Re: aptitude/apt-get hangs during update (plus) on IPv6
Hello, Jeffrey B. Green a écrit : > > I'm seeing if there is an alternate answer here before filing a bug. (I > believe) All of the servers here that have IPv6 configured hang while > attempting an update on security.debian.org. If I turn off IPv6 by > deconfiguring the IPv6 address, then the update goes through fine. It could be an MTU/MSS issue. See the recent discussion in the debian-ipv6 list with subject "schein.debian.org" [2001:4f8:8:36::6]. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4de89079.1000...@plouf.fr.eu.org
Re: google to pull support for firefox 3,5
On 06/02/2011 07:31 PM, John Hasler wrote: Arno Schuring writes: I find DDG (http://duckduckgo.com/Duck_Duck_Go) satisfies my needs perfectly. Requires Javascript. Google doesn't. I've been using ever since Google decided to start showing site thumbnails on mouseover events. I've never seen those. It does in the "Images" results pages. -- "Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt." Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4de8a001.2080...@cox.net
Re: pidofproc missing
Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Mi, 01 iun 11, 19:32:06, lrhorer wrote: >> Andrei Popescu wrote: >> >> > On Mi, 01 iun 11, 07:56:58, lrhorer wrote: >> >> >> >> Oh! I see. It's not a binary, at all. The init scripts just >> >> source >> >> the function. Thanks! (I'd still like to know how `pidof` got >> >> mangled.) >> > >> > Please post the output of 'dpkg -l sysvinit-utils' >> >> Um, OK. Why? > > Because Well, I had fixed the issue, so dpkg would inevitably show everything to be OK. The first thing I did, before I even posted this thread, was to check the dpkg status. That's why I asked. > $ dpkg -S bin/pidof > sysvinit-utils: /bin/pidof > >> RAID-Server:/etc/init.d# dpkg -l sysvinit-utils >> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold >> | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig- >> aWait/Trig-pend >> |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) >> ||/ Name Version >> Description >> +++-==- >> ==- >> >> ii sysvinit-utils 2.88dsf-13.1 >> System-V-like utilities > > dpkg thinks the package is ok. Since "loosing" binaries is a bit > unusual Yeah, I know, unless someone goes mucking around. I'm the only user of the system, and I don't go mucking around. I don't recall whether I have ever actually used `pidof` on this system, so it's possible it was never there. It might have gotten mangled, somehow, when the system was installed. > I would suggest fsck-ing your file systems and running SMART > tests on your harddisk. It's not a hard drive. It's a RAID1 array. Both member drives report no SMART errors. Fsck reports the file system clean. > You do have backups, right? Of course. In this case it was much easier to pull the binary from the sister system, but a full backup of the files on the OS arrays of both machines are done once a month. Three generations of the backup are kept. Copies of the archives are stored on a local RAID6 array and on the RAID6 array on the sister system. The most recent copy is kept on one of the local RAID1 arrays. That, plus the two systems are very nearly mirrors of each other, with only a few small differences. It would not be terribly difficult to copy over the entire RAID array from one system to the other and make changes by hand. Finally, if push came to shove, these are pretty plain-vanilla systems, and loading the OS from scratch wouldn't be the worst thing I have ever had to do. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/loadnxs7tmqiphxqnz2dnuvz5t2dn...@giganews.com
Re: tar --remove-files chokes on symlinks
Sven Joachim wrote: > On 2011-06-02 04:13 +0200, lrhorer wrote: > >> I have a cron script that runs tar on a directory in order to clean >> it >> up and minimize its size. I run the command: >> >> tar cf Backup_Server.tar.gz --remove-files * >> >> but during the tar process I get the errors: >> >> tar: /RAID/System/Backup/bin: Cannot rmdir: Directory not empty >> tar: Exiting with failure status due to previous errors >> >> When I look in /RAID/System/Backup/bin, all that is left are a number >> of >> symlinks. Evidently, tar is unable to delete the symlinks prior to >> attempting the directory delete. If it makes a difference, these >> symlinks actually point to nothing. In any case, how can I get tar >> to delete the links and complete the job? > > This is a known bug¹ in tar 1.23. Upgrading to the wheezy version > helps, if that is an option for you. Oh, how cute. That's OK, I worked around the issue. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/loadnxo7tmtbp3xqnz2dnuvz5t0aa...@giganews.com
Gnome/KDE program launches hang when Internet disconnected - Lenny
I am running Lenny. The system is connected to the Internet via a Linksys BEFSR81router and a cable modem. My desktop is Gnome. If the Internet is inaccessible - e.g. if the Ethernet cable is disconnected from the computer, or the cable modem power is disconnected, or if there are problems on the provider network - many GUI programs take a long time (about 60 seconds) to launch. To be specific, I have an icon for gedit on a panel on my desktop. Normally if I click on it the program is launched within about 2 seconds. If the Internet is inaccessible, and I click on it, nothing whatsoever appears on the screen for 60 seconds, then the gedit window appears. Once the program is launched it works fine. This happens every time certain programs are launched, until the Internet becomes accessible again. Not all programs are affected. For example, from the "Graphics" section of my start menu, GImageView, Gimp, GPicView, Inkscape, and XSane are NOT affected. Xpdf is not affected. When an affected program is launched, and the Internet is accessible, there is activity on the cable modem (lights flash) before the program window first appears. When an unaffected program is launched, this does not happen in most cases. I have checked the router logs. There is no sign of activity in the logs correlated to program launches. However the logs appear to show only TCP and UDP transfers. They do not appear to show e.g. DNS lookups, and they may not show mere connections if no transfer occurs. It appears that ALL programs that use the Qt application framework are affected. I am basing that on the distinctive "look" of Qt windows. It appears that MOST OR ALL programs designed to work specifically with Gnome are affected. (Often these are identified by the phrase "for Gnome" in their Help-About windows.) The programs that are not affected appear to be older GTK+ programs. I don't clearly understand the gnome-vfs system, but it seems as if the affected programs are perhaps initializing a high-level file system which tries to make some contact with the Internet, perhaps with a DNS server, and has a 60 second timeout on that access. I've looked at Gnome and gnome-vfs2.0 config files but I don't immediately see anything relevant. I do not and have never used any kind of Internet networking with this system other than the usual FTP, SFTP, and web browser clients. I've Googled "Linux program launch hangs when Internet disconnected" and similar phrases, with no relevant results. Any advice would be gratefully accepted. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4de8ab8f.9050...@hushmail.com
iceweasel & swiftfox not rendering pages
Hi all Has anyone else experienced problems with Iceweasel/ Swiftfox not rendering web pages properly? Any page I go to will be rendered with blue hypertext text only, no images, no lay out, etc., whilst other browsers (Iceape, Opera, Chromium) do the job just fine. Cheers AG -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4de8aa11.2000...@gmail.com
Re: google to pull support for firefox 3,5
On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 08:32 +0200, alberto fuentes wrote: > > > On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 9:49 PM, Ralf Mardorf > wrote: > E.g. > http://www.ixquick.com/ > and > http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm > can't replace Google for my needs. > > Have you tried http://duckduckgo.com/ > > They say they do not track and results are pretty nice. I followed the > guy for a while and it seems a pet project that worked well for him. I > would say its legit... for now. > > greets > aL > No, but at least for searches in English I'll test it. A problem is to get a search Engine for other languages too. I would like to have a Engine for German searches, since my German is a little bit better, than my horrible broken English is ;). Thank you, Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1307096259.2190.2.camel@debian
Search engines to replace or to add to Google [was: google to pull support for firefox 3,5]
On Fri, 2011-06-03 at 09:38 +0200, Klaus Wolf wrote: > Hallo together, > > it is not new that google or yahoo wants to see the whole world > as a glasfish. So for surch the web I use metacrawler like the > server of Uni Kassel www.metager.de . > > whish a nice day to all > > klaus Thank you Klaus :) and pardon that I captured the thread. This wasn't my intention. Starting a collection of search engines that might be trustful and will give good hits: http://www.ixquick.com/ http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm http://duckduckgo.com/ FWIW there is no www.google.com/linux anymore (Google's search engine for Linux), but new to me, http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/ for their stuff only. Important are search engines that also provide other languages, not only English. Cheers! Ralf -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1307097588.2190.11.camel@debian
Adobe flash sound issues
Hello there. I got an annoying problem with flash sound. On some services (eg Grooveshark) I hear scratches and deformities during playback. The actuall track is heard on the background though. I have flash installed through the flashplugin-nonfree packages. The problem even exists on Google Chrome, which is supposed to use a flash installation of its own. As far as I know flash version is not the latest. I am using Debian testing on a Dell Studio 1555 laptop with kde and alsa. 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) : This is what lspci gives me about my sound card. This may be related to my problem, cause for a few weeks vlc gives me an error that the soundcard is already in use when another sound is already playing. In case you need more info, just tell. Thanks in advance for your help, John P.S: Please CC me in your replies cause I am not subscribed to this mailing list
Re: Adobe flash sound issues
On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 14:01:27 +0300, John Kapnogiannis wrote: > Hello there. I got an annoying problem with flash sound. On some > services (eg Grooveshark) I hear scratches and deformities during > playback. The actuall track is > heard on the background though. I have flash installed through the > flashplugin-nonfree packages. The problem even exists on Google Chrome, > which is supposed to > use a flash installation of its own. As far as I know flash version is > not the latest. I am using Debian testing on a Dell Studio 1555 laptop > with kde and alsa. I would first check if you have installed the latest version (for linux that's now "10.3.181.14"): http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ If not, try with the most updated flash player from Adobe. > 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio > Controller (rev 03) : This is what lspci gives me about my sound card. > This may be related > to my problem, cause for a few weeks vlc gives me an error that the > soundcard is already in use when another sound is already playing. "lsof | grep snd" will tell you if there is some sound process opened. > In case you need more info, just tell. > > Thanks in advance for your help, > > John > > P.S: Please CC me in your replies cause I am not subscribed to this > mailing list Sorry but I can't :-( You can read the mailing list archive. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.06.03.11.35...@gmail.com
Re: iceweasel & swiftfox not rendering pages
On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 10:32:01 +0100, AG wrote: > Has anyone else experienced problems with Iceweasel/ Swiftfox not > rendering web pages properly? Any page I go to will be rendered with > blue hypertext text only, no images, no lay out, etc., whilst other > browsers (Iceape, Opera, Chromium) do the job just fine. Under what Debian version? It could be: a/ If you're running testing/sid, a bad update → wait & see :-) b/ Corrupted browser's user profile → try with a new empty one Anyway, and just in case, I would perform a full cache cleaning. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.06.03.11.40...@gmail.com
Re: M4A88TD-V EVO/USB3 Realtek ALC892 - No sound(mostly)
On 17/05/11 03:35, Camaleón wrote: > On Mon, 16 May 2011 06:45:37 +1000, Adrian Levi wrote: > >>> Are you sure the output jack is in the right socket? These multi-input/ >>> ouput audio cards are going to get us crazy :-) >> I know, most of us only have 2 ears... (Yes it's in the right socket >> although i try the other non mic ones as well). > Very true :-) > > With all this high definition audio interfaces around us, we almost have > forgotten how it sounded the old cassette tapes and how happy we were > with that "crusty" sound. > >>> I would start for the easiest thing, that is, edit "/etc/modprobe/alsa- >>> base.conf" and add to the bottom: >>> >>> options snd-hda-intel model=asus >> I have tried a few of these but as I can mute and unmute the mic I >> thought I'd be closer than that, I can see all of the other channels in >> alsamixer, under gnome I can even switch between the SB and HDMI cards. >> >>> Then reload the alsa module to apply the changes. >>> >>> (available "model=" values can be retrieved from "/usr/share/doc/alsa- >>> base/driver/HDA-Audio-Models.txt.gz" so you can test with many options, >>> like "6stack-digout", "asus-dig2", etc...). >> Ok, in all of my playing with linux I haven't had to do much with >> modules (probubly just lucky) I tried root@gemini:~# modprobe -rv >> snd_hda_intel && modprobe -v snd_hda_intel FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel >> is in use. >> >> How to make the module not in use? I don't have any sound applications >> open, I also tried unloading the snd module with the same mesage. > Realoading the alsa module makes only sense if you modified something in > your "/etc/modprobe/alsa-base.conf" so the changes can be applied ;-) > > Anyway, you can try with "alsa reload", instead. > > Greetings, > Sorry to have hijacked this thread days later, but I basically have the same issue and I can't work where I messed my sound up. I tried reinstalling alsa-base but no sound. I've got one of the SB EMU10K1X driver which just stopped working when I upgraded my system to wheezy. I'm not sure what more information I need to provide but when I do alsa reload I get this warning ; > Unloading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-seq-oss snd-seq-midi > snd-rawmidi snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq snd-timer snd-seq-device > (failed: modules still loaded: snd-seq-midi snd-rawmidi > snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq snd-timer snd-seq-device). > Loading ALSA sound driver modules: snd-seq-oss snd-seq-midi > snd-rawmidi snd-seq-midi-event snd-seq snd-timer > snd-seq-deviceWARNING: All config files need .conf: > /etc/modprobe.d/sound, it will be ignored in a future release. > WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper, it > will be ignored in a future release. > WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/sound, it will > be ignored in a future release. > WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper, it > will be ignored in a future release. > FATAL: Module snd_seq_midi not found. > WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/sound, it will > be ignored in a future release. > WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper, it > will be ignored in a future release. > WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/sound, it will > be ignored in a future release. > WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper, it > will be ignored in a future release. > FATAL: Module snd_rawmidi not found. > FATAL: Error running install command for snd_rawmidi > WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/sound, it will > be ignored in a future release. > WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper, it > will be ignored in a future release. > WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/sound, it will > be ignored in a future release. > WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper, it > will be ignored in a future release. > WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/sound, it will > be ignored in a future release. > WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper, it > will be ignored in a future release. > WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/sound, it will > be ignored in a future release. > WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper, it > will be ignored in a future release. > (failed). I changed the sound file in /etc/modprobe.d to sound.conf. That file has got this; > alias snd-card-0 snd-emu10k1 > alias sound-slot-0 snd-emu10k1 I'm on kernel 2.6.38. Would this be an issue? I'm not too sure what I might have messed with but I desperately tried fixing this but I'm not sure if I didn't cause the damage myself as I am on a tight time constraint and just need my sound back. I've also tried the Real-linux-audiopack-5.16 option suggested at http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA but to no luck. Any ideas? Thanks in advance. -- David Kinyua. ~Blessed are the young, for they will inherit t
Re: Avoid POP3
On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:21:47 -0400, Celejar wrote: > On Wed, 18 May 2011 18:27:29 + (UTC) Camaleón > wrote: > > ... > >> Next time you need to configure a POP3 account tell me if you leave >> enable the "keep a copy in the server" setting. It's not the default, >> it never has been in any MUA, or not in any I'm aware of. I don't think >> how is that so hard to understand. > > Getmail defaults to not deleting messages that it has retrieved via any > protocol, including POP. From its documentation: > > "delete (boolean) — if set, getmail will delete messages after > retrieving and successfully delivering them. If unset, getmail will > leave messages on the server after retrieving them. Default: False." > > Admittedly, it's an MDA rather than an MUA. In addition of being an MDA it's also an exception ;-) And admittely, in such programs (like Getmail or Fetchmail) it is very useful to have the "keep" option while configuring the application so you don't delete e-mails unless you are sure they're well routed locally and messages reach their inboxes. >> Of course, there are also fetchmail and getmail for that task and you >> can instruct both applications to keep a copy in the server. > > No need to instruct getmail to do so, it's the default, as above. I have > to manually invoke it with the '-d' flag, or use the 'delete' keyword in > the config files, to get deletion. As I said before, it's understandable that the default setting is "keep" in such programs to avoid missing e-mails while testing. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.06.03.12.02...@gmail.com
What kernel for AMD Sempron system?
Hello all, I just assembled a system with an M2V motherboard and Sempron processor, with Nvidia graphics card. I installed Debian Squeeze, then upgraded to unstable. Installed nvidia-glx, nvidia dkms, a new kernel and headers. The kernel that was installed with Squeeze was 2.6.32-5-686 which worked fine, but for Unstable the kernel is 2.6.39-1. The thing is, I can't figure out which one to run, because I see 2.6.39-1-amd64 and 2.6.39-1-686-pae, but neither of them work. When I try to boot from either I get a 'stack trace'. I thought this might have something to do with the warning I got about missing firmware in the new kernel, so I followed the advice and installed firmware-debian, but that has not helped. Is there another step I am missing? Any help much appreciated. -- Thomas Milne
Re: Avoid POP3
On 06/03/2011 07:02 AM, Camaleón wrote: [snip] And admittely, in such programs (like Getmail or Fetchmail) it is very useful to have the "keep" option while configuring the application so you don't delete e-mails unless you are sure they're well routed locally and messages reach their inboxes. That's right. Nothing worse than seeing dozens of emails disappearing because of a misconfigured MTA. [snip] As I said before, it's understandable that the default setting is "keep" in such programs to avoid missing e-mails while testing. Disagree. Defaults are for the *common* choices. Testing/configuring takes minutes to days, but the running can go for years. -- "Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt." Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4de8d2f1.6040...@cox.net
Re: What kernel for AMD Sempron system?
On 06/03/2011 07:11 AM, Thomas Milne wrote: Hello all, I just assembled a system with an M2V motherboard and Sempron processor, with Nvidia graphics card. I installed Debian Squeeze, then upgraded to unstable. Installed nvidia-glx, nvidia dkms, a new kernel and headers. The kernel that was installed with Squeeze was 2.6.32-5-686 which worked fine, but for Unstable the kernel is 2.6.39-1. The thing is, I can't figure out which one to run, because I see 2.6.39-1-amd64 and 2.6.39-1-686-pae, but neither of them work. When I try to boot from either I get a 'stack trace'. I thought this might have something to do with the warning I got about missing firmware in the new kernel, so I followed the advice and installed firmware-debian, but that has not helped. Is there another step I am missing? Any help much appreciated. Is the 2.6.32-5-686 kernel still in the grub boot list? If so, You could boot from that. The M2V has an AM2 socket, and all such chips are 64-bit capable, so both 2.6.39-1-686-pae and 2.6.39-1-amd64 *should* work. (I think you'd get a different error if the kernel was incompatible with the CPU.) -- "Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt." Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4de8d41d.2000...@cox.net
Re: wget & certificates
On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 16:58:23 +0200, Kamil Jońca wrote: > Camaleón writes: (...) >> Just for testing purposes, what happens when you run this? >> >> wget --no-check-certificate >> https://www.centrum24.pl/bzwbkonline/eSmart.html?typ=90&lang=pl > > Works. > > >> (note that should still getting through the encrypted channel) >> >> Moreover, are you getting the same error with another "https://"; site? >> >> I.e.: wget https://www.google.com > > Works. Hum... so it fails with one site but not all. Curious. Let me make some tests in my wheezy box: test@debian:~$ wget https://www.centrum24.pl/bzwbkonline/eSmart.html? typ=90&lang=pl [1] 4632 test@debian:~$ --2011-06-03 15:04:20-- https://www.centrum24.pl/ bzwbkonline/eSmart.html?typ=90 Resolving www.centrum24.pl... 195.20.110.130 Connecting to www.centrum24.pl|195.20.110.130|:443... connected. ERROR: cannot verify www.centrum24.pl's certificate, issued by `/C=US/ O=VeriSign, Inc./OU=VeriSign Trust Network/OU=Terms of use at https:// www.verisign.com/rpa (c)06/CN=VeriSign Class 3 Extended Validation SSL SGC CA': Unable to locally verify the issuer's authority. To connect to www.centrum24.pl insecurely, use `--no-check-certificate'. Wow, here it fails! In lenny it worked perfectly :-O Okay, let's see what "curl" says: test@debian:~$ curl https://www.centrum24.pl/bzwbkonline/eSmart.html? typ=90&lang=pl [1] 4634 test@debian:~$ curl: (60) SSL certificate problem, verify that the CA cert is OK. Details: error:14090086:SSL routines:SSL3_GET_SERVER_CERTIFICATE:certificate verify failed More details here: http://curl.haxx.se/docs/sslcerts.html It also fails here, but the message can be of help because Google returns a bunch of results pointing to some sort of bug here (openssl?). What to do? Dunno, but in the meantime you can safely connect to the site using "wget --no-check-certificate" because the cert is valid (you already know that because firefox told you so) and traffic is still being sent through SSL. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.06.03.13.14...@gmail.com
Re: Avoid POP3
On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 07:26:25 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 06/03/2011 07:02 AM, Camaleón wrote: (...) >> As I said before, it's understandable that the default setting is >> "keep" in such programs to avoid missing e-mails while testing. >> >> > Disagree. Defaults are for the *common* choices. Testing/configuring > takes minutes to days, but the running can go for years. When it comes to data loss, I prefer the application (any application) to take conservative settings that can be easily undone or adjusted as necessary. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.06.03.13.21...@gmail.com
Re: CUPS Cannot recognize lp0
On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 18:04:37 -0400, Ethan Rosenberg wrote: > I am trying to print from Debian and receive the following message: > "Unable to open device file"/dev/lp0": Permission Denied" > > The permissions for lp0 are 666. And who is the owner/group of it? This is what I get under lenny: sm01@stt008:~$ ls -l /dev/lp0 crw-rw 1 root lp 6, 0 jun 3 07:48 /dev/lp0 Also, to check if you are facing a permissions issue, try to send something to the printer as root. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.06.03.13.40...@gmail.com
Re: Backup script
On Wed, Jun 01, 2011 at 08:29:23PM -0400, mark wrote: > On Wednesday 01 June 2011 10:23:48 am Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > > Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > Hi :) > > > > > > I'm writing a script to backup the 4 Linux installs and the MBRs > > > on my machine. > > > > > > Is there a way to copy all 4 Linux by running one of those > > > installs? > > > > > > With a lack of knowledge I would backup the 3 Linux that aren't > > > running, by the running Linux and than boot another Linux > > > install, to backup the previously running Linux. > > > > http://www.mondorescue.org/ > > +1, many times mondorescue has saved me. > I love BackupPC. It gives you the choice of rsync, tar, smb, (maybe others). It pools common files, so if you have the same file on all 4 Linux installs, it only needs to save one copy. It has a handy web interface that lets you do all the configuration and restores. It handles network outages better than a simple cron job would. For instance, if the network is down during your daily cron backup, you don't get a backup until the next day. With BackupPC, it'll check every hour. It also supports blackout periods (times when you don't want backups to occur). It's really great software and it's in the Debian repositories. -Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110603134033.ga24...@aurora.owens.net
Re: google to pull support for firefox 3,5
On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 20:15:11 +0200, tadziu wrote: > i'm just curious, is there any chance to bring iceweasel 4.0 to stable > before google ends support for 3,5? i got 4.0 on my second computer with > squeeze, but i had to mess a bit to get it working, and it's not > performing as well as i've expected. > > > http://techcrunch.com/2011/06/01/google-apps-to-pull-support-for-firefox-3-5-internet-explorer-7-and-safari-3/ Wow... I'm still with 3.0.6. Anyway, "Google Apps"? What's that and who need it? >>:-P Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.06.03.13.53...@gmail.com
Re: Gnome/KDE program launches hang when Internet disconnected - Lenny
On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 05:38:23 -0400, Jack Dodds wrote: > I am running Lenny. The system is connected to the Internet via a > Linksys BEFSR81router and a cable modem. My desktop is Gnome. > > If the Internet is inaccessible - e.g. if the Ethernet cable is > disconnected from the computer, or the cable modem power is > disconnected, or if there are problems on the provider network - many > GUI programs take a long time (about 60 seconds) to launch. (...) I have not experienced that specific behaviour in any of my lenny systems. What I've seen if that when there is no Internet access, booting process delays a lot and once logged in, programs that require Internet connectivity -for most of their functions- are also experiencing a bit of slowness (like Icedove) but besides that, nothing more. What can prevent gedit to be launched quickly? Dunno, but I see no relation between network and gedit :-?. What it could happen is that system daemons running in background which require Internet access (ntp, newsreaders, e-mail chechers, weather applets, etc...) are consuming more resources and CPU when network is off and so loading the system but unless your computer has a low ammount of ram or is very busy that shouldn't be noticeable. Run "top" to check for any runaway process. Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2011.06.03.14.13...@gmail.com
Re: google to pull support for firefox 3,5
You can do the old style image search interface like this: http://www.google.com/images?um=1&hl=en&newwindow=1&complete=0&sout=1&biw=1262&bih=914&site=images&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=debian&btnG=Search Of course the individual results interface still sucks. --- On Fri, 6/3/11, Ron Johnson wrote: > From: Ron Johnson > Subject: Re: google to pull support for firefox 3,5 > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 3:49 AM > > I've been using ever since Google decided to start > showing site > >> thumbnails on mouseover events. > > > > I've never seen those. > > It does in the "Images" results pages. > > -- > "Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will > secure > the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are > universally > corrupt." > Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 > > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/108046.46289...@web59508.mail.ac4.yahoo.com
Re: google to pull support for firefox 3,5
DuckDuckGo is my first choice but I have found that the results just aren't as good as Google for technical searches. For everyday stuff they're OK. --- On Fri, 6/3/11, alberto fuentes wrote: From: alberto fuentes Subject: Re: google to pull support for firefox 3,5 To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 1:32 AM Have you tried http://duckduckgo.com/ They say they do not track and results are pretty nice. I followed the guy for a while and it seems a pet project that worked well for him. I would say its legit... for now. greets aL -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/546205.89158...@web59514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com
Re: aptitude/apt-get hangs during update (plus) on IPv6
On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 09:42:49 +0200 Pascal Hambourg wrote: > Hello, > > Jeffrey B. Green a écrit : > > > > I'm seeing if there is an alternate answer here before filing a > > bug. (I believe) All of the servers here that have IPv6 configured > > hang while attempting an update on security.debian.org. If I turn > > off IPv6 by deconfiguring the IPv6 address, then the update goes > > through fine. > > It could be an MTU/MSS issue. See the recent discussion in the > debian-ipv6 list with subject "schein.debian.org" [2001:4f8:8:36::6]. > Many thanks. Changing the MTU to 1480 as suggested worked. Indeed as was mentioned my connection to the IPv6 network is via a tunnel and I'm assuming as a poster commented that someone on the path is not handling the packaging correctly. -jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110603104634.467a8...@naro.kikisoso.org
Samba or NFS
Hi, I have two linux servers. One file server (debian) that is running samba and one application server (redhat). I would like to mount the shares of the file server in the application server. The problem is that the usernames are very different. Samba is already running and easier to set-up. NFS seems to be more difficult to set-up and also there are more security issues. Which are the advantages of NFS over Samba (cifs) other than the symbolic links. I read that even some people prefer samba over NFS to connect Unix to Unix. Thanks, Dan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTi=xnw8vhvfjugegljkmjrvyrgw...@mail.gmail.com
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LUKS-partition-failed-to-mount
Hi all, I'm a debian newbie who are previously using archlinux. I've a disk with the following layout: sda1 pri - Windows partition; sda3 pri - archlinux /boot sda4 pri - archlinux LUKS partition (with lvm in it, the rest partitions /, /var, swap and most important /home) sda5 logic - debian /boot sda6 logic - debian LUKS partition (with lvm in it, where a base just-installed system lies) My two arch partitions remained untouched during the installation of debian, and no bootloaders was installed since I've already a grub installed in the MBR. But when I tried to boot my arch again, the crypt hook reported that "ERROR:Failed to open encryption mapping: The device /dev/sda4 is not a LUKS volume and the crypto= parameter was not specified." So what can I do now to re-access to at least my data? Thank you VERY MUCH since I forgot to backup them first -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTi=tFf3QGR7k4Ma=lxyoeexfn2-...@mail.gmail.com
Re: LUKS-partition-failed-to-mount
Please show us the commands you are trying to execute, in order. On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Mervyn Zhang wrote: > Hi all, I'm a debian newbie who are previously using archlinux. I've a > disk with the following layout: > > sda1 pri - Windows partition; > sda3 pri - archlinux /boot > sda4 pri - archlinux LUKS partition (with lvm in it, the rest > partitions /, /var, swap and most important /home) > sda5 logic - debian /boot > sda6 logic - debian LUKS partition (with lvm in it, where a base > just-installed system lies) > > My two arch partitions remained untouched during the installation of > debian, and no bootloaders was installed since I've already a grub > installed in the MBR. > > But when I tried to boot my arch again, the crypt hook reported that > > "ERROR:Failed to open encryption mapping: The device /dev/sda4 is not > a LUKS volume and the crypto= parameter was not specified." > > So what can I do now to re-access to at least my data? Thank you VERY > MUCH since I forgot to backup them first > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: > http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTi=tFf3QGR7k4Ma=lxyoeexfn2-...@mail.gmail.com > >
Re: LUKS-partition-failed-to-mount
Ah, I've never used crypt on the system partition before.. sorry, can't help :( On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Mervyn Zhang wrote: > Well, it was at first the debian-installer commands(options in the > text expert mode, I don't know the exact ones): > > making /dev/sda5 a ext2, /boot partition and making /dev/sda6 a lvm > one on top of a LUKS crypted partition. > > When I was about to boot arch, the grub commands should be: > > root (hd0,2) > kernel /vmlinuz26-lts root=/dev/mapper/cryptpool-cryptroot > cryptdevice=/dev/sda4:cryptpv resume=/dev/mapper/cryptpool-cryptswap > ro > initrd /kernel26-lts.img > boot > > (where the "cryptpool" is the name of the VG, "cryptpv" is PV) > > 2011/6/3, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] > : > > Please show us the commands you are trying to execute, in order. > > > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Mervyn Zhang > wrote: > > > >> Hi all, I'm a debian newbie who are previously using archlinux. I've a > >> disk with the following layout: > >> > >> sda1 pri - Windows partition; > >> sda3 pri - archlinux /boot > >> sda4 pri - archlinux LUKS partition (with lvm in it, the rest > >> partitions /, /var, swap and most important /home) > >> sda5 logic - debian /boot > >> sda6 logic - debian LUKS partition (with lvm in it, where a base > >> just-installed system lies) > >> > >> My two arch partitions remained untouched during the installation of > >> debian, and no bootloaders was installed since I've already a grub > >> installed in the MBR. > >> > >> But when I tried to boot my arch again, the crypt hook reported that > >> > >> "ERROR:Failed to open encryption mapping: The device /dev/sda4 is not > >> a LUKS volume and the crypto= parameter was not specified." > >> > >> So what can I do now to re-access to at least my data? Thank you VERY > >> MUCH since I forgot to backup them first > >> > >> > >> -- > >> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > >> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > >> listmas...@lists.debian.org > >> Archive: > >> > http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTi=tFf3QGR7k4Ma=lxyoeexfn2-...@mail.gmail.com > >> > >> > > >
Re: CUPS Cannot recognize lp0
El 2011-06-03 a las 10:54 -0400, Ethan Rosenberg escribió: (resending to the list) > At 09:40 AM 6/3/2011, you wrote: >> On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 18:04:37 -0400, Ethan Rosenberg wrote: >> >> > I am trying to print from Debian and receive the following message: >> > "Unable to open device file"/dev/lp0": Permission Denied" >> > >> > The permissions for lp0 are 666. >> >> And who is the owner/group of it? >> >> This is what I get under lenny: >> >> sm01@stt008:~$ ls -l /dev/lp0 >> crw-rw 1 root lp 6, 0 jun 3 07:48 /dev/lp0 >> >> Also, to check if you are facing a permissions issue, try to send >> something to the printer as root. > Camaleon - > > Thanks. > > This is a mystery.. > $ls -la /dev/lp0 > Cannot access: No such file or directory Uh? Did the port "automagically" vanish? Is the printer on? :-? > $locate lp0 > $ "Locate" neither works for me but udev has to create the printer port facility under "/dev" :-? > Where did lp0 go? I dunno :-) But if there is a printer port it should have been detected, try: dmesg | grep lp lsmod | grep lp Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110603153456.ga6...@stt008.linux.site
Re: LUKS-partition-failed-to-mount
Well, it was at first the debian-installer commands(options in the text expert mode, I don't know the exact ones): making /dev/sda5 a ext2, /boot partition and making /dev/sda6 a lvm one on top of a LUKS crypted partition. When I was about to boot arch, the grub commands should be: root (hd0,2) kernel /vmlinuz26-lts root=/dev/mapper/cryptpool-cryptroot cryptdevice=/dev/sda4:cryptpv resume=/dev/mapper/cryptpool-cryptswap ro initrd /kernel26-lts.img boot (where the "cryptpool" is the name of the VG, "cryptpv" is PV) 2011/6/3, Cal Leeming [Simplicity Media Ltd] : > Please show us the commands you are trying to execute, in order. > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Mervyn Zhang wrote: > >> Hi all, I'm a debian newbie who are previously using archlinux. I've a >> disk with the following layout: >> >> sda1 pri - Windows partition; >> sda3 pri - archlinux /boot >> sda4 pri - archlinux LUKS partition (with lvm in it, the rest >> partitions /, /var, swap and most important /home) >> sda5 logic - debian /boot >> sda6 logic - debian LUKS partition (with lvm in it, where a base >> just-installed system lies) >> >> My two arch partitions remained untouched during the installation of >> debian, and no bootloaders was installed since I've already a grub >> installed in the MBR. >> >> But when I tried to boot my arch again, the crypt hook reported that >> >> "ERROR:Failed to open encryption mapping: The device /dev/sda4 is not >> a LUKS volume and the crypto= parameter was not specified." >> >> So what can I do now to re-access to at least my data? Thank you VERY >> MUCH since I forgot to backup them first >> >> >> -- >> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org >> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact >> listmas...@lists.debian.org >> Archive: >> http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTi=tFf3QGR7k4Ma=lxyoeexfn2-...@mail.gmail.com >> >> > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTi=4mkjjjxpinvvauka6kdkrrmm...@mail.gmail.com
Re: New Guy asks: I want to run Squeeze, except for a few particular things...
On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 15:41 -0500, Paul Johnson wrote: > I want to run the stable distribution--Squeeze--except I need newer > versions of some key programs I use in my work, like LyX and R. And > since the kernel included with Squeeze crashes when I unplug the USB > headset, I need to run a newer kernel that has a patch for that > problem. (I'm afraid of testing because it does not appear it ever > pauses for a "snapshot." If Debian testing had "freeze points" like > "Fedora 14" or "Ubuntu 11.04" or such, I would probably run testing. > But testing never pauses for a mostly working snapshot. Right?) I summarised a couple of methods to obtain newer software on stable releases in [0] and you can, for example, easily install a newer kernel from backports. Both LyX and R might be harder to upgrade, but it is probably a good idea to search for backports too or attempt the "ssb" (simple sid backports) method outlined in the referenced mail. That might or might not be an easy thing to do, which depends entirely on the dependencies of these packages. I would, however, strongly advise against mixing stable and testing/unstable as this will just lead to madness. If all this doesn't work out for you, you might still want to try running Wheezy, which will require more work but gives you access to newer software. It is hard to find a good balance and you have to take this decision yourself. If you are interested in pursuing this approach I would recommend to read [1] or to pop into #debian-next on irc.oftc.net to discuss your needs. [0] http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/05/msg01325.html [1] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable -- .''`. Wolodja Wentland : :' : `. `'` 4096R/CAF14EFC `- 081C B7CD FF04 2BA9 94EA 36B2 8B7F 7D30 CAF1 4EFC signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: New Guy asks: I want to run Squeeze, except for a few particular things...
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Wolodja Wentland wrote: > On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 15:41 -0500, Paul Johnson wrote: > > I want to run the stable distribution--Squeeze--except I need newer > > versions of some key programs I use in my work, like LyX and R. And > > since the kernel included with Squeeze crashes when I unplug the USB > > headset, I need to run a newer kernel that has a patch for that > > problem. (I'm afraid of testing because it does not appear it ever > > pauses for a "snapshot." If Debian testing had "freeze points" like > > "Fedora 14" or "Ubuntu 11.04" or such, I would probably run testing. > > But testing never pauses for a mostly working snapshot. Right?) > > I summarised a couple of methods to obtain newer software on stable > releases > in [0] and you can, for example, easily install a newer kernel from > backports. > > Both LyX and R might be harder to upgrade, but it is probably a good idea > to > search for backports too or attempt the "ssb" (simple sid backports) method > outlined in the referenced mail. That might or might not be an easy thing > to > do, which depends entirely on the dependencies of these packages. I would, > however, strongly advise against mixing stable and testing/unstable as this > will just lead to madness. > > If all this doesn't work out for you, you might still want to try running > Wheezy, which will require more work but gives you access to newer > software. > It is hard to find a good balance and you have to take this decision > yourself. > If you are interested in pursuing this approach I would recommend to read > [1] > or to pop into #debian-next on irc.oftc.net to discuss your needs. > > [0] http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2010/05/msg01325.html > [1] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable Well, another method is to use apt pinning, no? That way you can run stable but use testing or unstable packages when needed. It is very easy to do. There are many pinning howtos which can be easily found, basically you have stable, testing and unstable in your sources.list, then create an apt prefs file telling apt what the priority is for each. -- Thomas Milne
Re: LUKS-partition-failed-to-mount
03/06/2011 17:07, Mervyn Zhang wrote: > Hi all, Hi, I'm a debian newbie who are previously using archlinux. I've a > disk with the following layout: > > sda1 pri - Windows partition; > sda3 pri - archlinux /boot > sda4 pri - archlinux LUKS partition (with lvm in it, the rest > partitions /, /var, swap and most important /home) > sda5 logic - debian /boot > sda6 logic - debian LUKS partition (with lvm in it, where a base > just-installed system lies) > > My two arch partitions remained untouched during the installation of > debian, and no bootloaders was installed since I've already a grub > installed in the MBR. > > But when I tried to boot my arch again, the crypt hook reported that > > "ERROR:Failed to open encryption mapping: The device /dev/sda4 is not > a LUKS volume and the crypto= parameter was not specified." > > So what can I do now to re-access to at least my data? Thank you VERY > MUCH since I forgot to backup them first > > First you could try to access your luks partitions from a live cd (use one with cryptsetup on board, or install it on the live-cd): (as root) cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda4 cryptarch then you partition will be available on /dev/mapper/cryptarch, you can create a mount point and try to mount it there: mkdir /mnt/cryptarch mount /dev/mapper/cryptarch /mnt/cryptarch If this doesn't work, try to gather informations on you luks with: cryptsetup status cryptarch You can also try to work with UUID rather than devices name, as UUID will remain stable (see cryptsetup luksUUID). There is always the possibility that partitions names got mixed-up during Debian installed, and you overwrite you arch partitions (bad), or the luks headers got corrupted somehow, equally bad if you never made a backup of the headers. In both cases your data would be lost (hope it's just a partition address problem). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4de908c1.2060...@googlemail.com
Re: Samba or NFS
3.6.2011 18:08, Dan kirjoitti: > Hi, > > I have two linux servers. One file server (debian) that is running > samba and one application server (redhat). I would like to mount the > shares of the file server in the application server. The problem is > that the usernames are very different. Samba is already running and > easier to set-up. NFS seems to be more difficult to set-up and also > there are more security issues. > > Which are the advantages of NFS over Samba (cifs) other than the > symbolic links. I read that even some people prefer samba over NFS to > connect Unix to Unix. > NFS is by far simpler to use in pure Linux environment, Samba is for Windows networks. NFS has no passwords, just install it with apt-get, and declare /etc/exports in the server, and mount the shares in the clients /etc/fstab. That's all it takes. NFS offers native looking folders to *nix machines over networks. -- Sheriff Chameleotoptor sighed with an air of weary sadness, and then turned to Doppelgutt and said 'The Senator must really have been on a bender this time -- he left a party in Cleveland, Ohio, at 11:30 last night, and they found his car this morning in the smokestack of a British aircraft carrier in the Formosa Straits.' -- Grand Panjandrum's Special Award, 1985 Bulwer-Lytton bad fiction contest. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: Samba or NFS
- Original Message - From: "Jari Fredriksson" To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Friday, June 3, 2011 11:58:15 AM Subject: Re: Samba or NFS 3.6.2011 18:08, Dan kirjoitti: > Hi, > > I have two linux servers. One file server (debian) that is running > samba and one application server (redhat). I would like to mount the > shares of the file server in the application server. The problem is > that the usernames are very different. Samba is already running and > easier to set-up. NFS seems to be more difficult to set-up and also > there are more security issues. > > Which are the advantages of NFS over Samba (cifs) other than the > symbolic links. I read that even some people prefer samba over NFS to > connect Unix to Unix. > NFS is by far simpler to use in pure Linux environment, Samba is for Windows networks. NFS has no passwords, just install it with apt-get, and declare /etc/exports in the server, and mount the shares in the clients /etc/fstab. That's all it takes. NFS offers native looking folders to *nix machines over networks. I don't know a lot about either but is "no passwords" still true with NFS4? Even if it is, is that one of the security issues the original poster is concerned about? Under heavy concurrent usage, are there locking issues with either? Which performs better under heavy load with lots of random file IO? I am particularly interested because our environment has been build around iSCSI. There is a possible shift in a core technology for us which may shift us from a SAN using iSCSI to a NAS using either NFS or SMB so we, too, are quite interested in others' experiences. Thanks - John -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/46b5dae0-f0a4-45bd-b0b2-d20c6f59eefb@jaseee
Re: Gnome/KDE program launches hang when Internet disconnected - Lenny
On 06/03/11 at 05:38am, Jack Dodds wrote: > > If the Internet is inaccessible - e.g. if the Ethernet cable is > disconnected from the computer, or the cable modem power is > disconnected, or if there are problems on the provider network - many > GUI programs take a long time (about 60 seconds) to launch. Do you have any network filesystems, such as via NFS, or have you mounted anything over the network within nautilus recently? NFS filesystems can cause things to hang indefinitely on network outages. -- Liam signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Samba or NFS
On 06/03/11 at 12:43pm, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > - Original Message - > From: "Jari Fredriksson" > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Sent: Friday, June 3, 2011 11:58:15 AM > Subject: Re: Samba or NFS > > 3.6.2011 18:08, Dan kirjoitti: > > Hi, > > > > I have two linux servers. One file server (debian) that is running > > samba and one application server (redhat). I would like to mount the > > shares of the file server in the application server. The problem is > > that the usernames are very different. Samba is already running and > > easier to set-up. NFS seems to be more difficult to set-up and also > > there are more security issues. > > > > Which are the advantages of NFS over Samba (cifs) other than the > > symbolic links. I read that even some people prefer samba over NFS to > > connect Unix to Unix. > > > > NFS is by far simpler to use in pure Linux environment, Samba is for > Windows networks. NFS has no passwords, just install it with apt-get, > and declare /etc/exports in the server, and mount the shares in the > clients /etc/fstab. That's all it takes. > > NFS offers native looking folders to *nix machines over networks. > > I don't know a lot about either but is "no passwords" still true with NFS4? > Even if it is, is that one of the security issues the original poster is > concerned about? > > Under heavy concurrent usage, are there locking issues with either? Which > performs better under heavy load with lots of random file IO? I am > particularly interested because our environment has been build around iSCSI. > There is a possible shift in a core technology for us which may shift us from > a SAN using iSCSI to a NAS using either NFS or SMB so we, too, are quite > interested in others' experiences. Thanks - John SANs will almost always perform better than NAS', FWIW. NFS has the better load handling and has good locking (provided you run it as recommended with portmap, statd, etc.) Samba is primarily used to share files to windows hosts. The security architecture of NFSv3 and earlier is based on simple UID reliance. You can stop root access altogether, and there's little concern of NFS leading to a system being corrupted, but it IS technically possible for a malicious user to delete other users files if you have write allowed. NFS is usually used in environments with trusted users (i.e. share only to specific machines, not the world). -- Liam signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Samba or NFS
Hi, On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 01:17:35PM -0400, William Hopkins wrote: > On 06/03/11 at 12:43pm, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > - Original Message - > > From: "Jari Fredriksson" > > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > > Sent: Friday, June 3, 2011 11:58:15 AM > > Subject: Re: Samba or NFS > > > > 3.6.2011 18:08, Dan kirjoitti: > > > Hi, > > > > > > I have two linux servers. One file server (debian) that is running > > > samba and one application server (redhat). I would like to mount the > > > shares of the file server in the application server. The problem is > > > that the usernames are very different. Samba is already running and > > > easier to set-up. NFS seems to be more difficult to set-up and also > > > there are more security issues. > > > > > > Which are the advantages of NFS over Samba (cifs) other than the > > > symbolic links. I read that even some people prefer samba over NFS to > > > connect Unix to Unix. > > > > > > > NFS is by far simpler to use in pure Linux environment, Samba is for > > Windows networks. NFS has no passwords, just install it with apt-get, > > and declare /etc/exports in the server, and mount the shares in the > > clients /etc/fstab. That's all it takes. > > > > NFS offers native looking folders to *nix machines over networks. > > > > I don't know a lot about either but is "no passwords" still true > > with NFS4? Even if it is, is that one of the security issues the > > original poster is concerned about? > > > > Under heavy concurrent usage, are there locking issues with either? > > Which performs better under heavy load with lots of random file IO? > > I am particularly interested because our environment has been build > > around iSCSI. There is a possible shift in a core technology for us > > which may shift us from a SAN using iSCSI to a NAS using either NFS > > or SMB so we, too, are quite interested in others' experiences. > > Thanks - John > > SANs will almost always perform better than NAS', FWIW. > > NFS has the better load handling and has good locking (provided you > run it as recommended with portmap, statd, etc.) > Samba is primarily used to share files to windows hosts. > > The security architecture of NFSv3 and earlier is based on simple UID > reliance. You can stop root access altogether, and there's little > concern of NFS leading to a system being corrupted, but it IS > technically possible for a malicious user to delete other users files > if you have write allowed. NFS is usually used in environments with > trusted users (i.e. share only to specific machines, not the world). just to mention it: NFSv3 has real security concerns (you have to trust in all machines connected to the network. A LOCAL root account on a client is sufficient to gain access to all files in the NFS-directory (by faking the UID). For NFSv4 this has changed. You can use NFSv4 in different modes. The easy one has the same problem. However, you can switch on strong authentification (based on Kerberos), then it's safe (the server verifies that the client has the correct Kerberos-token of this user -- UID is not sufficient), and even ask to sign all transfers (to block man-in-the-middle-attacks which could change the commands sent to the server) and encryption (to protect data privacy). However, it's much more work to install, as you also need a full Kerberos-setup Axel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110603174153.GR19127@axel
Re: Samba or NFS
On 06/03/11 at 07:41pm, Axel Freyn wrote: > Hi, > On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 01:17:35PM -0400, William Hopkins wrote: > > On 06/03/11 at 12:43pm, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Jari Fredriksson" > > > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > > > Sent: Friday, June 3, 2011 11:58:15 AM > > > Subject: Re: Samba or NFS > > > > > > 3.6.2011 18:08, Dan kirjoitti: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I have two linux servers. One file server (debian) that is running > > > > samba and one application server (redhat). I would like to mount the > > > > shares of the file server in the application server. The problem is > > > > that the usernames are very different. Samba is already running and > > > > easier to set-up. NFS seems to be more difficult to set-up and also > > > > there are more security issues. > > > > > > > > Which are the advantages of NFS over Samba (cifs) other than the > > > > symbolic links. I read that even some people prefer samba over NFS to > > > > connect Unix to Unix. > > > > > > > > > > NFS is by far simpler to use in pure Linux environment, Samba is for > > > Windows networks. NFS has no passwords, just install it with apt-get, > > > and declare /etc/exports in the server, and mount the shares in the > > > clients /etc/fstab. That's all it takes. > > > > > > NFS offers native looking folders to *nix machines over networks. > > > > > > I don't know a lot about either but is "no passwords" still true > > > with NFS4? Even if it is, is that one of the security issues the > > > original poster is concerned about? > > > > > > Under heavy concurrent usage, are there locking issues with either? > > > Which performs better under heavy load with lots of random file IO? > > > I am particularly interested because our environment has been build > > > around iSCSI. There is a possible shift in a core technology for us > > > which may shift us from a SAN using iSCSI to a NAS using either NFS > > > or SMB so we, too, are quite interested in others' experiences. > > > Thanks - John > > > > SANs will almost always perform better than NAS', FWIW. > > > > NFS has the better load handling and has good locking (provided you > > run it as recommended with portmap, statd, etc.) > > Samba is primarily used to share files to windows hosts. > > > > The security architecture of NFSv3 and earlier is based on simple UID > > reliance. You can stop root access altogether, and there's little > > concern of NFS leading to a system being corrupted, but it IS > > technically possible for a malicious user to delete other users files > > if you have write allowed. NFS is usually used in environments with > > trusted users (i.e. share only to specific machines, not the world). > > just to mention it: > > NFSv3 has real security concerns (you have to trust in all machines > connected to the network. A LOCAL root account on a client is sufficient > to gain access to all files in the NFS-directory (by faking the UID). > > For NFSv4 this has changed. You can use NFSv4 in different modes. The > easy one has the same problem. > However, you can switch on strong authentification (based on Kerberos), > then it's safe (the server verifies that the client has the correct > Kerberos-token of this user -- UID is not sufficient), and even ask to > sign all transfers (to block man-in-the-middle-attacks which could > change the commands sent to the server) and encryption (to protect data > privacy). > > However, it's much more work to install, as you also need a full > Kerberos-setup As I said, NFSv3 is for trusted environments. Many thousands use it with success and security, you simply consider the security problem carefully before implementation. Anyone you grant access to a share may, if malicious, read or write everything (if write is enabled) in that share. Limiting the scope of shares is usually sufficient even for corporate security requirements such as SOX and HIPAA. -- Liam signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: udev bug in Wheezy
On 06/01/2011 12:43 PM, Camaleón wrote: On Wed, 01 Jun 2011 11:27:24 +0200, maderios wrote: On 05/30/2011 10:01 PM, Camaleón wrote: On Mon, 30 May 2011 21:37:14 +0200, maderios wrote: I first sent this message in french language, sorry for my mistake I tried for the umpteenth time to return to Wheezy but I still have this problem with udev, which slows down the machine. The boot log shows that there is a problem. And the problem is...? What does the boot log say? :-) Hi I sent the log in attachment.. True! Sorry, I somehow missed it. Am I the only one concerned? I doubt it .. How are things going with you? Is there a solution? Thank's for any help PS: udev does not appear in the log of the boot of Squeeze and the machine is not slowed down at all You will have to provide more data. I'm with Wheezy and have no problems nor had noticed any regression (slow down) when booting :-? I think my last message was rejected as spam, so I post it again. My hardware is recent (sandy bridge) The machine is not not slowed down on the boot but later, when using Digikam for example. I've no udev problem with Squeeze. You mean it becomes slow when you connect your camera and open Digikam or just becomes irresponsive as soon as you open the application? I posted the boot log /var/log/boot here: http://pastebin.com/v8AsbG96 Wow... udev is very verbose. There are some warnings printed out but I don't think they're fatal. Besides the verbosity I see no other errors, but maybe it's worth reporting. Anyway, it is not clear to me the relation you see between udevd messages at boot and the slowness you experience later :-? Greetings, Hi I discover I've no /run directory in my Wheezy. I installed my first Debian 11 or 12 years ago (it was a "Potatoe") and then I updated every year. Squeeze has no /run directory for udev and the update from Squeeze to Wheezy didnt create /run. I thought it's time to install a new Debian/Wheezy. It's done (with Debootstrap). Now, I've no problem with udev but with nvidia driver. Trivial problem, routine . Thanks for your answer Greetings Maderios -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4de92285.9030...@gmail.com
Re: google to pull support for firefox 3,5
On 20110602_222757, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 13:21 -0700, Jeff Grossman wrote: > > On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 21:49:18 +0200, Ralf Mardorf > > wrote: > > > > >On Thu, 2011-06-02 at 20:34 +0100, Nuno Magalhães wrote: > > >> If their excuse was lack of standards' compliance maybe it'd kinda > > >> make sense. If. There's something called graceful degradation and it > > >> does "force" people to buy newer hardware. How green of Google Inc. > > >> Reminds me to start migrating away from their products and start > > >> treating them as Microsoft's. Guess i'll learn exim et al :) > > >> > > > > > >Unfortunately there seems to be no search engine able to replace > > >Google's search engine. > > > > > >E.g. > > >http://www.ixquick.com/ > > >and > > >http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm > > >can't replace Google for my needs. > > > > > >Btw. I talk homepages down that use trackers, such as Google analytics. > > > > > > > > Google will stop supporting older browsers for their Google Apps > > application, not their search engine. I am sure you will be able to > > continue using any old browser you can find to use Google Search. > > > > Jeff > > > > > > My reply was regarding to "reminds me to start migrating away from their > products and start treating them as Microsoft's", regarding to Google's > behaviour in general. I wonder if Google keeps track of whether or not a particular user has javascript enabled and charges advertisers different rates, based on the 'quality' of the prospective customer from an advertisers point of view. Like maybe some advertisers don't really want to have the aggrevation of dealing with Linux users. ;-0 Maybe some advertisers might actually want a refund. I feel so sorry for Google! So, so sorry! -- Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110603182401.gf3...@cmpq.lan.gnu
Re: Samba or NFS
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 1:49 PM, William Hopkins wrote: > On 06/03/11 at 07:41pm, Axel Freyn wrote: >> Hi, >> On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 01:17:35PM -0400, William Hopkins wrote: >> > On 06/03/11 at 12:43pm, John A. Sullivan III wrote: >> > > - Original Message - >> > > From: "Jari Fredriksson" >> > > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org >> > > Sent: Friday, June 3, 2011 11:58:15 AM >> > > Subject: Re: Samba or NFS >> > > >> > > 3.6.2011 18:08, Dan kirjoitti: >> > > > Hi, >> > > > >> > > > I have two linux servers. One file server (debian) that is running >> > > > samba and one application server (redhat). I would like to mount the >> > > > shares of the file server in the application server. The problem is >> > > > that the usernames are very different. Samba is already running and >> > > > easier to set-up. NFS seems to be more difficult to set-up and also >> > > > there are more security issues. >> > > > >> > > > Which are the advantages of NFS over Samba (cifs) other than the >> > > > symbolic links. I read that even some people prefer samba over NFS to >> > > > connect Unix to Unix. >> > > > >> > > >> > > NFS is by far simpler to use in pure Linux environment, Samba is for >> > > Windows networks. NFS has no passwords, just install it with apt-get, >> > > and declare /etc/exports in the server, and mount the shares in the >> > > clients /etc/fstab. That's all it takes. >> > > >> > > NFS offers native looking folders to *nix machines over networks. >> > > >> > > I don't know a lot about either but is "no passwords" still true >> > > with NFS4? Even if it is, is that one of the security issues the >> > > original poster is concerned about? >> > > >> > > Under heavy concurrent usage, are there locking issues with either? >> > > Which performs better under heavy load with lots of random file IO? >> > > I am particularly interested because our environment has been build >> > > around iSCSI. There is a possible shift in a core technology for us >> > > which may shift us from a SAN using iSCSI to a NAS using either NFS >> > > or SMB so we, too, are quite interested in others' experiences. >> > > Thanks - John >> > >> > SANs will almost always perform better than NAS', FWIW. >> > >> > NFS has the better load handling and has good locking (provided you >> > run it as recommended with portmap, statd, etc.) >> > Samba is primarily used to share files to windows hosts. >> > >> > The security architecture of NFSv3 and earlier is based on simple UID >> > reliance. You can stop root access altogether, and there's little >> > concern of NFS leading to a system being corrupted, but it IS >> > technically possible for a malicious user to delete other users files >> > if you have write allowed. NFS is usually used in environments with >> > trusted users (i.e. share only to specific machines, not the world). >> >> just to mention it: >> >> NFSv3 has real security concerns (you have to trust in all machines >> connected to the network. A LOCAL root account on a client is sufficient >> to gain access to all files in the NFS-directory (by faking the UID). >> >> For NFSv4 this has changed. You can use NFSv4 in different modes. The >> easy one has the same problem. >> However, you can switch on strong authentification (based on Kerberos), >> then it's safe (the server verifies that the client has the correct >> Kerberos-token of this user -- UID is not sufficient), and even ask to >> sign all transfers (to block man-in-the-middle-attacks which could >> change the commands sent to the server) and encryption (to protect data >> privacy). >> >> However, it's much more work to install, as you also need a full >> Kerberos-setup > > As I said, NFSv3 is for trusted environments. Many thousands use it with > success and security, you simply consider the security problem carefully > before implementation. Anyone you grant access to a share may, if malicious, > read or write everything (if write is enabled) in that share. Limiting the > scope of shares is usually sufficient even for corporate security > requirements such as SOX and HIPAA. > > -- > Liam > Thanks a lot for your answers, I will use NFS. Both computers and the users are trusted. To improve the security I could set rules in the iptables to allow NFS access only to my computers. Dan -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktimkr7yjdk16ueuovczh4u6ezsh...@mail.gmail.com
Samba or NFS
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Dan wrote: > Thanks a lot for your answers, I will use NFS. Both computers and the > users are trusted. To improve the security I could set rules in the > iptables to allow NFS access only to my computers. > The problem is not that the users are trusted... the problem is if everybody in that lan is trusted. Anybody in your lan can spoof the trusted ip and get access to share AFAIK... As said previously nfsv4 should be used with kerberos if you want to do it properly > Dan > greets! aL
Re: CUPS Cannot recognize lp0
El 2011-06-03 a las 12:28 -0400, Ethan Rosenberg escribió: (resending to the list. Ethan, you are replying just to me, not to the list ;-) ) > At 11:34 AM 6/3/2011, you wrote: (...) >> > This is a mystery.. >> > $ls -la /dev/lp0 >> > Cannot access: No such file or directory >> >> Uh? Did the port "automagically" vanish? Is the printer on? :-? >> >> > $locate lp0 >> > $ >> >> "Locate" neither works for me but udev has to create the printer >> port facility under "/dev" :-? >> >> > Where did lp0 go? >> >> I dunno :-) >> >> But if there is a printer port it should have been detected, try: >> >> dmesg | grep lp >> lsmod | grep lp (...) > > Here is the output form dmesg and lsmod: > > rosenberg:/etc# lsmod |grep lp > drm_kms_helper 26550 1 nouveau > drm 129190 3 nouveau,ttm,drm_kms_helper > i2c_core 19022 6 > nouveau,drm_kms_helper,drm,i2c_algo_bit,nvidia,i2c_i801 There is no trace of lp? :-? > rosenberg:/etc# > rosenberg:/etc# > rosenberg:/etc# dmesg |grep lp > [0.00] On node 0 totalpages: 130639 > [0.008009] Calibrating delay loop (skipped), value calculated using > timer frequency.. 1993.57 BogoMIPS (lpj=3987152) > > Sorry, I am a newbie, so please tell me what it means. I can be wrong but it looks like your printer port is not being detected/recognized by the system (no kernel modules loaded and nothing in dmesg). But I'm not sure what's now the default in squeeze. In lenny (although I don't have a printer connected to LPT) I get: sm01@stt008:~$ ls -l /dev/lp0 crw-rw 1 root lp 6, 0 jun 3 07:48 /dev/lp0 sm01@stt008:~$ lsmod | grep lp lp 14724 0 parport41904 3 ppdev,lp,parport_pc sm01@stt008:~$ dmesg | grep lp0 [ 41.186048] lp0: using parport0 (interrupt-driven). And all that means that at least the system has detected the port and kernel loaded the right modules to manage it. Maybe someone with Squeeze can give you additional information on this, I dunno if there was a change on this :-? Some questions: - Why did you said in your first message that "permissions for lp are 0666"? Where did you see that? Or did the port dissapear afterwards? - What's your printer brand and model? - How did you configured the printer, via CUPS web wizard? Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110603201343.ga7...@stt008.linux.site
Re: Gnome/KDE program launches hang when Internet disconnected - Lenny
El 2011-06-03 a las 12:53 -0400, Thomas Milne escribió:
(resending to the list)
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Camaleón wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 05:38:23 -0400, Jack Dodds wrote:
> >
> > > I am running Lenny. The system is connected to the Internet via a
> > > Linksys BEFSR81router and a cable modem. My desktop is Gnome.
> > >
> > > If the Internet is inaccessible - e.g. if the Ethernet cable is
> > > disconnected from the computer, or the cable modem power is
> > > disconnected, or if there are problems on the provider network - many
> > > GUI programs take a long time (about 60 seconds) to launch.
> >
> > (...)
> >
> > I have not experienced that specific behaviour in any of my lenny
> > systems.
(...)
> > Run "top" to check for any runaway process.
> >
> >
> This sounds suspiciously like the effects of Gnome's notorious Network
> Manager. This tells Internet applications whether you are connected or not.
> That's where I would start looking, at least.
Yes, that would be a good test: shutdown the networking service
("/etc/init.d/networking stop") and then check if there is still a
delay when opening gedit.
Greetings,
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Re: udev bug in Wheezy
On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 08:05:57PM +0200, maderios wrote: > I discover I've no /run directory in my Wheezy. /run support hasn't migrated to testing yet, so this is expected. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linux http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' Printing on GNU/Linux? http://gutenprint.sourceforge.net/ `-GPG Public Key: 0x25BFB848 Please GPG sign your mail. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: udev bug in Wheezy
On 06/03/2011 10:42 PM, Roger Leigh wrote: On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 08:05:57PM +0200, maderios wrote: I discover I've no /run directory in my Wheezy. /run support hasn't migrated to testing yet, so this is expected. Regards, Roger Strange I got /run support this way: debootstrap wheezy ./ http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian M -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4de95669.2060...@gmail.com
Re: udev bug in Wheezy
On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 11:47:21PM +0200, maderios wrote: > On 06/03/2011 10:42 PM, Roger Leigh wrote: > >On Fri, Jun 03, 2011 at 08:05:57PM +0200, maderios wrote: > > > >>I discover I've no /run directory in my Wheezy. > > > >/run support hasn't migrated to testing yet, so this is expected. > Strange > I got /run support this way: > debootstrap wheezy ./ http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian That's quite odd. Both of the packages which could provide it (initscripts and base-files) are in unstable only. Regards, Roger -- .''`. Roger Leigh : :' : Debian GNU/Linux http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/ `. `' Printing on GNU/Linux? http://gutenprint.sourceforge.net/ `-GPG Public Key: 0x25BFB848 Please GPG sign your mail. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
FAIL: where is snes9x?
LOL, after 15 years snes9x has a GUI and the first thing that happens: debian removes it from the distro... so much fail... it impossible to grasp such a huge amount of fail... 3+ packages and i still need to compile shit myself... xD -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4de96605.6080...@gmx.net
Re: FAIL: where is snes9x?
On Jun 3, 2011 7:09 PM, "Dirk" wrote: > > LOL, > > after 15 years snes9x has a GUI and the first thing that happens: debian removes it from the distro... > > so much fail... it impossible to grasp such a huge amount of fail... > > 3+ packages and i still need to compile shit myself... xD > Just a thought - you do know that Google removed all of the console emulators from their market? One probably has nothing to do with the other, but I'd search around and if you can't find anything, ask the debian maintainer.
Re: FAIL: where is snes9x?
"Dirk" wrote: > after 15 years snes9x has a GUI and the first thing that happens: > debian removes it from the distro... thumper/~ apt-cache show snes9x-x Package: snes9x-x Priority: optional Section: non-free/games Installed-Size: 2432 Maintainer: Alain Schroeder Architecture: amd64 Source: snes9x Version: 1:1.5-1 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-12), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1-12), libx11-6, libxext6, libxxf86dga1, libxxf86vm1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1) Suggests: zsnes Conflicts: snes9x-common, snes9x-server, snes9x-fx, snes9x-svga, snes9x-opengl Filename: pool/non-free/s/snes9x/snes9x-x_1.5-1_amd64.deb Size: 971172 MD5sum: 27807c2e66ff2a71d2f5a08cfdeb6b1b SHA1: 2db1f2007ec37ab17e7715e7b04ca87f7e869f8a SHA256: 8467e3ce9723bfae330ce5f0fa77696c61ae9778da6e271a4ae8ac4f4f05b700 Description: X binaries for snes9x - Super NES Emulator Snes9x is a portable, freeware Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES) emulator. It basically allows you to play most games designed for the SNES and Super Famicom Nintendo game systems on your PC or Workstation; they include some real gems that were only ever released in Japan. Tag: hardware::emulation, implemented-in::c++, interface::x11, role::program, uitoolkit::xlib, use::gameplaying, x11::application -- John Hasler -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87lixiscoj@thumper.dhh.gt.org
Re: FAIL: where is snes9x?
On 06/03/2011 05:53 PM, Dirk wrote: LOL, after 15 years snes9x has a GUI and the first thing that happens: debian removes it from the distro... so much fail... it impossible to grasp such a huge amount of fail... There's this amazing new tool called the Search Engine. Type in a few words like "debian snes9x", poke around a bit and then you find stuff like: http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/snes9x.html http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/snes9x/news/20110314T095707Z.html http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=617588 == Please remove snes9x: - Orphaned since 1.5 years - Dead upstream - Low popcon - Non-free, free alternative exists (zsnes) Cheers, Moritz It's magic!!! 3+ packages and i still need to compile shit myself... xD -- "Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt." Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4de976f9.5050...@cox.net
Re: FAIL: where is snes9x?
Yeah, that figures ;) On Jun 3, 2011 8:06 PM, "Ron Johnson" wrote: > On 06/03/2011 05:53 PM, Dirk wrote: >> LOL, >> >> after 15 years snes9x has a GUI and the first thing that happens: debian >> removes it from the distro... >> >> so much fail... it impossible to grasp such a huge amount of fail... >> > > There's this amazing new tool called the Search Engine. Type in a few > words like "debian snes9x", poke around a bit and then you find stuff like: > http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/snes9x.html > http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/snes9x/news/20110314T095707Z.html > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=617588 > > == > Please remove snes9x: > - Orphaned since 1.5 years > - Dead upstream > - Low popcon > - Non-free, free alternative exists (zsnes) > > Cheers, > Moritz > > > It's magic!!! > >> 3+ packages and i still need to compile shit myself... xD >> >> > > > -- > "Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure > the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally > corrupt." > Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4de976f9.5050...@cox.net >
Re: FAIL: where is snes9x?
Lmao. On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:53 PM, Dirk wrote: > LOL, > > after 15 years snes9x has a GUI and the first thing that happens: debian > removes it from the distro... > > so much fail... it impossible to grasp such a huge amount of fail... > > 3+ packages and i still need to compile shit myself... xD > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a > subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org > Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4de96605.6080...@gmx.net > >
Re: FAIL: where is snes9x?
On 06/03/2011 05:53 PM, Dirk wrote: LOL, after 15 years snes9x has a GUI and the first thing that happens: debian removes it from the distro... so much fail... it impossible to grasp such a huge amount of fail... There's this amazing new tool called the Search Engine. careful. i am from 4chan bitch > Type in a few words like "debian snes9x", poke around a bit and then you find stuff like: http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/snes9x.html http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/snes9x/news/20110314T095707Z.html http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=617588 == Please remove snes9x: - Orphaned since 1.5 years - Dead upstream - Low popcon - Non-free, free alternative exists (zsnes) that's too bad... snes9x is better than zsnes... and more portable... and better.. :/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4de98496.5090...@gmx.net
Re: FAIL: where is snes9x?
On Jun 3, 2011 7:09 PM, "Dirk" wrote: LOL, after 15 years snes9x has a GUI and the first thing that happens: debian removes it from the distro... so much fail... it impossible to grasp such a huge amount of fail... 3+ packages and i still need to compile shit myself... xD Just a thought - you do know that Google removed all of the console emulators from their market? hahaha... good one.. we better call the police now after decades of emulation? shall we? xD One probably has nothing to do with the other, but my eyes are watering... > I'd search around and if you can't find anything, ask the debian maintainer. the maintainer appears to have dropped the ball... meh.. i am too lazy.. someone will pick it up.. or not... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4de9856e.8060...@gmx.net
Re: FAIL: where is snes9x?
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 21:07, Dirk wrote: >> I'd search around and if you can't find anything, ask the debian >> maintainer. > > the maintainer appears to have dropped the ball... meh.. i am too lazy.. > someone will pick it up.. or not... > per one of the other replies, it has been dropped on the upstream, if that is correct, what debian maintenance do you expect? go grab the package off the net, install it, and call it a day - chances are that package will be up to date for longer than the rest of the packages on your system :) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/banlktimgdadc4xef7v8m5yguwp2nqlp...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Samba or NFS
On 06/03/2011 11:43 AM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: [snip] NFS is by far simpler to use in pure Linux environment, Samba is for Windows networks. NFS has no passwords, just install it with apt-get, and declare /etc/exports in the server, and mount the shares in the clients /etc/fstab. That's all it takes. Fine for home environments, but shouldn't an office environment use LDAP for coordinated UID/GID sharing? -- "Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt." Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4de9a037.1030...@cox.net
Re: Samba or NFS
On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Dan wrote: > Hi, > > I have two linux servers. One file server (debian) that is running > samba and one application server (redhat). I would like to mount the > shares of the file server in the application server. The problem is > that the usernames are very different. Samba is already running and > easier to set-up. NFS seems to be more difficult to set-up and also > there are more security issues. > > Which are the advantages of NFS over Samba (cifs) other than the > symbolic links. I read that even some people prefer samba over NFS to > connect Unix to Unix. > > Thanks, > Dan CIFS clients mishandle mixed case filenames, such as 'file.txt", "FILE.txt", and "FILE.TXT". They also have a massively different idea of how file ownership and privileges work than the POSIX standards built into most UNIX and Linux native filesystems. And while I very much applaud the work of the Samba team for providing this cross-compatibility tool, it performs like a *dog* compared to NFS, AFS, ZFS, or the other more powerful network based fileysstems. NFS needs some attention to security: so does CIFS. But most of the complexities CIFS does more trivilally, such as mixed group ownership, can be resolved with tools built into NFS such as "netgroups" suport. And holy moley, but the speed of simple network operations like Subversion checkouts is *grotesquely* faster under NFS. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTi=5pby1shwoknz7rqtqumwfvbt...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Samba or NFS
On 06/03/11 at 10:02pm, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 06/03/2011 11:43 AM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > [snip] > > > >NFS is by far simpler to use in pure Linux environment, Samba is for > >Windows networks. NFS has no passwords, just install it with apt-get, > >and declare /etc/exports in the server, and mount the shares in the > >clients /etc/fstab. That's all it takes. > > > > Fine for home environments, but shouldn't an office environment use > LDAP for coordinated UID/GID sharing? The UID namespace is an orthogonal issue.. you can use LDAP or you can use simple file-transfer mechanisms to keep your passwd and group files synchronized. It's not a security issue unless you have users with different UIDs on different systems and you don't realize this when setting permissions. Although yes, most offices (big more than small) use LDAP or similar. -- Liam signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: FAIL: where is snes9x?
On 06/03/11 at 07:06pm, Ron Johnson wrote: > There's this amazing new tool called the Search Engine. Type in a > few words like "debian snes9x", poke around a bit and then you find > stuff like: > http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/snes9x.html > http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/snes9x/news/20110314T095707Z.html > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=617588 > > == > Please remove snes9x: > - Orphaned since 1.5 years > - Dead upstream > - Low popcon > - Non-free, free alternative exists (zsnes) I wish I'd seen that.. I'd almost be willing to take on maintenance duties, it's always good to have an alternative and many people prefer snes9x to zsnes. -- Liam signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Gnome/KDE program launches hang when Internet disconnected - Lenny
On 06/03/11 at 10:17pm, Camaleón wrote:
> El 2011-06-03 a las 12:53 -0400, Thomas Milne escribió:
>
> (resending to the list)
>
> > On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Camaleón wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 05:38:23 -0400, Jack Dodds wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am running Lenny. The system is connected to the Internet via a
> > > > Linksys BEFSR81router and a cable modem. My desktop is Gnome.
> > > >
> > > > If the Internet is inaccessible - e.g. if the Ethernet cable is
> > > > disconnected from the computer, or the cable modem power is
> > > > disconnected, or if there are problems on the provider network - many
> > > > GUI programs take a long time (about 60 seconds) to launch.
> > >
> > > (...)
> > >
> > > I have not experienced that specific behaviour in any of my lenny
> > > systems.
>
> (...)
>
> > > Run "top" to check for any runaway process.
> > >
> > >
> > This sounds suspiciously like the effects of Gnome's notorious Network
> > Manager. This tells Internet applications whether you are connected or not.
> > That's where I would start looking, at least.
>
> Yes, that would be a good test: shutdown the networking service
> ("/etc/init.d/networking stop") and then check if there is still a
> delay when opening gedit.
This would be the same as disconnecting the ethernet, wouldn't it?
Network-manager is not called from this script.
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Re: Samba or NFS--tangent
On 06/03/2011 11:28 PM, William Hopkins wrote: On 06/03/11 at 10:02pm, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/03/2011 11:43 AM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: [snip] NFS is by far simpler to use in pure Linux environment, Samba is for Windows networks. NFS has no passwords, just install it with apt-get, and declare /etc/exports in the server, and mount the shares in the clients /etc/fstab. That's all it takes. Fine for home environments, but shouldn't an office environment use LDAP for coordinated UID/GID sharing? /snip/ Not to steal the thread, but those who read this probably are the best to advise me. I know nothing about networking, but I would like to set up a peer-to-peer network among a Windows 7 and two Linux machines, one of which can also be booted to XP. (If one absolutely *must* be a "master" it must be the Windows 7 machine.) I assume I would use samba. I don't need any security--all the machines are mine, here in the house with me, and I live alone. What I need is words of one syllable on how to do it. Is there a "Networks For Dummies" for me somewhere? Thanx--doug -- Blessed are the peacekeepers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A. M. Greeley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4de9bb80.7050...@optonline.net
Re: Samba or NFS--tangent
On 06/04/11 at 12:58am, Doug wrote: > On 06/03/2011 11:28 PM, William Hopkins wrote: > >On 06/03/11 at 10:02pm, Ron Johnson wrote: > >>On 06/03/2011 11:43 AM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > >>[snip] > >>>NFS is by far simpler to use in pure Linux environment, Samba is for > >>>Windows networks. NFS has no passwords, just install it with apt-get, > >>>and declare /etc/exports in the server, and mount the shares in the > >>>clients /etc/fstab. That's all it takes. > >>> > >>Fine for home environments, but shouldn't an office environment use > >>LDAP for coordinated UID/GID sharing? > > > /snip/ > > Not to steal the thread, but those who read this probably are the best to > advise me. I know nothing about networking, but I would like to set up > a peer-to-peer network ... Peer to peer typically refers to filesharing programs. Can you explain what it is you want? I assume you've already got a network up, is it file sharing you mean? If that's so, you probably don't even need samba. Just smbfs/smbclient on the linux clients to read the stuff on the Windows 7 box. -- Liam signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Spin Off Question (was: What kernel for AMD Sempron system?)
Ron Johnson Said: The M2V has an AM2 socket, and all such chips are 64-bit capable, so both 2.6.39-1-686-pae and 2.6.39-1-amd64 *should* work. (I think you'd get a different error if the kernel was incompatible with the CPU.) The first thing I noticed about these two Kernels was the one is an amd64, the second is a i686-PAE which means it's a 32 bit with larger than 4GB Memory Support. My spin off question is this, can a user install a 32bit system (i686) and then choose to move to a 64bit system and perform a rolling update as such? I know that fundamentally, a 64 bit system consist of a 64bit Kernel and the core libraries (libc, gcc, etc.) Are 64bit, I am to understand that 32bit libs are present for backwards compatibility, but I'm not sure if those libraries are different from the ones in a 32bit only system. So my question boils down to if you can rolling update from 32bit to a 64bit system? If so what all would be involved? And does it boil down to being possible, but so intense as to negate the purpose, e.g. Just plain easier/better to wipe and start fresh. TeddyB
Re: Samba or NFS--tangent
On 06/04/2011 01:30 AM, William Hopkins wrote: On 06/04/11 at 12:58am, Doug wrote: On 06/03/2011 11:28 PM, William Hopkins wrote: On 06/03/11 at 10:02pm, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/03/2011 11:43 AM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: [snip] NFS is by far simpler to use in pure Linux environment, Samba is for Windows networks. NFS has no passwords, just install it with apt-get, and declare /etc/exports in the server, and mount the shares in the clients /etc/fstab. That's all it takes. Fine for home environments, but shouldn't an office environment use LDAP for coordinated UID/GID sharing? /snip/ Not to steal the thread, but those who read this probably are the best to advise me. I know nothing about networking, but I would like to set up a peer-to-peer network ... Peer to peer typically refers to filesharing programs. Can you explain what it is you want? I assume you've already got a network up, is it file sharing you mean? If that's so, you probably don't even need samba. Just smbfs/smbclient on the linux clients to read the stuff on the Windows 7 box. No, I don't have a network up. As I said, I really don't know anything about networks. What I want is not only file sharing, but the ability to use the Win 7 machine as a print server. (Linux is not fit to be a print server since it takes forever to print .pdf's. Maybe someday. . . .) Also, the Win 7 machine is closer to the printers, which are hard-wired. All of the machines are connected by ethernet or wireless. but the printers don't have either. --doug Blessed are the peacekeepers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A. M. Greeley
Re: Samba or NFS--tangent
On 06/04/2011 12:48 AM, Doug wrote: [snip] No, I don't have a network up. As I said, I really don't know anything about networks. What I want is not only file sharing, but the ability to use the Win 7 machine as a print server. (Linux is not fit to be a print server since it takes forever to print .pdf's. Maybe someday. . . .) Also, the Win 7 machine is closer to the printers, which are hard-wired. All of the machines are connected by ethernet But you say at the beginning of the paragraph that you don't have a network "up". Misprint? or wireless. but the printers don't have either. -- "Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt." Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4de9c8cd.8080...@cox.net
Re: Samba or NFS--tangent
On 06/04/11 at 01:48am, Doug wrote: > On 06/04/2011 01:30 AM, William Hopkins wrote: > >On 06/04/11 at 12:58am, Doug wrote: > >>On 06/03/2011 11:28 PM, William Hopkins wrote: > >>>On 06/03/11 at 10:02pm, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 06/03/2011 11:43 AM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: > [snip] > >NFS is by far simpler to use in pure Linux environment, Samba is for > >Windows networks. NFS has no passwords, just install it with apt-get, > >and declare /etc/exports in the server, and mount the shares in the > >clients /etc/fstab. That's all it takes. > > > Fine for home environments, but shouldn't an office environment use > LDAP for coordinated UID/GID sharing? > >>/snip/ > >> > >>Not to steal the thread, but those who read this probably are the best to > >>advise me. I know nothing about networking, but I would like to set up > >>a peer-to-peer network ... > >Peer to peer typically refers to filesharing programs. Can you explain what > >it is you want? > >I assume you've already got a network up, is it file sharing you mean? > > > >If that's so, you probably don't even need samba. Just smbfs/smbclient on > >the linux clients to read the stuff on the Windows 7 box. > > > No, I don't have a network up. As I said, I really don't know > anything about networks. here's the debian networking howto, for your linux machines: http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration the important files are /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf you can report back with questions or google a howto or hit up IRC for realtime support... > What I want is not only file sharing, but the ability to use the Win 7 > machine as a print server. IIRC it's easier to use linux as the server component for printing, but not impossible to go the other way. Unfortunately I don't have any windows machines, so I fear I'll be little help. Perhaps someone else can point you in the right direction. -- Liam signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: google to pull support for firefox 3,5
> Wow... I'm still with 3.0.6. my pc is still in 2.5 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/BANLkTimnO3HHNb3KJoF3zFRu6o9C6=u...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Samba or NFS--tangent
On 06/04/2011 01:55 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/04/2011 12:48 AM, Doug wrote: [snip] No, I don't have a network up. As I said, I really don't know anything about networks. What I want is not only file sharing, but the ability to use the Win 7 machine as a print server. (Linux is not fit to be a print server since it takes forever to print .pdf's. Maybe someday. . . .) Also, the Win 7 machine is closer to the printers, which are hard-wired. All of the machines are connected by ethernet But you say at the beginning of the paragraph that you don't have a network "up". Misprint? or wireless. but the printers don't have either. No, I can plug both the Windows and one Linux machine into the Laserjet, one on parallel, and one on usb. But the only way I can communicate between any of the machines to share files is to email myself thru the isp. And the only way I can print to the color printer is to move the usb cable to whichever of two of the machines--the Win 7 or the other Linux--it will reach. And it is far too late to move everything around, and anyway the printers only have two input ports, and there are three computers. I hope I have made sense? --doug -- Blessed are the peacekeepers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A. M. Greeley -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4de9cc68.2030...@optonline.net
Re: Samba or NFS--tangent
On 06/04/2011 02:00 AM, William Hopkins wrote: On 06/04/11 at 01:48am, Doug wrote: On 06/04/2011 01:30 AM, William Hopkins wrote: On 06/04/11 at 12:58am, Doug wrote: On 06/03/2011 11:28 PM, William Hopkins wrote: On 06/03/11 at 10:02pm, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/03/2011 11:43 AM, John A. Sullivan III wrote: [snip] NFS is by far simpler to use in pure Linux environment, Samba is for Windows networks. NFS has no passwords, just install it with apt-get, and declare /etc/exports in the server, and mount the shares in the clients /etc/fstab. That's all it takes. Fine for home environments, but shouldn't an office environment use LDAP for coordinated UID/GID sharing? /snip/ Not to steal the thread, but those who read this probably are the best to advise me. I know nothing about networking, but I would like to set up a peer-to-peer network ... Peer to peer typically refers to filesharing programs. Can you explain what it is you want? I assume you've already got a network up, is it file sharing you mean? If that's so, you probably don't even need samba. Just smbfs/smbclient on the linux clients to read the stuff on the Windows 7 box. No, I don't have a network up. As I said, I really don't know anything about networks. here's the debian networking howto, for your linux machines: http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration the important files are /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/resolv.conf you can report back with questions or google a howto or hit up IRC for realtime support... I opened the suggested url, and read the following intro: "*Reader Prerequisites*: To get the most from this article, understand the following concepts before reading: basic unix command line tools, text editors, DNS, TCP/IP, DHCP, netmask, gateway" I'm not afraid of command line tools and I can use nano or pico, or mc (yes, I've been around since WordStar days)--vi is a problem--but some of the network terms are not really clear to me. The only one I'm sure of is netmask, but I'm not sure if that is fixed to a machine or that is the "dynamic" part of DHCP. Nor do I know where the "name" in DNS comes from. As you see, I wasn't kidding about knowing about networking. However, I will google all these terms and see if that will clear things up. Then try the url again. (Meantime, I have to go to bed--it's 2:30 AM!) Thanx--doug What I want is not only file sharing, but the ability to use the Win 7 machine as a print server. IIRC it's easier to use linux as the server component for printing, but not impossible to go the other way. Unfortunately I don't have any windows machines, so I fear I'll be little help. Perhaps someone else can point you in the right direction. -- Blessed are the peacekeepers...for they shall be shot at from both sides. --A. M. Greeley
Re: Samba or NFS--tangent
On 06/04/2011 01:10 AM, Doug wrote: On 06/04/2011 01:55 AM, Ron Johnson wrote: On 06/04/2011 12:48 AM, Doug wrote: [snip] No, I don't have a network up. As I said, I really don't know anything about networks. What I want is not only file sharing, but the ability to use the Win 7 machine as a print server. (Linux is not fit to be a print server since it takes forever to print .pdf's. Maybe someday. . . .) Also, the Win 7 machine is closer to the printers, which are hard-wired. All of the machines are connected by ethernet But you say at the beginning of the paragraph that you don't have a network "up". Misprint? or wireless. but the printers don't have either. No, I can plug both the Windows and one Linux machine into the Laserjet, one on parallel, and one on usb. But the only way I can communicate between any of the machines to share files is to email myself thru the isp. And the only way I can print to the color printer is to move the usb cable to whichever of two of the machines--the Win 7 or the other Linux--it will reach. And it is far too late to move everything around, and anyway the printers only have two input ports, and there are three computers. I hope I have made sense? How do they access the Intarweb at the same time? Or do they? -- "Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt." Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4de9d5ab.8020...@cox.net
Re: Samba or NFS--tangent
On 06/04/2011 01:31 AM, Doug wrote: [snip] I opened the suggested url, and read the following intro: "*Reader Prerequisites*: To get the most from this article, understand the following concepts before reading: basic unix command line tools, text editors, DNS, TCP/IP, DHCP, netmask, gateway" I'm not afraid of command line tools and I can use nano or pico, or mc (yes, I've been around What do you current use to configure networking in Linux? (You must get to the Internet somehow...) -- "Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt." Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, 1749 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4de9d653.90...@cox.net
