Re: Inquiry:Where to find Debian GNU/Linux kernel 2.6.8-4-686 iso image ?

[Greg Madden]

On Saturday 12 September 2009, hadi motamedi wrote:
> kernel 2.6.8-4-686

http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/

I think that was the release kernel for Sarge, aka Debian 3.1

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Re: Inquiry:Where to find Debian GNU/Linux kernel 2.6.8-4-686 iso image ?

[hadi motamedi]

Thank you so much for your reply . Please be informed that I have DECT
server application that is intended to be installed on this server (after
upgrading to the mentioned Debian kernel) . So please do me favor and let me
know where I can download the iso images ?

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Andrei Popescu wrote:

>  On Sun,13.Sep.09, 07:17:42, hadi motamedi wrote:
> > Dear All
> > Can you please do me favor and let me have the link to download Debian
> > GNU/Linux Kernel 2.6.8-4-686 iso images to burn CD and then install on my
> > server ?
> > Thank you in advance
> > H.Motamedi
>
> As far as I recall 2.6.8 was the kernel in sarge (3.1). Debian is now at
> version 5.0.3 (with kernel 2.6.26), do you have good reasons to need
> such ancient kernel?
>
> Regards,
> Andrei
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why can't i use grub with an ext3 /boot partition?

[Robert P. J. Day]

  possibly related to an earlier post that discussed grub but, when
installing lenny, if i choose to create a separate, primary partition
for /boot (a long-time habit), if i select ext3 for that partition, i
am not offered the chance to use grub as a bootloader.

  as best i can tell, that /boot partition must be both:

1) set as bootable, and
2) ext2 format

otherwise, i'm stuck with lilo.  is this true?  is there a reason the
debian install can't handle grub and a bootable ext3 partition?  i've
tested this a number of times and it seems that ext3 is the deciding
factor.

rday
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Re: Kernel 31

[Alex Samad]

On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 07:08:15PM +0200, Jochen Schulz wrote:
> Mark Allums:
> >
> > Anyone with experience with 2.6.31 yet?  Anything we need to know?  
> 
> I am running 2.6.31 since at least -rc4 and have no problems. I just
> don't like the changes regarding the rfkill framework. On my Thinkpad
> X200, Fn-F5 switched on/off bluetooth only and the switch on the side
> switched wifi. Now, Fn-F5 switches off Bluetooth as well as wifi, so I
> have no easy way to switch off Bluetooth only.

why not 
echo 0|1> /sys/module/rfkill/... to turn off just the blue tooth ?

i do this on my hp mini 5100 to turn the gprs modem on and off - same as
using the button in windows - and I notice there was a place for blue
tooth and wireless !

> 
> Generally, kernelnewbies.org always provides interesting information:
> 
> http://kernelnewbies.org/LinuxChanges
> 
> J.



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console in de war na X

[Eric Meijer]

Hoi,
Als ik mijn lenny systeem opstart zie ik een keurig tekstscherm met 
mededelingen van het opstartende systeem.  Dan start X op (ik gebruik 
gdm/gnome).  Als ik daarna weer naar een VT-console switch dan zijn alle 
spaties vervangen door een soort blok-character.  Het helpt niet om in 
te loggen en "reset" in te typen.  Iemand een idee hoe dit te fixen?

Groeten,
Eric


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Re: console in de war na X

[Eric Meijer]

Eric Meijer wrote:

Hoi,
Als ik mijn lenny systeem opstart zie ik een keurig tekstscherm met 
mededelingen van het opstartende systeem.  Dan start X op (ik gebruik 
gdm/gnome).  Als ik daarna weer naar een VT-console switch dan zijn 
alle spaties vervangen door een soort blok-character.  Het helpt niet 
om in te loggen en "reset" in te typen.  Iemand een idee hoe dit te 
fixen?

Groeten,
Eric



Sorry, I meant to send this to debian-user-dutch.

Eric Meijer


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Re: Inquiry:Where to find Debian GNU/Linux kernel 2.6.8-4-686 iso image ?

[Javier Barroso]

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 9:18 AM, hadi motamedi  wrote:
> Thank you so much for your reply . Please be informed that I have DECT
> server application that is intended to be installed on this server (after
> upgrading to the mentioned Debian kernel) . So please do me favor and let me
> know where I can download the iso images ?
Old debian distros are in http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/

But I don't known which version of sarge (Debian 3.1) have your
desired kernel version.

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Re: Kernel 31

[Emanoil Kotsev]

Mark Allums wrote:

> Anyone with experience with 2.6.31 yet?  Anything we need to know?
> What's the consensus?
> 
> Mark Allums

And I installed 2.6.31 on Dell Notebook (Latitude D520) and on Intel DG45FX
board 4days ago.

No issues for now - works just fine. The notebook is also suspending and
resuming without problems.

regards

PS: not sure if the messages below are really an issue. Everything seem to
be fine.

On Intel DG45FX
=

kernel: :00:19.0: :00:19.0: Failed to initialize MSI interrupts. 
Falling back to legacy interrupts.
...
acpid: client connected from 6356[0:0]
kernel: mtrr: type mismatch for d1fe,1 old: write-back new:
write-combining
kernel: mtrr: type mismatch for d1fc,2 old: write-back new:
write-combining
kernel: mtrr: type mismatch for d1f8,4 old: write-back new:
write-combining
kernel: mtrr: type mismatch for d1f0,8 old: write-back new:
write-combining
kernel: mtrr: type mismatch for d1e0,10 old: write-back new:
write-combining
kernel: mtrr: type mismatch for d1c0,20 old: write-back new:
write-combining
kernel: mtrr: type mismatch for d180,40 old: write-back new:
write-combining
kernel: mtrr: type mismatch for d100,80 old: write-back new:
write-combining
kernel: mtrr: type mismatch for d000,100 old: write-back new:
write-combining

On Dell Lati D520


   kernel: pnp: PnP ACPI init
   kernel: ACPI: bus type pnp registered
   kernel: pnp 00:02: io resource (0x1000-0x1005) overlaps :00:1f.0 BAR
13 (0x1000-0x107f), disabling
   kernel: pnp 00:02: io resource (0x1008-0x100f) overlaps :00:1f.0 BAR
13 (0x1000-0x107f), disabling
   kernel: pnp 00:03: io resource (0x1006-0x1007) overlaps :00:1f.0 BAR
13 (0x1000-0x107f), disabling
   kernel: pnp 00:03: io resource (0x100a-0x1059) overlaps :00:1f.0 BAR
13 (0x1000-0x107f), disabling
   kernel: pnp 00:03: io resource (0x1060-0x107f) overlaps :00:1f.0 BAR
13 (0x1000-0x107f), disabling
   kernel: pnp 00:03: io resource (0x1010-0x102f) overlaps :00:1f.0 BAR
13 (0x1000-0x107f), disabling
   kernel: pnp: PnP ACPI: found 14 devices
   kernel: ACPI: ACPI bus type pnp unregistered
   kernel: system 00:00: iomem range 0x0-0x9fbff could not be reserved
   kernel: system 00:00: iomem range 0x9fc00-0x9 could not be reserved
   kernel: system 00:00: iomem range 0xc-0xc could not be reserved
   kernel: system 00:00: iomem range 0xe-0xf could not be reserved
   kernel: system 00:00: iomem range 0x10-0x7f6d33ff could not be
reserved
   kernel: system 00:00: iomem range 0x7f6d3400-0x7f6f has been reserved
   kernel: system 00:00: iomem range 0x7f70-0x7f7f has been reserved
   kernel: system 00:00: iomem range 0x7f70-0x7fef could not be
reserved
   kernel: system 00:00: iomem range 0xffb0-0x has been reserved
   kernel: system 00:00: iomem range 0xfec0-0xfec0 could not be
reserved
   kernel: system 00:00: iomem range 0xfee0-0xfee0 has been reserved
   kernel: system 00:00: iomem range 0xfed2-0xfed9 has been reserved
   kernel: system 00:00: iomem range 0xffa8-0xffa83fff could not be
reserved
   kernel: system 00:00: iomem range 0xf400-0xf4003fff has been reserved
   kernel: system 00:00: iomem range 0xf4004000-0xf4004fff has been reserved
   kernel: system 00:00: iomem range 0xf4005000-0xf4005fff has been reserved
   kernel: system 00:00: iomem range 0xf4006000-0xf4006fff has been reserved
   kernel: system 00:00: iomem range 0xf4008000-0xf400bfff has been reserved
   kernel: system 00:00: iomem range 0xf000-0xf3ff has been reserved
   kernel: system 00:02: ioport range 0x4d0-0x4d1 has been reserved

   kernel: system 00:03: ioport range 0xf400-0xf4fe has been reserved
   kernel: system 00:03: ioport range 0x1080-0x10bf has been reserved
   kernel: system 00:03: ioport range 0x10c0-0x10df has been reserved
   kernel: system 00:03: ioport range 0x809-0x809 has been reserved
   kernel: system 00:08: ioport range 0xc80-0xcff could not be reserved
   kernel: system 00:08: ioport range 0x910-0x91f has been reserved
   kernel: system 00:08: ioport range 0x920-0x92f has been reserved
   kernel: system 00:08: ioport range 0xcb0-0xcbf has been reserved
   kernel: system 00:08: ioport range 0x930-0x97f has been reserved
   kernel: system 00:0b: iomem range 0xfed0-0xfed003ff has been reserved
   kernel: pci :00:1c.0: PCI bridge, secondary bus :0b
   kernel: pci :00:1c.0:   IO window: disabled
   kernel: pci :00:1c.0:   MEM window: disabled
   kernel: pci :00:1c.0:   PREFETCH window: disabled
   kernel: pci :00:1c.1: PCI bridge, secondary bus :0c
   kernel: pci :00:1c.1:   IO window: disabled
   kernel: pci :00:1c.1:   MEM window: 0xefd0-0xefdf
   kernel: pci :00:1c.1:   PREFETCH window: disabled
   kernel: pci :02:01.0: CardBus bridge, secondary bus :03
   kernel: pci :

missing updates :(

[Eugene Apolinary]

Lenny:

Iceweasel: 3.0.6
Flash Player: 10,0,22,87

Why???

It's a big security hole :(

I think I will switch to ubuntu on desktop :( :( :( omg :( :(



  

Re: [Xen-users] Slow network speed with Xen 3.2-1

[Pasi Kärkkäinen]

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 02:46:53PM -0400, Brent Verner wrote:
> I had a similar problem and the solution was to disable checksum
> offloading in the domU.
> 
> sh# ethtool -K eth0 tx off
> 
> You can add this to your /etc/network/interfaces, too..
> 
>   post-up  ethtool -K eth0 tx off
> 
> 
> I also had to disable this in my dom0 for dhcp to work...
> 

What physical NIC do you have? Sounds like a bug in the driver to me..

What driver/version? "ethtool -i peth0" should tell that.

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> cheers!
>   b
> 
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:19 PM, virtualroot  wrote:
> > I'm getting a slow network speed (download/upload) domU and dom0
> > limits in 10kbps/20kbps.
> > Booting a kernel without Xen, this doesnt happens
> >
> > /etc/xen/xend-config.sxp
> > (network-script network-bridge)
> > (vif-script vif-bridge)
> > (dom0-min-mem 196)
> > (dom0-cpus 0)
> >
> > cat /etc/xen/XXX.cfg
> > kernel      = '/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-xen-amd64'
> > ramdisk     = '/boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-1-xen-amd64'
> >
> > memory      = '2048'
> > vcpus = '4'
> >
> > root        = '/dev/sda2 ro'
> > disk        = [
> >                  'phy:/dev/storage/XXX-disk,sda2,w',
> >                  'phy:/dev/storage/XXX-swap,sda1,w',
> >              ]
> >
> > name        = 'XXX'
> > vif         = [ 'ip=190.228.X.X,mac=00:16:3E:37:17:9A' ]
> >
> > root = "/dev/sda2 ro noapic acpi=off nopcmcia noagp nobluetooth"
> > extra = "3 xencons=tty"
> >
> > on_poweroff = 'destroy'
> > on_reboot   = 'restart'
> > on_crash    = 'restart'
> >
> > I use Debian 5.0.2 kernel 2.6.26-1-xen-amd64
> >
> > ___
> > Xen-users mailing list
> > xen-us...@lists.xensource.com
> > http://lists.xensource.com/xen-users
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Re: missing updates :(

[Sven Hoexter]

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 02:36:12AM -0700, Eugene Apolinary wrote:
> Lenny:
> 
> Iceweasel: 3.0.6

See e.g.
http://www.debian.org/security/2009/dsa-1873

and http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-choosing.en.html#s3.1.

Beside that the Mozilla.org security support policy is a bit
problematic for stable distributions.


> Flash Player: 10,0,22,87
> 
> Why???

Because you installed it. It's not part of Lenny.

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Re: why can't i use grub with an ext3 /boot partition?

[joe]

Robert P. J. Day wrote:

  possibly related to an earlier post that discussed grub but, when
installing lenny, if i choose to create a separate, primary partition
for /boot (a long-time habit), if i select ext3 for that partition, i
am not offered the chance to use grub as a bootloader.

  as best i can tell, that /boot partition must be both:

1) set as bootable, and
2) ext2 format

otherwise, i'm stuck with lilo.  is this true?  is there a reason the
debian install can't handle grub and a bootable ext3 partition?  i've
tested this a number of times and it seems that ext3 is the deciding
factor.



I can't give you the answer, but I can confirm it's possible in sid, at 
least by devious means:


   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   *   1  61  489951   83  Linux
/dev/sda2  62   38913   312078690   8e  Linux LVM

# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
#
proc/proc   procdefaults0   0
/dev/mapper/first-root  /   reiserfs defaults0   1
/dev/mapper/first-backup /backupreiserfs defaults0   2
/dev/sda1   /boot   ext3defaults0   2
/dev/mapper/first-home  /home   reiserfs defaults0   2
/dev/mapper/first-spare /mnt/spare  reiserfs defaults0   2
/dev/mapper/first-tmp   /tmpreiserfs defaults0   2
/dev/mapper/first-usr   /usrreiserfs defaults0   2
/dev/mapper/first-var   /varreiserfs defaults0   2
/dev/mapper/first-swap  noneswapsw  0   0

This installation is on a brand-new drive and was a fresh Lenny 
netinstall followed by a switch of repositories to sid and a dpkg 
--get-selections from a file made on my previous machine.


I can't swear that grub was installed at the netinstall stage, though I 
thought it was. It's certainly there now, along with its grub2 
hitch-hiker, and there's no sign of lilo having existed on this machine.


I'm not about to do the upgrade-from-grub-legacy, as I did that a few 
days ago, spent most of a day trying to fix the resulting unbootable 
machine and ended up reinstalling the OS. I could find no other means, 
using various boot/rescue media followed by chroot, of reinstalling 
either grub or grub2.


At least with lilo, you can fix it in ten minutes if it breaks. And most 
of that is time spent looking for the boot floppy.


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Re: why can't i use grub with an ext3 /boot partition?

[Emanoil Kotsev]

j...@jretrading.com wrote:

> 489951

how big is your boot partition?


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Re: Re: why can't i use grub with an ext3 /boot partition?

[jaan vaart]

what would be the logic behind using a journaling FS on /boot?

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xorg totally removes by actuell update of Lenny testing

[Klaus Wolf]

Hallo to all.

Anybody knows why the actually update of lenny testing removes all xorg?
After looking on this matter i have installed xorg new and its running.

Is there a bug in any updating package?

best regards and a nice day

klaus


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Re: Inquiry:Where to find Debian GNU/Linux kernel 2.6.8-4-686 iso image ?

[Tzafrir Cohen]

On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 11:05:37PM -0800, Greg Madden wrote:
> On Saturday 12 September 2009, hadi motamedi wrote:
> > kernel 2.6.8-4-686
> 
> http://archive.debian.org/debian/dists/
> 
> I think that was the release kernel for Sarge, aka Debian 3.1

Also note that initial release of Sarge had kernel 2.6.8-2-686 . Latest
maintinance releases had 2.6.8-6-686 . Thus you probably need 3.1r1,
3.1r2 or something in the neighbourhood.

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Re: xorg totally removes by actuell update of Lenny testing

[Osamu Aoki]

HI,

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 02:13:11PM +0200, Klaus Wolf wrote:
> Hallo to all.
> 
> Anybody knows why the actually update of lenny testing removes all xorg?
> After looking on this matter i have installed xorg new and its running.

There is no lenny as testing.  Lenny is released and stable.  Now,
squeeze is testing.
 
> Is there a bug in any updating package?

You may call it bug but it is a typical situation for testing.  This is
quite likely some dependency issues.  Look at BTS etc.


> best regards and a nice day

Testing is going through some major transitions now.  I am not all
surprised.  See debian-rele...@lists.debian.org for "X.org plans for the
squeeze cycle". 
 
  http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2009/09/msg00138.html

Until developers solves this kind of issue with some clever package
scripts, update is not so easy for most users.

Learning basic skill with the help of BTS, you may get through.
  
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.html#_life_with_eternal_upgrades

Osamu

PS: I am keeping my main system under lenny with selective backported
packages.  


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root fs incorrectly unmounted

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hi,

On a recent Sid upgrade upon booting I now get the message that the root 
fs was incorrectly unmounted.


How do I debug that t find out what is wrong? I see no log messages 
about that anywhere, it just appears on the console.


Thanks.

Hugo


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Launching Evolution when AC power cable is plugged in

[Merciadri Luca]

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Hello,

This problem seems to be weird, but it really happens to me everytime
I plug in my AC power cable.

I am using an Asus EEE 1000HE with Debian.

$ uname -r
2.6.26-2-686

Everytime I plug in my AC power cable, Evolution is launched. I think
that it is boring, and it should be avoided!

Any idea?

Thanks.
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See http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/
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device names?

[Rick Pasotto]

In the past I've successfully used:

cdrdao write --device ATA:0,0,0 --driver generic-mmc vcd.toc

to create an SVCD disk. Now, however, this gives the message:

Error trying to open /dev/hdb exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying 
in 1 second

This is really strange since /dev/hdb is a 40G hard disk. The dvd drive
is /dev/hda.

'wodim -scanbus' gives:

scsibus1000:
1000,0,0 10) 'TOSHIBA ' 'CD/DVDW SD-R5372' 'TU53' Removable CD-ROM
1000,1,0 11) *
1000,2,0 12) *
1000,3,0 13) *
1000,4,0 14) *
1000,5,0 15) *
1000,6,0 16) *
1000,7,0 17) *

However using

cdrdao write --device ATA:1000,0,0 --driver generic-mmc vcd.toc

gives this message:

ERROR: Cannot open SCSI device 'ATA:1000,0,0': Illegal value for busno, target 
or lun '1000,0,0'

What device specification do I need to use?

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Re: Launching Evolution when AC power cable is plugged in

[Tixy]

On Sun, 2009-09-13 at 17:14 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:
> Everytime I plug in my AC power cable, Evolution is launched. I think
> that it is boring, and it should be avoided!
> 
> Any idea?

If you're running Gnome, try changing the keyboard shortcut for "Launch
e-mail client" in System > Preferences > Keyboard Shortcuts.

Now as to why plugging in power might generate an event would match the
current shortcut key... Some mismatch between versions of things on the
system, like the eeepc-acpi-scripts, or X, or the Gnome desktop version?

Are you running a stock Debian distro, or have you added bits from the
various Debian and Ubuntu EEEPC projects?


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Re: Launching Evolution when AC power cable is plugged in

[Chris Jones]

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 11:14:26AM EDT, Merciadri Luca wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1

> Hello,
> 
> This problem seems to be weird, but it really happens to me everytime
> I plug in my AC power cable.
> 
> I am using an Asus EEE 1000HE with Debian.
> 
> $ uname -r 2.6.26-2-686
> 
> Everytime I plug in my AC power cable, Evolution is launched. I think
> that it is boring, and it should be avoided!
> 
> Any idea?

Do you see anything in /var/log/messages and such?

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Re: Launching Evolution when AC power cable is plugged in

[Merciadri Luca]

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Tixy  writes:

> On Sun, 2009-09-13 at 17:14 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:
>> Everytime I plug in my AC power cable, Evolution is launched. I think
>> that it is boring, and it should be avoided!
>> 
>> Any idea?
>
> If you're running Gnome, try changing the keyboard shortcut for "Launch
> e-mail client" in System > Preferences > Keyboard Shortcuts.
Thanks. It worked. I did not know that such an ACPI event could be
detected as a potential shortcut.

> Now as to why plugging in power might generate an event would match the
> current shortcut key... Some mismatch between versions of things on the
> system, like the eeepc-acpi-scripts, or X, or the Gnome desktop
> version?
Maybe. Shortcuts are weird-named (as they are in hexadecimal, which is
not current, isn't it?) in the shortcut window.

> Are you running a stock Debian distro, or have you added bits from the
> various Debian and Ubuntu EEEPC projects?
I installed Debian image from http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/. I
added "Laptop" extensions, but my EEE works quite well. I was
surprised as it works clearly better than my other laptops!

Thanks for your help. It was trivial!

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Re: device names?

[Eduardo M KALINOWSKI]

Rick Pasotto wrote:
> In the past I've successfully used:
>
> cdrdao write --device ATA:0,0,0 --driver generic-mmc vcd.toc
>
> to create an SVCD disk. Now, however, this gives the message:
>
> Error trying to open /dev/hdb exclusively (Device or resource busy)... 
> retrying in 1 second
>
> This is really strange since /dev/hdb is a 40G hard disk. The dvd drive
> is /dev/hda.
>
> 'wodim -scanbus' gives:
>
> scsibus1000:
>   1000,0,0 10) 'TOSHIBA ' 'CD/DVDW SD-R5372' 'TU53' Removable CD-ROM
>   1000,1,0 11) *
>   1000,2,0 12) *
>   1000,3,0 13) *
>   1000,4,0 14) *
>   1000,5,0 15) *
>   1000,6,0 16) *
>   1000,7,0 17) *
>
> However using
>
> cdrdao write --device ATA:1000,0,0 --driver generic-mmc vcd.toc
>
> gives this message:
>
> ERROR: Cannot open SCSI device 'ATA:1000,0,0': Illegal value for busno, 
> target or lun '1000,0,0'
>
> What device specification do I need to use?
>   

The same you use for reading. /dev/cdrom should be a link to the real
device, but /dev/hda will work the same, if that's your DVD device.

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Re: Launching Evolution when AC power cable is plugged in

[Tixy]

On Sun, 2009-09-13 at 18:32 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:
> Maybe. Shortcuts are weird-named (as they are in hexadecimal, which is
> not current, isn't it?) in the shortcut window.

I'm running Squeeze and things like volume control shortcuts have human
readable names prefixed with "XF86". However, these don't work and when
I set them by hand they end up with a hex number. 

> > Are you running a stock Debian distro, or have you added bits from
> the
> > various Debian and Ubuntu EEEPC projects?
> I installed Debian image from http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/. I
> added "Laptop" extensions, but my EEE works quite well. I was
> surprised as it works clearly better than my other laptops!

I'm running a plain vanilla Squeeze on my EEEPC 1000HE and just about
every works out the box, even things like Bluetooth file transfer and
the WIFI toggle key. The only thing I had to change, apart from the
volume shortcut keys, was to enable full Elantech touchpad functionality
so I could disable tap-to-click, (see
http://www.timdoug.com/log/2009/06/22#elantech_debian).

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obexftp

[pch0317]

Hello

I would like to know how to receive _all_ files from folder myfolder.
I use: "obexftp -b -c myfolder -g *", but this isn't working.

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Re: FW: Faster boot by running init.d scripts in parallel

[Celejar]

On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 09:27:33 +0300
Andrei Popescu  wrote:

> On Thu,10.Sep.09, 21:09:21, Celejar wrote:
> > > 
> > > It will enable makefile style concurrency, and run N scripts in
> > > parallel during boot, where N is the number of CPUs or cores on
> > > the machine.  This only work when dependency based boot
> > > sequencing.  This
> > 
> > So this is pointless on a single core machine?
> 
> As someone mentioned on debian-devel, startpar in makefile mode is 
> invoked with '-p 4' which means 4 parallel tasks.

I wonder - perhaps I'm missing something, but shouldn't parallel
running of scripts be helpful even on single core machines, where one
of the scripts is not CPU-bound but waiting on some external (e.g.,
network or hardware) event?

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Re: root fs incorrectly unmounted

[Sven Joachim]

On 2009-09-13 17:31 +0200, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

> On a recent Sid upgrade upon booting I now get the message that the
> root fs was incorrectly unmounted.
>
> How do I debug that t find out what is wrong? I see no log messages
> about that anywhere, it just appears on the console.

I had seen this a few times myself, bug #545179¹ might be the culprit.
In general, any package shipping a library that /sbin/init is linked
against must run "telinit u" in the postinst to ensure that the root
filesystem can be unmounted on shutdown.

Sven


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what happened to courier?

[Rick Pasotto]

So yesterday, after many days of no updates, suddenly there were 722
updates for testing. My practice is to do them in small batches -- I've
got it down to 195 remaining.

At least one of those batches involved fonts.

Today I fired up a python script that I wrote many years ago that
specified 'courier' as a font because I needed a monospace font. That
program now uses some proportional font. (Actually I've changed the code
to specify 'luxi mono' so at least I've got a mono font.)

Just now I ran 'lp somefile.txt' and again, the font used was something
much bigger than the 'courier 10' I've been getting forever.

How do I get my courier back?

Why do basic default settings get changed?

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Re: why can't i use grub with an ext3 /boot partition?

[Andrew Reid]

On Sunday 13 September 2009 03:33:50 Robert P. J. Day wrote:
>   possibly related to an earlier post that discussed grub but, when
> installing lenny, if i choose to create a separate, primary partition
> for /boot (a long-time habit), if i select ext3 for that partition, i
> am not offered the chance to use grub as a bootloader.
>
>   as best i can tell, that /boot partition must be both:

  I conjecture that you are doing Something Else wrong.

  I have many machines that have ext3 /boot partitions, including
several that were set up initially as lenny machines.  I also have
this habit, and I generally intend to use ext2, but sometimes
I forget to switch it from the installer's filesystem default,
which is ext3.

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Re: Kernel 31

[Jochen Schulz]

Alex Samad:
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 07:08:15PM +0200, Jochen Schulz wrote:
>> 
>> I am running 2.6.31 since at least -rc4 and have no problems. I just
>> don't like the changes regarding the rfkill framework. On my Thinkpad
>> X200, Fn-F5 switched on/off bluetooth only and the switch on the side
>> switched wifi. Now, Fn-F5 switches off Bluetooth as well as wifi, so I
>> have no easy way to switch off Bluetooth only.
> 
> why not 
> echo 0|1> /sys/module/rfkill/... to turn off just the blue tooth ?

That doesn't exactly count as "easy" in my eyes. The previous behaviour
was better for me.

I just intsalled the rfkill utility from 

http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Documentation/rfkill

and that's already better. But what I really want is to have Bluetooth
disabled by default and the ability to switch it on by pressing Fn-F5.

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Re: FW: Faster boot by running init.d scripts in parallel

[Andrei Popescu]

On Sun,13.Sep.09, 14:30:03, Celejar wrote:
> > 
> > As someone mentioned on debian-devel, startpar in makefile mode is 
> > invoked with '-p 4' which means 4 parallel tasks.
> 
> I wonder - perhaps I'm missing something, but shouldn't parallel
> running of scripts be helpful even on single core machines, where one
> of the scripts is not CPU-bound but waiting on some external (e.g.,
> network or hardware) event?

AFAIU the 4 parallel tasks are per cpu/core, but I might be wrong...

Regards,
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Re: Launching Evolution when AC power cable is plugged in

[Andrei Popescu]

On Sun,13.Sep.09, 18:33:17, Tixy wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-09-13 at 18:32 +0200, Merciadri Luca wrote:
> > Maybe. Shortcuts are weird-named (as they are in hexadecimal, which is
> > not current, isn't it?) in the shortcut window.
> 
> I'm running Squeeze and things like volume control shortcuts have human
> readable names prefixed with "XF86". However, these don't work and when
> I set them by hand they end up with a hex number. 
 
Are you using the correct keyboard model? Try

dpkg-reconfigure console-setup

as root.

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Losing Debian to the cancer known as HAL

[Dirk]

Hello,

I have been using Debian/Unstable for more than 7 years.

Now I am switching to Gentoo because it really has become more attractive since Debian+HAL really isn't the operating system 
anymore I want to work with.


I was happy with Debian being an alternative with the choice and control for 
experienced users who wanted things go their way.

Ubuntu was the Debian derivate that took the other route of making Linux easier 
for people who don't need/care about that.

Now Debian is trying too hard to get where Ubuntu already is and makes itself 
redundant and obsolete by doing so.

We have now another operating system that tries to emulate Nanny-features we know from Windows and it enforces them by making 
HAL a dependency of XOrg.


There is no way to run Debian/Unstable without HAL anymore. It will be completely broken. Even the alternative configuration 
scrits have been purged from the package lists.


That is the future Debian/Stable has to offer for experienced users. A cancer-like process that sits in the background doing 
things they don't want.


So, If you dislike the service HAL has to offer you as much as I do let me suggest you have a look at Gentoo. Their system seems 
to be exactly what we want.


http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-quickinstall.xml
(the root partition should be 4+GB large and the inode size 4096 or smaller)

You can boot their CD in VirtualBox and run:

net-setup eth0;passwd;/etc/init.d/sshd start

and then you can connect from outside with ssh into the Gentoo system and configure eveything by copy&pasting the instructions 
of that quick install manual.


After that you will have a base system pretty much like the Debian base system.

Then you can continue installing X11.
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml

You will notice that installing X11 in Gentoo does not require or depend on HAL.

I am not affiliated with Gentoo but I see a raising demand for Linux without HAL
http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+remove+HAL (Yes, almost 500.000 results)

And since I used Debian until this day I come here to tell you how I solved the 
HAL problem myself.

Take this mail the way you want. For me Debian stopped making sense when they tried to become another Ubuntu. We don't need two 
Ubuntu's with HAL. One is good enough. Debian should have stayed with the professional users who know best how their Linux 
should work.



Dirk


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Inquiry:How to totally wipe out the entire hard drive

[Mark Allums]

Florian Kulzer wrote:

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 23:56:47 -0400, Napoleon wrote:

Which actually proves nothing at all.


I have Karl Popper on the phone for you; he sounds extremely bored.


   It is only their opinion that
it cannot be done.


Wright et al. have empirical evidence supporting their conclusions.


But then if they had the equipment to do it,
they wouldn't be allowed to publish a paper on it.

Governments (including the U.S. government) have equipment far
surpassing anything publicly available (and discussable).


Maybe that is exactly what "they" want you to think...




I'm entering this late, and probably futilely, but wiping a hard drive
can be done.  It simply requires equipment that only the drive
manufacturers have.

Rather than wipe, destroy.  Drill several holes through the platters,
break the circuit boards, and submerge and drown the drive for a week or
two in a brine.

Not environmentally friendly, but effective.

May I ask, Why?  Got something to hide?

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Re: Losing Debian to the cancer known as HAL

[Andrei Popescu]

On Sun,13.Sep.09, 23:12:00, Dirk wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I have been using Debian/Unstable for more than 7 years.
> 
> Now I am switching to Gentoo because it really has become more
> attractive since Debian+HAL really isn't the operating system
> anymore I want to work with.

[snip]

If that's not flamebait...

Regards,
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Re: Losing Debian to the cancer known as HAL

[JoeHill]

Dirk wrote: 

> I am not affiliated with Gentoo but I see a raising demand for Linux without
> HAL http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+remove+HAL (Yes, almost 500.000
> results)

Yeah, and 3,750,000 for 'linux install hal'. So what?

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Re: local linux (debian) support

[Paul Johnson]

On Fri, 2009-09-11 at 20:40 +0200, Patrick Holthuizen wrote:
> Besides participating in a local Linux user group I
> thought of the idea to fill a google map with my contact details and
> information about which physical area I am willing to provide support
> for, for example:

Is this something that you can use Google Maps for without Google or
Navteq making a copyright claim for your data?  Have you considered
using a more debian-compatible option like openstreetmap.org instead?



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Re: Nvidia chipset problems on Presario

[Paul Johnson]

On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 09:44 +0100, Richard Lyons wrote:
> I have an HP Compaq Presario CQ60 laptop.  Having no high-speed connection,
> I have installed Debian 5.0.2 from the dvd set.  This gives me kernel·
> 2.6.26-2-686.  The Presario has an nvidia chipset (see output of lspci
> below).  The installer evidently fails to recognise this or doesn't have
> the right drivers.  Console writes to screen in a manner reminiscent of an
> old teletype terminal.  I installed the nvidia driver so that X now runs
> acceptably fast and at the correct resolution (1366 x 768).  But the console
> remains slow.  Also there is no sound.  Presumably both these are driver
> issues.  For the sound, it seems clear the wrong modules are loaded, see
> output of 'lsmod | grep snd' below.·

I'm really upset with the all around crap handling nvidia has given
Linux in the last couple of years.  Sure, they were first out the door
with some decent video drivers for Linux, but that was 10 years ago.
Today, their drivers tend to be stale, poorly maintained, and buggy at
best (hell, antialiasing doesn't even work right in their current
drivers).

If you want decent support, avoid nvidia.



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Re: Losing Debian to the cancer known as HAL

[Dirk]

Andrei Popescu wrote:

On Sun,13.Sep.09, 23:12:00, Dirk wrote:

Hello,

I have been using Debian/Unstable for more than 7 years.

Now I am switching to Gentoo because it really has become more
attractive since Debian+HAL really isn't the operating system
anymore I want to work with.


[snip]

If that's not flamebait...

Regards,
Andrei


A flamebait? Why do you think it would provoke an angry response? Because I am right and nothing else than an /angry/ response 
is left?


Whatever. I will not reply to any further posts.

If anyone is interested in all the arguments for and against HAL he may refer 
to the archive.

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2009/07/msg00944.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2009/08/msg00023.html


If one needs help with installing Gentoo he can go to

http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/lists.xml

there is a gentoo-users list.


Dirk


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[ANN] New mailing list for offtopic stuff

[Andrei Popescu]

Hello,

As some of you might recall I have been pushing for quite some time for 
a debian-offtopic list (#425439, #427218).

It seems I have managed to convince Holger Levsen, responsible for the 
www.debian-community.org project, that such a list would be beneficial 
for the community around Debian and he was kind enough to host such a 
list with the d-community project on alioth.debian.org

The new list is d-community-offto...@lists.alioth.debian.org[1]. At the 
moment it is open for posting by anyone[2] and you are welcome to move 
any discussions to that list which are OT on debian-user or other Debian 
lists (remember the "Sponge Bob" and "growing broccoli" threads?).

This however does not mean that the list is a place for endless 
flamewars and trolling. Please be nice to each other :)

[1] http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic
[2] this might change if the spam becomes unbearable.

Regards,
Andrei
P.S. Discussing whether such a list makes sense or not is OT on 
debian-user, which is why I set Reply-To: accordingly ;)
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Re: is there a truly offline feed reader?

[Paul Johnson]

On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 22:25 +0200, Leonardo Canducci wrote:
> Liferea is not, at least when a feed shows only a few lines and links
> to the true article, and so other popular readers.

Bug is with the feed, not the feed reader.  Try asking the sites you
frequent to provide a complete feed rather than expecting your feed
reader to also be a browser.



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Re: eth0 and networkmanager

[Celejar]

On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:27:26 -0700
Arthur Barlow  wrote:

> I understand that NetworkManager was designed as a tool for the
> woeful state of wireless connections and linux, but I'm using a

I don't think that the state of wireless in linux is all that woeful,
and to the extent that it is, the problem is generally driver support
for undocumented chipsets, something that NM can't help with.  I
generally manage my wireless quite happily with /etc/network/interfaces
and ifupdown.

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RE: using hotmail.com or mail.live.com

[Peter Crawford]

September 10, 2009 1:06:03 PM Ron wrote,
"Did you forget to write something?"


Well I've updated the version number in about:config
general.useragent.extra.firefox ... Firefox/3.0.9


If you read this, it worked.
 
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RE: using hotmail.com ...

[Peter Crawford]

September 10, 2009 1:06:03 PM Ron wrote,
"Did you forget to write something?"Well I've updated the version number in 
about:config
general.useragent.extra.firefox ... Firefox/3.0.9

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Re: [OTish] migrating from Access to .sql

[Nuno Magalhães]

> Hope this helps.

I've skimmed through it and it seems as though it'll help a lot,
thanks!! I was kinda hoping someone miraculously told me MySQL's
Migration Toolkit does support exporting to anything other than mysql
(and how), but i guess i'll have to use CSV after all.

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Re: Laptop getting so warm : (

[Kamaraju S Kusumanchi]

Hashimoto wrote:
> 
> What I'm wondering is if a device like this -
> http://www.atera.com.br/dispprod.asp?COD=CF6160H - can help me to solve
> this problem.
> 
> What do you think ??


Sometime back, my laptop was getting heated up as well. I bought a targus
stand  http://www.targus.com/US/product_details.asp?sku=AWE09US to raise
the base of the laptop, improve the heat transfer. The stand is compact,
portable and foldable.

Using the stand at the bottom, a box fan at the back solved my heating
problems.

$acpitool -t
  Thermal zone 1 : ok, 45 C
  Trip points :
  -
  critical (S5):   126 C


I am in no way associated with Targus and I heartily recommend this option.

raju

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Re: libc6-dev dependency issuse

[Kamaraju S Kusumanchi]

Mike Atkins wrote:

> I am trying to install gfortan, but I get a dependency issue with
> libc6-dev. I then tried to install libc6-dev by itself, but libc6-dev
> requires libc6 = 2.7-18, but I have libc6 = 2.9-4. Any ideas?
> 
> Mike
Please post the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list

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Re: libc6-dev dependency issuse

[Kamaraju S Kusumanchi]

Mike Atkins wrote:

> When I originally installed lenny, I think I updated all packages with
> unstable inadvertantly enabled. I imagine this is the root of all evil. In
> order to force libc6 to revert to the stable version (through synaptic), I
> need to reinstall most of the system, so I went ahead and just installed
> the unstable libc6-dev.
> 

You could have done something like

sudo apt-get install libc6-dev=2.7-18 gfortran=4:4.3.2-2

(I think) That will downgrade your libc6-dev, gfortran as necessary.

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VirtualBox on Lenny 2.6.26-amd64 kernel?

[Curt Howland]

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I've got Lenny, and I'm trying out the precompiled 2.6.26-amd64 
kernel, but not the 64bit install.

VirtualBox is the only application I've found a problem with. When 
running the 2.6.26-686 kernel, everything runs fine. When I boot the 
2.6.26-amd64 kernel, and yes I've compiled the module for that 
environment, it acts as if the module is a different version of VB 
than what is installed.

Is anyone else using the -amd64 kernel and VB? 

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RE: Removing linux-image-2.6.24-1-686

[Peter Crawford]

> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 00:05:35 +0200
> From: johan...@physik.blm.tu-muenchen.de
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Peter Crawford wrote:
>> http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=


Hotmail omitted the message body but not their annoying signature.


> You are on the wrong track. Removing linux and moving to M$ won't solve
> any problems, but create a bunch of new ones.
>
> Take care and do not to trade in your freedom just to become dependant
> on that company. Freedom is better than subordination!


Perish the thought.  2.6.26 and 2.6.30 work well.
I want to remove 2.6.24 only because it is no longer 
needed.  

Thanks, p. crawford



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Re: why can't i use grub with an ext3 /boot partition?

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Sun, 13 Sep 2009, Emanoil Kotsev wrote:

> j...@jretrading.com wrote:
>
> > 489951
>
> how big is your boot partition?

  tiny -- 512M.

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Re: why can't i use grub with an ext3 /boot partition?

[Robert P. J. Day]

On Sun, 13 Sep 2009, Andrew Reid wrote:

> On Sunday 13 September 2009 03:33:50 Robert P. J. Day wrote:
> >   possibly related to an earlier post that discussed grub but, when
> > installing lenny, if i choose to create a separate, primary partition
> > for /boot (a long-time habit), if i select ext3 for that partition, i
> > am not offered the chance to use grub as a bootloader.
> >
> >   as best i can tell, that /boot partition must be both:
>
>   I conjecture that you are doing Something Else wrong.
>
>   I have many machines that have ext3 /boot partitions, including
> several that were set up initially as lenny machines.  I also have
> this habit, and I generally intend to use ext2, but sometimes I
> forget to switch it from the installer's filesystem default, which
> is ext3.

  ok, so let's move beyond anecdotes and get into conjecture -- does
anyone know the debian installer well enough to know *what*
circumstances will cause said installer to refuse to offer grub as a
bootloader, and only present lilo?

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how to check root file system?

[Long Wind]

I use etch, which resides at /dev/sda4
how to check /dev/sda4 for errors?


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Re: how to check root file system?

[Tim Tebbit]

Long Wind wrote:
> I use etch, which resides at /dev/sda4
> how to check /dev/sda4 for errors?


fsck from liveCD
or
shutdown -rF which will fsck on its way back up.

Are you experiencing errors?


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Re: Losing Debian to the cancer known as HAL

[Sam Leon]

JoeHill wrote:
Dirk wrote: 


I am not affiliated with Gentoo but I see a raising demand for Linux without
HAL http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+remove+HAL (Yes, almost 500.000
results)


Yeah, and 3,750,000 for 'linux install hal'. So what?



I don't even know what HAL is

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Re: how to check root file system?

[Steve Reilly]

Long Wind wrote:
> I use etch, which resides at /dev/sda4
> how to check /dev/sda4 for errors?
> 
> 

fsck /dev/yourdevice








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Re: Losing Debian to the cancer known as HAL

[JoeHill]

Sam Leon wrote: 

> JoeHill wrote:
> > Dirk wrote: 
> >   
> >> I am not affiliated with Gentoo but I see a raising demand for Linux
> >> without HAL http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+remove+HAL (Yes, almost
> >> 500.000 results)  
> > 
> > Yeah, and 3,750,000 for 'linux install hal'. So what?
> >   
> 
> I don't even know what HAL is

You don't need to. It just works :-)

Just in case you're curious:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_abstraction_layer

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Re: listing installation minimal packages in lenny

[green]

Israel Garcia wrote at 2009-09-12 22:16 -0500:
> When you install lenny without check in group packages like (Desktop
> environmet, Web server, Print server, DNS server, File server, mail
> server, SQL server, Laptop), where can I find this list of  minimal
> packages lenny install by default?

I am not sure that the following (generated) list is the same as what 
debian-installer uses, but it might be... including tasksel's 'standard' task.

aptitude -F "%?p" search "?essential | ?priority(important) | 
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Re: Losing Debian to the cancer known as HAL

[Nate Bargmann]

* Dirk  [2009 Sep 13 15:49 -0500]:
> Hello,
>
> I have been using Debian/Unstable for more than 7 years.
>
> Now I am switching to Gentoo

Bye!

Free Software is about the choice that suits you the best.  Enjoy!

- Nate >>

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Re: [ANN] New mailing list for offtopic stuff

[Neal Hogan]

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Andrei Popescu
 wrote:
> Hello,
>
> As some of you might recall I have been pushing for quite some time for
> a debian-offtopic list (#425439, #427218).
>
> It seems I have managed to convince Holger Levsen, responsible for the
> www.debian-community.org project, that such a list would be beneficial
> for the community around Debian and he was kind enough to host such a
> list with the d-community project on alioth.debian.org
>
> The new list is d-community-offto...@lists.alioth.debian.org[1]. At the
> moment it is open for posting by anyone[2] and you are welcome to move
> any discussions to that list which are OT on debian-user or other Debian
> lists (remember the "Sponge Bob" and "growing broccoli" threads?).
>
> This however does not mean that the list is a place for endless
> flamewars and trolling. Please be nice to each other :)
>
> [1] http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic
> [2] this might change if the spam becomes unbearable.
>
> Regards,
> Andrei
> P.S. Discussing whether such a list makes sense or not is OT on
> debian-user, which is why I set Reply-To: accordingly ;)

Too late . . . for obvious reasons. The decision has been made and
your gonna have to deal with whatever 'OT' means.

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Re: using hotmail.com ...

[Neal Hogan]

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Peter Crawford  wrote:
>
> September 10, 2009 1:06:03 PM Ron wrote,
> "Did you forget to write something?"Well I've updated the version number in 
> about:config
> general.useragent.extra.firefox ... Firefox/3.0.9
>
>                         ... Peter


Do you have any idea what we are seeing?


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Re: using hotmail.com or mail.live.com

[Ron Johnson]

On 2009-09-13 16:33, Peter Crawford wrote:

September 10, 2009 1:06:03 PM Ron wrote,
"Did you forget to write something?"


Well I've updated the version number in about:config
general.useragent.extra.firefox ... Firefox/3.0.9


If you read this, it worked.


I see it, but standard quoting rules weren't followed.  The only 
thing you can do about that is not use hotmail...


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Re: how to check root file system?

[Ron Johnson]

On 2009-09-13 18:33, Steve Reilly wrote:

Long Wind wrote:

I use etch, which resides at /dev/sda4
how to check /dev/sda4 for errors?




fsck /dev/yourdevice



You can't fsck a mounted fs, and / is most certainly mounted.

Using a Live CD is the safest route...

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Re: using hotmail.com or mail.live.com (movin' OT)

[Neal Hogan]

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Ron Johnson  wrote:
> On 2009-09-13 16:33, Peter Crawford wrote:
>>
>> September 10, 2009 1:06:03 PM Ron wrote,
>> "Did you forget to write something?"
>>
>>
>> Well I've updated the version number in about:config
>> general.useragent.extra.firefox ... Firefox/3.0.9
>>
>>
>> If you read this, it worked.
>
> I see it, but standard quoting rules weren't followed.  The only thing you
> can do about that is not use hotmail...

"well, I use hotmail, and everything works just fine!"

"ya, but . . . I hate hotmail."

Are we goin' there again?

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Where did ctrl-alt-F1 go?

[Hendrik Boom]

I just downloaded and burned a new Debian testing netinstall CD last 
week, and used it to install testing.

Everything went well, but after installation, when I tried using ctrl-alt-
F1 to switch to a virual console, nothing happened.

How do I go about getting such a console?  I can get a root command 
window, but if I end up upgrading X sometime, that doesn't seem the best 
place to be controlling the upgrade from.

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Re: Losing Debian to the cancer known as HAL

[Consultores1]

El dom, 13-09-2009 a las 19:49 -0400, JoeHill escribió:
> Sam Leon wrote: 
> 
> > JoeHill wrote:
> > > Dirk wrote: 
> > >   
> > >> I am not affiliated with Gentoo but I see a raising demand for Linux
> > >> without HAL http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+remove+HAL (Yes, almost
> > >> 500.000 results)  
> > > 
> > > Yeah, and 3,750,000 for 'linux install hal'. So what?
> > >   
> > 
> > I don't even know what HAL is
> 
> You don't need to. It just works :-)

Yes, as in Windows! I hope, that you are not a developer or a core team
member.




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Re: listing installation minimal packages in lenny

[Israel Garcia]

On 9/13/09, green  wrote:
> Israel Garcia wrote at 2009-09-12 22:16 -0500:
>> When you install lenny without check in group packages like (Desktop
>> environmet, Web server, Print server, DNS server, File server, mail
>> server, SQL server, Laptop), where can I find this list of  minimal
>> packages lenny install by default?
>
> I am not sure that the following (generated) list is the same as what
> debian-installer uses, but it might be... including tasksel's 'standard'
> task.
Hi, Green

Do you know if debian brings some kind of groups pakages like redhat's
"yum groupinstall"?

Another question, dpkg -l gives me the complete (whole) list of pkages
installed on my server. I mean main packages and dependencies. How can
I list only the main installed packages (without dependencies) in
debian?

thanks,

regards,
Israel
>
> aptitude -F "%?p" search "?essential | ?priority(important) |
> ?priority(required) | ?priority(standard)"
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Defects in apt-spy and associated documentation

[Lee Winter]

2009-09-13

Defects in apt-spy and associated documentation

1.  [normal] Man apt-spy states that the default location for the -m
argument is /var/lib/apt-spy/mirrors.txt.  That statement is false.  I
found the file in /var/cache/apt-spy/mirrors.txt.

2.  [normal] Man apt-spy state that the -i option defines the location
of the input file and that the input file should be created with the
-w option.  But the description fails to mention any purpose or use of
"the input file".  There appears to be no such purpose given that -f,
-m, and -u define all of the files that apt-spy is supposed to use as
inputs.

3.  [normal] When run as "apt-spy -d lenny -s us" it tests one single
url, that being ftp.us.debian.org despite the fact that mirrors.txt
many mirrors and lists several members of the ftp.us.debian.org pool.
And when run with "-d lenny -s ca,us" it tests all of the canadian
mirrors, but only ftp.us.debian.org in the United States.

4.  [important]  It only tests with ftp.  There appears to be no
method to persuate it to test with http as the man documentation
suggests it should.

5.  [normal]  None of the output files contain any of the metric
information on which a user might based decisions regarding the
contents of sources.list.

6.  [important] Some configurations, which I cannot reliably cause,
produce entries of the form "(null)" in
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/apt-spy.list.  There are no error or warning
messages associated with the error condition.

Submitted by
Lee Winter
NP Engineering
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Exim4 configuration file (non split) on Debian

[Peter F Bradshaw]

Hi;

Anybody know which configuration file Exim4 uses when it is configured
for "non split" configuration on Debian?

Thanks.

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Re: Defects in apt-spy and associated documentation

[Andrei Popescu]

On Mon,14.Sep.09, 00:32:46, Lee Winter wrote:
> 2009-09-13
> 
> Defects in apt-spy and associated documentation
 
[snip 6 defects]

You could turn those into bug reports[1], but IMVHO you should read on 
severities[2] first.

[1] http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting
[2] http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities

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Re: listing installation minimal packages in lenny

[Javier Barroso]

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:16 AM, Israel Garcia  wrote:
> On 9/13/09, green  wrote:
>> Israel Garcia wrote at 2009-09-12 22:16 -0500:
>>> When you install lenny without check in group packages like (Desktop
>>> environmet, Web server, Print server, DNS server, File server, mail
>>> server, SQL server, Laptop), where can I find this list of  minimal
>>> packages lenny install by default?
>>
>> I am not sure that the following (generated) list is the same as what
>> debian-installer uses, but it might be... including tasksel's 'standard'
>> task.
> Hi, Green
>
> Do you know if debian brings some kind of groups pakages like redhat's
> "yum groupinstall"?
Maybe tasksel package, or aptitute "task" section in its first menu.

>
> Another question, dpkg -l gives me the complete (whole) list of pkages
> installed on my server. I mean main packages and dependencies. How can
> I list only the main installed packages (without dependencies) in
> debian?
More or less like green said,
aptitude -F "%?p" search "?essential"

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Re: how to check root file system?

[Sven Joachim]

On 2009-09-14 03:43 +0200, Ron Johnson wrote:

> On 2009-09-13 18:33, Steve Reilly wrote:
>> Long Wind wrote:
>>> I use etch, which resides at /dev/sda4
>>> how to check /dev/sda4 for errors?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> fsck /dev/yourdevice
>>
>
> You can't fsck a mounted fs, and / is most certainly mounted.

True.

> Using a Live CD is the safest route...

No need to fiddle with that, "shutdown -Fr now" should do the trick.

Sven


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