Re: Upgrading Kernel - Out of Disk Space

[Curt]

On 2015-02-12, Reco  wrote:
>
> You're right in the case of conventional LVM. But OP is using an
> encrypted one, and resizing an encrypted LV is much more complex
> (it requires lvresize, cryptmount and resize2fs in the right sequence).
> It's presumably possible (never done it personally), but complex.
>

This is good to know. However I don't understand what you get for your
money using an encrypted *LVM* file system if the commodity of resizing
(or reallocation) is more or less removed from the picture.


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Re: Upgrading Kernel - Out of Disk Space

[Jochen Spieker]

Stephen R Guglielmo:
> 
> I updated my apt repo and there was a kernel update. I ran the update,
> and received an error claiming "no space left on device." Normally, I
> would do a force-uninstall for the currently running kernel (freeing
> space), then install the new kernel and reboot. However, this is an
> update, not a replacement.

Are you sure about that? And even if this is the case: you can still
uninstall the running kernel. I would be very surprised if the new
version uses >50MB more space in / than the old one.

> I'm not sure how to proceed. When I
> installed this system, I selected automatic partitioning with an
> encrypted LVM, so I imagine resizing the partition would prove
> difficult.

You just need to make sure to do things in the right order, top down.

It looks like you have one big encrypted LUKS container which holds one
PV, VG and several LVs. If this is the case you do not need to care
about LUKS because you only operate inside the container. But you would
need to show your /etc/crypttab and output of pvs, vgs, lvs.

> I'm not sure why the automatic partitioner didn't provide
> for enough space for future updates. See below for the relevant logs.

There's been several complaints about similar issues on this list. I am
not sure whether there were any recent changes in debian-installer to
solve that. Now there's still time to report bugs before jessie is
released.

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Re: Upgrading Kernel - Out of Disk Space

[Darac Marjal]

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 09:35:32AM +, Curt wrote:
> On 2015-02-12, Reco  wrote:
> >
> > You're right in the case of conventional LVM. But OP is using an
> > encrypted one, and resizing an encrypted LV is much more complex
> > (it requires lvresize, cryptmount and resize2fs in the right sequence).
> > It's presumably possible (never done it personally), but complex.
> >
> 
> This is good to know. However I don't understand what you get for your
> money using an encrypted *LVM* file system if the commodity of resizing
> (or reallocation) is more or less removed from the picture.

Using LVM-on-encryption means that you only need one key (one password)
to unlock the system. The alternative (encrypted LVs or partitions)
would mean separate keys for each file system and managing that would be
quite a task. So, while LVM can give you resizing, in this case it's
being used for it's partition-upon-a-partition capabilities.

> 
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Re: Upgrading Kernel - Out of Disk Space

[Jörg-Volker Peetz]

Taking a look into /lib/modules could tell if any older (possibly dispensible)
kernel versions are present on your system.

Regards,
jvp.



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Is there a way to undo web browser changing desktop manager

[Bret Busby]

Hello.

I am running Debian 6 LTS, with the GNOME Desktop Manager (if that is
what it is named).

I have three web browsers open; Arora, Konqueror and Rekonq.

Each of the web browsers, is used for different reasons.

None of them, appear to have provision for saving sessions.

In accessing a particular web site, which appears to use the malware
javascript, I tried with Konqueror, as the most stable of these web
browsers, and that would not open the web site, so I opened the web
site with Rekonq.

When the web page involved, opened, it cahnged the desktop GUI theme,
to some MS Windows like theme.

If, in trying to change the theme, I choose
Menu "System" -> Preferences -> Appearance,
I get

"
Unable to start the settings manager 'gnome-settings-daemon'.
Without the GNOME settings manager running, some preferences may not
take effect. This could indicate a problem with DBus, or a non-GNOME
(e.g. KDE) settings manager may already be active and conflicting with
the GNOME settings manager.
"

so I assume that Rekonq invoked the KDE desktop, and conflicted with
GNOME, and, prevented GNOME desktop functionality.

I had had the three web browsers running without any problems, before
opening the particular web site with Rekonq, with the previous GUI
theme, running okay.

As the three web browsers do not have provision for saving sessions,
if I shut them down, I lose the sessions.

Does a way exist, to kill the KDE GUI that was inflicted, and, return
to the previous GUI, without interfering with the applications that
are open?

And, does a way exist, to prevent applications such as individual web
browsers, from sabotahing the desktop manager settings?

This is a bit like an application saying ":Stuff it - I am bored with
Linux - I am switching to MS Windows".

Thank you in anticipation.

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Re: Upgrading Kernel - Out of Disk Space

[Lisi Reisz]

On Thursday 12 February 2015 09:46:35 Jochen Spieker wrote:
> > I'm not sure why the automatic partitioner didn't provide
> > for enough space for future updates. See below for the relevant logs.
>
> There's been several complaints about similar issues on this list. I am
> not sure whether there were any recent changes in debian-installer to
> solve that. Now there's still time to report bugs before jessie is
> released.

This has gone on for years, ever since I have installed Debian.  Someone (some 
people) among the debian-installer developers must, I think, regard it as a 
feature, not a bug.  It forced me into manual partitioning several versions 
back.  Before that, I used to solve the problem by partitioning with the 
PCLinuxOS installer before installing Debian.  At that time, I couldn't 
understand dedicated partitioners. ;-)

Lisi


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Re: Upgrading Kernel - Out of Disk Space

[David Baron]

On Thursday 12 February 2015 11:31:43 Lisi Reisz wrote:
> On Thursday 12 February 2015 09:46:35 Jochen Spieker wrote:
> > > I'm not sure why the automatic partitioner didn't provide
> > > for enough space for future updates. See below for the relevant logs.
> > 
> > There's been several complaints about similar issues on this list. I am
> > not sure whether there were any recent changes in debian-installer to
> > solve that. Now there's still time to report bugs before jessie is
> > released.
> 
> This has gone on for years, ever since I have installed Debian.  Someone
> (some people) among the debian-installer developers must, I think, regard
> it as a feature, not a bug.  It forced me into manual partitioning several
> versions back.  Before that, I used to solve the problem by partitioning
> with the PCLinuxOS installer before installing Debian.  At that time, I
> couldn't understand dedicated partitioners. ;-)
> 
> Lisi

Yeah, yeah. The partitioner provides ridiculous scheme.
I moved my root to another disk partition so I can keep more than one kernel.
Since the partitioner gave most all the 1 terra to /home, I have /opt and 
/usr/local bound to directories on that partition. Really absurd.


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mozilla / iceweasel and mailto: links

[Charles Blair]

   I use claws-mail for e-mail.  When I am running iceweasel/mozilla
and click on a mailto: link, no window for claws-mail is opened.


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Mount local NFS share on boot

[Laverne Schrock]

Hi folks,

I am running Jessie (amd64), and I have set up a backup system using
http://www.rsnapshot.org/howto/1.2/rsnapshot-HOWTO.en.html as a guide.
In particular, Section 7.2 describes how I've set up my system. (The
exception being that I opted to use "snapshots" instead of ".snapshots")

In summary...

/.private is readable and writable only to root
/.private/snapshots is the mountpoint for /dev/sdb1
 It is mounted on boot via an entry in /etc/fstab
 rsnapshot runs as root and creates backups in /.private/snapshot at
regular intervals.
/.private/snaphots is shared via NFS
 The entry in /etc/exports is as follows
 /.private/snapshots 127.0.0.1(ro,no_root_squash)
/snapshots is mounted via an entry in /etc/fstab as follows
 localhost:/.private/snapshots /snapshots nfs ro 0 0
 Users can browse and copy files from backups, but never change them.

This works fairly well; however, it adds large amount of time onto the
boot process. When booting up, I get a message that says "A start job is
running for /snapshots (10 sec / 1 min 30 sec)" The job never finishes
before the timer finishes and the boot process just waits until it is
done. Similarily, the system sits unresponsive for about 1 minute and 40
seconds during shutdown. If I comment out the NFS entry in /etc/fstab ,
shutdown takes about 8 seconds and boot up takes about 40 (ignoring
BIOS). If I add an entry for an NFS share located on a *different*
computer, the slowdown does not occur. If the NFS share is not
in /etc/fstab , manually mounting the share does not seem to result in
prolonged shutdown.

I'm primarily concerned with the boot speed at the moment, and it seems
like the issue is caused by the fact that the NFS server is not running
at the time when /etc/fstab is processed. Obviously, we *can't* start
the server that early, so I thought manually calling mount
from /etc/rc.local would do the trick.
'mount localhost:/.private/snapshots -o ro /snapshots'
This gives the impression of working, but when I try to view the
mountpoint contents I get the following error
ls: cannot open directory /snapshots: Stale file handle

So here is my question: What is the best way to automatically mount a
NFS share on the system acting as the server?

Thanks,
Laverne




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Re: Mount local NFS share on boot

[Reco]

 Hi.

On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 08:50:46 -0600
Laverne Schrock  wrote:

> So here is my question: What is the best way to automatically mount a
> NFS share on the system acting as the server?

Try using automount feature of systemd for NFS share. That way you'll
delay actual mounting of said filesystem until someone will actually
need the contents of NFS share.

http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.automount.html

Reco


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Re: Is there a way to undo web browser changing desktop manager

[Liam O'Toole]

On 2015-02-12, Bret Busby  wrote:
> Hello.
>
> I am running Debian 6 LTS, with the GNOME Desktop Manager (if that is
> what it is named).
>
> I have three web browsers open; Arora, Konqueror and Rekonq.
>
> Each of the web browsers, is used for different reasons.
>
> None of them, appear to have provision for saving sessions.
>
> In accessing a particular web site, which appears to use the malware
> javascript, I tried with Konqueror, as the most stable of these web
> browsers, and that would not open the web site, so I opened the web
> site with Rekonq.
>
> When the web page involved, opened, it cahnged the desktop GUI theme,
> to some MS Windows like theme.

That's very peculiar. Could you let us have the URL of the page, and
screenshots of you desktop before and after the event?

>
> If, in trying to change the theme, I choose
> Menu "System" -> Preferences -> Appearance,
> I get
>
> "
> Unable to start the settings manager 'gnome-settings-daemon'.
> Without the GNOME settings manager running, some preferences may not
> take effect. This could indicate a problem with DBus, or a non-GNOME
> (e.g. KDE) settings manager may already be active and conflicting with
> the GNOME settings manager.
> "
>
> so I assume that Rekonq invoked the KDE desktop, and conflicted with
> GNOME, and, prevented GNOME desktop functionality.
>
> I had had the three web browsers running without any problems, before
> opening the particular web site with Rekonq, with the previous GUI
> theme, running okay.
>
> As the three web browsers do not have provision for saving sessions,
> if I shut them down, I lose the sessions.
>
> Does a way exist, to kill the KDE GUI that was inflicted, and, return
> to the previous GUI, without interfering with the applications that
> are open?

Examine the output of the command 'ps x' before and after the event.
What new processes are there? Is gnome-session still running? What
happens if you try to kill the new processes, and start gnome-session if
necessary?

>
> And, does a way exist, to prevent applications such as individual web
> browsers, from sabotahing the desktop manager settings?

I'm surprised that this can happen at all.

>
> This is a bit like an application saying ":Stuff it - I am bored with
> Linux - I am switching to MS Windows".
>
> Thank you in anticipation.
>

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Re: Upgrading Kernel - Out of Disk Space

[Curt]

On 2015-02-12, Darac Marjal  wrote:
>
>> This is good to know. However I don't understand what you get for your
>> money using an encrypted *LVM* file system if the commodity of resizing
>> (or reallocation) is more or less removed from the picture.
>
> Using LVM-on-encryption means that you only need one key (one password)
> to unlock the system. The alternative (encrypted LVs or partitions)
> would mean separate keys for each file system and managing that would be
> quite a task. So, while LVM can give you resizing, in this case it's
> being used for it's partition-upon-a-partition capabilities.
>

I see.  Thank you.

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WANTED: Dual Band WIFI USB stick

[chymian]

hey,

I’m looking for an small/nano dualband WIFI USB stick which is natively 
supported by newer kernels?



after tinkering around with an edimax 7711MAC with an mediatek chip mt7610u 
without success, (neither edimax nor mediatek give support, or feel them self 
in charge to distribute driver-sources which actually compile without errors, 
and work), I’m giving up on these.

background: there are two Lenovo laptops, which would need to get 5GHz wlan. 
unfortuanatly, we can not use any internal card (intel-centrino), since lenovo 
patched there bios to allow only destinct FRU-numbers (>= 120€)


thanks for your suggestions.

günter


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Re: mozilla / iceweasel and mailto: links

[Brian]

On Thu 12 Feb 2015 at 08:41:00 -0600, Charles Blair wrote:

>I use claws-mail for e-mail.  When I am running iceweasel/mozilla
> and click on a mailto: link, no window for claws-mail is opened.

A script, mailto-claws:

  #!/bin/bash
  claws-mail --compose "$1"

Use the script for "mailto" in Preferences/Applications.


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Re: mozilla / iceweasel and mailto: links

[Andreas Rönnquist]

On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 08:41:00 -0600,
Charles Blair wrote:

>   I use claws-mail for e-mail.  When I am running iceweasel/mozilla
>and click on a mailto: link, no window for claws-mail is opened.
>
>

Which desktop environment? You might have forgotten what is called 
"Preferred Applications" in Xfce, or other desktop environments
equivalents:

http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/exo/preferred-applications

-- Andreas Rönnquist
mailingli...@gusnan.se
gus...@gusnan.se


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Re: mozilla / iceweasel and mailto: links

[Curt]

On 2015-02-12, Charles Blair  wrote:

>I use claws-mail for e-mail.  When I am running iceweasel/mozilla
> and click on a mailto: link, no window for claws-mail is opened.
>
>

In Preferences/Applications search 'mailto' as a Content Type and
there's a dropdown menu with choices for Actions where you can select
the mail client you wish to use.

Works that way here with my version of Iceweasel anywho.

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Re: mozilla / iceweasel and mailto: links

[Curt]

On 2015-02-12, Brian  wrote:
> On Thu 12 Feb 2015 at 08:41:00 -0600, Charles Blair wrote:
>
>>I use claws-mail for e-mail.  When I am running iceweasel/mozilla
>> and click on a mailto: link, no window for claws-mail is opened.
>
> A script, mailto-claws:
>
>   #!/bin/bash
>   claws-mail --compose "$1"
>
> Use the script for "mailto" in Preferences/Applications.
>

You're right, sorry, claws-mail being a terminal application (must the script
be executable? I guess so).


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Re: Upgrading Kernel - Out of Disk Space

[Joe]

On Wed, 11 Feb 2015 23:55:42 -0500
Gary Dale  wrote:

> On 11/02/15 10:01 PM, Stephen R Guglielmo wrote:
> > Hi list,
> >
> > I updated my apt repo and there was a kernel update. I ran the
> > update, and received an error claiming "no space left on device."
> > Normally, I would do a force-uninstall for the currently running
> > kernel (freeing space), then install the new kernel and reboot.
> > However, this is an update, not a replacement. I'm not sure how to
> > proceed. When I installed this system, I selected automatic
> > partitioning with an encrypted LVM, so I imagine resizing the
> > partition would prove difficult. I'm not sure why the automatic
> > partitioner didn't provide for enough space for future updates. See
> > below for the relevant logs. This is on Debian Jessie.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > ---
> > Preparing to
> > unpack .../linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64_3.16.7-ckt4-3_amd64.deb ...
> > Unpacking linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 (3.16.7-ckt4-3) over
> > (3.16.7-ckt2-1) ... dpkg: error processing
> > archive 
> > /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64_3.16.7-ckt4-3_amd64.deb
> > (--unpack): cannot copy extracted data for
> > './lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/scsi/lpfc/lpfc.ko' to
> > '/lib/modules/3.16.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/scsi/lpfc/lpfc.ko.dpkg-new':
> > failed to write (No space left on device) dpkg-deb: error:
> > subprocess paste was killed by signal (Broken pipe) Errors were
> > encountered while
> > processing: 
> > /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64_3.16.7-ckt4-3_amd64.deb
> > E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
> >
> > ---
> >
> > $ df -h
> > FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
> > /dev/mapper/lapsdeb-root  314M  237M   57M  81% /
> > udev   10M 0   10M   0% /dev
> > tmpfs 776M  8.8M  767M   2% /run
> > tmpfs 1.9G  4.0K  1.9G   1% /dev/shm
> > tmpfs 5.0M  4.0K  5.0M   1% /run/lock
> > tmpfs 1.9G 0  1.9G   0% /sys/fs/cgroup
> > /dev/mapper/lapsdeb-var   2.7G  318M  2.3G  13% /var
> > /dev/mapper/lapsdeb-usr   8.2G  2.6G  5.2G  34% /usr
> > /dev/mapper/lapsdeb-tmp   360M  2.1M  335M   1% /tmp
> > /dev/sda1 228M   21M  196M  10% /boot
> > /dev/mapper/lapsdeb-home  274G  8.5G  252G   4% /home
> > tmpfs 388M  4.0K  388M   1% /run/user/1000
> 
> That is an unusual file system. The out of space error is on your "/" 
> partition, which would also hold /lib where the modules are being 
> unpacked. I don't use LVM myself so I'm not familiar with it but I'm 
> guessing it's providing all the /dev/mapper devices.
> 
> The problem is that your / partition only has 314M allocated to it.
> This is ridiculously small. I understand people use LVM because it
> supposedly makes adding more space easier. Figure out how to use LVM
> to increase your / allocation to something more reasonable. 20G is
> what I would normally use as a minimum, with more for desktop use.
> 
> You've got 252G free on /home. Shifting some of that over to / would
> do wonders.
> 
> 

It was until fairly recently general practice to allocate a few hundred
MB to / if /usr and /var were separate. It's only in the last few years
that the size of /lib/modules has really exploded, and /usr now needs
(in practice) to physically live under /.

On a sid workstation with ~4000 packages installed including three
kernels, with everything except /home and /boot under /, I have the
following usage:

/boot  42M
/lib   0.55G
 /lib/modules 0.5G
/usr   7.65G
/var   1.87G
all /  11.1G

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Re: mozilla / iceweasel and mailto: links

[Brian]

On Thu 12 Feb 2015 at 17:42:56 +, Curt wrote:

> On 2015-02-12, Brian  wrote:
> > On Thu 12 Feb 2015 at 08:41:00 -0600, Charles Blair wrote:
> >
> >>I use claws-mail for e-mail.  When I am running iceweasel/mozilla
> >> and click on a mailto: link, no window for claws-mail is opened.
> >
> > A script, mailto-claws:
> >
> >   #!/bin/bash
> >   claws-mail --compose "$1"
> >
> > Use the script for "mailto" in Preferences/Applications.
> >
> 
> You're right, sorry, claws-mail being a terminal application (must the script
> be executable? I guess so).

Your guess is correct.

As for your suggestion in an another mail, it seems very sensible.
However, it does not work for me and I do not know why. Selecting
"Mail Reader" in Preferences/Applications looks like a good bet but
it does nothing. Even specifying /usr/bin/claws-mail has no effect.
Is a script really necessary when the options in Iceweasel seem so
clear-cut?

I use mutt, which provides /usr/lib/mutt/mailto-mutt. I adapted that
for the script I gave.


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Re: Upgrading Kernel - Out of Disk Space

[Stephen R Guglielmo]

On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 10:46:35 +0100
Jochen Spieker  wrote:
> Stephen R Guglielmo:
> > I'm not sure why the automatic partitioner didn't provide
> > for enough space for future updates. See below for the relevant
> > logs.
> 
> There's been several complaints about similar issues on this list. I
> am not sure whether there were any recent changes in debian-installer
> to solve that. Now there's still time to report bugs before jessie is
> released.

So it's recommended that I file a bug report regarding this? It's
obviously an issue to anyone who uses the encrypted auto-partition
option in d-i.


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Re: WANTED: Dual Band WIFI USB stick

[Robert Crawford]

This Ralink usb wireless adapter works with Debian. Just install ralink
chipset driver.

Here is the link.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/150M-USB-WiFi-Wireless-LAN-Adapter-Antenna-802-11b-g-n-ralink-rt5370-WIN7-XP-/121567605250?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c4dfe7202

I've used many of these, they always work great.

Robert

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:21 AM, chymian  wrote:

> hey,
>
> I’m looking for an small/nano dualband WIFI USB stick which is natively
> supported by newer kernels?
>
>
>
> after tinkering around with an edimax 7711MAC with an mediatek chip
> mt7610u without success, (neither edimax nor mediatek give support, or feel
> them self in charge to distribute driver-sources which actually compile
> without errors, and work), I’m giving up on these.
>
> background: there are two Lenovo laptops, which would need to get 5GHz
> wlan. unfortuanatly, we can not use any internal card (intel-centrino),
> since lenovo patched there bios to allow only destinct FRU-numbers (>= 120€)
>
>
> thanks for your suggestions.
>
> günter
>
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Re: Can't hibernate/suspend or play video

[david.wahlst...@gmail.com]

On Monday, February 9, 2015 at 12:50:04 PM UTC-8, JMB wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've been having a problem over the last couple months or so. 
> Periodically, something will happen and I will not be able to suspend or 
> hibernate my machine, and it's always accompanied with an inability to 
> play video (any attempts to play video - with vlc or mpv - ends up in 
> crashing or just black screens). I initially thought this had something 
> to do with an hourly TRIM script I was running, so I deleted it, but the 
> same issues occurred this morning. The symptoms are always cured by 
> simply restarting the machine but the sickness always comes back within 
> a few days or so. I have no idea what's causing this so if I can't find 
> out anything fruitful, the only solution I have so far is to simply 
> change or re-install my OS.
> 
> Some information on my machine:
> Thinkpad T420
> Linux kernel: 3.2.0-4-686-pae
> Debian version: Debian 3.2.65-1+deb7u1 i686 GNU/Linux
> 
> If you need any more information just ask and I'll try to provide it.
> Any advice or suggestions is much appreciated. Thank you.
> 
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This sound like a video card (driver) issue to me.  Are you able to SSH into 
the machine after you get a black screen?  Alternatively, have you checked 
/var/log/Xorg.0.log?


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/ and separate partitions (was) Re: Upgrading Kernel - Out of Disk Space

[Iain M Conochie]

It was until fairly recently general practice to allocate a few hundred
MB to / if /usr and /var were separate. It's only in the last few years
that the size of /lib/modules has really exploded, and /usr now needs
(in practice) to physically live under /.
I once tried to put /lib/modules under it's own partition. Needless to 
say, it broke horribly and the system was unable to boot.
Having said that, with >100GB disks common now, the fallacy that, just 
because you cannot have a sub 1G / filesystem, that you have to place 
/usr onto that partition, is annoying. In fact, the whole /usr merge to 
me is annoying. If we do not _need_ /usr, why have it in the first 
place? Why have this separate directory that you should no longer split 
off onto a separate partition? Just have everything in /


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Re: Re: mozilla / iceweasel and mailto: links

[Charles Blair]

I tinkered with "Preferences/Applications".  Did not
do anything about a special kind of Preference.  If
this message gets posted, the thing worked :)

   If so, thanks!


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Re: Re: mozilla / iceweasel and mailto: links

[Brian]

On Thu 12 Feb 2015 at 18:01:48 -0600, Charles Blair wrote:

> I tinkered with "Preferences/Applications".  Did not
> do anything about a special kind of Preference.  If
> this message gets posted, the thing worked :)
> 
>If so, thanks!

We would have guess what form your tinkering took. :)

For anyone looking to do the same as you Curt's suggestion works well.
The reason it apparently didn't work for me is that the machine I tested
on has claws-mail running all the time and the compose a mail window
came up behind the iceweasel window.

A silly observational mistake on my part.


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test

[Jack Chuge]

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about installing Java

[Jack Chuge]

I want to install the latest version of Java on my debian desktop. Is
there any quick way like using a terminal command? Though, I think
debian is the most stable Linux distro I've ever used so far, on the
other hand, I'm a newby to it. Any support is appreciated.
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Re: about installing Java

[Chris Fisichella]

Quoting Jack Chuge :


I want to install the latest version of Java on my debian desktop. Is
there any quick way like using a terminal command? Though, I think
debian is the most stable Linux distro I've ever used so far, on the
other hand, I'm a newby to it. Any support is appreciated.
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Hi Jack,

This is hardly a let-me-google-this-for-you question. But, I did a  
little googling and arrived at this website which is what I would use  
if I wanted the latest Java on my machine:


http://www.webupd8.org/2014/03/how-to-install-oracle-java-8-in-debian.html

They say to run the following:

su -
echo "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu trusty  
main" | tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/webupd8team-java.list
echo "deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu trusty  
main" | tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/webupd8team-java.list

apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 --recv-keys EEA14886
apt-get update
apt-get install oracle-java8-installer
exit



I hope you have root access to your machine. The instructions imply its use.

HTH,
Chris


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Re: about installing Java

[Cindy-Sue Causey]

On 2/12/15, Chris Fisichella  wrote:
> Quoting Jack Chuge :
>
>> I want to install the latest version of Java on my debian desktop. Is
>> there any quick way like using a terminal command? Though, I think
>> debian is the most stable Linux distro I've ever used so far, on the
>> other hand, I'm a newby to it. Any support is appreciated.
>> --
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>
> This is hardly a let-me-google-this-for-you question. But, I did a
> little googling and arrived at this website which is what I would use
> if I wanted the latest Java on my machine:
>
> http://www.webupd8.org/2014/03/how-to-install-oracle-java-8-in-debian.html
>
> They say to run the following:
> 
> su -
> echo "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu trusty
> main" | tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/webupd8team-java.list
> echo "deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu trusty
> main" | tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/webupd8team-java.list
> apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 --recv-keys EEA14886
> apt-get update
> apt-get install oracle-java8-installer
> exit
> 
>
> I hope you have root access to your machine. The instructions imply its
> use.


Don't do anything for a few minutes if you haven't already. Trusty
*sounds like* Ubuntu. If you're using Ubuntu then cool, personal
*_CHOICE_* and you're good to go, but If you're using Debian from
Debian.org, you start mixing things in together. It's both the name
"Trusty" and that... ppa thing that is throwing up the flags for me.

I'm going to try to *quickly* look this up. If someone else sees this
before I get back, maybe they could confirm or diss me on it that I'm
well meaning but on the wrong track. :))

What I'm looking at is to take Chris' find and just replace it with a
Debian repository.. :)

Cindy :)

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javascript:void(0)

[Gene Heskett]

Greetings;

Is there any way to get rid of all these boring screen decorations saying 
javascipt doesn't work?

There are quite a few javascript "engines" installed, but I haven't 
managed to find that Magic Twanger yet.

Is this a conscious effort to get rid of javascript?  Or can it be fixed 
with additional packages installed?

Thanks all.

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Re: about installing Java

[Cindy-Sue Causey]

On 2/12/15, Cindy-Sue Causey  wrote:
> On 2/12/15, Chris Fisichella  wrote:
>>
>> http://www.webupd8.org/2014/03/how-to-install-oracle-java-8-in-debian.html
>>
>> They say to run the following:
>> 
>> su -
>> echo "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu trusty
>> main" | tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/webupd8team-java.list
>> echo "deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu trusty
>> main" | tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/webupd8team-java.list
>> apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 --recv-keys
>> EEA14886
>> apt-get update
>> apt-get install oracle-java8-installer
>> exit
>> 
>>
>
> Don't do anything for a few minutes if you haven't already. Trusty
> *sounds like* Ubuntu. If you're using Ubuntu then cool, personal
> *_CHOICE_* and you're good to go, but If you're using Debian from
> Debian.org, you start mixing things in together. It's both the name
> "Trusty" and that... ppa thing that is throwing up the flags for me.
>
> I'm going to try to *quickly* look this up. If someone else sees this
> before I get back, maybe they could confirm or diss me on it that I'm
> well meaning but on the wrong track. :))
>
> What I'm looking at is to take Chris' find and just replace it with a
> Debian repository.. :)


Now in hindsight, one logical question to ask is.. what do you need
your java to do? Just for surfing and for developing or...? That kind
of thing...

Now to what I found... Definitely out of my element here, but some
things are seeming familiar. There's the whole doing Debian and only
Debian if possible *IF* that is your style. For that, I've seen
references to openjdk-*-* packages. The reason I can tell you that
with confidence is because I just tried:

$ apt-cache search java

and several packages beginning with "openjdk" came back in that
command's MASSIVE output. I only use one single package repository
(source) right now so that tells me its all Debian that the "apt-cache
search" query is kicking back.

Just as example, I ran what I can find installed in my own setup right
now. That's "openjdk-7-jre". I performed the following command
(because I know it will tell me at least a little about that package):

$ dpkg -s openjdk-7-jre

Part of that command's (very cool) output says:

"Provides: java-runtime, java2-runtime, java5-runtime, java6-runtime,
java7-runtime"

Everyone's needs differ so that might not fit exactly what you're
looking for, BUT it does contain the word "java" a few times. Maybe
that will at least help you narrow down what you're looking for WHILE
still being able to stay truer specifically to actual Debian.

And that's, again, *IF* Debian is in fact what you have installed as
your operating system and not one of its many derivatives/offshoots
such as Ubuntu. If you *are* working out of a derivative (such as
Ubuntu), you do need to see what that derivative offers in its own
repositories because you never know what might have been changed to
function properly. Speaking firsthand, a system's stability begins
spiraling downward as soon as you (innocently) start picking from too
many different systems' resources.

Hope that helps at least a little.. :)

Cindy :)

PS packages.debian.org is a smarty pants. In response to my search
query on "java", it said: "Your keyword was too generic," to which I
most respectfully reply..

"Byte me."

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Re: about installing Java

[Jack Chuge]

Chris Fisichella 於 2015-2-13 9:50 寫道:

Quoting Jack Chuge :


I want to install the latest version of Java on my debian desktop. Is
there any quick way like using a terminal command? Though, I think
debian is the most stable Linux distro I've ever used so far, on the
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Hi Jack,

This is hardly a let-me-google-this-for-you question. But, I did a
little googling and arrived at this website which is what I would use if
I wanted the latest Java on my machine:

http://www.webupd8.org/2014/03/how-to-install-oracle-java-8-in-debian.html

They say to run the following:

su -
echo "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu trusty main"
| tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/webupd8team-java.list
echo "deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu trusty
main" | tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/webupd8team-java.list
apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 --recv-keys EEA14886
apt-get update
apt-get install oracle-java8-installer
exit



I hope you have root access to your machine. The instructions imply its
use.

HTH,
Chris


It seems it's not allowed sudo instead of su for calling root 
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Re: about installing Java

[Chris Fisichella]

Quoting Jack Chuge :


Chris Fisichella 於 2015-2-13 9:50 寫道:

Quoting Jack Chuge :


I want to install the latest version of Java on my debian desktop. Is
there any quick way like using a terminal command? Though, I think
debian is the most stable Linux distro I've ever used so far, on the
other hand, I'm a newby to it. Any support is appreciated.
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Hi Jack,

This is hardly a let-me-google-this-for-you question. But, I did a
little googling and arrived at this website which is what I would use if
I wanted the latest Java on my machine:

http://www.webupd8.org/2014/03/how-to-install-oracle-java-8-in-debian.html

They say to run the following:

su -
echo "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu trusty main"
| tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/webupd8team-java.list
echo "deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu trusty
main" | tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/webupd8team-java.list
apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 --recv-keys EEA14886
apt-get update
apt-get install oracle-java8-installer
exit



I hope you have root access to your machine. The instructions imply its
use.

HTH,
Chris



It seems it's not allowed sudo instead of su for calling root
permission. Sadly, I've not setup a su password. How to fix it?
Thank you.

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Hi Jack,

With Cindy's cautions in mind, I'll let you know how I would continue
on this path. With no su access, have an administrator edit the
following file:

/etc/apt/sources.list

Add the following lines:
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu trusty main
deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu trusty main

save that file and at the root prompt, have them execute
the apt-key command that is listed up there, then run the two
following apt commands.

You wrote you have not setup su access, so I am assuming you otherwise
have root access. If you don't have root access, then I would try to
compile from sources. That is not always a straight-forward process.

HTH,
Chris



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Re: about installing Java

[Jack Chuge]

Jack Chuge 於 2015-2-13 11:40 寫道:

Chris Fisichella 於 2015-2-13 9:50 寫道:

Quoting Jack Chuge :


I want to install the latest version of Java on my debian desktop. Is
there any quick way like using a terminal command? Though, I think
debian is the most stable Linux distro I've ever used so far, on the
other hand, I'm a newby to it. Any support is appreciated.
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Hi Jack,

This is hardly a let-me-google-this-for-you question. But, I did a
little googling and arrived at this website which is what I would use if
I wanted the latest Java on my machine:

http://www.webupd8.org/2014/03/how-to-install-oracle-java-8-in-debian.html


They say to run the following:

su -
echo "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu trusty main"
| tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/webupd8team-java.list
echo "deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu trusty
main" | tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/webupd8team-java.list
apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 --recv-keys
EEA14886
apt-get update
apt-get install oracle-java8-installer
exit



I hope you have root access to your machine. The instructions imply its
use.

HTH,
Chris



It seems it's not allowed sudo instead of su for calling root
permission. Sadly, I've not setup a su password. How to fix it? Thank you.

Finally, I typed sudo before the code every time and it proceeded 
successfully until the last line code proceeding. It said: Can't locate 
the packages of oracla-java8-installer. Where occurs errors?


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Re: about installing Java

[Jack Chuge]

Cindy-Sue Causey 於 2015-2-13 11:20 寫道:

On 2/12/15, Cindy-Sue Causey  wrote:

On 2/12/15, Chris Fisichella  wrote:


http://www.webupd8.org/2014/03/how-to-install-oracle-java-8-in-debian.html

They say to run the following:

su -
echo "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu trusty
main" | tee /etc/apt/sources.list.d/webupd8team-java.list
echo "deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/webupd8team/java/ubuntu trusty
main" | tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/webupd8team-java.list
apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 --recv-keys
EEA14886
apt-get update
apt-get install oracle-java8-installer
exit




Don't do anything for a few minutes if you haven't already. Trusty
*sounds like* Ubuntu. If you're using Ubuntu then cool, personal
*_CHOICE_* and you're good to go, but If you're using Debian from
Debian.org, you start mixing things in together. It's both the name
"Trusty" and that... ppa thing that is throwing up the flags for me.

I'm going to try to *quickly* look this up. If someone else sees this
before I get back, maybe they could confirm or diss me on it that I'm
well meaning but on the wrong track. :))

What I'm looking at is to take Chris' find and just replace it with a
Debian repository.. :)



Now in hindsight, one logical question to ask is.. what do you need
your java to do? Just for surfing and for developing or...? That kind
of thing...

Now to what I found... Definitely out of my element here, but some
things are seeming familiar. There's the whole doing Debian and only
Debian if possible *IF* that is your style. For that, I've seen
references to openjdk-*-* packages. The reason I can tell you that
with confidence is because I just tried:

$ apt-cache search java

and several packages beginning with "openjdk" came back in that
command's MASSIVE output. I only use one single package repository
(source) right now so that tells me its all Debian that the "apt-cache
search" query is kicking back.

Just as example, I ran what I can find installed in my own setup right
now. That's "openjdk-7-jre". I performed the following command
(because I know it will tell me at least a little about that package):

$ dpkg -s openjdk-7-jre

Part of that command's (very cool) output says:

"Provides: java-runtime, java2-runtime, java5-runtime, java6-runtime,
java7-runtime"

Everyone's needs differ so that might not fit exactly what you're
looking for, BUT it does contain the word "java" a few times. Maybe
that will at least help you narrow down what you're looking for WHILE
still being able to stay truer specifically to actual Debian.

And that's, again, *IF* Debian is in fact what you have installed as
your operating system and not one of its many derivatives/offshoots
such as Ubuntu. If you *are* working out of a derivative (such as
Ubuntu), you do need to see what that derivative offers in its own
repositories because you never know what might have been changed to
function properly. Speaking firsthand, a system's stability begins
spiraling downward as soon as you (innocently) start picking from too
many different systems' resources.

Hope that helps at least a little.. :)

Cindy :)

PS packages.debian.org is a smarty pants. In response to my search
query on "java", it said: "Your keyword was too generic," to which I
most respectfully reply..

"Byte me."

I know it means nothing to me until I want to install CGoban, a go 
client been maintaining by kgs(www.gokgs.com). And I found my debian 
pre-installed a java version of 1.6.0, seems odd for ever.


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Re: Re: incomplete update(?) trashed my system

[Charles Blair]

   Thanks for all previous suggestions.

   An "updates available" message resulted in an update that
stopped in the middle because of insufficient space.  This has
left me with a system in which character-based programs are working,
but any attempt to use a program that tries to open an X-window
leads to a screen with a cartoon of a frowning monitor and a
message that my system has had to be stopped for its own good.

   I ran apt-get clean, which seems to have reduced the space
used by /var (see output below).  However, what can I do about
/root ?  Attempts to run claws-mail and mozilla/iceweasel
produce the frowning-monitor message.

   After I get sufficient disk space, is there something simple
I can do to resume the updating operation that started the problem?

Output from df:

Filesystem   1K-blocksUsed Available Use% Mounted on
rootfs  330215  239930 73236  77% /
udev 10240   0 10240   0% /dev
tmpfs   400736 692400044   1% /run
/dev/disk/by-uuid/  330215  239930 73236  77% /
0923b264-3863-4302-b3a3-23fd36f4ab8e
tmpfs5120   0  5120   0% /run/lock
tmpfs 2457460   0   2457460   0% /run/shm
/dev/sda10  176581224 1258652 166352744   1% /home
/dev/sda9  376807   10265347086   3% /tmp
/dev/sda6 8649992 5981124   2229472  73% /usr
/dev/sda7 2882592  433004   2303156  16% /var

Output from running du --maxdepth 1 in /root:

21  ./.pki
891 ./.gstreamer-0.10
16799   ./.mozilla
4   ./.pulse
1   ./Pictures
26229   ./.cache
11  ./.gconf
1   ./Music
4   ./.dbus
1504./.config
52  ./.gnupg
1   ./Downloads
3   ./.mission-control
279 ./.local
428 ./.gimp-2.8
1   ./Templates
1   ./Videos
28  ./.gnash
48  ./.scid
1   ./Desktop
24641   ./.claws-mail
1   ./Public
3   ./.gnome2
11  ./.aptitude
8   ./.thumbnails
2   ./.emacs.d
1   ./.gvfs
1   ./Documents
1   ./.gnome2_private
55  ./.texmf-var
71286   .

Output from df -i :

Filesystem Inodes  IUsedIFree IUse% Mounted on
rootfs  85344   876876576   11% /
udev   499395462   4989331% /dev
tmpfs  500915454   5004611% /run
/dev/disk/by-uuid/  85344   876876576   11% /
0923b264-3863-4302-b3a3-23fd36f4ab8e
tmpfs  500915  1   5009141% /run/lock
tmpfs  500915  2   5009131% /run/shm
/dev/sda101214848   5285 112095631% /home
/dev/sda9   97536 16975201% /tmp
/dev/sda6  549440 248502   300938   46% /usr
/dev/sda7  183264   9613   1736516% /var


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Re: about installing Java

[Andrew McGlashan]

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On 13/02/2015 2:52 PM, Jack Chuge wrote:
> I know it means nothing to me until I want to install CGoban, a go
> client been maintaining by kgs(www.gokgs.com). And I found my debian
> pre-installed a java version of 1.6.0, seems odd for ever.

Keep in mind that Java for many means "Just another vulnerability
announcement" ... ymmv.

If you don't need Java, don't install it, it's not worth it.

If you DO need it, be very careful how you use it and perhaps in a
sandbox type environment such as a VM where it can do less damage.

Cheers
A.

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Re: Is there a way to undo web browser changing desktop manager

[Bret Busby]

On 12/02/2015, Liam O'Toole  wrote:
> On 2015-02-12, Bret Busby  wrote:
>> Hello.
>>
>> I am running Debian 6 LTS, with the GNOME Desktop Manager (if that is
>> what it is named).
>>
>> I have three web browsers open; Arora, Konqueror and Rekonq.
>>
>> Each of the web browsers, is used for different reasons.
>>
>> None of them, appear to have provision for saving sessions.
>>
>> In accessing a particular web site, which appears to use the malware
>> javascript, I tried with Konqueror, as the most stable of these web
>> browsers, and that would not open the web site, so I opened the web
>> site with Rekonq.
>>
>> When the web page involved, opened, it cahnged the desktop GUI theme,
>> to some MS Windows like theme.
>
> That's very peculiar. Could you let us have the URL of the page, and
> screenshots of you desktop before and after the event?
>

I have booted my other Debian 6 LTS system, to try to do what you
want, with the "before and after"  things, but the Rekonq on the othe
system, behave differently, and refuses to accept changes to the
Rekonq settings, instead imposing some crap "speed dial" interface,
like the crappy Opera "speed dial" interface, that sits there, trying
to load. I can not change the settings in Rekonq, on that system, to
force it to open tabs with a blank page.

So, as the system (Debain 6 LTS) is incapable of having consistemt
interfaces across different systems, I will have to wait until the
next time that I have a system crash on this system, before providing
the "before and after" stuff, providing that, when the system crashes,
it goes back to the way that it was before the web browser changed the
GUI.

Oh, if only Debian 6 had ascended from the experimental status, and
had been made stable...

-- 
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
..

"So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
 Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
 "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
 A Trilogy In Four Parts",
 written by Douglas Adams,
 published by Pan Books, 1992




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Re: about installing Java

[Dalios]

On 02/13/2015 05:54 AM, Jack Chuge wrote:
> Jack Chuge 於 2015-2-13 11:40 寫道:
snip
> Finally, I typed sudo before the code every time and it proceeded 
> successfully until the last line code proceeding. It said: Can't locate 
> the packages of oracla-java8-installer. Where occurs errors?
> 

This might be typo: "oracla" instead of "oracle"...

Dalios


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