Re: New 64bit Installation. Root partition too small--what to do?
On Thursday 24 July 2014 22:49:01 debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org wrote: > Going by the subject, I'd say "wipe your system drive and do another > install, using what you have learned to do it better." > > > A better option is to install onto a spare drive, so that you can boot > the old drive in case you forgot something. The old drive then becomes > your spare for the next go-around. > > > Yes, indeed. I previously complained about its partitioning with little > > capability to revise it! (I did not use LVM because it put everything in > > one big physical partition which I also did not like.) > > I use the "manual" partitioning option in the Debian installer. > > > I have a SOHO with several Wheezy Xfce machines. I don't use LVM, ZFS, > RAID, etc., because my needs don't require them, and because I've found > that the administrative complexities outweigh the operational benefits. > > > So, want to install a more recent kernel? No room. > > That means the partition containing /boot is full, or nearly so. You > need to allocate more space to /boot and/or / (root) when you re-install. > > > My system drives are partitioned as follows. I don't need to save core > dumps in swap, so it is smaller than RAM. I tried running without swap, > but my machines crashed under heavy RAM loads: > > primary #1 - 0.5 GB bootable ext4 /boot > primary #2 - 0.5 GB random encrypted swap > primary #3 - 8.0 GB encrypted ext4 / > > > My bulk data fits on one encrypted ext4 drive, which is in one machine > and is shared via Samba. The same drive and machine also provides > Approx and CVS services. My backups, archives, and system images are on > various encrypted ext4 drives that I can plug into any machine (via > mobile docks/ caddies and/or external drives). I keep my desktop very > light and install Xfce on all the machines, so I can move my desktop to > another machine easily. This is very good and sound advice, actually. Problem is, I tried selecting manual partitioning on the install and saw no interface to actually do it. (If I set up partitions beforehand, will the installation simply respect them?) Another alternative: First, to do the above or anything else with the older 1- terra. I need to thoroughly test it, do something about the bad spot if it is still around after formatting. Once I know I can use this drive, I can reinstall to it or ... Move the too-small root partition to a reasonable primary on this drive. Can have a separate boot is desirable, maybe in the former / which is all of 325meg--yuk! I can make other partitions for /opt or anything else which is getting full-up. Moving stuff and changing fstab is no problem. Question: How do I tell grub about new /, new /boot, etc.?? Seems to be mostly automatic with little documentation. Or do I go back to lilo which I at least know how to configure :-)? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/39067878.UhjSdYYNyu@dovidhalevi
Re: Desktop sharing question
On Jo, 24 iul 14, 10:36:47, Nelson Green wrote: > Good morning all, > > I have a new, novice Debian user running the XFCE desktop on his PC. I > would like to be able to share his desktop to me so that I can see > what he is seeing and offer instruction and advice. I have used VNC to > connect to a different X screens, but I'm not sure how to arrange > things so that we can both see the same screen a the same time. I'm > not necessarily interested in being able to control his session, just > to see what he sees. Would someone mind pointing me towards some > learning material regarding how to do this? apt-cache show x11vnc Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
kernel errors present - how to resolve them please?
Every day the following appears in my logwatch email --8<---cut here---start->8--- WARNING: Kernel Errors Present EXT4-fs (sde1): error count: 1 ...: 1 Time(s) EXT4-fs (sde1): initial error at 1397381477: _ ...: 1 Time(s) EXT4-fs (sde1): last error at 1397381477: _ ...: 1 Time(s) --8<---cut here---end--->8--- sde1 is an external usb drive formatted ext4 which is rather important as it is my backup drive. How should I resolve this situation please? Thanks Sharon. -- A taste of linux = http://www.sharons.org.uk my git repo = https://bitbucket.org/boudiccas/dots TGmeds = http://www.tgmeds.org.uk Debian testing, fluxbox 1.3.5, emacs 24.3.92.1 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: PARTIALLY SOLVED: no display manager for 3 days
On Vi, 25 iul 14, 01:00:36, Alan Simpson-Vlach wrote: > > As suggested, I did the following: > > + deleted the proprietary nvidia glx libs > + deleted /etc/X11/xorg.conf > + installed xserver-xorg-video-nouveau > > But now I can only get 1024x768 resolution; > I have for several years been running 1600x1200 using Debian on this monitor > and video card. Please attach your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: systemd support for init level use case
On Jo, 24 iul 14, 19:44:20, Gregory Seidman wrote: > I'm on stable, but I'm reading the threads about systemd and I want to be > prepared for the next stable release. I run a RAID1 with an encryption loop > and LVM on top of that for my home directories and a number of data volumes > (i.e. nothing system-critical like /usr or /var). > > I boot into init level 2, which does not bring up the RAID, much less > encryption, LVM, or mounted filesystems. I then log in as root on the > console and run a script to bring up the additional filesystems, > particularly the encryption. This requires interaction to supply the > password. Once the filesystems are mounted, the script runs /sbin/telinit 3 > to start additional services which depend on those filesystems (apache2, > exim4, fetchmail, etc.). Well, systemd natively works with "targets" (see systemd.target(5)). For backwards compatibility it provides these symlinks: $ ls -l /lib/systemd/system/runlevel?.target lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 iul 16 02:25 /lib/systemd/system/runlevel0.target -> poweroff.target lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 iul 16 02:25 /lib/systemd/system/runlevel1.target -> rescue.target lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 iul 16 02:25 /lib/systemd/system/runlevel2.target -> multi-user.target lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 iul 16 02:25 /lib/systemd/system/runlevel3.target -> multi-user.target lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 iul 16 02:25 /lib/systemd/system/runlevel4.target -> multi-user.target lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 iul 16 02:25 /lib/systemd/system/runlevel5.target -> graphical.target lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 iul 16 02:25 /lib/systemd/system/runlevel6.target -> reboot.target > I don't always want to bring everything up, and I certainly don't want boot > to hang on user input waiting for the encryption password. Does systemd > have some init level equivalent? Should I be modeling my script as several > custom systemd services (which are not automatically started), including > some virtual service that depends on all the ones I'm currently bringing up > as init level 3? It might be possible to integrate your scripts with systemd, but on such occasions I take the time to rethink my setup to use the native methods provided by the new system. Based on the few things I know about systemd I'd say you need one or several mount units (see systemd.unit(5), systemd.mount(5)) that do all stuff needed to bring up the additional filesystems. For the services (apache, exim, etc.) you will need to adjust the service units (see systemd.service(5)) to depend on your mount units. As far as I understand you just need to create files under /etc/systemd/system/ with just the additions you need and then include the package provided unit file. In order to bring up everything with just one command you might also need to create your own target. Hope this helps, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
[SOLVED] Re: missing LSB tags and overrides
On 24/07/14 16:34, Darac Marjal wrote: > On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 03:07:37PM +0100, Steve Kemp wrote: >> On Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 14:40:14 +0100, Brian wrote: >> > All this, of course, assumes the OP doesn't want to use the previously > mentioned suggestion of "aptitude purge '~c'". And that's fair enough; > aptitude is not to everyone's taste. > As the OP, I don't recall seeing any previous suggestion of aptitude purge ~c. But, no matter, I'm quite happy using aptitude, I just don't know much about it. But then I feel somewhat ill-informed about any of the packaging commands, and tend to stick with synaptic, which is no good on a headless server. I guess there must be beginner-level documentation about for the packaging system, but I've not seen it. The plethora of commands doesn't help. So, I applied that incantation (after trying it with the -s option first :), and it went through its paces overnight. Unlikely to be coincidental, mysql server ceased to be responsive, but a service restart fixed that. So, Darac, Thank you again for your most insightful help; I'm not sure I would have got there without it. And I learned a tiny bit more about the packaging commands ;) Cheers! -- Tony van der Hoff | mailto:t...@vanderhoff.org Ariège, France | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53d20cbe.4090...@vanderhoff.org
Re: tune2fs: last write time is weeks or even months ago, moreover before last reboot
Le vendredi 25 juillet 2014 à 00:27:30 +0200, Linux-Fan a écrit: > On 07/24/2014 03:44 PM, David Guyot wrote: > If it is a Hitachi, the raw read error rate can switch between 0, 1, and > the 2^16 without the disk being faulty. My only Hitachi disk also does > this and works quite well. I also remember seeing some blog/article on > the Internet explaining this behaviour but I do not currently find it. > > Considering the rest of your issues, I do not know, but the slowness is > definitely a bad sign. Is a simple reboot an option? > Thanks for your answer, Linux-Fan. In fact, hard drives are Toshiba, not Hitachi, but the problem may be the same. I considered a reboot with a forced all-FS check, but the slowness is so considerable that I'm afraid to stop hosted websites for hours if FS checks are as slow as standard I/O ; in addition, as our servers are rented and not physically accessible, we won't be able to monitor e2fsck to see its progress or potential problems. In fact, that's partly why I asked advices here: to avoid this potentially problematic full FS check as long as I can find other solutions. I'll try to find this article you quoted, maybe I will find some infos applying to my problem. Meanwhile, thanks for your help; if you have other details, I'm interested. Regards. -- David Guyot Administrateur système, réseau et télécommunications / Sysadmin Europe Camions Interactive / Stockway Moulin Collot F-88500 Ambacourt Tel: +33 (0)3 29 30 47 85 Fax : +33 (0)3 29 31 31 31 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: exact name of headers for 3.14-1-486
On 24/07/14 22:36, Harry Putnam wrote: > Klaus writes: >> >> $ apt-cache show linux-headers-3.14-1-486 >> > Thanks, but as my earlier post shows ... I do have that installed > That misses the point ;-) Besides, you explicitly asked which of your installed pkgs is the correct one... For future trouble shooting it will help you to know how to find information for yourself. Did you for instance now go back and check what the other automatically installed "linux-header" pkgs are for (i.e. those that were pulled in by you installing linux-headers-3.14-1-all-i386) ? This time it probably didn't do much harm, but the more you clutter up your system with unwanted stuff the harder it might become to support it in the future. -- Klaus -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53d218e2.9030...@gmail.com
Re: [Wheezy] [networking] post-up NOT executed
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 08:41:50PM +0200, Mickael MONSIEUR wrote: >Hi, >I have a fresh installation of Debian Wheezy 7.6.0 amd64. >The post-up line does not execute when eth0 is mounted! >(by against my eth0 interface is mounted!) >I have to mount routes, and are not: >post-up /sbin/route add 1.2.3.4 dev eth0 You probably don't need the path there. "route" should be sufficient. Alternatively, try "ip route add 1.2.3.4/32 dev eth0". >simple test: >post-up touch /tmp/test >reboot (...) >cat /tmp/test >cat: /tmp/1: No such file or directory Is there a reason that cat is complaining about a different filename? >Have you ever had this problem? >I find nothing in dmesg and syslog! Try "ifdown eth0; ifup -v eth0" when your system is up and running to see what's happening. >With Kind Regards, >Mickael Monsieur signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: exact name of headers for 3.14-1-486
On 2014-07-24, Harry Putnam wrote: > > I can't find anything under that name. Or even just searching on > virtualbox > Oops. Sorry. Not available in jessie. How 'bout just good old dkms like the other guy said? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnlt46fe.2cv.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: tune2fs: last write time is weeks or even months ago, moreover before last reboot
Which version of package e2fsprogs are you using? -- Regards, jvp. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/lqt6gs$mgb$1...@ger.gmane.org
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Re: New 64bit Installation. Root partition too small--what to do?
On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 10:04:18 +0300 David Baron wrote: > On Thursday 24 July 2014 22:49:01 > debian-user-digest-requ...@lists.debian.org wrote: > > Going by the subject, I'd say "wipe your system drive and do > > another install, using what you have learned to do it better." > > > > > > A better option is to install onto a spare drive, so that you can > > boot the old drive in case you forgot something. The old drive > > then becomes your spare for the next go-around. > > > > > Yes, indeed. I previously complained about its partitioning with > > > little capability to revise it! (I did not use LVM because it > > > put everything in one big physical partition which I also did not > > > like.) > > > > I use the "manual" partitioning option in the Debian installer. > > > > > > I have a SOHO with several Wheezy Xfce machines. I don't use LVM, > > ZFS, RAID, etc., because my needs don't require them, and because > > I've found that the administrative complexities outweigh the > > operational benefits. > > > > > So, want to install a more recent kernel? No room. > > > > That means the partition containing /boot is full, or nearly so. > > You need to allocate more space to /boot and/or / (root) when you > > re-install. It's actually /lib/modules that takes up the space, and of course this has to be under / for booting. I have a server in this position, which had an adequately-sized / and separate /usr and /var when installed. 350MB used to be more than enough for a / which didn't contain /home, /usr or /var. I don't normally keep more than one previous kernel around, but there have been occasions where I have wanted to. I understand now that a separate /usr is a no-no, unless I want to add even more complication to grub2 (see below), so sizing / won't be an issue in future. > > > > > > My system drives are partitioned as follows. I don't need to save > > core dumps in swap, so it is smaller than RAM. I tried running > > without swap, but my machines crashed under heavy RAM loads: > > > > primary #1 - 0.5 GB bootable ext4 /boot > > primary #2 - 0.5 GB random encrypted swap > > primary #3 - 8.0 GB encrypted ext4 / > > > > > > My bulk data fits on one encrypted ext4 drive, which is in one > > machine and is shared via Samba. The same drive and machine also > > provides Approx and CVS services. My backups, archives, and system > > images are on various encrypted ext4 drives that I can plug into > > any machine (via mobile docks/ caddies and/or external drives). I > > keep my desktop very light and install Xfce on all the machines, so > > I can move my desktop to another machine easily. > > This is very good and sound advice, actually. Problem is, I tried > selecting manual partitioning on the install and saw no interface to > actually do it. (If I set up partitions beforehand, will the > installation simply respect them?) Yes, either way will work, you need to get the hang of the drive allocation part of the installer, which isn't quite intuitive enough. Basically, it shows you the existing partitions and you have the option to allocate mount points, delete them, make new ones etc. If you're familiar with (*)fdisk or parted, make the partitions with it and then allocate the mount points in the installer. > > Question: How do I tell grub about new /, new /boot, etc.?? Seems to > be mostly automatic with little documentation. Or do I go back to > lilo which I at least know how to configure :-)? > > If you're reinstalling, you specify the mount points at the partitioning stage, and you just tell the installer where you want the boot code, which is normally the MBR if you have a single-boot system. If you're mucking about with an existing system and need to update the existing grub installation, it's a bit harder. I find that quite unpleasant, I don't get on at all well with grub2. It used to be trivial with the mature LiLo, before the days of initrd, udev etc. -- Joe -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140725101549.430bf...@jretrading.com
Re: 30 second wait kernel 3.14.12-1
On Fri 25 Jul 2014 at 05:42:38 +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 25.07.2014 04:44, schrieb Hugo Vanwoerkom: > > > > > Anybody venture a guess as to what is happening? I have a 5 second > > rootdelay specified in the kernel parameter list and this happens after > > that. I get no messages during the wait. > > If you edit /lib/udev/net.agent and change > > do_everything > /dev/null 2> /dev/null & > > to > > ( do_everything ) > /dev/null 2> /dev/null & > > is the delay gone? On an up-to-date sid Decompressing Linux... Parsing ELF... No relocation needed... done. Booting the kernel. Loading, please wait... INIT: version 2.88 booting [info] Using makefile-style concurrent boot in runlevel S. [ ok ] Starting the hotplug events dispatcher: udevd. [ ok ] Synthesizing the initial hotplug events...done. [] Waiting for /dev to be fully populated...[6.703654] via-ircc :00: 11.0: device not available (can't reserve [io 0x4000-0x407f]) done. there is a 20 second wait at this point. Applying your edit or downgrading udev to the previous version sees the delay gone. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/25072014103502.fb72b97cb...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: tune2fs: last write time is weeks or even months ago, moreover before last reboot
Le vendredi 25 juillet 2014 à 11:03:24 +0200, Jörg-Volker Peetz a écrit: > Which version of package e2fsprogs are you using? Version 1.42.5-1.1 ; the default version under Wheezy. Regards. -- David Guyot Administrateur système, réseau et télécommunications / Sysadmin Europe Camions Interactive / Stockway Moulin Collot F-88500 Ambacourt Tel: +33 (0)3 29 30 47 85 Fax : +33 (0)3 29 31 31 31 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: kernel errors present - how to resolve them please?
On 2014-07-25, Sharon Kimble wrote: > > Every day the following appears in my logwatch email >=2D-8<---cut here---start->8--- > WARNING: Kernel Errors Present > EXT4-fs (sde1): error count: 1 ...: 1 Time(s) > EXT4-fs (sde1): initial error at 1397381477: _ ...: 1 Time(s) > EXT4-fs (sde1): last error at 1397381477: _ ...: 1 Time(s)=20 >=2D-8<---cut here---end--->8--- > > sde1 is an external usb drive formatted ext4 which is rather important > as it is my backup drive. > > How should I resolve this situation please? > Purely "informational," apparently: http://serverfault.com/questions/475273/kernel-errors-present-ext4-fs https://lkml.org/lkml/2010/9/26/105 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnlt4inr.2cv.cu...@einstein.electron.org
Re: testing-dedicated ML? ( was Re: End of hypocrisy ? )
On 7/24/14, Bret Busby wrote: > On 24/07/2014, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> On 7/24/14, Bret Busby wrote: >>> On 24/07/2014, Zenaan Harkness wrote: We need a list for each package! You can't ruly home in on your questions of interest until you have dedicated lists for each package. ... >>> PostgreSQL has its own lists, MySQL has its own lists, Fetchmail has ... >> ;) > > I do not understand the last posting above. I was trying to say you took me seriously when you should have seen only humour. I didn't mean we _should_ have a mailing list, specific to debian, for _every_ package. Unfortunately, I thought it was so obviously silly, that I forgot to put the smiley at the end of the suggestion. And then, to my surprise, you pointed out to me that there are in fact per-app (debian specific) lists, of which I was not aware. The things we learn eh :) Apologies for the confusion, Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAOsGNSR-k2H=GtCRafR8YNJUs5R01ztwh_DdLwKq-P18=kb...@mail.gmail.com
Re: HTML5 => png or HTML5 => jpg.
On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 20:35:01 -0400 Jerry Stuckle wrote: > On 7/24/2014 12:30 PM, pe...@easthope.ca wrote: > > From: Jerry Stuckle > > Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2014 12:20:37 -0400 > > For the text manipulations, can you recommend AWK, Perl, sed or > > another? > > > > Thanks, ... Peter E. > > > > > > My recommendation would be whatever you're most familiar with. Almost > any language (except maybe ALGOL) can do text manipulation. But I > wouldn't recommend learning an entirely new language just to do one > job. > > Of course, if you're not a programmer, you might want to enlist the > help of a friend who could help you. Cheaper than hiring a > consultant ) > > Jerry I'm replying only to Peter's question and Jerry's answer, with no regard to converting HTML5 to .png... What Jerry said. Use what you know. If you're not a programmer, I'd recommend you learn Python, for the following reasons: 1) Most readable language on the planet. 2) With its wonderful library of addons, you can finish any project you start. 3) Widely used. A Pythoner has a good chance of getting a job with it. An employer stands a good chance of finding a good Python programmer. If necessary, you can find people to maintain (hopefully well written) Python you've made. 4) Desert island principle: If you were stranded on a desert island with only one computer language, you'd by far want it to be Python. 5) Python is very easy to learn. Excellent first language. 6) Everyone should be able to do simple programming. Without that ability, you're at the mercy of your software and OS. My recommendation is arguable. The fact is, for pure text manipulation, and especially regex, Perl's easier. But Perl's "many ways to do it" philosophy can cause you many problems in other contexts, including the fact that you might not be able to read another guy's Perl code because he does it completely different than you. Also, CPAN can be a PITA. AWK is a world-class timesaver with a built in loop, made specifically for text-processing text streams. For relatively simple text processing tasks, ten lines of AWK that you write in five minutes can often do the job. Even moderately complex text manipulation can often be done by combinations of AWK and sort in a pipeline. But at some point of complexity, when a lot of state is involved, AWK stops being practical, and you need to use a more generally capable language. Like Python. In summary, if you're not a programmer, learn Python. You'll always be glad you did. SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140725085058.23c58...@mydesq2.domain.cxm
Re: tune2fs: last write time is weeks or even months ago, moreover before last reboot
On 07/25/2014 10:31 AM, David Guyot wrote: > Le vendredi 25 juillet 2014 à 00:27:30 +0200, Linux-Fan a écrit: >> On 07/24/2014 03:44 PM, David Guyot wrote: >> If it is a Hitachi, the raw read error rate can switch between 0, 1, and >> the 2^16 without the disk being faulty. My only Hitachi disk also does >> this and works quite well. I also remember seeing some blog/article on >> the Internet explaining this behaviour but I do not currently find it. >> >> Considering the rest of your issues, I do not know, but the slowness is >> definitely a bad sign. Is a simple reboot an option? >> > Thanks for your answer, Linux-Fan. In fact, hard drives are Toshiba, not > Hitachi, but the problem may be the same. > > I considered a reboot with a forced all-FS check, but the slowness is so > considerable that I'm afraid to stop hosted websites for hours if FS > checks are as slow as standard I/O ; in addition, as our servers are > rented and not physically accessible, we won't be able to monitor e2fsck > to see its progress or potential problems. In fact, that's partly why I > asked advices here: to avoid this potentially problematic full FS check > as long as I can find other solutions. I see. Then I'd try to monitor the slowness as good as possible, possibly using something like `atop` or even uptime's loadavg display to find out if these (especially atop) point to a specific component. Also watch out for all sorts of file systems, especially those which are not directly on HDDs: I have encountered strange slowdowns when a fuse filesystem was failing or some network filesystem was not available... > I'll try to find this article you quoted, maybe I will find some infos > applying to my problem. Meanwhile, thanks for your help; if you have > other details, I'm interested. Getting more curious myself, I have tried to find it again, but the only things I could find were two /other/ forum entries which describe (probably) the same problem: * http://forums.storagereview.com/index.php/topic/12042-hitachi-deskstar-7k250/page-11#entry205681 * http://www.hartware.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=23001 The second one is in German, it basically says: Raw Read Error Rate is fluctuating between 95 and 100 for "Current" and "Worst" (even randomly improves after benchmarking) and later on Before: (Raw_Read_Error_Rate: 65536), After: changed from 65536 to 1 then just rebooted and it is back to 65536 and the Hitachi support answer basically says the HDD is OK. Unlike me, the OP of that forum thread decides not to trust the HDD (I wonder why, mine has been running for 2800 hours without any problems now). HTH LInux-Fan signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Desktop sharing question
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 10:52 AM, B wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jul 2014 10:36:47 -0500 > Nelson Green wrote: > >> Good morning all, > > Good afternoon alone, > >> PC. I would like to be able to share his desktop to me so that I >> can see what he is seeing and offer instruction and advice. I have > > Use X2GO (x2go.org), it includes a 'desktop sharing' function > and just need an access to the SSH port. Furthermore, is uses > NX libraries, greatly accelerating graphic transfers (compared > yo VNC). > You can also access it without a password (you'll need the > other side 'id_rsa' private key, though). This looks promising. I will do some reading and see if I can get something set up this weekend. Thanks! -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAGo-KZn6V=HK9=4=JaNWq6fy4NOM9=MsY+AX9O0z=uaeov+...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Desktop sharing question
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 2:03 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Jo, 24 iul 14, 10:36:47, Nelson Green wrote: >> Good morning all, >> >> I have a new, novice Debian user running the XFCE desktop on his PC. I >> would like to be able to share his desktop to me so that I can see >> what he is seeing and offer instruction and advice. I have used VNC to >> connect to a different X screens, but I'm not sure how to arrange >> things so that we can both see the same screen a the same time. I'm >> not necessarily interested in being able to control his session, just >> to see what he sees. Would someone mind pointing me towards some >> learning material regarding how to do this? > > apt-cache show x11vnc Thanks Andrei. I had looked through the VNC offerings but I managed to miss this one. It too looks promising. I will work on this over the weekend. > > Kind regards, > Andrei > -- > http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser > Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic > http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cago-kzk6ba8esoadi_g-vbx_hsohsyxjzmzvau3vchykfrf...@mail.gmail.com
Re: kernel errors present - how to resolve them please?
Curt writes: > On 2014-07-25, Sharon Kimble wrote: >> >> Every day the following appears in my logwatch email >>=2D-8<---cut here---start->8--- >> WARNING: Kernel Errors Present >> EXT4-fs (sde1): error count: 1 ...: 1 Time(s) >> EXT4-fs (sde1): initial error at 1397381477: _ ...: 1 Time(s) >> EXT4-fs (sde1): last error at 1397381477: _ ...: 1 Time(s)=20 >>=2D-8<---cut here---end--->8--- >> >> sde1 is an external usb drive formatted ext4 which is rather important >> as it is my backup drive. >> >> How should I resolve this situation please? >> > > Purely "informational," apparently: > > http://serverfault.com/questions/475273/kernel-errors-present-ext4-fs > https://lkml.org/lkml/2010/9/26/105 > Thanks for this Curt, its put my mind at rest :) Sharon. -- A taste of linux = http://www.sharons.org.uk my git repo = https://bitbucket.org/boudiccas/dots TGmeds = http://www.tgmeds.org.uk Debian testing, fluxbox 1.3.5, emacs 24.3.92.1 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: tune2fs: last write time is weeks or even months ago, moreover before last reboot
David Guyot wrote on 07/25/2014 11:41: > Le vendredi 25 juillet 2014 à 11:03:24 +0200, Jörg-Volker Peetz a écrit: >> Which version of package e2fsprogs are you using? > Version 1.42.5-1.1 ; the default version under Wheezy. > > Regards. > This version is a little bit outdated (Feb 2013). At least concerning ext4. I would try if a newer version shows something different. Have you tried smartctl (smartmontools) and seen anything striking? -- Regards, jvp. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/lqtn3l$di6$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: tune2fs: last write time is weeks or even months ago, moreover before last reboot
By the way, "Last write time" is the same as "Last mount time" on my systems also. -- Regards, jvp. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/lqtna9$ga5$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today
On Thu 24 Jul 2014 at 09:59:36 -0600, Paul E Condon wrote: [A little snip] > Over the years I have developed little tricks to smooth over the > inevitable rough times in the transition to a new release. This time > is different. Before, when I sensed that a pre-release freeze was > immanent I would dist-upgrade to testing so that I would already be > using the new packages at the moment of official release. I think that is still a good plan; November 2014 would be a good time to think of implementing it. > Now I have > little confidence in this strategy, and instead I am hoping to survive > the chaos by sticking with Wheezy until that happy future time when > everyone using Jessie is happily singing its praise. Be resolute! Be bold! Plan ahead with November in mind. Read https://lists.debian.org/87mwc9gfsw@xoog.err.no very, very carefully. If it is important to you keep an eye on what is happening in the systemd-shim world. > But when the time > comes for me to leave Wheezy behind, Jessie may very well be old and > nearing replacement. In which case, dist-upgrade to the testing > release of that future time may not be possible without intermediate > steps, and the transition will be by way of a full backup to external > HD followed by a clean install of whatever makes the most sense at > that future time. Deep down you feel this isn't a good idea. Go with your experience and instinct. November is forecast to be a good month for you. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140725134528.gd27...@copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: 30 second wait kernel 3.14.12-1
Michael Biebl wrote: Am 25.07.2014 04:44, schrieb Hugo Vanwoerkom: Anybody venture a guess as to what is happening? I have a 5 second rootdelay specified in the kernel parameter list and this happens after that. I get no messages during the wait. If you edit /lib/udev/net.agent and change do_everything > /dev/null 2> /dev/null & to ( do_everything ) > /dev/null 2> /dev/null & is the delay gone? as if by magic, delay gone... how did you find out? Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/lqtpfu$cku$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: 30 second wait kernel 3.14.12-1
Am 25.07.2014 16:27, schrieb Hugo Vanwoerkom: > Michael Biebl wrote: >> Am 25.07.2014 04:44, schrieb Hugo Vanwoerkom: >> >>> Anybody venture a guess as to what is happening? I have a 5 second >>> rootdelay specified in the kernel parameter list and this happens after >>> that. I get no messages during the wait. >> >> If you edit /lib/udev/net.agent and change >> >> do_everything > /dev/null 2> /dev/null & >> >> to >> >> ( do_everything ) > /dev/null 2> /dev/null & >> >> is the delay gone? >> > > as if by magic, delay gone... > how did you find out? The 30 second timeout is a udev internal timeout. udevadm settle waits for that amount of time for all events to be processed. Apparently, simply backgrounding the process via "&" is no longer sufficient to make udev consider this event to be processed. I suspect open file descriptors, but I still need to figure out all the details. The subshell is only a workaround I quickly came up with. -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: /var partition seems locked or read only
Le 24.07.2014 15:19, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI a écrit : On Qui, 24 Jul 2014, berenger.morel wrote: So, I wonder if there is a way to fix this inode's size repartition? In a more general way, if people have some advices about that kind of issues (choosing the right cluster and partitions size, the right partition format, etc depending on the planned usage)? I know, those questions (and the error I supposed I made) may seem trivial for real administrators, but... I'm a simple programmer, not an admin. It's not possible to change the number of inodes after the filesystem has been created. You'll have to backup and create a new filesystem. As I feared. As far as I remember, I've always accepted the defaults for number of inodes, and I've never got even close to exhausting inodes. First time I have exhausted inodes, but I never used apt-cacher-ng previously, and it's quite obvious that a proxy+cache is very greedy in terms of inodes. The nice thing here is that I have learned a lot of this error, and maybe someday I'll be able to help someone else in a similar situation, or be able to understand better partition systems. One of my defects is that I always try to tweak things... (with time I've learned to not do that when the target is very important) but at least it allows me to learn. By failures :) -- Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/9650f09e7723de9bb1bb89cfe6402...@neutralite.org
Routing issue with XEN / XCP
Hi all, I have an XCP host based on Debian, that contains a number of virtual machines for my internal network. A basic diagram of my network is here: https://www.gently.org.uk/gently-network.jpeg The 'gateway' vm is the only thing connected directly to the cable modem. eth0 receives its IP address via DHCP. eth1 is a fixed 'internal' (192.168.x.x) address, as are the ip addresses of the 'mailnews' vm, and seperate (physical) NAS server and other machines on the internal network. The gateway contains firewall rules to forward incoming traffic from the internet to appropriate internal machines, allow ssh access, imap etc. Up until recently, all was working perfectly. Last week I accidentally rebooted the xcp host machine (typing reboot into the wrong console window!) and since then I've been experiencing some odd behaviour: 1. From the internet, I can use the port forwarded SSH port connected to the NAS server to perform file transfers from the NAS. 2. From any virtual machine on the XCP host, I can perform ssh transfers from any other machine in my network (including other virtual machines on the same XCP host). 3. If I try to perform the same transfer from the internet to the ssh port on (say) the 'mailnews' virtual machine, I get next to no traffic at all. It appears that a few packets will flow initially, but the connection then stalls. As far as I can tell all the iptables rules for forwarding are set up correctly in the 'gateway' virtual machine (as I can successfully make transfers from the internet to the nas server). However, any ports that are forwarded to virtual machines on the XCP hosts show this slow behaviour. I should point out that it's not just ssh traffic that's affected. If I use (for example) Thunderbird from my work PC to access the imap server on the 'mailnews' virtual machine, I see the same stalling behaviour. Today I've installed the perdition imap proxy on the NAS machine, and changed the forwarding rule on 'gateway' such that incoming imap traffic is sent to the imap port on 'nas', which then makes a connection to the 'mailnews' imap port. This works perfectly, with no speed issues. It seems to me that something is confusing the networking side of the XEN / XCP machine, in that packets that are rewritten by iptables on the 'gateway' machine are not being correctly handled, causing the slow connections. Can anyone offer any suggestions as to what I can try to work out what's going on? As I said, as far as I'm aware no changes were made other than a reboot of the xcp host. I've even tried going back in kernel versions on both 'gateway' vm and xcp host, without any success (that's about the only thing I can think that would have changed as a result of the reboot). Thanks in advance for any advice you can offer. Pointers to documentation or more appropriate places to ask are appreciated if necessary. Cheers Andy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/slrnlt4t4c.leu.a...@xcp-mailnews.gently.org.uk
Re: 30 second wait kernel 3.14.12-1
Michael Biebl wrote: Am 25.07.2014 16:27, schrieb Hugo Vanwoerkom: Michael Biebl wrote: Am 25.07.2014 04:44, schrieb Hugo Vanwoerkom: Anybody venture a guess as to what is happening? I have a 5 second rootdelay specified in the kernel parameter list and this happens after that. I get no messages during the wait. If you edit /lib/udev/net.agent and change do_everything > /dev/null 2> /dev/null & to ( do_everything ) > /dev/null 2> /dev/null & is the delay gone? as if by magic, delay gone... how did you find out? The 30 second timeout is a udev internal timeout. udevadm settle waits for that amount of time for all events to be processed. Apparently, simply backgrounding the process via "&" is no longer sufficient to make udev consider this event to be processed. I suspect open file descriptors, but I still need to figure out all the details. The subshell is only a workaround I quickly came up with. Great job! Thanks! Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/lqtu37$bfr$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: /var partition seems locked or read only
On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 16:54:39 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > One of my defects is that I always try to tweak things... (with > time I've learned to not do that when the target is very > important) but at least it allows me to learn. By failures :) You could also switch to a FS that doesn't have this kind of limit and is faster with many files, XFS is a real good candidate… (NOTE: if you do so, you must have _some_ free RAM: xfs_repair needs 2GB but can be tweaked to use only 1; and a UPS to avoid zeroing files on power failure). -- Give me ONLY ONE good reason to get out home! There are cheap hentaïs at wallmart * Kiju has quit (client exited) signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: /var partition seems locked or read only
Le 25.07.2014 17:52, B a écrit : On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 16:54:39 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: One of my defects is that I always try to tweak things... (with time I've learned to not do that when the target is very important) but at least it allows me to learn. By failures :) You could also switch to a FS that doesn't have this kind of limit and is faster with many files, XFS is a real good candidate… (NOTE: if you do so, you must have _some_ free RAM: xfs_repair needs 2GB but can be tweaked to use only 1; and a UPS to avoid zeroing files on power failure). Sounds interesting, but the computer on which I have the problem does not have a lot of RAM (I doubt I will see a server less powerful than my 4 years old netbook hehe... but that's better than nothing). I think I'll try this at home where I have more RAM in computer. I really would like to find some resources explaining the strong points of the partition systems over other... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/ef49dad0d2ace6f299aa3792cbec4...@neutralite.org
Re: /var partition seems locked or read only
On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 17:58:15 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > in computer. I really would like to find some resources explaining > the strong points of the partition systems over other... There are plenty of benchmarks and comparisons on the web, however, make sure what you read is recent (there was many changes in many FS in the last years). But remember it'll always be a compromise as no FS is perfect (ZFS seems to be the closest to this definition, though, but not for a laptop;) -- Pad : Haha 2min to DL 500MB Dylan : grrr… Pad : I've a 4MB/s DL =D Dylan : I've a girlfriend Pad : Asshole… signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: /var partition seems locked or read only
Le 25.07.2014 18:14, B a écrit : On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 17:58:15 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: in computer. I really would like to find some resources explaining the strong points of the partition systems over other... There are plenty of benchmarks and comparisons on the web, however, make sure what you read is recent (there was many changes in many FS in the last years). Sure, but, there are frequent problems with benchmarks: _ a lot of them are biased (at least in programming world): I can remember some bench proving that python was faster than C++. Quite fun, especially when you took time to read the C++ code of the bench. _ they often apply on very specific situations. _ they regularly need a good understanding of each things tested to be useful. _ And, of course, the web is full of deprecated informations. I can remember having tried to read lot of bench about filesystems... I did not learned a lot, except that I was not skilled enough to understand the raw data and often the conclusion seemed biased to me, but this impression was maybe due to lacks of skills, too. But remember it'll always be a compromise as no FS is perfect (ZFS seems to be the closest to this definition, though, but not for a laptop;) This is obvious for me: something can only be almost perfect for a range of usages, not for everything. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cf0ee2c174d93206bf1c90f8ad85d...@neutralite.org
Re: /var partition seems locked or read only
On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 18:23:14 +0200 berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > _ a lot of them are biased (at least in programming world): Not too much for FS (but it exist), you also must know how to read results. And you must read _some_ papers to make an average (not very different from programming: I've discovered that ~70% of time is dedicated to read docs). Some tests are also 'biased' but you're warned (eg: I'm testing to find the best FS for handling billions of small pictures). > I can remember having tried to read lot of bench about> > filesystems... I did not learned a lot, except that I was not > skilled enough to understand the raw data and often the conclusion > seemed biased to me, but this impression was maybe due to lacks of > skills, too. Most of benchmarks are made with bonnie++ that have a good doc. -- Hi Hi MOM WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING ON CHATROULETTE!?? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
NFS Client
I am running Debain Kernel Version 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 and system is expecting very large number of NFS Mount point. Here is my question... How I can find minor and major number for FileSystem Type NFS. I dont see nfs under /dev. Is there any program that I can run which will show me minor and major number for give filesystem type? Thanks Minesh
Lenovo RD340 installing Wheezy
Hi, I have problems with installing debian 7.6.0 on an Lenovo RD340 with Raid300 and one 500Gbyte WD SATA. Installing is stopping and did not recognize Controller/disk. Only showing me long list of Controller/disk. How I get Wheezy running on this server. best regards Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/201407251851.43441.thomasit...@gmail.com
Re: NFS Client
I think that nfs ins't a block or character divece, but a network filesystem 2014-07-25 18:19 GMT+02:00 Minesh Parmar : > I am running Debain Kernel Version 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 and system is > expecting very large number of NFS Mount point. > > Here is my question... >How I can find minor and major number for FileSystem Type NFS. > I dont see nfs under /dev. > > Is there any program that I can run which will show me minor and major > number for give filesystem type? > > Thanks > Minesh > -- esta es mi vida e me la vivo hasta que dios quiera -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cae7pj3dqbptu+igtu8smnyqstvqkfkqjdpjogxwemqmzmg2...@mail.gmail.com
Re: NFS Client
So in that case is there any limit on number of mount NFS mount point we can have on any given system running debain. On Friday, July 25, 2014 1:00 PM, emmanuel segura wrote: I think that nfs ins't a block or character divece, but a network filesystem 2014-07-25 18:19 GMT+02:00 Minesh Parmar : > I am running Debain Kernel Version 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 and system is > expecting very large number of NFS Mount point. > > Here is my question... > How I can find minor and major number for FileSystem Type NFS. > I dont see nfs under /dev. > > Is there any program that I can run which will show me minor and major > number for give filesystem type? > > Thanks > Minesh > -- esta es mi vida e me la vivo hasta que dios quiera
Thin provisioning Wheezy
It's my understanding, please correct me if wrong, that LVM thin provisioning is disabled in Wheezy due to lack of availability of user tools (at the time). I've reconfigured the kernel to include thin provisioning target support but when creating a thin pool I get: "WARNING: Unrecognized segment type thin...". How might I re-enable this feature? Thank you.
Re: New 64bit Installation. Root partition too small--what to do?
On 07/25/2014 12:04 AM, David Baron wrote: This is very good and sound advice, actually. Problem is, I tried selecting manual partitioning on the install and saw no interface to actually do it. You're probably not understanding the installer's manual partitioning pages. I learned by fumbling around and seeing what happens. Scroll up and down the page with the cursor keys. Press enter on items to activate them. Many will open up new pages with more options. It helps if the only drive in the computer is a blank spare system drive. (If I set up partitions beforehand, will the installation simply respect them?) The installer will see them, but it won't allocate/ assign them unless you tell it to do so. Another alternative: First, to do the above or anything else with the older 1- terra. I need to thoroughly test it, do something about the bad spot if it is still around after formatting. Once I know I can use this drive, I can reinstall to it or ... Move the too-small root partition to a reasonable primary on this drive. Can have a separate boot is desirable, maybe in the former / which is all of 325meg--yuk! I can make other partitions for /opt or anything else which is getting full-up. Moving stuff and changing fstab is no problem. So, your entire Linux system is on a flaky 1 TB drive? Download the manufacturer's diagnostic tool and run all available tests. If the drive is going out, wipe or sledge hammer it and put it in the recycle bin. If the drive is good, wipe it and use it for a data drive or a backup/ archive drive. You want a small, fast drive for your system drive; 10+ GB SSD's are really nice. Question: How do I tell grub about new /, new /boot, etc.?? Seems to be mostly automatic with little documentation. Or do I go back to lilo which I at least know how to configure :-)? The installer offers to set up GRUB in the master boot record near the end; I answer yes. I haven't had to manually configure a boot loader in years. HTH, David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53d299ff.3080...@holgerdanske.com
Re: New 64bit Installation. Root partition too small--what to do?
On 07/25/2014 02:15 AM, Joe wrote: It's actually /lib/modules that takes up the space, and of course this has to be under / for booting. I have a server in this position, which had an adequately-sized / and separate /usr and /var when installed. 350MB used to be more than enough for a / which didn't contain /home, /usr or /var. I don't normally keep more than one previous kernel around, but there have been occasions where I have wanted to. I understand now that a separate /usr is a no-no, unless I want to add even more complication to grub2 (see below), so sizing / won't be an issue in future. Thanks for the information. :-) David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53d29aa3.9030...@holgerdanske.com
Re: Lenovo RD340 installing Wheezy
On Fri 25 Jul 2014 at 18:51:43 +0200, Thomas wrote: > I have problems with installing debian 7.6.0 on an Lenovo RD340 with Raid300 > and one 500Gbyte WD SATA. > Installing is stopping and did not recognize Controller/disk. Only showing me > long list of Controller/disk. > How I get Wheezy running on this server. Installing is stopped? At what point? What did you do before before this point was reached? You can see something we cannot. Would you please attach it to your next post here. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/25072014185720.3914184df...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Lenovo RD340 installing Wheezy
On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 19:00:44 +0100 Brian wrote: > You can see something we cannot. Would you please attach it to > your next post here. Yeah, Brian's right, especially the 'long list of ctrlr/hd' look intriguing (take a clear picture). -- K: Fuck, I had plenty of porn on my pc --".. K: As if by chance there's no more since my father repaired the pc. K: 1) he suppressed them all. or 2) He stole them like a pig before deletion. N: You've been deceived conversation darling, it's mom N: But knowing your father, I'd say 2) K: Oo signature.asc Description: PGP signature
fsck progress not shown on boot with systemd as pid 1
Hello list, I'm running Jessie (lagging about 5 days behind with the updates) and use systemd-sysv. Today I noticed that there is no visual feedback from fsck when checking an ext4 filesystem at boot time. Since it appears the system is stuck (apart from the HDD LED) I would consdider this a bug. Is this known? I wanted to check the list first, especially since the system not fully up-to-date, before filing a bug report. I quick search didn't bring up any results. I knew it was a fsck because the messages about 'checking disk after mounts' were printed on the screen on the previous boot. Best regards, Steven signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [Wheezy] [networking] post-up NOT executed
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 08:41:50PM +0200, Mickael MONSIEUR wrote: > Hi, > I have a fresh installation of Debian Wheezy 7.6.0 amd64. > The post-up line does not execute when eth0 is mounted! > (by against my eth0 interface is mounted!) > > I have to mount routes, and are not: > > post-up /sbin/route add 1.2.3.4 dev eth0 Remove the 'post-' part of the line. Cheers, Tom -- We can predict everything, except the future. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Wheezy] [networking] post-up NOT executed
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 08:06:29PM +0100, Tom Furie wrote: > On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 08:41:50PM +0200, Mickael MONSIEUR wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a fresh installation of Debian Wheezy 7.6.0 amd64. > > The post-up line does not execute when eth0 is mounted! > > (by against my eth0 interface is mounted!) > > > > I have to mount routes, and are not: > > > > post-up /sbin/route add 1.2.3.4 dev eth0 > > Remove the 'post-' part of the line. Sorry, got ahead of myself there. I meant to continue with post- has always given me problems where the other variants haven't. I'm not entirely convinced the post- variants are even implemented. Cheers, Tom -- You will engage in a profitable business activity. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: fsck progress not shown on boot with systemd as pid 1
Hi, Am 25.07.2014 20:27, schrieb Steven Post: > I'm running Jessie (lagging about 5 days behind with the updates) and > use systemd-sysv. Today I noticed that there is no visual feedback from > fsck when checking an ext4 filesystem at boot time. Since it appears the > system is stuck (apart from the HDD LED) I would consdider this a bug. > Is this known? I wanted to check the list first, especially since the > system not fully up-to-date, before filing a bug report. I quick search > didn't bring up any results. If the system is booted with the "quiet" kernel command line option, no messages are shown by systemd. You can either remove "quiet" from the kernel command line or use the systemd.show_status=true|false systemd.sysv_console=true|false systemd.log_level= systemd.log_target= boot options to control that in a fine grained manner. Understandably, users are worried when the screen just stays black for a while without a feedback from the system. So a future update of systemd will slightly change this behaviour: whenever there is a service that failed or takes longer then a certain threshold (iirc it's something like 5 secs), systemd will automatically switch into verbose mode. [1] has more details. This requires a newer upstream release which is currently prepared for experimental and will land in unstable hopefully soon. I hope that addresses the concerns most users have with the current behaviour. Michael [1] http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-January/016546.html -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: fsck progress not shown on boot with systemd as pid 1
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 07/25/2014 03:33 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: > Hi, > > Am 25.07.2014 20:27, schrieb Steven Post: > >> I'm running Jessie (lagging about 5 days behind with the updates) >> and use systemd-sysv. Today I noticed that there is no visual >> feedback from fsck when checking an ext4 filesystem at boot time. >> Since it appears the system is stuck (apart from the HDD LED) I >> would consdider this a bug. Is this known? I wanted to check the >> list first, especially since the system not fully up-to-date, >> before filing a bug report. I quick search didn't bring up any >> results. > > If the system is booted with the "quiet" kernel command line option, > no messages are shown by systemd. > You can either remove "quiet" from the kernel command line or use > the > systemd.show_status=true|false > systemd.sysv_console=true|false > systemd.log_level= > systemd.log_target= > boot options to control that in a fine grained manner. Is there any plan to do either of these things in the Debian-default configuration (and possibly update existing installs to match, if unmodified)? Or is the plan for the Debian-default boot-messages behavior to change with a switch to systemd? - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJT0rfKAAoJEASpNY00KDJrAP0P/AgpXuZ8g09GJYhqfY2JWgbu Hcl1wouSW/rF2WXhzrdP1FlXQC7k9PQb1iuZBfJFi2V9y+Gg2xD98e2tv7UK8tSj 95X4LZapXO7Nu1gDHhAuC8LPAIgzzFRhAyq7gSlSOILVwYxraEEDZvfI09mJ/7Ae p5I2JhmUAoMo9svB1ar4GBePxAiIyVZAZLIr9wsd+lG9IlfpEgsZ45AoCAqJNfKs NDKUuMRmxORfsT8aISJbnlV1WN0kWWrW8k67Cx7VZpGFvaKwQA7nIEFXnZLwZAbT vhmpayP4+YisQNTTOB2calKkOzDsBPdBtDm9Adkz5i2so+k9FnNBnqneZtQYuhPX CxHFrfJEjjPH1sse8XLQ7bhiWqkWr7okgm33CbJbvU4qNPbMRKhy+7ytEKVPR5s5 okLVH7/fPIdiv9xAZLyC5nZYMelJiY5GOhFVg7QO43uzfMfBsdM0UDmevpDTqMvo CpN0EZVF5OumWQTD5PinlWOPy5eYNAfU4gzSU/zv+8FE6QwpXVvUzJbR1Qs6BhSb 01oDFuuGDOFZx9A0N/1GxhXJqRbLCuF2nlRc5+EMCIG6o3//mhKT9FvfaFkqYMgZ AP9bxKD+G5ddgHajtI8b0HA4NQFqtCZBENvtshfaRCZyMCJCFa/wrnsPrsI3JfK4 DDqOk36mrFevPYu8CM2B =TMOs -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53d2b7ca.50...@fastmail.fm
Re: Latest Jessie doesn't respond to /etc/default/tmpfs "RAMTMP=yes"
On Jul 24, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Mi, 23 iul 14, 00:12:25, Rick Thomas wrote: >> >> I’m trying to get /tmp on tmpfs, so I put “RAMTMP=yes” in /dev/default/tmpfs >> . >> >> But I don’t get /tmp/mounted on tmpfs. > > What's wrong with fstab? > > Kind regards, > Andrei Nothing wrong with fstab, of course. I was, as all good debianistas should when they have a bit of spare time, testing the latest release — and reporting that the documented way using /dev/default/tmpfs wasn’t working. It seems that this is just another example of the documentation for systemd not having caught up with the the reality of the implementation. I guess I’ll file a bugreport requesting that the docs be updated… Rick -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/8ba45276-cc61-41a9-b89a-033982949...@pobox.com
Re: Latest Jessie doesn't respond to /etc/default/tmpfs "RAMTMP=yes"
Am 25.07.2014 22:19, schrieb Rick Thomas: > > On Jul 24, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > >> On Mi, 23 iul 14, 00:12:25, Rick Thomas wrote: >>> >>> I’m trying to get /tmp on tmpfs, so I put “RAMTMP=yes” in >>> /dev/default/tmpfs . >>> >>> But I don’t get /tmp/mounted on tmpfs. >> >> What's wrong with fstab? >> >> Kind regards, >> Andrei > > Nothing wrong with fstab, of course. I was, as all good debianistas should > when they have a bit of spare time, testing the latest release — and > reporting that the documented way using /dev/default/tmpfs wasn’t working. > > It seems that this is just another example of the documentation for systemd > not having caught up with the the reality of the implementation. > > I guess I’ll file a bugreport requesting that the docs be updated… It would probably make sense to file a bug report against the initscripts package (which provides /etc/default/tmpfs) and clarify that this file is sysvinit specific. -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: systemd log messages during boot (Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd)
Ahoj, Dňa Thu, 24 Jul 2014 11:41:28 +0200 Erwan David napísal: > On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 09:42:52AM CEST, Tom H > said: > > The behavior of the boot messages hasn't changed for me and > > according to the systemd man pages it shouldn't. So your setup must > > be different. > > I did not change anything, I had messages from all starting daemons, I > have no more if I do not add systelmd.show_status=true in an unrelated > configuration file (/etc/default/grub) Today i find some time to play with systemd in virtual environment and i go to this problem too. Then i found: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=729805#32 Where is mentioned, that the order of quiet and systemd.show_status=1 is important, in mean that if the quiet is later, then it rewrites the systemd.show_status back to false (and this is not expected nor described behavior). By this, these two posts, where it works for one and not for other, can be by this command order. BTW, the systemd show huge amount of started services, then it is useless for me (i have only three daemons on this virtual machine beside the udev and similar), with the sysv all messaged was in one screen. regards -- Slavko http://slavino.sk signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: fsck progress not shown on boot with systemd as pid 1
Am 25.07.2014 22:02, schrieb The Wanderer: > On 07/25/2014 03:33 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: > >> Hi, > >> Am 25.07.2014 20:27, schrieb Steven Post: > >>> I'm running Jessie (lagging about 5 days behind with the updates) >>> and use systemd-sysv. Today I noticed that there is no visual >>> feedback from fsck when checking an ext4 filesystem at boot time. >>> Since it appears the system is stuck (apart from the HDD LED) I >>> would consdider this a bug. Is this known? I wanted to check the >>> list first, especially since the system not fully up-to-date, >>> before filing a bug report. I quick search didn't bring up any >>> results. > >> If the system is booted with the "quiet" kernel command line option, >> no messages are shown by systemd. >> You can either remove "quiet" from the kernel command line or use >> the >> systemd.show_status=true|false >> systemd.sysv_console=true|false >> systemd.log_level= >> systemd.log_target= >> boot options to control that in a fine grained manner. > > Is there any plan to do either of these things in the Debian-default > configuration (and possibly update existing installs to match, if > unmodified)? No, there is no such plan. -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
VLC dependencies
So I was trying to install VLC. I get: The following packages have unmet dependencies: libvlccore7 : Depends: vlc-data (= 2.1.4-1) but 1:2.0.0-0.0 is installed. libupnp6 : Conflicts: libupnp3 but 1:1.6.6-5.1 is installed. No upgrade was suggested and I had to uninstall vlc-data and then everything installed. Why is Debian so lame? It could have just upgraded those packages without too much effort because that is what I did...manually. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAEon4=d-0c7knkj1x58an1fyxazdgpawm7mpxjqq5rrcrtk...@mail.gmail.com
Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 02:45:28PM +0100, Brian wrote: ...snip.. > > Be resolute! Be bold! Plan ahead with November in mind. Read > >https://lists.debian.org/87mwc9gfsw@xoog.err.no > > very, very carefully. If it is important to you keep an eye on what is > happening in the systemd-shim world. I'd love to except that it's "not fund on this server". Besides, it doesn't look like any url I've ever seen. Typo? -- Bob Holtzman Giant intergalactic brain-sucking hyperbacteria came to Earth to rape our women and create a race of mindless zombies. Look! It's working! signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: fsck progress not shown on boot with systemd as pid 1
Am 25.07.2014 22:21, schrieb Michael Biebl: > Am 25.07.2014 22:02, schrieb The Wanderer: >> Is there any plan to do either of these things in the Debian-default >> configuration (and possibly update existing installs to match, if >> unmodified)? > > No, there is no such plan. What I do plan to do though is, writing documentation in form of an upgrade checklist or FAQ which explains such user-visible changes. Maybe on the wiki and/or README.Debian -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today
On 2014-07-25 22:33 +0200, Bob Holtzman wrote: > On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 02:45:28PM +0100, Brian wrote: > >...snip.. >> >> Be resolute! Be bold! Plan ahead with November in mind. Read >> >>https://lists.debian.org/87mwc9gfsw@xoog.err.no >> >> very, very carefully. If it is important to you keep an eye on what is >> happening in the systemd-shim world. > > I'd love to except that it's "not fund on this server". Works for me. > Besides, it doesn't look like any url I've ever seen. Typo? No, the part after the last slash is a Message-ID, see https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/. Here's what I am redirected to: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/07/msg00611.html. Cheers, Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/877g31kvfn@turtle.gmx.de
Re: fsck progress not shown on boot with systemd as pid 1
On Fri 25 Jul 2014 at 16:02:18 -0400, The Wanderer wrote: > On 07/25/2014 03:33 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Am 25.07.2014 20:27, schrieb Steven Post: > > > >> I'm running Jessie (lagging about 5 days behind with the updates) > >> and use systemd-sysv. Today I noticed that there is no visual > >> feedback from fsck when checking an ext4 filesystem at boot time. > >> Since it appears the system is stuck (apart from the HDD LED) I > >> would consdider this a bug. Is this known? I wanted to check the > >> list first, especially since the system not fully up-to-date, > >> before filing a bug report. I quick search didn't bring up any > >> results. > > > > If the system is booted with the "quiet" kernel command line option, > > no messages are shown by systemd. > > You can either remove "quiet" from the kernel command line or use > > the > > systemd.show_status=true|false > > systemd.sysv_console=true|false > > systemd.log_level= > > systemd.log_target= > > boot options to control that in a fine grained manner. > > Is there any plan to do either of these things in the Debian-default > configuration (and possibly update existing installs to match, if > unmodified)? Or is the plan for the Debian-default boot-messages > behavior to change with a switch to systemd? With sysvinit the default at booting is for the screen messages to fly past at a bewildering speed and then for the screen to be cleared by agetty. Nobody particularily complains about this behaviour. Unless you have an excellent visual memory you are in the dark as regards what happened. I'm trying to get to grips with what you envisage for a change in the "Debian-default boot-messages behavior". -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/25072014215016.f342bb727...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: fsck progress not shown on boot with systemd as pid 1
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 (Sorry if this turns out to be a resend; there's been a hiccup on my end, and due to the usual variable lag before I receive messages I send to the Debian lists, I don't know if it got sent before or not.) On 07/25/2014 04:21 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: > Am 25.07.2014 22:02, schrieb The Wanderer: > >> On 07/25/2014 03:33 PM, Michael Biebl wrote: >>> If the system is booted with the "quiet" kernel command line >>> option, no messages are shown by systemd. >>> You can either remove "quiet" from the kernel command line or use >>> the >>> systemd.show_status=true|false >>> systemd.sysv_console=true|false >>> systemd.log_level= >>> systemd.log_target= >>> boot options to control that in a fine grained manner. >> >> Is there any plan to do either of these things in the >> Debian-default configuration (and possibly update existing installs >> to match, if unmodified)? > > No, there is no such plan. Which means, by process of elimination, that the plan is for the Debian-default behavior to change. As long as that's the conscious intention, there's nothing inherently wrong with that. I do think it's something that should be chosen explicitly, however, rather than just an unintended (and possibly un-realized) side-effect of a different choice. However, I'm not sure what the appropriate way to bring this behavior change to the attention of the appropriate maintainers - to make sure that they are, in fact, making it intentionally - would be, or indeed who the "appropriate" maintainers are. (I'm guessing either the maintainers of the Debian kernel packages, or the maintainers of the Debian grub packages and the like, but I'm not certain.) Any ideas in that direction? - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJT0sZ0AAoJEASpNY00KDJr7yEP/0qwmIShacVJnBvDcbEabyF9 wVkatn6e4NcyUxWjiOvt36zoOsuxly2PtOSjn3P6yh5FiI2nWqRjtjw5SpjzEb56 dmiZQSk1m5tjjYUBm8aB3/qrNso3XuYst9HxSpNH9i5GrUYO2/pyeNuo8A3QCDfp zZCqT5OBmI0Zp18O4SZJSQMTyWrKEkNdfO5syeSjKedOLIsav/ONU5lHgpDldMOm k/CVvTUHFyyLEwf7BpkGl6zopzBPEwXK0fg9NHLHY/Q3w2R4Sb5KC5EiqeKy5RWG PjViNfdQ54dl69/6oqEfLJkJ0FJCptnwt40Ol0fRDmDhuNsigUlLlIVc7eVg4Uek 3bsUxQK0Da52/QmkPOuFcZtFiLEwLrDe45YMIrlOVHJjLUNxjPksrGfCP1oQ8MYt B/BrHioNxNVb39KDvp27tc0Ob+fEDRoKtfzL+b/x1GrYRTBlKcrxbX058IoyTKwD SsZB7hIhNUMZcMrBufzO5ey6koBjIqei7wt5AlFGf6/efIW5VPhd91MYeeQtSXkv e5EdJxlQHtd7ak6MyjNldfK+bIhTEXnNss20KXWyv88x8oyP3nEJlWB4ArfVrmUU EZuWMcS88UtV+sx4kcOUDFAcflsv2FvSU6EaCsMOjaVZtGVwH+FaT+IHEZxisBhO QgP8g9Z6SlRZb21lI+r4 =kl47 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53d2c675.6020...@fastmail.fm
Re: VLC dependencies
On Vi, 25 iul 14, 13:27:55, S Tan wrote: > So I was trying to install VLC. I get: > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > libvlccore7 : Depends: vlc-data (= 2.1.4-1) but 1:2.0.0-0.0 is installed. > libupnp6 : Conflicts: libupnp3 but 1:1.6.6-5.1 is installed. > > No upgrade was suggested and I had to uninstall vlc-data and then > everything installed. Why is Debian so lame? It could have just > upgraded those packages without too much effort because that is what I > did...manually. Could it be that you had (still have?) deb-multimedia packages on your system? Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: VLC dependencies
On Fri 25 Jul 2014 at 13:27:55 -0700, S Tan wrote: > So I was trying to install VLC. I get: > The following packages have unmet dependencies: > libvlccore7 : Depends: vlc-data (= 2.1.4-1) but 1:2.0.0-0.0 is installed. > libupnp6 : Conflicts: libupnp3 but 1:1.6.6-5.1 is installed. > > No upgrade was suggested and I had to uninstall vlc-data and then > everything installed. Why is Debian so lame? It could have just > upgraded those packages without too much effort because that is what I > did...manually. vlc-data 1:2.0.0-0.0 has never been in Debian (snapshot.debian.org knows nothing about it). Why are some users so lame? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/25072014222642.515c6e146...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today
On Fri 25 Jul 2014 at 13:33:28 -0700, Bob Holtzman wrote: > On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 02:45:28PM +0100, Brian wrote: > >...snip.. > > > > Be resolute! Be bold! Plan ahead with November in mind. Read > > > >https://lists.debian.org/87mwc9gfsw@xoog.err.no > > > > very, very carefully. If it is important to you keep an eye on what is > > happening in the systemd-shim world. > > I'd love to except that it's "not fund on this server". Besides, it > doesn't look like any url I've ever seen. Typo? Checked before posting. Checked a moment ago. Nothing wrong with it. It is also at https://lists.debian.org/87mwc9gfsw@xoog.err.no -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/25072014221221.b5d400e76...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today
On Vi, 25 iul 14, 13:33:28, Bob Holtzman wrote: > On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 02:45:28PM +0100, Brian wrote: > >...snip.. > > > > Be resolute! Be bold! Plan ahead with November in mind. Read > > > >https://lists.debian.org/87mwc9gfsw@xoog.err.no > > > > very, very carefully. If it is important to you keep an eye on what is > > happening in the systemd-shim world. > > I'd love to except that it's "not fund on this server". Besides, it > doesn't look like any url I've ever seen. Typo? Works fine for me, but you can also try https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/07/msg00611.html Just for your info, that is a link to the archives based on msg-id. It would be appended also to your or my posts, would we not be using multi-part mime. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today
On Fri 25 Jul 2014 at 22:14:12 +0100, Brian wrote: > It is also at > >https://lists.debian.org/87mwc9gfsw@xoog.err.no Copy/paste error https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/07/msg00611.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/25072014223239.582dbaedd...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: VLC dependencies
On 07/25/2014 05:28 PM, Brian wrote: On Fri 25 Jul 2014 at 13:27:55 -0700, S Tan wrote: So I was trying to install VLC. I get: The following packages have unmet dependencies: libvlccore7 : Depends: vlc-data (= 2.1.4-1) but 1:2.0.0-0.0 is installed. libupnp6 : Conflicts: libupnp3 but 1:1.6.6-5.1 is installed. No upgrade was suggested and I had to uninstall vlc-data and then everything installed. Why is Debian so lame? It could have just upgraded those packages without too much effort because that is what I did...manually. vlc-data 1:2.0.0-0.0 has never been in Debian (snapshot.debian.org knows nothing about it). Why are some users so lame? Now now ...nice nice. :) Ric -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53d2d377.4080...@gmail.com
Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 10:58:04PM +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2014-07-25 22:33 +0200, Bob Holtzman wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 02:45:28PM +0100, Brian wrote: > > > >...snip.. > >> > >> Be resolute! Be bold! Plan ahead with November in mind. Read > >> > >>https://lists.debian.org/87mwc9gfsw@xoog.err.no > >> > >> very, very carefully. If it is important to you keep an eye on what is > >> happening in the systemd-shim world. > > > > I'd love to except that it's "not fund on this server". > > Works for me. > > > Besides, it doesn't look like any url I've ever seen. Typo? > > No, the part after the last slash is a Message-ID, see > https://lists.debian.org/msgid-search/. > > Here's what I am redirected to: > https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/07/msg00611.html. Got it. Thanks -- Bob Holtzman Giant intergalactic brain-sucking hyperbacteria came to Earth to rape our women and create a race of mindless zombies. Look! It's working! signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Theme control in Xfce4
Until quite recently, i.e. in the last year or so, I used the Crux theme in Gnome and more recent Xfce4. But in a recent install from release 7.6 (of Wheezy), Crux has changed in a way that is significant for me. I have a style of working in which I have many overlapping terminal windows on the screen. When the window that has focus is too small to contain some long lines without folding, I like to quickly expand the window, either to the left or to the right, depending on what other window will be covered by the expansion. The old Crux had thick borders on all four sides, top, bottom, left, and right. This thick border made it easy to position the mouse cursor on a particular edge and quickly adjust it to my liking. In the new Crux the side borders are extremely hard to hit on with my imperfect eye-hand coordination. I want the old Crux back. Is there a package of 'legacy' themes? What is its name? The so-called hi-contrast themes don't help. They don't affect the outside border. Instead they use up interior area, thus reducing the area of useful information. How can I get the old Crux back? Please. -- Paul E Condon
Re: Theme control in Xfce4
On Fri, 25 Jul 2014 22:26:02 -0600 Paul Condon wrote: > on with my imperfect eye-hand coordination. I want the old Crux > back. Is there a package of 'legacy' themes? What is its name? I don't know if it can be recovered; however, you could go in /usr/share/themes as root, create your own theme directory, copy the actual Crux theme in it and modify it according to your needs. This way, whatever the changes, you'll be able to keep it the way you want. -- User : You told me "no capitals for the password" , is that it? Hot-Line : Correct. User : Shall I put numbers in lowercase too? signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Theme control in Xfce4
On 7/26/14, Paul Condon wrote: > terminal windows on the screen. When the window that has focus is too > small to contain some long lines without folding, I like to quickly expand > the window, either to the left or to the right, depending on what > other window will be covered by the expansion. > > The old Crux had thick borders on all four sides, top, bottom, left, > and right. This thick border made it easy to position the mouse cursor > on a particular edge and quickly adjust it to my liking. In the new > Crux the side borders are extremely hard to hit on with my imperfect > eye-hand coordination. I want the old Crux back. Is there a package of > 'legacy' themes? What is its name? > How can I get the old Crux back? Please. Don't have a specific answer to that. I have a similar need/usage of xterms - and a lot of xterms - quickly seeing more width is great, I agree. But I do have some suggestions which may enhance your terminal experience (but hopefully not ending terminal experience, or never not no double negatives :) - Algorithmic xterm layout - I posted this once before on debian-user. - GNU Screen, with a theme which gives nice "tabs", I use CTRL-PgUp and CTRL-PgDn to cycle. - XFCE has window manager keyboard shortcuts, and I have set two shortcuts to make use of the "Window Logo" key: * Logo-F11 - fully un/maximise current window (no window decorations) * Shift-Logo-F11 - un/maximise (with window decorations) Either of these keyboard shortcuts make it easy to quickly maximise and unmaximise a particular xterm. This is different to (temporarily) overlapping another window, but is useful to me nonetheless. - Buy an ambidextrous Logitech Trackman Marble, and get comfortable using it with the left hand. This provides (I find) more accurate control than mouse, but less than a trackpoint/nipple or trackpad. So depends what you have. You see, I prefer window borders of just a few pixels, so don't have much to grab, but the trackball means this is sort of equivalent to thicker window borders for me. Good luck :) Zenaan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/caosgnsqdacesrl80h1+2xivwzbyprglvca5a9ucptkasvd-...@mail.gmail.com
