Re: Problems booting installation CDs
Am Samstag, den 22.08.2009, 21:48 -0400 schrieb Isaac Freeman: > [x-posted to debian-am...@lists.debian.org, > debian-b...@lists.debian.org, debian-u...@lists.debian.org] > > All, sorry for the wide distribution, but I wasn't sure which list > this belonged on; feel free to reply only to me, or to me and just one > list. Also, I'm not subscribed, so please keep me in to "to" line. > > Whenever I boot the Debian testing installation CD (haven't tried > stable) it hangs at: > > (process:766) INFO: kbd-mode: setting console mode to Unicode (UTF-8) > > The rest of the screen is black, and this text is a few lines from the > bottom of the screen. Other Linux distros (Ubuntu, Knoppix) have > problems booting too. The strange thing is, Windows boots just fine, > and I get the same error booting Debian's CD in Virtualbox. > > I am running: > > Mobo: Biostar TA770 A2+ SE > Add nopat to the boot options. Known problem, see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=538159 There's already a patch upstream, which will be hopefully included in the next kernel release. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
should a "normal* system have multiple library versions?
as a followup to something i asked earlier, i was curious about whether it was safe to clean older versions of packages off of a system i'm currently upgrading. (i inherited this system, so i don't have a full history of how it got to be how it is.) more specifically about those packages with multiple versions, most of them are, in fact, library packages. working from memory, there were quite a few lib packages that had two versions installed, a small number with three or more. is that normal? for comparison purposes, i'm looking at a fully-updated lenny system right now, and i see not a single example of a lib package for which multiple versions are installed, which is what i would expect. so i guess the question is, under *normal* circumstances, if one sticks with nothing but the stable packages, and does nothing but normal upgrades, is there *any* reason for a system to end up with multiple versions of packages? particularly library packages? i would have thought that, under normal processing, lib packages and their reverse dependencies would stay in sync as one kept upgrading. are there curcumstances under which that would *not* be the case? because my plan is to, for all of those older lib packages, use "apt-cache rdepends" to see who cares about it and, if no one, purge it. i see no reason to hang onto useless packages, if they are in fact useless. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: should a "normal* system have multiple library versions?
On Sun, 23 Aug 2009, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > for comparison purposes, i'm looking at a fully-updated lenny > system right now, and i see not a single example of a lib package > for which multiple versions are installed, which is what i would > expect. argh, i take it back -- i just noticed that this system has both libdb4.5 and libdb4.6 but checking with "apt-cache rdepends" shows quite a number of packages that still need 4.5, so i'm guessing that's a special case. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
RE: should a "normal* system have multiple library versions?
> From: Robert P. J. Day [mailto:rpj...@crashcourse.ca] > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 1:00 AM > > On Sun, 23 Aug 2009, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > for comparison purposes, i'm looking at a fully-updated lenny > > system right now, and i see not a single example of a lib package > > for which multiple versions are installed, which is what i would > > expect. > > argh, i take it back -- i just noticed that this system has both > libdb4.5 and libdb4.6 but checking with "apt-cache rdepends" shows > quite a number of packages that still need 4.5, so i'm guessing that's > a special case. > > rday You can run "deborphan" to show a list of libraries that nothing depends on, and would be safe to remove. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: should a "normal* system have multiple library versions?
On Sun,23.Aug.09, 03:59:47, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Sun, 23 Aug 2009, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > for comparison purposes, i'm looking at a fully-updated lenny > > system right now, and i see not a single example of a lib package > > for which multiple versions are installed, which is what i would > > expect. > > argh, i take it back -- i just noticed that this system has both > libdb4.5 and libdb4.6 but checking with "apt-cache rdepends" shows > quite a number of packages that still need 4.5, so i'm guessing that's > a special case. Yes, it's similar as with the GCC, some programs still need the older version. My suggestion would be to start aptitude in interactive mode and start marking packages as "Automatically installed" (Shift+m) which you think you don't need. Aptitude will then offer to remove those packages which have no rdepends. I don't need to worry about marking Essential packages (the debian packages that have Essential: yes), aptitude will never remove them automatically. Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
RE: should a "normal* system have multiple library versions?
On Sun, 23 Aug 2009, Kevin Ross wrote: > > From: Robert P. J. Day [mailto:rpj...@crashcourse.ca] > > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 1:00 AM > > > > On Sun, 23 Aug 2009, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > > > for comparison purposes, i'm looking at a fully-updated lenny > > > system right now, and i see not a single example of a lib > > > package for which multiple versions are installed, which is what > > > i would expect. > > > > argh, i take it back -- i just noticed that this system has both > > libdb4.5 and libdb4.6 but checking with "apt-cache rdepends" shows > > quite a number of packages that still need 4.5, so i'm guessing > > that's a special case. > > > > rday > > You can run "deborphan" to show a list of libraries that nothing > depends on, and would be safe to remove. ah, that will be immensely useful, thanks. on my amd64 lenny system, running that gives me only "libc6-i386". curious. since this is a 64-bit install, and nothing installed appears to depend on that 32-bit library, is there a reason it was installed in the first place? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: should a "normal* system have multiple library versions?
On Sun,23.Aug.09, 11:43:37, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Sun,23.Aug.09, 03:59:47, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > On Sun, 23 Aug 2009, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > > > for comparison purposes, i'm looking at a fully-updated lenny > > > system right now, and i see not a single example of a lib package > > > for which multiple versions are installed, which is what i would > > > expect. > > > > argh, i take it back -- i just noticed that this system has both > > libdb4.5 and libdb4.6 but checking with "apt-cache rdepends" shows > > quite a number of packages that still need 4.5, so i'm guessing that's > > a special case. > > Yes, it's similar as with the GCC, some programs still need the older packages > version. > > My suggestion would be to start aptitude in interactive mode and start > marking packages as "Automatically installed" (Shift+m) which you think > you don't need. Aptitude will then offer to remove those packages which > have no rdepends. > > I don't need to worry about marking Essential packages (the debian ^^^ You > packages that have Essential: yes), aptitude will never remove them > automatically. Sorry, it's been a long night ;) Regards, Andrei -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) signature.asc Description: Digital signature
webcam is not always detected
Hi, I attached an usb web cam, sometimes it is detected an runs correctly , sometimes not??!! (I am running lenny 5 kernel 2.6.30 same problem with 2.6.26) For example now, cheese doesn't give the photo, while lspci and lsusb give debian:/home/bela# lsusb Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0c45:62c0 Microdia Sonix USB 2.0 Camera Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub debian:/home/bela# lspci 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 01) 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 01) 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 01) 00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 01) 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 01) Is there a possibility to force the detection ? thanks for help best regards bela -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: safe to purge older versions of installed software?
Robert P. J. Day wrote: > this should be an easy one: on my current (etch) system, there are > a number of packages that have more than one version installed. for > example (and from memory), there are at least three versions of gcc > installed. am i safe to remove/purge the older ones? > > perhaps a better question is, what is the command to list the > packages that depend on a certain package? in fedora, i'm used to > running: > > $ rpm -q --whatrequires > aptitude comes in handy here: aptitude search '~i~D^$' Since aptitude uses regular expressions search is enclosed by ^ and $ to distinguish, e.g., between gcc-4.3 and gcc-4.3-doc. Also interesting may be aptitude search '~i!~M(~R~i|~Rrecommends:~i)' It will show any installed packages that aren't auto which are dependencies or recommendations of other packages. In short, packages that aren't marked auto but could (should?) be. Be aware though that circular depends/recommends prevents all packages in that list to be marked auto. -- Regards, Jörg-Volker. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: problem compiling kernel
Emanoil Kotsev wrote: Bernard wrote: Compiling md in the kernel is the right approach to boot from raided root without initrd. You can try this just skipping (deleteing the line in grub temporary) I just tried that. Raid compiled into the kernel instead of modules. No initrd. Still crashes at boot. Also done another test: in the /boot/grub/menu.lst file, replaced root=/dev/mapper/vg00-root by /dev/sda2. Still crashed : "cannot open root device 'sda2' or unknown block(0,0). There is another test that I would like to run, but I need help for this, since I don't know the whole package list: apt-get purge kernel-building gcc make kernel-utils etc... then edit my /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out lines that refer to package directories that are too recent, uncomment old lines referring to debian sarge packages only, excluding 'testing' etc.. then apt-get install kernel-building gcc make kernel-utils etc... and, from there on, trying to recompile, not newer kernels, but my good old running kernel 2.6.20-16-386 into a custom version without any sound options in it. What I need is the list of all packages that I should purge and re-install in their former version. regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: safe to purge older versions of installed software?
On Sun, 23 Aug 2009, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: > Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > this should be an easy one: on my current (etch) system, there are > > a number of packages that have more than one version installed. for > > example (and from memory), there are at least three versions of gcc > > installed. am i safe to remove/purge the older ones? > > > > perhaps a better question is, what is the command to list the > > packages that depend on a certain package? in fedora, i'm used to > > running: > > > > $ rpm -q --whatrequires > > > > aptitude comes in handy here: > > aptitude search '~i~D^$' > > Since aptitude uses regular expressions search is enclosed > by ^ and $ to distinguish, e.g., between gcc-4.3 and gcc-4.3-doc. i'm not sure what that's supposed to show me. let me give you an example from my running lenny system. if i run: $ apt-cache rdepends acpid i get a list that includes, among other things, two installed packages -- acpi-support and acpi-support-base -- and a bunch of other packages that *aren't* installed. what i want now is a way to list only the *installed* reverse deps of acpid. if i run (as you suggest): $ aptitude search '~i~D^acpid$' i get null output. what do you *think* i should see? rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday
Re: inode question
--- On Sun, 8/23/09, David Fox wrote: From: David Fox Subject: Re: inode question To: "Debian User Group" Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 1:45 AM On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 2:09 AM, Eugene Apolinary wrote: > Could that be possible to find the same inode, just because of there are two > filesystems? Yes, of course. Each fs is independent of the other, hence it is possible to have two inode entries with the same number. Of course they'd not point to the same file. \ -- thanks for letting me change the magnetic patterns on your hard disk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: inode question
ok, thank you!! --- On Sun, 8/23/09, Eugene Apolinary wrote: From: Eugene Apolinary Subject: Re: inode question To: "debian-user@lists.debian.org" Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 11:17 AM --- On Sun, 8/23/09, David Fox wrote: From: David Fox Subject: Re: inode question To: "Debian User Group" Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 1:45 AM On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 2:09 AM, Eugene Apolinary wrote: > Could that be possible to find the same inode, just because of there are two > filesystems? Yes, of course. Each fs is independent of the other, hence it is possible to have two inode entries with the same number. Of course they'd not point to the same file. \ -- thanks for letting me change the magnetic patterns on your hard disk. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: safe to purge older versions of installed software?
On Sun, 23 Aug 2009, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Sun, 23 Aug 2009, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: > > > Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > > this should be an easy one: on my current (etch) system, there are > > > a number of packages that have more than one version installed. for > > > example (and from memory), there are at least three versions of gcc > > > installed. am i safe to remove/purge the older ones? > > > > > > perhaps a better question is, what is the command to list the > > > packages that depend on a certain package? in fedora, i'm used to > > > running: > > > > > > $ rpm -q --whatrequires > > > > > > > aptitude comes in handy here: > > > > aptitude search '~i~D^$' > > > > Since aptitude uses regular expressions search is enclosed > > by ^ and $ to distinguish, e.g., between gcc-4.3 and gcc-4.3-doc. > > i'm not sure what that's supposed to show me. let me give you an > example from my running lenny system. if i run: > > $ apt-cache rdepends acpid > > i get a list that includes, among other things, two installed > packages -- acpi-support and acpi-support-base -- and a bunch of other > packages that *aren't* installed. > > what i want now is a way to list only the *installed* reverse deps > of acpid. if i run (as you suggest): > > $ aptitude search '~i~D^acpid$' > > i get null output. what do you *think* i should see? never mind, i just found the "apt-rdepends" package, with cool options like "--state-show=installed". someone might have mentioned that package earlier. :-) rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday
Re: safe to purge older versions of installed software?
Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Sun, 23 Aug 2009, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: > >> Robert P. J. Day wrote: >>> this should be an easy one: on my current (etch) system, there are >>> a number of packages that have more than one version installed. for >>> example (and from memory), there are at least three versions of gcc >>> installed. am i safe to remove/purge the older ones? >>> >>> perhaps a better question is, what is the command to list the >>> packages that depend on a certain package? in fedora, i'm used to >>> running: >>> >>> $ rpm -q --whatrequires >>> >> aptitude comes in handy here: >> >> aptitude search '~i~D^$' >> >> Since aptitude uses regular expressions search is enclosed >> by ^ and $ to distinguish, e.g., between gcc-4.3 and gcc-4.3-doc. > > i'm not sure what that's supposed to show me. let me give you an > example from my running lenny system. if i run: > > $ apt-cache rdepends acpid > > i get a list that includes, among other things, two installed > packages -- acpi-support and acpi-support-base -- and a bunch of other > packages that *aren't* installed. > > what i want now is a way to list only the *installed* reverse deps > of acpid. if i run (as you suggest): > > $ aptitude search '~i~D^acpid$' > > i get null output. what do you *think* i should see? > > rday On my systems the output of $ aptitude search '~i~D^acpid$' is i acpi-support-base - scripts for handling base ACPI events such since I have not installed package acpi-support. By the way, in order to get the list of all packages which are not marked auto and are not dependencies or recommendations of other packages issue $ aptitude search '~i!~M!(~R~i|~Rrecommends:~i)' -- Regards, Jörg-Volker. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: safe to purge older versions of installed software?
On Sun, 23 Aug 2009, Jörg-Volker Peetz wrote: > On my systems the output of > > $ aptitude search '~i~D^acpid$' > > is > > i acpi-support-base - scripts for handling base ACPI events > such you're right, i had a typo. sorry. but now that i've found "apt-rdepends", i'm good. rday -- Robert P. J. Day Waterloo, Ontario, CANADA Linux Consulting, Training and Annoying Kernel Pedantry. Web page: http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday
Re: problem compiling kernel
Bernard wrote: > Emanoil Kotsev wrote: > >>Bernard wrote: >> >> >> >> >>Compiling md in the kernel is the right approach to boot from raided root >>without initrd. You can try this just skipping (deleteing the line in grub >>temporary) >> >> > I just tried that. Raid compiled into the kernel instead of modules. No > initrd. Still crashes at boot. most probably you are missing other modules (like ide/ata lvm etc) You said your boot is on md but not on lvm. you can build a working initrd easily - this is actually all you need. > > Also done another test: > in the /boot/grub/menu.lst file, replaced root=/dev/mapper/vg00-root by > /dev/sda2. Still crashed : "cannot open root device 'sda2' or unknown > block(0,0). this can not work as your root is on lvm. what did you expect? try passing the kernel option init=/bin/sh > > There is another test that I would like to run, but I need help for > this, since I don't know the whole package list: > > apt-get purge kernel-building gcc make kernel-utils etc... > > then edit my /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out lines that refer to > package directories that are too recent, uncomment old lines referring > to debian sarge packages only, excluding 'testing' etc.. > > then > > apt-get install kernel-building gcc make kernel-utils etc... > > and, from there on, trying to recompile, not newer kernels, but my good > old running kernel 2.6.20-16-386 into a custom version without any sound > options in it. > > What I need is the list of all packages that I should purge and > re-install in their former version. > > regards You really could use the recent 2.6.30.4. There were different problems with 2.6.20 to 2.6.30. I find 2.6.30.4 the best I've had since 2.6.20. I was also very sad when I found out I can not compile 2.6.20 anymore. Put let's believe it's for the sake of the progress. So, what I would do (if I were you) is that I would download latest 2.6.30.4, and compile all I need to access my boot partition (as you already did with md in the kernel), then compile and rebuild or build by hand initramfs. Build by hand I pretty simple- it's actually hacking the one used. I do unzip it cd /tmp; mkdir test; cd test zcat /boot/initrdgz | cpio -Hnewc -i then edit init to match my needs i.e. depmod, modprobe, cryptsetup etc and finally put a line to run the real init. I then zip it find . ! -name *~ | cpio -H newc --create | gzip -9 > ../test-initrd.gz I can install then the new initrd (cp ../test-initrd.gz /boot/initrdgz) Once you've done it it's very simple and easy ... before it was a big trouble for me too. Just look positive as way to learn something new about your operating system. reagrds -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: -- SPAM -- webcam is not always detected
On 2009-08-23 03:58, belahcene wrote: Hi, I attached an usb web cam, sometimes it is detected an runs correctly , sometimes not??!! (I am running lenny 5 kernel 2.6.30 same problem with 2.6.26) For example now, cheese doesn't give the photo, while lspci and lsusb give debian:/home/bela# lsusb Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0c45:62c0 Microdia Sonix USB 2.0 Camera Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub debian:/home/bela# lspci 00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 01) 00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 01) 00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 01) 00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 01) 00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 01) Is there a possibility to force the detection ? Is this during boot, or while the system is running? What does dmesg indicate? Does the webcam have it's own power supply, or does it pull from the USB cable? -- Featuring GRATUITOUS ALIEN NUDITY -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Iceweasel 3.5
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: >> http://wiki.debian.org/FAQsFromDebianUser#using > > Doesn't document volatile. Mentions security but doesn't really document it > fully, even through the links provided. (In particular, I couldn't find > what to add you my source.list for volatile or security.) > > Yes, I know I can edit it, but I don't have time just now. All in good time I'm sure. These FAQs are an excellent resource. As is the list archive! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkqRZr0ACgkQsUUdIDHrdAV0IQCeMY8TLw50TX6Az66F8gB3nKKq Gm8An2RwuomGCqhAdPT5Tpq+3gtQg1uJ =T9vi -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
RE: Failure of X in squeeze.
> From: jdkay...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: Failure of X in squeeze. > Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 08:41:58 +0200 > Is this some sort of spam? I don't see a question anywhere. Yes; unintentional spam. One more try. Since earlier in August, X has failed in Squeeze running on an IBM NetVista. Nothing relevant has turned up in http://wiki.x.org/ nor in /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg. These are the last two lines in Xorg.0.log. (WW) intel(0): xf86UnMapVidMem: cannot find region for [0xb36fd000,0x300] FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. Any ideas? Thanks, ... p. crawford _ Stay in the loop and chat with friends, right from your inbox! http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9671354 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
motherboad for desktop
Hi: My old K7S5A (SiS735 chipset) Athlon i386 lenny desktop has died and I am wondering how to set up a new one for the same service (running 32bit graphic scientific programs, besides office use, and establishing scp connection with my amd64 computing machines). Absolutely no need of multicore, rather, a single fast processor would be of use for scientific purposes as parallelized codes are rare stuff. I thought to by a second hand single-processor motherboard but it might result as a bad jump into the past. Also, I have a couple of unused 150GB Raptor WD HDs that could only be used if nthe motherboard has SATA connections (better two, so as to set up a RAID1). Any suggestion on which motherboard (or motherboard type if you prefer to be uncommittal about brand) would be greatly appreciated. Thanks francesco pietra -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: What is the preferred way to install packages from testing/unstable in stable?
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:21:27 +0200, go...@dobosevic.com in gmane.linux.debian.user wrote: > >> So, I think the best solution is to ask developers to upload >> swfdec-mozilla to debian-volatile and to support it there too. >> >> What do you guys think? >> >> > I'm think you are right. This days most of end user's can't live without > this things (messenger, flash etc.)and they very often change. Web browsers to. ;-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [OT] Online downloadable books
On 8/22/2009 8:12 PM, Rodolfo Medina wrote: From: http://www.4shared.com I downloaded a book I was looking for: Takeuti-Zaring's Introduction to Axiomatic Set Theory. It comes in .djvu format. I'd be curious to know how it was formatted that way: certainly not by scanning it page to page. I think in future more and more books will be available on line, and many already are; but the problem is with old editions: either scanning them page after page, either re-write them from scratch. Another book I was looking for: Quine's Set Theory and Its Logic, was not anywhere in internet. Can anyone suggest a place where it's downloadable? Rodolfo You are talking about illegal copies of the books, I don't think that this is the right list for that. Some books are also available as ebooks, you can check amazon if they sell the books you want as ebooks. They are usually in pdf form quite often with drm. I've never ran into a book legal distributes as djvu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Fetchmail and Gmail
Hi all, could anyone explain to me why fetchmail is needed in the first place? >From user's point of view it is something "additional". Instead of configuring mail setup in single place (MUA, mail program), one has to set it up both in MUA (retrieve mail from local mail box) and fetchmail configuration file. The latter (IMHO) has very limited functionality of password encryption handling, no gui integration - it is needed to launch text editor to edit specific file... Does this setup have any advantages? It is counterintuitive and non ergonomic, isn't it? Are there any mail programs which allow seamless integration with fetchmail/getmail? Regards, Robert -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
RE: motherboad for desktop
> From: Francesco Pietra [mailto:chiendar...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 9:02 AM > > Hi: > My old K7S5A (SiS735 chipset) Athlon i386 lenny desktop has died and I > am wondering how to set up a new one for the same service (running > 32bit graphic scientific programs, besides office use, and > establishing scp connection with my amd64 computing machines). > Absolutely no need of multicore, rather, a single fast processor would > be of use for scientific purposes as parallelized codes are rare > stuff. I thought to by a second hand single-processor motherboard but > it might result as a bad jump into the past. Also, I have a couple of > unused 150GB Raptor WD HDs that could only be used if nthe motherboard > has SATA connections (better two, so as to set up a RAID1). > > Any suggestion on which motherboard (or motherboard type if you prefer > to be uncommittal about brand) would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > > francesco pietra If you want a fast, single-core processor, the Pentium 4 3.8 GHz can be found on eBay. It uses a LGA775 socket, so the motherboard can be upgraded to a Core 2 Duo or Core 2 Quad (but not Core i7) in the future, if the programs you run ever get upgraded to take advantage of multiple cores, or if you want to run multiple sing-threaded programs concurrently. Once you decide on the socket type (in this case LGA775), then it just comes down to what other features you want on a motherboard, and buying one from one of the major brands (Asus, Gigabyte, etc) that matches your feature list and budget. Any LGA775 board you buy will have multiple SATA connectors on it. They usually have fake RAID, but I don't recommend you use it. Instead, use Linux software RAID. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: motherboad for desktop
On 2009-08-23 11:01, Francesco Pietra wrote: Hi: My old K7S5A (SiS735 chipset) Athlon i386 lenny desktop has died and I am wondering how to set up a new one for the same service (running 32bit graphic scientific programs, besides office use, and establishing scp connection with my amd64 computing machines). Absolutely no need of multicore, rather, a single fast processor would be of use for scientific purposes as parallelized codes are rare stuff. I thought to by a second hand single-processor motherboard but it might result as a bad jump into the past. Also, I have a couple of unused 150GB Raptor WD HDs that could only be used if nthe motherboard has SATA connections (better two, so as to set up a RAID1). Any suggestion on which motherboard (or motherboard type if you prefer to be uncommittal about brand) would be greatly appreciated. If I wanted the fastest-available single-core CPU, I'd look for these on Ebay: Pentium D 900 at 3.4 GHz Pentium 4 6X1 at 3.8 GHz http://www.intel.com/pressroom/kits/quickreffam.htm Then I'd tailor my mobo purchase (again from Ebay), around that. -- Featuring GRATUITOUS ALIEN NUDITY -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Fetchmail and Gmail
Rob Gom writes: [...] > Are there any mail programs which allow seamless integration with > fetchmail/getmail? If by that you mean allow you to get your mail via POP or IMAP without editing any configuration files, sure, all of the GUI mail clients do this: Thunderbird, KMail, Evolution, etc. -Scott. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Fwd: S.O.S abrigo sem ração
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Re: Fetchmail and Gmail
On 2009-08-23 14:09, Rob Gom wrote: Hi all, could anyone explain to me why fetchmail is needed in the first place? Now *this* is an excellent flame! From user's point of view it is something "additional". Instead of configuring mail setup in single place (MUA, mail program), one has to set it up both in MUA (retrieve mail from local mail box) and fetchmail configuration file. It's not that difficult. Really. The latter (IMHO) has very limited functionality of password encryption handling, Sure it doess, with POPS. no gui integration Boo fscking hoo. - it is needed to launch text editor to edit specific file... Again, boo fscking hoo. Does this setup have any advantages? Yes, it does, since it fetches your mail *for you* from your ISP's POP server, and can send it to an MTA, which passes it thru SpamAssassin and then an MDA, which then filters your email into separate folders depending on topic or sender. Another benefit: for the longest time, ISPs had very small mailbox sizes, and some still do. fetchmail/getmail running in daemon mode or through cron every X minutes will keep your ISP mailbox relatively empty, even if you go away on vacation. It is counterintuitive Remember, *ix is both a desktop and serve at the same time. Thus, break out of your Windows Mentality. and non ergonomic, isn't it? "Ergonomics" has nothing to with fetchmail. Unless "automatically fetching mail so that you don't have to" is considered ergonomic. Are there any mail programs which allow seamless integration with fetchmail/getmail? All MTAs and MDAs, and Maildir, seamlessly integrate with fetchmail. -- Featuring GRATUITOUS ALIEN NUDITY -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: motherboad for desktop
Francesco Pietra wrote: Hi: My old K7S5A (SiS735 chipset) Athlon i386 lenny desktop has died and I am wondering how to set up a new one for the same service (running 32bit graphic scientific programs, besides office use, and establishing scp connection with my amd64 computing machines). That machine has been around for a while, yes? Looking at the specs and a review that mentions that they would have liked to see the AMR slot removed in favour of another PCI or perhaps even an ISA, I'm going to guess this isn't what one would call an insanely fast machine. :-) Absolutely no need of multicore, rather, a single fast processor would be of use for scientific purposes as parallelized codes are rare stuff. I thought to by a second hand single-processor motherboard but it might result as a bad jump into the past. Also, I have a couple of unused 150GB Raptor WD HDs that could only be used if nthe motherboard has SATA connections (better two, so as to set up a RAID1). Any suggestion on which motherboard (or motherboard type if you prefer to be uncommittal about brand) would be greatly appreciated. Motherboard manufactures all have good and bad designs and runs, so recommending a brand isn't such a good approach IMO. Anyway, (and I'm sure that you probably already know this) virtually any board easily available today is going to make use of DDR2 memory, will have SATA ports (usually 4, but I've seen some very low end ones that only had a pair), and may require a 24-pin power supply (some will still run with 20 pin or you might be able to get away with a 20 to 24 pin adapter). Another thing to consider is PCI slots. I do not know how your old system is set up, but that board has five PCI slots. That many PCI slots is becoming hard to find on current motherboards with the average being three, perhaps four, sometimes as low as a single slot. Myself, if I had a system similar to what you listed at the beginning, I'd find one of those low-end cpu/motherboard combo deals that show up at Fry's or newegg every so often. These usually consist of a Core2 based Celeron and an ECS (sometimes biostar) board. In my experience, the Core2-based Celerons running at around 2 Ghz (or less) are every bit as capable as a P4 3 GHz, but use considerably less power and generate a heck of a lot less heat. If I needed a bit more CPU grunt, I'd get a CPU that is built on the Core2 platform that isn't a Celeron. IMO, there isn't much point in not getting a multi-core CPU. Looking at Newegg for example, a 1.8 Celeron single core and a 2.2 Celeron dual core has a price difference of 10 US dollars, and just about any CPU commonly available is going to have 64-bit capabilities, not that you have to us them. Ultimately it depends on what your budget is, what is available in your area, and how much you want the newer board to do. But unless you are going to look at a machine that is about the same vintage as the old system, you are going to have to pick up more than just a new board. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Wrong identification of a USB flash drive. [SOLVED]
On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 21:16:15 -0400, Mark wrote in message <200908222116.15752.m...@neidorff.com>: > On Saturday 22 August 2009 08:47 pm, Kelly Clowers wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 09:09, Florian Kulzer > > [[[snip]]] > > Thank everyone for the advice. I now know what to do to solve the > problem. ..tell us, your solution may help somebody else here. Me, I just wiped my stick clean and used cfdisk to set up new partitions. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Mount ISO filesystem: no translation, no file version?
Hi, [Cc's appreciated as I don't subscribe to the list] By default, mounting an ISO filesystem will translate filenames, e.g. translating "THIS.DAT" to "this.dat". I need to turn off this translation. The manpage describes the option "map=off" which indeed turns off the lowercasing. However, the filenames now include the file version information, leading to a filename such as "THIS.DAT.;1". What I need is to have exactly the filename one sees on a windows machine, namely: "THIS.DAT". I can't work out which options will achieve this. Can someone point me in the right direction? Details: running debian/sid, kernel 2.6.30, "mount" command from util-linux 2.16-3. Thanks, -Steve signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [OT] Online downloadable books
> > > > Original Message >From: mi...@post.tau.ac.il >To: debian-user@lists.debian.org >Subject: Re: [OT] Online downloadable books >Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:26:42 +0300 > >>On 8/22/2009 8:12 PM, Rodolfo Medina wrote: >>> From: >>> >>> http://www.4shared.com >>> >>> I downloaded a book I was looking for: Takeuti-Zaring's >Introduction to >>> Axiomatic Set Theory. >>> >>> It comes in .djvu format. I'd be curious to know how it was >formatted that >>> way: certainly not by scanning it page to page. >>> >>> I think in future more and more books will be available on line, >and many >>> already are; but the problem is with old editions: either scanning >them page >>> after page, either re-write them from scratch. >>> >>> Another book I was looking for: Quine's Set Theory and Its Logic, >was not >>> anywhere in internet. Can anyone suggest a place where it's >downloadable? >>> >>> Rodolfo >>> >>> >> >>You are talking about illegal copies of the books, I don't think >that this is >>the right list for that. >> >>Some books are also available as ebooks, you can check amazon if >they sell the >>books you want as ebooks. They are usually in pdf form quite often >with drm. >> >>I've never ran into a book legal distributes as djvu >> The format is described on djvu.org. there's also a GPLed version of the library. L >> >>-- >>To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org >>with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org >> >> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: How could I change the limit of defined keyboard variants ?
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:40:44 +0200 Sever P A wrote: > Hello guys, > > gnome-keyboard-properties allows to define up to 4 keyboard variants... > > My question is: > > Is it possible to change this limit ? I believe that this is a hard-coded limit of X itself, not Gnome: "You can use multi-layouts xkb configuration. What does it mean? Basically it allows to load up to four different keyboard layouts at a time. Each such layout would reside in its own group. The groups (unlike complete keyboard remapping) can be switched very fast from one to another by a combination of keys." http://www.x.org/archive/X11R7.0/doc/html/XKB-Config2.html#2 This is old, but AFAIK, still current. Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Mount ISO filesystem: no translation, no file version?
On 2009-08-23 17:46, Steve M. Robbins wrote: Hi, [Cc's appreciated as I don't subscribe to the list] By default, mounting an ISO filesystem will translate filenames, e.g. translating "THIS.DAT" to "this.dat". I need to turn off this translation. The manpage describes the option "map=off" which indeed turns off the lowercasing. However, the filenames now include the file version information, leading to a filename such as "THIS.DAT.;1". That looks like a CD created by OpenVMS... What I need is to have exactly the filename one sees on a windows machine, namely: "THIS.DAT". I can't work out which options will achieve this. Can someone point me in the right direction? Details: running debian/sid, kernel 2.6.30, "mount" command from util-linux 2.16-3. -- Featuring GRATUITOUS ALIEN NUDITY -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Mount ISO filesystem: no translation, no file version?
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 07:19:57PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote: > On 2009-08-23 17:46, Steve M. Robbins wrote: > >Hi, > > > >[Cc's appreciated as I don't subscribe to the list] > > > >By default, mounting an ISO filesystem will translate filenames, > >e.g. translating "THIS.DAT" to "this.dat". I need to turn off this > >translation. > > > >The manpage describes the option "map=off" which indeed turns off the > >lowercasing. However, the filenames now include the file version > >information, leading to a filename such as "THIS.DAT.;1". > > That looks like a CD created by OpenVMS... No, it wasn't. File version is an integral feature of ISO 9660; c.f. http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-119.htm section 7.5.1. Regards, -Steve signature.asc Description: Digital signature
How to play iso dvd without kde?
Hi everybody. I'm trying to play an iso dvd in my box. If I do with kaffeine or Dragon player it works fine but If I try to do with totem it fails. The fact is that I want to do it on my laptop and I don't want any kde library in that system. I search in google and many people says they do this job with totem, but I've been trying and never works, neither on my laptop nor my desktop. Maybe I need a totem plugin or so. Please, do you have any idea of what to do? Regards Juan Lavieri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: How to play iso dvd without kde?
On 2009-08-23 20:54, Juan Lavieri wrote: Hi everybody. I'm trying to play an iso dvd in my box. If I do with kaffeine or Dragon player it works fine but If I try to do with totem it fails. The fact is that I want to do it on my laptop and I don't want any kde library in that system. I search in google and many people says they do this job with totem, but I've been trying and never works, neither on my laptop nor my desktop. Maybe I need a totem plugin or so. Please, do you have any idea of what to do? vlc -- Featuring GRATUITOUS ALIEN NUDITY -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: motherboad for desktop
> virtually any board easily available today is going to make use of DDR2 > memory What about DDR3 memory, is that preferable? -- CK -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: How to play iso dvd without kde?
Ron Johnson escribió: On 2009-08-23 20:54, Juan Lavieri wrote: Hi everybody. I'm trying to play an iso dvd in my box. If I do with kaffeine or Dragon player it works fine but If I try to do with totem it fails. The fact is that I want to do it on my laptop and I don't want any kde library in that system. I search in google and many people says they do this job with totem, but I've been trying and never works, neither on my laptop nor my desktop. Maybe I need a totem plugin or so. Please, do you have any idea of what to do? vlc it works. Thank you Ron. Best Regards Juan Lavieri -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: [OT] Online downloadable books
On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:26:42 +0300 Micha wrote: ... > You are talking about illegal copies of the books, I don't think that this is > the right list for that. > > Some books are also available as ebooks, you can check amazon if they sell > the > books you want as ebooks. They are usually in pdf form quite often with drm. > > I've never ran into a book legal distributes as djvu And you an Israeli, too (or at least posting from an Israeli email address and with an Israeli name) ;) Jnul makes hundreds of books freely available online in djvu format: http://www.jnul.huji.ac.il/heb/digibook.html Perhaps you meant that modern, copyrighted books are not generally legally available in djvu format. Celejar -- mailmin.sourceforge.net - remote access via secure (OpenPGP) email ssuds.sourceforge.net - A Simple Sudoku Solver and Generator -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
RE: motherboad for desktop
Francesco Pietra wrote: > new [desktop motherboard] for the same service (running 32bit graphic > scientific programs, besides office use, and establishing scp > connection with my amd64 computing machines). Absolutely no need of > multicore, rather, a single fast processor would be of use for > scientific purposes as parallelized codes are rare stuff. See this for some background: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2009/07/msg01216.html I'm currently considering the Intel DG45ID motherboard. It has everything I need, including Intel's best video chip (X4500ID): http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherboards/DG45ID/DG45ID-overview.htm The DG45ID does not support the older generation Pentium processors (4 and D), which should tell you something. Furthermore, this benchmark shows that modern Core 2 Duo cores are faster than any Pentium, past or present (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law ): http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php Intel Pentium 4 3.80GHz 615/1 = 615/core Intel Pentium D 3.40GHz 900/2 = 450/core Intel Pentium E6300 @ 2.80GHz1811/2 = 905/core Intel Core2 Duo E7400 @ 2.80GHz 1871/2 = 935/core Intel Core2 Duo E8600 @ 3.33GHz 2417/2 = 1208/core The modern Core 2 Quad cores run at lower frequencies (heat?): Intel Core2 Quad Q8300 @ 2.50GHz 3553/4 = 888/core Intel Core2 Quad Q9650 @ 3.00GHz 4426/4 = 1106/core But, the smallest i7 core is faster than any Core 2: Intel Core i7 920 @ 2.67GHz 5444/4 = 1361/core If 3-D video is important, Intel's G45 doesn't compare against generation 9 and 10 NVIDIA cards: http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu_list.php G45/G43 Express Chipset 191 GeForce 9500 GT 376 GeForce GTX 260 1719 (NVIDIA's drivers seem to work better now, but are still closed source.) So, I'm also considering the Intel DX58SO motherboard plus an NVIDIA card: http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/motherboards/DX58SO/DX58SO-overview.htm The DX58SO has over-clocking capabilities, if you're into that (I typically run my machines at specified settings): http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=262&Itemid=69&limit=1&limitstart=9 As always, benchmarks must be taken with a grain of salt (gram? gallon?). If you have a specification application in mind and can map it to specific assembler/ compiler/ processor/ GPU features, disregard all of the above. Also, recompiling/ redesigning your application for multiprocessing will allow for multi-core possibilities and beyond ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beowulf_cluster ). Surfing for prices and min-maxing a modest 32-bit motherboard + CPU + RAM [+ video] setup: ~$300 for DG45ID/ Core 2 Duo/ 2 GB ~$450 for DG45ID/ Core 2 Quad/ 4 GB ~$700 for DX58SO/ Core i7/ 3 GB/ NVIDIA PCIe x16 Give Page's Law ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page's_law ) and my personal usage patterns, I'd label the DG45ID/ Core 2 Duo as a "3+ year desktop" and the DX58SO as a "5+ year desktop". HTH, David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
