URLs. Then the use of -O on the command line explains
> the error.

Actually the error message explicitly mentions -r, which is implied
by "recursive = on". So, as a summary, you simultaneously have the
equivalent of -k, -O and -r.

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Re: [OT] Wifi AP for Gigabit LAN/WAN

[tomas]

On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 06:00:44PM -0800, David Christensen wrote:

[...]

> AIUI the embedded Linux inside Ubiquiti products is "EdgeOS".
> 
> 
> STFW I am not finding much.  This should be it:
> 
> https://github.com/EdgeOS/

As far as my search engineering [0] reaches for now, EdgeOS is
a derivarive [1] of Vyatta [2], which is a derivative [3] of...
Debian.

Since already Vyatta was an "open cores" model [4], and in the
meantime companies have been bought and sold, I can well imagine
that the Commons have been trampled on in the usual way.

Cheers

[0] Another term for "I don't know what I'm doing and will fall
   for the next low-hanging fake news".
[1] https://wiki.vyos.net/wiki/EdgeOS
[2] https://wiki.vyos.net/wiki/Vyatta
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vyatta
[4] Sometimes, open core models work and are respectful of the
   "core". Most of the time, they don't.

 - t


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Re: Disk problem whilst attempting to install Buster (10.7)

[Tixy]

On Tue, 2021-01-26 at 09:31 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> On Lu, 25 ian 21, 18:12:18, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote
[...]
> > 
> > Hello Dan,  I've been using Bullseye for several months, but thought I'd
> > better stay with Buster as this m/c was bought for a naive friend. It
> > now looks as if Bullseye is the better bet so I'll give it a go tomorrow.
> 
> The freeze for bullseye has already started, so the usual warnings are 
> against using testing are relaxed.
> 
> https://release.debian.org/bullseye/freeze_policy.html
> 
> There will still be many updates until the release, but generally only 
> minor and/or Debian only versions, to fix release critical bugs.

But note that security fixes may be slow. I'm using Bullseye and the
last security update to Firefox on Jan 8th took 9 days to migrate from
unstable to testing. Thought I'd mention this, because Peter says the
machine is being setup for a 'naive friend' so that would imply relying
on getting security fixes promptly and without manual intervention.

In my case, I saw the security announcement so installed Firefox
manually from unstable, but unknown to me at the time, one of the
updated dependences had a critical bug that broke several other
programs in obscure ways.

-- 
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Re: debian-user list information and guidelines : don't use CC mail list

[tomas]

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 11:37:59AM +0800, Robbi Nespu wrote:
> Hi hello

[...]

> I would like ask opinion on a little proposal to add new rule
> regrading using CC with mail list address.
> 
> The reason is, why the sender need to use "TO" to original sender /
> reply-er and CC the mail list, since the original sender / reply-er
> also subscriber to the same mailing list.

Sometimes (s)he is, sometimes not. You don't need a subscription
to post here. This is a conscious decision, to lower the entry
threshold (I haven't contributed to that decision myself, but I
do support it wholly).

> In another case, maybe someone not subscriber but try to help or ask
> for help directly but Debian additional CoC said "Do not quote
> messages that were sent to you by other people in private mail,
> unless agreed beforehand"

This is irrelevant. The above, when someone not subscribed posts a
question, that's what counts here.

> I prepared ASCII table for comparison matrix here[1] have a look, I
> could paste the table here since it may look broken on your email
> client.

Sorry. I'm not clicking on a github link until there is a strong
reason to do so.

> What I wish is to add one more additional code of conduct which
> something like "Do not send or reply email with CC mailing list,
> instead please use TO mailing address to send message if the person
> you want to communicate is coming from mail list" (need better
> sentences)

This discussion comes up here from time to time. It hasn't reached
a clear consensus yet: it's far more complex that it seems, because it
involves mail user agents and the interpretation of not-quite-standard
mail headers.

Do some research on the mailing list archives, and you'll see what
I mean :-)

> Let me know what do you think about it.

To be honest, I'm a bit rubbed the wrong way when you request a
discussion (good!) and come with the result of the discussion ("to
add one more additional code of conduct...").

There will be other positions here, and I expect of everyone to
at least understand the others people's points.

Cheers
 - t


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Re: [OT] Wifi AP for Gigabit LAN/WAN

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Ma, 26 ian 21, 10:05:30, basti wrote:
> On 26.01.21 09:28, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Lu, 25 ian 21, 20:16:21, basti wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >> at the moment I use 802.11n /2.4GHz wifi. I get 1 Gbit down/250 Mbit up
> >> WAN in 2 months.
> >> I'm search for wifi AP to get the best out of my WAN connection.
> >> I know I need 5GHz wifi.
> >>
> >> Are there any recommends?
> > 
> > A device *fully* supported by OpenWrt.
> > 
> > Read the device specific information carefully, e.g. some devices rely 
> > on hardware NAT to reach the full 1Gbit/s and it works only with the 
> > proprietary firmware[1] (which is generally crap).
> > 
> > [1] e.g. the TP-Link Archer C7
> > https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/archer-c5-c7-wdr7500#nat_performance
> 
> As I understand it, NAT performance is relevant when I use it as a router?
> I have a separate Router/Firewall device, so I should get "gbit wifi"?

Oh, right, you only mentioned AP in the Subject. If your router can 
handle (close to) 1 Gbit/s speeds then, yes, the next step is to find a 
suitable AP.

You also need to consider where / how the AP will be used. E.g. this 
article discusses some of the potential issues.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/04/remote-work-lagging-if-you-cant-plug-it-in-upgrade-to-mesh/

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: debian-user list information and guidelines : don't use CC mail list

[Andrei POPESCU]

On Ma, 26 ian 21, 11:37:59, Robbi Nespu wrote:
> Hi hello
> 
> On 24/1/2021 3:24 am, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> > The mailing list is a Debian communication forum. As such, it is subject to 
> > both the Debian mailing list Code of Conduct and the main Debian Code of 
> > Conduct
> > 
> > https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct
> > https://www.debian.org/code_of_conduct
> > 
> > This is a fairly busy mailing list and you may have to wait for an answer - 
> > please be patient. Please post answers back to the list so others can 
> > benefit; private
> > conversations don't benefit people who may be following along on the list 
> > or reading the archives later.
> > 
> > Help and advice on this list is provided by volunteers in their own time. 
> > It is common for there to be different opinions or answers provided. If 
> > responding to
> > someone, be considerate of their time and effort.
> 
> I would like ask opinion on a little proposal to add new rule regrading
> using CC with mail list address.
> 
> The reason is, why the sender need to use "TO" to original sender / reply-er
> and CC the mail list, since the original sender / reply-er also subscriber
> to the same mailing list.
> 
> In another case, maybe someone not subscriber but try to help or ask for
> help directly but Debian additional CoC said "Do not quote messages that
> were sent to you by other people in private mail, unless agreed beforehand"
> 
> I prepared ASCII table for comparison matrix here[1] have a look, I could
> paste the table here since it may look broken on your email client.
> 
> What I wish is to add one more additional code of conduct which something
> like "Do not send or reply email with CC mailing list, instead please use TO
> mailing address to send message if the person you want to communicate is
> coming from mail list" (need better sentences)
> 
> Let me know what do you think about it.
> 
> [1] 
> https://gist.githubusercontent.com/RobbiNespu/ed58a5cf28560e47a8a6a3f717bdccca/raw/47a06adc566e00c9055b3c8a7b40ab70e5494f39/gistfile1.txt
 
In my understanding of the above and your table the Mailing List CoC 
already covers all your cases, so I must be misunderstanding something.

Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: problem with wget -O

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 26 January 2021 04:47:27 Vincent Lefevre wrote:

> On 2021-01-26 10:40:01 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > On 2021-01-25 17:42:51 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Monday 25 January 2021 17:04:23 Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 04:07:33PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > > gene@coyote:~/src/build$ cd .. && wget -O opencv.zip
> > > > > https://github.com/opencv/opencv/archive/master.zip Cannot
> > > > > specify both -k or --convert-file-only and -O if multiple URLs
> > > > > are given, or
>
>  ^^^^
>
> > > > > in combination with -p or -r. See the manual for details.
>
>   ^^
>
> > > > > Usage: wget [OPTION]... [URL]...
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > > Do you have a ~/.wgetrc file?  If so, what's in it?  If not,
> > > > what's in your /etc/wgetrc file (other than comments and blank
> > > > lines)?
> > >
> > > gene@coyote:~$ cat .wgetrc
> > > no_parent = on
> > > follow_ftp = on
> > > recursive = on
> > > reclevel = 20
> > > convert_links = on
> >
> > Note that convert_links is -k and you have "recursive = on", which
> > means multiple URLs. Then the use of -O on the command line explains
> > the error.
>
> Actually the error message explicitly mentions -r, which is implied
> by "recursive = on". So, as a summary, you simultaneously have the
> equivalent of -k, -O and -r.

The thing I don't get was that is the direct command from their buildit 
page. You would think that would lead to such a common failure that it 
would be documented.
And I went back thru the history and found some dependency fail this 
might have cause, and which synaptic won't let me fix, broken held 
packages but won't ident the clashes so they might be fixed. So I blew 
away my .wgetrc and am pulling fresh copies of both.

Thanks for hanging in there till we actually found the problem. Much 
appreciated everybody.


Cheers, Gene Heskett
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 - Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page 

Re: problem with wget -O

[Nicolas George]

Greg Wooledge (12021-01-25):
> Gene, you've been here a while, so you should know better than this.

Where's the incentive at knowing better when one gets more help by
making no efforts?

Regards,

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Re: problem with wget -O

[tomas]

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 12:30:39PM +0100, Nicolas George wrote:
> Greg Wooledge (12021-01-25):
> > Gene, you've been here a while, so you should know better than this.
> 
> Where's the incentive at knowing better when one gets more help by
> making no efforts?

I think this is a bit unfair. I humbly suggest to enhance such generic
rants with some concrete help, at the very least.

Cheers
 - t


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Re: problem with wget -O

[l0f4r0]

Hi,

26 janv. 2021 à 10:44 de to...@tuxteam.de:

> And thank Greg (I hope I'm not mis-assigning) for mentioning
> /etc/wgetrc and .wgetrc!
>
Let's not forget Darac Marjal who was the first (by a few minutes) actually ;)

Best regards,
l0f4r0

Re: [OT] Wifi AP for Gigabit LAN/WAN

[Henning Follmann]

On Tue, 2021-01-26 at 10:05 +0100, basti wrote:
> On 26.01.21 09:28, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
> > On Lu, 25 ian 21, 20:16:21, basti wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > at the moment I use 802.11n /2.4GHz wifi. I get 1 Gbit down/250
> > > Mbit up
> > > WAN in 2 months.
> > > I'm search for wifi AP to get the best out of my WAN connection.
> > > I know I need 5GHz wifi.
> > > 
> > > Are there any recommends?
> > 
> > A device *fully* supported by OpenWrt.
> > 
> > Read the device specific information carefully, e.g. some devices
> > rely 
> > on hardware NAT to reach the full 1Gbit/s and it works only with
> > the 
> > proprietary firmware[1] (which is generally crap).
> > 
> > [1] e.g. the TP-Link Archer C7
> > https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/archer-c5-c7-wdr7500#nat_performance
> > 
> > Kind regards,
> > Andrei
> > 
> 
> As I understand it, NAT performance is relevant when I use it as a
> router?
> I have a separate Router/Firewall device, so I should get "gbit
> wifi"?
> 
> 
Well,
judging by your e-mail address you are from Germany.
Check your local magazines for some reviews (C't might be one).
If you really think you can get a 1Gbit stream via Wifi you
are fantazing. If you have a decent router connect via cable.
And if you are connecting multiple machines invest in
a decent switch.
Your best guess to get high throughput whicg doesn't
degrate in real life (other AP in the area, multiple
clients...) is wifi 6. There are not many available,
and even less devices available for a linux machine,

While I use a ubiquity AP, I do not recomment those.
In most cases you are stuck with their managing software
or some Apps on Android/ios.
It's not an issue here , because wifi is mainly for
the Misses' ipad. I ran cat6 cable when we bought the 
place.




-H 

Re: problem with wget -O

[Greg Wooledge]

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 06:27:40AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> The thing I don't get was that is the direct command from their buildit 
> page. You would think that would lead to such a common failure that it 
> would be documented.

Nobody should have to guess that the reader has a custom ~/.wgetrc file
with multiple non-default options set to "on".  It is completely unfair
to put the blame for this on the writers of documentation that involves
downloading files.

It would be like... reading a cookbook that tells you how to bake cookies,
but complaining that the cookbook does not take into account that your
oven's temperature control is in Kelvin instead of degrees Fahrenheit.

Re: [OT] Wifi AP for Gigabit LAN/WAN

[basti]

> Well,
> judging by your e-mail address you are from Germany.
> Check your local magazines for some reviews (C't might be one).
> If you really think you can get a 1Gbit stream via Wifi you
> are fantazing. If you have a decent router connect via cable.
> And if you are connecting multiple machines invest in
> a decent switch.
> Your best guess to get high throughput whicg doesn't
> degrate in real life (other AP in the area, multiple
> clients...) is wifi 6. There are not many available,
> and even less devices available for a linux machine,
> 
> While I use a ubiquity AP, I do not recomment those.
> In most cases you are stuck with their managing software
> or some Apps on Android/ios.
> It's not an issue here , because wifi is mainly for
> the Misses' ipad. I ran cat6 cable when we bought the 
> place.

Yes I know, Wifi can't get 1Gbit at the moment, I would only get close
to it. 500Mbit/s are also OK (the TP-link Archer C7) seems to get it and
this is much more than my 300Mbit that I have at the moment.

The possibility to run openWRT at the TP-link Archer C7 sounds good,
I will have a look at.

Re: problem with wget -O

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2021-01-26 06:27:40 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> The thing I don't get was that is the direct command from their
> buildit page.

If they did not specify a --no-config option, their buildit page
is buggy.

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Re: problem with wget -O

[tomas]

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 01:35:09PM +0100, l0f...@tuta.io wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 26 janv. 2021 à 10:44 de to...@tuxteam.de:
> 
> > And thank Greg (I hope I'm not mis-assigning) for mentioning
> > /etc/wgetrc and .wgetrc!
> >
> Let's not forget Darac Marjal who was the first (by a few minutes) actually ;)

Thanks for straightening up my mis-assignment.

Cheers
 - t


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Re: problem with wget -O

[Vincent Lefevre]

On 2021-01-26 07:36:46 -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 06:27:40AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > The thing I don't get was that is the direct command from their buildit 
> > page. You would think that would lead to such a common failure that it 
> > would be documented.
> 
> Nobody should have to guess that the reader has a custom ~/.wgetrc file
> with multiple non-default options set to "on".  It is completely unfair
> to put the blame for this on the writers of documentation that involves
> downloading files.

Having non-default options in a .wgetrc file is the point of a
.wgetrc file. :-)

But perhaps wget should not read a config by default. This is
what GNU grep did by no longer supporting GREP_OPTIONS: if a
user wants default options, he can create an alias (with a name
different from any common utility). For instance, for grep,
I have a "gr" alias: it is shorter to type and doesn't break
the default usage of grep (which may be needed in scripts and
in commands from documentation).

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Re: problem with wget -O

[Celejar]

On Tue, 26 Jan 2021 14:51:30 +0100
Vincent Lefevre  wrote:

> On 2021-01-26 07:36:46 -0500, Greg Wooledge wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 06:27:40AM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > The thing I don't get was that is the direct command from their buildit 
> > > page. You would think that would lead to such a common failure that it 
> > > would be documented.
> > 
> > Nobody should have to guess that the reader has a custom ~/.wgetrc file
> > with multiple non-default options set to "on".  It is completely unfair
> > to put the blame for this on the writers of documentation that involves
> > downloading files.
> 
> Having non-default options in a .wgetrc file is the point of a
> .wgetrc file. :-)
> 
> But perhaps wget should not read a config by default. This is

Or alternatively, build scripts that use standard tools should
explicitly disable configuration file reading, e.g.:

wget --no-config ...

Celejar

Re: [OT] Wifi AP for Gigabit LAN/WAN

[Henning Follmann]

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 01:59:43PM +0100, basti wrote:
[...]
> 
> Yes I know, Wifi can't get 1Gbit at the moment, I would only get close
> to it. 500Mbit/s are also OK (the TP-link Archer C7) seems to get it and
> this is much more than my 300Mbit that I have at the moment.
>
If 300MBit/s is what you really get right now, you are OK.
Most likely whatever you will change will not get much higher than that.
Sure the specs will always claim more , but real life effective
throughput of 300 MBits/s is pretty much great bordering on awesome.


> The possibility to run openWRT at the TP-link Archer C7 sounds good,
> I will have a look at.
> 
>


-H

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Re: [OT] Wifi AP for Gigabit LAN/WAN

[basti]

On 26.01.21 16:31, Henning Follmann wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 01:59:43PM +0100, basti wrote:
> [...]
>>
>> Yes I know, Wifi can't get 1Gbit at the moment, I would only get close
>> to it. 500Mbit/s are also OK (the TP-link Archer C7) seems to get it and
>> this is much more than my 300Mbit that I have at the moment.
>>
> If 300MBit/s is what you really get right now, you are OK.
> Most likely whatever you will change will not get much higher than that.
> Sure the specs will always claim more , but real life effective
> throughput of 300 MBits/s is pretty much great bordering on awesome.
> 
> 
>> The possibility to run openWRT at the TP-link Archer C7 sounds good,
>> I will have a look at.
>>
>>
> 
> 
> -H
> 
I mean wifi 802.11n so I get round about 4 MB/s if I would get 30-40
MB/s its ok.

Re: Disk problem whilst attempting to install Buster (10.7)

[Peter Hillier-Brook]

On 26/01/2021 10:10, Tixy wrote:
> On Tue, 2021-01-26 at 09:31 +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
>> On Lu, 25 ian 21, 18:12:18, Peter Hillier-Brook wrote
> [...]
>>>
>>> Hello Dan,  I've been using Bullseye for several months, but thought I'd
>>> better stay with Buster as this m/c was bought for a naive friend. It
>>> now looks as if Bullseye is the better bet so I'll give it a go tomorrow.
>>
>> The freeze for bullseye has already started, so the usual warnings are 
>> against using testing are relaxed.
>>
>> https://release.debian.org/bullseye/freeze_policy.html
>>
>> There will still be many updates until the release, but generally only 
>> minor and/or Debian only versions, to fix release critical bugs.
> 
> But note that security fixes may be slow. I'm using Bullseye and the
> last security update to Firefox on Jan 8th took 9 days to migrate from
> unstable to testing. Thought I'd mention this, because Peter says the
> machine is being setup for a 'naive friend' so that would imply relying
> on getting security fixes promptly and without manual intervention.
> 
> In my case, I saw the security announcement so installed Firefox
> manually from unstable, but unknown to me at the time, one of the
> updated dependences had a critical bug that broke several other
> programs in obscure ways.
> 
Thanks to all. Bullseye up and running: alls well that ends well.

Peter HB

Re: [OT] Wifi AP for Gigabit LAN/WAN

[Stefan Monnier]

> I mean wifi 802.11n so I get round about 4 MB/s if I would get 30-40
> MB/s its ok.

Thanks!  I see so few reports of wifi rates with which I can relate,
that it's like a breath of fresh air.

I have seen 25MB/s actual download rate on my smartphone when connected
over wifi in a coffeehouse, but here in my house, I've never seen more
than 6MB/s actual transfer rate even when my AP says that the
connection is currently using "300Mb/s").


Stefan

Re: [OT] Wifi AP for Gigabit LAN/WAN

[basti]

Am 26.01.21 um 17:25 schrieb Stefan Monnier:
>> I mean wifi 802.11n so I get round about 4 MB/s if I would get 30-40
>> MB/s its ok.
> 
> Thanks!  I see so few reports of wifi rates with which I can relate,
> that it's like a breath of fresh air.
> 
> I have seen 25MB/s actual download rate on my smartphone when connected
> over wifi in a coffeehouse, but here in my house, I've never seen more
> than 6MB/s actual transfer rate even when my AP says that the
> connection is currently using "300Mb/s").
> 
> 
> Stefan

Hello Stefan,

it depent on more than the wifi standard,
- what mimo ?
- enviroment (walls, other wifi in the neighbourhood, distance
sender/receiver)

wifi is a shared media, so you can devide the max datarate/2
(client must ack there received packages)

Is in german but the table can give you an overview.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datendurchsatz

Re: [OT] Wifi AP for Gigabit LAN/WAN

[David Christensen]

On 2021-01-26 01:07, basti wrote:


On 26.01.21 00:39, David Christensen wrote:

Am 25.01.21 um 20:16 schrieb basti:

Hello,
at the moment I use 802.11n /2.4GHz wifi. I get 1 Gbit down/250 Mbit up
WAN in 2 months.
I'm search for wifi AP to get the best out of my WAN connection.
I know I need 5GHz wifi.



+1 for Ubiquiti UniFi products:

https://help.ui.com/hc/en-us/articles/360050130353-UniFi-UniFi-Overview


I started with one UniFi AP AC Lite and set it up with the built-in web
interface.  It has worked flawlessly ever since.



Can I manage my device without the UniFi software via browser or cli?


For my AP AC Lite:

https://www.ui.com/download/unifi/default/default/unifi-ac-lite-ap-quick-start-guide


I see two choices:

1.  UniFi Network Controller software for Debian/ Ubuntu, Windows, or macOS:

https://www.ui.com/download/unifi

2.  UniFi Network smartphone application for iOS or Android:

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/unifi-network/id1057750338


https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ubnt.easyunifi&hl=en&gl=US


Once configured, the AP will continue to work without any of the above. 
So, you can use either like a consumer AP browser control panel.



David

Re: [OT] Wifi AP for Gigabit LAN/WAN

[David Christensen]

On 2021-01-26 01:05, basti wrote:

On 26.01.21 09:28, Andrei POPESCU wrote:

On Lu, 25 ian 21, 20:16:21, basti wrote:

Hello,
at the moment I use 802.11n /2.4GHz wifi. I get 1 Gbit down/250 Mbit up
WAN in 2 months.
I'm search for wifi AP to get the best out of my WAN connection.
I know I need 5GHz wifi.

Are there any recommends?


A device *fully* supported by OpenWrt.

Read the device specific information carefully, e.g. some devices rely
on hardware NAT to reach the full 1Gbit/s and it works only with the
proprietary firmware[1] (which is generally crap).

[1] e.g. the TP-Link Archer C7
https://openwrt.org/toh/tp-link/archer-c5-c7-wdr7500#nat_performance

Kind regards,
Andrei



As I understand it, NAT performance is relevant when I use it as a router?
I have a separate Router/Firewall device, so I should get "gbit wifi"?



Network Address Translation (NAT) is a function of firewall/ routers. 
It translates many IP addresses on one or more networks (LAN, Wi-Fi) 
onto one shared IP address on another network (WAN).



The UniFi AP 6 Lite supports 1.5 Gbps aggregate over 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz 
Wi-Fi for $99:


https://unifi-network.ui.com/wi-fi


One should be sufficient for most wood-frame residential/ SOHO 
applications, assuming the signal can get through the walls.  My UniFi 
AP AC Lite is the previous generation.  It is located on a high self 
near the center of our house, and works fine.



Adding more AP's to improve line-of-site (e.g. one AP per room or space) 
and/or to reduce the number of clients per AP (e.g. multiple AP's in 
large rooms or spaces) will help Wi-Fi performance.



David

about apt and aptitude update

[Harry Putnam]

I use both apt and cmdline aptitude. Mostly cmdline aptitude

I'm curios if when I call `apt update' or `aptitude update', if they
are refreshing the same database files... wondering if I could do just
one update on either tool and that would do both.

Re: about apt and aptitude update

[tomas]

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 04:37:39PM -0500, Harry Putnam wrote:
> I use both apt and cmdline aptitude. Mostly cmdline aptitude
> 
> I'm curios if when I call `apt update' or `aptitude update', if they
> are refreshing the same database files... wondering if I could do just
> one update on either tool and that would do both.

Yes.

Cheers
 - t


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Screen scaling and 4k support in libvirt with qemu/kvm

[Rainer Dorsch]

Hi,

with virtualbox, it is possible that the guest system rescales its screen if I 
change the window for the guest (and virtualbox guest tools are installed at 
least). Does anybody know if that is possible with virt-manager/libvirt/qemu/
kvm?

Also I noticed that I cannot scale my guest higher than 1920x1200. Is the max 
resolution configured somewhere or is this a fundamental limitation?

Both my host and guest are Debian 10.

Thanks
Rainer

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