Re: can't mount ntfs partitions in nautilus using ntfs-3g

[Tixy]

On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 20:25 +0800, Chris wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I use nautilus to mount my usb ntfs hard drive, but I can't write to it.
> If I try to create a directory, I get the message: Error creating 
> directory: Operation not permitted


I think this is bug 558673
(http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=558673).

I took a clue from a bug linked to that (554599) and added:

#link /sbin/mount.ntfs-3g /sbin/mount.ntfs

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Re: [Fwd: Re: Alt key not working]

[roberto]

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 1:20 AM, Chris Jones  wrote:
>
> Basically says that your Alt key is mapped to AltGr.
>
> Try:
>
> $ xmodmap -
> keycode 113 = Alt_R
> Ctrl+D?
>
> And check whether your Alt key is working again.
>
> CJ
>
> ? Followed by a dash, xmodmap reads your commands form stdin. After
> ?remapping your Alt key, you need to hit the Control and the D keys
> ?simulataneously to tell xmodmap that you're done.

i can say that it started to work again, but i say also that its
behavior its strange:
Alt_L: i can switch between applications, by Alt_L + Tab
Alt_R + Tab: i cannot

Alt_L: i can access menus of applications
Alt_R: i can !

Alt_L: i can access the i-th tab of firefox by Alt_L + i
Alt_R: i cannot

the actual output (after the above modifications) of xmodmap is:
~$ xmodmap
xmodmap:  up to 3 keys per modifier, (keycodes in parentheses):

shift   Shift_L (0x32),  Shift_R (0x3e)
lockCaps_Lock (0x42)
control Control_L (0x25),  Control_R (0x6d)
mod1Alt_L (0x40),  Meta_L (0x9c)
mod2Num_Lock (0x4d)
mod3
mod4Super_L (0x7f),  Hyper_L (0x80)
mod5Mode_switch (0x5d),  Alt_R (0x71),  ISO_Level3_Shift (0x7c)


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Re: debian support and laptops

[Klistvud]

Dne, 10. 12. 2009 03:28:44 je Daniel Dalton napisal(a):

On my laptop, a HP Compaq 6715b, everything works OOB in Debian Lenny, 
except:

- the fingerprint reader does not work, as there is no driver for it 
(for this hardware, the Linux driver is still "in the works" and will 
remain so for quite some time)
- haven't tested the smartcard which is bundled as default in the PC 
CARD slot
- haven't tested the firewire port
- haven't tested the modem
- the Broaadcom WiFi (BC 4382) only works with the proprietary Broadcom 
driver (and works quite well actually)
- the ATI fglrx driver works better than the open-source one 
(brightness adjustment supported, 3D acceleration for OpenGL games 
supported, and apparently consumes less power -- runs cooler)

You can find the exact lspci output and additional comments worth 
noting (or perhaps woth nothing ...;) on my tiddlywiki site (see 
my signature), under the headings My Computer and Laptops In Heat.

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Re: debian support and laptops

[Klistvud]

Dne, 10. 12. 2009 04:53:45 je Celejar napisal(a):
> 
> kvm requires CPU support. My understanding is that the performance of
> qemu is much better when enhanced with kvm. 

Can confirm that. On a sidenote: the HP Compaq 6715b with the 2 GHZ 
dual-core Turion *does* have the CPU extensions required to run kvm. 
Without kvm support, qemu is *quite a bit* slower. Now, exactly *why* 
somebody, in this day and age, would still go on manufacturing 
processors without hardware virtualization support built in, is beyond 
me. The production costs are in all probability virtually identical ...

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Re: can't mount ntfs partitions in nautilus using ntfs-3g

[Chris]

Tixy wrote:

On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 20:25 +0800, Chris wrote:
  

Hi,

I use nautilus to mount my usb ntfs hard drive, but I can't write to it.
If I try to create a directory, I get the message: Error creating 
directory: Operation not permitted




I think this is bug 558673
(http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=558673).

I took a clue from a bug linked to that (554599) and added:

#link /sbin/mount.ntfs-3g /sbin/mount.ntfs

  

Thanks. I create a link to mount.ntfs-3g, and it works fine.
I also think the link should be created by the package, not the user.

Re: can't mount ntfs partitions in nautilus using ntfs-3g

[Tixy]

On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 18:41 +0800, Chris wrote:
> Thanks. I create a link to mount.ntfs-3g, and it works fine.
> I also think the link should be created by the package, not the user.

Thats what Debian bug 554599 requests: "Please create
symlink /sbin/mount.ntfs pointing to ntfs-3g".

I personally didn't want to wait for any fix to get into the
repositories, so I applied it by hand. I guess it's possible that
manually adding the link now might cause a problem when installing an
fixed DEB package later...?

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Re: debian support and laptops

[Osamu Aoki]

Hi,

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:33:07PM +0100, Klistvud wrote:
> Dne, 10. 12. 2009 04:53:45 je Celejar napisal(a):
> > 
> > kvm requires CPU support. My understanding is that the performance of
> > qemu is much better when enhanced with kvm. 
> 
> Can confirm that. On a sidenote: the HP Compaq 6715b with the 2 GHZ 
> dual-core Turion *does* have the CPU extensions required to run kvm. 
> Without kvm support, qemu is *quite a bit* slower. Now, exactly *why* 
> somebody, in this day and age, would still go on manufacturing 
> processors without hardware virtualization support built in, is beyond 
> me. The production costs are in all probability virtually identical ...

For qemu-type environments:

qemu:   user-spaceonly virtualization
kqemu:  kernel module assisted virtualization
kvm:hardware  assisted virtualization

On HW w/o hardware virtualization support, use kqemu.

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Re: how to reset scd0

[lee]

On Wed, Dec 09, 2009 at 02:33:35PM -0500, Celejar wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 19:35:58 +0100
> lee  wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > how can I reset /dev/scd0 without rebooting?
> > 
> 
> If your driver has been built as a module, you can try removing and
> reinserting it.

Now even after a shutdown and turning off the power, the drive still
doesn't work. So this might be a hardware problem, and it's getting
off topic --- but any ideas are welcome ...


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Msn protocol

[Roy]

Hello,

Is anyone from you guys using Msn protocol, and unable to bring it up?

It has been two/tree days now, unable to use Pidgin or Centerim, and so
is a friend of my .. also Debian.

Regards,

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Re: Msn protocol

[Amar Cosic]

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Roy  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Is anyone from you guys using Msn protocol, and unable to bring it up?
>
> It has been two/tree days now, unable to use Pidgin or Centerim, and so
> is a friend of my .. also Debian.
>
> Regards,
>
> Roy Stuivenberg.
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I have this problem too on Lenny and can't find solution. Had to pull
Emesene to connect to MSN

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Re: how to reset scd0

[Klistvud]

Dne, 10. 12. 2009 12:17:33 je lee napisal(a):

> 
> Now even after a shutdown and turning off the power, the drive still
> doesn't work. So this might be a hardware problem, and it's getting
> off topic --- but any ideas are welcome ...
> 

Generally, when faced with a dilemma whether an issue is hardware- or 
software- related, I boot up a live CD or two. Any odd Ubuntu will do.

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Re: Msn protocol

[Tixy]

On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 12:43 +0100, Roy wrote:
> Is anyone from you guys using Msn protocol, and unable to bring it up?
> 
> It has been two/tree days now, unable to use Pidgin or Centerim, and so
> is a friend of my .. also Debian.

Yes, I had problems for a few days using Empathy. I resorted to trying
Microsoft's Messenger on Windows; it kept saying that I needed to accept
the term and conditions, and it sent me to a site which was unavailable.

After Googling, I found many suggestions that you need to login to
live.com and accept the terms of service (TOS) when propted. However, I
never got prompted when doing this, and ended up setting up a new
account - which then worked OK.

Funny thing, when I logged in to my old Live account the next day, in
order to delete it, I was then prompted to accept the TOS. Which then
made my old account work again. G.

I note the the TOS say you can't use unapproved third party IM
clients. ;-)

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Re: Msn protocol

[Leandro Quibem Magnabosco]

Roy escreveu:

Hello,

Is anyone from you guys using Msn protocol, and unable to bring it up?

It has been two/tree days now, unable to use Pidgin or Centerim, and so
is a friend of my .. also Debian.

Regards,

Roy Stuivenberg.
  


aMSN is working.


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Re: Msn protocol

[Roy Stuivenberg]

Emesene is working for me too !


Roy.



On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Amar Cosic  wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Roy  wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Is anyone from you guys using Msn protocol, and unable to bring it up?
>>
>> It has been two/tree days now, unable to use Pidgin or Centerim, and so
>> is a friend of my .. also Debian.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Roy Stuivenberg.
>> --
>>
>>
>> _
>>   _ooOoo_
>>  o888o
>>  88" . "88
>>  (| -_- |)
>>  O\  =  /O
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>> .'  \\| |//  `.
>>/  \\|||  :  |||//  \
>>   /  _| -:- |_  \
>>   |   | \\\  -  /'| |   |
>>   | \_|  `\`---'//  |_/ |
>>   \  .-\__ `-. -'__/-.  /
>> ___`. .'  /--.--\  `. .'___
>>  ."" '<  `.___\_<|>_/___.' _> \"".
>> | | :  `- \`. ;`. _/; .'/ /  .' ; |
>> \  \ `-.   \_\_`. _.'_/_/  -' _.' /
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> Emesene to connect to MSN
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Re: 'exim', version '4.69', is out of date-SOLVED

[Paul Cartwright]

On Wed December 9 2009, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> > Is how the program works. And one who install it have to know before hand
> > what kind of warning provides.
>
> Right. The fact that the OP asked this question (twice, even) clearly
> demonstrates he did not read the FAQ. In the FAQ you have in question
> 3.2 (right after question 3.1 with some very frightening text about
> things you should do before considering to ask for help) he would have
> found the answer to his question.

after reading that FAQ, and messing with the rkhunter.conf file, I was able to 
add this line:
APP_WHITELIST="exim:4.69 gpg:1.4.9 named:9.5.1 openssl:0.9.8g php:5.2.9 
sshd:5.1p1"

which solved my problem.
again, I never thought to look at a FAQ, the man pages didn't do it.
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Re: Msn protocol

[Leandro Quibem Magnabosco]

Roy Stuivenberg escreveu:


Emesene is working for me too !


Roy.

I've just read in another list that pidgin from backports is working too.


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merging LVM snapshots back to origin

[Γιώργος Πάλλας]

Does anybody know the status of this wish item?

For the time being, on a squeeze server, I see that lvconvert can only 
convert a linear volume to a snapshot and not vice versa.


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Re: debian support and laptops

[Johann Spies]

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:05:09AM +1100, Daniel Dalton wrote:

> Here is the list:
> 
> 1. Acer travel mate 6293 AU$1799 
> 2. hp Compaq 6530S  AU$1279 
> 3. hp Compaq 610  AU$999 

Just a general comment: I have a Lenovo Thinkpad R61 and although I am
running Debian on it at the moment, it was not always easy to get
everything to work.  I am actually using an Ubuntu kernel at the
moment because all the Debian kernels gave me irq-errors on this
laptop resulting in the disabling of the network card at times.

With Ubuntu installations everything just work.  So far I could not
get my Fn-F8 to toggle the the touchpad, but I am living with it.  On
Ubuntu that also worked.

So why do I use Debian?  I think it is more stable and I like it...

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Re: how to reset scd0

[lee]

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 02:15:07PM +0100, Klistvud wrote:
> Dne, 10. 12. 2009 12:17:33 je lee napisal(a):
> 
> > 
> > Now even after a shutdown and turning off the power, the drive still
> > doesn't work. So this might be a hardware problem, and it's getting
> > off topic --- but any ideas are welcome ...
> > 
> 
> Generally, when faced with a dilemma whether an issue is hardware- or 
> software- related, I boot up a live CD or two. Any odd Ubuntu will do.

Ok, but in which way would doing this help? I haven't changed the
software, and it was working before I tried to write a DVD RW. Now the
drive is somehow blocked, and unless writing DVD RWs generally damages
drives, I don't have sufficient reason to conclude that the drive is
now broken.

They have a new firmware on their website, but installing it seems to
require windoze, which, of course, I don't have:
http://www.lge.com/de/support/product/support-product-profile.jsp?customerModelCode=CH08LS10&matchedModelCode=NOT_MATCHED&searchEngineModelCode=CH08LS10&initialTab=documents&targetPage=support-product-profile

Maybe I should take it to the dealer and have them check it and
eventually change it out ...


yun:/home/lee# hdparm -I /dev/scd0 

/dev/scd0:

ATAPI CD-ROM, with removable media
Model Number:   HL-DT-ST BDDVDRW CH08LS10   
Serial Number:  H5798E65044 
Firmware Revision:  1.00
Standards:
Likely used CD-ROM ATAPI-1
Configuration:
DRQ response: 50us.
Packet size: 12 bytes
cache/buffer size  = unknown
Capabilities:
LBA, IORDY(can be disabled)
DMA: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 udma4 udma5 *udma6 
 Cycle time: min=120ns recommended=120ns
PIO: pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4 
 Cycle time: no flow control=120ns  IORDY flow control=120ns
yun:/home/lee# 


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Re: Unstable Update Caused Issue?

[S. Fishpaste]

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:43:34 +0530, Hrishikesh Murali in 
gmane.linux.debian.user wrote:
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>
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:34 AM, S. Fishpaste
> wrote:
>
>> Upon restart this morning the system doesn't accept either my root or user
>> credentials.
>> Any suggestions on fixing this? Thanks!
>>
>
> Well, during boot up, in the grub menu :
> 1) Press 'e' in either of the options.
> 2) Go to the kernel menu item and again press 'e'.
> 3) Press 'end' and then remove 'ro single' or 'ro quiet splash' depending on
> the menu item you selected, and type 'rw init=/bin/bash'.
> 4) Now, press 'b' and let it boot. You will get a root shell. Now, type
> 'passwd' and change the password.
>
> These steps are clearly available if you go to google and type 'reset debian
> root password'. No offense, but next time please check upon the topic on the
> internet or atleast google and then ask a question in the mailing list.


Yes I did and usually do; For some reason I was unable to find the correct
query phrase (usually happens when one is in a panic lol) hence no useable
results, unfortunately. 8-)

I thank-you very much for your accurate answer, kind sir!

Now I wonder if I was the only one hit with this occurence, after updating
unstable recently ...

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Re: Icedove 2.0 and French Dictionary

[Merciadri Luca]

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Camaleón  writes:

> On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:50:18 +0100, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>
>> I am using Icedove 2.0 on my Debian Lenny. Everything is in English
>> here, but I would like my Icedove to handle French words too. I tried
>> the add-ons on the website, but they seem to be written for Thunderbird
>> 3.x. Any idea?
>
> Try from here:
>
> http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/dictionaries.html
>
> If that either works, you could also try with OOo dictionaries as it 
> seems they are compatible with Thunderbird/Icedove.
Thanks. The link you gave allowed me to download the correct .xpi
file, resulting in a correct management of the French language under
Icedove.

Thanks!

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Restarting Barfed Xorg

[David Baron]

This sporadic mouse message onslaught fills up my /var partition and brings 
Xorg to a grinding halt. The system is still working. I can log in remotely, 
delete the multit-gigabyte syslog and daemon.log files. However, kdm cannot be 
restarted leaving reboot the only answer.

How might I kill and restart Xorg from a (remote) console?


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GRUB2 Squeeze

[Tudod Ki]

Two questions only: :)
1 - ~When will Debian Squeeze be stable?
2 - If it gets stable, will it contain GRUB2, so that I don't need to create a 
separated "/boot" when using "dm_crypt"-ed LVM?
Thank you, and sorry, if it were asked before. I just want to see clearly.


  

Re: Restarting Barfed Xorg

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 04:27:04PM +0200, David Baron wrote:
[...]
> 
> How might I kill and restart Xorg from a (remote) console?

sudo /etc/init.d/[kgx]dm restart

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Re: Msn protocol

[Andrew Sackville-West]

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:48:22PM +0100, Amar Cosic wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Roy  wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> > Is anyone from you guys using Msn protocol, and unable to bring it up?
> >
> > It has been two/tree days now, unable to use Pidgin or Centerim, and so
> > is a friend of my .. also Debian.

[...]

> >
> I have this problem too on Lenny and can't find solution. Had to pull
> Emesene to connect to MSN

please learn to trim replies a little bit. It's ridiculous to see more
than a full screen of what is unnecessary fluff just to read a one line
response.

regards

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[OT]What's the price index of your laptop's battery?

[Klistvud]

Howdie, fellow Debianites!

Just today I received the spare battery I had ordered from an online 
store; the old one had died on me -- as batteries are likely to do, 
eventually. It's an original HP spare battery for my HP Compaq 6715b 
and it cost just under 84€ with shipping and all. Now, the price 
represents roughly 14% of the retail price of the laptop (599€ when 
bought a couple of years ago).

I'm wondering what's the battery/laptop price index for other laptops 
out there? Is there any brand of laptops which comes with reasonably 
priced batteries (say, costing substantially less than 10% of the total 
laptop price)? Would you ever buy a car -- or even a mobile phone -- 
having a battery that cost 14% of the entire car/phone retail price? 
Anybody care to share?

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Networking problem

[freeburn]

I'm describing the scenario. plz help me with this.

In our office we have set up a private network. a central dhcp server
assigns private Ip's to all the Desktops. Now recently we are developing
an automated sms application. so we have made a wired connection with a
local operators smpp server. they gave us an ip and port that should be
used to get connectivity.

Now we want to use a machine which will be connected with the smpp
server and also connected with the office network for accessing our
remote content server(where our website is hosted). I have tried to use
two ethernate cards. but then the machine has two ip adresses one from
dhcp server of our office and another for smpp server.my networking
knowledge is zero. i know this question does not qualify for this
mailing list, but linux community was always helpful to me so i thought
they will help me out off the record:D  


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Re: [OT]What's the price index of your laptop's battery?

[Thierry Chatelet]

On Thursday 10 December 2009 17:22:46 Klistvud wrote:
> Howdie, fellow Debianites!
> 
> Just today I received the spare battery I had ordered from an online
> store; the old one had died on me -- as batteries are likely to do,
> eventually. It's an original HP spare battery for my HP Compaq 6715b
> and it cost just under 84€ with shipping and all. Now, the price
> represents roughly 14% of the retail price of the laptop (599€ when
> bought a couple of years ago).
> 
> I'm wondering what's the battery/laptop price index for other laptops
> out there? Is there any brand of laptops which comes with reasonably
> priced batteries (say, costing substantially less than 10% of the total
> laptop price)? Would you ever buy a car -- or even a mobile phone --
> having a battery that cost 14% of the entire car/phone retail price?
> Anybody care to share?
> 

1. This is spare parts. Unfortunately, there cost has nothing to do with the 
price of whatever you bought at first. Build a car from spare parts, you will 
pay it a few hundred times the price of a new one.
2. There are different quality of batteries, mainly dependind on the number of 
cells they contain. So it is difficult to compare the cost as you dont give 
much information
Thierry


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Re: Networking problem

[Michael Mohn]

Am 10.12.2009 um 15:22:17 schrieb freeburn:

> I'm describing the scenario. plz help me with this.
> 
> In our office we have set up a private network. a central dhcp server
> assigns private Ip's to all the Desktops. Now recently we are developing
> an automated sms application. so we have made a wired connection with a
> local operators smpp server. they gave us an ip and port that should be
> used to get connectivity.
> 
> Now we want to use a machine which will be connected with the smpp
> server and also connected with the office network for accessing our
> remote content server(where our website is hosted). I have tried to use
> two ethernate cards. but then the machine has two ip adresses one from
> dhcp server of our office and another for smpp server.my networking
> knowledge is zero. i know this question does not qualify for this
> mailing list, but linux community was always helpful to me so i thought
> they will help me out off the record:D  
> 

your approach with two ethernet-cards looks reasonable.
but you have to manage the routing on this particular machine.
if the ip-address the provider gave you is in a different subnet, you are set 
and ready to go.
if not, you have a problem which you can solve by either implementing complex 
routing or changing your internal addressspace.
if it does not work with the two interfaces, try debugging with ping/traceroute 
and look for problems.
maybe you should get in contact with local professionals to fix this issue.


bye,

Michael.



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Re: [OT]What's the price index of your laptop's battery?

[Klistvud]

Dne, 10. 12. 2009 16:40:39 je Thierry Chatelet napisal(a):

> 
> 1. This is spare parts. Unfortunately, there cost has nothing to do
> with the 
> price of whatever you bought at first. Build a car from spare parts,
> you will 
> pay it a few hundred times the price of a new one.

Agreed, it's spare parts. But buying a spare battery for your car will 
hardly set you back for 14% of the total cost of a new car.

It seems I may have phrased my question awkwardly, so let's try to 
rephrase it:

Would you ever buy a car -- or even a mobile phone -- where the spare/
replacement battery cost 14% of the entire car/phone retail price? Say 
you got the cheapest Clio or Fiesta for just under 10.000€, but would 
have to pay over 1400€ for a replacement battery when the old one died? 
Now, that would be an extremely peculiar business model in my view ;)

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Re: [OT]What's the price index of your laptop's battery?

[Klistvud]

Dne, 10. 12. 2009 16:53:49 je Paul Cartwright napisal(a):

> 
> one of the things I was told to do, was while you run the laptop on 
> AC
> power, 
> to unplug your battery.. this keeps it from being constantly in the
> CHARGE 
> mode, and maybe helps it last longer.. just a thought

I thought this should be taken care of by the charging circuit in the 
laptop: if I'm not mistaken, the charging circuit should put the 
battery offline when it's fully charged?

> I have a
> 4-year old 
> Dell XPS laptop that never lasts more than 2 hours on battery, but I
> don't 
> use it much anymore, since I stopped travelling :)

My sister has an even older Dell (it must be at least 5 or 6 years) 
which still lasts just under an hour on the *original* battery. In the 
meantime, I've had at least 3 or 4 batteries in two different Compaqs 
die on me. She never unplugged the battery in all these years; she 
couldn't care less, really ...


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Re: [OT]What's the price index of your laptop's battery?

[Camaleón]

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:22:46 +0100, Klistvud wrote:

> Howdie, fellow Debianites!
> 
> Just today I received the spare battery I had ordered from an online
> store; the old one had died on me -- as batteries are likely to do,
> eventually. It's an original HP spare battery for my HP Compaq 6715b and
> it cost just under 84€ with shipping and all. Now, the price represents
> roughly 14% of the retail price of the laptop (599€ when bought a couple
> of years ago).

If it's an original piece, I find the prize quite good :-)

But the final prize also depends on other "external" factors":

- The laptop model: business lines usually are a bit expensive and so are 
their batteries.

- Model age: older laptops (>3 years) suffer for higher prizes (and 
sometimes even it's difficult to order an original battery from 
manufacturers).
 
> I'm wondering what's the battery/laptop price index for other laptops
> out there? Is there any brand of laptops which comes with reasonably
> priced batteries (say, costing substantially less than 10% of the total
> laptop price)? Would you ever buy a car -- or even a mobile phone --
> having a battery that cost 14% of the entire car/phone retail price?
> Anybody care to share?

Toshiba batteries tend to be more expensive (around 75/85€ -vat and 
delivery expenses *not included*- in Spain). 

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Re: GRUB2 Squeeze

[Tixy]

On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 07:01 -0800, Tudod Ki wrote:
> Two questions only: :)
> 1 - ~When will Debian Squeeze be stable?

Last I heard the plan was to freeze features in March 2010, see
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg2.html
You would hope for a release a few months after that.

The unofficial Debian motto is that they'll "release when it's ready",
so don't plan on any rigid dates.

> 2 - If it gets stable, will it contain GRUB2, so that I don't need to
> create a separated "/boot" when using "dm_crypt"-ed LVM?

Yes, the current Testing version (i.e. Squeeze) has had Grub2 for quite
a few months.

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Re: GRUB2 Squeeze

[Mark]

>On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Tixy  wrote:
>
>The unofficial Debian motto is that they'll "release when it's ready",
>so don't plan on any rigid dates.
--

Wasn't there an email to this list a couple months ago from an official
Debian source that said Debian is adopting time-based release schedules?

Mark

Re: [OT]What's the price index of your laptop's battery?

[Johannes Wiedersich]

Klistvud wrote:
> Agreed, it's spare parts. But buying a spare battery for your car will 
> hardly set you back for 14% of the total cost of a new car.
>
> It seems I may have phrased my question awkwardly, so let's try to 
> rephrase it:
> 
> Would you ever buy a car -- or even a mobile phone -- where the spare/
> replacement battery cost 14% of the entire car/phone retail price? Say 
> you got the cheapest Clio or Fiesta for just under 10.000€, but would 
> have to pay over 1400€ for a replacement battery when the old one died? 
> Now, that would be an extremely peculiar business model in my view ;)

You compare things that can't be compared: your laptop is powered by the
battery, while your car is powered by the engine. A replacement engine
for a car can easily cost 14% of the total cost of a new car. And this
is still a silly comparison.

At today's markets you can easily find a torch that's cheaper than good
 rechargeable batteries to power it. Some years ago the market was
different, the quality of batteries was lower and the price ratio more
in favour of torches.

All this in mind, you might still have a valid point that prices for
spare batteries for laptops are too high. This is not a truly free
market, since there are too many different types of batteries, posing a
high barrier for market entry, and manufacturers try to impose a kind of
monopoly for replacement batteries (quite similar to the situation of
replacement ink cartridges).

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Re: [OT]What's the price index of your laptop's battery?

[owens]

>
>
>
> Original Message 
>From: quotati...@aliceadsl.fr
>To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
>Subject: Re: [OT]What's the price index of your laptop's battery?
>Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:19:56 +0100
>
>>Dne, 10. 12. 2009 16:40:39 je Thierry Chatelet napisal(a):
>>
>>> 
>>> 1. This is spare parts. Unfortunately, there cost has nothing to
>do
>>> with the 
>>> price of whatever you bought at first. Build a car from spare
>parts,
>>> you will 
>>> pay it a few hundred times the price of a new one.
>>
>>Agreed, it's spare parts. But buying a spare battery for your car
>will 
>>hardly set you back for 14% of the total cost of a new car.
>>
>>It seems I may have phrased my question awkwardly, so let's try to 
>>rephrase it:
>>
>>Would you ever buy a car -- or even a mobile phone -- where the
>spare/
>>replacement battery cost 14% of the entire car/phone retail price?
>Say 
>>you got the cheapest Clio or Fiesta for just under 10.000€, but
>would 
>>have to pay over 1400€ for a replacement battery when the old one
>died? 
>>Now, that would be an extremely peculiar business model in my view
>;)
>>
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>>
>>Klistvud
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>>http://bufferoverflow.tiddlyspot.com
>>
>>
The printer people do this all the time with the price (not cost) of
replacement cartridges.
Larry
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Re: GRUB2 Squeeze

[Tixy]

On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 08:57 -0800, Mark wrote:
> Wasn't there an email to this list a couple months ago from an
> official Debian source that said Debian is adopting time-based release
> schedules?

They announced time based _freezes_
(http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729).

And that immediately generated a lot of 'heated discussion', prompting
the release team to say they were going to "revisit its decision" on
timing of the freeze (http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090730).

The March 2010 freeze proposal was mention by Debian Release Team in 
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg2.html

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Re: GRUB2 Squeeze

[Johan Grönqvist]

Mark skrev:
 >On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Tixy > wrote:

 >
 >The unofficial Debian motto is that they'll "release when it's ready",
 >so don't plan on any rigid dates.
--

Wasn't there an email to this list a couple months ago from an official 
Debian source that said Debian is adopting time-based release schedules?



I think there was not.

Everything I have seen discusses time-based freezes. The message linked 
in the previous reply says:


"Proposing a new freeze date is not easy. Taking into account all of
the feedback we have received, both online (by e-mail, IRC) as well as
in person, and some challenging release goals we have set for ourselves,
we propose freezing in March 2010."

That message is from the release team, which may be as official as it 
will get regarding this question.


The intention seems to be to find a compromise between the old debian 
way, and the need for possibility of planning ahead. The proposed 
compromise is to have time-based freezes, and then release when it is 
ready.


As stated before, the proposed freeze date is march 2010,


/ johan


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Problem in Debian 5 Installation

[Anirban Patra]

HiI 've tried to install Debian 5 version but the problem is that* DVD
is not detected by my PC.* I 've tried in other PCs , there it is running
ok. But in my PC, other linux version (*SUSE 10,FEDORA 10) are running
fine*.What
should I do? My PC configuration is : Intel Dual Core 2 GHz Processor ; *1
GB RAM ; 160 GB Seagate SATA HDD & ASUS Motherboard*. I am eager to use
Debian 5. Please help.

Re: [OT]What's the price index of your laptop's battery?

[Paul Cartwright]

On Thu December 10 2009, Klistvud wrote:
> > to unplug your battery.. this keeps it from being constantly in the
> > CHARGE
> > mode, and maybe helps it last longer.. just a thought
>
> I thought this should be taken care of by the charging circuit in the
> laptop: if I'm not mistaken, the charging circuit should put the
> battery offline when it's fully charged?
http://mobileoffice.about.com/od/usingyourlaptop/f/laptopbattery1.htm

Question: If I remove the battery & run from a power source will it lengthen 
battery life?
Answer:

Laptop batteries have finite life spans. Whether you use the power cord and 
remove the battery it will lengthen the life of the battery.

Li-Ion laptop battery lifespan is approximately 1000 charge cycles, or 2-4 
years under normal operating conditions.

Keeping the battery in a cool place can prolong its life but not in a period 
of extended storage. The Li-ion battery should be stored at 40 percent rather 
than full-charge state.

The battery ages even if not used. For best results, keep the battery cool. In 
addition, store the battery at a 40 percent charge level. Never fully charge 
or discharge the battery before storage. The 40 percent charge assures a 
stable condition even if self-discharge robs some of the battery's energy. 
Most battery manufacturers store Li-ion batteries at 15°C (59°F) and at 40 
percent charge.

Keeping a laptop battery on constant charge is and never using it is not good 
for the laptop battery. Run the battery down and recharging it at least once 
every month.

>
> > I have a
> > 4-year old
> > Dell XPS laptop that never lasts more than 2 hours on battery, but I
> > don't
> > use it much anymore, since I stopped travelling :)
>
> My sister has an even older Dell (it must be at least 5 or 6 years)
> which still lasts just under an hour on the *original* battery. In the
> meantime, I've had at least 3 or 4 batteries in two different Compaqs
> die on me. She never unplugged the battery in all these years; she
> couldn't care less, really ...

sounds like my wife.. she never turns lights off either..

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Re: Problem in Debian 5 Installation

[Preston Boyington]

Anirban Patra wrote:
> HiI 've tried to install Debian 5 version but the problem is that*
> DVD is not detected by my PC.* I 've tried in other PCs , there it is
> running ok. But in my PC, other linux version (*SUSE 10,FEDORA 10) are
> running fine*.What should I do? My PC configuration is : Intel Dual Core
> 2 GHz Processor ; *1 GB RAM ; 160 GB Seagate SATA HDD & ASUS
> Motherboard*. I am eager to use Debian 5. Please help.

try the Netinstall if you have a decent internet connection.  it's only
about 180Mb.  it's all i use now.


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[OT] Icedove 2.0 and French Dictionary

[Chris Jones]

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 09:12:39AM EST, Merciadri Luca wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> > On Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:50:18 +0100, Merciadri Luca wrote:

> >> I am using Icedove 2.0 on my Debian Lenny. Everything is in English
> >> here, but I would like my Icedove to handle French words too. I
> >> tried the add-ons on the website, but they seem to be written for
> >> Thunderbird 3.x. Any idea?

Maybe the Gendarmerie Nationale, who appear to be some kind of French
military police corps, are not too picky about spelling and such..?

http://iplextra.indiatimes.com/article/0cZr11MaNr03k?q=NATO

Naturally, I have removed T-Bird 3.0 from my system, just in case.

You wouldn't know of OSS projects sponsored by the F.B.I, I.R.S, or
other government entities by any chance?

CJ


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RE: Problem in Debian 5 Installation

[Kevin Ross]

I use UNetbootin, which copies the Debian installer to a USB flash drive,
and makes it bootable.  Then you just boot from the USB flash drive, do
normal Debian setup, and it downloads everything it needs to do a full
install over the internet. There are versions of UNetbootin that run on
Windows or Linux for creating the bootable USB flash drive.

You can do it manually following the instructions in the Debian installation
manual, but I find Unetbootin far more convenient.

http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/




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Re: Problem in Debian 5 Installation

[Mark]

>On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Kevin Ross  wrote:
>I use UNetbootin, which copies the Debian installer to a USB flash drive,
>and makes it bootable.  Then you just boot from the USB flash drive, do
>normal Debian setup, and it downloads everything it needs to do a full
>install over the internet. There are versions of UNetbootin that run on
>Windows or Linux for creating the bootable USB flash drive.
>
>You can do it manually following the instructions in the Debian
installation
>manual, but I find Unetbootin far more convenient.
>
>http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ 


In this case since it sounds like he's already downloaded a dvd .iso image,
I confirmed not too long ago that the method here
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en#usb-copy-flexibleworks
for a dvd .iso image also, with a couple minor edits:

-Create a small fat16 partition to house the boot info/files, and a 4.5 (or
greater) GB ext3 partition to hold the dvd .iso, on a usb memory stick of 5
GB or more (I used an 8 GB stick)
-Make the fat16 partition have the files according to the above link
-cp the dvd .iso into the ext3 partition

I've done this on several machines, it's beautiful.  Debian installer uses
the dvd .iso image from the ext3 partition, and the read/write access times
from the usb-based installation are lightning quick compared to an optical
drive, not to mention any chance of disc burning or reading errors is
virtually eliminated.

I've had issues with using Unetbootin with Debian - sometimes the installer
version it uses isn't the same version as the Debian .iso I dowloaded, but
the method in the link I provided is spot-on.  Just in case anyone else runs
into this also.

HTH.

Mark

Re: [Fwd: Re: Alt key not working]

[Chris Jones]

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 05:16:56AM EST, roberto wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 1:20 AM, Chris Jones  wrote:
> >
> > Basically says that your Alt key is mapped to AltGr.
> >
> > Try:
> >
> > $ xmodmap -
> > keycode 113 = Alt_R
> > Ctrl+Dน
> >
> > And check whether your Alt key is working again.
> >
> > CJ
> >
> > น Followed by a dash, xmodmap reads your commands form stdin. After
> > ?remapping your Alt key, you need to hit the Control and the D keys
> > ?simulataneously to tell xmodmap that you're done.
> 
> i can say that it started to work again, but i say also that its
> behavior its strange:
> Alt_L: i can switch between applications, by Alt_L + Tab
> Alt_R + Tab: i cannot

To undo the change and get back to where you were:

$ xmodmap -
keycode 113 = ISO_Level3_Shift
Ctrl-D

OK. I see from another post that you are running KDE?

I don't have a KDE system anywhere, but I vaguely remember something
about a "control center", was it.. where you could do some keyboard
remapping in a GUI. 

Is there anything in there where you can tell KDE that you want the
right Alt key to do something different?

Do you normally use the "plain US" keyboard layout..? Is there a place
in the KDE GUI where you can add keyboard layouts and make one the
default? If so what is the current default? Any mention of something
like Alternate US International or such..?

Do you have gnome or maybe XFCE installed? If so, when on the login
screen, you should have a pull-down menu that lets you switch to another
desktop - you could check whether this Alt-R behavior only happens in
KDE. If you don't have any other desktop installed, you could apt-get
XFCE and see if the Alt key works as you expect. 

Since you stated that it happened without your wittingly doing anything
that might affect the keyboard, and barring the unlikely but more
sinister possibility that someone else did - IOW, that you have been
rooted¹ - I can only think that something that you recently installed
must have tried to do you a favor without letting you know. 

Since I very much doubt debian, especially stable, would do anything
like that, I was wondering if maybe you could have installed software
from anywhere outside official debian repositories, either via
apt/aptitude pointing elsewhere via /etc/apt/sources.list, or a .deb you
downloaded, a tarball, CVS, git, mercurial trees, or closed source stuff
that comes with a Windows-styled 'installer'..? 

What I'm saying is that stuff like that does not just happen, especially
since I think you stated that you run stable, aka 5.0.

What is the output of this command?

$ locale

And that one:

$ setxkbmap -v 10 -print

> Alt_L: i can access menus of applications
> Alt_R: i can !
> 
> Alt_L: i can access the i-th tab of firefox by Alt_L + i
> Alt_R: i cannot

That's a cool trick.. unfortunately I mostly use Seamonkey and it
appears to be only supported by FF. 

> the actual output (after the above modifications) of xmodmap is:
> ~$ xmodmap
> xmodmap:  up to 3 keys per modifier, (keycodes in parentheses):
> 
> shift   Shift_L (0x32),  Shift_R (0x3e)
> lockCaps_Lock (0x42)
> control Control_L (0x25),  Control_R (0x6d)
> mod1Alt_L (0x40),  Meta_L (0x9c)
> mod2Num_Lock (0x4d)
> mod3
> mod4Super_L (0x7f),  Hyper_L (0x80)
> mod5Mode_switch (0x5d),  Alt_R (0x71),  ISO_Level3_Shift (0x7c)

You want: 

$ xmodmap -pk | less
..
113 0xffea (Alt_R)
..

Says that my 113 is known by X as Alt_R, which I think is what you want.

> thanks again

Not recommending the keycode thing as a solution. You really need to
figure out what happened and caused the Alt key to start misbehaving,
and undo those changes, or understand them and then decide how you
should correct them. I have never even seen a PC keyboard with an AltGr
key, so it's difficult for me to guess, but this article might refresh
your memories and provide clues as to how this right Alt key apparently
turned into an AltGr:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltGr_key

Unfortunately, I don't know enough about these issues to do much more
than ask questions that might push you in the right direction.

CJ


¹ Probably irrelevant, but a useful read anyway:

  http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/win-UNIX-system_compromise.html


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Can't Delete File with Bad Chars

[Kent West]

I've got a TeraStation Pro Network Attached Storage device connected to
a stable Debian box. I'm trying to free up some space by deleting old
backups, but have come across a file with a bad name. I'm smbmounting
the NAS to get to the file structure; I'm not real sure how the NAS
drives are formatted.

When I run "stat [tab key to autocomplete the name]" I get a different
node number often.

wes...@]goshen.acu.edu]:/TERASTATIONBACKUP/RSYNC-BACKUP/home/web/html/mriggs/Archive/Spring
2008/445:> stat Tentative\ Schedule\ \?��\ Math\ 445.pdf
  File: `Tentative Schedule ?\307\364 Math 445.pdf'
  Size: 49699 Blocks: 104IO Block: 16384  regular file
Device: 11h/17dInode: 59670244Links: 1
Access: (0766/-rwxrw-rw-)  Uid: (  101/sshd)   Gid: (  100/   users)
Access: 2009-02-20 13:57:10.0 -0600
Modify: 2008-01-23 09:29:06.0 -0600
Change: 2009-02-20 13:57:08.0 -0600

wes...@]goshen.acu.edu]:/TERASTATIONBACKUP/RSYNC-BACKUP/home/web/html/mriggs/Archive/Spring
2008/445:> stat Tentative\ Schedule\ \?��\ Math\ 445.pdf
stat: cannot stat `Tentative Schedule ?\307\364 Math 445.pdf': No such
file or directory

(The second attempt was just to recall my history with the up arrow; I
have to fill in the stat command with the TAB key to get any data.)

Then I tried to delete the file with some magic I found via Google:


wes...@]goshen.acu.edu]:/TERASTATIONBACKUP/RSYNC-BACKUP/home/web/html/mriggs/Archive/Spring
2008/445:> find . -inum 59670414 -exec rm -i {} \;
rm: remove regular file `./Tentative Schedule ?\307\364 Math 445.pdf'? y
rm: cannot remove `./Tentative Schedule ?\307\364 Math 445.pdf': No such
file or directory

Then I try the stat command again, and find the inode number has changed:

wes...@]goshen.acu.edu]:/TERASTATIONBACKUP/RSYNC-BACKUP/home/web/html/mriggs/Archive/Spring
2008/445:> stat Tentative\ Schedule\ \?��\ Math\ 445.pdf
  File: `Tentative Schedule ?\307\364 Math 445.pdf'
  Size: 49699 Blocks: 104IO Block: 16384  regular file
Device: 11h/17dInode: 59670677Links: 1
Access: (0766/-rwxrw-rw-)  Uid: (  101/sshd)   Gid: (  100/   users)
Access: 2009-02-20 13:57:10.0 -0600
Modify: 2008-01-23 09:29:06.0 -0600
Change: 2009-02-20 13:57:08.0 -0600


Any suggestions as to how I can delete this file?

Thanks!


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problem with libxul.so

[Ruan Yun]

Hi,
I get issue when i try to launch both application Epiphany and Iceweasel.

Epiphany:
** Message: GetValue variable 1 (1)
** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2)
** Message: GetValue variable 1 (1)
** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2)
** Message: GetValue variable 1 (1)
** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2)
** Message: GetValue variable 1 (1)
** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2)
** Message: GetValue variable 1 (1)
** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2)
** Message: GetValue variable 1 (1)
** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2)
** Message: GetValue variable 1 (1)
** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2)
** Message: GetValue variable 1 (1)
** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2)
** Message: GetValue variable 1 (1)
** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2)
** Message: GetValue variable 1 (1)
** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2)
epiphany-browser: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/libxul.so: 
undefined symbol: cairo_xlib_surface_create_with_xrender_format

Iceweasel:
Segment fault


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ttyUSB0 and GPS

[Dale]

Hi All,

Does anyone know how to lock a GPS down to use ttyUSB0 all the time,
whether it get plugged in and out of the USB port? Basically I want it
to reclaim ttyUSB0 after it have been removed from the USB port and
then plugged back in.  Currently when I unplug the USB GPS and plug it
back in it takes the next ttyUSB* inline ie ttyUSB3 for me currently
as I have a USB 3G dongle occupying ttyUSB1 and ttyUSB2.

I have looked around in udev ie /etc/udev/ and /etc/udev/rules.d/ to
find the file where I can lock it to ttyUSB0 but had no success.

Regards
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Re: [OT]What's the price index of your laptop's battery?

[Chris Jones]

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:26:30PM EST, ow...@netptc.net wrote:

[..]

> The printer people do this all the time with the price (not cost) of
> replacement cartridges.

I've seen cheap inkjets that go for around USD 35.00 and quality OEM
replacement cartridges compatible with said printer at close to USD
50.00. IOW, not only is the printer free, they're actually paying you to
acquire one.

Thank goodness Ford et al. don't sell their own gasoline.

CJ


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RE: Can't Delete File with Bad Chars

[Kevin Ross]

-Original Message-
> From: Kent West [mailto:we...@acu.edu]
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 3:04 PM
> 
> [snip]
> 
> Any suggestions as to how I can delete this file?
> 
> Thanks!

You didn't mention this, but have you tried wildcards?  Such as:

$ rm Tentative*.pdf




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Re: [OT] Icedove 2.0 and French Dictionary

[Celejar]

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 15:13:16 -0500
Chris Jones  wrote:

...

> You wouldn't know of OSS projects sponsored by the F.B.I, I.R.S, or
> other government entities by any chance?

SELinux - "primarily developed by the NSA":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security-Enhanced_Linux
http://www.nsa.gov/research/selinux/
http://www.amazon.com/SELinux-Source-Security-Enhanced-Linux/dp/0596007167

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Re: ttyUSB0 and GPS

[Wayne]

Dale wrote:

Hi All,

Does anyone know how to lock a GPS down to use ttyUSB0 all the time,
whether it get plugged in and out of the USB port? Basically I want it
to reclaim ttyUSB0 after it have been removed from the USB port and
then plugged back in.  Currently when I unplug the USB GPS and plug it
back in it takes the next ttyUSB* inline ie ttyUSB3 for me currently
as I have a USB 3G dongle occupying ttyUSB1 and ttyUSB2.

I have looked around in udev ie /etc/udev/ and /etc/udev/rules.d/ to
find the file where I can lock it to ttyUSB0 but had no success.


Edit /etc/default/gpsd

Wayne


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Re: Can't Delete File with Bad Chars

[Chris]

On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:04:03 -0600
Kent West  wrote:

> I've got a TeraStation Pro Network Attached Storage device connected
> to a stable Debian box. I'm trying to free up some space by deleting
> old backups, but have come across a file with a bad name. I'm
> smbmounting the NAS to get to the file structure; I'm not real sure
> how the NAS drives are formatted.
> 
> When I run "stat [tab key to autocomplete the name]" I get a different
> node number often.
> 
> wes...@]goshen.acu.edu]:/TERASTATIONBACKUP/RSYNC-BACKUP/home/web/html/mriggs/Archive/Spring
> 2008/445:> stat Tentative\ Schedule\ \?��\ Math\ 445.pdf
>   File: `Tentative Schedule ?\307\364 Math 445.pdf'
>   Size: 49699 Blocks: 104IO Block: 16384  regular file
> Device: 11h/17dInode: 59670244Links: 1
> Access: (0766/-rwxrw-rw-)  Uid: (  101/sshd)   Gid: (  100/
> users) Access: 2009-02-20 13:57:10.0 -0600
> Modify: 2008-01-23 09:29:06.0 -0600
> Change: 2009-02-20 13:57:08.0 -0600
> 
> wes...@]goshen.acu.edu]:/TERASTATIONBACKUP/RSYNC-BACKUP/home/web/html/mriggs/Archive/Spring
> 2008/445:> stat Tentative\ Schedule\ \?��\ Math\ 445.pdf
> stat: cannot stat `Tentative Schedule ?\307\364 Math 445.pdf': No such
> file or directory
> 
> (The second attempt was just to recall my history with the up arrow; I
> have to fill in the stat command with the TAB key to get any data.)
> 
> Then I tried to delete the file with some magic I found via Google:
> 
> 
> wes...@]goshen.acu.edu]:/TERASTATIONBACKUP/RSYNC-BACKUP/home/web/html/mriggs/Archive/Spring
> 2008/445:> find . -inum 59670414 -exec rm -i {} \;
> rm: remove regular file `./Tentative Schedule ?\307\364 Math
> 445.pdf'? y rm: cannot remove `./Tentative Schedule ?\307\364 Math
> 445.pdf': No such file or directory
> 
> Then I try the stat command again, and find the inode number has
> changed:
> 
> wes...@]goshen.acu.edu]:/TERASTATIONBACKUP/RSYNC-BACKUP/home/web/html/mriggs/Archive/Spring
> 2008/445:> stat Tentative\ Schedule\ \?��\ Math\ 445.pdf
>   File: `Tentative Schedule ?\307\364 Math 445.pdf'
>   Size: 49699 Blocks: 104IO Block: 16384  regular file
> Device: 11h/17dInode: 59670677Links:
> 1/TERASTATIONBACKUP/RSYNC-BACKUP/home/web/html/mriggs/Archive/Spring
> Access: (0766/-rwxrw-rw-)  Uid: (  101/sshd)   Gid: (  100/
> users) Access: 2009-02-20 13:57:10.0 -0600 Modify: 2008-01-23
> 09:29:06.0 -0600Change: 2009-02-20 13:57:08.0 -0600
> 
> 
> Any suggestions as to how I can delete this file?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 

Use quotes? Something like...

"/TERASTATIONBACKUP/RSYNC-BACKUP/home/web/html/mriggs/Archive/Spring." 


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Re: debian support and laptops

[Stefan Monnier]

> Without kvm support, qemu is *quite a bit* slower. Now, exactly *why*
> somebody, in this day and age, would still go on manufacturing
> processors without hardware virtualization support built in, is beyond
> me.  The production costs are in all probability virtually
> identical...

It's called market segmentation.  I.e. it's done so that people who have
more money spend more, while people with less money can still spend
theirs as well.
AMD provides virtualization support across the whole range of chips just
so as to have a (cheap) selling point against Intel at the low-end.


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Re: [OT]What's the price index of your laptop's battery?

[Stefan Monnier]

>> Would you ever buy a car -- or even a mobile phone -- where the spare/
>> replacement battery cost 14% of the entire car/phone retail price? Say 

Actually, with hybrid cars, the battery cost is pretty high as well.

Batteries in laptops are very important: longer autonomy is an important
selling point, so laptop manufacturers try to get the very best battery
they can afford without making the laptop ruinous or dangerous.  So it's
no surprise the cost is high.

> All this in mind, you might still have a valid point that prices for
> spare batteries for laptops are too high. This is not a truly free
> market, since there are too many different types of batteries, posing a
> high barrier for market entry, and manufacturers try to impose a kind of
> monopoly for replacement batteries (quite similar to the situation of
> replacement ink cartridges).

Actually, there is a thriving market for third-party suppliers of
replacement batteries.  Those typically cost around half the price of
the official manufacturer's battery.  That price is usually pretty hard
to beat, because the price of the battery cells is actually pretty high,
so even if you make your own battery, you won't pay much less (the price
of the raw cells is easily about half the price of a third-party
battery).


Stefan



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Re: [OT]What's the price index of your laptop's battery?

[Rob Owens]

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 05:22:46PM +0100, Klistvud wrote:
> Howdie, fellow Debianites!
> 
> Just today I received the spare battery I had ordered from an online 
> store; the old one had died on me -- as batteries are likely to do, 
> eventually. It's an original HP spare battery for my HP Compaq 6715b 
> and it cost just under 84€ with shipping and all. Now, the price 
> represents roughly 14% of the retail price of the laptop (599€ when 
> bought a couple of years ago).
> 
> I'm wondering what's the battery/laptop price index for other laptops 
> out there? Is there any brand of laptops which comes with reasonably 
> priced batteries (say, costing substantially less than 10% of the total 
> laptop price)? Would you ever buy a car -- or even a mobile phone -- 
> having a battery that cost 14% of the entire car/phone retail price? 
> Anybody care to share?
> 
This laptop uses AA batteries:

http://www.norhtec.com/products/gecko/index.html


This article says that many Macs use AA Li-Ion cells in their battery
packs.  I suspect it's probably the same for most laptop batteries.

http://lowendmac.com/musings/06/0908.html

-Rob


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voice communication on my LAN

[Rob Owens]

I'm looking for an easy way for my wife to contact me when I'm working
out in my garage.  I've usually got the computer on, playing music out
there.  I'd like something that will make a sound over the computer
speakers, so I'll know I have an incoming call.

I use Ekiga for SIP over the internet.  It does not work, though, to
communicate between 2 computers on the same LAN -- I think this is
because I use STUN.  

I could set up my own SIP server, but I imagine there must be an easier
way.  If not, then I'd appreciate advise on which SIP server would be
best/easiest for my application.

-Rob


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Re: FS timestamp issue running Debian in Vbox

[Mark Allums]

On 12/9/2009 1:02 PM, PaulNM wrote:

Camaleón wrote:


Mmmm, IIRC, when you first install Debian, it asks about how to setup
the system (hardware) clock and advices you about this issue (if using
a dual-
boot system with windows, just choose a "local time" setting to sync
the clocks).

But once the system is installed, can this setting be changed? :-?



edit /etc/default/rcS
UTC=yes for utc, no for local




Camaleón, Paul:

Thanks for your help.  I think I need both your suggestions for a full 
solution, but solution it is.


I have Debian on hardware, but I need it in virtual on M$ as well, so 
it's good to know it's workable.


MArk Allums


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Re: ttyUSB0 and GPS

[Dale]

2009/12/11 Wayne :
> Dale wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Does anyone know how to lock a GPS down to use ttyUSB0 all the time,
>> whether it get plugged in and out of the USB port? Basically I want it
>> to reclaim ttyUSB0 after it have been removed from the USB port and
>> then plugged back in.  Currently when I unplug the USB GPS and plug it
>> back in it takes the next ttyUSB* inline ie ttyUSB3 for me currently
>> as I have a USB 3G dongle occupying ttyUSB1 and ttyUSB2.
>>
>> I have looked around in udev ie /etc/udev/ and /etc/udev/rules.d/ to
>> find the file where I can lock it to ttyUSB0 but had no success.
>
> Edit /etc/default/gpsd
>
> Wayne
>

Hi Wayne,

That was not what I was looking for. I have gpsd all configured, I
want to nail this device down in that if it gets unplugged that it
always gets ttyUSB0 even when there is other USB devices plugged into
that machine.

Regards
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Re: ttyUSB0 and GPS

[Wayne]

Dale wrote:

2009/12/11 Wayne :

Dale wrote:

Hi All,

Does anyone know how to lock a GPS down to use ttyUSB0 all the time,
whether it get plugged in and out of the USB port? Basically I want it
to reclaim ttyUSB0 after it have been removed from the USB port and
then plugged back in. Â Currently when I unplug the USB GPS and plug it
back in it takes the next ttyUSB* inline ie ttyUSB3 for me currently
as I have a USB 3G dongle occupying ttyUSB1 and ttyUSB2.

I have looked around in udev ie /etc/udev/ and /etc/udev/rules.d/ to
find the file where I can lock it to ttyUSB0 but had no success.

Edit /etc/default/gpsd

Wayne



Hi Wayne,

That was not what I was looking for. I have gpsd all configured, I
want to nail this device down in that if it gets unplugged that it
always gets ttyUSB0 even when there is other USB devices plugged into
that machine.


Thats what I thought you wanted to do


/etc/default/gsd

# Default settings for gpsd.
# Please do not edit this file directly - use `dpkg-reconfigure gpsd' to
# change the options.
START_DAEMON="false"
DAEMON_OPTS=""
DEVICES="/dev/ttyUSB0"
USBAUTO="true"


Works here but of course YMMV

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lenny's hardware compatibilty list

[Israel Garcia]

Hi, where can I find an official list of hardware compatibility
(different devices) for debian lenny?

Is this raid card supported by debian lenny's kernel?
http://www.adaptec.com/en-US/products/Controllers/Hardware/sas/entry/SAS-2045/

Is this debian's compatibilty hardware list  the same of kernel linux's list?

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Re: ttyUSB0 and GPS

[Sudev Barar]

2009/12/11 Wayne  :
 whether it get plugged in and out of the USB port? Basically I want it
 to reclaim ttyUSB0 after it have been removed from the USB port and
 then plugged back in. Â Currently when I unplug the USB GPS and plug it
 back in it takes the next ttyUSB* inline ie ttyUSB3 for me currently

What you should do is default to ttyUSB8 or so.
Udev will automatically assign first available "free" device. Keeping
gps at higher number will not normally interfere with this.

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Re: ttyUSB0 and GPS

[Dale]

2009/12/11 Sudev Barar :
> 2009/12/11 Wayne  :
> whether it get plugged in and out of the USB port? Basically I want it
> to reclaim ttyUSB0 after it have been removed from the USB port and
> then plugged back in. Â Currently when I unplug the USB GPS and plug it
> back in it takes the next ttyUSB* inline ie ttyUSB3 for me currently
>
> What you should do is default to ttyUSB8 or so.
> Udev will automatically assign first available "free" device. Keeping
> gps at higher number will not normally interfere with this.
>

How do I get it to default to say ttyUSB8?, cause all I am getting at
the moment is that it wants to connect to ttyUSB3 and it just ignoring
what it put in the conf file

Regards
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Re: Can't Delete File with Bad Chars

[Kent West]

Kevin Ross wrote:
> -Original Message-
>   
>> From: Kent West [mailto:we...@acu.edu]
>> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 3:04 PM
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> Any suggestions as to how I can delete this file?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> 
>
> You didn't mention this, but have you tried wildcards?  Such as:
>
> $ rm Tentative*.pdf
>
>
>
>
>   
Yes.

Thanks, though.

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Re: [OT]What's the price index of your laptop's battery?

[Alexey Salmin]

On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Rob Owens  wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 05:22:46PM +0100, Klistvud wrote:
>> Howdie, fellow Debianites!
>>
>> Just today I received the spare battery I had ordered from an online
>> store; the old one had died on me -- as batteries are likely to do,
>> eventually. It's an original HP spare battery for my HP Compaq 6715b
>> and it cost just under 84€ with shipping and all. Now, the price
>> represents roughly 14% of the retail price of the laptop (599€ when
>> bought a couple of years ago).
>>
>> I'm wondering what's the battery/laptop price index for other laptops
>> out there? Is there any brand of laptops which comes with reasonably
>> priced batteries (say, costing substantially less than 10% of the total
>> laptop price)? Would you ever buy a car -- or even a mobile phone --
>> having a battery that cost 14% of the entire car/phone retail price?
>> Anybody care to share?
>>
> This laptop uses AA batteries:
>
> http://www.norhtec.com/products/gecko/index.html
>
>
> This article says that many Macs use AA Li-Ion cells in their battery
> packs.  I suspect it's probably the same for most laptop batteries.
>
> http://lowendmac.com/musings/06/0908.html
>
> -Rob
>
>
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There also was this interesting video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtqRvAu71Gw


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Re: voice communication on my LAN

[Kun Niu]

Have a try SJphone. It supports LAN direct call. And it works on Linux.
Rob Owens wrote:

I'm looking for an easy way for my wife to contact me when I'm working
out in my garage.  I've usually got the computer on, playing music out
there.  I'd like something that will make a sound over the computer
speakers, so I'll know I have an incoming call.

I use Ekiga for SIP over the internet.  It does not work, though, to
communicate between 2 computers on the same LAN -- I think this is
because I use STUN.  


I could set up my own SIP server, but I imagine there must be an easier
way.  If not, then I'd appreciate advise on which SIP server would be
best/easiest for my application.

-Rob


  



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"apt-file update" error because missing Contents-i386.gz file

[Peter Michaux]

Hi,

I have a new Debian Lenny system. The /etc/apt/sources.list file contains

  deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib
  deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main
  deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib

When I do "apt-file update" I see the following error.

  Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-i386.gz

Sure enough that file doesn't exist.

Is this a known issue? Any solution other than commenting out the line
in sources.list?

Thanks,
Peter


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Re: problem with libxul.so

[Javier Barroso]

2009/12/10 Ruan Yun :
> Hi,
> I get issue when i try to launch both application Epiphany and Iceweasel.
>
> Epiphany:
> ** Message: GetValue variable 1 (1)
> ** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2)
> ** Message: GetValue variable 1 (1)
> ** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2)
> ** Message: GetValue variable 1 (1)
> ** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2)
> ** Message: GetValue variable 1 (1)
> ** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2)
> ** Message: GetValue variable 1 (1)
> ** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2)
> ** Message: GetValue variable 1 (1)
> ** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2)
> ** Message: GetValue variable 1 (1)
> ** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2)
> ** Message: GetValue variable 1 (1)
> ** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2)
> ** Message: GetValue variable 1 (1)
> ** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2)
> ** Message: GetValue variable 1 (1)
> ** Message: GetValue variable 2 (2)
> epiphany-browser: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/libxul.so: 
> undefined symbol: cairo_xlib_surface_create_with_xrender_format
>
> Iceweasel:
> Segment fault

Which versions are you using ? Here, in sid two work.

"iceweasel -safe-mod" is working ?

Regards


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