date:20090801


On 2009-08-01 01:39, Tyler MacDonald wrote:

Ron Johnson  wrote:

Is that Canadian "burning hot" (80F), Arizona "burning hot" (115F,
10% humidity) or New Orleans "burning hot" (90F, 60% humidity)?


I'm in canada, and it's 32C which according to google is new orleans hot but
i have no idea about the humidity...


Anyway, why in God's name do you want to work in the burning heat,
when AC is pissing distance away?


My yard extends farther than I can piss - but not farther than I can run an
extension cord.  It has a nice fir tree near that back.  Seems like a nice
place to hang out and program, if I can see the screen clearly and not melt
my interface to the digial universe.  I'll bring a jug of ice cold water and
always keep another chilling in the fridge to keep my personal epidermal
cooling system operational.


If you don't start sweating from the oppressive humidity, and the 
laptop has a reasonably-accurate CPU temperature utility, then why 
not just go for it?  32C won't melt anything besides ice and 
chocolate...


One thing, though, that I've found useful: help air circulate by 
propping up the rear of the laptop with a short section of 2x4 or 
plywood.


Another thought: that water jug will attract condensation, and 
you're sure to get some on your fingers.  How water-resistant is 
your kb?


--
Scooty Puff, Sr
The Doom-Bringer


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Fwd: Inquiry: How to set the crontab job permanently

2009-08-01 Thread hadi motamedi

Dear All
We found a cure for this problem , as the followings :
"
- Put the System cron & the User cron inside a file , say /tmp/temp .
- Add the following line to your /etc/rc.local :
crontab /tmp/temp
- We tested it and it will not disappear even after server reboot .
Regards
H.Motamedi



-- Forwarded message --
From: hadi motamedi 
Date: Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 5:02 AM
Subject: Inquiry: How to set the crontab job permanently
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Dear All
We have set a new scheduled task through crontab job list , as the
followings :
#crontab -e
30 23 * * * cp ~www/db_backup/cdr/cdrFromMSC* /tmp
It is functioning correctly but we will loose it after server reboot . Can
you please let us know how we can set it permanently even after server
reboot ?
Regards
H.Motamedi

compile error - missing X11 headers

2009-08-01 Thread Glen Lee Edwards

After a rather lengthy break from compiling my own programs, I'm trying
to build fvwm, 
but am getting an error message: "X11 libraries or header files could
not be found..."  
Now that Debian is using Xorg, I'm at a loss as to how to fix this.
Comments?

Glen

Re: dot matrix printer unicode question

2009-08-01 Thread Osamu Aoki

Hi, 

Jude, relax and take your time to read and 

It is recommended not to use top posting on Mailing list. (I reordered)

> On Sat, 1 Aug 2009, Osamu Aoki wrote:
>> You are very unclear what you mean by "real dos computer".

On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 02:04:20AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> By real dos computer I mean a different machine with msdos 6.22 installed 
> on it that was connected to the printer through its parallel port and the 
> file was copied to a floppy disk and printed from that floppy disk on the 
> other machine.  The other machine hasn't enough resources to install  
> windows or Linux, so it's a real dos machine.  When I tried this on 
> debian I tried: cat biglots.txt >/dev/lp0 and lpr biglots.txt and lp 
> biglots.txt I didn't try piping the cat through lp or lpr.  The 13 line 
> file was a text file I made with ex if memory serves.

So far, I understand but you did not answer the rest of the mail.

>> Are you doing:
>>
>> debian $ cat somefile.txt |lpr
>>
>> dos> cat somefile.txt > PRT:
>>
>> or used some DOS full screen application to print via menu dialog.
>>
>> (I forgot DOS device name for parport.)

This is important.  

>>> I have a printer queue set up which allows lpr and lp both to
>>> print garbage last time a sighted person took a look dollar signs
>>> question marks and very long lines of text were being printed.
>>
>> If you are using DOS full screen application to print via menu dialog,
>> text is processed to fit to printer protocol by your DOS application.
>>
>> If you did not configure lpr right, data is directly sent to printer.
>> UTF-8 character makes this situation worse because printer assumes asii
>> with some escape sequence as expected input.
>>
>> I recommend you to use CUPS which set up printer eaily.  If you have
>> problem with some UTF-8 chracters, you need to convert text with a2ps
>> etc. to ps file.
>>
>>> This is a grocery list with one item per line.
>>
>> Please read following and CUPS documentation for more:
>>
>> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch06.en.html#_the_print_server_and_utility
>> http://www.cups.org/

Have you took time to read at least some of these?

Anyway, you really need to configure printer system.

There is no one line answer for it.

Osamu


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

(nautilus:3241): Unique-DBus-WARNING **: Error while sending message: Did not receive a reply.

2009-08-01 Thread Rick Thomas

Has anybody ever seen this message?  I'm getting it in my .xsession- 
errors and I wonder what it means?  (See bug number #538879)


Any help in tracking it down will be appreciated...

=
(nautilus:3241): Unique-DBus-WARNING **: Error while sending message:  
Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote  
application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy  
blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network  
connection was broken.

=


Thanks!

Rick


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: compile error - missing X11 headers


On 2009-08-01 02:49, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:

After a rather lengthy break from compiling my own programs, I'm trying
to build fvwm, 


Is the Debian repository too out-of-date?


but am getting an error message: "X11 libraries or header files could
not be found..."  
Now that Debian is using Xorg, I'm at a loss as to how to fix this.

Comments?


For starters, do you have these installed?

xorg-dev
xserver-xorg-dev

--
Scooty Puff, Sr
The Doom-Bringer


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Fwd: Inquiry: How to set the crontab job permanently



That's The Wrong Way to solve the problem.  You haven't told us 
enough to diagnose the *real* problem.


On 2009-08-01 02:57, hadi motamedi wrote:

Dear All
We found a cure for this problem , as the followings :
"
- Put the System cron & the User cron inside a file , say /tmp/temp .
- Add the following line to your /etc/rc.local :
crontab /tmp/temp
- We tested it and it will not disappear even after server reboot .
Regards
H.Motamedi



-- Forwarded message --
From: hadi motamedi 
Date: Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 5:02 AM
Subject: Inquiry: How to set the crontab job permanently
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org


Dear All
We have set a new scheduled task through crontab job list , as the
followings :
#crontab -e
30 23 * * * cp ~www/db_backup/cdr/cdrFromMSC* /tmp
It is functioning correctly but we will loose it after server reboot . Can
you please let us know how we can set it permanently even after server
reboot ?
Regards
H.Motamedi




--
Scooty Puff, Sr
The Doom-Bringer


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

mutt: compose message in new window [was: Re: Musings on debian-user list]

On Wed,29.Jul.09, 18:47:55, Chris Jones wrote:
 
> The only thing I find "frustrating" about mutt is that it is impossible
> to view more than one message at a time - you actually have to fire up a
> second instance of mutt to achieve this. 

The only time I *really* needed this is at compose time. I searched the 
web for a solution and the only thing that comes close is the solution 
in this thread

http://does-not-exist.org/mail-archives/mutt-users/msg14344.html

but I keep getting prompted for To: and Subject:

Any other ideas?

Regards,
Andrei
-- 
If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
(Albert Einstein)


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

kdm font problems

2009-08-01 Thread Matthew Moore

Hello,

I rebooted today and noticed a font issue with the kdm login screen. The 
greeting and fail messages use the correct font, but the font for everything 
else is some ugly default font.

I have tried changing the configuration in systemsettings as well as in the 
file 
/etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc. kdm will use the correct fonts for the greeting and the 
failure messages, but changing the "General" (in systemsettings) or "StdFont" 
(in kdmrc) setting has no effect.

Does anyone have any ideas? Is anyone else also encountering this problem?

Thanks,
MM


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Aug 1 & 16- Global VOIP Free SW HW Culture meeting, BerkeleyTIP, For Forwarding

2009-08-01 Thread john_re

Interested in joining the friendly global Free SW HW & Culture communities in a 
global Voice meeting?  You´re invited. :)

You can join from your home, or better: get a local meeting together. Tip: a 
college WiFi cafe could be a great local meeting place.  Make sure you have a 
VOIP headset!

For all details, see the website (I´m leaving out many sublinks to make this 
email smaller).
http://sites.google.com/site/berkeleytip

Start by joining #berkeleytip on IRC freenode.net.  We´ll help you get your 
VOIP connection working. :)

=  MARK YOUR CALENDARS: 1st Sat & 3rd Sunday each month. August 1 & 16.
10A - 6P Pacific US time (+7H GMT, IIRC)
= 1P-9P Eastern US time = 5P - 1A GMT ?

Or, come to the local meeting on the UC Berkeley campus.
NOTE: SPECIAL LOCATION AUG 1: SEE BTIP WEBSITE FOR LOCATION,
& RSVP TO ME OR THE BTIP LISTS.

AUG 1 MEETING WILL BE 12N - 3P AT THE BTIP VOIP SERVER LOCATION 
ON THE UCB CAMPUS.  SEE THE WEBSITE FOR ROOM LOCATION.
We´ll hack on the new BTIP Asterisk VOIP server, in its presence.

PLEASE RSVP TO ME (John) OR THE LIST IF YOU WANT TO MEET AT OUR
USUAL LOCATION, THE FREE SPEECH CAFE, 10A-12n, 3-6PM,
(otherwise i might not be there).

=  MEETING TOPICS FOR AUGUST:
1) Whatever _you_ want to work on - Email the BTIPGlobal list & 
let us know what your interests are.
2) Our VOIP conference server, using Asterisk.
3) Planning for year 2.

=  JOIN FOR THE START OF YEAR 2 GLOBAL MEETINGs:
We had a great first year.  We had local attendees from around the San 
Francisco Bay Area & Northern California.  High School, College, Grad Students, 
& working & retired people attended.

>From the US, people joined the meeting (IRC or VOIP) from Hawaii to Virgina, 
>Washington to Michigan to Florida. (+ California & other states.)

Globally, Sweden, Germany, England, Ireland, Iran & India (& maybe others I 
don´t recall right now.) :)

In May Richard Stallman joined the global meeting for Q & A about free SW & HW.

== YEAR 2 FOCUS: COLLEGE LOCAL MEETINGS, & AMERICAS´ ANNOUNCEMENTS.

Two main things I´ll focus on this year:
1) Inviting groups to join at colleges & universities - BTIP is educational.  
My hope: if more students learn about free SW hw & culture, some of them will 
then go on to become _contributors_. :)

2) I´ll try to get monthly announcements out to the biggest LUGs in the 10 
largest countries in the Americas.

== What would _YOU_ like to accomplish this year?  Email the BTIP mail list, 
say ¨hi¨, tell us about your interests, projects & desires.

=  FOR FORWARDING - You are invited to forward this announcement wherever 
you think it might be appreciated.


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: (nautilus:3241): Unique-DBus-WARNING **: Error while sending message: Did not receive a reply.

2009-08-01 Thread Leonardo Gaudino

I experience the same problem (only difference is nautilus:3645,
whatever it means...). A pop-up message appears while loading the
session showing that phrase. The strangest is that everything does work
fine. This happens only at the first login: if i terminate the session
and login again no errors pop up.

Debian testing, kernel 2.6.30-bpo.1-686, gnome 2.26.1

Leonardo

Re: kdm font problems

2009-08-01 Thread Gilles Mocellin

Le Saturday 01 August 2009 10:40:42 Matthew Moore, vous avez écrit :
> Hello,
>
> I rebooted today and noticed a font issue with the kdm login screen. The
> greeting and fail messages use the correct font, but the font for
> everything else is some ugly default font.
>
> I have tried changing the configuration in systemsettings as well as in the
> file /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc. kdm will use the correct fonts for the greeting
> and the failure messages, but changing the "General" (in systemsettings) or
> "StdFont" (in kdmrc) setting has no effect.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas? Is anyone else also encountering this problem?
>
> Thanks,
> MM

Same here, but only on one of my two computers...
Very strange.

I didn't find a solution yet.
I also don't search too much, because I don't spend much time on the KDM login 
screen !



signature.asc
Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Reason to not upgrade to 5.0 - was Re: Problem with Debian 4.0 security

2009-08-01 Thread Bret Busby


On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, Bret Busby wrote:



On Thu, 25 Jun 2009, Johannes Wiedersich wrote:



Bret Busby wrote:

I am running Debian 4.0 on this computer.

The facility Desktop -> Lock Screen, is not working.


It's quite probable that this is just a configuration issue. What is
your configuration?



Which configuration?

In which file would I find the specific configuration to which you refer?


If you are concerned about security, you should schedule your upgrade to
Debian "lenny" 5.0, which is the current version of Debian.



It doesn't look as nice.




Actually, in today reconsidering upgrading to Debian 5.0, and, reading 
the information on the Debian web site, and, in checking using the 
package search facility on the Debian web site, I have found that Debian 
5.0 excludes Iceape and Seamonkey, and does not include any Mozilla 
applications, so, with the elimination of Iceape/Seamonkey, Debian 5.0 
is simply not as functional, or, as useful to me, as Debian 4.0.


I was investigating upgrading to Debian 5.0, as a printer that I have 
just bought, which appears too difficult to get running on Debian 4.0, 
apparently operates as a Plug And Play device on Debian 5.0 and Ubuntu 
8.04, but, it appears that I will simply have to sacrifice using the 
printer with Debian, as Debian 5.0, with which the printer apparently 
works well, is too lacking in functionality and usefulness, to switch 
to.


--
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
..

"So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
  Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
  "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
  A Trilogy In Four Parts",
  written by Douglas Adams,
  published by Pan Books, 1992




--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

HOWTO enhance Debian by removing HAL

2009-08-01 Thread Dirk


Hello,

i would like to start a thread where everyone posts his solution for 
removing HAL or says why "nanny-features" like HAL shouldn't be enforced 
in Linux.



Disable HAL in Xorg on Debian / Ubuntu

http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/341.html

Disable automatic polling of CD/DVD-ROM drives to save power (and time)

http://blogs.koolwal.net/2009/07/24/tip-disable-automatic-polling-of-cd-roms-to-save-power/


I wonder why people who need "nanny-features" like HAL refuse to just 
use windows instead.



Dirk


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Reason to not upgrade to 5.0 - was Re: Problem with Debian 4.0 security


On 2009-08-01 05:33, Bret Busby wrote:
[snip]


Actually, in today reconsidering upgrading to Debian 5.0, and, reading 
the information on the Debian web site, and, in checking using the 
package search facility on the Debian web site, I have found that Debian 
5.0 excludes Iceape and Seamonkey,


It's back in Sid now, soon to be in Squeeze.   *Maybe* it can make 
it back into Lenny.


   and does not include any Mozilla 
applications,


What do you mean?  Am I misunderstanding you?

http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/iceweasel
http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/iceowl
http://packages.debian.org/stable/mail/icedove

  so, with the elimination of Iceape/Seamonkey, Debian 5.0 
is simply not as functional, or, as useful to me, as Debian 4.0.


You could always install the mozilla.org binary...

--
Scooty Puff, Sr
The Doom-Bringer


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Reason to not upgrade to 5.0 - was Re: Problem with Debian 4.0 security

2009-08-01 Thread Sven Joachim

On 2009-08-01 12:33 +0200, Bret Busby wrote:

> Actually, in today reconsidering upgrading to Debian 5.0, and, reading
> the information on the Debian web site, and, in checking using the
> package search facility on the Debian web site, I have found that
> Debian 5.0 excludes Iceape and Seamonkey, and does not include any
> Mozilla applications, so, with the elimination of Iceape/Seamonkey,
> Debian 5.0 is simply not as functional, or, as useful to me, as Debian
> 4.0.

It is true that Iceape/Seamonkey are not included, but that does not
hold for other Mozilla applications.  And running the Iceape version in
Debian 4.0 is a _big_ security problem, so that is no reason to stay at
4.0 (it may be a reason to switch to another distribution instead).

If you want to have that particular application, your best bet is to
download either Seamonkey 1.17 or 2.0b1 directly from
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/.  Both versions should run out of the
box on Debian 5.0.

Sven

-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Reason to not upgrade to 5.0 - was Re: Problem with Debian 4.0 security

2009-08-01 Thread Sven Joachim

On 2009-08-01 13:07 +0200, Ron Johnson wrote:

> On 2009-08-01 05:33, Bret Busby wrote:
> [snip]
>>
>> Actually, in today reconsidering upgrading to Debian 5.0, and,
>> reading the information on the Debian web site, and, in checking
>> using the package search facility on the Debian web site, I have
>> found that Debian 5.0 excludes Iceape and Seamonkey,
>
> It's back in Sid now, soon to be in Squeeze.

It is in Sid, but will probably not make it into Squeeze before 2.0 is
released.

>   *Maybe* it can make it back into Lenny.

No way.

Sven


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Reason to not upgrade to 5.0 - was Re: Problem with Debian 4.0 security

2009-08-01 Thread Allen Meyers

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 6:16 AM, Sven Joachim wrote:
> On 2009-08-01 13:07 +0200, Ron Johnson wrote:
>
>> On 2009-08-01 05:33, Bret Busby wrote:
>> [snip]
>>>
>>> Actually, in today reconsidering upgrading to Debian 5.0, and,
>>> reading the information on the Debian web site, and, in checking
>>> using the package search facility on the Debian web site, I have
>>> found that Debian 5.0 excludes Iceape and Seamonkey,
>>
>> It's back in Sid now, soon to be in Squeeze.
>
> It is in Sid, but will probably not make it into Squeeze before 2.0 is
> released.
>
>>   *Maybe* it can make it back into Lenny.
>
> No way.
>
> Sven
>
>
> --
> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org
> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org



I have had 5.0 since it was released. Use it every day for surfing and
e-mail. Have installed all upgrades and have not had one speck of
trouble.
But maybe when I REALLY become an experienced user  I will realize all
these things I keep hearing about.
a 77 year old happy 5.0 user ignorance is bliss


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Mail transfer agent and Active Directory

2009-08-01 Thread pch0317

Hello
I have 150 users in my network. I want to change MsExchange to open MTA.

1. Is there any open MTA which cooperate with Active Directory or
eDirectory? I don't want to create 150 user account. I would like to it
still work even when Active Directory password change (password change
every month).

2. Is there any MTA which have integrated IMAP or POP server? If no,
which IMAP or POP server choose.

Thanks


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: HOWTO enhance Debian by removing HAL

2009-08-01 Thread Nate Bargmann

* Dirk  [2009 Aug 01 06:06 -0500]:
> Hello,
>
> i would like to start a thread where everyone posts his solution for  
> removing HAL or says why "nanny-features" like HAL shouldn't be enforced  
> in Linux.
>
>
> Disable HAL in Xorg on Debian / Ubuntu
>
> http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/341.html

To be complete you should also disable and remove udev.

> I wonder why people who need "nanny-features" like HAL refuse to just  
> use windows instead.

A new month, a new troll?

- Nate >>

-- 

"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
possible worlds.  The pessimist fears this is true."

Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://n0nb.us/index.html


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: dot matrix printer unicode question

On Sat, 1 Aug 2009, Osamu Aoki wrote:

Hi,

Jude, relax and take your time to read and

It is recommended not to use top posting on Mailing list. (I reordered)

On Sat, 1 Aug 2009, Osamu Aoki wrote:

You are very unclear what you mean by "real dos computer".

On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 02:04:20AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:

By real dos computer I mean a different machine with msdos 6.22 installed
on it that was connected to the printer through its parallel port and the
file was copied to a floppy disk and printed from that floppy disk on the
other machine. The other machine hasn't enough resources to install
windows or Linux, so it's a real dos machine. When I tried this on
debian I tried: cat biglots.txt >/dev/lp0 and lpr biglots.txt and lp
biglots.txt I didn't try piping the cat through lp or lpr. The 13 line
file was a text file I made with ex if memory serves.

So far, I understand but you did not answer the rest of the mail.

Are you doing:

debian $ cat somefile.txt |lpr

dos> cat somefile.txt > PRT:

or used some DOS full screen application to print via menu dialog.

(I forgot DOS device name for parport.)

This is important.

I have a printer queue set up which allows lpr and lp both to
print garbage last time a sighted person took a look dollar signs
question marks and very long lines of text were being printed.

If you are using DOS full screen application to print via menu dialog,
text is processed to fit to printer protocol by your DOS application.

If you did not configure lpr right, data is directly sent to printer.
UTF-8 character makes this situation worse because printer assumes asii
with some escape sequence as expected input.

I recommend you to use CUPS which set up printer eaily. If you have
problem with some UTF-8 chracters, you need to convert text with a2ps
etc. to ps file.

This is a grocery list with one item per line.

Please read following and CUPS documentation for more:

http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch06.en.html#_the_print_server_and_utility
http://www.cups.org/

Have you took time to read at least some of these?

Anyway, you really need to configure printer system.

There is no one line answer for it.

Osamu

The dos program that actually did the printing was nswp, I had the file
selected and hit the p key and everything worked. I have already read
about http://localhost:631/printers and spent upwards of an hour there
configuring things with lynx. I'll try sending the cat command output
through lpr and find out what happens next. Normally in dos after print
/d:lpt1 it's possible to type print filename if everything is working and
get everything printing.

--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: dot matrix printer unicode question

2009-08-01 Thread Roger Leigh

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 04:22:51PM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:
> Could unicode be the reason my Panasonic KX-p1123 printer prints
> garbage on sveral pages when I try printing out a 13 line long text
> file on Linux and that same file gets printed perfectly when done
> with a real dos computer?

Possibly.  However, it's more likely something else is going on.

> I have a printer queue set up which
> allows lpr and lp both to print garbage last time a sighted person
> took a look dollar signs question marks and very long lines of text
> were being printed.  This is a grocery list with one item per line.

Could you attach the file so we can take a look?

"file filename" will tell you the type of file you are looking at.
If it's not plain ASCII, that might be a clue.

DOS used codepages, which were character sets extending ASCII with
additional characters (symbols, accented characters etc.).  On
dot matrix printers, one would configure the printer character
codepage to match the codepage you used in DOS.  On the printer
side, these were configured using DIP switches on the back of the
printer, or in the printer's firmware using buttons on the front
panel.  Note that some had a switch to turn $ into # or # into £
etc., which might be a problem.

When you print using e.g. "cat file > /dev/lp0", the file will be
copied byte-for-byte to the printer.  No translation will occur.
When you printed from DOS, it's possible that the application
used to print did some translation.  "TYPE file > LPT1" or
"COPY file LPT1" will do exactly what the Linux cat command does,
so you can compare the two directly.

On DOS, the line endings are CRLF, while on Linux, they are LF only.
Most printers have a switch to control the line ending style.

If your
   printed text
   looks like
 this.

this is because your printer is expecting DOS format text, and is not
adding the "missing" CRs.

For CUPS, set the queue to "raw" to avoid any extra converson steps.

If on Linux the file is encoded in UTF-8 (Unicode), the printer
won't understand the extended characters and you will see garbage.
If you attach the file, we can see exactly what's being sent, and
what might be going wrong.

Regards,
Roger

-- 
  .''`.  Roger Leigh
 : :' :  Debian GNU/Linux http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/
 `. `'   Printing on GNU/Linux?   http://gutenprint.sourceforge.net/
   `-GPG Public Key: 0x25BFB848   Please GPG sign your mail.

signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Re: dot matrix printer unicode question

On Sat, 1 Aug 2009, Osamu Aoki wrote:

Hi,

Jude, relax and take your time to read and

It is recommended not to use top posting on Mailing list. (I reordered)

On Sat, 1 Aug 2009, Osamu Aoki wrote:

You are very unclear what you mean by "real dos computer".

On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 02:04:20AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:

So far, I understand but you did not answer the rest of the mail.

Are you doing:

debian $ cat somefile.txt |lpr

dos> cat somefile.txt > PRT:

or used some DOS full screen application to print via menu dialog.

(I forgot DOS device name for parport.)

This is important.

I have a printer queue set up which allows lpr and lp both to
print garbage last time a sighted person took a look dollar signs
question marks and very long lines of text were being printed.

If you are using DOS full screen application to print via menu dialog,
text is processed to fit to printer protocol by your DOS application.

If you did not configure lpr right, data is directly sent to printer.
UTF-8 character makes this situation worse because printer assumes asii
with some escape sequence as expected input.

I recommend you to use CUPS which set up printer eaily. If you have
problem with some UTF-8 chracters, you need to convert text with a2ps
etc. to ps file.

This is a grocery list with one item per line.

Please read following and CUPS documentation for more:

http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch06.en.html#_the_print_server_and_utility
http://www.cups.org/

Have you took time to read at least some of these?

Anyway, you really need to configure printer system.

There is no one line answer for it.

Osamu

I did a couple things by way of configuration. I used lynx
http://localhost:631/printers to set the KX-P1123 as the default device
and set my user account as an allowed user then I got out of there. Next
I tried cat biglots.txt | lpr and got about what sounded like six lines to
print. Next I tried cat biglots.txt | lp and got what sounded like 10
lines to print. A little later this weekend I'll find out what actually
printed out. This is getting interesting.

--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Mail transfer agent and Active Directory

On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 01:34:09PM +0200, pch0317 wrote:
> Hello
> I have 150 users in my network. I want to change MsExchange to open MTA.
> 
> 1. Is there any open MTA which cooperate with Active Directory or
> eDirectory? I don't want to create 150 user account. I would like to it
> still work even when Active Directory password change (password change
> every month).
> 
I played around a bit with Exim in an Active Directory environment.  It
worked in my limited testing.  I configured pam to authenticate to AD.
Once the machine was aware of the AD users, Exim worked seamlessly.  I
imagine the same would be true for all/most MTAs.

> 2. Is there any MTA which have integrated IMAP or POP server? If no,
> which IMAP or POP server choose.
> 
I'm not really qualified to recommend one, but I used dovecot and it worked
fine.  It was easy to set up, too.  I was using IMAPS exclusively.

This was all done on a Debian Etch server, authenticating to a Windows 2003
Active Directory server.  My mail was sent and received through a smarthost
at the parent company (where it was scanned for spam, then got appended to
it a huge privacy disclaimer against my will).

-Rob


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Linksys WUSB54GCv3

2009-08-01 Thread Eric Spreen

Hello all,

First of all, I'm not exactly a Linux guru, so please don't be too
harsh ;)

I have recently bought a wireless USB NIC: The Linksys by Cisco WUSB54GC
version 3. I would like to use it on a Debian system. I have found some
docs telling me that I should use the Ralink rt73usb driver, because it
is build upon the RT2501USB chipset. Other documents [1] told me it uses
the RT2800U chipset and that I should use the rt2870sta drivers instead.

I have tried both these drivers, following these [2][3] tutorials on the
Debian wiki. However, when I connect the USB adapter, iwconfig doesn't
show any other devices than my default lo and eth0 interfaces.
Therefore, I think the drivers are not loaded properly. (I have tried
loading the modules using modprobe) Does anybody have a solution to this
problem?

Greetings,
Eric Spreen

PS  When using the rt73usb module, I had kernel version 2.6.26-2-686.
When I tried the rt2870sta module, I installed version 2.6.29-bpo.2-686.
Furthermore I'm using a standard Lenny distribution, without a graphical
interface. (I'm planning to install LXDE, because I want a lightweight
GUI)

[1]
http://www.modem-help.co.uk/Linksys/WUSB54GC-v3-Wireless-G-Compact-USB-Adapter.html
[2] http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta
[3] http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Linksys WUSB54GCv3


On 2009-08-01 08:50, Eric Spreen wrote:

Hello all,

First of all, I'm not exactly a Linux guru, so please don't be too
harsh ;)


The proper attitude always helps.


I have recently bought a wireless USB NIC: The Linksys by Cisco WUSB54GC
version 3. I would like to use it on a Debian system. I have found some
docs telling me that I should use the Ralink rt73usb driver, because it
is build upon the RT2501USB chipset. Other documents [1] told me it uses
the RT2800U chipset and that I should use the rt2870sta drivers instead.


What's the output of lsusb, and "lsusb -vs XXX:YYY"?


I have tried both these drivers, following these [2][3] tutorials on the
Debian wiki. However, when I connect the USB adapter, iwconfig doesn't
show any other devices than my default lo and eth0 interfaces.
Therefore, I think the drivers are not loaded properly. (I have tried
loading the modules using modprobe) Does anybody have a solution to this
problem?

Greetings,
Eric Spreen

PS  When using the rt73usb module, I had kernel version 2.6.26-2-686.
When I tried the rt2870sta module, I installed version 2.6.29-bpo.2-686.
Furthermore I'm using a standard Lenny distribution, without a graphical
interface.


Excellent.


   (I'm planning to install LXDE, because I want a lightweight
GUI)

[1]
http://www.modem-help.co.uk/Linksys/WUSB54GC-v3-Wireless-G-Compact-USB-Adapter.html
[2] http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta
[3] http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73





--
Scooty Puff, Sr
The Doom-Bringer


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: What is the best setup to compute in the burning hot sun?


On 2009-08-01 08:31, Ian L. Target wrote:
[snip]

That is what the lawn is for.  ;)


Dud, I think your TMI alarm is broken.

--
Scooty Puff, Sr
The Doom-Bringer


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: compile error - missing X11 headers

2009-08-01 Thread Manoj Srivastava

On Sat, Aug 01 2009, Ron Johnson wrote:

> On 2009-08-01 02:49, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
>> After a rather lengthy break from compiling my own programs, I'm trying
>> to build fvwm, 
>
> Is the Debian repository too out-of-date?

Nope. We have the latest release, + changes cherry picked from
 the unreleased upstream repository.

>> but am getting an error message: "X11 libraries or header files could
>> not be found..."  Now that Debian is using Xorg, I'm at a loss as to
>> how to fix this.
>> Comments?
>
> For starters, do you have these installed?

Seems like the thing to do would be to look at the build depends
 from the Debian package.

manoj
-- 
"It's not just a computer -- it's your ass." Cal Keegan
Manoj Srivastava    
1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B  924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: ext4 stable enough to entrust it with data?

2009-08-01 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 01.07.09 21:59, lee wrote:
> Well, I could live with that. But I just went with ext4 for the new
> disks and made a new FS on /tmp to "convert" it to ext4. At some time
> I might convert /var to ext4.

Unless I needed a really big /tmp, I've been using /tmp on tmpfs for years
(mfs on FreeBSD, tmpfs on solaris, and ramdisk on linux before tmpfs became
available). It was much faster than anything else... no disk i/o involved if
I had enough of memory, and I added the disk space as swap if I needed a bit
more space.

Try tmpfs on /tmp if you don't work with huge files in /tmp.

-- 
Matus UHLAR - fantomas, uh...@fantomas.sk ; http://www.fantomas.sk/
Warning: I wish NOT to receive e-mail advertising to this address.
Varovanie: na tuto adresu chcem NEDOSTAVAT akukolvek reklamnu postu.
Due to unexpected conditions Windows 2000 will be released
in first quarter of year 1901

-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Musings on debian-user list

On Thu,30.Jul.09, 16:13:08, Ron Johnson wrote:

> >When's the last time you tried Xfce?
> 
> A long time, mainly because I've seen complaints about unfixed
> memory leaks.

$ uptime
 19:15:58 up 4 days, 10:47,  1 user,  load average: 0.20, 0.10, 0.09

$ free
 total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
Mem:   20609242028164  32760  0 1467241025884
-/+ buffers/cache: 861205368
Swap:  2018480   46322013848

Right now I have iceweasel, tux commander, pidgin, wicd and 6 urxvt + 1  
yeahconsole (running mutt, aptitude, ...) and various Xfce plugins 
(various monitors, weather and clock). This is Xfce 4.6, but didn't have 
any troubles with 4.4 either.

Regards,
Andrei
-- 
If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
(Albert Einstein)

signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Re: Linksys WUSB54GCv3

On Sat,01.Aug.09, 15:50:56, Eric Spreen wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> First of all, I'm not exactly a Linux guru, so please don't be too
> harsh ;)
 
Neither am I (a guru) ;)

> I have recently bought a wireless USB NIC: The Linksys by Cisco WUSB54GC
> version 3. I would like to use it on a Debian system. I have found some
> docs telling me that I should use the Ralink rt73usb driver, because it
> is build upon the RT2501USB chipset. Other documents [1] told me it uses
> the RT2800U chipset and that I should use the rt2870sta drivers instead.

Install the firmware-ralink package from non-free and the kernel should 
pick the right driver (if available) automagically.

Regards,
Andrei
-- 
If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
(Albert Einstein)


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Re: Mail transfer agent and Active Directory

2009-08-01 Thread Mihira Fernando

On Saturday 01 August 2009 05:04:09 pm pch0317 wrote:
> Hello
> I have 150 users in my network. I want to change MsExchange to open MTA.
>
> 1. Is there any open MTA which cooperate with Active Directory or
> eDirectory? I don't want to create 150 user account. I would like to it
> still work even when Active Directory password change (password change
> every month).
>
> 2. Is there any MTA which have integrated IMAP or POP server? If no,
> which IMAP or POP server choose.
>
> Thanks
Postfix with Postfix-ldap extensions on Debian works fine with AD.
So does Dovecot for pop3 and imap.


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: (nautilus:3241): Unique-DBus-WARNING **: Error while sending message: Did not receive a reply.

2009-08-01 Thread Rick Thomas


On Aug 1, 2009, at 5:28 AM, Leonardo Gaudino wrote:

I experience the same problem (only difference is nautilus:3645,  
whatever it means...). A pop-up message appears while loading the  
session showing that phrase. The strangest is that everything does  
work fine. This happens only at the first login: if i terminate the  
session and login again no errors pop up.


Debian testing, kernel 2.6.30-bpo.1-686, gnome 2.26.1

Leonardo




Check your ~/.xsession-errors file.  I have two machines that are  
having this problem.  On one, I get the same popup you do, but I get  
it every time I log in.  The other one, I don't get the popup, but it  
shows up in the .xsession-errors file instead.


Both of my machines are PowerPC Macs.  How about you?

And yes, everything seems to be working fine.

Very curious!


Rick


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

YO! PR: Coast 2 Coast Mixtapes Vol. 89 (Hosted By Red Cafe)

2009-08-01 Thread Yo! Promotions

Please contact me if you place any of the following information on your
site. Thank you for your time! 

COAST 2 COAST MIXTAPES VOL. 89
Hosted By Red Cafe

DOWNLOAD:
www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=dVlxcXluTWM1R04zZUE9PQ

TRACKLISTING:

1. Red Cafe ft. Ray Lavender - Them Lips
2. Fabolous ft. Drake - Throw It In The Bag (Remix)
3. Tone Trump - Wifey 
4. Warren G ft. Snoop Dogg - Swagger Rich
5. Crooked I - Rap Or Die
6. Nino Bless - Whatcha Know About Me
7. Red Cafe - Heart & Soul
8. Slaughterhouse - Cuckoo
9. Young Buck - Bury Me Alive
10. Y.G. - Glory
11. Reed Dollaz ft. N.O.R.E - Exit
12. St. Laz - Coast 2 Coast Weekly 21 
13. Nino Bless, Rhymefest, Skyzoo, Rass Cass & Scram Jones - Boom Bap Shit
14. Jay Rock ft. Ab Soul - Gunned Down
15. Indawin ft. The Outlawz - I'm A Leader
16. June ft. Akon - Stay Down
17. Black Eyed Peas - Boom Boom (Russ Castella Remix)
18. KONsept - Put Ya Handz Up
19. Rox - Get Up on That
20. Mizz - I'm Lethal
21. Bangazonly - The Twitter
22. KeyLo ft. Lil Bitt - What It Do
23. Talonted - Put Up My Life
24. Trav - Ride The Wave
25. Red Cafe - Outro

Re: Linksys WUSB54GCv3

2009-08-01 Thread Eric Spreen

> Install the firmware-ralink package from non-free and the kernel
> should 
> pick the right driver (if available) automagically.

Well, that's apparently the problem, because the kernel doesn't. Even if
I load the correct module (rt2870sta, that is) using modprobe, the
device doesn't work properly. I think firmware-ralink is not yet
compatible with version 3 of this device.

However, I have managed to get this thing working using ndiswrapper with
a slight modification. When using the version provided by Debian, you'll
get an error saying that a symbol is undefined
(MmGetSystemRoutineAddress). Dirk Schwendemann posted a remedy for this
on the ndiswrapper homepage [1]. Just add this in the source file
ntoskernel.c:


wstdcall void* WIN_FUNC(MmGetSystemRoutineAddress,1)
(struct unicode_string *name)
{
struct ansi_string ansi;
if (RtlUnicodeStringToAnsiString(&ansi, name, TRUE) ==
STATUS_SUCCESS) {
WARNING("MmGetSystemRoutineAddress: %s", ansi.buf);
RtlFreeAnsiString(&ansi);
}

Then build the module and load it, load the XP driver on the provided CD
and it should work. I hope I am helping somebody :)

Eric Spreen

[1]
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2639185&group_id=93482&atid=604453


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Linksys WUSB54GCv3

2009-08-01 Thread Sven Joachim

On 2009-08-01 20:13 +0200, Eric Spreen wrote:

>> Install the firmware-ralink package from non-free and the kernel
>> should 
>> pick the right driver (if available) automagically.
>
> Well, that's apparently the problem, because the kernel doesn't. Even if
> I load the correct module (rt2870sta, that is) using modprobe, the
> device doesn't work properly. I think firmware-ralink is not yet
> compatible with version 3 of this device.

Which version of firmware-ralink do you have?  RT2870 Firmware was added
to that package in version 0.17.

Sven


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: dot matrix printer unicode question

On Sat, 1 Aug 2009, Osamu Aoki wrote:

Hi,

Jude, relax and take your time to read and

It is recommended not to use top posting on Mailing list. (I reordered)

On Sat, 1 Aug 2009, Osamu Aoki wrote:

You are very unclear what you mean by "real dos computer".

On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 02:04:20AM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:

So far, I understand but you did not answer the rest of the mail.

Are you doing:

debian $ cat somefile.txt |lpr

dos> cat somefile.txt > PRT:

or used some DOS full screen application to print via menu dialog.

(I forgot DOS device name for parport.)

This is important.

I have a printer queue set up which allows lpr and lp both to
print garbage last time a sighted person took a look dollar signs
question marks and very long lines of text were being printed.

If you are using DOS full screen application to print via menu dialog,
text is processed to fit to printer protocol by your DOS application.

If you did not configure lpr right, data is directly sent to printer.
UTF-8 character makes this situation worse because printer assumes asii
with some escape sequence as expected input.

I recommend you to use CUPS which set up printer eaily. If you have
problem with some UTF-8 chracters, you need to convert text with a2ps
etc. to ps file.

This is a grocery list with one item per line.

Please read following and CUPS documentation for more:

http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch06.en.html#_the_print_server_and_utility
http://www.cups.org/

Have you took time to read at least some of these?

Anyway, you really need to configure printer system.

There is no one line answer for it.

Osamu

Okay, the results for cat biglots.txt | lpr and cat biglots.txt | lp are
that only parts of the ascii file is being printed. As an example 4
Smoked Clams, gets printed as 4 Smoked lms, these are like reading most
messages on the floor in nethack. I've been going through info a2ps and
found something that might be promising if I could get it working lp is
supposed to emulate a line printer but I don't know where or how to put
that in yet.

--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

sftp with chroot?

2009-08-01 Thread Eugene Apolinary

Hi

I want to make an sftp server

- Only an sftp server
- Some users may log in by ssh (with openssh-server), some users can only use 
sftp
- Important! - Chroot! Users using sftp must only see e.g.: their home 
directory, or better: a folder in it.
- Under Debian Lenny

Is there any good, secure solution? At least links to howtos? :S

Thank You!

Re: sftp with chroot?

2009-08-01 Thread Josh Kelley

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Eugene
Apolinary wrote:
> - Only an sftp server
> - Some users may log in by ssh (with openssh-server), some users can only
> use sftp
> - Important! - Chroot! Users using sftp must only see e.g.: their home
> directory, or better: a folder in it.
> - Under Debian Lenny
>
> Is there any good, secure solution? At least links to howtos? :S

I've used rssh to do this:
http://packages.debian.org/lenny/rssh
http://www.pizzashack.org/rssh/

Note, however, that setting up a chroot jail generally requires making
copies of system libraries and binaries in the chroot'ed directory, so
you may not want to go to the effort and clutter of setting this up in
each user's home directory.  (The rssh package includes more details.)

Josh Kelley

-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: java-gcj installation bug

2009-08-01 Thread Fred

On Sunday 12 July 2009 16:16:07 David Baron wrote:
> Setting up java-gcj-compat-headless (1.0.80-5.1) ...
> update-alternatives: error: alternative rmiregistry can't be master: it is
> a slave of java
> dpkg: error processing java-gcj-compat-headless (--configure):
>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 2
>
> Anyone fixed this?

Hi David,

To let you know that I managed to fix this issue.

I installed default-jre package and I purge all packages containing gcj/gij in 
their name.

By doing this, I got openjdk 1.6 installed by default which is fine for me and 
this solved the issue.

Now, I didn't tell there are no bugs in the java package dependencies or in 
the configuration of update-alternative for these packages.

Well... I'm happy with this fix :)

Hope this helps,

Cheers,

Fred.

signature.asc
Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

Re: dot matrix printer unicode question






On Sat, 1 Aug 2009, Roger Leigh wrote:


On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 04:22:51PM -0400, Jude DaShiell wrote:

Could unicode be the reason my Panasonic KX-p1123 printer prints
garbage on sveral pages when I try printing out a 13 line long text
file on Linux and that same file gets printed perfectly when done
with a real dos computer?


Possibly.  However, it's more likely something else is going on.


I have a printer queue set up which
allows lpr and lp both to print garbage last time a sighted person
took a look dollar signs question marks and very long lines of text
were being printed.  This is a grocery list with one item per line.


Could you attach the file so we can take a look?

"file filename" will tell you the type of file you are looking at.
If it's not plain ASCII, that might be a clue.

DOS used codepages, which were character sets extending ASCII with
additional characters (symbols, accented characters etc.).  On
dot matrix printers, one would configure the printer character
codepage to match the codepage you used in DOS.  On the printer
side, these were configured using DIP switches on the back of the
printer, or in the printer's firmware using buttons on the front
panel.  Note that some had a switch to turn $ into # or # into ?
etc., which might be a problem.

When you print using e.g. "cat file > /dev/lp0", the file will be
copied byte-for-byte to the printer.  No translation will occur.
When you printed from DOS, it's possible that the application
used to print did some translation.  "TYPE file > LPT1" or
"COPY file LPT1" will do exactly what the Linux cat command does,
so you can compare the two directly.

On DOS, the line endings are CRLF, while on Linux, they are LF only.
Most printers have a switch to control the line ending style.


If your
  printed text
  looks like
this.

this is because your printer is expecting DOS format text, and is not
adding the "missing" CRs.

For CUPS, set the queue to "raw" to avoid any extra converson steps.

If on Linux the file is encoded in UTF-8 (Unicode), the printer
won't understand the extended characters and you will see garbage.
If you attach the file, we can see exactly what's being sent, and
what might be going wrong.


Regards,
Roger

--
 .''`.  Roger Leigh
: :' :  Debian GNU/Linux http://people.debian.org/~rleigh/
`. `'   Printing on GNU/Linux?   http://gutenprint.sourceforge.net/
  `-GPG Public Key: 0x25BFB848   Please GPG sign your mail.


Cut here.
2 mustard,
2 olives,
4 chili,
nuts,
2 sauer kraut,
2 crackers,
toilet paper,
paper towels,
4 chunk pineapple,
4 mandarin oranges,
4 corned beef hash,
4 creamed corn,
4 smoked clams

Cut here.


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Installing via NFS - I think?

2009-08-01 Thread AG


Hi all

I'm happy to follow up with the relevant reading, but I want some help 
in defining the question so that I know what it is that I am looking at:


I have an old laptop that runs Slackware 10.1 and its CD-R is kaput, and 
Slackware 10.1 was not, at the time that I ran it, configured for USBs.  
I can access the laptop via fish.


I want to install Debian on the laptop but it looks like the only way 
into that machine is via an eth0, but how would I do that?  Do I load 
Debian via fish (or something more appropriate) and then boot up into it?


Anyway, if someone can point me in the direction of docs that concern 
what I am looking for, that would be great.


Thanks

AG


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: mutt: compose message in new window [was: Re: Musings on debian-user list]

2009-08-01 Thread Chris Jones

On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 04:39:10AM EDT, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Wed,29.Jul.09, 18:47:55, Chris Jones wrote:
>  
> > The only thing I find "frustrating" about mutt is that it is impossible
> > to view more than one message at a time - you actually have to fire up a
> > second instance of mutt to achieve this. 
> 
> The only time I *really* needed this is at compose time. 

Sorry for being sloppy, that's what I meant.

> I searched the web for a solution and the only thing that comes close
> is the solution in this thread
> 
> http://does-not-exist.org/mail-archives/mutt-users/msg14344.html

The mutt-user archive seems to be broken - if you display this message
and try to display the thread index, it does display an index but there
is no trace of this particular thread, which makes the ensuing
discussion difficult to follow.. 

So, I'm not sure I understand the solution & how it improves on:

  → :sh while composing in vim 
  → start new instance of mutt 
  → do what you have to do - e.g. copy parts of messages 
  → 'q'+'Ctrl-D' to return to composing 

[..]

CJ

--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Installing via NFS - I think?

2009-08-01 Thread Neal Hogan

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 2:37 PM, AG wrote:
> Hi all
>
> I'm happy to follow up with the relevant reading, but I want some help in
> defining the question so that I know what it is that I am looking at:
>
> I have an old laptop that runs Slackware 10.1 and its CD-R is kaput, and
> Slackware 10.1 was not, at the time that I ran it, configured for USBs.  I
> can access the laptop via fish.
>
> I want to install Debian on the laptop but it looks like the only way into
> that machine is via an eth0, but how would I do that?  Do I load Debian via
> fish (or something more appropriate) and then boot up into it?
>
> Anyway, if someone can point me in the direction of docs that concern what I
> am looking for, that would be great.

http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst

yes?

>
> Thanks
>
> AG
>
>
> --
> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject
> of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
>
>


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: sftp with chroot?

2009-08-01 Thread Eugene Apolinary

I'm trying

#!/bin/bash

apt-get install scponly
dpkg-reconfigure scponly # Select: Yes
cd /usr/share/doc/scponly/setup_chroot
gunzip setup_chroot.sh.gz
sh setup_chroot.sh # Just use default settings



Ok, now I:

echo "">/var/log/auth.log

Then try to log in:

sftp scpo...@localhost

Connection closed.

log:
http://pastebin.com/fbc34c01

Why doesn't it work???

p.s.: Yes, I copy the sftpd-server to /home/scponly/usr/lib/sftpd-server

is it a bug? :(

--- On Sat, 8/1/09, Eugene Apolinary  wrote:

From: Eugene Apolinary 
Subject: sftp with chroot?
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Date: Saturday, August 1, 2009, 6:50 PM

Hi

I want to make an sftp server

- Only an sftp server
- Some users may log in by ssh (with openssh-server), some users can only use 
sftp
- Important! - Chroot! Users using sftp must only see e.g.: their home 
directory, or better: a folder in it.
- Under Debian Lenny

Is there any good, secure solution? At least links to howtos? :S

Thank You!

kdebluetooth4 in Debian squeeze

2009-08-01 Thread mertress


Hi!

Is there anybody with working kdebluetooth4 on Debian squeeze?

I tried to build from kdebluetooth4-0.3 release tarball from 
http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/kdebluetooth4?content=84761but had 
build errors.


Then I tryed to download from svn. That needs  libknotificationitem-1, 
so I installed it from experimental.  But after all there were other 
build errors due to significant code change in packages.


Does anybody knows specific package versions or something else to make 
it work?


My package versions:
kdebluetooth4 from svn 1 august 2009
libknotificationitem-1-1   4:4.2.95-svn99103
kdebase-workspace-dev   4:4.2.4-1+b1


Thanks


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: mutt: compose message in new window [was: Re: Musings on debian-user list]

On Sat,01.Aug.09, 16:06:08, Chris Jones wrote:

> > http://does-not-exist.org/mail-archives/mutt-users/msg14344.html
> 
> The mutt-user archive seems to be broken - if you display this message
> and try to display the thread index, it does display an index but there
> is no trace of this particular thread, which makes the ensuing
> discussion difficult to follow.. 

You can use the "Next by thread" link.

> So, I'm not sure I understand the solution & how it improves on:
> 
>   → :sh while composing in vim 
>   → start new instance of mutt 
>   → do what you have to do - e.g. copy parts of messages 
>   → 'q'+'Ctrl-D' to return to composing 

The proposed solution involves the script[1]:

,[ external-reply.sh ]
| #!/bin/sh
| DRAFT="$1"
| cp "$DRAFT" "$DRAFT.tmp"
| (
| xterm -e "exec mutt -H \"$DRAFT.tmp\""
| sleep 1
| rm -f "$DRAFT.tmp"
| ) &
|
| exit 0
`

which you set as your editor (set editor="external-reply.sh"). Now 
whenever you compose a message it opens in a new xterm and you can use 
the first mutt to do whatever you want.

The only trouble with it is that the second mutt prompts for "To:" and 
"Subject:". There's a hint in the thread about using a macro to work 
around it, but I don't have any idea where to start.

[1] In order to debianize "xterm -e" should be replaced with 
"x-terminal-emulator -e sh -c".

Regards,
Andrei
-- 
If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
(Albert Einstein)

signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

radeon tv-out (RV505)

2009-08-01 Thread Jonas Meurer

hello,

i tried to get the tv-out working for my radeon X1550 64-bit graphics
controller, but so far i failed.

xrandr lists the S-video output and even detects it as connected when
X is started with the option ATOMTVOut set to true for the radeon video
driver. but i don't see anything on the tv screen.

when i try to set the mode for S-video with 'xrandr --output S-video
--mode 800x600', nothing happens on the tv screen (still no image at
all), but instead the main computer screen gets screwed up. everything
looks blurred or smudged, i don't know how to describe it in english.

so i wonder if anyone got the tv-out working with a radeon RV505 chip
and the free radeon video driver.

my system is up-to-date debian/unstable amd64.

greetings,
 jonas


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: approx: infinite loop during update, importing

2009-08-01 Thread whollygoat

On Wed, 29 Jul 2009 10:53 +, "Sylvain Le Gall" 
wrote:
> On 29-07-2009, whollyg...@letterboxes.org 
> wrote:
> > On Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:09 +, "Sylvain Le Gall" 
> > wrote:
> >> On 28-07-2009, whollyg...@letterboxes.org 
> >> wrote:
> >> > I've two questions re approx version 3.3.0 on 
> >> > lenny i386.  The first is, anybody else get
> >> > caught in an infinite loop updating the Packages
> >> > files?  I've tried from localhost and a remote
> >> > machine.  On both machines, running "aptitude
> >> > update" causes the Packages file to start 
> >> > downloading (you can watch it grow with repeated
> >> > "find /var/cache/approx -type -f -ls"), then
> >> > after awhile the file disappears, and a few
> >> > seconds later appears once more continuing
> >> > to grow until it disappears again.  In short, it
> >> > ain't working for me.
> >> >
> >> 
> >> Using approx since three years, never seen such a behavior.
> >> 
> >> - you can download from the machine hosting approx the Package file,
> >>   from internet without problem (e.g. using curl).
> >
> > If I switch /etc/apt/sources.list back to pointing directly to
> > a debian mirror, the file downloads just fine.  This is true
> > both from an remote machine, and from the machine on which I
> > am trying to build the approx package proxy.  It is only
> > when the sources.list files (on the remote machine, or on
> > the machine hosting the approx repository) that the weird
> > incomplete download loop happens.
> >
> 
> You can try using "curl http://.../Packages..."; from the machine
> hosting approx, even if it sounds weird it can give you hints on what is
> happening (I say curl because approx use curl). If the problem is at the
> download level, there is probably a problem with curl from this specific
> computer. The same problem can disappear using apt/wget/iceweasel/...
> from the same machine. 

Sorry, this got put on the back burner for a couple 
of days. Things seem to have worked themselves out 
on the server itself (lenny).  I tried running curl 
on the cl. That worked, so I tried aptitude update 
with sources.list pointing to the localhost approx 
proxy.  Don't understand why, but it is working.

The problem persists from a remote client (a squeeze box),
though.  Packages file downloads variously to between 4 & 
6 per cent, then the download stalls for a minute or two.  
The partially downloaded file then disappears and returns 
as a zero length file which then downloads to between 4 & 6 per cent ...

> 
> Another point is to look at the log in /var/log/* to see what happens
> when the problem appears. You will probably find there some valuable
> information (error messages...).

And you were right:

approx: Nethttpd: Uncaught exception:
Nethttpd_types.Standard_response(-358247754, 0, 0)

appears over and over again in /var/log/syslog when the remote
clients chokes and starts the download over.  Googling that only
turned up one bug report that seems to my naive eye to not
be a related problem, and anyway, was fixed in approx 3.3.0 
which is what I am running.

Does the nethttpd error mean anything to anyone?


willy
-- 
  
  whollyg...@letterboxes.org

-- 
http://www.fastmail.fm - A fast, anti-spam email service.


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: approx: infinite loop during update, importing

2009-08-01 Thread Sylvain Le Gall

In gmane.linux.debian.user, you wrote:
>> >
>> 
>> You can try using "curl http://.../Packages..."; from the machine
>> hosting approx, even if it sounds weird it can give you hints on what is
>> happening (I say curl because approx use curl). If the problem is at the
>> download level, there is probably a problem with curl from this specific
>> computer. The same problem can disappear using apt/wget/iceweasel/...
>> from the same machine. 
>
> Sorry, this got put on the back burner for a couple 
> of days. Things seem to have worked themselves out 
> on the server itself (lenny).  I tried running curl 
> on the cl. That worked, so I tried aptitude update 
> with sources.list pointing to the localhost approx 
> proxy.  Don't understand why, but it is working.
>
> The problem persists from a remote client (a squeeze box),
> though.  Packages file downloads variously to between 4 & 
> 6 per cent, then the download stalls for a minute or two.  
> The partially downloaded file then disappears and returns 
> as a zero length file which then downloads to between 4 & 6 per cent ...
>
>> 
>> Another point is to look at the log in /var/log/* to see what happens
>> when the problem appears. You will probably find there some valuable
>> information (error messages...).
>
> And you were right:
>
> approx: Nethttpd: Uncaught exception:
> Nethttpd_types.Standard_response(-358247754, 0, 0)
>
> appears over and over again in /var/log/syslog when the remote
> clients chokes and starts the download over.  Googling that only
> turned up one bug report that seems to my naive eye to not
> be a related problem, and anyway, was fixed in approx 3.3.0 
> which is what I am running.
>
> Does the nethttpd error mean anything to anyone?

Nethttpd server is probably not complete enough to answer specific
option used by aptitude... 

Can you try a simple "apt-get update" or "curl
http://host:port/.../Packages"; from the squeeze box (where host/port
match approx host/port).

Regards,
Sylvain Le Gall



-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: What is the best setup to compute in the burning hot sun?

2009-08-01 Thread s. keeling

Ron Johnson :
>  On 2009-08-01 08:31, Ian L. Target wrote:
>  [snip]
> > That is what the lawn is for.  ;)
> 
>  Dud, I think your TMI alarm is broken.

Three Mile Island alarm?!?


-- 
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
(*)http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html  Linux Counter #80292
- -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me.


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: mutt: compose message in new window [was: Re: Musings on debian-user list]

2009-08-01 Thread Chris Jones

On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 06:13:31PM EDT, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Sat,01.Aug.09, 16:06:08, Chris Jones wrote:
>  
> > > http://does-not-exist.org/mail-archives/mutt-users/msg14344.html
> > 
> > The mutt-user archive seems to be broken - if you display this message
> > and try to display the thread index, it does display an index but there
> > is no trace of this particular thread, which makes the ensuing
> > discussion difficult to follow.. 
>  
> You can use the "Next by thread" link.

What I did.. but you don't know who posted what.. and when you have to
go through 4-5 useless posts before you get to the one that has useful
content.. 

But I was just being sarcastic at the mutt folks of all people not being
able to manage their mailing list's archives correctly :-)

> > So, I'm not sure I understand the solution & how it improves on:
> > 
> >   → :sh while composing in vim 
> >   → start new instance of mutt 
> >   → do what you have to do - e.g. copy parts of messages 
> >   → 'q'+'Ctrl-D' to return to composing 
> 
> The proposed solution involves the script[1]:
> 
> ,[ external-reply.sh ]
> | #!/bin/sh
> | DRAFT="$1"
> | cp "$DRAFT" "$DRAFT.tmp"
> | (
> | xterm -e "exec mutt -H \"$DRAFT.tmp\""
> | sleep 1
> | rm -f "$DRAFT.tmp"
> | ) &
> |
> | exit 0
> `
> 
> which you set as your editor (set editor="external-reply.sh"). Now 
> whenever you compose a message it opens in a new xterm and you can use 
> the first mutt to do whatever you want.

Thanks for clarifying..!

I got this to work for me under gnu screen - I only needed to replace
the xterm invocation by:

  screen -X screen mutt -H "$DRAFT.tmp" 

and mutt+vim is launched in a newly created screen "window". I was then
able to split the screen and cause the original mutt session to inhabit
the new window. 

I haven't looked into it, but I'm confident I could cause screen to
split the screen automatically and present you with both instances of
mutt - the original one and the one that's launching the editor.

Thus fairly transparently emulating the missing feature.

> The only trouble with it is that the second mutt prompts for "To:" and 
> "Subject:". There's a hint in the thread about using a macro to work 
> around it, but I don't have any idea where to start.

In my setup, I am requested to confirm the "To:" with the correct value
already filled in .. so I only need to hit enter.. and then I'm prompted
for "Cc:" .. with nothing filled in.. and since I'm not Cc'ing anybody I
hit enter again. But I am not prompted for the "Subject:" field. So, in
my case, it's just a matter of hitting  twice. There should be a
way to cause mutt to send those two enter's automatically..  but I don't
know how. 

Also, I noticed that if I postpone a message, and retrieve it later.. I
am asked for the exact same fields.. so the differing behaviors must
have something to do with our different setups.

Your best bet if you can't figure it out would be to post to the mutt
list (mutt-user, I believe) since there are few mutt experts out there
who would (1) flame you for not reading the famous manual, and (2) not
resist the temptation to demonstrate that _they_ have read it many times
and provide you with a solution.

Thanks again for taking the trouble to explain.

CJ

-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: mutt: compose message in new window [was: Re: Musings on debian-user list]

2009-08-01 Thread Chris Jones

On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 06:13:31PM EDT, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Sat,01.Aug.09, 16:06:08, Chris Jones wrote:
>  
> > > http://does-not-exist.org/mail-archives/mutt-users/msg14344.html
> > 
> > The mutt-user archive seems to be broken - if you display this message
> > and try to display the thread index, it does display an index but there
> > is no trace of this particular thread, which makes the ensuing
> > discussion difficult to follow.. 
>  
> You can use the "Next by thread" link.

What I did.. but you don't know who posted what.. and when you have to
go through 4-5 useless posts before you get to the one that has serious
content.

> > So, I'm not sure I understand the solution & how it improves on:
> > 
> >   → :sh while composing in vim 
> >   → start new instance of mutt 
> >   → do what you have to do - e.g. copy parts of messages 
> >   → 'q'+'Ctrl-D' to return to composing 
> 
> The proposed solution involves the script[1]:
> 
> ,[ external-reply.sh ]
> | #!/bin/sh
> | DRAFT="$1"
> | cp "$DRAFT" "$DRAFT.tmp"
> | (
> | xterm -e "exec mutt -H \"$DRAFT.tmp\""
> | sleep 1
> | rm -f "$DRAFT.tmp"
> | ) &
> |
> | exit 0
> `
> 
> which you set as your editor (set editor="external-reply.sh"). Now 
> whenever you compose a message it opens in a new xterm and you can use 
> the first mutt to do whatever you want.

Thanks for clarifying..!

I got this to work for me under gnu screen - you just need to replace
the xterm invocation by:

screen -X screen mutt -H "$DRAFT.tmp" 

and mutt+vim is launched in a newly created screen "window". You can
then split the screen and cause the original mutt session to inhabit the
new window. 

> The only trouble with it is that the second mutt prompts for "To:" and 
> "Subject:". There's a hint in the thread about using a macro to work 
> around it, but I don't have any idea where to start.

In my case, it's just a matter of hitting  twice because "To:", 

Thanks much for clarifying. 
> 
> [1] In order to debianize "xterm -e" should be replaced with 
> "x-terminal-emulator -e sh -c".
> 
> Regards,
> Andrei
> -- 
> If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
> (Albert Einstein)



-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Xfce (was Re: Musings on debian-user list)


On 2009-08-01 11:23, Andrei Popescu wrote:

On Thu,30.Jul.09, 16:13:08, Ron Johnson wrote:


When's the last time you tried Xfce?

A long time, mainly because I've seen complaints about unfixed
memory leaks.


$ uptime
 19:15:58 up 4 days, 10:47,  1 user,  load average: 0.20, 0.10, 0.09

$ free
 total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
Mem:   20609242028164  32760  0 1467241025884
-/+ buffers/cache: 861205368
Swap:  2018480   46322013848

Right now I have iceweasel, tux commander, pidgin, wicd and 6 urxvt + 1  
yeahconsole (running mutt, aptitude, ...) and various Xfce plugins 
(various monitors, weather and clock). This is Xfce 4.6, but didn't have 
any troubles with 4.4 either.


Then I'll try it before I try fvwm...

Does xfce yet have a gnome-like panel with applets?  (The CDE-like 
app-launcher just doesn't cut it for me.)


--
Scooty Puff, Sr
The Doom-Bringer


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: mutt: compose message in new window [was: Re: Musings on debian-user list]


On 2009-08-01 17:13, Andrei Popescu wrote:

On Sat,01.Aug.09, 16:06:08, Chris Jones wrote:
 

http://does-not-exist.org/mail-archives/mutt-users/msg14344.html

The mutt-user archive seems to be broken - if you display this message
and try to display the thread index, it does display an index but there
is no trace of this particular thread, which makes the ensuing
discussion difficult to follow.. 
 
You can use the "Next by thread" link.



So, I'm not sure I understand the solution & how it improves on:

  → :sh while composing in vim 
  → start new instance of mutt 
  → do what you have to do - e.g. copy parts of messages 
  → 'q'+'Ctrl-D' to return to composing 


The proposed solution involves the script[1]:

,[ external-reply.sh ]
| #!/bin/sh
| DRAFT="$1"
| cp "$DRAFT" "$DRAFT.tmp"
| (
| xterm -e "exec mutt -H \"$DRAFT.tmp\""
| sleep 1
| rm -f "$DRAFT.tmp"
| ) &
|
| exit 0
`

which you set as your editor (set editor="external-reply.sh"). Now 
whenever you compose a message it opens in a new xterm and you can use 
the first mutt to do whatever you want.


The only trouble with it is that the second mutt prompts for "To:" and 
"Subject:". There's a hint in the thread about using a macro to work 
around it, but I don't have any idea where to start.


[1] In order to debianize "xterm -e" should be replaced with 
"x-terminal-emulator -e sh -c".


Blech.  What a royal PITA!

--
Scooty Puff, Sr
The Doom-Bringer


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: mutt: compose message in new window [was: Re: Musings on debian-user list]

2009-08-01 Thread Vincent Lefevre

On 2009-08-02 01:13:31 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> The proposed solution involves the script[1]:
> 
> ,[ external-reply.sh ]
> | #!/bin/sh
> | DRAFT="$1"
> | cp "$DRAFT" "$DRAFT.tmp"
> | (
> | xterm -e "exec mutt -H \"$DRAFT.tmp\""
> | sleep 1
> | rm -f "$DRAFT.tmp"
> | ) &
> |
> | exit 0
> `
> 
> which you set as your editor (set editor="external-reply.sh"). Now 
> whenever you compose a message it opens in a new xterm and you can use 
> the first mutt to do whatever you want.

That won't set the "replied" flag (even though this may not be very
important).

-- 
Vincent Lefèvre  - Web: 
100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: 
Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / Arenaire project (LIP, ENS-Lyon)


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Installing openjdk6 package on ARM embedded system

2009-08-01 Thread fred basset

Hi All,

I have an ARM based single board PC running Debian etch, the default
configuration supplied by the manufacturer.
I want to try running the OpenJDK6 JRE package on this board.  I did a
search for this package at
packages.debian.org and it stated I could download it from

deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security lenny/updates main

So is installing this package as easy as adding the above to my
sources.list then doing an apt-get install?
I am worried that the fact it's a lenny package may cause
compatibility problems with the etch system I'm running.

Thanks,
Fred


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Back up routines

On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 06:48:17PM +0100, AG wrote:
> Generally I have relied on the separate partitioning of my /home  
> directory as some measure of protection against hosing my system through  
> pebkac-type activities, but this is not necessarily the most reliable of  
> options and certainly won't help in the case of a catastrophic 
> HDD-failure.
>
> Thus, can I please have a few recommendations for a backup routine that  
> is safe for dummies (i.e. me) and is low maintenance that I can just  
> leave to run according to a cron job once (or twice) a week?  It would  
> be backing up to my former IDE HDD (now in an enclosure) via an USB.  It  
> would be best if the application was able to tell what has changed  
> between backup sessions to back up only that which is new, but perhaps  
> that is the default anyway.
>
> Any recommendations please?
>
I've used BackupPC extensively, and I find it to be excellent.  I've used
it at home and in a business, backing up both Linux and Windows machines.

At home I backup up my stuff locally, and back up my parents' and sister's
computers remotely over the internet (using rsync over ssh).  My father
also has BackupPC running, and he backs up his stuff locally and mine
remotely.  Why bother backing up locally if it's backed up remotely?
Because it's much quicker to restore from a local backup.

At work I was backing up in a similar fashion, one office in the US and one
in the UK.  I had a real emergency once:  11 GB of data got accidentally
deleted from a file server.  I had it restored in 15 minutes.

BackupPC isn't simple, but it's not terribly difficult.  It just requires
reading some docs.  

Advantages:  

Backups are automatic -- no human intervention required once it's
configured.
Backups can be done remotely, over the internet.
Your data is controlled by *you*, not a 3rd party.
Files are pooled and compressed, so when backing up the same file multiple
times, the file is only stored once.

Disadvantages:

?
There probably are some, but I haven't experienced anything major in 2-3
years of using it.

-Rob

-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Installing openjdk6 package on ARM embedded system


On 2009-08-01 20:09, fred basset wrote:

Hi All,

I have an ARM based single board PC running Debian etch, the default
configuration supplied by the manufacturer.
I want to try running the OpenJDK6 JRE package on this board.  I did a
search for this package at
packages.debian.org and it stated I could download it from

deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security lenny/updates main

So is installing this package as easy as adding the above to my
sources.list then doing an apt-get install?
I am worried that the fact it's a lenny package may cause
compatibility problems with the etch system I'm running.


It will want to pull in (lots of?) Lenny dependencies, probably 
including libc6.


Does the manufacturer specifically say that Lenny won't work, or 
that they will only support Etch?  Otherwise, I'd strongly think 
about upgrading to Lenny.


--
Scooty Puff, Sr
The Doom-Bringer


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Safest maintenance of a sid system

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 07:45:43AM +0100, AG wrote:
> Hi
>
> Having recently upgraded to sid, I want to try to ensure that I am able  
> to maintain a more or less stable system under those circumstances and  
> in the full knowledge that, by definition, sid is unstable and may be  
> subject to breakages.
>
> With this in mind, what do the more experienced sid users do in terms of  
> the daily updates of packages that come through - for example - the  
> Update Notification?  I know that sidux users rely on some scripts -  
> sxmi and sgfi (??) I think - but I wonder if that is what native sid  
> users rely on or do you have your own recipes for maintaining reasonable  
> stability?  For example, the use of scripts such as those from sidux, or  
> not doing a daily system update or ... ?
>
The Sidux distro advertises itself as a sort of "safer" sid.  I tried it out 
once, but never really used it much.  Anybody on the list have any opinions on 
it?

-Rob


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: (nautilus:3241): Unique-DBus-WARNING **: Error while sending message: Did not receive a reply.

2009-08-01 Thread Jack Schneider

On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 13:21:33 -0400
Rick Thomas  wrote:

> On Aug 1, 2009, at 5:28 AM, Leonardo Gaudino wrote:
> 
> > I experience the same problem (only difference is nautilus:3645,  
> > whatever it means...). A pop-up message appears while loading the  
> > session showing that phrase. The strangest is that everything does  
> > work fine. This happens only at the first login: if i terminate
> > the session and login again no errors pop up.
> >
> > Debian testing, kernel 2.6.30-bpo.1-686, gnome 2.26.1
> >
> > Leonardo
> 
> 
> 
> Check your ~/.xsession-errors file.  I have two machines that are  
> having this problem.  On one, I get the same popup you do, but I get  
> it every time I log in.  The other one, I don't get the popup, but
> it shows up in the .xsession-errors file instead.
> 
> Both of my machines are PowerPC Macs.  How about you?
> 
> And yes, everything seems to be working fine.
> 
> Very curious!
> 
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
Me Too!!! only different:  8-(

This is on my desktop at startup:

There was an error starting the GNOME Settings Daemon
Some things, such as themes, sounds, or background settings may not work 
correctly.

The last error message was:

Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did 
not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply 
timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.

GNOME will still try to restart the Settings Daemon next time you log
in.

Looks somthing like a dbus like error..

Keep me informed...
Nothing else seems broken..

Jack
-- 

-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

vim linebreaks in Mutt

What's the proper setting to get good line breaks in Mutt (using vim),
without manually hitting the enter key?  (So that this paragraph, for
instance, is not one long line of text, but rather several shorter lines of
text).

I currently have this in .muttrc:

set editor="vim -c 'set wrapmargin=5'"

This breaks my lines 5 characters from the right of my terminal.  Problem
is, that varies depending on how large my xterm is at the time I'm
composing the email.  I often toggle to fullscreen, and that makes my lines
get much longer.

Sorry if this is off-topic, but I've noticed there are at least a couple
Mutt users on the list.

-Rob


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Reason to not upgrade to 5.0 - was Re: Problem with Debian 4.0 security

2009-08-01 Thread Bret Busby


On Sat, 1 Aug 2009, Sven Joachim wrote:



On 2009-08-01 12:33 +0200, Bret Busby wrote:


Actually, in today reconsidering upgrading to Debian 5.0, and, reading
the information on the Debian web site, and, in checking using the
package search facility on the Debian web site, I have found that
Debian 5.0 excludes Iceape and Seamonkey, and does not include any
Mozilla applications, so, with the elimination of Iceape/Seamonkey,
Debian 5.0 is simply not as functional, or, as useful to me, as Debian
4.0.


It is true that Iceape/Seamonkey are not included, but that does not
hold for other Mozilla applications.  And running the Iceape version in
Debian 4.0 is a _big_ security problem, so that is no reason to stay at
4.0 (it may be a reason to switch to another distribution instead).

If you want to have that particular application, your best bet is to
download either Seamonkey 1.17 or 2.0b1 directly from
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/.  Both versions should run out of the
box on Debian 5.0.

Sven


When I searched for mozilla applications, using the package search 
engine on the Debian web site, the result returned, was not found.


The problem with downloading the applications from seamonkey, is that 
they are .tar.gz files, rather than .deb packages, and my experience 
with using .tar.gz files for installing software, rather than .deb 
packages, is that the .tar.gz files are messy to install, and the 
effects horrendous.


Perhaps, it would be better, as you advise, to switch to another 
distribution.


I also found that, from what I understand, Debian 5.0 requires java, in 
much the same way as (and with far greater system vulnerability than)

MS Windows has been requiring Internet Explorer.

I guess that Debian is no longer the solid, reliable OS, that it used to 
be.


On my laptop, I primarily run Ubuntu 8.04 (when I installed it, it dealt 
with the laptop, better than Debian 4.0), and I have even managed to 
get rid of the yukky brown background colour, and replace it with a 
much nicer, pale blue background.


But, Ubuntu has two significant failings - its uses its awful lack of 
system security, where it gives users superuser privilege, and does not 
automatically incorporate a separate root account, to which superuser 
privilege is limited, and, it uses an unwieldy means of identifying 
partitions, making modifying the fstab and mounting partitions, 
somewhat traumatic, instead of simply using the hda  or /dev 
identifier, which would make system administration, much more efficient.


I guess that sometime soon, I will just have to "bite the bullet", and 
switch to FreeBSD, once I can come to terms with the slicing up the hard 
drive, rather than using partitions. The difficulty and complexity of 
using slices, rather than partitions, is unfortunate, as I have a 
partition into which I could install another operating system, such as 
BSD, on my laptop, to evaluate it, but the slicing up the hard drive, 
makes it a bit too complicated, at present, and, prevents me from using 
my free partition, to install FreeBSD.


In the meantime, I just have to continue using Ubuntu 8.04 on my 
laptop, and, Debian 4.0 on my desktop, and reboot into Ubuntu 8.04 on my 
desktop system, when I need to print documents from the desktop system.


--
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
..

"So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
  Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
  "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
  A Trilogy In Four Parts",
  written by Douglas Adams,
  published by Pan Books, 1992




--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Reason to not upgrade to 5.0 - was Re: Problem with Debian 4.0 security

2009-08-01 Thread Brian Marshall

On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 10:00:44AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> The problem with downloading the applications from seamonkey, is
> that they are .tar.gz files, rather than .deb packages, and my
> experience with using .tar.gz files for installing software, rather
> than .deb packages, is that the .tar.gz files are messy to install,
> and the effects horrendous.

Actually, the tarballs from Mozilla aren't source, so they don't
require installation. You can run the firefox/seamonkey/whatever binary
from the directory you extracted it to.

> I also found that, from what I understand, Debian 5.0 requires java,
> in much the same way as (and with far greater system vulnerability
> than)
> MS Windows has been requiring Internet Explorer.

This is certainly not true. Java is in the non-free repository, which
would make it impossible to include in the default distribution. Debian
doesn't really require anything, anyway - you don't even need X.

> superuser privilege is limited, and, it uses an unwieldy means of
> identifying partitions, making modifying the fstab and mounting
> partitions, somewhat traumatic, instead of simply using the hda
> or /dev identifier, which would make system administration, much
> more efficient.

That's probably UUIDs. Debian does this as well. I'm not well versed in
the advantages and disadvantages of UUIDs, but I do know that they never
change, unlike files in /dev.

-- 
Brian

signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Re: vim linebreaks in Mutt

2009-08-01 Thread Carl Johnson

Rob Owens  writes:

> What's the proper setting to get good line breaks in Mutt (using vim),
> without manually hitting the enter key?  (So that this paragraph, for
> instance, is not one long line of text, but rather several shorter lines of
> text).
>
> I currently have this in .muttrc:
>
> set editor="vim -c 'set wrapmargin=5'"
>
> This breaks my lines 5 characters from the right of my terminal.  Problem
> is, that varies depending on how large my xterm is at the time I'm
> composing the email.  I often toggle to fullscreen, and that makes my lines
> get much longer.
>
> Sorry if this is off-topic, but I've noticed there are at least a couple
> Mutt users on the list.

I am not a Mutt user, but I am a vim user.  You would just use
textwidth=72 instead of the wrapmargin=5 (or use tw for textwidth).
You can also put that in your .vimrc as:
:set textwidth=72

-- 
Carl Johnsonca...@peak.org



-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: vim linebreaks in Mutt

2009-08-01 Thread Alex Samad

On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 09:01:49PM -0700, Carl Johnson wrote:
> Rob Owens  writes:
> 
> > What's the proper setting to get good line breaks in Mutt (using vim),
> > without manually hitting the enter key?  (So that this paragraph, for
> > instance, is not one long line of text, but rather several shorter lines of
> > text).
> >
> > I currently have this in .muttrc:
> >
> > set editor="vim -c 'set wrapmargin=5'"
> >
> > This breaks my lines 5 characters from the right of my terminal.  Problem
> > is, that varies depending on how large my xterm is at the time I'm
> > composing the email.  I often toggle to fullscreen, and that makes my lines
> > get much longer.
> >
> > Sorry if this is off-topic, but I've noticed there are at least a couple
> > Mutt users on the list.

bit late, but

this is what i have in my .mutt/vimrc
" source everything as usual
" setting filtype to mail should have all the right values !
source /etc/vim/vimrc
source ~/.vimrc

" Allow indenting ?
if has("autocmd")
  filetype plugin indent on
endif

set filetype=mail " correct syntax highlighting

" Spelling
" Colouring
highlight SpellErrors ctermfg=Red cterm=underline term=reverse
highlight SpellBad term=standout ctermfg=15 ctermbg=1 guifg=White
guibg=Red
highlight SpellCap ctermfg=Blue cterm=underline term=reverse
highlight SpellLocal term=standout ctermfg=15 ctermbg=1 guifg=Green
guibg=Cyan

" Location
setlocal spell spelllang=en_au 



and in my muttrc

set editor = "~/.mutt/killsig.pl %s; vim -u ~/.mutt/vimrc %s"

and the killsig.pl

#!/usr/bin/perl
#
# killsig: delete signature (also "oe-sigs") when quoting emails.
#  known patterns: ">-- " , "> -- ", ">--", "> --".
#
# Michael Velten 

open(MAIL, "+<$ARGV[0]") || die "$0: Can't open $ARGV[0]: $!";
while () {
unless (/^> ?-- ?$/) {
push(@purged, $_);
}
else {
while () {
push(@purged, $_) unless /^>.+/;
}
}
}
truncate(MAIL, 0);
seek(MAIL,0,0);
print MAIL @purged;
close(MAIL);

Alex

> 
> I am not a Mutt user, but I am a vim user.  You would just use
> textwidth=72 instead of the wrapmargin=5 (or use tw for textwidth).
> You can also put that in your .vimrc as:
> :set textwidth=72
> 

-- 
That's the thing about people who think they hate computers.  What they
really hate is lousy programmers.
-- Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle in "Oath of Fealty"


signature.asc
Description: Digital signature

Re: Reason to not upgrade to 5.0 - was Re: Problem with Debian 4.0 security

2009-08-01 Thread Bret Busby


On Sat, 1 Aug 2009, Brian Marshall wrote:



On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 10:00:44AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:

The problem with downloading the applications from seamonkey, is
that they are .tar.gz files, rather than .deb packages, and my
experience with using .tar.gz files for installing software, rather
than .deb packages, is that the .tar.gz files are messy to install,
and the effects horrendous.


Actually, the tarballs from Mozilla aren't source, so they don't
require installation. You can run the firefox/seamonkey/whatever binary
from the directory you extracted it to.



The problem with that, is that, when updating the version, as I had done 
in the past, I always had to create and go down to, a new, lower 
directory level, and I ended up with something like seven directory 
levels for the path of the installed application, before I simply gave 
up updating the application.


Now, I just avoid .tar.gz files.

Using package management, with the package being appropriate for the 
distribution (not like the crappy use of an RPM package for installation 
on a Debian system), is far simpler and more reliable, and, provides far 
greater incentive, to keep the installed packages up to date.


However, ...

I am currently logged in to the Debian 5.0 installation on my laptop, 
telnetted to my desktop computer, to access my email application, and I 
have checked the version of iceape that is installed on my Debian 5.0 
installation on my laptop, and, Synatic shows that it is 1.0.13 for etch 
(unfortunately, Synaptic does not allow copying and pasting of 
information displayed in Synaptic).


So, maybe, if java is not really needed to run Debian 5.0, I can install 
Debian 5.0 , and then download and install iceape for etch, on Debian 
5.0, or upgrade from Debian 4.0 to 5.0, without losing iceape.



I also found that, from what I understand, Debian 5.0 requires java,
in much the same way as (and with far greater system vulnerability
than)
MS Windows has been requiring Internet Explorer.


This is certainly not true. Java is in the non-free repository, which
would make it impossible to include in the default distribution. Debian
doesn't really require anything, anyway - you don't even need X.



The source of information that led me to believe that Debian requires 
java, is, on the web page at 
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html 
, where it states

"2.7. Java now in Debian
The OpenJDK Java Runtime Environment openjdk-6-jre and Development Kit 
openjdk-6-jdk, needed for executing Java GUI and Webstart programs or 
building such programs, are now in Debian. The packages are built using 
the IcedTea build support and patches from the IcedTea project."


Maybe I misconstrued what is said, by interpreting that as indicating 
that Debian 5.0 reqiuires java, to function with a GUI.


Can Debian 5.0 be installed, and fully functional, then, without java 
being installed?



superuser privilege is limited, and, it uses an unwieldy means of
identifying partitions, making modifying the fstab and mounting
partitions, somewhat traumatic, instead of simply using the hda
or /dev identifier, which would make system administration, much
more efficient.


That's probably UUIDs. Debian does this as well. I'm not well versed in
the advantages and disadvantages of UUIDs, but I do know that they never
change, unlike files in /dev.



I think it is the UUID's. Long character identifiers for partitions, 
that require a specific process to find what is the UUID for a 
partition, then it has to be entered, in a different syntax, to have 
logical drives automatically mounted, on bootup.


Makes sysadmin somewhat more complicated than it need be, as, from 
memory, I have previously done such things, by simply using 
/dev/hd as the logical drive identifier, and, the mountpoint 
name (eg /mount/data1).


I have not had to use UUID's in the procedure, in Debian.

--
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
..

"So once you do know what the question actually is,
 you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
  Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
  "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
  A Trilogy In Four Parts",
  written by Douglas Adams,
  published by Pan Books, 1992




--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: approx: infinite loop during update, importing

2009-08-01 Thread whollygoat



On Sun, 02 Aug 2009 01:20 +0200, "Sylvain Le Gall" 
wrote:
> In gmane.linux.debian.user, you wrote:
> >> >
> >> 
> >> You can try using "curl http://.../Packages..."; from the machine
> >> hosting approx, even if it sounds weird it can give you hints on what is
> >> happening (I say curl because approx use curl). If the problem is at the
> >> download level, there is probably a problem with curl from this specific
> >> computer. The same problem can disappear using apt/wget/iceweasel/...
> >> from the same machine. 
> >
> > Sorry, this got put on the back burner for a couple 
> > of days. Things seem to have worked themselves out 
> > on the server itself (lenny).  I tried running curl 
> > on the cl. That worked, so I tried aptitude update 
> > with sources.list pointing to the localhost approx 
> > proxy.  Don't understand why, but it is working.
> >
> > The problem persists from a remote client (a squeeze box),
> > though.  Packages file downloads variously to between 4 & 
> > 6 per cent, then the download stalls for a minute or two.  
> > The partially downloaded file then disappears and returns 
> > as a zero length file which then downloads to between 4 & 6 per cent ...
> >
> >> 
> >> Another point is to look at the log in /var/log/* to see what happens
> >> when the problem appears. You will probably find there some valuable
> >> information (error messages...).
> >
> > And you were right:
> >
> > approx: Nethttpd: Uncaught exception:
> > Nethttpd_types.Standard_response(-358247754, 0, 0)
> >
> > appears over and over again in /var/log/syslog when the remote
> > clients chokes and starts the download over.  Googling that only
> > turned up one bug report that seems to my naive eye to not
> > be a related problem, and anyway, was fixed in approx 3.3.0 
> > which is what I am running.
> >
> > Does the nethttpd error mean anything to anyone?
> 
> Nethttpd server is probably not complete enough to answer specific
> option used by aptitude... 
> 
> Can you try a simple "apt-get update" 

Same result, gets to about 4 or 6 % then tanks.
Noticed a new message in the logs:

approx: Removing
debian/dists/squeeze/main/binary-i386/Packages.3038.588984013 (size:
421116)
approx: Nethttpd: Uncaught exception:
Nethttpd_types.Standard_response(-358247754, 0, 0)

> or "curl
> http://host:port/.../Packages"; from the squeeze box (where host/port
> match approx host/port).

Same thing, except I used wget instead of curl.

It also seems that things are not so rosy on the
server itself.  I ran "aptitude build-dep approx"
to try and solve the other part of my problem
(approx-import missing from v3.3.0).  One of the 
things it wanted to install is ocaml-interp.  At
about 33% downloaded this tanks with the same 
type of message:

approx: Removing
debian/pool/main/o/ocaml/ocaml-interp_3.10.2-3_amd64.3018.199742079
(size: 400459)
approx: Nethttpd: Uncaught exception:
Nethttpd_types.Standard_response(-358247754, 0, 0)


willy
-- 
  
  whollyg...@letterboxes.org

-- 
http://www.fastmail.fm - A fast, anti-spam email service.


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Reason to not upgrade to 5.0 - was Re: Problem with Debian 4.0 security

2009-08-01 Thread Johan Grönqvist


Bret Busby skrev:

On Sat, 1 Aug 2009, Brian Marshall wrote:

The source of information that led me to believe that Debian requires 
java, is, on the web page at 
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html 
, where it states

"2.7. Java now in Debian
The OpenJDK Java Runtime Environment openjdk-6-jre and Development Kit 
openjdk-6-jdk, needed for executing Java GUI and Webstart programs or 
building such programs, are now in Debian. The packages are built using 
the IcedTea build support and patches from the IcedTea project."




I believe the message should be interpreted as follows:

Debian now _has_ a java implementation in its main repository, as 
opposed to previous versions when a java runtime environment was _only_ 
available in the non-free repository. This means that java programs 
_may_ now also be included in the main repository, as they no longer 
require non-free parts to be able to run.


That is, the message is much more like "debian can now properly include 
java applications", which is very far from "debian requires java 
application to be installed".


From the debian java FAQ on the status in 4.0 
, 
I definitely get the feeling that the issue in that version was the 
difficulty to include java-applications in main, which I feel supports 
my interpretation.


Hope it helps

/ johan


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: HOWTO enhance Debian by removing HAL

2009-08-01 Thread Osamu Aoki

On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 01:29:56PM +0200, Dirk wrote:
> Hello,
>
> i would like to start a thread where everyone posts his solution for  
> removing HAL or says why "nanny-features" like HAL shouldn't be enforced  
> in Linux.
>
>
> Disable HAL in Xorg on Debian / Ubuntu
>
> http://www.larsen-b.com/Article/341.html
>
> Disable automatic polling of CD/DVD-ROM drives to save power (and time)
>
> http://blogs.koolwal.net/2009/07/24/tip-disable-automatic-polling-of-cd-roms-to-save-power/
>
>
> I wonder why people who need "nanny-features" like HAL refuse to just  
> use windows instead.

Hmmm ... convenience? 

If you push such thought, ...  Why even have X ... we can edit
everything by ed command.  No vi(m), no emacs,  and few essential
packages only will get to use Debian.  

Have fun.

Osamu


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Reason to not upgrade to 5.0 - was Re: Problem with Debian 4.0 security

2009-08-01 Thread CaT

On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 02:02:56PM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Aug 2009, Brian Marshall wrote:
>> On Sun, Aug 02, 2009 at 10:00:44AM +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
>>> The problem with downloading the applications from seamonkey, is
>>> that they are .tar.gz files, rather than .deb packages, and my
>>> experience with using .tar.gz files for installing software, rather
>>> than .deb packages, is that the .tar.gz files are messy to install,
>>> and the effects horrendous.
>>
>> Actually, the tarballs from Mozilla aren't source, so they don't
>> require installation. You can run the firefox/seamonkey/whatever binary
>> from the directory you extracted it to.
>
> The problem with that, is that, when updating the version, as I had done  
> in the past, I always had to create and go down to, a new, lower  
> directory level, and I ended up with something like seven directory  
> levels for the path of the installed application, before I simply gave  
> up updating the application.
>
> Now, I just avoid .tar.gz files.

I don't get it. I've been using tarballs since, well, mozilla had become
usable (0.6 or so). You move the old dir out of the way, untar either
directly into the location you want or someplace else and mv in. Start
it and if all goes well remove the old.

-Slightly- more combersome than apt-get install blah but it's fairly
simple and it works.

-- 
  "A search of his car uncovered pornography, a homemade sex aid, women's 
  stockings and a Jack Russell terrier."
- http://www.news.com.au/story/0%2C27574%2C24675808-421%2C00.html


-- 
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: Reason to not upgrade to 5.0 - was Re: Problem with Debian 4.0 security


On 2009-08-02 01:02, Bret Busby wrote:
[snip]


I think it is the UUID's. Long character identifiers for partitions, 
that require a specific process to find what is the UUID for a 
partition, then it has to be entered, in a different syntax, to have 
logical drives automatically mounted, on bootup.


Makes sysadmin somewhat more complicated than it need be, as, from 
memory, I have previously done such things, by simply using 
/dev/hd as the logical drive identifier, and, the mountpoint 
name (eg /mount/data1).


I have not had to use UUID's in the procedure, in Debian.


You must be using a relatively old kernel, or a single hard drive, 
or both.


For (much?) more than a year, since SATA drives became commonplace 
popular and the kernel started using libata, drive letters have no 
longer been "static".  What now might be sda might on next reboot be 
sdb.


Obviously. this plays havoc with fstab, so there's been a big move 
(don't know if it's all distros or just Debian-based systems) to 
using UUIDs, since they, by definition, don't change.


If you, like many, don't like them then you are more than welcome to 
add labels to your partitions and modify fstab accordingly.


--
Scooty Puff, Sr
The Doom-Bringer


--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org 
with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: HOWTO enhance Debian by removing HAL