Re: libgparted bug.

[Curt]

On 2018-02-11, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> On Sunday 11 February 2018 18:19:00 Brian wrote:
>
>> On Sun 11 Feb 2018 at 17:07:03 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
>> > On Sunday 11 February 2018 15:31:13 Brian wrote:
>> > > linuxcnc is an Xfce based system and that DE does the
>> > > automounting. It is not usbmount or 60-persistent-storage.rules.
>> > > I'm fairly sure there is a way of turning it off but haven't
>> > > examined the situation.
>> >
>> > And again the system doing the work is NOT the rock64, but this
>> > machine here in the house, a 32 bit wheezy install running TDE as
>> > the DE.
>>
>> TDE has support channels. People there are far more likely to be
>> familiar with wheezy (unsupported on Debian) and their own packages
>> (not in Debian) and any automounting issues.
>
> Their mailing list turned into a black hole around 9 months back.  And 
> I'm subscribed.
>

A person on the trinity-users mailing list opined that there is a
right-click-on-the-automounted-usb contextual menu in TDE, and deep
within that menu somewhere is an option to turn off automounting by
unchecking the relevant menu item.

I can't vouch for the veracity, or even the pertinence, of this info,
but there you go.

https://www.spinics.net/lists/trinity-users/msg01436.html


-- 
I think it’s more like we both had this rich neighbor named Xerox and I broke
into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had already stolen
it.”  Gates telling Jobs why Apple didn't really get ripped off by Microsoft.

removing mu contacts

[Daniel Nemenyi]

Hi all,

I've got incorrect email addresses in my mu contacts index, thanks to
typos in their source emails. They've gotten me in trouble a few times
but I haven't been able to work out how to remove the from the mu
cfind index. Any ideas? I've tried deleting the original emails but
they still appear.

Thanks!
Daniel

Re: Strange Loss of Synaptic Functionality

[davidson]

On Sun, 11 Feb 2018, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:


On Sat, 2018-02-10 at 14:36 -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:

On Sat, 2018-02-10 at 19:29 +0100, Ulf Volmer wrote:

On 10.02.2018 19:03, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:


Host -
root@AbNormal:/home/comp# ip -6 a
1: lo:  mtu 65536 state UNKNOWN qlen 1000
inet6 ::1/128 scope host
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
2: enp2s0:  mtu 1500 state UP
qlen
1000
inet6 2600:1700:4280:3690::49/128 scope global dynamic
   valid_lft 1209477sec preferred_lft 1209477sec
inet6 2600:1700:4280:3690:98c1:1a97:c2c5:b6f5/64 scope global
temporary dynamic
   valid_lft 604678sec preferred_lft 86021sec
inet6 2600:1700:4280:3690:beee:7bff:fe5e:8336/64 scope global
mngtmpaddr noprefixroute dynamic
   valid_lft 1209509sec preferred_lft 1209509sec
inet6 fe80::beee:7bff:fe5e:8336/64 scope link
   valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
Incidentally, here's what I get when I attempt pinging
security.debian.org:
comp@AbNormal:~$ ping -6 security.debian.org
PING security.debian.org(mirror-umn2.debian.org
(2607:ea00:101:3c0b::1deb:215)) 56 data bytes
^C
--- security.debian.org ping statistics ---
16 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time
15358ms

comp@AbNormal:~$ wget -6 security.debian.org
--2018-02-10 12:10:09--  http://security.debian.org/
Resolving security.debian.org (security.debian.org)...
2607:ea00:101:3c0b::1deb:215, 2610:148:1f10:3::73,
2001:4f8:1:c::14
Connecting to security.debian.org
(security.debian.org)|2607:ea00:101:3c0b::1deb:215|:80... ^C



ok, that's looks likes expected, you have a (correct) ipv6
configuration
on your physical host and no ipv6 configuration on your VM (only
link
local ipv6 address).

So your should check either your local router or deal with your
ISP.

Somebody announces your physical host an ipv6 address but this
connection will not works at the moment.

best regards
Ulf



Just got off the phone with AT&T tech support.  Their testing
indicates
a problem which they will address tomorrow.

I would like to say that I really appreciate the support I've been
getting.



AT&T Tech Support has come and gone.   A nice chap and he did find a
low light level problem.  He checked the settings on the modem to be
sure they were optimum.

He'd played with Ubuntu some years ago, but was discouraged by monitor
driver issues and hasn't done anything lately.  He did find one URL:

https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/system-failed-to-fet
ch-an-apt-get-update-4175426643/

but that complained about a gpg error about no public key.  So I would
assume that URL doesn't apply to my problem.

I have noticed that I can ping my router and my windows platform, but
not external ULR's, yahoo.com for instance.  I find the same behavior
on my MS Win platform, except external URL's time out rather than
require a ctrl-C to return control to the terminal.

As I see the same behavior on the part of two different computers and
two different OS' I can't believe that the modem is operating
correctly.  Can it be an OS problem.  The trouble started with the
installation of the new mode for the fiber optic network.  I should
also mention that when I install Linux I always depend on the automatic
configuration for the network and it worked worked perfectly before the
advent of the new modem.

I would appreciate comments and further suggestions.


Reading the man page for apt.conf, I notice there is a boolean
configuration option Acquire::ForceIPv4.

You might see what happens if you set that option to true when you
attempt update/upgrade:

 # apt-get -o Acquire::ForceIPv4=true update

and then

 # apt-get -o Acquire::ForceIPv4=true upgrade

It sounds to me like you experience a more general problem with ipv6
networking. But maybe this would enable you to update and upgrade your
OS in the meantime, while you sort out the more general problem.

Caveat: Regarding computer networks, I am a troglodyte, and this is a
blind stab in the dark.

Good luck!

Dell Open Manage

[Adam Weremczuk]

Hello,

I'm referring to:

http://linux.dell.com/repo/community/debian/

Does anybody know if jessie version works well on stretch?

Or if an official release for stretch is going to be available soon?

Thanks
Adam

Re: Dell Open Manage

[Chris]

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 10:34:45 +
Adam Weremczuk wrote:

> Or if an official release for stretch is going to be available soon?

There should be a Stretch packet in december already, but there isn't.
The Jessie package is working:

0. use old SSL library :(
- wget
http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openslp-dfsg/libslp1_1.2.1-10+deb8u1_amd64.deb
- wget
http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/o/openssl/libssl1.0.0_1.0.2l-1~bpo8+1_amd64.deb
- mkdir libslp libssl
- dpkg -x libslp1_1.2.1-10+deb8u1_amd64.deb libslp (isn't necessary?)
- dpkg -x libssl1.0.0_1.0.2l-1~bpo8+1_amd64.deb libssl
- from libssl:
- cp -R * /opt/dell/srvadmin/lib64

1. use a wrapper
#!/bin/bash
export LD_PRELOAD=/opt/dell/srvadmin/lib64/libcrypto.so.1.0.0
/opt/dell/srvadmin/sbin/omreport.orig $*

2. don't forget to start

/opt/dell/srvadmin/sbin/srvadmin-services.sh

- Chris


-- 
Papst Franziskus ruft zum Kampf gegen Fake News auf. Wir finden, der
Mann, der sich als Stellvertreter Christi ausgibt, von dem er
behauptet, dessen Mutter sei zeitlebens Jungfrau gewesen, er hätte über
Wasser gehen und selbiges in Wein verwandeln können, hat vollkommen
recht.

Re: Strange Loss of Synaptic Functionality

[Stephen P. Molnar]

On Mon, 2018-02-12 at 10:09 +, davidson wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Feb 2018, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 2018-02-10 at 14:36 -0500, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> >> On Sat, 2018-02-10 at 19:29 +0100, Ulf Volmer wrote:
> >>> On 10.02.2018 19:03, Stephen P. Molnar wrote:
> >>>
>  Host -
>  root@AbNormal:/home/comp# ip -6 a
>  1: lo:  mtu 65536 state UNKNOWN qlen 1000
>  inet6 ::1/128 scope host
>     valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
>  2: enp2s0:  mtu 1500 state UP
>  qlen
>  1000
>  inet6 2600:1700:4280:3690::49/128 scope global dynamic
>     valid_lft 1209477sec preferred_lft 1209477sec
>  inet6 2600:1700:4280:3690:98c1:1a97:c2c5:b6f5/64 scope
> global
>  temporary dynamic
>     valid_lft 604678sec preferred_lft 86021sec
>  inet6 2600:1700:4280:3690:beee:7bff:fe5e:8336/64 scope
> global
>  mngtmpaddr noprefixroute dynamic
>     valid_lft 1209509sec preferred_lft 1209509sec
>  inet6 fe80::beee:7bff:fe5e:8336/64 scope link
>     valid_lft forever preferred_lft forever
>  Incidentally, here's what I get when I attempt pinging
>  security.debian.org:
>  comp@AbNormal:~$ ping -6 security.debian.org
>  PING security.debian.org(mirror-umn2.debian.org
>  (2607:ea00:101:3c0b::1deb:215)) 56 data bytes
>  ^C
>  --- security.debian.org ping statistics ---
>  16 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time
>  15358ms
> 
>  comp@AbNormal:~$ wget -6 security.debian.org
>  --2018-02-10 12:10:09--  http://security.debian.org/
>  Resolving security.debian.org (security.debian.org)...
>  2607:ea00:101:3c0b::1deb:215, 2610:148:1f10:3::73,
>  2001:4f8:1:c::14
>  Connecting to security.debian.org
>  (security.debian.org)|2607:ea00:101:3c0b::1deb:215|:80... ^C
> 
> >>>
> >>> ok, that's looks likes expected, you have a (correct) ipv6
> >>> configuration
> >>> on your physical host and no ipv6 configuration on your VM (only
> >>> link
> >>> local ipv6 address).
> >>>
> >>> So your should check either your local router or deal with your
> >>> ISP.
> >>>
> >>> Somebody announces your physical host an ipv6 address but this
> >>> connection will not works at the moment.
> >>>
> >>> best regards
> >>> Ulf
> >>>
> >>
> >> Just got off the phone with AT&T tech support.  Their testing
> >> indicates
> >> a problem which they will address tomorrow.
> >>
> >> I would like to say that I really appreciate the support I've been
> >> getting.
> >>
> >
> > AT&T Tech Support has come and gone.   A nice chap and he did find
> a
> > low light level problem.  He checked the settings on the modem to
> be
> > sure they were optimum.
> >
> > He'd played with Ubuntu some years ago, but was discouraged by
> monitor
> > driver issues and hasn't done anything lately.  He did find one
> URL:
> >
> > https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/system-failed-to
> -fet
> > ch-an-apt-get-update-4175426643/
> >
> > but that complained about a gpg error about no public key.  So I
> would
> > assume that URL doesn't apply to my problem.
> >
> > I have noticed that I can ping my router and my windows platform,
> but
> > not external ULR's, yahoo.com for instance.  I find the same
> behavior
> > on my MS Win platform, except external URL's time out rather than
> > require a ctrl-C to return control to the terminal.
> >
> > As I see the same behavior on the part of two different computers
> and
> > two different OS' I can't believe that the modem is operating
> > correctly.  Can it be an OS problem.  The trouble started with the
> > installation of the new mode for the fiber optic network.  I should
> > also mention that when I install Linux I always depend on the
> automatic
> > configuration for the network and it worked worked perfectly before
> the
> > advent of the new modem.
> >
> > I would appreciate comments and further suggestions.
> 
> Reading the man page for apt.conf, I notice there is a boolean
> configuration option Acquire::ForceIPv4.
> 
> You might see what happens if you set that option to true when you
> attempt update/upgrade:
> 
>   # apt-get -o Acquire::ForceIPv4=true update
> 
> and then
> 
>   # apt-get -o Acquire::ForceIPv4=true upgrade
> 
> It sounds to me like you experience a more general problem with ipv6
> networking. But maybe this would enable you to update and upgrade
> your
> OS in the meantime, while you sort out the more general problem.
> 
> Caveat: Regarding computer networks, I am a troglodyte, and this is a
> blind stab in the dark.
> 
> Good luck!

Good suggestion.  It worked.

Many thanks.

Re: Where to find weekly livecd builds?

[Curt]

On 2018-02-11, Clemens Eisserer  wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I am looking for weekly usb images of testing or unstable - including
> the functionality to persist changes made to the filesystem to usb.
> What I've found so far is:
> https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-live-builds/amd64/iso-hybrid/

I went here:

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-live-builds/amd64/iso-hybrid/

> However I don't see any downloadabe images, only .contents and .log
> files in that directory.

That's odd. I see them (at the bottom of the page). Maybe they arrived
after you left.

Here's one of the download links:

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-live-builds/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-testing-amd64-lxde.iso

Here's another:

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-live-builds/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-testing-amd64-xfce.iso

> Am I looking at the wrong place?
>

No, I don't think you are. Maybe timing is everything.

> Thank you in advance, Clemens
>
>


-- 
I think it’s more like we both had this rich neighbor named Xerox and I broke
into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had already stolen
it.”  Gates telling Jobs why Apple didn't really get ripped off by Microsoft.

Re: Where to find weekly livecd builds?

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

Curt wrote:
> That's odd.
> https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-live-builds/amd64/iso-hybrid/debia
n-live-testing-amd64-lxde.iso

It's swift (again).

Clemens reported to debian-live
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2018/02/msg00017.html
and Steve McIntyre fixed the problem
  https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2018/02/msg00019.html


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Issues installing 8.10 on IBM x3550M4

[richey goldberg]

Hello,


I've been struggling with an issue trying to install 8.10 netinst
(amd64) on an IBM x3550 M4.  When I boot into the install image I get
the splash screen and install menu.  If I choose the install option
the screen "flickers" like it's changing the screen resolution and
then I just get a blank screen with nothing else.The only option
is to power cycle the server and start over.

I have four of these servers that I need to load this image on and all
four servers exhibit the same behavior.   I initially thought the
issue was because I was trying to remotely install the image with the
IMM2 but when I got to the office this morning and tried the install
locally I get the same thing.

I've googled quite a bit and found similar issues but these were after
the install was complete and with people who were running a desktop on
their servers.These servers will run with the CLI only, no desktop
needed.

Has anyone run into this issue before trying to install on an IBM server?
-richey

Re: Issues installing 8.10 on IBM x3550M4

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 09:06:18AM -0500, richey goldberg wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> 
> I've been struggling with an issue trying to install 8.10 netinst
> (amd64) on an IBM x3550 M4.  When I boot into the install image I get
> the splash screen and install menu.  If I choose the install option
> the screen "flickers" like it's changing the screen resolution and
> then I just get a blank screen with nothing else.The only option
> is to power cycle the server and start over.
> 
Are you choosing the option for a GUI installation or a text-based
installation?

Have you tried connecting to the serial console to see if the output is
being sent there?  Or if you are already connected to the serial
console, have you tried connecting to the VGA output?

Regards,

-Roberto

-- 
Roberto C. Sánchez

Re: Issues installing 8.10 on IBM x3550M4

[richey goldberg]

I tried both the text (preferred method) and graphical and I get the
same thing. I initially tried installing remotely using the IMM2
built in KVM.  Thinking that was the issue I connected directly to the
VGA and I get the same results.

The servers previously had a 64bit version of Ubuntu on them.

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 9:16 AM, Roberto C. Sánchez  wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 09:06:18AM -0500, richey goldberg wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>>
>> I've been struggling with an issue trying to install 8.10 netinst
>> (amd64) on an IBM x3550 M4.  When I boot into the install image I get
>> the splash screen and install menu.  If I choose the install option
>> the screen "flickers" like it's changing the screen resolution and
>> then I just get a blank screen with nothing else.The only option
>> is to power cycle the server and start over.
>>
> Are you choosing the option for a GUI installation or a text-based
> installation?
>
> Have you tried connecting to the serial console to see if the output is
> being sent there?  Or if you are already connected to the serial
> console, have you tried connecting to the VGA output?
>
> Regards,
>
> -Roberto
>
> --
> Roberto C. Sánchez
>

Re: Issues installing 8.10 on IBM x3550M4

[Roberto C . Sánchez]

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 09:27:34AM -0500, richey goldberg wrote:
> I tried both the text (preferred method) and graphical and I get the
> same thing. I initially tried installing remotely using the IMM2
> built in KVM.  Thinking that was the issue I connected directly to the
> VGA and I get the same results.
> 
> The servers previously had a 64bit version of Ubuntu on them.
> 
I suspect that you need a special command-line option to pass to the
kernel.  Last year I had to install Debian on an HP server and I had to
pass at least one option to the installer kernel to get the installer to
boot.  If you can still boot the old Ubuntu that is installed on them,
you might want to run 'cat /proc/cmdline' to see how the kernel was
booted.  That might give you a hint as to what you might need to tell
the Debian installer kernel.

Regards,

-Roberto

-- 
Roberto C. Sánchez

Re: Dell Open Manage

[David Wright]

On Mon 12 Feb 2018 at 10:34:45 (+), Adam Weremczuk wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm referring to:
> 
> http://linux.dell.com/repo/community/debian/
> 
> Does anybody know if jessie version works well on stretch?
> 
> Or if an official release for stretch is going to be available soon?

On stretch, if *they* don't know, I doubt you'll get much joy here.

http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/2017-December/051427.html

Cheers,
David.

Re: exim4 wont configure resolved

[Marc Auslander]

Problem was a complicated smarthost specification which exim4 is happy
to honor bug exim-config postinst could not grok.
error was:

+ RET=20 Unsupported command "${if" (full line was "${if
match{${lc:$header_subject:}}{MarcAtAuslanderDotNameWorkingCheck}{mail.optonline.net}\")
received from confmodule.

Issue may be use of continuation but I'm not sure about that.

Marc Auslander  writes:

>after the recent security update to exim4 im seeing:
>
>dpkg: error processing package exim4-config (--configure):
> subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 20
>
>what now?

Re: Where to find weekly livecd builds?

[Curt]

On 2018-02-12, Thomas Schmitt  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Curt wrote:
>> That's odd.
>> https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-live-builds/amd64/iso-hybrid/debia
> n-live-testing-amd64-lxde.iso
>
> It's swift (again).
>
> Clemens reported to debian-live
>   https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2018/02/msg00017.html
> and Steve McIntyre fixed the problem
>   https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2018/02/msg00019.html

Mystery solved. On to the next mystery.

> Have a nice day :)
>
> Thomas
>
>


-- 
I think it’s more like we both had this rich neighbor named Xerox and I broke
into his house to steal the TV set and found out that you had already stolen
it.”  Gates telling Jobs why Apple didn't really get ripped off by Microsoft.

Linphone dependencies

[Rob van der Putten]

Hi there


Package: linphone depends on linphone-nogtk. But I don't see why.
It contains no libs, just the binaries linphonec and linphonecsh. Which, 
as far as I can tell, are never called from linphone. In fact, I can 
move them to an other dir and still run linphone.

What did I miss?


Regards,
Rob

Re: libgparted bug.

[David Wright]

On Sun 11 Feb 2018 at 17:07:03 (-0500), Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Sunday 11 February 2018 15:31:13 Brian wrote:
> > On Sun 11 Feb 2018 at 11:08:23 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Sunday 11 February 2018 10:19:16 David Wright wrote:

> > > > […] Otherwise, look to your DE configuration. […]

> > > I will no doubt make an enemy here, but at 83, I've had the great
> > > good fortune to have outlived the only real one I ever had.
> > >
> > > I am running out of patience with your attitude David. If I want to
> > > bring […]
> >
> > > running gparted that ought to have a lock on it but doesn't, with
> > > its criminally pisspoor error reporting NOT telling you why the
> > > operation failed. Nothing could be done. It took me 3 damned days to
> > > decide to "save the details" when it failed, then wade thru a
> > > kilobyte of html in the resultant file, to discover that the
> > > partition gparted had just UNMOUNTED, was being autoMOUNTed by some
> > > other helpful utility before I could click thru the menu's and ask
> > > it to start the partition shrink I asked it to do, and all this BS
> > > is just me trying to run down and terminate those OTHER utilities
> > > long enough for me to get that job done.
> >
> > > So if you cannot contribute something helpfull David, and its
> > > extremely obvious to me that YOU do NOT understand the problem, then
> > > just quit trying to confuse the issue, and the rest of this lists
> > > readers.
> >
> > Which problem? Nobody but you has thrown 60-persistent-storage.rules
> > and usbmount into the mix and taken a side-swipe at gparted at the
> > same time. Not with any great justification, IMO.
> >
> Plenty of justification IMNSHO.  If I launch a root session of gparted, 
> giving it the device name as a command line argument, gparted should 
> claim ownership of the storage device and anything else that comes 
> snooping around should rightfully be told to go pound sand.

Another disclaimer: I don't use gparted (unless it's built into the
installer, in which case I have unwittingly used it) but fdisk and
gdisk as appropriate.

When you run those programs, they don't AFAICT claim ownership of the
device. You can happily run two instances of them without any problem,
though I haven't tested what happens with the second if you change the
partition table with the first (and the kernel rescans it).

Are you expecting a lock file to be created by fdisk and gdisk?
Even if you could "protect" the device with the partitioning
program, as soon as you exit it, there's a race condition between
your fingers/mouseclicks and the automounter, which the latter is
likely to win.

So my advice remains disable/uninstall the automounter and check
your DE options.

YAD (yet another disclaimer):
In looking through automounting issues on this list, I happened upon
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2016/11/msg00857.html
Regardless of the topic in (1), paragraphs (2) and (3) might make
a good signature for some of my posts.

> Throw in the 
> fact that unless you want to read its logs for failures, you need to do 
> it with a web browser. I don't know about you, but where I learned 
> programming, you read the logs with a text reader. And some of my 
> programs were so well checked there was nothing left to log. The need 
> for a log is to me, sloppy coding. But we no longer write our RCA-1802 
> code by looking up the memonic in the programmers manual and use that to 
> convert our source code into hex to be entered in a hex monitor.  That 
> code, and the machine I built to execute it, turned out to be so usefull 
> at KRCR-tv in Redding CA, that it was still in daily use 15 years later, 
> in the summer of 1994. That code was heavily self modifying, never 
> crashed that I know of once I said it was ready. So don't lecture me on 
> quality code.

And my anecdote (also OT):

Having done the steps in (bump, bump)
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2018/02/msg00466.html
(which might be too uncommon (mixing FAT and LUKS) or too technical
for this list), one instance of Windows10 (and only one) keeps
pestering with this drive about wanting to format F: (E: is the NTFS
filesystem). The only way to stop it is not to answer; just leave the
dialog box hidden underneath the normal windows. Dangerous, I know,
as one might accidentally click it after closing all the other windows.

But it made me think about whether you could stop the automounter by
setting a peculiar partition type on the device. Probably not; ho hum…

Cheers,
David.

Re: libgparted bug.

[deloptes]

Curt wrote:

> On 2018-02-11, Gene Heskett  wrote:
>> On Sunday 11 February 2018 18:19:00 Brian wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun 11 Feb 2018 at 17:07:03 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
>>> > On Sunday 11 February 2018 15:31:13 Brian wrote:
>>> > > linuxcnc is an Xfce based system and that DE does the
>>> > > automounting. It is not usbmount or 60-persistent-storage.rules.
>>> > > I'm fairly sure there is a way of turning it off but haven't
>>> > > examined the situation.
>>> >
>>> > And again the system doing the work is NOT the rock64, but this
>>> > machine here in the house, a 32 bit wheezy install running TDE as
>>> > the DE.
>>>
>>> TDE has support channels. People there are far more likely to be
>>> familiar with wheezy (unsupported on Debian) and their own packages
>>> (not in Debian) and any automounting issues.
>>
>> Their mailing list turned into a black hole around 9 months back.  And
>> I'm subscribed.
>>
> 
> A person on the trinity-users mailing list opined that there is a
> right-click-on-the-automounted-usb contextual menu in TDE, and deep
> within that menu somewhere is an option to turn off automounting by
> unchecking the relevant menu item.
> 
> I can't vouch for the veracity, or even the pertinence, of this info,
> but there you go.
> 
> https://www.spinics.net/lists/trinity-users/msg01436.html

no idea what it refers to. The only option I see is a checkbox for "use
default mount options". Perhaps it is related to something that I don't
have here on my PC

I use "system:/media" and then click on USB does mount and open and context
menu has unmount, open with, safe remove etc

in the properties there is the checkbox I mentioned above

regards

Re: libgparted bug.

[Brian]

On Mon 12 Feb 2018 at 08:17:23 +0100, deloptes wrote:

> Gene Heskett wrote:
> 
> >> TDE has support channels. People there are far more likely to be
> >> familiar with wheezy (unsupported on Debian) and their own packages
> >> (not in Debian) and any automounting issues.
> > 
> 
> there is no automount - Gene might remove usbmount package and see if this

Sound advice.

> helps. The package is not  required by any TDE package.

No package in Debian reverse depends on it; it would have to be
explicitly installed. Gene Heskett put it there; Gene Heskett can
take it away.

> In Stretch TDE  would sense the plugged usb and list it unmounted. User may
> click on the item and it will mount. I never experienced automount.

You can use gparted with peace of mind, then.
 
> > Their mailing list turned into a black hole around 9 months back.  And
> > I'm subscribed.
> 
> I don't know what you mean, but I read and post to both lists (user/devel)

January was a busy time on the list.

> Unfortunately I upgraded long time ago from jessie to stretch and don't know
> whats the status with wheezy.

You mean - nobody has to stick with an outdated and unsupported wheezy?

-- 
Brian.

4 printer limit to cups printers is a debian limit, why?

[Gene Heskett]

Greetings all;

I have 2 physical printers, a bottom of the line B&W laser that manages 
to do utility print jobs at 19 ppm, and a huge ink squirter with more 
bells and whistles than you can shake a stick at.

To do all of the job profiles this Brother MFC-J6920DW is capable of, 
because among the various paper sizes it can handle is borderless 
tabloid, aka 11x17. Its scanner can also handle that size when the doc 
feeder is lifted and its laid directly on the glass, but that is not 
germain to this problem.

Do adequately describe the various jobs it can do, by selecting 
the "printer" to send this job to, would need at least 8, individual 
profiles setup in the cups menu's at localhost:631/printers.

I have discussed this with Micheal Sweet, whom I've known longer than 
linux has existed, and he assures me there is no such limit in cups, 
never has been. Ever.

So where is this limit, so that I can raise it to a dozen or so, and get 
on with what I want to do?

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: libgparted bug.

[deloptes]

Brian wrote:

>> I don't know what you mean, but I read and post to both lists
>> (user/devel)
> 
> January was a busy time on the list.
> 

I didn't have that impression if you mean TDE. It is a small community (at
least the posting part of it).

>> Unfortunately I upgraded long time ago from jessie to stretch and don't
>> know whats the status with wheezy.
> 
> You mean - nobody has to stick with an outdated and unsupported wheezy?

I didn't say that, because everyone has the freedom to do what he or she
might thing is best.
I just referred to my experience, that I upgraded long time ago and can't
recall exactly how it looked like. I even think that with wheezy I still
used KDE3 and KDE3 was fully transitioned to TDE when I moved to Jessie. 

regards

Re: 4 printer limit to cups printers is a debian limit, why?

[Brian]

On Mon 12 Feb 2018 at 13:50:31 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:

> Greetings all;
> 
> I have 2 physical printers, a bottom of the line B&W laser that manages 
> to do utility print jobs at 19 ppm, and a huge ink squirter with more 
> bells and whistles than you can shake a stick at.
> 
> To do all of the job profiles this Brother MFC-J6920DW is capable of, 
> because among the various paper sizes it can handle is borderless 
> tabloid, aka 11x17. Its scanner can also handle that size when the doc 
> feeder is lifted and its laid directly on the glass, but that is not 
> germain to this problem.
> 
> Do adequately describe the various jobs it can do, by selecting 
> the "printer" to send this job to, would need at least 8, individual 
> profiles setup in the cups menu's at localhost:631/printers.
> 
> I have discussed this with Micheal Sweet, whom I've known longer than 
> linux has existed, and he assures me there is no such limit in cups, 
> never has been. Ever.
> 
> So where is this limit, so that I can raise it to a dozen or so, and get 
> on with what I want to do?

I assure you there is no limit of four print queues enforced  on Debian.
Never has been. Ever.

-- 
Brian.

Re: libgparted bug.

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 12 February 2018 02:17:23 deloptes wrote:

> Gene Heskett wrote:
> >> TDE has support channels. People there are far more likely to be
> >> familiar with wheezy (unsupported on Debian) and their own packages
> >> (not in Debian) and any automounting issues.
>
> there is no automount - Gene might remove usbmount package and see if
> this helps. The package is not  required by any TDE package.
> In Stretch TDE  would sense the plugged usb and list it unmounted.
> User may click on the item and it will mount. I never experienced
> automount.

I have restored everything that I played with in the udev dept. And 
re-enabled usbmount in its config, exactly as installed originally.

I have unmounted both visible partitions of this sd card, and they have 
not remounted in several hours, no little arrow point beside the two 
icons. But I just pulled the card reader out of the 4 port usb hub 
laying here with the keyboard and mouse dongles plugged into it. Icons 
gone in miliseconds.

Plug it back in and it only takes 4 or 5 seconds for both icons to 
re-appear, mounted at /media/usb0 and /media/usb1.
gene@coyote:~/rock64.imgs$ ls /media/usb0
dtb  extlinux  Image  initrd.img
gene@coyote:~/rock64.imgs$ ls /media/usb1
bin  boot  dev  etc  home  lib  lost+found  media  mnt  opt  proc  root  
run  sbin  srv  sys  tmp  usr  var

That 32GiB card had a new stretch-minimal-rock64-0.5.15-136-arm64.img
written to it as I was leaving for and appointment with a vampire at my 
local clinic this  morning, as my shaman wanted a fresh blood panel.

> > Their mailing list turned into a black hole around 9 months back.
> >  And I'm subscribed.
>
> I don't know what you mean, but I read and post to both lists
> (user/devel)
>
I have seen your posts there in the past. What is the valid address of 
that list today, perhaps its been moved from the original at 
pearsoncomputing and I missed the memo?

> Unfortunately I upgraded long time ago from jessie to stretch and
> don't know whats the status with wheezy.
>
I am still getting regular updates of all of it (TDE and Wheezy) via 
synaptic. This and the dell on my g0704 are the only 2 with horsepower 
enough to spare to run kde/tde. Everything else is running xfce or lxde. 
Not impressed with lxde.

> regards

Thanks Deloptes.


-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Finding older ISOs

[richey goldberg]

So I've had no luck trying to resolve my issues from this morning.
A few test include staring the install for 9.3.0 64 bit (Loads fine)
8.10.0 32bit (Loads Fine).The AMD64 version of 8.10.0 still gives
me issues.

So I thought I would just grab an older version like 8.8.0 and just
try and see what happens. After hours of searching for an 8.8.0
ISO or .jigdo I can't seem to find an actual download link.   I've
tried mirror after mirror after mirror and the files are not there.
I tried using jigdo an no matter what I try I get an error saying the
file is not found.

Is it really this difficult for someone new to Debian (but not Linux)
to find this stinking image?   It just seems like this is way more
difficult than it should be.

Re: libgparted bug.

[Brian]

On Mon 12 Feb 2018 at 20:00:42 +0100, deloptes wrote:

> Brian wrote:
> 
> >> I don't know what you mean, but I read and post to both lists
> >> (user/devel)
> > 
> > January was a busy time on the list.
> > 
> I didn't have that impression if you mean TDE. It is a small community (at
> least the posting part of it).

trinity-users had some 90 posts. Quite a respectable number. I do not
know what "black hole" means in that context.

> >> Unfortunately I upgraded long time ago from jessie to stretch and don't
> >> know whats the status with wheezy.
> > 
> > You mean - nobody has to stick with an outdated and unsupported wheezy?
> 
> I didn't say that, because everyone has the freedom to do what he or she
> might thing is best.

Indeed. Make your bed and lie in it.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Finding older ISOs

[David Christensen]

On 02/12/18 11:20, richey goldberg wrote:

So I've had no luck trying to resolve my issues from this morning.
A few test include staring the install for 9.3.0 64 bit (Loads fine)
8.10.0 32bit (Loads Fine).The AMD64 version of 8.10.0 still gives
me issues.

So I thought I would just grab an older version like 8.8.0 and just
try and see what happens. After hours of searching for an 8.8.0
ISO or .jigdo I can't seem to find an actual download link.   I've
tried mirror after mirror after mirror and the files are not there.
I tried using jigdo an no matter what I try I get an error saying the
file is not found.

Is it really this difficult for someone new to Debian (but not Linux)
to find this stinking image?   It just seems like this is way more
difficult than it should be.


https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/


David

lftp breakage upcoming

[Jude DaShiell]

If debian users can download torrents with lftp now, expect as systemd 
gets upgraded systemd will break lftp and make it no longer useable.  The 
archlinux distribution is on the bleeding edge of a rolling release and 
that's what's happened over here.  I just figured to send out a heads up 
so you'll know why lftp breaks when that day happens.




--

Re: libgparted bug.

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 12 February 2018 13:36:43 deloptes wrote:

> Curt wrote:
> > On 2018-02-11, Gene Heskett  wrote:
> >> On Sunday 11 February 2018 18:19:00 Brian wrote:
> >>> On Sun 11 Feb 2018 at 17:07:03 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >>> > On Sunday 11 February 2018 15:31:13 Brian wrote:
> >>> > > linuxcnc is an Xfce based system and that DE does the
> >>> > > automounting. It is not usbmount or
> >>> > > 60-persistent-storage.rules. I'm fairly sure there is a way of
> >>> > > turning it off but haven't examined the situation.
> >>> >
> >>> > And again the system doing the work is NOT the rock64, but this
> >>> > machine here in the house, a 32 bit wheezy install running TDE
> >>> > as the DE.
> >>>
> >>> TDE has support channels. People there are far more likely to be
> >>> familiar with wheezy (unsupported on Debian) and their own
> >>> packages (not in Debian) and any automounting issues.
> >>
> >> Their mailing list turned into a black hole around 9 months back. 
> >> And I'm subscribed.
> >
> > A person on the trinity-users mailing list opined that there is a
> > right-click-on-the-automounted-usb contextual menu in TDE, and deep
> > within that menu somewhere is an option to turn off automounting by
> > unchecking the relevant menu item.
> >
> > I can't vouch for the veracity, or even the pertinence, of this
> > info, but there you go.
> >
> > https://www.spinics.net/lists/trinity-users/msg01436.html
>
> no idea what it refers to. The only option I see is a checkbox for
> "use default mount options". Perhaps it is related to something that I
> don't have here on my PC
>
> I use "system:/media" and then click on USB does mount and open and
> context menu has unmount, open with, safe remove etc
>
> in the properties there is the checkbox I mentioned above
>
> regards

I, based on the previous post, scanned thru the trinity control center, 
and found the automount unchecked, but mount as user is checked. That 
seems like its handy, so I left it checked.

Thanks Deloptes.

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: libgparted bug.

[Brian]

On Mon 12 Feb 2018 at 14:14:56 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:

> I have restored everything that I played with in the udev dept. And 
> re-enabled usbmount in its config, exactly as installed originally.

Mmm.

> 
> I have unmounted both visible partitions of this sd card, and they have 
> not remounted in several hours, no little arrow point beside the two 
> icons. But I just pulled the card reader out of the 4 port usb hub 
> laying here with the keyboard and mouse dongles plugged into it. Icons 
> gone in miliseconds.
> 
> Plug it back in and it only takes 4 or 5 seconds for both icons to 
> re-appear, mounted at /media/usb0 and /media/usb1.
> gene@coyote:~/rock64.imgs$ ls /media/usb0
> dtb  extlinux  Image  initrd.img
> gene@coyote:~/rock64.imgs$ ls /media/usb1
> bin  boot  dev  etc  home  lib  lost+found  media  mnt  opt  proc  root  
> run  sbin  srv  sys  tmp  usr  var

Patient: Doctor, Doctor. I get the most terrible chest pains when I let
 my dog Usbmutt into the house.

Doctor: Stop doing it then.

-- 
Brian.

Re: Finding older ISOs

[David Christensen]

On 02/12/18 11:39, richey goldberg wrote:

That's what I've been using to find the files to plug into jigdo-lite
and I get the file not found errors.Is it impossible to find .ISO
files for anything that's not the most current version?   Is jigdo my
only option to find these files?

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 2:33 PM, David Christensen
 wrote:

On 02/12/18 11:20, richey goldberg wrote:


So I've had no luck trying to resolve my issues from this morning.
A few test include staring the install for 9.3.0 64 bit (Loads fine)
8.10.0 32bit (Loads Fine).The AMD64 version of 8.10.0 still gives
me issues.

So I thought I would just grab an older version like 8.8.0 and just
try and see what happens. After hours of searching for an 8.8.0
ISO or .jigdo I can't seem to find an actual download link.   I've
tried mirror after mirror after mirror and the files are not there.
I tried using jigdo an no matter what I try I get an error saying the
file is not found.

Is it really this difficult for someone new to Debian (but not Linux)
to find this stinking image?   It just seems like this is way more
difficult than it should be.



https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/


Please "Reply to List".


Please do not top post.


I am unsure of what platform you are using or why you are looking for 
older Debian installer ISO images, but that link is what I use if/when I 
want older images.  I drilled down the 8.8 tree and saw the Jigdo files. 
 So, yes, you will need to use Jigdo to obtain an ISO.  If Jigdo is the 
problem, please post your exact console prompt, commands, and output to 
this list so that people can help trouble-shoot.



If you want to run Debian, your best bet is to use the most recent 
release of "Stable", which is currently "stretch" / Debian 9.  For a 
recent Intel/Windows PC and depending upon what applications you plan to 
run, either or both of the i386 or amd64 choices could work.  As I 
understand it, unlike Windows, Debian i386 can access more than 4 GB of 
RAM.  So, choosing amd64 will be because some software you plan to use 
requires amd64.  Remove all disks from your computer except for optical 
and whatever HDD/SSD you want Debian to use.  Do the simplest install 
possible; let the Debian Installer wipe and use the entire HDD/SSD. 
Please refer to the Installation Guide for general information:


https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual


While installing Debian, It is wise to use a second computer (or a paper 
notepad) to create a log of your console session, what screens were 
displayed, what choices you selected, etc..  This information will be 
useful later, including posting here if you get stuck.



David

Re: libgparted bug.

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 12 February 2018 13:44:04 Brian wrote:

> On Mon 12 Feb 2018 at 08:17:23 +0100, deloptes wrote:
> > Gene Heskett wrote:
> > >> TDE has support channels. People there are far more likely to be
> > >> familiar with wheezy (unsupported on Debian) and their own
> > >> packages (not in Debian) and any automounting issues.
> >
> > there is no automount - Gene might remove usbmount package and see
> > if this
>
> Sound advice.
>
> > helps. The package is not  required by any TDE package.
>
> No package in Debian reverse depends on it; it would have to be
> explicitly installed. Gene Heskett put it there; Gene Heskett can
> take it away.
>
And that prompted me to go take a look in /var/cache/apt/archives, and 
its there, showing as version 0.0.22_all.deb, dated 8 August 2011, which 
would have to about the time this install was done, from a customized 
version of wheezy compiled by the linuxcnc guys as an installer .iso.

I still have the last 2 such LCNC installer iso's, but its not listed in 
the TOC of either iso. I think that means I did install it, but there 
been a few trillion gallons of water down the West Fork River since and 
I've no recollection at this late date.  Its disabled by an option it 
its config. so I'll do it.  And see what problem I was trying to fix 
comes back. :)

> > In Stretch TDE  would sense the plugged usb and list it unmounted.
> > User may click on the item and it will mount. I never experienced
> > automount.
>
> You can use gparted with peace of mind, then.
>
> > > Their mailing list turned into a black hole around 9 months back.
> > >  And I'm subscribed.
> >
> > I don't know what you mean, but I read and post to both lists
> > (user/devel)
>
> January was a busy time on the list.
>
> > Unfortunately I upgraded long time ago from jessie to stretch and
> > don't know whats the status with wheezy.
>
> You mean - nobody has to stick with an outdated and unsupported
> wheezy?



-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: lftp breakage upcoming

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Mon, 12 Feb 2018, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> If debian users can download torrents with lftp now, expect as systemd gets
> upgraded systemd will break lftp and make it no longer useable.  The
> archlinux distribution is on the bleeding edge of a rolling release and
> that's what's happened over here.  I just figured to send out a heads up so
> you'll know why lftp breaks when that day happens.

Any pointers to bug reports or more *detailed* information so that we
might preemptively do something?

-- 
  Henrique Holschuh

Re: lftp breakage upcoming

[Brian]

On Mon 12 Feb 2018 at 14:56:35 -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote:

> If debian users can download torrents with lftp now, expect as systemd gets
> upgraded systemd will break lftp and make it no longer useable.  The
> archlinux distribution is on the bleeding edge of a rolling release and
> that's what's happened over here.  I just figured to send out a heads up so
> you'll know why lftp breaks when that day happens.

That day might never come. Fancy giving a link for the source of your
information?

-- 
Brian

Re: lftp breakage upcoming

[Sven Hartge]

Brian  wrote:
> On Mon 12 Feb 2018 at 14:56:35 -0500, Jude DaShiell wrote:

>> If debian users can download torrents with lftp now, expect as
>> systemd gets upgraded systemd will break lftp and make it no longer
>> useable.  The archlinux distribution is on the bleeding edge of a
>> rolling release and that's what's happened over here.  I just figured
>> to send out a heads up so you'll know why lftp breaks when that day
>> happens.

> That day might never come. Fancy giving a link for the source of your
> information?

https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/57409
https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/57388

https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/8075
(already fixed via https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/8080)

Grüße,
Sven.

-- 
Sigmentation fault. Core dumped.

Re: libgparted bug.

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 12 February 2018 14:00:42 deloptes wrote:

> Brian wrote:
> >> I don't know what you mean, but I read and post to both lists
> >> (user/devel)
> >
> > January was a busy time on the list.
>
> I didn't have that impression if you mean TDE. It is a small community
> (at least the posting part of it).
>
> >> Unfortunately I upgraded long time ago from jessie to stretch and
> >> don't know whats the status with wheezy.
> >
> > You mean - nobody has to stick with an outdated and unsupported
> > wheezy?
>
> I didn't say that, because everyone has the freedom to do what he or
> she might thing is best.
> I just referred to my experience, that I upgraded long time ago and
> can't recall exactly how it looked like. I even think that with wheezy
> I still used KDE3 and KDE3 was fully transitioned to TDE when I moved
> to Jessie.
>
And grown very very stable, into the Just Works(TM) category.  And one 
thing I have noted, every update in recent history has resulted in 
smaller files on disk, sometimes quite a few megabytes at a time as the 
two programmers at the head of the table clean up kde's loose ends that 
existed at the time of the fork, circa kde-3.5.

usbmount has been disabled.  That would I think, have fixed the original 
problem that started all this hoohaw.

My apologies to the list in that case.

> regards



-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: Finding older ISOs

[Thomas Schmitt]

Hi,

David Christensen quoted that
richey goldberg wrote:
> > That's what I've been using to find the files to plug into jigdo-lite
> > and I get the file not found errors.

"File not found" messages from the user chosen mirror server during
the first pass of jigdo-lite are normal, if the ISO is old. But the
fallback mirror which is given by the .jigdo file should have the
missing ones. In case of debian-8.8.0-amd64-DVD-1.jigdo there are two:
  Debian=http://snapshot.debian.org/archive/debian/20170506T141043Z/
  Debian=http://us.cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/snapshot/Debian/

What do you get as final message of the jigdo-lite run ?

Does the resulting .iso file have the checksum as listed in the
SHA512SUMS form the directory where you found the .jidgo file ?


Have a nice day :)

Thomas

Re: 4 printer limit to cups printers is a debian limit, why?

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 12 February 2018 14:09:49 Brian wrote:

> On Mon 12 Feb 2018 at 13:50:31 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > I have 2 physical printers, a bottom of the line B&W laser that
> > manages to do utility print jobs at 19 ppm, and a huge ink squirter
> > with more bells and whistles than you can shake a stick at.
> >
> > To do all of the job profiles this Brother MFC-J6920DW is capable
> > of, because among the various paper sizes it can handle is
> > borderless tabloid, aka 11x17. Its scanner can also handle that size
> > when the doc feeder is lifted and its laid directly on the glass,
> > but that is not germain to this problem.
> >
> > Do adequately describe the various jobs it can do, by selecting
> > the "printer" to send this job to, would need at least 8, individual
> > profiles setup in the cups menu's at localhost:631/printers.
> >
> > I have discussed this with Micheal Sweet, whom I've known longer
> > than linux has existed, and he assures me there is no such limit in
> > cups, never has been. Ever.
> >
> > So where is this limit, so that I can raise it to a dozen or so, and
> > get on with what I want to do?
>
> I assure you there is no limit of four print queues enforced  on
> Debian. Never has been. Ever.

There is one someplace. I just read thru everything in /etc/cups* without 
finding a hint.  Then I read thru all the brother install scripts, again 
coming up blank. That was a 3 hour slog right there.

I wonder if I can change its name, like from MFC-J69220DW to MFC-J6920DX  
(or Z)but forcibly use the same driver? Got to be some way to get around 
this. Time for a better mousetrap perhaps?

-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: libgparted bug.

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 12 February 2018 15:16:47 Brian wrote:

> On Mon 12 Feb 2018 at 14:14:56 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > I have restored everything that I played with in the udev dept. And
> > re-enabled usbmount in its config, exactly as installed originally.
>
> Mmm.
>
> > I have unmounted both visible partitions of this sd card, and they
> > have not remounted in several hours, no little arrow point beside
> > the two icons. But I just pulled the card reader out of the 4 port
> > usb hub laying here with the keyboard and mouse dongles plugged into
> > it. Icons gone in miliseconds.
> >
> > Plug it back in and it only takes 4 or 5 seconds for both icons to
> > re-appear, mounted at /media/usb0 and /media/usb1.
> > gene@coyote:~/rock64.imgs$ ls /media/usb0
> > dtb  extlinux  Image  initrd.img
> > gene@coyote:~/rock64.imgs$ ls /media/usb1
> > bin  boot  dev  etc  home  lib  lost+found  media  mnt  opt  proc 
> > root run  sbin  srv  sys  tmp  usr  var
>
> Patient: Doctor, Doctor. I get the most terrible chest pains when I
> let my dog Usbmutt into the house.
>
> Doctor: Stop doing it then.
You forgot the smiley Brian.
;-)
We will see how doing without it works, its disabled again.


-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: libgparted bug.

[deloptes]

Gene Heskett wrote:

> usbmount has been disabled.  That would I think, have fixed the original
> problem that started all this hoohaw.
> 
> My apologies to the list in that case.

With full respect, Gene, we are glad it worked for you once again!

regards

Re: libgparted bug.

[deloptes]

Gene Heskett wrote:

> I, based on the previous post, scanned thru the trinity control center,
> and found the automount unchecked, but mount as user is checked. That
> seems like its handy, so I left it checked.

Yes, indeed, I found it too

automount is unchecked
mount as user is checked

+ learned something

regards

Re: libgparted bug.

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 12 February 2018 16:29:43 deloptes wrote:

> Gene Heskett wrote:
> > usbmount has been disabled.  That would I think, have fixed the
> > original problem that started all this hoohaw.
> >
> > My apologies to the list in that case.
>
> With full respect, Gene, we are glad it worked for you once again!
>
> regards

And regards back at you Deloptes, your advice is about 99% spot on when 
the question is properly posed.


-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: 4 printer limit to cups printers is a debian limit, why?

[Brian]

On Mon 12 Feb 2018 at 15:52:15 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Monday 12 February 2018 14:09:49 Brian wrote:
> 
> > On Mon 12 Feb 2018 at 13:50:31 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > Greetings all;
> > >
> > > I have 2 physical printers, a bottom of the line B&W laser that
> > > manages to do utility print jobs at 19 ppm, and a huge ink squirter
> > > with more bells and whistles than you can shake a stick at.
> > >
> > > To do all of the job profiles this Brother MFC-J6920DW is capable
> > > of, because among the various paper sizes it can handle is
> > > borderless tabloid, aka 11x17. Its scanner can also handle that size
> > > when the doc feeder is lifted and its laid directly on the glass,
> > > but that is not germain to this problem.
> > >
> > > Do adequately describe the various jobs it can do, by selecting
> > > the "printer" to send this job to, would need at least 8, individual
> > > profiles setup in the cups menu's at localhost:631/printers.
> > >
> > > I have discussed this with Micheal Sweet, whom I've known longer
> > > than linux has existed, and he assures me there is no such limit in
> > > cups, never has been. Ever.
> > >
> > > So where is this limit, so that I can raise it to a dozen or so, and
> > > get on with what I want to do?
> >
> > I assure you there is no limit of four print queues enforced  on
> > Debian. Never has been. Ever.
> 
> There is one someplace. I just read thru everything in /etc/cups* without 
> finding a hint.  Then I read thru all the brother install scripts, again 
> coming up blank. That was a 3 hour slog right there.

Let's be very clear about this: there is no "someplace". As delivered
to you, the Debian printing system allows a user to set up as many print
queues as he wants. There is no deviation from upstream in any of the
packages in this regard.

> I wonder if I can change its name, like from MFC-J69220DW to MFC-J6920DX  
> (or Z)but forcibly use the same driver? Got to be some way to get around 
> this. Time for a better mousetrap perhaps?

Different queues have different names. It is not possible to have more
than one queue with the same name. Different queues can have a device
URI and PPD in common, however.

-- 
Brian.

Re: libgparted bug.

[David Wright]

On Mon 12 Feb 2018 at 15:32:50 (-0500), Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 12 February 2018 13:44:04 Brian wrote:
> 
> > On Mon 12 Feb 2018 at 08:17:23 +0100, deloptes wrote:
> > > Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > >> TDE has support channels. People there are far more likely to be
> > > >> familiar with wheezy (unsupported on Debian) and their own
> > > >> packages (not in Debian) and any automounting issues.
> > >
> > > there is no automount - Gene might remove usbmount package and see
> > > if this
> >
> > Sound advice.
> >
> > > helps. The package is not  required by any TDE package.
> >
> > No package in Debian reverse depends on it; it would have to be
> > explicitly installed. Gene Heskett put it there; Gene Heskett can
> > take it away.
> >
> And that prompted me to go take a look in /var/cache/apt/archives, and 
> its there, showing as version 0.0.22_all.deb, dated 8 August 2011, which 
> would have to about the time this install was done, from a customized 
> version of wheezy compiled by the linuxcnc guys as an installer .iso.

I'm so glad you've resolved your problems, and am sorry that my
suggestions regarding usbmount and the DE weren't of any help
with your version of linux.

Do note that the timestamps on the packages in /var/cache/apt/archives
are when they were made, not when they were downloaded and installed,
in case you should ever find yourself needing to rely on them.
Unfortunately the history logs in /var/log/apt/ only span a year
unless log rotation has been stopped or reconfigured by the LCNC team.

Cheers,
David.

Sundry disclaimers…

Re: 4 printer limit to cups printers is a debian limit, why?

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 12 February 2018 17:25:01 Brian wrote:

> On Mon 12 Feb 2018 at 15:52:15 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Monday 12 February 2018 14:09:49 Brian wrote:
> > > On Mon 12 Feb 2018 at 13:50:31 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > Greetings all;
> > > >
> > > > I have 2 physical printers, a bottom of the line B&W laser that
> > > > manages to do utility print jobs at 19 ppm, and a huge ink
> > > > squirter with more bells and whistles than you can shake a stick
> > > > at.
> > > >
> > > > To do all of the job profiles this Brother MFC-J6920DW is
> > > > capable of, because among the various paper sizes it can handle
> > > > is borderless tabloid, aka 11x17. Its scanner can also handle
> > > > that size when the doc feeder is lifted and its laid directly on
> > > > the glass, but that is not germain to this problem.
> > > >
> > > > Do adequately describe the various jobs it can do, by selecting
> > > > the "printer" to send this job to, would need at least 8,
> > > > individual profiles setup in the cups menu's at
> > > > localhost:631/printers.
> > > >
> > > > I have discussed this with Micheal Sweet, whom I've known longer
> > > > than linux has existed, and he assures me there is no such limit
> > > > in cups, never has been. Ever.
> > > >
> > > > So where is this limit, so that I can raise it to a dozen or so,
> > > > and get on with what I want to do?
> > >
> > > I assure you there is no limit of four print queues enforced  on
> > > Debian. Never has been. Ever.
> >
> > There is one someplace. I just read thru everything in /etc/cups*
> > without finding a hint.  Then I read thru all the brother install
> > scripts, again coming up blank. That was a 3 hour slog right there.
>
> Let's be very clear about this: there is no "someplace". As delivered
> to you, the Debian printing system allows a user to set up as many
> print queues as he wants. There is no deviation from upstream in any
> of the packages in this regard.
>
> > I wonder if I can change its name, like from MFC-J69220DW to
> > MFC-J6920DX (or Z)but forcibly use the same driver? Got to be some
> > way to get around this. Time for a better mousetrap perhaps?
>
> Different queues have different names. It is not possible to have more
> than one queue with the same name. Different queues can have a device
> URI and PPD in common, however.

So, the next time I need to setup a photo profile, using the glossy paper 
in the top tray, I should change the name, not just the description, yet 
use the same ppd, and change its defaults to whatever it needs to do 
decent photo reproductions. I had it setup to do a faint, washed out 
photo, but lost that when I tried to add the tabloid format this morning 
because I've been considering doing a rockhopper diagram of all my 
machines as what I did a year ago is now so obsolete as to be worthless 
should I need to run down a configuration bug.  Unfortunately, the 
rockhopper output is in vector gfx, and to magnify it to usable by 
magnifying it to where the individual block of hal logic is big enough 
to read its label, the whole thing is going to be 8 to 12 tabloid sheets 
pasted up into a wall sized image.  Sure, it can be looked at by 
firefox, but firefoxes magnification limit by pressing ctrl+ is about 
100x too small. We can do it in inkscape but it spends 99% of its time 
in swap, so the scanning speed is like watching grass grow.

You would be amazed at how a 700 loc hal file is displayed. Rockhopper 
analyses a running instance, so paths that are gingerbread, skipped, 
don't even show up. So unless you've got a reason for that code, it can 
be hunted down and elided. It can indirectly indicate out of sequence 
stuff that can be doing odd stuff to the latency of active data too. In 
fact there have been times when I have actively made use of that effect 
for a noise averaging filter. Rockhopper doesn't actually put a WTF 
label on such construct but will show it clear enough to surprise the 
reader.  Its an excellent troubleshooting tool.

Whats needed for its output on paper, is a tabloid sized binder that is 
affordable. That does not exist at our local Staples for any price. 
Trying to fold it up with all the scotch tape pasting it together is, 
shall we say "frustrating", and where do you store a 4x8 foot sheet of 
1/8th panel its taped to in a crowded 14x24 garage setting? I'm still 
looking for an answer to that question. Something I did not consider in 
2008 when I built that garage with 4 or 5 hours worth of help from the 
next door neighbor laying shingles. I returned the favor the next year 
when he did one of his own.

Got it, but try it with an existing profile first. Get the "competition" 
out of the picture IOW.

Thanks. When I do it, I'll advise how it worked.
-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page 

Re: libgparted bug.

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 12 February 2018 17:29:58 David Wright wrote:

> On Mon 12 Feb 2018 at 15:32:50 (-0500), Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Monday 12 February 2018 13:44:04 Brian wrote:
> > > On Mon 12 Feb 2018 at 08:17:23 +0100, deloptes wrote:
> > > > Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > >> TDE has support channels. People there are far more likely to
> > > > >> be familiar with wheezy (unsupported on Debian) and their own
> > > > >> packages (not in Debian) and any automounting issues.
> > > >
> > > > there is no automount - Gene might remove usbmount package and
> > > > see if this
> > >
> > > Sound advice.
> > >
> > > > helps. The package is not  required by any TDE package.
> > >
> > > No package in Debian reverse depends on it; it would have to be
> > > explicitly installed. Gene Heskett put it there; Gene Heskett can
> > > take it away.
> >
> > And that prompted me to go take a look in /var/cache/apt/archives,
> > and its there, showing as version 0.0.22_all.deb, dated 8 August
> > 2011, which would have to about the time this install was done, from
> > a customized version of wheezy compiled by the linuxcnc guys as an
> > installer .iso.
>
> I'm so glad you've resolved your problems, and am sorry that my
> suggestions regarding usbmount and the DE weren't of any help
> with your version of linux.
>
> Do note that the timestamps on the packages in /var/cache/apt/archives
> are when they were made, not when they were downloaded and installed,
> in case you should ever find yourself needing to rely on them.
> Unfortunately the history logs in /var/log/apt/ only span a year
> unless log rotation has been stopped or reconfigured by the LCNC team.

Or me.  ;-) I have moved some of the logs the system keeps of stuff that 
runs as me to /home/gene/logs, which avoids all the permission bull crap 
when I want to tail a log to see how things are working, then I trained 
logrotate to handle them there. Lots less trouble over the long haul.

> Cheers,
> David.
>
> Sundry disclaimers…



-- 
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
 soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
Genes Web page