Re: NetworkManager & tun/br enigma

[Johannes Graumann]

Johannes Graumann wrote:

> Johannes Graumann wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I'm trying to get a NetworkManager-independent bridg up and running to be
>> able to have my firewall manage traffic to/from lxc containers.
>> 
>> My '/etc/network/interfaces' looks like this:
>>> auto lo
>>> iface lo inet loopback
>>>  
>>> # tun/tap/bridge combo for lxc container networking
>>> auto tun0
>>> iface tun0 inet manual
>>>   tunctl_user   root
>>>   upip link set tun0 up
>>>   down  ip link set tun0 down
>>> auto br0
>>> iface br0 inet static
>>>   bridge_ports  tun0
>>>   bridge_maxwait0
>>>   bridge_stpoff
>>>   address   172.16.0.1
>>>   netmask   255.255.255.0
>>>   dns-searchvirt.local
>> 
>> No matter what I do to the
>>> [ifupdown]
>>> managed=true/false
>> parameter in '/etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf', 'ifconfig'
>> doesn't show me the tun0/br0 interfaces.
>> 
>> When I manually call 'service networking re/start', the process gets
>> stuck unresponsively. 'CTRL-C'ing out 'ifconfig' now shows the tun/br
>> interfaces. 'tail /var/log/messages' reports:
>>> IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): tun0: link is not ready
>> 
>> Any hints on what may be wrong and how to proceed?
>> 
>> Sincerely, Joh
> 
> Turns out this was a (shot?) systemd issue. After reinstalling it my setup
> works as expected: eth/wlan managed by NM (as nos present in
> /etc/network/interfaces), tun/br come up and are not NM managed.
> 
> Joh

Turns out I was wrong with my first explanation above - what really is/was 
amiss is the fact that installation of NetworkManager seems to imply 
'update-rc.d networking disable' - the inverse fixed my situation. Sorry for 
the noise.

Joh


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Re: who to report a kernel bug to in Jessie

[Reco]

 Hi.

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 08:57:20PM -0400, James wrote:
> 
> 
> On 03/29/2015 06:54 AM, Brian wrote:
> >On Sat 28 Mar 2015 at 16:43:31 -0400, James wrote:
> >
> >>On 03/28/2015 03:36 PM, Brian wrote:
> >>>On Sat 28 Mar 2015 at 14:41:42 -0400, James wrote:
> >>>
> My computer crashes and the text on the screen says it's a kernel bug.
> The first pid is comm, upowerd.
> >>>If we knew *exactly* what the screen told you and in what circumstances
> >>>the crash occurs and how repeatable it is we might be able to help you.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>I took a picture of the screen.
> >>http://lockie.ca/~rjl/20150328_142159_small.jpg
> >>I think the other times it crashed had the same info on the screen.
> >>I am using lxde now and it hasn't crashed yet.
> >>Before I had icewm.
> >A search with "kernel bug at /build/" reveals a number of reports
> >similar to
> >
> >https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=756714
> >
> >Maybe.
> I don't use xen so I don't know.
> How often does Debian Jessie build new kernels?
> kernel.org seems way ahead.

This small link will tell you this:

https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/linux

Reco


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sshfs: problem with rsync

[Pierre Frenkiel]

hi,
I'm using sshfs to copy some files from my PC to Android devices.
With the cp  command, no problem, but trying with "rsync -av"
gives the error:

   rsync: rename "/gs2/mnt/sdcard/.file.txt.xK3ZiH" -> "file.txt": Operation 
not permitted (1)

I first thought that the cause of the error was that the filesystem used
by default by sshfs is ntfs. I then added the option -o subtype=ext4 
Now, the mounted file system is actually ext4, but I still have the same error.

Is there a workaround ?

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Re: GRUB loading.. Welcome to GRUB! error: incompatible license Entering rescue mode..

[Darac Marjal]

On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 02:44:03PM -0700, David Christensen wrote:
> debian:
> 
> I did a fresh install of Debian using debian-7.6.0-i386-netinst.iso today.
> When I rebooted, I saw:
> 
> GRUB loading..
> Welcome to GRUB!
> 
> error: incompatible license
> Entering rescue mode..
> grub rescue>
> 
> I figured that there was something incompatible between the older ISO and
> current files.
> 
> 
> So, I downloaded debian-7.8.0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso and installed that.  When I
> rebooted, I saw:
> 
> GRUB loading..
> Welcome to GRUB!
> 
> error: incompatible license
> Entering rescue mode..
> grub rescue>
> 
> 
> Any suggestions?

I couldn't find anything immediately helpful on the web so I downloaded
the source code for grub. Fortunately, there's only one instance of the
phrase "incompatible license" in there and it's in a small function
called "grub_dl_check_license". The purpose of this function is to
confirm that a module being loaded has a license of "GPLv3", "GPLv3+" or
"GPLv2+". If not, then it returns the above error. I'm not intimately
familiar with the GPL, but as GRUB is one of GNU's higher-visibility
projects, I imagine this is seen as a perfectly cromulent thing to do.

I would suggest raising a bug against grub with the output from
bootinfoscript[1] attached. This is the sort of thing that testing
should have picked up, but it's possible you're pulling in a module that
most people don't use and which has no license or something.

Another avenue of investigation might be to run something like:

  for module in /boot/grub/i386-pc/*.mod; do
echo -n "$module: "
strings $module | grep LICENS
  done

and look for anything unusual.

[1]: http://bootinfoscript.sourceforge.net/

> 
> 
> TIA,
> 
> David
> 
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Re: sshfs: problem with rsync

[Kushal Kumaran]

Pierre Frenkiel  writes:

> hi,
> I'm using sshfs to copy some files from my PC to Android devices.
> With the cp  command, no problem, but trying with "rsync -av"
> gives the error:
>
>rsync: rename "/gs2/mnt/sdcard/.file.txt.xK3ZiH" -> "file.txt": Operation 
> not permitted (1)
>
> I first thought that the cause of the error was that the filesystem used
> by default by sshfs is ntfs. I then added the option -o subtype=ext4
> Now, the mounted file system is actually ext4, but I still have the
> same error.
> Is there a workaround ?
>

Is file.txt an existing file you're trying to replace with rsync?  Try
sshfs with -o workaround=rename.

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Re: GRUB loading.. Welcome to GRUB! error: incompatible license Entering rescue mode..

[Brian]

On Mon 30 Mar 2015 at 09:55:49 +0100, Darac Marjal wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 02:44:03PM -0700, David Christensen wrote:
> > debian:
> > 
> > I did a fresh install of Debian using debian-7.6.0-i386-netinst.iso today.
> > When I rebooted, I saw:
> > 
> > GRUB loading..
> > Welcome to GRUB!
> > 
> > error: incompatible license
> > Entering rescue mode..
> > grub rescue>
> > 
> > I figured that there was something incompatible between the older ISO and
> > current files.
> > 
> > 
> > So, I downloaded debian-7.8.0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso and installed that.  When I
> > rebooted, I saw:
> > 
> > GRUB loading..
> > Welcome to GRUB!
> > 
> > error: incompatible license
> > Entering rescue mode..
> > grub rescue>
> > 
> > 
> > Any suggestions?
> 
> I couldn't find anything immediately helpful on the web so I downloaded
> the source code for grub. Fortunately, there's only one instance of the
> phrase "incompatible license" in there and it's in a small function
> called "grub_dl_check_license". The purpose of this function is to
> confirm that a module being loaded has a license of "GPLv3", "GPLv3+" or
> "GPLv2+". If not, then it returns the above error. I'm not intimately
> familiar with the GPL, but as GRUB is one of GNU's higher-visibility
> projects, I imagine this is seen as a perfectly cromulent thing to do.
> 
> I would suggest raising a bug against grub with the output from
> bootinfoscript[1] attached. This is the sort of thing that testing
> should have picked up, but it's possible you're pulling in a module that
> most people don't use and which has no license or something.

Bug #650435.

 https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=650435

  GRUB doesn't have a stable binary ABI. So modules from one version
  can't be used with another one and not having consistent setup is a
  bug (usually wrong grub-install invocation) or user misintervention.
  If it wasn't for this message the loading would have failed for
  another reason (probably symbol problem). You need to use consistent
  setup. You can't take a new head and put it on old body, they are
  not compatible.

Which was the reason for the comment I made earlier.


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Re: After upgrade to jessie usb keyboard multimedia keys stopped working

[Petter Adsen]

On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 19:38:14 +0200
deloptes  wrote:

> Petter Adsen wrote:
> 
> > xev -event keyboard
> 
> No they do not - any idea what direction I should dig.

Do you use a DE or a WM? Which one?

> I see this in the Xorg.0.log
> 
> [143241.089] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"

That's OK.

> [143241.089] (**) Option "xkb_model" "a4techKB21"

Is that what you actually have, ie is that the actual model of
keyboard that you use? If not, I would set it to "pc104" for a US
keyboard, or "pc105" for an international keyboard. Those are the
"Generic 104-key PC" and "Generic 105-key (Intl) PC", respectively. I
am not sure if that will help, since the multimedia keys don't register
with xev, but it might be worth a shot. Just a guess on my part, though.

Take a look at "man setxkbmap" for the gritty details.

> [143241.089] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "us,de,bg"
> [143241.089] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin,grp_led:scroll"

I assume these are what you have chosen, and they should have no effect
on which keys register.

> so where is this model coming from? and is this the correct one? But
> how was it working in wheezy - did it change in the background?

Well, *something* must have changed, since it's not working :) Did you
do an in-place upgrade, or did you reinstall?

I'm sorry I can't help more, but I don't have a deep understanding of
how X handles keyboard input.

Good luck, though.

Petter

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Re: Need help with CUPS printing

[Brian]

On Sun 29 Mar 2015 at 18:48:07 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Sunday 29 March 2015 12:58:11 Brian wrote:
> >
> > These directives should be in /etc/cups/cups-files.
> 
> I was just making sure I could kill a job gone wild without having to 
> become root on a rootless system to do it. My color laser would have 
> wasted 40 sheets of paper while I was gaining access rights.

Membership of the lpadmin group is sufficient to give administration
rights to a user. Having him in the root group is very questionable.
There is also the 'cancel' button on the printer.

> > root doesn't need to be in SystemGroup. There might be a good reason
> > for the presence of group gene but I cannot think of one.
> 
> Root was inherited from a previous config, and gene is the operative that 
> lets me do admin stuff.  It is my machine. :) Thats also why I appended 
> the network/security part of my msg.  Its terrible practice if the 
> machine is connected directly to the modem.

The inheritance would have been from a change made to the default
cupsd.conf. It is your machine; one hopes nobody follows in the
footsteps of its administrator.

> > The default for Group and User on Debian is lp. gene and sys seem to
> > be superfluous.
> 
> Probably.

Definitely.

> > This is almost the standard Wheezy,
> 
> Correct, the install here is not exactly wheezy, but is based on it.
> >
> > It will not suffice on Jessie. The 
> > BrowseOrder, BrowseAllow, BrowseAddress and BrowseRemoteProtocols
> > directives are no longer part of cups. cups also know nothing about
> > 'CUPS'.
> 
> Gah, Mike's been playing again, or someone at debian.  What was wrong 
> with the way it did work?

A rhetorical question? Upstream has explained why a number of times.

> As for Mike, I've known him since he was DodgeColt on Delphi.
> 
> > dnssd and ethernet ports are unrelated.
> 
> The dnssd showed up sometime after I'd set the printer up at a local 
> ethernet address, I didn't make a conscious effort to add it.  Bad 
> assumption on my part?

dnssd is Bonjour (Avahi on Linux).


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My first brush with systemd

[Lisi Reisz]

The situation:
I need to reinstall tdm-trinity.  It's a long saga.  I am getting the 
following.  The left hand edge is missing (on the display so on my copy) and 
I can't see the text very well, so I may have miscopied.  But here it is, for 
what it is worth:
-
# aptitude reinstall tdm-trinity

up tdm-trinity 94:14.0.1~pre21-0debian8.0.0.2~a)...
top-daemon:pid value must be a number greater than 0
start-stop-daemon --help for more information


I then tried 
# dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity

I got the following error message, left hand edge missing again:
--

064319]systemd-default-display-manager-generator[1316]:/lib/systemd/system/tdm.service
 
is not a systemd unit. we disable the systemd enabled display manager
top-daemon:pid value must be a number greater than 0
start-stop-daemon --help for more information
---

Any useful suggestions for what I could try?  In my book, chuck systemd would 
not count as useful.  Though it has crossed my mind. :-(

Thanks.

Lisi


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Re: My first brush with systemd

[Lisi Reisz]

On Monday 30 March 2015 11:25:57 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> The situation:
> I need to reinstall tdm-trinity.  It's a long saga.  I am getting the
> following.  The left hand edge is missing (on the display so on my copy)
> and I can't see the text very well, so I may have miscopied.  But here it
> is, for what it is worth:
> ---
>-- # aptitude reinstall tdm-trinity
>
> up tdm-trinity 94:14.0.1~pre21-0debian8.0.0.2~a)...
> top-daemon:pid value must be a number greater than 0
> start-stop-daemon --help for more information
>
> 
> I then tried
> # dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity
>
> I got the following error message, left hand edge missing again:
> --
>
> 064319]systemd-default-display-manager-generator[1316]:/lib/systemd/system/
>tdm.service is not a systemd unit. we disable the systemd enabled display
> manager top-daemon:pid value must be a number greater than 0
> start-stop-daemon --help for more information
> ---
>
> Any useful suggestions for what I could try?  In my book, chuck systemd
> would not count as useful.  Though it has crossed my mind. :-(

Yes, I did try , but I couldn't read the output.

Lisi


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Re: Redirect HTTPS with Squid3+Squidguard

[Chris Bannister]

[Please don't top post. Please trim unnecessary content.]

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 02:29:08PM +0100, Peter Viskup wrote:
> It's the way you look at.
> For me it's about prevention...your child can click on some link somewhere
> and see some pictures/videos which will remain in his/her mind (let's say)
> forever and can harm even if it was only seconds they were seen...I am
> speaking about children less than 15 years old...and even older children
> needs protection.

I know what you mean. There are some horrendous religious sites out
there which contain all sorts of rubbish. The best thing is to educate
your children instead of trying to shelter them from those sites.

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Re: Need help with CUPS printing

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 30 March 2015 05:59:40 Brian wrote:
> On Sun 29 Mar 2015 at 18:48:07 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Sunday 29 March 2015 12:58:11 Brian wrote:
> > > These directives should be in /etc/cups/cups-files.
> >
> > I was just making sure I could kill a job gone wild without having
> > to become root on a rootless system to do it. My color laser would
> > have wasted 40 sheets of paper while I was gaining access rights.
>
> Membership of the lpadmin group is sufficient to give administration
> rights to a user. Having him in the root group is very questionable.
> There is also the 'cancel' button on the printer.

Here, its X-Cancel.

And, tell that to cups, or if installed, on BEH, which sees it as a 
failure & restarts the job, wasting another 40 sheets of paper & toner 
by the time you get it stopped by nuking the cups stuff in /var/cups 
or /var/tmp, or maybe /tmp, depending on the mood the installer was in 
for that version at the time.  You have to go find it, then get rights 
enough to nuke it.  Thats at least 2 minutes, while a 19 ppm printer is 
churning out paper.

> > > root doesn't need to be in SystemGroup. There might be a good
> > > reason for the presence of group gene but I cannot think of one.
> >
> > Root was inherited from a previous config, and gene is the operative
> > that lets me do admin stuff.  It is my machine. :) Thats also why I
> > appended the network/security part of my msg.  Its terrible practice
> > if the machine is connected directly to the modem.
>
> The inheritance would have been from a change made to the default
> cupsd.conf. It is your machine; one hopes nobody follows in the
> footsteps of its administrator.

It is also a single (ancient human) user machine.  The wife 
isn't "computer literate".  The only machine she was ever forced to use 
at school when she was teaching elementary music 20 years ago was a twin 
floppy equipt dosbox, running MSDOS3.1, if they could find a boot 
floppy.

> > > The default for Group and User on Debian is lp. gene and sys seem
> > > to be superfluous.
> >
> > Probably.
>
> Definitely.

Excised. From cupsd.conf and from /etc/group.  It remains to be seen if I 
have enough rights as a member of lpadmin only to control cups.

However, I cannot recall if changes to group are instant or need a reboot 
to fully effect them.

> > > This is almost the standard Wheezy,
> >
> > Correct, the install here is not exactly wheezy, but is based on it.

And uses the wheezy repo's.

> > > It will not suffice on Jessie. The
> > > BrowseOrder, BrowseAllow, BrowseAddress and BrowseRemoteProtocols
> > > directives are no longer part of cups. cups also know nothing
> > > about 'CUPS'.
> >
> > Gah, Mike's been playing again, or someone at debian.  What was
> > wrong with the way it did work?
>
> A rhetorical question? Upstream has explained why a number of times.

Rhetorical?  No.  URL?

> dnssd is Bonjour (Avahi on Linux).

Thats an Appleism I assume.  Never had one of them critters that worked.  
There is a ][ out in the wood shed, but its memory is gone & won't boot. 
I never cared enough to get out a scope and find out which chip was bad. 
I am a CET, so it not the lack of a scope or semi knowledge, I have 2 
dual trace 100Mhz triggered scopes and am well versed in semi things.

And that is what function?  And can it be removed without eviscerating 
the rest of the system?

Thanks.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: Need help with CUPS printing

[Lisi Reisz]

On Monday 30 March 2015 12:52:32 Gene Heskett wrote:
> And, tell that to cups, or if installed, on BEH, which sees it as a
> failure & restarts the job, wasting another 40 sheets of paper & toner
> by the time you get it stopped by nuking the cups stuff in /var/cups
> or /var/tmp, or maybe /tmp, depending on the mood the installer was in
> for that version at the time.  You have to go find it, then get rights
> enough to nuke it.  Thats at least 2 minutes, while a 19 ppm printer is
> churning out paper.

Gene -

Hasn't your printer got an off switch???

Lisi


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Re: Need help with CUPS printing

[Chris Bannister]

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 06:48:07PM -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sunday 29 March 2015 12:58:11 Brian wrote:
> > On Sun 29 Mar 2015 at 10:57:37 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > I am getting the impression that the overall install on both doesn't
> > > have the correct Browsing options set, from this machine which
> > > serves all
> >
> > That could be a possibility, although the OP did say
> >
> >   > After installing the most recent upgrades to Jessie on both
> >   > computers this morning, I tried to print a few pages from
> >   > iceweasel and printing worked.
> 
> I missed that, it was a long post & my short term memory is poor. :(

Yes, that is one of the consequences when people don't trim/cut/remove
irrelevant content.

It is easier to just delete the message than struggling to try and make
sense of it. As I've read: "If someone can't be bothered to produce a
clear email then why should anyone bother reading it?"

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Re: My first brush with systemd

[Brian]

On Mon 30 Mar 2015 at 11:25:57 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> I then tried 
> # dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity
> 
> I got the following error message, left hand edge missing again:
> --
> 
> 064319]systemd-default-display-manager-generator[1316]:/lib/systemd/system/tdm.service
>  
> is not a systemd unit. we disable the systemd enabled display manager
> top-daemon:pid value must be a number greater than 0
> start-stop-daemon --help for more information
> ---

Does /lib/systemd/system/tdm.service exist? What are its contents?


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Re: Gnome troubleshooting after upgrading to stable

[Chris Bannister]

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 11:12:39PM -0300, Guimarães Faria Corcete DUTRA, 
Leandro wrote:
> I recently upgraded, but my users are not able to log in.

If you upgraded to stable, what were you using before?

I think you are going to have to provide a bit more information about
your environment.

(Sorry, I don't use GNOME and have no idea what those messages mean.)

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Re: Need help with CUPS printing

[Brian]

On Mon 30 Mar 2015 at 07:52:32 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Monday 30 March 2015 05:59:40 Brian wrote:
> >
> > A rhetorical question? Upstream has explained why a number of times.
> 
> Rhetorical?  No.  URL?

  http://lwn.net/Articles/485617/

should give enough for a wider and deeper search

> > dnssd is Bonjour (Avahi on Linux).
> 
> Thats an Appleism I assume.  Never had one of them critters that worked.  
> There is a ][ out in the wood shed, but its memory is gone & won't boot. 
> I never cared enough to get out a scope and find out which chip was bad. 
> I am a CET, so it not the lack of a scope or semi knowledge, I have 2 
> dual trace 100Mhz triggered scopes and am well versed in semi things.
> 
> And that is what function?  And can it be removed without eviscerating 
> the rest of the system?

It can, but the consequences very much depend on what devices are using
the network; for example, printing from a mobile phone.


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Re: Need help with CUPS printing

[Brian]

On Mon 30 Mar 2015 at 12:57:58 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Monday 30 March 2015 12:52:32 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > And, tell that to cups, or if installed, on BEH, which sees it as a
> > failure & restarts the job, wasting another 40 sheets of paper & toner
> > by the time you get it stopped by nuking the cups stuff in /var/cups
> > or /var/tmp, or maybe /tmp, depending on the mood the installer was in
> > for that version at the time.  You have to go find it, then get rights
> > enough to nuke it.  Thats at least 2 minutes, while a 19 ppm printer is
> > churning out paper.
> 
> Gene -
> 
> Hasn't your printer got an off switch???

Can be used - but usually leads to paper jams, which can be difficult to
clear.


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(ssh) Connection closed by

[Pol Hallen]

hey all :-)

unfortunately I don't have access to ssh server, I can only see:

Platform: i586-pc-linux-gnu
Compiled with: liblua-5.2.3 openssl-1.0.1k libpcre-8.35 libpcap-1.6.2 
nmap-libdnet-1.12 ipv6

Compiled without:
Available nsock engines: epoll poll select

ssh -vvvl user ip

debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: first_kex_follows 0
debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: reserved 0
debug2: mac_setup: setup hmac-sha1
debug1: kex: server->client 3des-cbc hmac-sha1 none
debug2: mac_setup: setup hmac-sha1
debug1: kex: client->server 3des-cbc hmac-sha1 none
debug2: bits set: 502/1024
debug1: sending SSH2_MSG_KEXDH_INIT
debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEXDH_REPLY
Connection closed by IP

any idea to solve?

Thanks!

Pol


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Re: (ssh) Connection closed by

[Peter Viskup]

Could be your ssh client proposing ciphers the SSH server doesn't
understand. This was known issue with communication of ssh client 5+ to ssh
server 4.x and older.
Give it a try and let us know.

http://www.held.org.il/blog/2011/05/the-myterious-case-of-broken-ssh-client-connection-reset-by-peer/

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Pol Hallen  wrote:

> hey all :-)
>
> unfortunately I don't have access to ssh server, I can only see:
>
> Platform: i586-pc-linux-gnu
> Compiled with: liblua-5.2.3 openssl-1.0.1k libpcre-8.35 libpcap-1.6.2
> nmap-libdnet-1.12 ipv6
> Compiled without:
> Available nsock engines: epoll poll select
>
> ssh -vvvl user ip
>
> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: first_kex_follows 0
> debug2: kex_parse_kexinit: reserved 0
> debug2: mac_setup: setup hmac-sha1
> debug1: kex: server->client 3des-cbc hmac-sha1 none
> debug2: mac_setup: setup hmac-sha1
> debug1: kex: client->server 3des-cbc hmac-sha1 none
> debug2: bits set: 502/1024
> debug1: sending SSH2_MSG_KEXDH_INIT
> debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEXDH_REPLY
> Connection closed by IP
>
> any idea to solve?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Pol
>
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Re: sshfs: problem with rsync

[Pierre Frenkiel]

On Mon, 30 Mar 2015, Kushal Kumaran wrote:


Is file.txt an existing file you're trying to replace with rsync?  Try
sshfs with -o workaround=rename.


  rsync also fails if the target file doesn't exist, because rsync always create
  a temporary file, and tries to rename it. But it works in all cases with your 
-o option.
  I found an other fix, using "rsync -T tempdir ..." but it's not so good, as 
rsync must
  move to the target dir after the transfer, which of course takes more time 
than a rename,
  especially if tempdir is not on the same device.

Thanks a lot for your help

best regards,
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Re: Redirect HTTPS with Squid3+Squidguard

[Stefan Monnier]

> The best thing is to educate your children instead of trying to
> shelter them from those sites.

   "Why choose"
or
   "Security in depth"


Stefan


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Re: My first brush with systemd

[Lisi Reisz]

On Monday 30 March 2015 12:49:30 Brian wrote:
> On Mon 30 Mar 2015 at 11:25:57 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> > I then tried
> > # dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity
> >
> > I got the following error message, left hand edge missing again:
> > --
> >
> > 064319]systemd-default-display-manager-generator[1316]:/lib/systemd/syste
> >m/tdm.service is not a systemd unit. we disable the systemd enabled
> > display manager top-daemon:pid value must be a number greater than 0
> > start-stop-daemon --help for more information
> > ---
>
> Does /lib/systemd/system/tdm.service exist? 

No.  At least, if I try to cat it I get the message that there is no such file 
or directory.  And  produces a blank.

> What are its contents? 

None, presumably.

Lisi


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Re: Need help with CUPS printing

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 30 March 2015 07:57:58 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Monday 30 March 2015 12:52:32 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > And, tell that to cups, or if installed, on BEH, which sees it as a
> > failure & restarts the job, wasting another 40 sheets of paper &
> > toner by the time you get it stopped by nuking the cups stuff in
> > /var/cups or /var/tmp, or maybe /tmp, depending on the mood the
> > installer was in for that version at the time.  You have to go find
> > it, then get rights enough to nuke it.  Thats at least 2 minutes,
> > while a 19 ppm printer is churning out paper.
>
> Gene -
>
> Hasn't your printer got an off switch???
>
> Lisi

Yes, but its not very instant, Lisi. Good 10 second timeout before it 
recognizes the button push.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: Need help with CUPS printing

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 30 March 2015 08:20:27 Brian wrote:
> On Mon 30 Mar 2015 at 07:52:32 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Monday 30 March 2015 05:59:40 Brian wrote:
> > > A rhetorical question? Upstream has explained why a number of
> > > times.
> >
> > Rhetorical?  No.  URL?
>
>   http://lwn.net/Articles/485617/

That reads like we could be the guest of honor at a CF!

Time to fork it maybe?

> should give enough for a wider and deeper search
>
> > > dnssd is Bonjour (Avahi on Linux).
> >
> > Thats an Appleism I assume.  Never had one of them critters that
> > worked. There is a ][ out in the wood shed, but its memory is gone &
> > won't boot. I never cared enough to get out a scope and find out
> > which chip was bad. I am a CET, so it not the lack of a scope or
> > semi knowledge, I have 2 dual trace 100Mhz triggered scopes and am
> > well versed in semi things.
> >
> > And that is what function?  And can it be removed without
> > eviscerating the rest of the system?
>
> It can, but the consequences very much depend on what devices are
> using the network; for example, printing from a mobile phone.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: Need help with CUPS printing

[Lisi Reisz]

On Monday 30 March 2015 14:46:11 Gene Heskett wrote:
> CF

You've defeated me _and_ 
http://www.acronymfinder.com/
this time Gene!

Well, anyhow, me. :-(

Lisi


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Re: My first brush with systemd

[Andrew McGlashan]

On 30/03/2015 9:25 PM, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> Any useful suggestions for what I could try?  In my book, chuck systemd would 
> not count as useful.  Though it has crossed my mind. :-(

You wouldn't be the first... to chuck systemd ... it's bad new   ;-)

A.


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Re: Need help with CUPS printing

[claude juif]

Humm, Chinese Food Maybe ? ;)

2015-03-30 16:06 GMT+02:00 Lisi Reisz :

> On Monday 30 March 2015 14:46:11 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > CF
>
> You've defeated me _and_
> http://www.acronymfinder.com/
> this time Gene!
>
> Well, anyhow, me. :-(
>
> Lisi
>
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Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)

[Ron]

http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150330#community

Or is it serious ?
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
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Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)

[claude juif]

wow, seems real.

That's funny. Now than everybody has switched to systemd, we would need to
switch to a systemd kernel. (It really seems that systemd devs get hard
time to speak to other people).

And right after they would make systemd OS non-free (like many others open
source projects do now)

In one year we would have a new Windows OS Base on systemd (joke, but not
so much)

2015-03-30 16:00 GMT+02:00 Renaud OLGIATI :

> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150330#community
>
> Or is it serious ?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ron.
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Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)

[Patrick Bartek]

On Mon, 30 Mar 2015, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:

> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150330#community
> 
> Or is it serious ?

I'm not laughing.

B


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Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)

[Petter Adsen]

On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 10:00:58 -0400
Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI  wrote:

> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150330#community
> 
> Or is it serious ?
>  
> Cheers,
>  
> Ron.

It's a joke. Search for the name of the developer named in the post.

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Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)

[Petter Adsen]

On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 17:56:22 +0200
claude juif  wrote:

> wow, seems real.
> 
> That's funny. Now than everybody has switched to systemd, we would
> need to switch to a systemd kernel. (It really seems that systemd
> devs get hard time to speak to other people).

Read the post. The "developer" that announced this is supposedly named
GOTYAovich - get it? He does not exist, even less as a systemd
developer.

Thank $DEITY.

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Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)

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It's too early for an April fools joke, no matter where you live.

> Or is it serious ?

Lennart Linux lives on give us back Linus Linux, please!  Enough of
this systemd nonsense already before it really is too late.

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Re: Need help with CUPS printing

[David Wright]

Quoting Gene Heskett (ghesk...@wdtv.com):
> On Monday 30 March 2015 05:59:40 Brian wrote:
> > On Sun 29 Mar 2015 at 18:48:07 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > On Sunday 29 March 2015 12:58:11 Brian wrote:
> > > > These directives should be in /etc/cups/cups-files.
> > >
> > > I was just making sure I could kill a job gone wild without having
> > > to become root on a rootless system to do it. My color laser would
> > > have wasted 40 sheets of paper while I was gaining access rights.
> >
> > Membership of the lpadmin group is sufficient to give administration
> > rights to a user. Having him in the root group is very questionable.
> > There is also the 'cancel' button on the printer.
> 
> Here, its X-Cancel.
> 
> And, tell that to cups, or if installed, on BEH, which sees it as a 
> failure & restarts the job, wasting another 40 sheets of paper & toner 
> by the time you get it stopped by nuking the cups stuff in /var/cups 
> or /var/tmp, or maybe /tmp, depending on the mood the installer was in 
> for that version at the time.  You have to go find it, then get rights 
> enough to nuke it.  Thats at least 2 minutes, while a 19 ppm printer is 
> churning out paper.

What ErrorPolicy do you have set in /etc/cups/printers.conf, and have
you tried ErrorPolicy abort-job.

Now I know that you like testing your printers with real 80 page jobs,
but have you thought of putting a stack of discarded output into the
feed hopper (to conserve paper) and printing jobs that have a single
character on each page (to conserve ink/toner) so you can test the
printers reaction to Cancel while you play with the settings.

> However, I cannot recall if changes to group are instant or need a reboot 
> to fully effect them.

Neither. Just log in.

> > dnssd is Bonjour (Avahi on Linux).

> And that is what function?  And can it be removed without eviscerating 
> the rest of the system?

>From this thread, and several previous ones, eg "So much for a wheezy
install, massive fail", "Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0",
I can't see how anyone would be unwise enough to copy your
configuration (or even base theirs upon yours) as posted in
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/03/msg01151.html
even if it comes with a "Just Works(TM)" sticker. Sorry, make that a
"Just Works(TM) until the next bare metal install, which starts the 3
ring circus of getting networking to actually work again..." sticker.

Cheers,
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Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)

[Andrew McGlashan]

On 31/03/2015 3:18 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> On 31/03/2015 1:00 AM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
>> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150330#community
> 
> It's too early for an April fools joke, no matter where you live.
> 
>> Or is it serious ?
> 
> Lennart Linux lives on give us back Linus Linux, please!  Enough of
> this systemd nonsense already before it really is too late.
> 
> A.

https://github.com/systemdaemon/systemd/issues

Clearly an early April Fools but it is very plausible, this is where
Linux IS going :(

A.


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Re: My first brush with systemd

[Darac Marjal]

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 11:25:57AM +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:
> The situation:
> I need to reinstall tdm-trinity.  It's a long saga.  I am getting the 
> following.  The left hand edge is missing (on the display so on my copy) and 
> I can't see the text very well, so I may have miscopied.  But here it is, for 
> what it is worth:
> -
> # aptitude reinstall tdm-trinity
> 
> up tdm-trinity 94:14.0.1~pre21-0debian8.0.0.2~a)...
> top-daemon:pid value must be a number greater than 0
> start-stop-daemon --help for more information

My guess is that the package scripts are trying to stop the existing
display-manager so that they can start tdm-trinity. However, maybe due
to the way s-s-d is being called, s-s-d is getting an invalid value for
the Process ID of that existing display-manager. My guess, again, is
that the PID it's getting is 0, which is indicative of "the process
you're looking for isn't running"

A couple of options to hack around this are to unpack the deb, edit the
scripts (either post-inst or pre-inst as necessary) and then re-pack the
deb, which you then install.

The other alternative would be to do some prestidigitation with s-s-d.
Write a little script:
 #!/bin/sh

 exit 0

Copy /sbin/start-stop-daemon somewhere safe and put your script in its
place (make sure to chmod +x it), then install the package (at which
point, your fake s-s-d will signal success, but do nothing). Move the
original s-s-d back into place and restart the service.

> 
> 
> I then tried 
> # dpkg-reconfigure tdm-trinity
> 
> I got the following error message, left hand edge missing again:
> --
> 
> 064319]systemd-default-display-manager-generator[1316]:/lib/systemd/system/tdm.service
>  
> is not a systemd unit. we disable the systemd enabled display manager
> top-daemon:pid value must be a number greater than 0
> start-stop-daemon --help for more information
> ---
> 
> Any useful suggestions for what I could try?  In my book, chuck systemd would 
> not count as useful.  Though it has crossed my mind. :-(
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Lisi
> 
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Re: Need help with CUPS printing

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 30 March 2015 10:06:48 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Monday 30 March 2015 14:46:11 Gene Heskett wrote:
> > CF
>
> You've defeated me _and_
> http://www.acronymfinder.com/
> this time Gene!

Suffice to say its not supposed to be spelled out in mixed company.

> Well, anyhow, me. :-(
>
> Lisi

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Re: Need help with CUPS printing

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 30 March 2015 12:45:50 David Wright wrote:
> Quoting Gene Heskett (ghesk...@wdtv.com):
> > On Monday 30 March 2015 05:59:40 Brian wrote:
> > > On Sun 29 Mar 2015 at 18:48:07 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > On Sunday 29 March 2015 12:58:11 Brian wrote:
> > > > > These directives should be in /etc/cups/cups-files.
> > > >
> > > > I was just making sure I could kill a job gone wild without
> > > > having to become root on a rootless system to do it. My color
> > > > laser would have wasted 40 sheets of paper while I was gaining
> > > > access rights.
> > >
> > > Membership of the lpadmin group is sufficient to give
> > > administration rights to a user. Having him in the root group is
> > > very questionable. There is also the 'cancel' button on the
> > > printer.
> >
> > Here, its X-Cancel.
> >
> > And, tell that to cups, or if installed, on BEH, which sees it as a
> > failure & restarts the job, wasting another 40 sheets of paper &
> > toner by the time you get it stopped by nuking the cups stuff in
> > /var/cups or /var/tmp, or maybe /tmp, depending on the mood the
> > installer was in for that version at the time.  You have to go find
> > it, then get rights enough to nuke it.  Thats at least 2 minutes,
> > while a 19 ppm printer is churning out paper.
>
> What ErrorPolicy do you have set in /etc/cups/printers.conf, and have
> you tried ErrorPolicy abort-job.
>
> Now I know that you like testing your printers with real 80 page jobs,

Your exhuberant guess is approximately 1800 pages short.  There are 
almost 1900 pages of LinuxCNC manuals.  Since it is still under active 
development I reprint the lot of them at about 2 year intervals to keep 
abreast of the newer stuff.

> but have you thought of putting a stack of discarded output into the
> feed hopper (to conserve paper) and printing jobs that have a single
> character on each page (to conserve ink/toner) so you can test the
> printers reaction to Cancel while you play with the settings.

No. IMO it should just work for the machines owner/operator.

> > However, I cannot recall if changes to group are instant or need a
> > reboot to fully effect them.
>
> Neither. Just log in.

New shell IOW.

> > > dnssd is Bonjour (Avahi on Linux).
> >
> > And that is what function?  And can it be removed without
> > eviscerating the rest of the system?
>
> From this thread, and several previous ones, eg "So much for a wheezy
> install, massive fail", "Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0",

I don't at this time recall what I did, other than to remove all printers 
& start all over again, but it now works.

> I can't see how anyone would be unwise enough to copy your
> configuration (or even base theirs upon yours) as posted in
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/03/msg01151.html
> even if it comes with a "Just Works(TM)" sticker. Sorry, make that a
> "Just Works(TM) until the next bare metal install, which starts the 3
> ring circus of getting networking to actually work again..." sticker.

It does, network-mangler is totally incapable of dealing with a 
local /etc/hosts file based network.  If it is, then someones updating 
of the docs is sorely needed because that starting premise is not 
mentioned.  So I do what I have to do. I can't help it if that Just 
Works(TM) offends your sense of righteousness.

To add insult to the no network injury here, Network-Mangler cannot be 
removed because it has dependencies that would destroy the rest of the 
system, and I've not found a way to disable it other than fixing the 
files so it works and chattr +i them as I go. Network-Mangler should 
complain, but if it does I am not privy to the conversation.  I still 
see it bouncing around in the htop output, but it no longer has the 
tools to screw me up.

My linux usage dates to the winter of 1997-98.  Yours?

> Cheers, David.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: GRUB loading.. Welcome to GRUB! error: incompatible license Entering rescue mode..

[Doug]

/snip/


I couldn't find anything immediately helpful on the web so I downloaded
the source code for grub. Fortunately, there's only one instance of the
phrase "incompatible license" in there and it's in a small function
called "grub_dl_check_license". The purpose of this function is to
confirm that a module being loaded has a license of "GPLv3", "GPLv3+" or
"GPLv2+". If not, then it returns the above error. I'm not intimately
familiar with the GPL, but as GRUB is one of GNU's higher-visibility
projects, I imagine this is seen as a perfectly cromulent thing to do.



/snip/

_cromulent_ 

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Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)

[Frank]

On 30/03/15 12:40 PM, Andrew McGlashan wrote:

On 31/03/2015 3:18 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote:

On 31/03/2015 1:00 AM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:

http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150330#community


It's too early for an April fools joke, no matter where you live.


Or is it serious ?


Lennart Linux lives on give us back Linus Linux, please!  Enough of
this systemd nonsense already before it really is too late.

A.


https://github.com/systemdaemon/systemd/issues

Clearly an early April Fools but it is very plausible, this is where
Linux IS going :(



  I hope Lennart doesn't see this - if he wasn't thinking about this 
before.





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Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)

[Ric Moore]

On 03/30/2015 12:40 PM, Andrew McGlashan wrote:

On 31/03/2015 3:18 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote:

On 31/03/2015 1:00 AM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:

http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150330#community


It's too early for an April fools joke, no matter where you live.


Or is it serious ?


Lennart Linux lives on give us back Linus Linux, please!  Enough of
this systemd nonsense already before it really is too late.

A.


https://github.com/systemdaemon/systemd/issues

Clearly an early April Fools but it is very plausible, this is where
Linux IS going :(


If you cock your head to one side, close one eye and squint, it actually 
makes sense. Unpopular? Maybe so, but it still makes sense, if only to 
make Linux less of a moving target for people to develop on.


 I'd LOVE to see one unified directory structure to rule them all, for 
instance. Imagine nVidia could deliver it's driver and have only one 
spot to install to across all of the distros. Yes, I would love to get 
rid of network manager as long as something BETTER replaces it. There's 
the rub as well. It's a lack of portability that keeps the Linux Desktop 
down there with the bottom feeders.


One thing is for sure, systemd BETTER work as advertised, for all the 
controversy they have created. :/ Ric



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Re: GRUB loading.. Welcome to GRUB! error: incompatible license Entering rescue mode..

[Brian]

On Mon 30 Mar 2015 at 14:34:29 -0400, Doug wrote:

> /snip/
> 
> >>I couldn't find anything immediately helpful on the web so I downloaded
> >>the source code for grub. Fortunately, there's only one instance of the
> >>phrase "incompatible license" in there and it's in a small function
> >>called "grub_dl_check_license". The purpose of this function is to
> >>confirm that a module being loaded has a license of "GPLv3", "GPLv3+" or
> >>"GPLv2+". If not, then it returns the above error. I'm not intimately
> >>familiar with the GPL, but as GRUB is one of GNU's higher-visibility
> >>projects, I imagine this is seen as a perfectly cromulent thing to do.
> >>
> 
> /snip/
> 
> _cromulent_ 

In these days of ever-present internet access its meaning is a single
one word search away.

Marvel at human imagination.


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Re: GRUB loading.. Welcome to GRUB! error: incompatible license Entering rescue mode..

[Lisi Reisz]

On Monday 30 March 2015 19:34:29 Doug wrote:
> /snip/
>
> >> I couldn't find anything immediately helpful on the web so I downloaded
> >> the source code for grub. Fortunately, there's only one instance of the
> >> phrase "incompatible license" in there and it's in a small function
> >> called "grub_dl_check_license". The purpose of this function is to
> >> confirm that a module being loaded has a license of "GPLv3", "GPLv3+" or
> >> "GPLv2+". If not, then it returns the above error. I'm not intimately
> >> familiar with the GPL, but as GRUB is one of GNU's higher-visibility
> >> projects, I imagine this is seen as a perfectly cromulent thing to do.
>
> /snip/
>
> _cromulent_ 


http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cromulent


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Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)

[Ron]

> >>> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150330#community
> >> It's too early for an April fools joke, no matter where you live.
> >>> Or is it serious ?

> >> Lennart Linux lives on give us back Linus Linux, please!  Enough of
> >> this systemd nonsense already before it really is too late.

> > https://github.com/systemdaemon/systemd/issues

> > Clearly an early April Fools but it is very plausible, this is where
> > Linux IS going :(

>I hope Lennart doesn't see this - if he wasn't thinking about this 
> before.

I hope he does, and follows the idea.

That way he can fork off, with his systemd bloatware and his own kernel, and 
leave the rest of the Linux world return to sanity.
 
Cheers,
 
Ron.
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Re: Need help with CUPS printing

[Dan Purgert]

On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 14:31:15 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:

> [snip...]
> It does, network-mangler is totally incapable of dealing with a local
> /etc/hosts file based network. 

I've added hosts to /etc/hosts with no problem whilst sill having Network 
Manager do its thing.

However, I DID comment out the entry "dns=dnsmasq" from /etc/
NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf so maybe that has something to do with 
it.


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when did http.debian.net change to httpredir.debian.org

[shirish शिरीष]

Hi all,
I have CCed debian-user as there might be people who might also have
an idea. People @debian-user list, please CC me as I'm not subscribed
to the list because of the avalanche of mails that debian-user creates
(read as information overload) so if somebody answers, please CC me.

I made a blog post tonight, see
https://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2015/03/31/etcaptsources-list-gnome-3-16-jessie-rc2/
where I shared http.debian.net as the debian.net re-director.

But apparently, that got changed to httpredir.debian.org as can be
seen at the web-page http.debian.net but when or how is not known. I
looked at debian-devel-annou...@lists.debian.org but didn't find any
mention of it. It's possible that I may have over-looked one of the
mails or the change in the service was not properly announced.

In either of those scenarios, if somebody knows or has better
information, please share the same.
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Re: After upgrade to jessie usb keyboard multimedia keys stopped working

[deloptes]

Petter Adsen wrote:

> On Sun, 29 Mar 2015 19:38:14 +0200
> deloptes  wrote:
> 
>> Petter Adsen wrote:
>> 
>> > xev -event keyboard
>> 
>> No they do not - any idea what direction I should dig.
> 
> Do you use a DE or a WM? Which one?

I use trinity KDE3 that is now TDE r14

> 
>> I see this in the Xorg.0.log
>> 
>> [143241.089] (**) Option "xkb_rules" "evdev"
> 
> That's OK.
> 
>> [143241.089] (**) Option "xkb_model" "a4techKB21"
> 
> Is that what you actually have, ie is that the actual model of
> keyboard that you use? If not, I would set it to "pc104" for a US
> keyboard, or "pc105" for an international keyboard. Those are the
> "Generic 104-key PC" and "Generic 105-key (Intl) PC", respectively. I
> am not sure if that will help, since the multimedia keys don't register
> with xev, but it might be worth a shot. Just a guess on my part, though.

Th fact is that it should have been there I guess - I already tried 105key
and latitude but no success. when searching in google on "a4techKB21" I
found this http://osdir.com/ml/debian-bugs-dist/2011-05/msg00724.html

which is pretty similar to my problem and what I see in the Xorg log file

> 
> Take a look at "man setxkbmap" for the gritty details.
> 
>> [143241.089] (**) Option "xkb_layout" "us,de,bg"
>> [143241.089] (**) Option "xkb_options" "compose:rwin,grp_led:scroll"
> 
> I assume these are what you have chosen, and they should have no effect
> on which keys register.

Yes this is correct I played with some combinations of following

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Keyboard0"
Driver  "kbd"
#   Driver  "evdev"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Keyboard1"
#   Driver  "kbd"
Driver  "evdev"
Option   "XkbModel" "pc105"
EndSection


> 
>> so where is this model coming from? and is this the correct one? But
>> how was it working in wheezy - did it change in the background?
> 
> Well, *something* must have changed, since it's not working :) Did you
> do an in-place upgrade, or did you reinstall?

in-place I did never have to reinstall. I upgraded to jessie because I
switched the notebook. The old one was already for 8y in my service. But X
in wheezy seem not to support the newer intel HD, so dilemma compile X+
packages or upgrade.
I think this should be some bug or lack of proper mapping/setting the
keyboard. This one is cheep ISY IKE 3100 USB Multimedia Keyboard, but the
bug mentioned above describes wrong configuration because detecting a power
key, which I see in the log.
The MM keys work on the latitude board and they were working in the previous
version of debian for sure.

So thank you anyway for the time! it looks like it will take some time to
fix it, though it is annoying, because I use the computer to play music, or
watch tv in the free time and it is pretty handy to control the volume via
the external keyboard.

> 
> I'm sorry I can't help more, but I don't have a deep understanding of
> how X handles keyboard input.
> 
> Good luck, though.
> 
> Petter
> 

As I'm pretty busy with business and a 2y old funny little furry so I
decided to ask the community before taking the trip into the darkest secret
places of this part of linux and X ... I never had to, but it is also never
too late.

Thank again - if I find the solution I'll update for the sake of truth and
completeness 

regards


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Re: Wheezy wifi problems

[Bob Holtzman]

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 07:48:38PM -0500, David Wright wrote:
> Quoting Bob Holtzman (hol...@cox.net):
> > After figuring out how to get iwlwifi installed and now being able to
> > turn on the transciever, the problem becomes being asked for
> > authentication as in a password or encryption key to connect to the
> > network. I don't remmember setting up a password or key for this.My
> > previous install of wheezy didn't do this.
> > 
> > Anyone have an idea how I can get connected? Any pointers appreciated. 
> 
> Well, it might help to know what software you're trying to connect
> with, and where you are: in a café or at home. If you're at home, I'd
> would have thought it unlikely that you (or houses around) are running
> a wifi Access Point without encryption.
> 
> I use wicd myself. If I look at the APs listed, move down the list
> with ↓ and then press →, the configuration for that AP screen will
> have the "Use Encryption" box checked if the AP was listed as
> requiring it (which, in my living room, they all are). It's then a
> matter of using ↓ to move down to the line marked "Key:" and typing in
> the key (set at the router/AP).

Bingo. That's the prod I needed. It naver occured to me that the
encryption key the program was referring to was the *router* key. 

Thanks for getting me off top dead center. 

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Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)

[Paul E Condon]

On 20150330_1433-0400, Ric Moore wrote:
> On 03/30/2015 12:40 PM, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> >On 31/03/2015 3:18 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
> >>On 31/03/2015 1:00 AM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
> >>>http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150330#community
> >>
> >>It's too early for an April fools joke, no matter where you live.
> >>
> >>>Or is it serious ?
> >>
> >>Lennart Linux lives on give us back Linus Linux, please!  Enough of
> >>this systemd nonsense already before it really is too late.
> >>
> >>A.
> >
> >https://github.com/systemdaemon/systemd/issues
> >
> >Clearly an early April Fools but it is very plausible, this is where
> >Linux IS going :(
> 
> If you cock your head to one side, close one eye and squint, it actually
> makes sense. Unpopular? Maybe so, but it still makes sense, if only to make
> Linux less of a moving target for people to develop on.
> 
>  I'd LOVE to see one unified directory structure to rule them all, for
> instance. Imagine nVidia could deliver it's driver and have only one spot to
> install to across all of the distros. Yes, I would love to get rid of
> network manager as long as something BETTER replaces it. There's the rub as
> well. It's a lack of portability that keeps the Linux Desktop down there
> with the bottom feeders.
> 
> One thing is for sure, systemd BETTER work as advertised, for all the
> controversy they have created. :/ Ric

When I first heard about systemd, which was not so long ago, the
decision for Debian to actually switch to systemd seemed to me to have
already been made.  I'm not responsible for some computer systems in
some large organization, so my major concern was can I understand this
new stuff? I noticed the new word 'cgroup'. I soon found out (from
Wikipedia) that this was a major new feature that, after a long
development, was finally a part of the Linux kernel, and
differentiated it from other OS kernels. It seems to me there are many
other ways of using cgroups than just systemd. They were not invented
for the purpose of a disruptive departure from the Unix/Posix
tradition, but for solving problems that were entirely within the
kernel, or so it seemed at the time. If there is any reality to
systemd people forking the kernel, I'm sure there will be plenty of
kernel developers who will be happy to see them go, so that they can
get on with the fun of applying cgroups to the problems for which they
were developed, so it seems.

There may be kernel developers who are interested in forking systemd
and cleaning out the cruft brought on by a rushed development. ;-)

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Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)

[bjf092]

I don't know much about systemd; I'm curious as to why people think it's  so 
terrible.
 
This question is directed at the crowd, not just you.

> On Mar 30, 2015, at 12:40, Andrew McGlashan 
>  wrote:
> 
>> On 31/03/2015 3:18 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote:
>>> On 31/03/2015 1:00 AM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote:
>>> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20150330#community
>> 
>> It's too early for an April fools joke, no matter where you live.
>> 
>>> Or is it serious ?
>> 
>> Lennart Linux lives on give us back Linus Linux, please!  Enough of
>> this systemd nonsense already before it really is too late.
>> 
>> A.
> 
> https://github.com/systemdaemon/systemd/issues
> 
> Clearly an early April Fools but it is very plausible, this is where
> Linux IS going :(
> 
> A.
> 
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Reminiscences, was Re: Need help with CUPS printing

[David Wright]

Quoting Gene Heskett (ghesk...@wdtv.com):
> On Monday 30 March 2015 12:45:50 David Wright wrote:
> > Quoting Gene Heskett (ghesk...@wdtv.com):
> > > On Monday 30 March 2015 05:59:40 Brian wrote:
> > > > On Sun 29 Mar 2015 at 18:48:07 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday 29 March 2015 12:58:11 Brian wrote:
> > > And, tell that to cups, or if installed, on BEH, which sees it as a
> > > failure & restarts the job, wasting another 40 sheets of paper &
> > > toner by the time you get it stopped by nuking the cups stuff in
> > > /var/cups or /var/tmp, or maybe /tmp, depending on the mood the
> > > installer was in for that version at the time.  You have to go find
> > > it, then get rights enough to nuke it.  Thats at least 2 minutes,
> > > while a 19 ppm printer is churning out paper.
> >
> > What ErrorPolicy do you have set in /etc/cups/printers.conf, and have
> > you tried ErrorPolicy abort-job.
> >
> > Now I know that you like testing your printers with real 80 page jobs,
> 
> Your exhuberant guess is approximately 1800 pages short. There are 
> almost 1900 pages of LinuxCNC manuals.

I was within 10% of the 88 page jobs you appeared to be using to test
duplex printing ("so I now have 4 copies of an 88 page manual, printed
single sided") reported in 
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/02/msg00880.html

> > but have you thought of putting a stack of discarded output into the
> > feed hopper (to conserve paper) and printing jobs that have a single
> > character on each page (to conserve ink/toner) so you can test the
> > printers reaction to Cancel while you play with the settings.
> 
> No. IMO it should just work for the machines owner/operator.

Fair enough.

> > > However, I cannot recall if changes to group are instant or need a
> > > reboot to fully effect them.
> >
> > Neither. Just log in.
> 
> New shell IOW.

Not in my experience: neither "$ bash" nor "$ bash -l" pick up new
groups on my system, whereas "$ /bin/su myself" does.

> > > > dnssd is Bonjour (Avahi on Linux).
> > >
> > > And that is what function?  And can it be removed without
> > > eviscerating the rest of the system?
> >
> > From this thread, and several previous ones, eg "So much for a wheezy
> > install, massive fail", "Okular vs printer, okular 1, printer 0",
> 
> I don't at this time recall what I did, other than to remove all printers 
> & start all over again, but it now works.
> 
> > I can't see how anyone would be unwise enough to copy your
> > configuration (or even base theirs upon yours) as posted in
> > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/03/msg01151.html
> > even if it comes with a "Just Works(TM)" sticker. Sorry, make that a
> > "Just Works(TM) until the next bare metal install, which starts the 3
> > ring circus of getting networking to actually work again..." sticker.
> 
> It does, [...]
> 
> My linux usage dates to the winter of 1997-98.  Yours?

I'm not certain where we're going with this. I certainly don't claim
any authority or wisdom from longevity of experience. I don't have a
fraction of the knowledge and expertise of many people here.

But FWIW I started playing with linux in 1995 with slackware, using
the umsdos filesystem so that it could share the 500MB disk with MSDOS
6.22 and W3.1 on a 486 with 8MB memory. I was fascinated by the way
the filesystem turned itself "inside out" when linux booted. X was
hopeless as it would just crash. But I was really just learning some
commands ready for when the Open University migrated from Vaxen to
unix, because my background was IBM1130, 360, 370 (mitigated by the
Cambridge Phoenix system), DEC-20 and VMS.

Getting a 133MHz 32MB Pentium with a 2GB disk in October 1996, I moved
to Debian (which wouldn't play with umsdos). This back in the days when
kindly people on this list would roll you a SCSI kernel over the weekend
(thank you, Martin) and Linus was still CCing here. So I just missed
the Debian 1.0 debacle, and started with buzz (1.1). Difficult to
believe it installed from 1+1+3 floppies.

When rex arrived in December, I got stuck because I had a dozen
partitions on my disk and rex only had sda1 through sda8. But
soldiering on, Alessandro Rubini's book on Device Drivers came out
just in time for me to write my first module in 1998. Unlike you, I
didn't have the nightmare of linuxcnc-type stuff because that was
offloaded onto an MC1401 chip through my device driver. But I gave up
all that hairy stuff in 2004 when I retired the first time. My last
custom kernel was with lenny. So jessie is my 13th Debian version.

Cheers,
David.


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Re: xmodmap question

[Rusi Mody]

On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 5:30:05 PM UTC+5:30, Petter Adsen wrote:
> I've been playing with xmodmap to change the comma on the numpad
> (Norwegian layout) to a period, as I mainly use the numpad for entering
> IP addresses. According to the man page, section "Expression Grammar",
> the first keysym is for the key with no modifier, and a second is for
> the key with Shift as a modifier.
> 
> However, when I run 'xmodmap -e "keycode 91=period"', the key simply
> "dies", it no longer outputs anything, although 'xmodmap -pk' lists it
> as set to "period". If I run 'xmodmap -e "keycode 91=period period"',
> it works just fine (although it also sets it with Shift, but I don't
> mind that).
> 
> What am I doing wrong? Why can't I just change the keysym to be sent
> without a modifier?

xmodmap is obsolete and increasingly broken in current distros.
We are supposed to switch to setxkbmap.
[I never said its better!]
I asked same question on emacs list and got this answer from Yuri Khan

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/gnu.emacs.help/yesOU0m0vIE/TDUo7QZDPdkJ


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Re: Is this an April Fool joke running early ? (Systemd to fork the kernel)

[Ric Moore]

On 03/30/2015 08:38 PM, bjf...@gmail.com wrote:

I don't know much about systemd; I'm curious as to why people think it's  so 
terrible.


Use your google-fu. It's been hashed over to death on this list and 
frankly any attempt to resurrect yet another discussion is not 
encouraged, as there is nothing further to discuss that would be new. 
Enjoy your google search! :) Ric




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Re: Reminiscences, was Re: Need help with CUPS printing

[Gene Heskett]

On Monday 30 March 2015 23:36:02 David Wright wrote:
> > > Now I know that you like testing your printers with real 80 page
> > > jobs,
> >
> > Your exhuberant guess is approximately 1800 pages short. There are
> > almost 1900 pages of LinuxCNC manuals.
>
> I was within 10% of the 88 page jobs you appeared to be using to test
> duplex printing ("so I now have 4 copies of an 88 page manual, printed
> single sided") reported in
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/02/msg00880.html

That was when I was trying to print the nut docs so I could get it 
working on debian, which it now is, although I had to put the third set 
of batteries in it since I bought it quit a few years back.

> > New shell IOW.
>
> Not in my experience: neither "$ bash" nor "$ bash -l" pick up new
> groups on my system, whereas "$ /bin/su myself" does.
I have not done a real 100% audit of that, but for $PATH changes, I know 
that just works when a new terminal is launched.  The other stuff? 
Mostly unk.

> > My linux usage dates to the winter of 1997-98.  Yours?
>
> I'm not certain where we're going with this. I certainly don't claim
> any authority or wisdom from longevity of experience. I don't have a
> fraction of the knowledge and expertise of many people here.
>
> But FWIW I started playing with linux in 1995 with slackware, using
> the umsdos filesystem so that it could share the 500MB disk with MSDOS
> 6.22 and W3.1 on a 486 with 8MB memory. I was fascinated by the way
> the filesystem turned itself "inside out" when linux booted. X was
> hopeless as it would just crash. But I was really just learning some
> commands ready for when the Open University migrated from Vaxen to
> unix, because my background was IBM1130, 360, 370 (mitigated by the
> Cambridge Phoenix system), DEC-20 and VMS.
>
> Getting a 133MHz 32MB Pentium with a 2GB disk in October 1996, I moved
> to Debian (which wouldn't play with umsdos). This back in the days
> when kindly people on this list would roll you a SCSI kernel over the
> weekend (thank you, Martin) and Linus was still CCing here. So I just
> missed the Debian 1.0 debacle, and started with buzz (1.1). Difficult
> to believe it installed from 1+1+3 floppies.

Chuckle, yes, I have "rolled my own" on probably 100+ occassions.  They 
usually work. :)

> When rex arrived in December, I got stuck because I had a dozen
> partitions on my disk and rex only had sda1 through sda8. But
> soldiering on, Alessandro Rubini's book on Device Drivers came out
> just in time for me to write my first module in 1998.

I  have that book I believe, not been cracked is a while though.

> Unlike you, I 
> didn't have the nightmare of linuxcnc-type stuff because that was
> offloaded onto an MC1401 chip through my device driver. But I gave up
> all that hairy stuff in 2004 when I retired the first time. My last
> custom kernel was with lenny. So jessie is my 13th Debian version.

I've been all over the place for distros.  But with that sort of a 
record, you ought to be pretty close to my age, 80.  I've often claimed 
I was a geek before the word was invented. As a child, I had an unusual 
mother, she was the only girl in the 1929 class on aviation technology 
at Des Moines Technical high school. If she didn't know the answers to a 
little boys physics related questions, she did know where the library 
was. So I was reading some pretty advanced stuff by the end of the third 
grade.  Been at the right place at the right time to get in on some 
state of the art projects.  The tv cameras on the Trieste when it, Lt 
Walsh and Jacques Coustou went down in the mohole, 37+ thousand feet in 
the pacific were partially assembed by me.  Very primitive by todays 
stds, but they did work. Picked up a 1st Phone in '62 w/o cracking a 
book, got a job at a tv station in '64 and stayed in broadcast 
engineering till the end, did the same in '72 for a CET. Wrote  my first 
program in '78 on an rca 1802, looking up the hex values in the 
programmers manual and entering them via a hex monitor of a Cosmac Super 
Elf.  15 years later that station was still using it. So my history 
might impress some of the frogs, but its certainly "eclectic". :) But 
now I've been retired for going on 13 years, and like McArther after 
Truman fired him, slowly fading away.  So I'll quit boring the rest of 
the list, and just say touche`.

> Cheers,
> David.

Cheers, Gene Heskett
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Re: xmodmap question

[Petter Adsen]

On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 20:56:39 -0700 (PDT)
Rusi Mody  wrote:

> On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 5:30:05 PM UTC+5:30, Petter Adsen wrote:
> > I've been playing with xmodmap to change the comma on the numpad
> > (Norwegian layout) to a period, as I mainly use the numpad for
> > entering IP addresses. According to the man page, section
> > "Expression Grammar", the first keysym is for the key with no
> > modifier, and a second is for the key with Shift as a modifier.
> > 
> > However, when I run 'xmodmap -e "keycode 91=period"', the key simply
> > "dies", it no longer outputs anything, although 'xmodmap -pk' lists
> > it as set to "period". If I run 'xmodmap -e "keycode 91=period
> > period"', it works just fine (although it also sets it with Shift,
> > but I don't mind that).
> > 
> > What am I doing wrong? Why can't I just change the keysym to be sent
> > without a modifier?
> 
> xmodmap is obsolete and increasingly broken in current distros.
> We are supposed to switch to setxkbmap.
> [I never said its better!]

Ye gods - I had seriously planned on staying away from that whole
mess :)

> I asked same question on emacs list and got this answer from Yuri Khan
> 
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/gnu.emacs.help/yesOU0m0vIE/TDUo7QZDPdkJ

Thank you, that was really informative. However, as xmodmap seems to
work just fine if I give it two parameters, I will just do that until
it breaks completely :)

Thanks again for the explanation!

Petter

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