Re: Debian Linux 7 and Realtek soundcards
On 11/05/14 16:53, Bret Busby wrote: > Hello. > > I have this weekend, managed to install Debian 7.5 amd64 xfce version > onto a laptop computer. > > However, the sound does not work. Ouch. But easily fixed. > > In searching, I have found that the laptop apparently has a Realtek > soundcard (and, an inbuilt Intel something soundcard thing). That covers a wide range of devices. Could you be more specific please? e.g. the output of:- $ lspci | grep audio > > With Debian having eliminated "non-free" stuff from the official release > packages, I realize that, somewhere (it is not easy to find http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/ >, from the > Debian web site), "firmware" ISO's are available, that can install > "non-free" hardware drivers. > > I am therefore wondering whether, somewhere, packages exist (.deb > packages, that make installation relatively easy for those of us not > skilled "in the black arts"), for the hardware drivers that may be on > the firmware ISO's. By "installation" do you mean "drivers available *during* installation"?? For the purposes of making available during installation? https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware (I have some small scripts I use to customise netinstall images if you want, they extract the installer image, allow you to add a preseed.cfg and firmware, then rebuild the iso for you). If you mean *after* installing Debian, then yes. firmware-linux-nonfree and firmware-linux-free are the main packages. $ apt-cache search firmware # for lots more > > I do not know whether the firmware ISO's allow a user to choose which > desktop environment is installed, Yes. They are identical to the "normal" install CDs, they just include firmware. > and the procedure that I found, for > dealing with the .tar.bz files from the Realtek web site, seem too > complicated. Do you have a link for that? > > Thank you in anticipation, for constructive assistance. > > -- > Bret Busby > Armadale > West Australia > .. > Kind regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536f218f.3030...@gmail.com
Re: Debian Linux 7 and Realtek soundcards
On 05/11/2014 09:53 AM, Bret Busby wrote: > Hello. > > I have this weekend, managed to install Debian 7.5 amd64 xfce version > onto a laptop computer. > > However, the sound does not work. > > In searching, I have found that the laptop apparently has a Realtek > soundcard (and, an inbuilt Intel something soundcard thing). > > With Debian having eliminated "non-free" stuff from the official release > packages, I realize that, somewhere (it is not easy to find, from the > Debian web site), "firmware" ISO's are available, that can install > "non-free" hardware drivers. > > I am therefore wondering whether, somewhere, packages exist (.deb > packages, that make installation relatively easy for those of us not > skilled "in the black arts"), for the hardware drivers that may be on > the firmware ISO's. You can search for packages what contains word "firmware" e.g. linux-firmware. As far as I know there is not firmware package for Realtek sound cards. Maybe you have to execute the following command as root: # alsactl init sometimes it helps. > I do not know whether the firmware ISO's allow a user to choose which > desktop environment is installed, and the procedure that I found, for > dealing with the .tar.bz files from the Realtek web site, seem too > complicated. > > Thank you in anticipation, for constructive assistance. > > -- > Bret Busby > Armadale > West Australia > .. > > "So once you do know what the question actually is, > you'll know what the answer means." > - Deep Thought, > Chapter 28 of Book 1 of > "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: > A Trilogy In Four Parts", > written by Douglas Adams, > published by Pan Books, 1992 > > > Best regards Georgi -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536f22df.3070...@oles.biz
Re: How to get a log of fsck on boot partition when using systemd-sysv
On 2014-05-10 23:49 +0200, Jape Person wrote: > In various logs on these systems I see an indication that "touch > /forcefsck" doesn't work with systemd running the show, and that > adding > > fsck.mode=force > > to the linux boot line in Grub is now the proper way to force fsck to > run at boot time. It is true that fsck.mode=force is the recommended way, but the methods used by the checkfs.sh initscript are still supported despite the warning systemd-fsck prints when you use them. > However, though I see that fsck is running when I boot the system > after altering the boot process, there is still no output from the > operation written to the checkroot file. I presume this is part of the > rhubarb I've noticed on various lists concerning the logging of the > boot process when using systemd. Those messages end up in the journal. The initscript captures them with logsave(8) which is a kludge to work around the problem that syslog is not yet available when it runs. > This is hardly a huge problem for me, but I'd like to keep practicing > this slightly OCD behavior if I can on a couple of the more critical > machines. > > Would anyone have thoughts on how I can get a record of the file > system check on the boot drive when using systemd? Something like "journalctl -b | grep systemd-fsck". I haven't figured out how to get "journalctl -u" to work here. Cheers, Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87zjiog430@turtle.gmx.de
Re: minimal X.org xserver installation on Debian Wheezy
On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 12:29:55AM +, Martin T wrote: > Hi, > > I installed Debian Wheezy with no desktop environment as I would like > to use lightweight dwm window manager instead. However, as a first > step, I need to install xserver. I would like to install minimal > components needed for running the xserver. What are the exact > components(binaries, libraries, configuration files, etc) needed to > run xserver? Obviously xinit(starts X server session), but what else? > Or are the components needed for running xserver so scattered that > practically one needs to install xserver-xorg package which will > handle all the dependencies needed? apt-get --no-install-recommends install xserver-xorg-video-intel xserver-xorg-input-synaptics xserver-xorg xinit libgl1-mesa-dri xserver-xorg-video-intel - change to appropriate driver for you machine xserver-xorg-input-synaptics - perhaps does not need, if it is not laptop bgl1-mesa-dri - for 3D, optional See dmesg(1) for above first two points. Also, perhaps you need install xterm. I don't remember exactly, it is default terminal emulator for me. For errors, if X does not started, see ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/Xorg.0.log -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140511081532.GC9073@localhost
you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask
When copying and pasting some text from a text document into emacs, it starts out as - ╭ │Remember, most breast lumps are not cancerous, but you don't know if you don't ask. ╰ but appears as - ╭ │Remember, most breast lumps are not cancerous, but you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask ╰ As I've experimented, I've found that if I copy from a pdf in "evince" this is the original text ╭ │Injection = £ 23.69 (US $ 44.53) ╰ Which when pasted gives ╭ │Injection = \u2194 23.69 (US \u2729 44.53) ╰ So when it can't read something, it gives it its numeric coding. The font being used is "DejaVu Sans Mono" which is emacs default. So what font can render those symbols correctly from the clipboard and is the same size as the present font? I've tried "Ubuntu" and also "Times New Roman" but both failed the test. And I can't find anything about it in google either. But is there a system-wide solution, just in case it starts happening in some other programme please? Sharon. -- A taste of linux = http://www.sharons.org.uk my git repo = https://bitbucket.org/boudiccas/dots TGmeds = http://www.tgmeds.org.uk Debian testing, Fluxbox 1.3.5, emacs 24.3.90.1 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Default & supported service manager in Wheezy
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2014-05-10 22:40 +0200, Tom H wrote: >> On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 2:19 AM, Mihamina Rakotomandimby >> wrote: >>> A long time ago, when I was young ;-), services used to be managed with >>> "invoke-rc.d" & "update-rc.d" on Debian. >> >> I've never understood why, but "invoke-rc.d" and "update-rc.d" are >> meant for maintainer scripts not users. > > This is true for invoke-rc.d, but not for update-rc.d. It is perfectly > fine for the sysadmin to call "update-rc.d disable|enable foo", but not > "update-rc.d remove foo". Didn't I say in my post: There's an RFE for it to include a wrapper around "update-rc.d enable|disable"? >>> Know playing with several distributions, some use "service", "sysctl", >>> "systemctl", and some of them are mentionned for managing services in >>> Debian. >> >> "service" is a wrapper around "invoke-rc.d". > > Really? If I take a look at /sbin/service, it does not call invoke-rc.d. >> >> "systemctl" is systemd's service manager but it handles sysvinit init >> scripts when they don't have a systemd equivalent, AFAIK by handing >> over to update-rc.d/invoke-rc.d. > > It's the other way around, invoke-rc.d calls systemctl for various > actions if it detects that systemd is PID 1. It was a long day and was too tired to think clearly. service doesn't call invoke-rc.d (or update-rc.d for that matter, at least not yet). systemctl doesn't call invoke-rc.d/update-rc.d for sysvinit scripts. (I assume that it handles them directly in the same way that it handles them in other distros.) And service/invoke-rc.d/update-rc.d hand over to systemctl when called for systemd services. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAOdo=swlomuhrupw3ejnw2pzcorrfgwiggfhhs7hcxtodz1...@mail.gmail.com
Re: you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask
On 11/05/14 17:06, Sharon Kimble wrote: > When copying and pasting some text from a text document into > emacs, it starts out as - ╭ │Remember, most breast lumps are > not cancerous, but you don't know if you don't ask. ╰ > > but appears as - ╭ │Remember, most breast lumps are not > cancerous, but you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask ╰ > > As I've experimented, I've found that if I copy from a pdf in > "evince" this is the original text ╭ │Injection = £ 23.69 (US > $ 44.53) ╰ > > Which when pasted gives ╭ │Injection = \u2194 23.69 (US \u2729 > 44.53) ╰ > > So when it can't read something, it gives it its numeric coding. > > The font being used is "DejaVu Sans Mono" which is emacs default. > So what font can render those symbols correctly from the clipboard > and is the same size as the present font? I've tried "Ubuntu" and > also "Times New Roman" but both failed the test. And I can't find > anything about it in google either. > > But is there a system-wide solution, just in case it starts > happening in some other programme please? > > Sharon. > Try enabling utf (it's the "in" thing). Kind regards -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536f3692.6010...@gmail.com
Can't boot after harddrive replacement
Hi Old disk was 300GB and failing. New is 1TB. I replaced the old harddrive and made few steps to copy the system back to the new drive (see below). Obviously I missed something as the system does not boot. BIOS comes up alright. I'd appreciate any help in identifying what needs to be done. My hope is to avoid reinstalling and reconfiguring the system altogether. I guess that I overlooked something with the boot files, but what and how to remedy this? Summary of steps 1. Using rsync -aHq I backed up most of the file system (excluding /proc, /sys, /run, /srv, and /tmp) 2. After replacing the harddrive, I used the live cd, to manually set up the partition table with the same logical structure as the old one: /dev/sda1 : boot (ext2). Boot flag was set 'on'. /dev/sda2 : root (ext3) /dev/sda3 : swap /dev/sda5 - /dev/sda9 : physical volumes making up a single volume group. (name: "vg"). I prepared separate logical volumes (in "vg") to store the would-be /usr, /usr/local, /home, /tmp, and /var trees, and several other private file-trees. 3. Using the backup and rsync I populated the would be file-trees /boot, /, /usr, /usr/local, and /home. 4. Reboot, eject live cd: BIOS comes up, but nothing follows. Thanks in advance, Itay
Re: Debian Linux 7 and Realtek soundcards
On Sun, 11 May 2014 14:53:06 +0800 (WST) Bret Busby wrote: > > I am therefore wondering whether, somewhere, packages exist (.deb > packages, that make installation relatively easy for those of us not > skilled "in the black arts"), for the hardware drivers that may be on > the firmware ISO's. Firmware is not the same as driver. Firmware is code that needs the be present in the hardware device itself. Sometimes this firmware is build to the device and sometimes the driver needs to load the firmware into the device each time. The driver on the other is part of the kernel. So, the fact that sound doesn't work can be because of a missing driver instead of missing firmware. If this is new hardware, there is a chance that the kernel in the stable release doesn't have a driver for your soundcard. You can try to upgrade your kernel to a more recent versions from backports (see backports.debian.org). If it still doesn't work, check $ lsusb | grep -i audio to get more details on what sound card is installed. Then you can do a targeted search for that card. > > I do not know whether the firmware ISO's allow a user to choose which > desktop environment is installed, You don't need the sound during the installation, so there is no need to use the firmware iso just for that. If it was your network card that wasn't working, it's another matter, as it's hard to do a netinstall without net :), which is why there is a netinstall iso with firmware. > and the procedure that I found, for > dealing with the .tar.bz files from the Realtek web site, seem too > complicated. > That's almost never needed. In Linux, the drivers are integrated in the kernel. You can never just install a binary driver from a separate site like you do on windows. If there is a separate driver, it will be a source patch which has to be recompiled specifically for the kernel you are running. So, in short, just try if a more recent kernel fixes it first. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140511105519.1f187...@orac.fil
Re: you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask
On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 06:36:34PM +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: > On 11/05/14 17:06, Sharon Kimble wrote: > > But is there a system-wide solution, just in case it starts > > happening in some other programme please? > > Try enabling utf (it's the "in" thing). IOW, what is the output of the 'locale' command? If there is no UTF component in the string, e.g. en_NZ.UTF-8 then issue 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' as root, and choose the UTF variant. -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140511092022.GB32071@tal
Cron 101: Cron message "/bin/sh: root: command not found"
List good morning, I do regret asking such a basic question about cron, but I cannot seem to get rid of what I think is a mis-configured entry, somewhere. We have a server running Lenny (still), its role is solely to provide a network file system. Every 17 mins past the hour, root is sending an email with this title: Cron root cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly and content: /bin/sh: root: command not found In /etc/cron.d there are only files for anacron and mdadm; neither of these have entries for every 17 mins past the hour. In /etc/cron.hourly there is only an empty .placeholder file. I've tried commenting out relevant entries in /etc/crontab, but without effect. /etc/crontab contains: # was executing 'root' so commented out; still error messages # 17 * * * * cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly and, as a last resort a couple of days ago: # disabled because of multiple error messages in email but no effect # 17 * * * * rootcd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly Hourly email messages still occur. I would guess this second crontab entry was - in practice - ok, and perhaps I should re-enable it for system purposes, anyway. I checked /etc/anacrontab in case it could be involved, it seems not to contain any cron.hourly entries, nor entries at the relevant time: SHELL=/bin/sh PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin # These replace cron's entries 1 5 cron.daily nice run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily 7 10 cron.weekly nice run-parts --report /etc/cron.weekly @monthly15 cron.monthly nice run-parts --report /etc/cron.monthly I'm missing some aspect of cron configuration, or perhaps some other cron file somewhere. root doesn't have a /home directory, so there isn't a crontab in it, and the only user existing on the system doesn't have a crontab in its home directory, either. I enjoy mysteries. This one is beginning to frustrate, though. I've misunderstood something about cron, but what is it? regards, Ron -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536f44db.2030...@tesco.net
Re: Problems getting Debian DVD to work (Re: Confusion)
On Vi, 09 mai 14, 19:50:18, Steve Litt wrote: > > > I think John is asking whether Josh burned the ISO file onto the DVD > > rather than (correctly) the DVD image contained in the ISO file. > > Thanks Testosticore, > > At this point, I think we should all forget I asked that question, > because neither your explanation nor Joel Rees' explanation caused me > to understand this distinction, and yet: > > 1) It seems like everyone else understands it > > 2) In spite of my complete unknowledge of the difference between these >two words, I can convert an iso or a udf to an optical disc, and I >can convert an optical disc to an iso or udf (as appropriate), so my >mental block isn't hurting me. Let me try to explain it: - if you do it right, when mounting the disk you will see a bunch of files and/or directories (assuming a Debian .iso) - if you do it wrong, when mounting the disk you will see just an .iso file Hope this explains, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: minimal X.org xserver installation on Debian Wheezy
On Sun 11 May 2014 at 00:29:55 +, Martin T wrote: > I installed Debian Wheezy with no desktop environment as I would like > to use lightweight dwm window manager instead. However, as a first > step, I need to install xserver. I would like to install minimal > components needed for running the xserver. What are the exact > components(binaries, libraries, configuration files, etc) needed to > run xserver? Obviously xinit(starts X server session), but what else? > Or are the components needed for running xserver so scattered that > practically one needs to install xserver-xorg package which will > handle all the dependencies needed? If my notes are accurate ; from the last time I did it: xinit xserver-org xserver-xorg-input-kbd xserver-xorg-input-mouse xserver-xorg-video-radeon xserver-xorg-video-ati I'm fairly sure I installed the Recommends:. You may need to have different video packages. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/11052014103700.cece6f73b...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Avoiding systemd
Le 10/05/2014 21:49, Cameron Norman a écrit : > Greetings John, > > El Sat, 10 de May 2014 a las 9:05 AM, John > escribió: >> After following the discussions of systemd (including everything on >> debian-devel), I find myself appalled at the rude and domineering >> attitudes of almost all systemd's defenders. I don't trust them. >> Accordingly, I'd like to keep systemd off my machine (sid) to the >> extent practical until things have had quite a while to shake out. Is >> it sufficient to install systemd-shim and add one or all of these >> stanzas to /etc/apt/preferences? If just one, which? > >> Package: systemd Pin: origin * Pin-Priority: -100 > > The systemd package includes a ton of software, including what I think > is four daemons that are necessary for a modern Linux desktop > (timedated, hostnamed, localed, and (most importantly) logind). You > will need to install this package usually. Could you explain in what they are necessary ? I have none of them, in what is my linux not "modern" ? And why should we be "modern" ? >> Package: systemd-sysv Pin: origin * Pin-Priority: -100 > > This is probably the only thing you are going to need if you want to > make sure you do not run systemd as pid 1. (Unless your friend changes > your grub command line :). If you have systemd-shim installed, then > this pin should never have to take effect, but if somebody decides > that systemd-shim is not a suitable replacement for systemd-sysv with > regards to their package's needs, then the update of that person's > package will be held back until you manually interven I have none of them it works. However how could I be sure that my disabled services will stay as is (but I am still able to start them manually), same thing for my policy-rc.d script, what will happen of it. > >> Package: libpam-systemd Pin: origin * Pin-Priority: -100 > > I think this is a dependency of poke it polkit. I am not sure why, but > I assume there is good reason for it. Anyway, you are probably going > to need it. If you have systemd-shim installed, then libpam-systemd > will do fine w/o systemd as PID 1. > >> Thanks for practical help. I'm not looking for more flames. > > I hope I was able to help. Please do not assume bad faith by the > systemd maintainers + proponents, though; that is toxic. > > I just say I do not see any advantages in systemd, but that it will breaks many working configuration (last I heard of : systemld won't work with a standard fstab if you use nfs you must use systemd specific options : for me it is a serious bug (breaks other packages). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536f42be.4090...@rail.eu.org
Re: Cron 101: Cron message "/bin/sh: root: command not found"
Am Sonntag, 11. Mai 2014, 10:37:31 schrieb Ron Leach: > List good morning, Hi Ron, > I do regret asking such a basic question about cron, but I cannot seem > to get rid of what I think is a mis-configured entry, somewhere. > > We have a server running Lenny (still), its role is solely to provide > a network file system. Every 17 mins past the hour, root is sending > an email with this title: > > Cron root cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly > > and content: > > /bin/sh: root: command not found This means that a cron job tries to run the command "root" which does not exist. > In /etc/cron.d there are only files for anacron and mdadm; neither of > these have entries for every 17 mins past the hour. > > In /etc/cron.hourly there is only an empty .placeholder file. > > I've tried commenting out relevant entries in /etc/crontab, but > without effect. /etc/crontab contains: > > # was executing 'root' so commented out; still error messages > # 17 * * * * cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly > > and, as a last resort a couple of days ago: > > # disabled because of multiple error messages in email but no effect > # 17 * * * * rootcd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly Look into - /etc/cron.d - crontab -l It would not make much sense, but maybe someone added a call to /etc/cron.hourly there. Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/4503143.MZaMq2lnWk@merkaba
Re: Confusion
On Sat 10 May 2014 at 18:03:35 -0700, Joshua Anthony wrote: > For those who didn't notice, I downloaded the file twice, making two > CD's from the first download and one from the second - just in case > anything was corrupted. All the CD's can be opened and their contents > displayed - and all files in readable form can be read. Nobody missed seeing this. But what might have been appreciated was some response from you to the 20+ suggestions given in the other thread you started ; it would have allowed things to move on. Instead of which we get a portion of your life story. :) We still do not know at what stage the install failed and what came up on the screen at the time. The advice to boot from a USB stick is also good. Tried it? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/11052014105227.819b036f2...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Can't boot after harddrive replacement
Hi Itay, maybe it is a problem with the UUID. Just check on the new harddrive the file /etc/fstab, if there is an UUID set for the harddrive. If so, comment it out and set just an entry with /dev/sda1 (or whatever) fpor the required. Here is an example: # /dev/sda7 / ext3errors=remount-ro 0 1 UUID=da2bbacb-1b05-461e-8b72-9eef666b9bf6/ ext4 discard,noatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1 In this case, I commented the line beginning with "# /dev/sda7" out and the new active one is the line beginning with "UUID=da2bbacb..." For your needs, you should mount the partition with /etc/fstab on by using a live-file system like Knoppix, TRK, Debian-Live-file or similar and then edit /etc/fstab. Comment ALL lines beginning with UUID= and add the physical partition like in my example beginning with /dev/sdaX whatever. Then you should be able to reboot. I guess, you already have a bootloader installed, mostly grub or grub2. If not, Debian installer DVD may help, or use my favourite choice Super-Grub- Disk-2. Hope, this helps. Good luck! Best regards Hans -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/9932858.5ireMucmNy@protheus7
Re: minimal X.org xserver installation on Debian Wheezy
On Du, 11 mai 14, 10:43:14, Brian wrote: > On Sun 11 May 2014 at 00:29:55 +, Martin T wrote: > > > I installed Debian Wheezy with no desktop environment as I would like > > to use lightweight dwm window manager instead. However, as a first > > step, I need to install xserver. I would like to install minimal > > components needed for running the xserver. What are the exact > > components(binaries, libraries, configuration files, etc) needed to > > run xserver? Obviously xinit(starts X server session), but what else? > > Or are the components needed for running xserver so scattered that > > practically one needs to install xserver-xorg package which will > > handle all the dependencies needed? > > If my notes are accurate ; from the last time I did it: > > xinit > xserver-org Yes. > xserver-xorg-input-kbd > xserver-xorg-input-mouse These two have been replaced by xserver-xorg-input-evdev > xserver-xorg-video-radeon > xserver-xorg-video-ati > > I'm fairly sure I installed the Recommends:. You may need to have > different video packages. Last time I did this I also needed an xfonts- package, like xfonts-base, but since it is a Recommends: of xserver-common I will probably be pulled in if one doesn't disable them. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: minimal X.org xserver installation on Debian Wheezy
On 2014-05-11 11:43 +0200, Brian wrote: > On Sun 11 May 2014 at 00:29:55 +, Martin T wrote: > >> I installed Debian Wheezy with no desktop environment as I would like >> to use lightweight dwm window manager instead. However, as a first >> step, I need to install xserver. I would like to install minimal >> components needed for running the xserver. What are the exact >> components(binaries, libraries, configuration files, etc) needed to >> run xserver? Obviously xinit(starts X server session), but what else? >> Or are the components needed for running xserver so scattered that >> practically one needs to install xserver-xorg package which will >> handle all the dependencies needed? > > If my notes are accurate ; from the last time I did it: > > xinit > xserver-org > xserver-xorg-input-kbd > xserver-xorg-input-mouse Those are obsoleted by xserver-xorg-input-evdev. > xserver-xorg-video-radeon > xserver-xorg-video-ati > > I'm fairly sure I installed the Recommends:. You may need to have > different video packages. I would also install the -vesa and -fbdev packages in case there are problems with the native driver. Cheers, Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87k39sfwn2@turtle.gmx.de
Re: Can't boot after harddrive replacement
On Sun, May 11, 2014, at 01:03 PM, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: > Hi Itay, > > maybe it is a problem with the UUID. Just check on the new harddrive the > file > /etc/fstab, if there is an UUID set for the harddrive. > [snip] > > Comment ALL lines beginning with UUID= and add the physical partition > like in > my example beginning with /dev/sdaX whatever. > > Then you should be able to reboot. H... I neglected to mention in the list of actions taken that I did edit the would-be /etc/fstab -- exactly as you recommended. I was able to mount the new file systems (this was required for file copying). I will double check /etc/fstab just in case. > I guess, you already have a bootloader installed, mostly grub or grub2. > If > not, Debian installer DVD may help, or use my favourite choice > Super-Grub- > Disk-2. > Indeed I had grub2 installed. Given that I repopulated the new disk manually, by a series of rsync commands, I suspect that I failed copying some of the critical boot data. But how to identify that? Many thanks, Itay > Hope, this helps. Good luck! > > Best regards > > Hans > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: https://lists.debian.org/9932858.5ireMucmNy@protheus7 > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1399804163.15524.116028697.70e63...@webmail.messagingengine.com
Re: Confusion
On 11/05/14 11:01:30, Brian wrote: > it would have allowed things to move on. Instead of which > we get a portion of your life story. :) > > We still do not know at what stage the install failed and what came > up on the screen at the time. The advice to boot from a USB stick > is also good. Tried it? > It's not even clear to me that Joshua Anthony is the same person as the email address of the original post. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1399805060.9873.1@Kingston2
Re: Cron 101: Cron message "/bin/sh: root: command not found"
On Du, 11 mai 14, 10:37:31, Ron Leach wrote: > > I checked /etc/anacrontab in case it could be involved, it seems not to > contain any cron.hourly entries, nor entries at the relevant time: > > SHELL=/bin/sh > PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin > > # These replace cron's entries > 1 5 cron.daily nice run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily > 7 10 cron.weekly nice run-parts --report /etc/cron.weekly > @monthly15 cron.monthly nice run-parts --report > /etc/cron.monthly To make things simpler I would purge anacron, especially if this is a server that is (mostly) on. > I'm missing some aspect of cron configuration, or perhaps some other > cron > file somewhere. root doesn't have a /home directory, so there isn't a > crontab in it, and the only user existing on the system doesn't have a > crontab in its home directory, either. crontabs are *not* stored in home, but in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Can't boot after harddrive replacement
On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Itay wrote: > > On Sun, May 11, 2014, at 01:03 PM, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: >> Hi Itay, >> >> maybe it is a problem with the UUID. Just check on the new harddrive the >> file >> /etc/fstab, if there is an UUID set for the harddrive. >> > [snip] >> >> Comment ALL lines beginning with UUID= and add the physical partition >> like in >> my example beginning with /dev/sdaX whatever. >> >> Then you should be able to reboot. > > H... I neglected to mention in the list of actions taken that I did > edit the would-be /etc/fstab -- exactly as you recommended. > I was able to mount the new file systems (this was required for file > copying). > I will double check /etc/fstab just in case. > >> I guess, you already have a bootloader installed, mostly grub or grub2. >> If >> not, Debian installer DVD may help, or use my favourite choice >> Super-Grub- >> Disk-2. >> > > Indeed I had grub2 installed. > Given that I repopulated the new disk manually, by a series of rsync > commands, I suspect that I failed copying some of the critical boot > data. But how to identify that? This seems like a kind of obvious question, but can you still mount the old drive to run recursive diffs? start with /boot and /etc, for instance. Another thing you need to check is whether rsync successfully replicated the metadata appropriately. Some essential servers will refuse to run if the permissions are too loose or the owner:group is incorrect. -- Joel Rees Be careful where you see conspiracy. Look first in your own heart. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAAr43iM8ReiOgVidwmHGyW4+WXV=vgd2hl+b3u1nhxgkvo_...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Cron 101: Cron message "/bin/sh: root: command not found"
On Sun, 11 May 2014 10:37:31 +0100 Ron Leach wrote: > I'm missing some aspect of cron configuration, or perhaps some other > cron file somewhere. root doesn't have a /home directory, so there > isn't a crontab in it, and the only user existing on the system > doesn't have a crontab in its home directory, either. > Look in /var/spool/cron/crontabs. That is the location of the per-user crontabs. If someone copied the line 17 * * * * rootcd / && run-parts--report /etc/cron.hourly in there, you would get the error you mentioned, because root will be interpretet as the command to run, because these crontabs have a different format. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140511124340.7ef7a...@orac.fil
Re: Cron 101: Cron message "/bin/sh: root: command not found"
On 11/05/2014 10:48, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Look into - /etc/cron.d - crontab -l It would not make much sense, but maybe someone added a call to /etc/cron.hourly there. server4:/# crontab -l # /etc/crontab: system-wide crontab # Unlike any other crontab you don't have to run the `crontab' # command to install the new version when you edit this file # and files in /etc/cron.d. These files also have username fields, # that none of the other crontabs do. SHELL=/bin/sh PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin # m h dom mon dow user command 17 ** * * rootcd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly 25 6* * * roottest -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily ) 47 6* * 7 roottest -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.weekly ) 52 61 * * roottest -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.monthly ) # # 24 10 * * * ron rdiff-backup --print-statistics -v3 /nfs ron@server5::/sata1tb/backup/filestorebak # 24 13 * * * ron rdiff-backup --print-statistics -v3 /nfs ron@server5::/sata1tb/backup/filestorebak # 24 16 * * * ron rdiff-backup --print-statistics -v3 /nfs ron@server5::/sata1tb/backup/filestorebak # 24 19 * * * ron rdiff-backup --print-statistics -v3 /nfs ron@server5::/sata1tb/backup/filestorebak # # How very odd. That isn't the content of /etc/crontab . That's the content of a much earlier cron arrangement we had before we reconfigured some of the servers, a couple of years ago. It also does not contain our existing nfs backup cronjob (which regularly runs happily and sends a confirming email). So this output of crontab -l is *not* /etc/crontab. *Neither* is it reporting all the current cron jobs that run. /etc/cron.d only contains anacron and mdadm; the anacron entry is for 07:30 every day (so not causing our hourly problem) and mdadm is a monthly check. Grateful for the tip, Martin. EDIT: I see from Andrei's and Filip's replies that this report may be picking up root's crontab from /var/spool/cron/crontabs . Ron -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536f56aa.2050...@tesco.net
Re: Cron 101: Cron message "/bin/sh: root: command not found"
On 11/05/2014 11:43, Filip wrote: On Sun, 11 May 2014 10:37:31 +0100 Ron Leach wrote: I'm missing some aspect of cron configuration, or perhaps some other cron file somewhere. root doesn't have a /home directory, so there isn't a crontab in it, and the only user existing on the system doesn't have a crontab in its home directory, either. Look in /var/spool/cron/crontabs. That is the location of the per-user crontabs. If someone copied the line 17 * * * * rootcd /&& run-parts--report /etc/cron.hourly in there, you would get the error you mentioned, because root will be interpretet as the command to run, because these crontabs have a different format. First, thank you and Andrei for removing the 'mystery' of where the other crontabs are; relieved, thank you both. /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root indeed contains exactly the error you mention: # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE - edit the master and reinstall. # (/tmp/crontab.jE2KHC/crontab installed on Fri Dec 31 08:54:50 2010) # (Cron version -- $Id: crontab.c,v 2.13 1994/01/17 03:20:37 vixie Exp $) # /etc/crontab: system-wide crontab # Unlike any other crontab you don't have to run the `crontab' # command to install the new version when you edit this file # and files in /etc/cron.d. These files also have username fields, # that none of the other crontabs do. SHELL=/bin/sh PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin # m h dom mon dow user command 17 ** * * rootcd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly Filip, the comment suggests that I shouldn't edit this file here. Do you have any idea where, or what, its 'master' version might be? When we first built the server, we used webmin to obtain some visibility of system administration things, and we did use webmin's cron management facility. We long ceased doing so, the current regular backups are written directly into /etc/crontab, for example. But I mention webmin in case it might have placed that warning in this file. If so, then I'm happy changing root's crontab here because we don't use webmin any more, anyway, and it won't change this file. But, if this file is managed from somewhere else, changing the file here would probably be the wrong thing to do. regards, Ron -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536f5a03.4010...@tesco.net
Re: Cron 101: Cron message "/bin/sh: root: command not found"
On Du, 11 mai 14, 11:53:30, Ron Leach wrote: > > server4:/# crontab -l > # /etc/crontab: system-wide crontab I seriously doubt that. [...] > How very odd. > That isn't the content of /etc/crontab . Since it seems like you executed 'crontab -l' as root is seems like it is the crontab of the 'root' user. > EDIT: I see from Andrei's and Filip's replies that this report may be > picking up root's crontab from /var/spool/cron/crontabs . Looks like it. You could (as root): crontab -l > root_crontab crontab -r and see if you still get the error. Later you can diff the root_crontab file with /etc/crontab and see if there's anything useful in there to migrate to the real system-wide crontab. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Cron 101: Cron message "/bin/sh: root: command not found"
On Sun, 11 May 2014 12:07:47 +0100 Ron Leach wrote: > > Filip, the comment suggests that I shouldn't edit this file here. Do > you have any idea where, or what, its 'master' version might be? The correct way to edit the per-user crontabs it with # crontab -u -e -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140511131352.29880...@orac.fil
Re: Cron 101: Cron message "/bin/sh: root: command not found"
Am Sonntag, 11. Mai 2014, 11:53:30 schrieb Ron Leach: > On 11/05/2014 10:48, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Look into > > > > - /etc/cron.d > > - crontab -l > > > > It would not make much sense, but maybe someone added a call to > > /etc/cron.hourly there. > > server4:/# crontab -l > # /etc/crontab: system-wide crontab > # Unlike any other crontab you don't have to run the `crontab' > # command to install the new version when you edit this file > # and files in /etc/cron.d. These files also have username fields, > # that none of the other crontabs do. > > SHELL=/bin/sh > PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin > > # m h dom mon dow user command > 17 ** * * rootcd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly Gotcha. > How very odd. > That isn't the content of /etc/crontab . No, but of > EDIT: I see from Andrei's and Filip's replies that this report may be > picking up root's crontab from /var/spool/cron/crontabs . as crontab -l displays :) crontab is for editing, listing, removing user crontabs, including the user crontab of the root user. Ciao, -- Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1499292.CrjjCInt3b@merkaba
Re: you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask
Scott Ferguson writes: > On 11/05/14 17:06, Sharon Kimble wrote: >> When copying and pasting some text from a text document into >> emacs, it starts out as - ╭ │Remember, most breast lumps are >> not cancerous, but you don't know if you don't ask. ╰ >> >> but appears as - ╭ │Remember, most breast lumps are not >> cancerous, but you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask ╰ >> >> As I've experimented, I've found that if I copy from a pdf in >> "evince" this is the original text ╭ │Injection = £ 23.69 (US >> $ 44.53) ╰ >> >> Which when pasted gives ╭ │Injection = \u2194 23.69 (US \u2729 >> 44.53) ╰ >> >> So when it can't read something, it gives it its numeric coding. >> >> The font being used is "DejaVu Sans Mono" which is emacs default. >> So what font can render those symbols correctly from the clipboard >> and is the same size as the present font? I've tried "Ubuntu" and >> also "Times New Roman" but both failed the test. And I can't find >> anything about it in google either. >> >> But is there a system-wide solution, just in case it starts >> happening in some other programme please? >> >> Sharon. >> > > Try enabling utf (it's the "in" thing). > Already done that. Sharon. -- A taste of linux = http://www.sharons.org.uk my git repo = https://bitbucket.org/boudiccas/dots TGmeds = http://www.tgmeds.org.uk Debian testing, Fluxbox 1.3.5, emacs 24.3.90.1 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Can't boot after harddrive replacement
On Sun, May 11, 2014, at 01:39 PM, Joel Rees wrote: > On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Itay wrote: [snip] > > Indeed I had grub2 installed. > > Given that I repopulated the new disk manually, by a series of rsync > > commands, I suspect that I failed copying some of the critical boot > > data. But how to identify that? > > This seems like a kind of obvious question, but can you still mount > the old drive to run recursive diffs? start with /boot and /etc, for > instance. > Hi, It's a small form factor computer so I can install only one hard drive at a time. The diff would have to be done in two steps: old vs. backup, and then backup vs. new hdd. So it will take time until I have results. > Another thing you need to check is whether rsync successfully > replicated the metadata appropriately. Some essential servers will > refuse to run if the permissions are too loose or the owner:group is > incorrect. IIRC diff should be able to report on differences in file meta data. Please note that it's a home desktop: no special services are running; I did not impose (knowingly) any security steps beyond the defaults provided during installation. (Unfortunately I am far from being experienced system-administrator -- I am merely a user who likes using debian at home...) Many thanks, Itay > -- > Joel Rees > > Be careful where you see conspiracy. > Look first in your own heart. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: > https://lists.debian.org/CAAr43iM8ReiOgVidwmHGyW4+WXV=vgd2hl+b3u1nhxgkvo_...@mail.gmail.com > -- Itay Furman it...@fastmail.fm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1399806531.22827.116034109.4379b...@webmail.messagingengine.com
Re: you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask
Chris Bannister writes: > On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 06:36:34PM +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: >> On 11/05/14 17:06, Sharon Kimble wrote: >> > But is there a system-wide solution, just in case it starts >> > happening in some other programme please? >> >> Try enabling utf (it's the "in" thing). > > IOW, what is the output of the 'locale' command? > If there is no UTF component in the string, e.g. en_NZ.UTF-8 then issue > 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' as root, and choose the UTF variant. --8<---cut here---start->8--- locale LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 LANGUAGE=en_GB:en LC_CTYPE="en_GB.UTF-8" LC_NUMERIC="en_GB.UTF-8" LC_TIME="en_GB.UTF-8" LC_COLLATE="en_GB.UTF-8" LC_MONETARY="en_GB.UTF-8" LC_MESSAGES="en_GB.UTF-8" LC_PAPER="en_GB.UTF-8" LC_NAME="en_GB.UTF-8" LC_ADDRESS="en_GB.UTF-8" LC_TELEPHONE="en_GB.UTF-8" LC_MEASUREMENT="en_GB.UTF-8" LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_GB.UTF-8" --8<---cut here---end--->8--- Sharon. -- A taste of linux = http://www.sharons.org.uk my git repo = https://bitbucket.org/boudiccas/dots TGmeds = http://www.tgmeds.org.uk Debian testing, Fluxbox 1.3.5, emacs 24.3.90.1 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask
On Sun, 11 May 2014 12:23:19 +0100
Sharon Kimble wrote:
> Chris Bannister writes:
>
> --8<---cut here---start->8---
> locale
> LANG=en_GB.UTF-8
> LANGUAGE=en_GB:en
> LC_CTYPE="en_GB.UTF-8"
> LC_NUMERIC="en_GB.UTF-8"
> LC_TIME="en_GB.UTF-8"
> LC_COLLATE="en_GB.UTF-8"
> LC_MONETARY="en_GB.UTF-8"
> LC_MESSAGES="en_GB.UTF-8"
> LC_PAPER="en_GB.UTF-8"
> LC_NAME="en_GB.UTF-8"
> LC_ADDRESS="en_GB.UTF-8"
> LC_TELEPHONE="en_GB.UTF-8"
> LC_MEASUREMENT="en_GB.UTF-8"
> LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_GB.UTF-8"
> --8<---cut here---end--->8---
>
> Sharon.
And 'locale -a' also shows en_GB.UTF-8 ?
Does the problem only occur when you paste into emacs ?
Is there something special in your .emacs file ? Try starting emacs
without init file ('emacs -q').
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Re: minimal X.org xserver installation on Debian Wheezy
On Sun 11 May 2014 at 13:14:28 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Du, 11 mai 14, 10:43:14, Brian wrote: > > > xserver-xorg-input-kbd > > xserver-xorg-input-mouse > > These two have been replaced by xserver-xorg-input-evdev Thanks. I did have -evdev because it is a Depends: of xserver-xorg. -kbd and -mouse are now purged, which gives me about 300K of disk space back. > > xserver-xorg-video-radeon > > xserver-xorg-video-ati > > > > I'm fairly sure I installed the Recommends:. You may need to have > > different video packages. > > Last time I did this I also needed an xfonts- package, like xfonts-base, > but since it is a Recommends: of xserver-common I will probably be > pulled in if one doesn't disable them. After looking at the machine I'm now certain I didn't use recommended packages. There is no xfonts- package and (for what I use the machine for) there do not seem to be any ill-effects. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/11052014123428.945146821...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask
Sharon Kimble writes: > Chris Bannister writes: > >> On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 06:36:34PM +1000, Scott Ferguson wrote: >>> On 11/05/14 17:06, Sharon Kimble wrote: >>> > But is there a system-wide solution, just in case it starts >>> > happening in some other programme please? >>> >>> Try enabling utf (it's the "in" thing). >> >> IOW, what is the output of the 'locale' command? >> If there is no UTF component in the string, e.g. en_NZ.UTF-8 then issue >> 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' as root, and choose the UTF variant. > locale > LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 > LANGUAGE=en_GB:en > LC_CTYPE="en_GB.UTF-8" > LC_NUMERIC="en_GB.UTF-8" > LC_TIME="en_GB.UTF-8" > LC_COLLATE="en_GB.UTF-8" > LC_MONETARY="en_GB.UTF-8" > LC_MESSAGES="en_GB.UTF-8" > LC_PAPER="en_GB.UTF-8" > LC_NAME="en_GB.UTF-8" > LC_ADDRESS="en_GB.UTF-8" > LC_TELEPHONE="en_GB.UTF-8" > LC_MEASUREMENT="en_GB.UTF-8" > LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_GB.UTF-8" > I've just left-clicked on the large 'U' in the mode-line, and this is what it told me - --8<---cut here---start->8--- U -- utf-8-unix (alias: mule-utf-8-unix) UTF-8 (no signature (BOM)) Type: utf-8 (UTF-8: Emacs internal multibyte form) EOL type: LF This coding system encodes the following charsets: unicode --8<---cut here---end--->8--- and that is the encoding of my troublesome document. Still doesn't explain why its going wrong though. Sharon. -- A taste of linux = http://www.sharons.org.uk my git repo = https://bitbucket.org/boudiccas/dots TGmeds = http://www.tgmeds.org.uk Debian testing, Fluxbox 1.3.5, emacs 24.3.90.1 signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: minimal X.org xserver installation on Debian Wheezy
On Sun 11 May 2014 at 12:16:33 +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2014-05-11 11:43 +0200, Brian wrote: > > > > > If my notes are accurate ; from the last time I did it: > > > > xinit > > xserver-org > > xserver-xorg-input-kbd > > xserver-xorg-input-mouse > > Those are obsoleted by xserver-xorg-input-evdev. Thank you. > > xserver-xorg-video-radeon > > xserver-xorg-video-ati > > > > I'm fairly sure I installed the Recommends:. You may need to have > > different video packages. > > I would also install the -vesa and -fbdev packages in case there are > problems with the native driver. Even though I've experienced no problems I suppose I could install them. After all, I now have a free 300K of space after purging -kbd and -mouse. :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/11052014124714.47ed4e857...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk
Re: Can't boot after harddrive replacement
On 05/11/2014 05:46 AM, Itay wrote: > Old disk was 300GB and failing. New is 1TB. > I replaced the old harddrive and made few steps to copy the system > back to the new drive (see below). > Obviously I missed something as the system does not boot. BIOS comes > up alright. > > > I guess that I overlooked something with the boot files, but what and > how to remedy this? > Did you reinstall grub (or whatever bootloader you use)? You need something like # grub-install /dev/sda to install the bootloader to the MBR. An rsync would not copy that. -- A prediction is worth twenty explanations. -- K. Brecher Eduardo M KALINOWSKI edua...@kalinowski.com.br
Re: Cron 101: Cron message "/bin/sh: root: command not found"
On Du, 11 mai 14, 12:07:47, Ron Leach wrote: > > /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root indeed contains exactly the error you mention: > > # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE - edit the master and reinstall. > # (/tmp/crontab.jE2KHC/crontab installed on Fri Dec 31 08:54:50 2010) > # (Cron version -- $Id: crontab.c,v 2.13 1994/01/17 03:20:37 vixie Exp $) > # /etc/crontab: system-wide crontab > # Unlike any other crontab you don't have to run the `crontab' > # command to install the new version when you edit this file > # and files in /etc/cron.d. These files also have username fields, > # that none of the other crontabs do. > > SHELL=/bin/sh > PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin > > # m h dom mon dow user command > 17 ** * * rootcd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.hourly > > Filip, the comment suggests that I shouldn't edit this file here. Actually you have no way of knowing this. That part could have just been copy-pasted by someone mistaking root's crontab with the system crontab (/etc/crontab). The presence of a 'user' field seems to support this. My suggestion still stands: keep the content of root's crontab somewhere (just in case), but remove it. Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: How to get a log of fsck on boot partition when using systemd-sysv
Am 11.05.2014 09:35, schrieb Sven Joachim: > Something like "journalctl -b | grep systemd-fsck". I haven't figured > out how to get "journalctl -u" to work here. That, or something like systemctl status systemd-fsck-root.service or systemctl status systemd-fsck@.service works for me as well. If you use systemctl status systemd-fsck@ autocompeltion will help you with choosing the right device name, *but* make sure to properly quote the string, if it contains \, ie. either put it in "" or use \\ instead of single \. HTH, Michael -- Why is it that all of the instruments seeking intelligent life in the universe are pointed away from Earth? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
loss of I/O on some websites
Am getting frustrated. On the internet today there are so many sites that have taken on so much advertising that it is killing my desire to go to various sites. I mean specifically news sites. My box is a relatively new AMD quad core over 3 Gh, 16 Gb Ram and a video card w. 1 Gb memery on it, running Wheezy always updated and current. I go to some news sites and they have video start up and run while I'm still trying to get the page loaded and then trying to scroll the page my I/O (mouse and/or cursor keys) won't work or I have to wait for a video ad or more get done. Than someitmes w/o meaning to I scrolll over another ad and it starts running it's video and it starts all over again. Am I missing something in some an additional program I can install to help take over or as an addon to Eceweasel browser? This is really frustrating and I woiuld appreciate any help anyone can give. Thanks in advance for any help. Whit -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536f743d.1090...@comcast.net
Re: free space before the first and after the last partition if GPT partition scheme is used
Martin T wrote: > 2) Am I correct that boot loaders use their code on this area after > the primary GPT and before the first partition? No. Bootloaders store their code in a special "bios_grub" partition (type EF02) when using the CSM/BIOS boot mode or inside a EFI System partion when using EFI boot mode. There is no free space like in the MBR where the bootloaders store their code. The free space you are seeing is to align the partitions on 1MB boundaries. > 3) Are the last 689 sectors after the last partition used for storing > the backup GPT? No. This is for alignment as well. Grüße, S° -- Sigmentation fault. Core dumped. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2alqh8v9v...@mids.svenhartge.de
Re: Avoiding systemd
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 03:47:47PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > This one. > > The systemd package contains other dbus services that you don't want to try > to exclude from a desktop system; and libpam-systemd provides necessary > integration with policykit on those same systems. So basically what you say is Debian ended support for other init systems because whatever one chooses you pull in half the systemd? I was against all the systemd stuff because i saw this coming. There is no way to avoid the "userspace.exe" blob Debian is soon made of. Flo -- Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: loss of I/O on some websites
On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 08:59:41AM -0400, Whit Hansell wrote: > Am getting frustrated. On the internet today there are so many > sites that have taken on so much advertising that it is killing my > desire to go to various sites. I mean specifically news sites. > Maybe you already tried it, but just in case: AdBlock Plus (add on for Iceweasel)? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140511133056.ga10...@x60s.casa
Re: loss of I/O on some websites
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 05/11/2014 08:59 AM, Whit Hansell wrote: > Am getting frustrated. On the internet today there are so many sites > that have taken on so much advertising that it is killing my desire > to go to various sites. I mean specifically news sites. > > My box is a relatively new AMD quad core over 3 Gh, 16 Gb Ram and a > video card w. 1 Gb memery on it, running Wheezy always updated and > current. I go to some news sites and they have video start up and > run while I'm still trying to get the page loaded and then trying to > scroll the page my I/O (mouse and/or cursor keys) won't work or I > have to wait for a video ad or more get done. Than someitmes w/o > meaning to I scrolll over another ad and it starts running it's video > and it starts all over again. > > Am I missing something in some an additional program I can install to > help take over or as an addon to Eceweasel browser? This is really > frustrating and I woiuld appreciate any help anyone can give. Although this isn't particularly Debian-specific, assuming the video in question is in fact from ads rather than from intentional page content, it sounds like you want Adblock Plus. It's available from the official Mozilla add-ons Website: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/adblock-plus/ and is also available as a Debian package: apt-get install xul-ext-adblock-plus It's one of several add-ons which I consider an essential part of any Firefox / Iceweasel installation I'm going to actually use on a regular basis. For more complete and comprehensive blocking I also use NoScript, but that adds rather more hassle for making things continue to work, and it's not always necessary for this purpose. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTb3y4AAoJEASpNY00KDJrJn4P/jOV6Ft+GL7Zs1VaIUxGM+Lu DdUbCHfe+OfXL3b+Wk5ALPz7vEFCQsPJZtjxglGpVjpjrsYJlO5rXx2HhPcbhJWf c8mOlkSaSHGOUCE8QshQnyp/ZmRbN5WR+nhAw7AoiFzgXiapMPXiYgKZXf21FB+a YBDeaAC7yFoOOS44V2dxZF99WQhlKwXDLS+Y5YGzU/al2sAQDpumNoiRdwP/r+Ow BoqgatfRzme8fulflS2wZ4PaChtuOGf85rWllADG31zoxpq2qRGaKJkDTDZLMlwC lAoqr2J/jdjt3LSTJyJVWvzP4t5gRmShFo0Yhozfya4u//0YQygwmZgj+jBHuD9T R+9RhB0jFZJ9wcKLfh3QXWKc1ZKg7ORIyXw0bi3WTNDC80jT9dSiyb2ONU7S7F5s CFrYW6P9nXzrMHUEtxBfHyHDKZhvBJFscWx5XIV0uXuXoAUwm5swdWMUIGTVsv2M i5ZSQ5HjZj7adW+eG0RUUC6cx0e9yDfzpU3KIlw2de3Gcp0lgxcgiNYfh5aeViB5 19EuVJbD/xyexzLL8zPGkrt7gUElDkkiKw7Yz4A5ERVJzjNR6Xzr2bJmdnlzZQ/h 6wB36BqcxW7/63TNc+SNlLmYy12FRULKkg7kLVp+vzdp6QhoohgepEQ1xf2nWg7S 9Rv6D/K1dhEHaQzisodE =LigL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536f7cb8.4000...@fastmail.fm
Re: loss of I/O on some websites
On 11/05/14 22:59, Whit Hansell wrote: > Am getting frustrated. On the internet today there are so many sites > that have taken on so much advertising that it is killing my desire to > go to various sites. I mean specifically news sites. > > My box is a relatively new AMD quad core over 3 Gh, 16 Gb Ram and a > video card w. 1 Gb memery on it, running Wheezy always updated and > current. I go to some news sites and they have video start up and run > while I'm still trying to get the page loaded and then trying to scroll > the page my I/O (mouse and/or cursor keys) won't work or I have to wait > for a video ad or more get done. Than someitmes w/o meaning to I > scrolll over another ad and it starts running it's video and it starts > all over again. > > Am I missing something in some an additional program I can install to > help take over or as an addon to Eceweasel browser? This is really > frustrating and I woiuld appreciate any help anyone can give. > > > Thanks in advance for any help. > > Whit > > AdBlock Pro Why don't you have it? It'll reduce the amount of page you need to download ($ netstat --iinet will show you connections). :) You 'should' also have these installed:- NoScript FlashBlock It's All Text RightToClick Self-Destructing Cookies User-Agent Switcher Kind regards -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536f844b.9070...@gmail.com
Filespace exhaustion on '/' partition
List, We seem to have filled the available space on the '/' partition of our NFS server. Because most of the server's variable data is on separate partitions, I'm not sure what I could remove from '/' partition. df shows the problem, and the space available on the other partitions: server4:/# df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/md1 2919360 291932436 100% / tmpfs 512856 0512856 0% /lib/init/rw udev 10240 808 9432 8% /dev tmpfs 512856 0512856 0% /dev/shm /dev/md6 1892786624 1467249964 425536660 78% /nfs /dev/sda1 320310 15665287556 6% /boot /dev/sdb1 320310 15665287556 6% /boot2 /dev/md5 39043328 2431240 36612088 7% /home /dev/md4971648 4324967324 1% /tmp /dev/md2 9755264 1241512 8513752 13% /usr /dev/md3 4872448790660 4081788 17% /var server4:/# This is a live server, relied on by several desktop systems and, to a lesser extent, some other servers. The partition exported to the rest of the network is regularly backed up. Am I correct in thinking that I cannot, while running, shrink or grow any of the partitions? Presumably I could do that if the server was offline, perhaps by running a partition editor from a CD or USB stick, maybe? There is a GUI on this system but, aside from that, few if any 'applications'; we do run samba, but not apache, we run exim, and I notice that open office is installed (which will be long out of date, by now, anyway, and I'll remove). Are there any large-ish services that are believed to not always be necessary on a server, and whose removal might release a reasonable amount of space on '/'? regards, Ron -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536f8a42.90...@tesco.net
Re: Cron 101: SOLVED "/bin/sh: root: command not found"
On 11/05/2014 13:42, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Du, 11 mai 14, 12:07:47, Ron Leach wrote: /var/spool/cron/crontabs/root indeed contains exactly the error you mention: # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE - edit the master and reinstall. [ ... ] Filip, the comment suggests that I shouldn't edit this file here. Actually you have no way of knowing this. That part could have just been copy-pasted by someone mistaking root's crontab with the system crontab (/etc/crontab). The presence of a 'user' field seems to support this. My suggestion still stands: keep the content of root's crontab somewhere (just in case), but remove it. Andrei, I have not done what you suggest; instead I edited root's crontab and uncommented the error line, using the # crontab -u root -e command that Filip suggested. I did that in case the other sections of root's crontab were doing useful things. This change has stopped the hourly emails complaining about the command, so the immediate issue is solved. Earlier, I had tried to make a copy of the file as you suggested earlier (in case), but abandoned that because I've also encountered a filespace exhaustion, which I've (separately) just posted about. I've learnt two things from this thread: 'crontab' is a command, as well as a filename in /etc . I hadn't understood that. Additionally, there are 'user' crontabs in /var/spool/cron/crontabs . As someone said recently on another thread, there are a lot of knowledgeable people on this list, who give generously - and patiently - of their time; I'd like to thank the three of you for the help this morning. regards, Ron -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536f8ac3.1060...@tesco.net
Re: loss of I/O on some websites
Whit Hansell writes: > Am I missing something in some an additional program I can install to > help take over or as an addon to Iceweasel browser? This is really > frustrating and I woiuld appreciate any help anyone can give. Install Privoxy. It will block ads for and and all browsers. -- John Hasler jhas...@newsguy.com Elmwood, WI USA -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87vbtctm2d@thumper.dhh.gt.org
One of those threads, old stuff: was Confusion
On Sun, 11 May 2014 15:13:21 +0900 Joel Rees wrote: > On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Joshua Anthony > wrote: [clip] > > I confess to much ignorance of technical detail - despite 45 years > > as a computer support engineer, programmer and technical writer, I > > still find a lot of stuff hard to grasp. ie. I am old and lazy and > > think GUI is a gift from heaven. So would you, if you'd started out > > punching ten words of machine code onto paper tape in order to > > start up a mainframe system - long before there was any form of > > visual display. > > Hey can we start one of those those threads? I think the > teletype/paper tape terminal we used in high school to interface with > the IMSAI box we built. (Much gratitude to a teacher who used a lot of > his own money to make that possible for us.) So you've got me beat by > about ten years. But, yeah, Univac 1100 with punched card readers and > less main memory than my M6800 prototyping board, my first year in the > community college's EDP courses. IBM System 34 at my summer job. Oh, there we go! I was late to the party, so my first computer was a Heathkit ET6800 Microprocessor Trainer: http://www.troubleshooters.com/lpm/200610/200610.htm#_Computers_Ive_Known_and_Loved SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140511104147.4339b932@mydesk
Re: One of those threads, old stuff: was Confusion
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 05/11/2014 10:41 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sun, 11 May 2014 15:13:21 +0900 Joel Rees > wrote: > >> On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Joshua Anthony >> wrote: >>> I confess to much ignorance of technical detail - despite 45 >>> years as a computer support engineer, programmer and technical >>> writer, I still find a lot of stuff hard to grasp. ie. I am old >>> and lazy and think GUI is a gift from heaven. So would you, if >>> you'd started out punching ten words of machine code onto paper >>> tape in order to start up a mainframe system - long before there >>> was any form of visual display. >> >> Hey can we start one of those those threads? I think the >> teletype/paper tape terminal we used in high school to interface >> with the IMSAI box we built. (Much gratitude to a teacher who used >> a lot of his own money to make that possible for us.) So you've got >> me beat by about ten years. But, yeah, Univac 1100 with punched >> card readers and less main memory than my M6800 prototyping board, >> my first year in the community college's EDP courses. IBM System 34 >> at my summer job. > > Oh, there we go! I was late to the party, so my first computer was a > Heathkit ET6800 Microprocessor Trainer: > > http://www.troubleshooters.com/lpm/200610/200610.htm#_Computers_Ive_Known_and_Loved The first computer I remember actually using was either an Apple //c or a blocky integrated-monochrome-monitor Macintosh. Unless you count my few and poor attempts (at an age not above, and probably fairly low in, the single digits) to play video games on what amounts, in modern terms, to a Texas Instruments video-game console. I don't recall what it was called, but I believe it was cartridge-based... I didn't get into computers far enough to know any of the details of what I was working with until much later, sometime in the early oughts. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTb44mAAoJEASpNY00KDJrdkAP/A8+VKG+VeoWtEA3JT27zI2g JVlrzh5oA+uFSifIxj4/Q541uLQXBFXhsnLpFIQ4hXaFcIU3bkUeKLlhklTbwI8h CK46J+GRMLOXYDDNnJhXg9QNVdDNhTumo8Aw+9E0azbFr7abtr3gTdI6i0CbqK3h 49WHv3fpg9/+fcnoiFbKJgV2kMdUPKD4N5F6Kfp1E4oxmKnDzcwJs9qYH0Oty8BO VzGNQsdfNoX0DkEOU6J1EmzohBhZekIqOGr8JileMb9E1JlSRXKod3OB30iPhNc+ Z3WtjNTPVCHDDkTf52k5FXd8XorLUsHvMFbx652sEcaRx5y+C8yuhkXzi9Gz1dEn 65aNmf8e1ytycVk0GnvPr4tdlMblooXkFIKyxAQBoEHGfqOCzBAEdOJR2mHRuGLp 68oBFc/RjVby4WihFjg4n0R4l2Vv6euqdJUVkS7spiI3kpYxhfoyxYsFDelKrUi/ FDvXnBUBNVcsDdxE7+70MUUDDMoXDFbWNFkj+nKjtRKxIVdXHN3Z1vc7URR0u7vL 6DKu8UVF7XJ9jOY90PLx+JSt9yTicanQ30bjpAgzPuOvPIzkqdWkLkqzAyOhdnWH IT6M/3FqYpKiKa1QQbOriNkEX7cs/BKkQeibEIakwwrtz+xXrATVa8ja+nvP3pJx tohrfF+y067lV14L5FYg =0oNk -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536f8e27.3000...@fastmail.fm
Re: Problems getting Debian DVD to work (Re: Confusion)
On Sun, 11 May 2014 12:40:58 +0300 Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Vi, 09 mai 14, 19:50:18, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > > I think John is asking whether Josh burned the ISO file onto the > > > DVD rather than (correctly) the DVD image contained in the ISO > > > file. > > > > Thanks Testosticore, > > > > At this point, I think we should all forget I asked that question, > > because neither your explanation nor Joel Rees' explanation caused > > me to understand this distinction, and yet: > > > > 1) It seems like everyone else understands it > > > > 2) In spite of my complete unknowledge of the difference between > > these two words, I can convert an iso or a udf to an optical disc, > > and I can convert an optical disc to an iso or udf (as > > appropriate), so my mental block isn't hurting me. > > Let me try to explain it: > > - if you do it right, when mounting the disk you will see a bunch of > files and/or directories (assuming a Debian .iso) > - if you do it wrong, when mounting the disk you will see just > an .iso file > > Hope this explains, > Andrei Hi Andrei, I'm trying to suppress laughter while I type this. Are you saying that there was a suspicion that somebody used what, xfburn, to put a single file on an optical disc, and that single file was the .iso intended to put an iso9660 or UDF filesystem on the optical disc? How would one even do that? And how would they not know they did it? By the way, here's an article on .iso files and images: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_image SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140511105738.78015ff9@mydesk
Re: Can't boot after harddrive replacement
On Sun, 11 May 2014 11:46:25 +0300 Itay wrote: > Hi > > > > Old disk was 300GB and failing. New is 1TB. > > I replaced the old harddrive and made few steps to copy the system > back to the new drive (see below). > > Obviously I missed something as the system does not boot. BIOS comes > up alright. Just for fun in a ten minute diagnostic test that could shed light on the situation, why don't you boot a live CD, hopefully one with a kernel somewhat similar to the one on your new harddrive, mount the hard drive root partition somewhere, chroot to that mount, and then run mount -a. I bet you'd get a lot of information. If all of the above works right, then I'd imagine your problem is either in your bootloader or your kernel. If some of the above fails, that tells you where to apply your Troubleshooting Foo. HTH, SteveT Steve Litt* http://www.troubleshooters.com/ Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2014050432.70224ebd@mydesk
Re: Filespace exhaustion on '/' partition
On Du, 11 mai 14, 15:33:38, Ron Leach wrote:
> List,
>
> We seem to have filled the available space on the '/' partition of our NFS
> server. Because most of the server's variable data is on separate
> partitions, I'm not sure what I could remove from '/' partition. df shows
> the problem, and the space available on the other partitions:
>
> server4:/# df
> Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
> /dev/md1 2919360 291932436 100% /
If Im reading this figures correctly ('df -h' is much nicer) your / has
somewhere near 2,8 GiB and is full. Considering you have separate /usr
(which has only some 1,2 GiB) and /var this sounds fishy.
> tmpfs 512856 0512856 0% /lib/init/rw
> udev 10240 808 9432 8% /dev
> tmpfs 512856 0512856 0% /dev/shm
> /dev/md6 1892786624 1467249964 425536660 78% /nfs
> /dev/sda1 320310 15665287556 6% /boot
> /dev/sdb1 320310 15665287556 6% /boot2
> /dev/md5 39043328 2431240 36612088 7% /home
> /dev/md4971648 4324967324 1% /tmp
> /dev/md2 9755264 1241512 8513752 13% /usr
> /dev/md3 4872448790660 4081788 17% /var
> server4:/#
>
> This is a live server, relied on by several desktop systems and, to a lesser
> extent, some other servers. The partition exported to the rest of the
> network is regularly backed up.
Good.
> Am I correct in thinking that I cannot, while running, shrink or grow any of
> the partitions? Presumably I could do that if the server was offline,
> perhaps by running a partition editor from a CD or USB stick, maybe?
2,9 GiB for / with separate /usr and /var should be plenty. I'd suggest
looking into what is using all that space.
> There is a GUI on this system but, aside from that, few if any
> 'applications'; we do run samba, but not apache, we run exim, and I notice
> that open office is installed (which will be long out of date, by now,
> anyway, and I'll remove).
These "should" reside in /usr, so in theory wouldn't help much with your
immediate problem.
> Are there any large-ish services that are
> believed to not always be necessary on a server, and whose removal might
> release a reasonable amount of space on '/'?
See if unused Linux images are installed
dpkg -l linux-*
Removing one could already provide some breathing space, but I would
keep at least two around (the one in use, obviously, and next older
one).
You might want to check the output of
du / -hx --max-depth=1
To see where the 2,9 GiB are, but my bets are on /opt ;)
Kind regards,
Andrei
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Re: One of those threads, old stuff: was Confusion [WOOT]
On 12/05/14 00:50, The Wanderer wrote: > On 05/11/2014 10:41 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > >> On Sun, 11 May 2014 15:13:21 +0900 Joel Rees >> wrote: > >>> On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 10:03 AM, Joshua Anthony >>> wrote: > I confess to much ignorance of technical detail - despite 45 years as a computer support engineer, programmer and technical writer, I still find a lot of stuff hard to grasp. ie. I am old and lazy and think GUI is a gift from heaven. So would you, if you'd started out punching ten words of machine code onto paper tape in order to start up a mainframe system - long before there was any form of visual display. >>> >>> Hey can we start one of those those threads? I think the >>> teletype/paper tape terminal we used in high school to interface >>> with the IMSAI box we built. (Much gratitude to a teacher who used >>> a lot of his own money to make that possible for us.) So you've got >>> me beat by about ten years. But, yeah, Univac 1100 with punched >>> card readers and less main memory than my M6800 prototyping board, >>> my first year in the community college's EDP courses. IBM System 34 >>> at my summer job. > >> Oh, there we go! I was late to the party, so my first computer was a >> Heathkit ET6800 Microprocessor Trainer: > >> http://www.troubleshooters.com/lpm/200610/200610.htm#_Computers_Ive_Known_and_Loved > > The first computer I remember actually using was either an Apple //c or > a blocky integrated-monochrome-monitor Macintosh. > > Unless you count my few and poor attempts (at an age not above, and > probably fairly low in, the single digits) to play video games on what > amounts, in modern terms, to a Texas Instruments video-game console. I > don't recall what it was called, but I believe it was cartridge-based... > > I didn't get into computers far enough to know any of the details of > what I was working with until much later, sometime in the early oughts. > > > I grew up in a house/garage full of computers. I learnt my times tables on punch cards. My father put the question on one side for me, and the answer on the other (for him). Apparently they still worked fine - as long as he kept the order right. My first computer was a hand-me-down, had no keyboard or monitor - just a row of switches and the most interesting thing it could do was play bad (static) music on a nearby radio. My first new, personal computer was an IBM PS/2 50Z, reluctantly parted with, like the rest of my PS/2 collection in the "big clean-up" some years ago (sob). Bought with several paychecks from my part-time job as a tape librarian working with much bigger IBM iron (much of which is still in production, as is the code). Kind regards -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536f9332.1000...@gmail.com
Re: Problems getting Debian DVD to work (Re: Confusion)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 05/11/2014 10:57 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sun, 11 May 2014 12:40:58 +0300 Andrei POPESCU > wrote: > >> On Vi, 09 mai 14, 19:50:18, Steve Litt wrote: >>> At this point, I think we should all forget I asked that >>> question, because neither your explanation nor Joel Rees' >>> explanation caused me to understand this distinction, and yet: >>> >>> 1) It seems like everyone else understands it >>> >>> 2) In spite of my complete unknowledge of the difference between >>> these two words, I can convert an iso or a udf to an optical >>> disc, and I can convert an optical disc to an iso or udf (as >>> appropriate), so my mental block isn't hurting me. >> >> Let me try to explain it: >> >> - if you do it right, when mounting the disk you will see a bunch of >> files and/or directories (assuming a Debian .iso) >> - if you do it wrong, when mounting the disk you will see just >> an .iso file >> >> Hope this explains, >> Andrei > > Hi Andrei, > > I'm trying to suppress laughter while I type this. Are you saying > that there was a suspicion that somebody used what, xfburn, to put a > single file on an optical disc, and that single file was the .iso > intended to put an iso9660 or UDF filesystem on the optical disc? > > How would one even do that? And how would they not know they did it? Through a "drag and drop"-style file-copying GUI, which handles the necessary ISO-filesystem creation transparently in the background, and then writes that newly created ISO to the disc. I don't know whether any such exist for Linux (though I'd be mildly surprised if none did), but AFAIK that's been standard behavior for Windows Explorer for at least the majority of a decade now. It's a common enough mistake for Windows users to make, when trying to burn an ISO to disc, that it's worth asking about as an early troubleshooting step. In this case, the OP wasn't using Windows, but that wasn't clear before the question was raised. - -- The Wanderer Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny. A government exists to serve its citizens, not to control them. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJTb5OAAAoJEASpNY00KDJr1CYQAJOju27FPfcFpNvI6QSvRBso h/qn3Z/npiEoG/ASZChuRcGFIfYog5dja8DqteSCWubhpOuw6MnvGnrVryAFvboO B3Jx7/XWoUr/T+hueIn0i5q8qLkdIkrT+pbc0yzMS8fUUmU/ytyehjrGkYEJivq6 /hKaz5SZnUxaM2mOx1cnPudbnN1bGoA3VDBvpb7mpUiL9N2gVFh37ZYcmweTpZwK qzMS95QPNayNyQr/W91YdbYfvWKzzdeQHT7uhdjDX60ivaq68em2NhmBW0HgwJ5C L0r1E2qzHwjdcpKITCKmD6MjKvpIk5xXeV7o6piRQrT4XrTghiens2zgqtZpPO0M 7fEUyTFijD8CFGC+HdNM0UGbVH8ny0nWgmHR3ccS+UsFqvRXerYW4z2hjvHDt7PG kUehLiaL7X/4S09CCSBHT1izLClkL6xhgBFwewp6h0Mi9bSrS7Qnj1FnrvgQ0Kx8 27zUE2/gRAo7J75qBniS6ak2OBXvWGrWh308twrXNP7DktTuhgwVsA5Nz2v+8uSp Ffavye4ovqIkEOMtMW94MLXkGs7JFQc8Ri3yUSKv4zZkWSy8+Q9i1cnGpshUQiRs vTOdCn3PTaEp1YU4D9Y+TVZSLB/WM7R2AEXDzYo/u9ylaWeCDwsrTUWnzmzg/G5c jDkGXaPqJc50nofaawtA =oQSS -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536f9380.80...@fastmail.fm
Re: Problems getting Debian DVD to work (Re: Confusion)
On Du, 11 mai 14, 10:57:38, Steve Litt wrote: > > I'm trying to suppress laughter while I type this. Are you saying that > there was a suspicion that somebody used what, xfburn, to put a single > file on an optical disc, and that single file was the .iso intended to > put an iso9660 or UDF filesystem on the optical disc? Yes, this is exactly what everybody else was talking about. > How would one even do that? And how would they not know they did it? Drag-and-drop in a GUI burning software, just to give an example. Windows burning applications in particular are susceptible of this as the options to properly write an .iso image to a disk are not always obvious. Just look at the instructions for Windows software to get a feel for it: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#record-windows Kind regards, Andrei -- http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser Offtopic discussions among Debian users and developers: http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic http://nuvreauspam.ro/gpg-transition.txt signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Filespace exhaustion on '/' partition
On 11/05/2014 16:10, Andrei POPESCU wrote:
On Du, 11 mai 14, 15:33:38, Ron Leach wrote:
We seem to have filled the available space on the '/' partition of our NFS
server. Because most of the server's variable data is on separate
partitions, I'm not sure what I could remove from '/' partition. df shows
the problem, and the space available on the other partitions:
server4:/# df
Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/md1 2919360 291932436 100% /
If Im reading this figures correctly ('df -h' is much nicer) your / has
somewhere near 2,8 GiB and is full. Considering you have separate /usr
(which has only some 1,2 GiB) and /var this sounds fishy.
2,9 GiB for / with separate /usr and /var should be plenty. I'd suggest
looking into what is using all that space.
See if unused Linux images are installed
dpkg -l linux-*
Assuming 'un' means not installed, this looks ok:
server4:/# dpkg -l linux-*
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
|
Status=Not/Inst/Cfg-files/Unpacked/Failed-cfg/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err:
uppercase=bad)
||/ Name VersionDescription
+++-==-==-
un linux-doc-2.6. (no description available)
un linux-image (no description available)
un linux-image-2. (no description available)
ii linux-image-2. 2.6.26+17+lenn Linux 2.6 image on
PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4
ii linux-image-2. 2.6.26-25 Linux 2.6.26 image on
PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/
un linux-initramf (no description available)
un linux-kernel-l (no description available)
un linux-latest-m (no description available)
un linux-modules- (no description available)
ii linux-sound-ba 1.0.17.dfsg-4 base package for ALSA and OSS sound
systems
server4:/#
You might want to check the output of
du / -hx --max-depth=1
To see where the 2,9 GiB are, but my bets are on /opt ;)
server4:/# du / -hx --max-depth=1
0 /var
0 /nfs
1.0K/boot
1.0K/boot2
0 /home
4.0K/tmp
0 /usr
80M /etc
0 /media
64M /lib
5.0M/sbin
0 /selinux
4.1M/bin
0 /dev
0 /proc
12K /mnt
12M /root
0 /sys
0 /srv
0 /opt
165M/
server4:/#
This doesn't suggest anything like 2.8GB, does it? (du does include
the content of sub-directories in its calculations, doesn't it?)
Your math was fine, but here's df -h for clarity
server4:/# df -h
FilesystemSize Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/md1 2.8G 2.8G 36K 100% /
tmpfs 501M 0 501M 0% /lib/init/rw
udev 10M 808K 9.3M 8% /dev
tmpfs 501M 0 501M 0% /dev/shm
/dev/md6 1.8T 1.4T 406G 78% /nfs
/dev/sda1 313M 16M 281M 6% /boot
/dev/sdb1 313M 16M 281M 6% /boot2
/dev/md5 38G 2.4G 35G 7% /home
/dev/md4 949M 4.3M 945M 1% /tmp
/dev/md2 9.4G 1.2G 8.2G 13% /usr
/dev/md3 4.7G 773M 3.9G 17% /var
server4:/#
md is raid1, and xfs. I tried fsck to see if there was some kind of
problem, but it refused to check an xfs filesystem. xfs_check,
itself, declined to run because /dev/md1 is mounted, and rw.
Running du to two levels reveals largest quantities for:
80M /etc
76M /etc/webmin
11M /root/.thumbnails
But there's nothing remotely approaching 2.8GB .
I'll try and look round the filesystem, I imagine xfs will log
something somewhere if it notices something wrong. I would like to
check the fs; if I recall, the system checks the xfs filesystem during
start up so, perhaps later today, I could take the system offline and
reboot it to force a check.
regards, Ron
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Re: Filespace exhaustion on '/' partition
On 2014-05-11 18:02 +0200, Ron Leach wrote: > server4:/# du / -hx --max-depth=1 > 0 /var > 0 /nfs > 1.0K/boot > 1.0K/boot2 > 0 /home > 4.0K/tmp > 0 /usr > 80M /etc > 0 /media > 64M /lib > 5.0M/sbin > 0 /selinux > 4.1M/bin > 0 /dev > 0 /proc > 12K /mnt > 12M /root > 0 /sys > 0 /srv > 0 /opt > 165M/ > server4:/# > > This doesn't suggest anything like 2.8GB, does it? (du does include > the content of sub-directories in its calculations, doesn't it?) Right, but it does not count unlinked but still open files. > I'll try and look round the filesystem, I imagine xfs will log > something somewhere if it notices something wrong. I would like to > check the fs; if I recall, the system checks the xfs filesystem during > start up so, perhaps later today, I could take the system offline and > reboot it to force a check. Rebooting also frees up the space of unlinked files, but so does killing the processes which keep them open. On a long running system there can be quite a lot of those files, though: # lsof | grep deleted | wc -l 2058 Cheers, Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/8761lcfg6z@turtle.gmx.de
Re: Filespace exhaustion on '/' partition
On 11/05/2014 17:11, Sven Joachim wrote: # lsof | grep deleted | wc -l # lsof | grep deleted | wc -l 3 # But it took 3 or 4 seconds to count them. :) I was beginning to think, gosh, there must really be a lot of those. But it's a good point, Sven, because there still might be some issue that is keeping even 1 of those in some extended length, but deleted, file. Maybe not, though, on '/'. I'll reboot the system at the end of the day. Though it's a weekend, at the moment it'll be in use for a couple of hours, yet. regards, Ron -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536fa70c.30...@tesco.net
Re: How to get a log of fsck on boot partition when using systemd-sysv
On 05/11/2014 03:35 AM, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2014-05-10 23:49 +0200, Jape Person wrote: In various logs on these systems I see an indication that "touch /forcefsck" doesn't work with systemd running the show, and that adding fsck.mode=force to the linux boot line in Grub is now the proper way to force fsck to run at boot time. It is true that fsck.mode=force is the recommended way, but the methods used by the checkfs.sh initscript are still supported despite the warning systemd-fsck prints when you use them. Thanks for this information, Sven. I was assuming that the warning message scrolling by on the screen meant that the file system check was not actually being run. (More on this later.) It's nice that it works, because that means I can still initiate the fsck on remote systems. I'm not sure what I'm going to do if this bit of backward compatibility gets eliminated before some other means besides editing the Linux boot line to force the file system check is provided. I suppose I could just update grub and have the check run every time the systems are rebooted. It's not like it takes that long for fsck to run. However, though I see that fsck is running when I boot the system after altering the boot process, there is still no output from the operation written to the checkroot file. I presume this is part of the rhubarb I've noticed on various lists concerning the logging of the boot process when using systemd. Those messages end up in the journal. The initscript captures them with logsave(8) which is a kludge to work around the problem that syslog is not yet available when it runs. Okay, well a kludge is certainly better (for me) than nothing! ;-) This is hardly a huge problem for me, but I'd like to keep practicing this slightly OCD behavior if I can on a couple of the more critical machines. Would anyone have thoughts on how I can get a record of the file system check on the boot drive when using systemd? Something like "journalctl -b | grep systemd-fsck". I haven't figured out how to get "journalctl -u" to work here. Thank you for leading me to the water, Sven. Your example shows me that I really need to get into using the standard textual tools that are so valuable to this operating system. I'm a tinkerer/hobbyist with GNU/Linux. I use it a lot, but I don't really work *on* it a lot. What's funny is that I had examined the journal after using "touch /forcefsck" by using cat to pipe it to a text file and just searching with the find function of a text editor. I then stupidly quit looking as soon as I found the warning message, assuming that the fsck hadn't actually been run. Because I wasn't using a specific tool like grep (which would have shown me only what I needed to see) to find what I was looking for, I just quit. Then when I tried to run the check by editing the Linux boot line I (rather dumbly, I admit) just checked /var/log/fsck/checkroot again for the results instead of going back to the journal. All around not one of my brighter days. If I had been a little less tired and a little more assiduous with the text editor -- or if I'd used the proper tool for searching the journal in the first place -- I'd have found what I was looking for. You are an awfully useful person to have around because you help so much with understanding the process. Many thanks. Cheers, Sven Best regards, Jape -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536fa2a5.7080...@comcast.net
Re: How to get a log of fsck on boot partition when using systemd-sysv
On 05/11/2014 08:29 AM, Michael Biebl wrote: Am 11.05.2014 09:35, schrieb Sven Joachim: Something like "journalctl -b | grep systemd-fsck". I haven't figured out how to get "journalctl -u" to work here. That, or something like systemctl status systemd-fsck-root.service or systemctl status systemd-fsck@.service works for me as well. If you use systemctl status systemd-fsck@ autocompeltion will help you with choosing the right device name, *but* make sure to properly quote the string, if it contains \, ie. either put it in "" or use \\ instead of single \. Yes, indeed, the first of these two commands provided the information I was looking form. I'm going to have to read about systemctl. The second command didn't seem to provide information about the fsck output, but I may have been using it improperly. And I learned something about my terminal emulator that I need to correct. Apparently tab completion isn't operating on my system. I'll do a little homework on that. It's obviously a useful tool. HTH, Michael It does help, Michael. Thanks. Best regards, Jape -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536fa43a.50...@comcast.net
Re: minimal X.org xserver installation on Debian Wheezy
On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 12:47:08PM +0100, Brian wrote: > On Sun 11 May 2014 at 13:14:28 +0300, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > > > On Du, 11 mai 14, 10:43:14, Brian wrote: > > > > > xserver-xorg-input-kbd > > > xserver-xorg-input-mouse > > > > These two have been replaced by xserver-xorg-input-evdev > > Thanks. I did have -evdev because it is a Depends: of xserver-xorg. -kbd > and -mouse are now purged, which gives me about 300K of disk space back. > > > > xserver-xorg-video-radeon > > > xserver-xorg-video-ati > > > > > > I'm fairly sure I installed the Recommends:. You may need to have > > > different video packages. > > > > Last time I did this I also needed an xfonts- package, like xfonts-base, > > but since it is a Recommends: of xserver-common I will probably be > > pulled in if one doesn't disable them. > > After looking at the machine I'm now certain I didn't use recommended > packages. There is no xfonts- package and (for what I use the machine > for) there do not seem to be any ill-effects. This are bitmap fonts. They are necessary for x11-apps and similar software, which today is not used by the majority. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140511165942.GD9073@localhost
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Hey, The Debian Gnome maintainers has almost packed Gnome 3.12. After the systemd + Gnome sprint last April a lot of Gnome packages have the 3.12 version. But there are some 3.12 packages only available in experimental. Is there a policy when these packages are transfered to unstable? Also what package(s) holds the Gnome 3.12 transition? Thanks, floris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/op.xfpgcd075k9...@alice.jkfloris.demon.nl
Re: minimal X.org xserver installation on Debian Wheezy
Thank you for replies! As I understand, "xserver-xorg" will install /usr/bin/X binary, which is a X Window Server itself and "xinit" installs the /usr/bin/xinit utility which starts the X Window Server and window manager(dwm in my case) as a X Windows Server client. As I have Intel 945GM video card, I need to install "xserver-xorg-video-intel" package, but why exactly is this needed? I mean at the moment, according to "lspci -vvv", I use i915.ko driver and it's able to show the picture. Or is the performance lot better with intel_drv.so driver which will be installed with "xserver-xorg-video-intel" package? Or is it a problem for xserver if the driver module runs in kernel space? In addition, am I correct that "xserver-xorg-input-evdev" just installs the necessary user-space driver for handling mouse and keyboard input to xserver? regards, Martin On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Brian wrote: > On Sun 11 May 2014 at 12:16:33 +0200, Sven Joachim wrote: > >> On 2014-05-11 11:43 +0200, Brian wrote: >> >> > >> > If my notes are accurate ; from the last time I did it: >> > >> > xinit >> > xserver-org >> > xserver-xorg-input-kbd >> > xserver-xorg-input-mouse >> >> Those are obsoleted by xserver-xorg-input-evdev. > > Thank you. > >> > xserver-xorg-video-radeon >> > xserver-xorg-video-ati >> > >> > I'm fairly sure I installed the Recommends:. You may need to have >> > different video packages. >> >> I would also install the -vesa and -fbdev packages in case there are >> problems with the native driver. > > Even though I've experienced no problems I suppose I could install them. > After all, I now have a free 300K of space after purging -kbd and -mouse. :) > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: > https://lists.debian.org/11052014124714.47ed4e857...@desktop.copernicus.demon.co.uk > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAJx5YvEjkxu1F=rnciasvhaeov3yctlug4hqe_bck18jwwh...@mail.gmail.com
Re: free space before the first and after the last partition if GPT partition scheme is used
Sven, I see. Thanks! Are those "bios_grub" or "EFI system" partitions located inside the GPT scheme, i.e. inside the first ~16KiB of the disk and it is not seen with gdisk? In addition, if this small area after the last partition is also for alignment purposes, then where is the backup GPT stored? regards, Martin On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Sven Hartge wrote: > Martin T wrote: > >> 2) Am I correct that boot loaders use their code on this area after >> the primary GPT and before the first partition? > > No. > > Bootloaders store their code in a special "bios_grub" partition (type > EF02) when using the CSM/BIOS boot mode or inside a EFI System > partion when using EFI boot mode. > > There is no free space like in the MBR where the bootloaders store their > code. > > The free space you are seeing is to align the partitions on 1MB > boundaries. > >> 3) Are the last 689 sectors after the last partition used for storing >> the backup GPT? > > No. This is for alignment as well. > > Grüße, > S° > > -- > Sigmentation fault. Core dumped. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2alqh8v9v...@mids.svenhartge.de > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAJx5YvGFtqn6-MXRe2i9Qj4mUVsNdJx4eee9DhXy�iir+...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Debian Linux 7 and Realtek soundcards
On 11/05/14 08:53, Bret Busby wrote: Hello. I have this weekend, managed to install Debian 7.5 amd64 xfce version onto a laptop computer. However, the sound does not work. In searching, I have found that the laptop apparently has a Realtek soundcard (and, an inbuilt Intel something soundcard thing). Maybe this could be useful: https://wiki.debian.org/ALSA In the 'Alternative Method' section Realtek is explicitly mentioned. Ciao, Lorenzo. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536fc16b.60...@gmail.com
Re: free space before the first and after the last partition if GPT partition scheme is used
Martin T wrote: > I see. Thanks! Are those "bios_grub" or "EFI system" partitions > located inside the GPT scheme, i.e. inside the first ~16KiB of the > disk and it is not seen with gdisk? In addition, if this small area > after the last partition is also for alignment purposes, then where is > the backup GPT stored? It is located somewhere inside the GPT. Those partitions do not need to be in the first 16KiB of a disk, they can be everywhere. (Though some UEFI implementations have problems if the boot partition is beyond the 2TiB mark.) And of course they are seen by gdisk, as they are normal partitions like every other partition. There are no "magic" disk spaces inside a GPT. # gdisk -l /dev/sda GPT fdisk (gdisk) version 0.8.8 Partition table scan: MBR: protective BSD: not present APM: not present GPT: present Found valid GPT with protective MBR; using GPT. Disk /dev/sda: 3907029168 sectors, 1.8 TiB Logical sector size: 512 bytes Disk identifier (GUID): A2890495-0F45-4BA9-BA69-598347F489B9 Partition table holds up to 128 entries First usable sector is 34, last usable sector is 3907029134 Partitions will be aligned on 8-sector boundaries Total free space is 0 sectors (0 bytes) Number Start (sector)End (sector) Size Code Name 1 342047 1007.0 KiB EF02 primary 22048 195311615 93.1 GiBFD00 primary 3 195311616 3907029134 1.7 TiB FD00 primary Grüße, Sven. -- Sigmentation fault. Core dumped. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/9alr4cs9v...@mids.svenhartge.de
Re: you don\u2019t know if you don\u2019t ask
Filip writes:
> On Sun, 11 May 2014 12:23:19 +0100
> Sharon Kimble wrote:
>
>> Chris Bannister writes:
>>
>> --8<---cut here---start->8---
>> locale
>> LANG=en_GB.UTF-8
>> LANGUAGE=en_GB:en
>> LC_CTYPE="en_GB.UTF-8"
>> LC_NUMERIC="en_GB.UTF-8"
>> LC_TIME="en_GB.UTF-8"
>> LC_COLLATE="en_GB.UTF-8"
>> LC_MONETARY="en_GB.UTF-8"
>> LC_MESSAGES="en_GB.UTF-8"
>> LC_PAPER="en_GB.UTF-8"
>> LC_NAME="en_GB.UTF-8"
>> LC_ADDRESS="en_GB.UTF-8"
>> LC_TELEPHONE="en_GB.UTF-8"
>> LC_MEASUREMENT="en_GB.UTF-8"
>> LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_GB.UTF-8"
>> --8<---cut here---end--->8---
>>
>> Sharon.
>
> And 'locale -a' also shows en_GB.UTF-8 ?
>
> Does the problem only occur when you paste into emacs ?
> Is there something special in your .emacs file ? Try starting emacs
> without init file ('emacs -q').
>
We eventually tracked it down to the "simpleclip" programme. Disable
that and everything works as it should, enable it and you will get
problems, sooner or later! So now it is not physically on my system
nor in my .emacs either, its history I'm glad to say! :)
Problem solved!
Thanks
Sharon.
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Re: free space before the first and after the last partition if GPT partition scheme is used
Sven, for some reason, I do not see those partitions with gdisk: http://i.imgur.com/4BlDQx7.jpg On the other hand, I'm also using older version(0.8.5 vs 0.8.8) of gdisk than you.. Or is there some other reason? In addition, while your gdisk output says that you have 0B of free space, then I have 1.3MiB of free space- I guess it's because you aligned your partitions on 8 sector boundaries and there was no need to leave free space for alignment? regards, Martin On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 6:30 PM, Sven Hartge wrote: > Martin T wrote: > >> I see. Thanks! Are those "bios_grub" or "EFI system" partitions >> located inside the GPT scheme, i.e. inside the first ~16KiB of the >> disk and it is not seen with gdisk? In addition, if this small area >> after the last partition is also for alignment purposes, then where is >> the backup GPT stored? > > It is located somewhere inside the GPT. Those partitions do not need to > be in the first 16KiB of a disk, they can be everywhere. (Though some > UEFI implementations have problems if the boot partition is beyond the > 2TiB mark.) > > And of course they are seen by gdisk, as they are normal partitions like > every other partition. There are no "magic" disk spaces inside a GPT. > > # gdisk -l /dev/sda > GPT fdisk (gdisk) version 0.8.8 > > Partition table scan: > MBR: protective > BSD: not present > APM: not present > GPT: present > > Found valid GPT with protective MBR; using GPT. > Disk /dev/sda: 3907029168 sectors, 1.8 TiB > Logical sector size: 512 bytes > Disk identifier (GUID): A2890495-0F45-4BA9-BA69-598347F489B9 > Partition table holds up to 128 entries > First usable sector is 34, last usable sector is 3907029134 > Partitions will be aligned on 8-sector boundaries > Total free space is 0 sectors (0 bytes) > > Number Start (sector)End (sector) Size Code Name >1 342047 1007.0 KiB EF02 primary >22048 195311615 93.1 GiBFD00 primary >3 195311616 3907029134 1.7 TiB FD00 primary > > Grüße, > Sven. > > -- > Sigmentation fault. Core dumped. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: https://lists.debian.org/9alr4cs9v...@mids.svenhartge.de > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAJx5YvE2kELEuoJMEPdF=ymxx23vw4b-odpt8fsa59fxsy0...@mail.gmail.com
Re: free space before the first and after the last partition if GPT partition scheme is used
Martin T wrote: > for some reason, I do not see those partitions with gdisk: > http://i.imgur.com/4BlDQx7.jpg On the other hand, I'm also using older > version(0.8.5 vs 0.8.8) of gdisk than you.. Or is there some other > reason? No. If gdisk does not show any special boot partition then there is indeed no special boot partition. You should not be able to install GRUB onto this disk and no UEFI firmware will be able to boot from it either. > In addition, while your gdisk output says that you have 0B of free > space, then I have 1.3MiB of free space- I guess it's because you > aligned your partitions on 8 sector boundaries and there was no need > to leave free space for alignment? My GPT was created manually and not by the Debian-Installer. Grüße, Sven. -- Sigmentation fault. Core dumped. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/aalr6uh9v...@mids.svenhartge.de
Re: Can't boot after harddrive replacement
On Sun, May 11, 2014, at 02:40 PM, Eduardo M KALINOWSKI wrote: On 05/11/2014 05:46 AM, Itay wrote: Old disk was 300GB and failing. New is 1TB. I replaced the old harddrive and made few steps to copy the system back to the new drive (see below). Obviously I missed something as the system does not boot. BIOS comes up alright. I guess that I overlooked something with the boot files, but what and how to remedy this? Did you reinstall grub (or whatever bootloader you use)? You need something like # grub-install /dev/sda to install the bootloader to the MBR. An rsync would not copy that. No. I did not. Do I need to tell grub-install that the root '/' resides on /dev/sda2, and that the /boot resides on /dev/sda1? If yes: I am not sure how to use the --root-directory option. Many thanks, Itay -- A prediction is worth twenty explanations. -- K. Brecher Eduardo M KALINOWSKI [1]edua...@kalinowski.com.br -- Itay Furman it...@fastmail.fm References 1. mailto:edua...@kalinowski.com.br
Re: Can't boot after harddrive replacement
On Sun, May 11, 2014, at 06:04 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sun, 11 May 2014 11:46:25 +0300 > Itay wrote: > > > Hi > > > > > > > > Old disk was 300GB and failing. New is 1TB. > > > > I replaced the old harddrive and made few steps to copy the system > > back to the new drive (see below). > > > > Obviously I missed something as the system does not boot. BIOS comes > > up alright. > > Just for fun in a ten minute diagnostic test that could shed light on > the situation, why don't you boot a live CD, hopefully one with a > kernel somewhat similar to the one on your new harddrive, mount the hard > drive root partition somewhere, chroot to that mount, and then run > mount -a. I bet you'd get a lot of information. > Well, right. Here is some of the output (manually typed) mount point /proc does not exist [Note: similar errors for few more missing mount points such as /usr/local, /cache] special device /dev/sda1 does not exist [Note: that's the would be /boot partition] special device /dev/mapper/vg-home does not exist [Note: would-be /home reside on a Logical Volume vg/home] [Same error for the other file trees that reside on Logical Volumes] Note that I did not copy the /dev file tree from the old installation -- my understanding was that it will be repopulated by the system upon the first reboot with the new drive. Was I wrong? > If all of the above works right, then I'd imagine your problem is either > in your bootloader or your kernel. If some of the above fails, that > tells you where to apply your Troubleshooting Foo. > > HTH, > > SteveT > I guess the output of mount above shows that there is a problem with the file system(s) and devices. Nevertheless, I also believe that I have problems with the bootloader. See reply to a different post on this thread. Many thanks, Itay > Steve Litt * http://www.troubleshooters.com/ > Troubleshooting Training * Human Performance > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: https://lists.debian.org/2014050432.70224ebd@mydesk > -- Itay Furman it...@fastmail.fm
Re: Can't boot after harddrive replacement
On Sun, 11 May 2014 22:38:20 +0300 Itay Furman wrote: > > > I guess the output of mount above shows that there is a problem with > the file system(s) and devices. > > Nevertheless, I also believe that I have problems with the bootloader. When you boot the installation DVD, there is an option 'rescue mode' in the initial menu that comes up. Look under 'advanced options'. Have you tried that ? Follow through the steps, and you will get a menu where you have two options that should help you: - reinstall the bootloader - 'start a shell in the installer environment'. This will set up the chroot environment for you. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140511222535.5e41f...@orac.fil
Re: Filespace exhaustion on '/' partition
Ron Leach writes: > On 11/05/2014 17:11, Sven Joachim wrote: >> # lsof | grep deleted | wc -l > > # lsof | grep deleted | wc -l > 3 > # > > But it took 3 or 4 seconds to count them. :) > I was beginning to think, gosh, there must really be a lot of those. > > But it's a good point, Sven, because there still might be some issue > that is keeping even 1 of those in some extended length, but deleted, > file. Maybe not, though, on '/'. > > I'll reboot the system at the end of the day. Though it's a weekend, > at the moment it'll be in use for a couple of hours, yet. Another possibility to look into is that there might be files under your mount points. For example, you might have saved files under /usr on your root filesystem, but later mounted a /usr filesystem on top without deleting the files in the original filesystem. The only way that I know of to check that would be to check one filesystem at a time in single user mode, or from a live CD. -- Carl Johnsonca...@peak.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/878uq859ip.fsf@oak.localnet
Re: experimental to unstable
Hello, On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 7:03 PM, Floris wrote: > > Hey, > > The Debian Gnome maintainers has almost packed Gnome 3.12. After the systemd > + Gnome sprint last April a lot of Gnome packages have the 3.12 version. But > there are some 3.12 packages only available in experimental. Is there a > policy when these packages are transfered to unstable? > > Also what package(s) holds the Gnome 3.12 transition? You can track the transitions that are happening in Debian at https://release.debian.org/transitions/ , there are a planned libgnome-desktop-3-10 transition (which probabbly will be substitute by a the 3.12 version?). You can see which packages are affected by such transition by clicking at transition name. There are reasons for the delay, you can see more at the next bug comment:: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=740137#19 Debian Policy specify when a unstable package should be migrate to the testing stage, but from experimental to unstable is decided by maintainers and it is influeced by release manager team + ftp team (maybe somebody can be more precise than me?) load average Regards, -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/CAL5yMZQo4-ZxHSWv_Q3zXeZu4qNuz11d2aKYCBo=hxdekf1...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Filespace exhaustion on '/' partition
On 05/11/2014 04:46 PM, Carl Johnson wrote: > > Another possibility to look into is that there might be files under your > mount points. For example, you might have saved files under /usr on > your root filesystem, but later mounted a /usr filesystem on top without > deleting the files in the original filesystem. The only way that I know > of to check that would be to check one filesystem at a time in single > user mode, or from a live CD. > That's a good point. You could just mount the rootfs read-only somewhere else. That way you can look at it while the system is still live. - PaulNM -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536fe44d.2040...@paulscrap.com
Re: Filespace exhaustion on '/' partition
On 2014-05-11 22:46 +0200, Carl Johnson wrote: > Ron Leach writes: > >> On 11/05/2014 17:11, Sven Joachim wrote: >>> # lsof | grep deleted | wc -l >> >> # lsof | grep deleted | wc -l >> 3 >> # >> >> But it took 3 or 4 seconds to count them. :) >> I was beginning to think, gosh, there must really be a lot of those. >> >> But it's a good point, Sven, because there still might be some issue >> that is keeping even 1 of those in some extended length, but deleted, >> file. Maybe not, though, on '/'. >> >> I'll reboot the system at the end of the day. Though it's a weekend, >> at the moment it'll be in use for a couple of hours, yet. > > Another possibility to look into is that there might be files under your > mount points. For example, you might have saved files under /usr on > your root filesystem, but later mounted a /usr filesystem on top without > deleting the files in the original filesystem. Indeed. > The only way that I know > of to check that would be to check one filesystem at a time in single > user mode, or from a live CD. Huh, why that? A simple "mount --bind / /mnt" makes all those files visible under /mnt, and you can delete them at your leisure. Cheers, Sven -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/87tx8wdnyi@turtle.gmx.de
Re: Filespace exhaustion on '/' partition
On 11/05/2014 22:07, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2014-05-11 22:46 +0200, Carl Johnson wrote: Another possibility to look into is that there might be files under your mount points. For example, you might have saved files under /usr on your root filesystem, but later mounted a /usr filesystem on top without deleting the files in the original filesystem. It's certainly worth checking. All these physical partitions, the raid1 partition pairs, the xfs filesystem, and the mount points were created during the debian-installer's partitioning and filesystems layout. (I think I didn't mention, in this thread, that the server is running Lenny.) Nevertheless, checking to see what is 'really' there, on /dev/md1, is worth doing. Obviously, something is causing df to believe that the mount point is full. A simple "mount --bind / /mnt" makes all those files visible under /mnt, and you can delete them at your leisure. I'll do this, this way, during tomorrow. I haven't rebooted the system yet, either (I'd wanted to force an xfs_check). I have checked /var/log/messages, though: there's a weekly xfs check, and it passed last weekend. regards, Ron -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536feac6.8090...@tesco.net
Re: experimental to unstable
Op Sun, 11 May 2014 22:54:20 +0200 schreef Javier Barroso : Hello, On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 7:03 PM, Floris wrote: Hey, The Debian Gnome maintainers has almost packed Gnome 3.12. After the systemd + Gnome sprint last April a lot of Gnome packages have the 3.12 version. But there are some 3.12 packages only available in experimental. Is there a policy when these packages are transfered to unstable? Also what package(s) holds the Gnome 3.12 transition? You can track the transitions that are happening in Debian at https://release.debian.org/transitions/ , there are a planned libgnome-desktop-3-10 transition (which probabbly will be substitute by a the 3.12 version?). You can see which packages are affected by such transition by clicking at transition name. There are reasons for the delay, you can see more at the next bug comment:: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=740137#19 Debian Policy specify when a unstable package should be migrate to the testing stage, but from experimental to unstable is decided by maintainers and it is influeced by release manager team + ftp team (maybe somebody can be more precise than me?) load average Regards, the bug report (#740137) is about gnome-online-accounts and evolution-data-server. These two transitions where fixed after the systemd + Gnome sprint. The only package i can find today is "grilo-plugins" which can hold the libgnome-desktop-3-10 transition. Bognor-regis will be removed and tracker1.0 is already up to date in unstable. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/op.xfps8n1w5k9...@alice.jkfloris.demon.nl
Re: [SOLVED]loss of I/O on some websites
On 05/11/2014 09:30 AM, Francesco Ariis wrote: On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 08:59:41AM -0400, Whit Hansell wrote: Am getting frustrated. On the internet today there are so many sites that have taken on so much advertising that it is killing my desire to go to various sites. I mean specifically news sites. Maybe you already tried it, but just in case: AdBlock Plus (add on for Iceweasel)? Francesco, et al, Thank you for replying as well as everyone else who did. So far, it seems to be working, to use AdBlock Plus. I had installed Adblock exchange, because at one time as I recall, I had been using "Adbllock" something and Iceweasel updated and I kept receiving warnings about the new version of Iceweasel and "Adblock" not being compatible. At least I think that's why I changed it. But now I have gone to the Adblock Plus as recommended and SO FAR it is working great. No I/O hangup at all. I tell you it was driving me crazy. Going to a well known website and finding it totally unusable. Thank you all for your replies and help. A great bunch of people. I love Linux and it's users. Always helpful and knowledgeable. Thanks again. Whit -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536fee6b.6080...@comcast.net
Re: Problems getting Debian DVD to work (Re: Confusion)
On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 10:57:38AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > I'm trying to suppress laughter while I type this. Are you saying that > there was a suspicion that somebody used what, xfburn, to put a single > file on an optical disc, and that single file was the .iso intended to > put an iso9660 or UDF filesystem on the optical disc? > > How would one even do that? And how would they not know they did it? It's easy to do it on a Mac or Windows even if you're tring not to. You'd easily find out you did it when you tried to boot it. -- "If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." --- Malcolm X -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140511215415.GA10438@tal
[SOLVED] Re: How to get a log of fsck on boot partition when using systemd-sysv
On 05/11/2014 12:17 PM, Jape Person wrote: On 05/11/2014 03:35 AM, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2014-05-10 23:49 +0200, Jape Person wrote: In various logs on these systems I see an indication that "touch /forcefsck" doesn't work with systemd running the show, and that adding fsck.mode=force to the linux boot line in Grub is now the proper way to force fsck to run at boot time. It is true that fsck.mode=force is the recommended way, but the methods used by the checkfs.sh initscript are still supported despite the warning systemd-fsck prints when you use them. Thanks for this information, Sven. I was assuming that the warning message scrolling by on the screen meant that the file system check was not actually being run. (More on this later.) It's nice that it works, because that means I can still initiate the fsck on remote systems. I'm not sure what I'm going to do if this bit of backward compatibility gets eliminated before some other means besides editing the Linux boot line to force the file system check is provided. I suppose I could just update grub and have the check run every time the systems are rebooted. It's not like it takes that long for fsck to run. However, though I see that fsck is running when I boot the system after altering the boot process, there is still no output from the operation written to the checkroot file. I presume this is part of the rhubarb I've noticed on various lists concerning the logging of the boot process when using systemd. Those messages end up in the journal. The initscript captures them with logsave(8) which is a kludge to work around the problem that syslog is not yet available when it runs. Okay, well a kludge is certainly better (for me) than nothing! ;-) This is hardly a huge problem for me, but I'd like to keep practicing this slightly OCD behavior if I can on a couple of the more critical machines. Would anyone have thoughts on how I can get a record of the file system check on the boot drive when using systemd? Something like "journalctl -b | grep systemd-fsck". I haven't figured out how to get "journalctl -u" to work here. Thank you for leading me to the water, Sven. Your example shows me that I really need to get into using the standard textual tools that are so valuable to this operating system. I'm a tinkerer/hobbyist with GNU/Linux. I use it a lot, but I don't really work *on* it a lot. What's funny is that I had examined the journal after using "touch /forcefsck" by using cat to pipe it to a text file and just searching with the find function of a text editor. I then stupidly quit looking as soon as I found the warning message, assuming that the fsck hadn't actually been run. Because I wasn't using a specific tool like grep (which would have shown me only what I needed to see) to find what I was looking for, I just quit. Then when I tried to run the check by editing the Linux boot line I (rather dumbly, I admit) just checked /var/log/fsck/checkroot again for the results instead of going back to the journal. All around not one of my brighter days. If I had been a little less tired and a little more assiduous with the text editor -- or if I'd used the proper tool for searching the journal in the first place -- I'd have found what I was looking for. You are an awfully useful person to have around because you help so much with understanding the process. Many thanks. Cheers, Sven Best regards, Jape Not certain whether or not this is necessary, but thought I'd add "[SOLVED] " to the front of the thread title in case it might be helpful to anyone scanning the archives for solutions to this problem. Again, thank you all for your help. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/536ffcc4.70...@comcast.net
Re: minimal X.org xserver installation on Debian Wheezy
On Sun, 11 May 2014, Martin T wrote: > Thank you for replies! As I understand, "xserver-xorg" will install > /usr/bin/X binary, which is a X Window Server itself and "xinit" > installs the /usr/bin/xinit utility which starts the X Window Server > and window manager(dwm in my case) as a X Windows Server client. As I All I installed to get a running X on my Wheezy/Openbox "minimal" system was xserver-xorg-core and xinit. B -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140511163542.007f9...@debian7.boseck208.net
[OT] How long is an unused HD 'new'?
Hi, I have a 500GB Western Digital hard drive that I bought in 2012 but it has never been unpacked and has been sitting on the shelf all this time. How long can it be considered 'new'? Is it safe to use? Hugo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/lkp1ul$ojm$1...@ger.gmane.org
Re: [OT] How long is an unused HD 'new'?
On Mon, 12 May 2014 01:43:16 +0200, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: I have a 500GB Western Digital hard drive that I bought in 2012 but it has never been unpacked and has been sitting on the shelf all this time. How long can it be considered 'new'? Is it safe to use? 2 Years in the original packaging on a shelf, in averaged normal conditions = as new and reliable, as a brand spanking new HDD A brand spanking new HDD could fail like an used, very old HDD. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/op.xfpzr8kkqhadp0@suse11-2
Re: Is it safe not to install intel-microcode (or amd-microcode)?
On Fri, 09 May 2014, Артур Истомин wrote: > really working exploits, viruses or even prototypes that exploits bugs > in CPUs (but attempts were, google "Kris Kaspersky Intel Blackhat". Very > suspicious story. The presentation was withdrawn at the request of Intel). One can find the reduced presentation on youtube, both in english and the original russian. As far as I can tell (I am not a native speaker of either language, and I found it very hard to understand the realtime translation), what he describes is the exploitation by malware of the very errata the microcode updates exist to fix. -- "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/20140512005039.ga20...@khazad-dum.debian.net
Kernel fails to detect internal hard drives after routine apt-get upgrade
Dear debian-users, A first-time post for me: I've never had a problem that was so serious. I've had Wheezy installed for many months now with default kernel 3.2.0-4-amd64. Following a routine apt-get upgrade, the kernel cannot detect any of the internal drives. After many *"ata#: reset failed, giving up"* and *"udevd: timeout"* errors, I am dropped to an initramfs Busybox prompt that cannot see any drives (fdisk -l sees nothing). Interestingly, I *can* boot into the old Squeeze kernel (2.7.x). From booting under the old kernel, I have tried: # apt-get remove linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 # apt-get install linux-image-amd64 # cd /boot; update-initramfs -k 3.2.0-4-amd64 -u # apt-get update # apt-get upgrade # apt-get dist-upgrade All to no avail. Interestingly, even the Debian 7.5 netinst CD will not see the drives, and asks me to select a driver (it makes no suggestions). When I drop to a prompt in recovery mode (another BusyBox prompt), fdisk -l does not see any drives. There is nothing exotic about my drives: they are four Western Digital 2 TB internal hard drives. This one has me stumped. I hope someone can help. Please let me know if there is additional information I should post, or if there is somewhere else that I should be posting instead. I would appreciate any leads. Thanks! O
Re: Kernel fails to detect internal hard drives after routine apt-get upgrade
On 5/11/2014 8:44 PM, O wrote: > Dear debian-users, > > A first-time post for me: I've never had a problem that was so serious. > > I've had Wheezy installed for many months now with default kernel > 3.2.0-4-amd64. Following a routine apt-get upgrade, the kernel cannot > detect any of the internal drives. After many *"ata#: reset failed, giving > up"* and *"udevd: timeout"* errors, I am dropped to an initramfs Busybox > prompt that cannot see any drives (fdisk -l sees nothing). > > Interestingly, I *can* boot into the old Squeeze kernel (2.7.x). From > booting under the old kernel, I have tried: > > # apt-get remove linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 > # apt-get install linux-image-amd64 > > # cd /boot; update-initramfs -k 3.2.0-4-amd64 -u > > # apt-get update > # apt-get upgrade > # apt-get dist-upgrade > > All to no avail. Interestingly, even the Debian 7.5 netinst CD will not > see the drives, and asks me to select a driver (it makes no suggestions). > When I drop to a prompt in recovery mode (another BusyBox prompt), fdisk -l > does not see any drives. > > There is nothing exotic about my drives: they are four Western Digital 2 TB > internal hard drives. > > This one has me stumped. I hope someone can help. Please let me know if > there is additional information I should post, or if there is somewhere > else that I should be posting instead. I would appreciate any leads. Full dmesg output would be far more helpful than your narrative. Please paste it inline so we can cut the irrelevant parts from our replies and highlight the problem parts. Cheers, Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53703107.7060...@hardwarefreak.com
Re: Kernel fails to detect internal hard drives after routine apt-get upgrade
On 12/05/14 11:44, O wrote: > > Dear debian-users, > > A first-time post for me: I've never had a problem that was so serious. > > I've had Wheezy installed for many months now with default kernel > 3.2.0-4-amd64. Following a routine apt-get upgrade, the kernel cannot > detect any of the internal drives. After many *"ata#: reset failed, > giving up"* and *"udevd: timeout"* errors, I am dropped to an initramfs > Busybox prompt that cannot see any drives (fdisk -l sees nothing). > > Interestingly, I *can* boot into the old Squeeze kernel (2.7.x). >From > booting under the old kernel, I have tried: > > # apt-get remove linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 > # apt-get install linux-image-amd64 > > # cd /boot; update-initramfs -k 3.2.0-4-amd64 -u > > # apt-get update > # apt-get upgrade > # apt-get dist-upgrade > > All to no avail. Interestingly, even the Debian 7.5 netinst CD will not > see the drives, and asks me to select a driver (it makes no > suggestions). When I drop to a prompt in recovery mode (another BusyBox > prompt), fdisk -l does not see any drives. That 'proves' it. :/ > > There is nothing exotic about my drives: they are four Western Digital 2 > TB internal hard drives. > > This one has me stumped. I hope someone can help. Please let me know > if there is additional information I should post, or if there is > somewhere else that I should be posting instead. I would appreciate any > leads. > > Thanks! > > O > Check your BIOS, I'd bet it doesn't see any hard drives either. Please check. If I'm correct then check your power and data cables and restart the box. If you had a problem due to the last `apt-get upgrade` I'd expect you'd have mentioned seeing error messages when running `apt-get update && apt-get uprade`, and I'd expect there'd be some messages if there was a problem. But you 'could' try `apt-get -sf install | more` just to check. Kind regards -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/5370356c.7010...@gmail.com
Re: Kernel fails to detect internal hard drives after routine apt-get upgrade
Hi Stan, The output from dmesg is long. From within initramfs, I cannot mount usb drives, and I cannot seem to scp or ssh. So far, I have not been able to find a way to get the output from dmesg (from within initramfs) onto another file system so that I can post it here: any ideas? Thanks, O >
Re: Kernel fails to detect internal hard drives after routine apt-get upgrade
Hi Scott, > Check your BIOS, I'd bet it doesn't see any hard drives either. Please > check. If I'm correct then check your power and data cables and restart > the box. > > As mentioned, i can boot using the old Squeeze kernel, and it sees the drives; bios sees the drives. The Wheezy kernel (3.2.0-4_amd64) cannot detect the drives. Thanks, O
Re: Kernel fails to detect internal hard drives after routine apt-get upgrade
On 12/05/14 14:27, O wrote: > > Hi Scott, > > > Check your BIOS, I'd bet it doesn't see any hard drives either. Please > check. If I'm correct then check your power and data cables and restart > the box. > > > As mentioned, i can boot using the old Squeeze kernel, and it sees the > drives; bios sees the drives. My apologies. I missed that. Stock kernel? I'm guessing you'd have mentioned otherwise, likewise the wheezy. > The Wheezy kernel (3.2.0-4_amd64) cannot detect the drives. My "guess" is that you're missing some firmware for your drives - which makes no sense... unless your board needs firmware (nforce?). > > Thanks, > > O > > Kind regards -- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53704fe3.1030...@gmail.com
Re: Kernel fails to detect internal hard drives after routine apt-get upgrade
On 5/11/2014 11:17 PM, O wrote: > Hi Stan, > > The output from dmesg is long. From within initramfs, I cannot mount usb > drives, and I cannot seem to scp or ssh. So far, I have not been able to > find a way to get the output from dmesg (from within initramfs) onto > another file system so that I can post it here: any ideas? Boot the working kernel and dump the dmesg output for us. I'm not looking for errors with the point release kernel relating to the boot problem. I'm looking for exactly what hardware we're dealing with and how it's connected to the system. It is atypical for a kernel point release to bork an ATA or SCSI controller driver to the point the system won't load. Thus I'm guessing there is something 'unique' about your setup. dmesg should tell me that, as well as other needed information. Cheers, Stan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53706ed3.6000...@hardwarefreak.com
