Re: possibility of debian "cannabilizing" other Linux distributions in 5-10 years time

[kamaraju kusumanchi]

Dominik Margraf wrote:


Also, the possible release of Etch in Q4 of 2006 (Do you think this
timeframe is likely?) will coincide with the release of the M*Shit
Longhorn and how much share of the Windows market can be snatched by
Linux?
 

My personal opinion is that, as long as vendors ship their computers 
with preinsalled Microsoft products, there will be users using them. The 
sooner the vendors distribute pre-installed desktops/laptops, sooner 
will be the cannibalization you are talking about. Actually, some 
laptops are shipped with Debian installed. But their fraction is tiny.



In 10-15 years time, Do you think that Debian will dominate the
desktop and the server market to the extent that most desktops/laptops
sold in department stores will be preinstalled with Debian (just like
today's M*Shit Windows)?
 

I think it is the other way around. If the big companies like Dell, 
Sony, Toshiba etc., distribute preinstalled Linux systems, then the 
change will occur soon.


raju

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Re: possibility of debian "cannabilizing" other Linux distributions in 5-10 years time

[Andy Streich]

On Saturday 25 June 2005 11:42 pm, Dominik Margraf wrote:
> In 10-15 years time, Do you think that Debian will dominate the
> desktop and the server market to the extent that most desktops/laptops
> sold in department stores will be preinstalled with Debian (just like
> today's M*Shit Windows)?

One might hope so, but many things will have to change.  Today, Debian as a 
desktop is only practical where there is strong, nearby, technical support.  
Clearly you don't like MS Windows (I don't like MS in general) but it works 
out of the box for nearly every user and there is a ton of software that the 
non-technical person can add-on with no trouble.  There is no Debian 
equivalent (apt-get or aptitude or synaptic or ...?)

I'd be very interested to know if *anyone* is distributing a Debian system for 
the non-technical user -- a basic setup with the os, a gdm, Open Office, 
Firefox (with the appropriate plugins and extensions installed), Thunderbird, 
along with a plan for painless upgrades and support.  

The frame isn't Windows vs Linux.  It's Windows vs a tremendously fragmented 
Linux community with a myriad of Linux distros, all different.  We can't even 
agree on Gnome, KDE, or someother GUI.  As a geek I love all the options but 
it fails as a business plan.

Please, if you see it differently, let me know either on this list or to me 
individually.  

Andy


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Re: possibility of debian "cannabilizing" other Linux distributions in 5-10 years time

[Lee Braiden]

On Sunday 26 Jun 2005 08:42, Andy Streich wrote:
> One might hope so, but many things will have to change.  Today, Debian as a
> desktop is only practical where there is strong, nearby, technical support.
> Clearly you don't like MS Windows (I don't like MS in general) but it works
> out of the box for nearly every user and there is a ton of software that

That's funny, I would say the exact opposite.  Debian can be setup to run 
flawlessly, so that users cannot tamper with it.  Windows, on the other hand, 
needs constant attention to prevent it falling over due to spyware, viruses, 
spam, manual software installs and upgrades of using different packaging and 
distribution systems, users getting into things they shouldn't, and all sorts 
of other issues.

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Re: Wvdial, Pon Broke On Sarge-Stable, Only Pon works On Woody-Done Everthing I Know-Need Help

[Marty]

Debian User Leonard Chatagnier wrote:
Discovered wvdial and pon not working after finally getting the 
2.4.27-2-386 KI to boot.  Ran wvdialconf and
pppconfig which didn't change anything.  Chmod a+rwx on all wvdial and 
wvdial.conf files.  Some Debians may
say that's not the way, but I don't want to use su and don't have to on 
pon, so why on wvdial.  I've also added
my UID to all the appropriate groups.  It's a single user Desktop PC.  
Discovered a couple items that wvdialconf left out; no init3=ATDT and no 
New PPPD = yes.  They were both in the conf file in Sarge Texting, but 
both woody/sarge became non-functional due to / becomming full.  Believe 
they are required; if not please correct me. I added them to all three 
wvdials in /etc/wvdial.conf, /etc/X11/wvdial.conf, 
/home/lchata/wvdial.conf.  The phone, UID and Password entries in 
/home/lchate/wvdial.conf were commented out.  Reviewed the pap- and 
chat-secrets files and didn't see anything suspicious to me but, I am a 
realative newbie.  Also googled and read all related manuals and checked 
bug report#276020 and didn't find any thing revelant except for the ATDT 
dial command.  I also changed /dev/modem to read /dev/ttySHCF0.  Wvdial 
and pon still don't work in sarge and wvdial doesn't work in woody but 
did before the sarge dist-upgrade.  I give up; don't know what else to 
do without quidance.  Message output from wvdial and my wvdial.conf 
files are below:  My mind is a little foggy right now, please ask for 
any other info needed.  And thanks for any help; I'm at a dead end.  
PLEASE copy my email address; not subscribed and easier to format replys.


Leonard Chatagnier

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ wvdial
--> WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.54.0
*--> Warning: section [Dialer Defaults] does not exist in wvdial.conf.*
--> Cannot open /dev/modem: Permission denied
--> Cannot open /dev/modem: Permission denied
--> Cannot open /dev/modem: Permission denied
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ su
Password:
ChatagnierL-Home:/home/lchata# wvdial
--> WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.54.0
*--> Warning: section [Dialer Defaults] does not exist in wvdial.conf.*

Looks like a major problem  ^^


--> Initializing modem.
--> Sending: ATZ
ATZ
OK
--> Modem initialized.
--> Configuration does not specify a valid phone number.
--> Configuration does not specify a valid login name.
--> Configuration does not specify a valid password.
ChatagnierL-Home:/home/lchata# cat /etc/wvdial.conf
*[Dialer Defaults]*


Mine just has [Dialer Defaults] (without asterisks)

Everything else looks good, except that I don't have an Init3 stanza


Phone = 9815666
Username = lchata
Password = lrchata
New PPPD = yes
Modem = /dev/ttySHCF0
Baud = 115200
Init1 = ATZ
Init2 = ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0
Init3 = ATDT
ISDN = 0
Modem Type = Analog Modem
ChatagnierL-Home:/home/lchata#   






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Re: possibility of debian "cannabilizing" other Linux distributions in 5-10 years time

[Marty]

Lee Braiden wrote:

On Sunday 26 Jun 2005 08:42, Andy Streich wrote:

One might hope so, but many things will have to change.  Today, Debian as a
desktop is only practical where there is strong, nearby, technical support.
Clearly you don't like MS Windows (I don't like MS in general) but it works
out of the box for nearly every user and there is a ton of software that


That's funny, I would say the exact opposite.  Debian can be setup to run 
flawlessly, so that users cannot tamper with it.


Doesn't this presume a business environment with a support staff?  Not
exactly for every home user.  But having said that, it seems Windows is
moving in that direction with online "support."  I hear about ISPs or
cable companies writing draconian contracts, almost lease agreements,
that are voided by users installing a program.  Essentially the
PC becomes an appliance like a cable box that is virtually owned by
the ISP, upgraded without their knowledge, spied on, etc.  And maybe,
in that context, Linux wins.  It's not really the way I want it to
"win," however.

  Windows, on the other hand,
needs constant attention to prevent it falling over due to spyware, viruses, 
spam, manual software installs and upgrades of using different packaging and 
distribution systems, users getting into things they shouldn't, and all sorts 
of other issues.





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Re: possibility of debian "cannabilizing" other Linux distributions in 5-10 years time

[Daniel Johnson]

On 6/26/05, kamaraju kusumanchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Dominik Margraf wrote:>Also, the possible release of Etch in Q4 of 2006 (Do you think this>timeframe is likely?) will coincide with the release of the M*Shit>Longhorn and how much share of the Windows market can be snatched by
>Linux?>>My personal opinion is that, as long as vendors ship their computerswith preinsalled Microsoft products, there will be users using them. Thesooner the vendors distribute pre-installed desktops/laptops, sooner
will be the cannibalization you are talking about. Actually, somelaptops are shipped with Debian installed. But their fraction is tiny.
 I see debian getting a foothold at the bottom before the
top.  freegeek.org (where I have done some volunteering, and plan
to do more) has already given away thousands of refurbished computers
with debian installed on them.  Admittedly many of the people do
the volunteer work to get their free computer, and then go, and install
a M$ OS on it, but as debian improves the number of people sticking
with it increases, and the evidence is in the number of people calling
the tech support line.  (only the pre installed debian is
supported).  Free geek hasn't been around all that long, but
already people in other cities have copied the model.  So if you
want to really promote debian this is a good way.  There are other
examples like the cheapo PC's that Fry's sells with Linspire, and HP
selling machines over seas with Ubuntu pre installed, but those aren't
quite debian.  
>In 10-15 years time, Do you think that Debian will dominate the>desktop and the server market to the extent that most desktops/laptops
>sold in department stores will be preinstalled with Debian (just like>today's M*Shit Windows)?>>I think it is the other way around. If the big companies like Dell,Sony, Toshiba etc., distribute preinstalled Linux systems, then the
change will occur soon.
I think many admins respect debian already, but their managers may
still be under the impression that debian is a "hobby distro". 
Cannonical is helping to change this impression with their commercial
support of an almost debian distro.  HP has already adopted it as
I mentioned earlier.  Xandros is another debian derivative that
has gained a lot of popularity.  At Fry's it filled the top shelf
the last time I was there.  Linspire had half a shelf, and SuSe
the bottom half of the section with all the rest filled in with other
random distros.  So I would say that debian derivatives may
already have a substantial foothold in the commercial sector. 
Once people get used to them it won't be such a huge leap to go to
debian.  
I don't know if debian itself will dominate, but I
think in 10 years linux on the desktop is likely to be common place,
and I think that a combination of debian, and debian derivatives are
likely to have a significant share of the pie.  It is hard to say
though.  A year ago who would have thought that ubuntu would
spring out of no where, and in the course of a year be the most common
distro on the desktops of grandparents, and significant others of
geeks.  And all they did was provide funding for debian developers
so that they could work on it full time, sell professional support
contracts, provide helpful, and easy to use communication tools for new
users, clean up the interface a little, speed up the release cycle, and
ship free CDs.  I don't think any of these tasks are beyond the
abilities of this community.  I think it is up the community
whether debian becomes dominant or not.  If the debian community
builds what people want, and need then, the the people only need to be
convinced to try it, and they will stay.  

Re: possibility of debian "cannabilizing" other Linux distributions in 5-10 years time

[Lee Braiden]

On Sunday 26 Jun 2005 09:02, Marty wrote:
> > That's funny, I would say the exact opposite.  Debian can be setup to run
> > flawlessly, so that users cannot tamper with it.
>
> Doesn't this presume a business environment with a support staff? 

Not necessarily.  It could be setup for any purpose; you only need to talk to 
the customer, find out what they need, and configure correctly so that their 
needs are met.  If their needs are met, they have no need to alter anything.  
If their needs change, they still have the choice of seeking out an expert to 
adjust things for them (just as they would seek out an expert to adjust their 
car, or anything else they have an incomplete personal knowledge of), or they 
can choose to try it themselves and risk screwing up.

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Postfix/Sarge: permissions up the woopee

[Robert S]

I have just been investigating postfix as a "simpler" alternative to
sendmail on sarge.  My syslog is full of messages like:

Jun 26 18:02:30 debian postfix/smtpd[5028]: fatal: open lock file
pid/inet.smtp: cannot create file exclusively: No such file or directory
Jun 26 18:02:31 debian postfix/master[2740]: warning: process
/usr/lib/postfix/smtpd pid 5028 exit status 1
Jun 26 18:02:31 debian postfix/master[2740]: warning:
/usr/lib/postfix/smtpd: bad command startup -- throttling
Jun 26 18:02:48 debian postfix/master[2740]: warning:
master_wakeup_timer_event: service public/pickup: No such file or directory

I've tried tricks like # postfix set-permissions
.. which gives the following:
chown: cannot access `/usr/lib/postfix/dict_ldap.so': No such file or
directory

.. but still no luck.

My main.cf (NB: mydomain.com.au is fictitious):

smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Debian/GNU)
biff = no
append_dot_mydomain = no
myhostname = debian
alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases
alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases
myorigin = /etc/mailname
mydestination = mydomain.com.au, debian.mydomain.com.au,
localhost.mydomain.com.au, localhost, debian
relayhost =
mynetworks = 127.0.0.0/8 192.168.2.0/24
mailbox_command = procmail -a "$EXTENSION"
mailbox_size_limit = 0
recipient_delimiter = +
inet_interfaces = all
mail_owner = postfix
setgid_group = postdrop
queue_directory = /var/spool/postfix

Has anybody got this working???  I get the impression that most problems are 
due to the fact that postfix is running in a chrooted environment.




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alsaconf cannot find my es1371

[Joe Mc Cool]

sarge, 2.2.20 kernel

insmod es1371 works fine and I can play sound no problem.

For some time I have been struggling to get sound recording to work.  
This was part of my reason to upgrade from woody to sarge.  So, I 
thought I'd try alssa.


apt-get install alsa
no errors

but alsaconf does not detect the es1371.

:-(

Joe


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Re: 2.6.12.1 kernel won't compile in fresh sarge install

[Adam Mercer]

On 25/06/05, Daniel Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've been trying to compile a vanilla 2.6.12.1 kernel because it has native
> drivers for my pchdtv [1] card that are not in 2.6.11.  When running make it
> gets pages of errors under drivers/char/drm/ eventually giving me a failure
> message.  I've tried both with using one of the debian configure files, and
> with just changing the processor type, and turning ext3 journaling support
> on.  Is there some special combination of build tools that I need, or is
> there some other reason why this won't build?  All of the tool versions I
> saw in the kernel documentation seemed to meet the minimum besides the ones
> that didn't seem to be apt gettable.  Does anyone know of an apt-get source
> for the new kernel?  apt-get.org failed me.  

What are the error messages?

If you use udev then you'll have to update that to 058+, see
http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/5/20/180 for more info

Cheers

Adam

Re: 2.6.12.1 kernel won't compile in fresh sarge install

[Daniel Johnson]

>What are the error messages?

unfortunately I rebooted between when I got the errors, and when I
posted.  It  seems that I managed  to 
install  whatever  it  needed in the meantime
because  my  last  attempt  worked though it 
got a  kernel  panic when I tried to boot to it.  I
really don't know what it was looking for, and I don't know why
auto-apt didn't notice it looking for anything.  Maybe because the
linux source doesn't use configure scripts.  Maybe a virtual
package with everything you need to compile vanilla kernels is
possible.  I think I just needed some random thing.  I think
perhaps what I did was run apt-get install build-dep
kernel-image-2.6.8-1, and that brought in whatever I needed.  I'm
not sure.  
 If you use udev then you'll have to update that to 058+, see
http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/5/20/180 for more info
Okay thanks.  

And sorry for responding directly.  I'm not used to using gmail
with debian mailing lists, and I haven't setup this machine to access
gmail using pop with an MUA I am more familiar with.  

Re: alsaconf cannot find my es1371

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

Joe Mc Cool (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

> sarge, 2.2.20 kernel

If you still use the Woody installation kernel, you should upgrade to
kernel 2.4.27 or 2.6.8.

> insmod es1371 works fine and I can play sound no problem.

That's the OSS driver.

> For some time I have been struggling to get sound recording to work.
> This was part of my reason to upgrade from woody to sarge.  So, I
> thought I'd try alssa.
> 
> apt-get install alsa
> no errors

That installed the alsa-base package. You still need the alsa-modules
(that you need to compile yourself, e.g. using module-assistant), and
you probably also want to install alsa-oss (for OSS compatibility) and
alsa-utils (includes alsamixer, by default your card is mute).

> but alsaconf does not detect the es1371.

Because you are missing the alsa-modules or your card is blocked by the
OSS driver I think. The easiest way to get ALSA working is probably to
install some 2.6.8-2 kernel image (already includes alsa modules) and
hotplug, or some 2.4.27 kernel image, the matching alsa-modules-2.4.27
package, and discover. hotplug and/or discover will load the drivers
when you boot, all you need to do is to make sure that the OSS es1372
driver is not in your /etc/modules.

best regards
Andreas Janssen

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Sarge .config mismatch?

[Chris Phillips]

Hi all,

I have just installed Sarge with the 2.4.27 kernel
(2.4.27-2-386). I have been having a lot of trouble
building custom kernels. I have used my usual
technique of copying the the config file from the
running kernel and modifying as needed. To don this I
copied 
/boot/config-2.4.27-2-386 as the starting point.

However this has not been working well (kernel panics
etc). Looking into the problem it seems to be clear to
me that the config-2.4.27-2-386 does *not* correspond
to what was used to compile kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386
(basically the config file has numerous modules
activated that are not present in the
/lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386.

Can anyone comment or tell me where to find the
correct config file for the supplied kernel images.

Thanks
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DRM failure with ATI radeon 9200 and Kernel 2.6

[Terry Hancock]

Hello!

Hardware acceleration (DRI) is not working with my ATI Radeon 9200 card
on a fresh install of Debian Sarge (3.1), using the AMD 64 build of Kernel 2.6.

From /var/log/XFree86.0.log I'm seeing this message:
"""
(II) RADEON(0): [drm] drmSetBusid failed (5, PCI:1:0:0), Invalid argument
(EE) RADEON(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed.  Disabling DRI.
"""

Googling, I found some references to a similar problem with the same
driver when gcc 3 was used to compile the module (or when it was
mixed with a kernel built with 2.95?).  However, that was a "Permission
denied" error instead of "Invalid argument".  That was with Debian
"unstable" in 2003, which probably was "Sarge", IIRC, although given
that there were such problems, it seems unlikely that it would've gone
unchanged.

This line has been reported with "Invalid argument" for some other drivers,
but so far, I haven't found a similar report for the radeon. Unfortunately,
the only sites I found are in German and Russian, which I don't speak, so
I can't really follow the discussion, so I'm just guessing based on the 
log messages they posted.

The XF86Config-4 file has a very simple entry for DRI:
"""
Section "DRI"
Mode0666
EndSection
"""
so I don't *think* it's a problem with the configuration.

That leaves me with the possibility of a (probably different) compiler issue.
How can I tell which compiler built the kernel and radeon modules that
I'm using?

What exactly is the "Invalid argument" message I'm seeing?  I'm guessing
this might be a C API mismatch?  Or maybe there is something being passed
from a config file that I can change?

Any recommendations for what to try next?

Any ideas appreciated,
Terry

 
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Getting rid of "holds" on packages

[David Baron]

Hold back a package is deprecated. I had used it in the past becasue "pinning" 
prevented notification of updates that might have fixed the problem. How do I 
get rid of these "hold" flags? (They persist and also foul up Kpackage's UI.)


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su & $PATH

[Paolo Pantaleo]

I noticed that after issuing the
su
command the $PATH variable has a different value. I think that this is
quite nasty if i added my own paths to $PATH.
Is this a bug, or not?
How can I do to make $PATH remain the same? (set $PATH again in bashrc?)

Thnx
PAolo

Re: DRM failure with ATI radeon 9200 and Kernel 2.6

[Daniel Johnson]

On 6/26/05, Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello!Hardware acceleration (DRI) is not working with my ATI Radeon 9200 cardon a fresh install of Debian Sarge (3.1), using the AMD 64 build of Kernel 2.6.
I have a radeon 8500, and it works with  a fresh install of 
sarge with a  2.6.8 kernel.  That is a  similar 
card  I  think.  I don't remember if I had to manually
uncomment the dri, and glx lines in the config file.  
From /var/log/XFree86.0.log I'm seeing this message:"""(II) RADEON(0): [drm] drmSetBusid failed (5, PCI:1:0:0), Invalid argument
(EE) RADEON(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed.  Disabling DRI."""
Could you have the busid wrong?  Did you check it against lspci?  Or maybe just the syntax of that line wrong?  

Re: Getting rid of "holds" on packages

[Daniel Johnson]

On 6/26/05, David Baron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hold back a package is deprecated. I had used it in the past becasue "pinning"prevented notification of updates that might have fixed the problem. How do Iget rid of these "hold" flags? (They persist and also foul up Kpackage's UI.)

With Aptitude I just mark them as "to be installed" by hitting the '+'
like if I was just adding  a package that wasn't installed.  

Re: su & $PATH

[Lech Karol Pawłaszek]

On Sunday 26 of June 2005 12:29, Paolo Pantaleo wrote:
> I noticed that after issuing the
> su
> command the $PATH variable has a different value. I think that this is
> quite nasty if i added my own paths to $PATH.
> Is this a bug, or not?
> How can I do to make $PATH remain the same? (set $PATH again in bashrc?)

man su !!!

look after -p/-m parameter.

regards,

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"You will never see me fall from grace..." [KoRn]

Re: Getting rid of "holds" on packages

[Lech Karol Pawłaszek]

On Sunday 26 of June 2005 11:56, David Baron wrote:
> Hold back a package is deprecated. I had used it in the past becasue
> "pinning" prevented notification of updates that might have fixed the
> problem. How do I get rid of these "hold" flags? (They persist and also
> foul up Kpackage's UI.)

echo $package $state | dpkg --set-selections

where $package is a package name
and $state is a new state for a package (like 'hold', 'install', 'purge')

regards,

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Howto find and remove unused libraries?

[fraz]

How can I find libraries etc that were installed as dependencies, but 
which currently have no "dependants" installed? IE the package that 
caused apt to install them isn't installed anymore.


I've been apt-getting and removing packages on my system for the last 4 
years. And I suspect there is a lot of unused crud. For future reference 
is there a better way to remove packages so the unused dependencies are 
also removed? Is "dpkg -P" equivalent to "apt-get remove"?


Thanks,
fraz


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Re: About blackdown

[Hendrik Boom]

On Sat, Jun 25, 2005 at 07:37:05PM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> make it work.  In the long run, I'd love it if I could compile my program for 
> Linux, OSX, and Windows, with all executable and library files in one or a 
> few directories on an install CD, and easily copy that directory tree over to 
> the target system.

You might want to look at the wxWindows/wxWidgets library (it changed its
name recently).  It does run on Linux, Windows, Mac, and a variety of Unixes.

> I'm probably wrong on this, but I didn't think Qt could 
> be used from Java, and I don't know C or C++.

But it does stick you with the misfortune of programming in C++.
There does seem to be a Python binding, though.

But is there any problem getting your clients to use Sun's Java?

-- hendrik


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Partial success: Re: Upgrade woody-->sarge, KDE stops working

[Hendrik Boom]

On Sat, Jun 25, 2005 at 12:39:01PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 25, 2005 at 12:11:23PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> 
> I certainly *never* asked xdm to be held back, nor icewm, yet
> when I started an interactive aptitude session just now,
> they were on the list of held-back packages, and their
> installed version numbers were significantly behind the current
> sarge ones.  Perhaps that's relevant???
> 
> Aptitude didn't complain about any potential broken dependencies,
> so I went ahead and typed +.  I wonder why dist-upgrade didn't
> update them.
> 
> There appears to be a large collection of other, similarly held back
> packages.  I'll get to them next.

Got to them.  Explicitly requested a few packages, did "U" in aptitude
twice, explicitly installed and recofigured gdm to be my display manager,
and still didn't get to successfully log in.  One minutes after logging in,
a message came up on the screen warning me that my session had lasted
less than ten seconds.  Used gdm to switch to icewm (which I had thought
was default, and everything worked.  The system even seems faster than
it was under woody, yes, using icewm too.

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menu problem

[Mal Beaton]

Thought I would check with the mailing list before I submitted a bug

I am using the menu package to create customised menus

However of late It doesnt update menus but says it does

If I completely remove the remote-hosts the menu stays there but nothing
can be executed
put it back and the ones that are there can be executed but no new ones
can be added and the old ones cant be edited.

Has anyone come across this

Relevant packages

Debian Unstable
kde
 Installed: 5:44
  Candidate: 5:44
  Version Table:
 *** 5:44 0
   1100 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

menu:
  Installed: 2.1.25
  Candidate: 2.1.25
  Version Table:
 *** 2.1.25 0
   1100 http://http.us.debian.org unstable/main Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

None of the new menus appear

file is located ~mjb/.menu/remote-hosts

?package(local.agent):\
 needs=x11\
 section=newssh\
 icon=/usr/local/share/icons/48x48/ssh.png\
 longtitle=Agent-Up\
 title="Prime the agent"\
 command="/usr/bin/ssh-add  screen -D -RR"
?package(local.backups):\
 needs=x11\
 section=newssh/home\
 icon=/usr/share/icons/crystalsvg/48x48/apps/konsole.png\
 longtitle=backups\
 title=backups\
 command="xterm -pc -rightbar -T backups -n backups -bg black -fg white
-e /usr/bin/ssh -A -t -C  ssh -A -t backups  screen -D -RR"






update-menus -v
update-menus[5441]: Update-menus is run by user.
update-menus[5441]: Dpkg is not locking dpkg status area, good.
update-menus[5441]: Reading installed packages list...
update-menus[5441]: Reading menu-entry files in /home/mjb/.menu/.
update-menus[5441]: 39 menu entries found (39 total).
update-menus[5441]: Reading menu-entry files in /etc/menu/.
update-menus[5441]: 39 menu entries found (78 total).
update-menus[5441]: Reading menu-entry files in /usr/lib/menu/.
update-menus[5441]: 402 menu entries found (480 total).
update-menus[5441]: Reading menu-entry files in /usr/share/menu/.
update-menus[5441]: 440 menu entries found (920 total).
update-menus[5441]: Reading menu-entry files in /usr/share/menu/default/.
update-menus[5441]: 440 menu entries found (1360 total).
update-menus[5441]: Running menu-methods in /home/mjb/.menu-methods/.
update-menus[5441]: Running menu-methods in /etc/menu-methods/.
update-menus[5441]: Running method: /etc/menu-methods/menu-xdg
update-menus[5441]: Running method: /etc/menu-methods/twm
update-menus[5441]: Running method: /etc/menu-methods/sawfish-gnome
update-menus[5441]: Running method: /etc/menu-methods/flwm
update-menus[5441]: Running method: /etc/menu-methods/sawfish
update-menus[5441]: Running method: /etc/menu-methods/gnome-panel
update-menus[5441]: Running method: /etc/menu-methods/gnome-panel-data
update-menus[5441]: Running method:
/etc/menu-methods/xdg-desktop-entry-spec-dirs
update-menus[5441]: Running method:
/etc/menu-methods/xdg-desktop-entry-spec-ap







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Re: Howto find and remove unused libraries?

[Lech Karol Pawłaszek]

On Sunday 26 of June 2005 13:47, fraz wrote:
> How can I find libraries etc that were installed as dependencies, but
> which currently have no "dependants" installed? IE the package that
> caused apt to install them isn't installed anymore.
>
> I've been apt-getting and removing packages on my system for the last 4
> years. And I suspect there is a lot of unused crud. For future reference
> is there a better way to remove packages so the unused dependencies are
> also removed? Is "dpkg -P" equivalent to "apt-get remove"?

yup. check package named deborphan out. then - use ncurses based orphaner 
(with options --guess-all --purge i.e) binary.

And... well... hm... let say "dpkg -P" is equivalent to "apt-get remove".

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Re: Howto find and remove unused libraries?

[Glennie Vignarajah]

Le Sunday 26 June 2005 13:47, fraz(fraz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) 
disait:
> How can I find libraries etc that were installed as dependencies,
> but which currently have no "dependants" installed? IE the package
> that caused apt to install them isn't installed anymore.
>

Try deborphan.
If you're testing (install/uninstall) many packages, try debfoster.

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Re: Howto find and remove unused libraries?

[Eric Lavarde]

fraz wrote:
How can I find libraries etc that were installed as dependencies, but 
which currently have no "dependants" installed? IE the package that 
caused apt to install them isn't installed anymore.


I've been apt-getting and removing packages on my system for the last 4 
years. And I suspect there is a lot of unused crud. For future reference 
is there a better way to remove packages so the unused dependencies are 
also removed? Is "dpkg -P" equivalent to "apt-get remove"?


Thanks,
fraz



Hi,

quite easy one ;-)

# apt-get install deborphan
# man deborphan
# deborphan

I tend to use:
# apt-get -s remove $(deborphan)
and if I'm happy with the result:
# apt-get --purge remove $(deborphan)

Hope this helps,
Eric


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Re: Howto find and remove unused libraries?

[fraz]

Thanks all!

98 Megs freed! My root partition was getting a little tight. I knew 
there had to something to do the job. :D Orphaner was pretty straight 
forward.


Some of it was old -dev packages so I could compile programs from the 
authors tarballs while helping debug. And a few other random things from 
when I had KDE. I'll look into debfoster for the future too.


Cheers


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Re: Howto find and remove unused libraries?

[Jochen Schulz]

fraz:
>
> [...] For future reference is there a better way to remove packages so
> the unused dependencies are also removed?

If you use aptitude to install packages, it will remember which packages
have been installed just because something you really wanted depended on
it. If you decide to remove that package later, it will remove its
dependencies as well (if there aren't other packages still depending on
it).

Beware that aptitude in its default configuration always treats
packages' recommends as if they were dependencies. You can easily switch
it off in the options menu when starting aptitude with no arguments.

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Re: Sarge .config mismatch?

[Chris Phillips]

Hi All

> etc). Looking into the problem it seems to be clear
> to
> me that the config-2.4.27-2-386 does *not*
> correspond
> to what was used to compile
> kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386
 
Doh! I screwed up. No problem after all. Not sure how
I got confused. The config file does seem to be
correct after all.

Cheers
Chris

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Re: Howto find and remove unused libraries?

[James Vahn]

frazu wrote:
> How can I find libraries etc that were installed as dependencies, but 
> which currently have no "dependants" installed? IE the package that 
> caused apt to install them isn't installed anymore.

Note the use of backtics as opposed to quotes here:  
wajig purge `deborphan`
apt-get remove --purge `deborphan`

We are not removing deborphan here; it creates a list.

Deborphan and debfoster are very handy, although incompatible with
aptitude (which will re-install what they removed). Wajig has a plethoria
of options, check it out. 

Debfoster will go through your entire system and ask about each package
(and dependancies). The first time use will be time consuming, be
prepared for it. You can quit and come back later. Another useful tool 
is called "cruft".

Hope this helps. :-)


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Re: Sarge .config mismatch?

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

Chris Phillips (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

> I have just installed Sarge with the 2.4.27 kernel
> (2.4.27-2-386). I have been having a lot of trouble
> building custom kernels. I have used my usual
> technique of copying the the config file from the
> running kernel and modifying as needed. To don this I
> copied
> /boot/config-2.4.27-2-386 as the starting point.

Where did you copy the file to? You need to copy it to
/path/to/kernel-source/.config and then run make oldconfig. You also
need to build an initrd for the kernel (e.g. make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg
--initrd --revision 1.0 -r fakeroot kernel_image)

> However this has not been working well (kernel panics
> etc). Looking into the problem it seems to be clear to
> me that the config-2.4.27-2-386 does *not* correspond
> to what was used to compile kernel-image-2.4.27-2-386
> (basically the config file has numerous modules
> activated that are not present in the
> /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386.

Which modules for example?

best regards
Andreas Janssen

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Need help with samsung ML-2250

[John Foster]

I have a spanking new Samsung ML-2250 printer installed. I set it up  (Debian 
Unstable with KDE) and I had to use a driver from Samsung [who knew?] yep 
guys they actually have a Gnome based installer on the factory Cd & get this 
it says along with others that it is compatible with Debian 2.2.. The problem 
is I use KDE and so I used the .ppd file from the cd & set up the driver with 
KDE's installer. I actually got it to work though incorrectly on the first 
try but I had set up the wrong driver so I did it again with the correct 
driver & voila it immediately set up and recognized the printer. I then tried 
to print a test page but no job was generated. I am using the CUPS system. 
Anyone have any experience with this printer. Any suggestions as to what I am 
doing wrong . I do not want to set up a Gnome system just to use their 
installer.
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Re: Logcheck error: Failed to get lockfile: /var/lock/logcheck/logcheck.lock

[Michal Sedlak]

$ ls -ld /var/lock/logcheck/
drwxr-xr-x  2 logcheck logcheck 4096 2005-06-24 09:02 /var/lock/logcheck/

Thanks solved there were bad owner set, I set it with chmod and now it is ok

Thank you very much 



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[Fwd: Re: Wvdial, Pon Broke On Sarge-Stable, Only Pon works On Woody-Done Everthing I Know-Need Help]

[Debian User Leonard Chatagnier]

--- Begin Message ---

Marty wrote:


Debian User Leonard Chatagnier wrote:

Discovered wvdial and pon not working after finally getting the 
2.4.27-2-386 KI to boot.  Ran wvdialconf and
pppconfig which didn't change anything.  Chmod a+rwx on all wvdial 
and wvdial.conf files.  Some Debians may
say that's not the way, but I don't want to use su and don't have to 
on pon, so why on wvdial.  I've also added
my UID to all the appropriate groups.  It's a single user Desktop 
PC.  Discovered a couple items that wvdialconf left out; no 
init3=ATDT and no New PPPD = yes.  They were both in the conf file in 
Sarge Texting, but both woody/sarge became non-functional due to / 
becomming full.  Believe they are required; if not please correct me. 
I added them to all three wvdials in /etc/wvdial.conf, 
/etc/X11/wvdial.conf, /home/lchata/wvdial.conf.  The phone, UID and 
Password entries in /home/lchate/wvdial.conf were commented out.  
Reviewed the pap- and chat-secrets files and didn't see anything 
suspicious to me but, I am a realative newbie.  Also googled and read 
all related manuals and checked bug report#276020 and didn't find any 
thing revelant except for the ATDT dial command.  I also changed 
/dev/modem to read /dev/ttySHCF0.  Wvdial and pon still don't work in 
sarge and wvdial doesn't work in woody but did before the sarge 
dist-upgrade.  I give up; don't know what else to do without 
quidance.  Message output from wvdial and my wvdial.conf files are 
below:  My mind is a little foggy right now, please ask for any other 
info needed.  And thanks for any help; I'm at a dead end.  PLEASE 
copy my email address; not subscribed and easier to format replys.


Leonard Chatagnier

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ wvdial
--> WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.54.0
*--> Warning: section [Dialer Defaults] does not exist in wvdial.conf.*
--> Cannot open /dev/modem: Permission denied
--> Cannot open /dev/modem: Permission denied
--> Cannot open /dev/modem: Permission denied
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ su
Password:
ChatagnierL-Home:/home/lchata# wvdial
--> WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.54.0
*--> Warning: section [Dialer Defaults] does not exist in wvdial.conf.*


Looks like a major problem  ^^


--> Initializing modem.
--> Sending: ATZ
ATZ
OK
--> Modem initialized.
--> Configuration does not specify a valid phone number.
--> Configuration does not specify a valid login name.
--> Configuration does not specify a valid password.
ChatagnierL-Home:/home/lchata# cat /etc/wvdial.conf
*[Dialer Defaults]*



Mine just has [Dialer Defaults] (without asterisks)

Everything else looks good, except that I don't have an Init3 stanza


Phone = 9815666
Username = lchata
Password = lrchata
New PPPD = yes
Modem = /dev/ttySHCF0
Baud = 115200
Init1 = ATZ
Init2 = ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0
Init3 = ATDT
ISDN = 0
Modem Type = Analog Modem
ChatagnierL-Home:/home/lchata#  

Hello Marty, thank for the reply.  Well, I kinda feel a little stupid, 
just a little, as I suddenly realized


last night that I haven't yet downloaded sarge kernel-headers and 
installed my hcfpci modem drivers.
I knew I had to do that but got distracted getting sarge to boot.  When 
I did, early this morning, I only
got pon working; so wvdial 1.54 is still an issue.  ?No init3 stanza, 
does tha mean I stand corrected and
its no longer reqired?  From what little I know about modem commands, I 
thoughtit totally necessary

to send the phone number.
Hh, those * are somewhat misleading.  There not in any of my files.  
I know, they were bold formatted
text to call attention that the warning [DialerDefaults] that do not 
exist in fact are there in my conf files. Your
email program must have rendered the bold text with the *'s as I see 
them at all the places I formatted as bold

text or sending in plain text mode loses the bold formatting.
I could take out the init3 stanza, and will, and try again.  Will let 
you know the outcome.

Thanks,
Leonard

--- End Message ---

Re: About blackdown

[Hal Vaughan]

On Sunday 26 June 2005 08:21 am, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 25, 2005 at 07:37:05PM -0400, Hal Vaughan wrote:
> > make it work.  In the long run, I'd love it if I could compile my program
> > for Linux, OSX, and Windows, with all executable and library files in one
> > or a few directories on an install CD, and easily copy that directory
> > tree over to the target system.
>
> You might want to look at the wxWindows/wxWidgets library (it changed its
> name recently).  It does run on Linux, Windows, Mac, and a variety of
> Unixes.

I looked at wxWindows, but at the time they had bindings for Perl (the 
language I was using and had learned -- other than Javascript/HTML) for Linux 
and Windows, but not Mac.

> > I'm probably wrong on this, but I didn't think Qt could
> > be used from Java, and I don't know C or C++.
>
> But it does stick you with the misfortune of programming in C++.
> There does seem to be a Python binding, though.

When I started this, I did my first program in TCL (hated it, but it had what 
I needed).  Then I saw "Learning Perl" on special for $7 at a store.  At that 
time I was broke, so that was a real deal.  I bought it and learned Perl in 
something like 2-3 hours (it took me 3 weeks to learn Java enough to 
understand OOP, which I had never used before).  I don't know if I would have 
understood Python at the first, but it would have been a huge help if I had 
learned it instead of Perl, since I know Python has bindings for many cross 
platform GUIs.  But Java has worked well and I like Perl.  It would be nice, 
though, to install binaries on a client's system -- just one less extra 
program to install.

> But is there any problem getting your clients to use Sun's Java?

There's no problem with getting them to use it.  My program has to install 
Sun's JVM, OpenOffice, and itself.  I want as small a footprint as possible.  
For example, one client had a friend install a new printer for him, and my 
program stopped working.  I logged in to his system with TightVNC and found 
that when they installed the printer, it wiped out OOo.  I don't know if his 
friend did it, or if it was one of those stupid Windows things.  I also 
wouldn't want to deal with some older, obsolete program that tries to get him 
to use an older version of Java.  I know that should not happen, but I 
remember it happening to me a few years back on Windows.

Hal


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installing spindle in eclipse

[Alan Chandler]

How do you do it.  How do you install a plugin (in this case "spindle" in 
eclipse.

As user alan I selected update manager from the eclipse help/software 
updates/updatemanger menu and selected the file on the computer (I have 
downloaded it). I got to the point where is suggested installing it 
in /usr/share/eclipse and then failed, with a message saying "you cannot 
install in the site "file:/usr/share/eclipse/".  It is considered non 
updateable."

Thinking this was a permissions problem on /usr/share/eclipse, I logged in as 
root and tried it again.  Same problem.


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su & $PATH & gdm

[Paolo Pantaleo]

OK sorry i shold read the man pages

Anyway the problem arises also with gdm:
if i run
startx
in gnome (ALT+F2 -> echo $PATH > ~/what_path) or in a terminal run by
gnome the $PATH is ok
if i use gdm the $PATH is not ok
(since gdm is run as root it will change user id shomewhere)

Starting Appletalk services...

[Eric P]

"Starting Appletalk services (this may take a while)"

Yes, it sure does.  What services are these anyway?  It seems to add
10-15 seconds to boot time on my 1.5 GHz box.

Thanks...
Eric P


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I cannot get my X reasonably configured

[Xeno Campanoli]

X configuration lousy.  Please somebody suggest to me something to make 
a good X configuration for good graphic hardware.  This xf86config POS 
just won't do it.


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Re: Starting Appletalk services...

[michael]

Quoting Eric P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


"Starting Appletalk services (this may take a while)"

Yes, it sure does.  What services are these anyway?  It seems to add
10-15 seconds to boot time on my 1.5 GHz box.


This is the netatalk service. Which allows your system to act as
a file server for Mac OS clients. It doesn't matter how fast your 
system is, the nature of afpd will always "...take a while ".


Just remove it from your rc.d and it won't start on boot up.



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Alternative to mkisofs graft points

[David Berg]

I am trying to hammer out some commands to backup my drive to DVD.  I
would like to place one or two partitons on each dvd as space allows. 
This is the command I tried first:

growisofs -z /dev/dvd /home /usr

This almost gave me what I wanted but I lost the home and usr
directories and only got their contents.  I know I can use
graft-points to place their contents in separate directories but I
still lose the permissions and such for the directory.  Is there a way
I can dump the whole directory including the directory to the disk? 
Or even to dump the whole partition the same way.  Being able to dump
the partition would be nice for when I back up the root partition.

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated

Re: Wvdial, Pon Broke On Sarge-Stable, Only Pon works On Woody-Done Everthing I Know-Need Help

[Marty]

Debian User Leonard Chatagnier wrote:


Hi Marty,
Took out init3=ATDT, logged out KDE and back in and still getting same 
wvdial error message, ie., no dialer

defaults.


This doesn't seem to appear in Bug #276020, so it looks like a different
problem.

  So, shut down and rebooted and runing wvdial still gave same

error message as user or as root.  Now
what?  Thanks for helping,
Leonard



I'm at a loss. Sorry, but as I wrote privately pon is its own dialer
and there are many other dialers in Debian.  You might use them to
verify it's wvdial-specific, then file a seperate bug report.


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Re: About blackdown

[David Baron]

On Sunday 26 June 2005 18:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
> > make it work.  In the long run, I'd love it if I could compile my program
> > for Linux, OSX, and Windows, with all executable and library files in one
> > or a few directories on an install CD, and easily copy that directory
> > tree over to the target system.
>
> You might want to look at the wxWindows/wxWidgets library (it changed its
> name recently).  It does run on Linux, Windows, Mac, and a variety of
> Unixes.
>
> > I'm probably wrong on this, but I didn't think Qt could
> > be used from Java, and I don't know C or C++.
>
> But it does stick you with the misfortune of programming in C++.
> There does seem to be a Python binding, though.

There is a java-binding as well for QT3 and its KDE widgets as well. I 
havent't tried them but installed--very large packages.
>
> But is there any problem getting your clients to use Sun's Java?

Final analysis--maybe the only real show in town. BTW, Swing is very versatile 
but is a paradigm shift from the Microsoft's-style APIs.

Re: possibility of debian "cannabilizing" other Linux distributions ...

[Paul E Condon]

On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 06:42:23PM +1200, Dominik Margraf wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Now Linux is effectively "cannabilizing" the Unix market due to its
> lower cost of acquision and open source status which offers
> transparency and security.  However will the ease of upgrade,
> versatility, security, free and non-commercial nature of Debian
> together with its dramatic improvements of both the functional
> maturity and user-friendliness (highlighted by Sarge) push Debian to
> "cannabilize" other Linux distributions, such as Redhat, Mandriva and
> especially other Debian-based distribution such as Xandros and Ubuntu
> (after Debian speeds up its release cycle and catches up the most
> modern Linux features and supports the most modern hardwares and
> assimilate these debian-based distributions back to Debian) within
> 5-10 years time?
> 
> Also, the possible release of Etch in Q4 of 2006 (Do you think this
> timeframe is likely?) will coincide with the release of the M*Shit
> Longhorn and how much share of the Windows market can be snatched by
> Linux?
> 
> In 10-15 years time, Do you think that Debian will dominate the
> desktop and the server market to the extent that most desktops/laptops
> sold in department stores will be preinstalled with Debian (just like
> today's M*Shit Windows)?
> 

This is a fun topic to knosh, but most discussions presume that market
dominance is important to the survival of a distribution. Debian seems
to have a stable and slowly growing population of supporters. To me,
the important feature of Debian is that it is the place where a person
can get started on learning how to control ones own computing environment.
For this reason alone, it will survive and flourish. Specialize, locked-
down distributions also have a future, but theirs depends on sys-admins
of varying degrees of technical competence choosing it for their
friends and relatives. Debian's future is with really sensible sys-admins
who chose it for their own computers. This will always be a niche market,
but a niche market that will never shrink to the point of being unsustainable.

If advocates of market dominance infiltrate and subvert Debian, the real
Debian target audience will move away and coalesce around some other name,
and it will be obvious that such has happened.

Concerning Debian displacing Windoze. I think there will always be a market for
software targeted at business people who feel that they must pay top dollar
because the price they pay for a thing is their only assurance that it
is a quality product. 

What might be a problem for Debian is software patents. Patent law is full
of bad decisions and is getting worse.

But on OP's main point. Dominance will come, or not, for reasons that have
nothing to do with quality, IMHO. 

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Re: PCMCIA network card

[Nathan Malmberg]

On Sat, Jun 25, 2005 at 09:33:49PM -0700, Rodney D. Myers wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 21:11:03 -0400
> Tom Allison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Is there an entry point someone could recommend so I can find a clean 
> > path for installing a network card?  It's an Orinoco Gold card.
> 
> Install it with a newer kernel and it "should" just work

Which is to say that the correct modules will be loaded when the card is
inserted.  Additional settings (essid, encryption keys, etc.) are set in
/etc/pcmcia/wireless.opts, if needed.  You may also need to list an
entry in /etc/network/interfaces (I did, but my configuration in
wireless.opts may be incomplete).

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newbie can't install 3.1

[Dylan Evans]

I don't know much, and figured the best way to learn linux is by having it.  
Unfortunately, the installation looked like it only half succeeded.  The gui 
won't work, and it won't auto-config my network card (I'm often on a big 
lan, and windows works).  Of that I am certain, and other things might not 
work either.  I'm seeing a lot of "blabbedy blah failed to load" or similar 
in the boot-up process.  Unfortunately, I can't take screenshots to 
troubleshoot, because I have to reboot to run windows, the OS where I can 
get on the internet, and therefore any possible support.  Any help would be 
most appreciated.  I'm sorry if I'm asking the wrong people, but I just 
haven't seen any newbie faqs or mailing lists.


Thanks
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Re: Wvdial, Pon Broke On Sarge-Stable, Only Pon works On Woody-Done Everthing I Know-Need Help

[Debian User Leonard Chatagnier]

Marty wrote:


Debian User Leonard Chatagnier wrote:


Hi Marty,
Took out init3=ATDT, logged out KDE and back in and still getting 
same wvdial error message, ie., no dialer

defaults.



This doesn't seem to appear in Bug #276020, so it looks like a different
problem.

  So, shut down and rebooted and runing wvdial still gave same


error message as user or as root.  Now
what?  Thanks for helping,
Leonard



I'm at a loss. Sorry, but as I wrote privately pon is its own dialer
and there are many other dialers in Debian.  You might use them to
verify it's wvdial-specific, then file a seperate bug report.


Ok, I replied to your previous message before reading this one.  Thanks 
for your help and I'll keep
trying to find a fix.  However, I'm not going to file a bug report as 
this issue has existed since Debian
testing and many bug reports should have been reported and solved before 
sarge stable was released.

That's Debian's fault not mine.  Thanks again for your efforts,
Leonard


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Printing borderless photos

[Rick Friedman]

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I have an HP PSC 2210 All-In-One printer. I'm able to print documents
and photos on it with no problem except for one. Thus far, I have been
unable to find a way to print borderless 4x6 photos on it from within
Linux. I am able to do this from within Windows but, as I said, haven't
been able to do so yet in Linux.

Does anyone have a solution for this?

Thanks for any help,
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Disassembler

[Christian Christmann]

Hi, 

till now, I've been working with the Windows
"Swiss Army knife" DUMPBIN.

Are there any similar disassembler for Debian?

Thanks
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Japanese input

[Eric P]

I installed Debian a few weeks back in Japanese.

This installed Canna (which correctly starts up as a service on boot).
Also, Kinput (kinput2-canna-wnn) and Freewnn-jserver (not sure what this
does) were installed.

Entering the following 2 commands on the command line (inside X) gets
kinput2 up and running, and any programs ran from this terminal will now
accept Japanese input (if they're capable of such).
$ pidof kinput2 >/dev/null || kinput2 &
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But I'd like to have these commands executed somewhere so Japanese input
is available in X when I log in.

Any suggestions?

Thanks for reading!
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Re: Howto find and remove unused libraries?

[Steve Lamb]

fraz wrote:
> How can I find libraries etc that were installed as dependencies, but
> which currently have no "dependants" installed? IE the package that
> caused apt to install them isn't installed anymore.

Personally I used aptitude for this.  I simply marked the libraries branch
as "M"anaged.  Any that were not a dependancy were removed on the next pass.

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Re: newbie can't install 3.1

[kamaraju kusumanchi]

Dylan Evans wrote:

I don't know much, and figured the best way to learn linux is by 
having it.  Unfortunately, the installation looked like it only half 
succeeded.  The gui won't work, and it won't auto-config my network 
card (I'm often on a big lan, and windows works).  Of that I am 
certain, and other things might not work either.  I'm seeing a lot of 
"blabbedy blah failed to load" or similar in the boot-up process.  
Unfortunately, I can't take screenshots to troubleshoot, because I 
have to reboot to run windows, the OS where I can get on the internet, 
and therefore any possible support.  Any help would be most 
appreciated.  I'm sorry if I'm asking the wrong people, but I just 
haven't seen any newbie faqs or mailing lists.


Thanks
Dan


Hi Dylan
  You have not given us any info to help you. Just saying that it does 
not work, does not solve the problem. Please give us more info. The 
following would be a starting point.


1) From where did you download the installation files?

2) What method are you using to install - floppies/cd images/net 
installation image/usb/remote network ...?


3) What is your hardware? What is your network card? What is the 
configuration of the system? Is it a desktop or laptop?


We can start from there and figure out what the cause of problem really is!

raju


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deskjet plus margins

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hi Debian!!!

In 1990 I bought an HP deskjet plus for $500.
I now build complete systems easily for that price. Anyway.
I just lugged it acrosss the continent and plugged it into Sarge.
Cups knows it.
But it always overflows its margins.

Anybody have a deskjet plus and solved that problem?

Thanks!

Hugo


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a2ps printing .ps files?

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Hi Debian!

Anybody out there printing .ps files with a2ps successfully?

Thanks!

Hugo


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Re: newbie can't install 3.1

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Dylan Evans wrote:
I don't know much, and figured the best way to learn linux is by having 
it.  Unfortunately, the installation looked like it only half 
succeeded.  The gui won't work, and it won't auto-config my network card 
(I'm often on a big lan, and windows works).  Of that I am certain, and 
other things might not work either.  I'm seeing a lot of "blabbedy blah 
failed to load" or similar in the boot-up process.  Unfortunately, I 
can't take screenshots to troubleshoot, because I have to reboot to run 
windows, the OS where I can get on the internet, and therefore any 
possible support.  Any help would be most appreciated.  I'm sorry if I'm 
asking the wrong people, but I just haven't seen any newbie faqs or 
mailing lists.




Dan,

What exactly did you do? In some detail, because the blabbedy blahs 
matter, it tells what happens.


H


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Webcam/Digital Camera not working

[Strake]

I have a Logitech Clicksmart 820, but I don't know how to access it through my computer. I'm running Sarge.-- No place like ~/

Printer problems

[Strake]

I'm running Sarge, and I can't print. My printer's on, and try to print
something but nothing happens. It gets stuck as a job on the spool and
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Re: Printer problems

[Steve Block]

On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 04:35:13PM -0400, Strake wrote:
I'm running Sarge, and I can't print. My printer's on, and try to print 
something but nothing happens. It gets stuck as a job on the spool and 
doesn't print.


Well, what kind of printer?, how is it connected?, what printing system
are you trying to use?, etc. You've got to give a little more
information than "I can't print" or no one will be able to help you.

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Re: I cannot get my X reasonably configured

[Clive Menzies]

On (26/06/05 09:44), Xeno Campanoli wrote:
> X configuration lousy.  Please somebody suggest to me something to make 
> a good X configuration for good graphic hardware.  This xf86config POS 
> just won't do it.

Hi Xeno

Can you be more specific about 'good graphic hardware'.  
The output of
$ lspci
would help.  

And a look at the output of 
$ cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log | grep (EE)

Regards

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Re: a2ps printing .ps files?

[Martin Dickopp]

Hugo Vanwoerkom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Anybody out there printing .ps files with a2ps successfully?

Yes.

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[Fwd: Re: I cannot get my X reasonably configured]

[Xeno Campanoli]

 Original Message 
Subject:Re: I cannot get my X reasonably configured
Date:   Sun, 26 Jun 2005 14:52:00 -0700
From:   Xeno Campanoli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Organization:   FreeSCOTER
To: Clive Menzies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
References: 	<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>




Clive Menzies wrote:


On (26/06/05 09:44), Xeno Campanoli wrote:
 

X configuration lousy.  Please somebody suggest to me something to make 
a good X configuration for good graphic hardware.  This xf86config POS 
just won't do it.
   

I'm sorry if I wasn't clear.  I get X up, but it only displays as this 
grainy mess with three 2inch icons.  Nothing I've done with xf86config, 
nor with edits, seems to make a difference.  Please see that I've tried 
to answer all your questions below, and I've included a URL to the web 
page representing the machine I bought at CompUSA yesterday.  At this 
point, I figure I'll keep trying until next Saturday, and then take it 
back if I can't make it go.  I've not been able to find anything that 
specifies an amount of memory devoted to the video.  I am naively 
assuming it just takes from main memory.  Thank you for any more 
feedback, and for informing me about lspci, which I was ignorant of.




Hi Xeno

Can you be more specific about 'good graphic hardware'.  
 


This URL seems to properly represent my machine:

http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oid=119863&WT.mc_n=4&WT.mc_t=U&com.broadvision.session.new=Yes&BV_UseBVCookie=No


The output of
$ lspci
would help.  
 

I had no idea there was an lspci.  Thank you and please excuse my 
ignorance: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ lspci
:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82865G/PE/P DRAM 
Controller/Host-Hub Inter
:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82865G Integrated 
Graphics D
:00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB 
UHCI #1 (re
:00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB 
UHCI #2 (re
:00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB 
UHCI #3 (re
:00:1d.3 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB 
UHCI #4 (re
:00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) USB2 
EHCI Contr

:00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801 PCI Bridge (rev c2)
:00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) LPC Bridge 
(rev 02)
:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) Ultra 
ATA 100 St
:00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801EB (ICH5) Serial ATA 150 
Storage Co
:00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) SMBus Controller 
(rev 02
:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER 
(ICH5/ICH5R) AC

:01:02.0 Communication controller: Conexant: Unknown device 2f20
:01:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82562EZ 10/100 Ethernet 
Controller


And a look at the output of 
$ cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log | grep (EE)

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /var/log/XFree86.0.log | grep '(EE)'
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
 


Here


(EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice
(EE) Generic Mouse: cannot open input device
(EE) PreInit failed for input device "Generic Mouse"
 

That doesn't make any sense, because The mouse works.  The main symptom 
is I get a grainy configuration (2 inch icons) and no matter what I 
change, it doesn't change the sizing.  There is something regarding the 
configuration, perhaps that it won't talk to the video chipset which is 
on the motherboard, that just won't let X come up as anything but this 
grainy worthless thing with three 2 inch icons.  Here is my XF86config 
(excuse me for including all of it):

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /etc/X11/XF86Config
# File generated by xf86config.

#
# Copyright (c) 1999 by The XFree86 Project, Inc.
#
# Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a
# copy of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"),
# to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation
# the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense,
# and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the
# Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:
#
# The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in
# all copies or substantial portions of the Software.
#
# THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR
# IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY,
# FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT.  IN NO EVENT SHALL
# THE XFREE86 PROJECT BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY,
# WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF
# OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE
# SOFTWARE.
#
# Except as contained in this notice, the name of the XFree86 Project shall
# not be used in advertising or otherwise to promot

Re: Starting Appletalk services...

[Eric P]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Quoting Eric P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
>> "Starting Appletalk services (this may take a while)"
>>
>> Yes, it sure does.  What services are these anyway?  It seems to add
>> 10-15 seconds to boot time on my 1.5 GHz box.
> 
> 
> This is the netatalk service. Which allows your system to act as
> a file server for Mac OS clients. It doesn't matter how fast your system
> is, the nature of afpd will always "...take a while ".
> 
> Just remove it from your rc.d and it won't start on boot up.
> 
Thanks.

I just removed the whole netatalk package.

Eric P.


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Re: [Fwd: Re: I cannot get my X reasonably configured]

[Kent West]

Xeno Campanoli wrote:

> I'm sorry if I wasn't clear.  I get X up, but it only displays as this
> grainy mess with three 2inch icons.  Nothing I've done with xf86config

I haven't uses "xf86config" in years. Is it still a valid tool?

> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ lspci
> :00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82865G Integrated
> Graphics D
>
So, you have an Intel 8xxx integrated chipset. That probably means
you'll need to go into the computer's BIOS and make sure the video RAM
is set to something larger than 1 MB.

>> (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice
>> (EE) Generic Mouse: cannot open input device
>> (EE) PreInit failed for input device "Generic Mouse"
>
> That doesn't make any sense, because The mouse works.

My suspicion it that you're tinkering with the older, "not generally
used anymore except by those who know what they're doing", "XF86Config"
file. Newer versions of X use "XF86Config-4". When you start X, it's
reading the -4 file, and ignoring the tinkering you've been doing.

/dev/input/mice is, I believe, included as a possible mice in the
default XF86Config-4 file as configured by Debian nowadays. There may be
another mouse section also, which is reading your mouse.

>   The main symptom is I get a grainy configuration (2 inch icons) and
> no matter what I change, it doesn't change the sizing.  There is
> something regarding the configuration, perhaps that it won't talk to
> the video chipset which is on the motherboard, that just won't let X
> come up as anything but this grainy worthless thing with three 2 inch
> icons.  Here is my XF86config (excuse me for including all of it):
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /etc/X11/XF86Config

See if you have an "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4" file.

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usb disks

[Paolo Pantaleo]

I installed my brand new version of Debian testing and i discovered
that it manage plugging and unplugging of usb disks and pens
automaticaly and mounts devices in
/media/something.
Now:
1) What program do that?
2) I whant to modifiy the mount options for some devices, i can i do?

THNX
PAolo

Re: newbie can't install 3.1

[Kent West]

Dylan Evans wrote:

> I don't know much, and figured the best way to learn linux is by
> having it.  Unfortunately, the installation looked like it only half
> succeeded.  The gui won't work

At a command prompt, as root, try the commands:

#apt-get install aptitude
#aptitude install x-window-system kde gnome icewm wmaker fluxbox

(This assumes you've got plenty of free drive space, say a couple of
hundred megs. If not, the second command might should be "aptitude
install x-window-system icewm".)

Then try:

#/etc/init.d/kdm start

If that doesn't bring up a graphical login, repeat, and try gdm, or wdm,
or xdm instead of kdm. If none of those work, try "startx".

If all of the above fails to get X working for you, please post the
lines marked with (EE) from /var/log/XFree86.0.log. You can copy this
file to your shared Windows partition (or a Flashfob, floppy, etc) to
get to the file when booted into Windows.

> , and it won't auto-config my network card

What does the network-related line from the output of "lspci" say is its
chipset?

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Re: [Fwd: Re: I cannot get my X reasonably configured]

[Clive Menzies]

On (26/06/05 17:53), Kent West wrote:
> Xeno Campanoli wrote:
> 
> > I'm sorry if I wasn't clear.  I get X up, but it only displays as this
> > grainy mess with three 2inch icons.  Nothing I've done with xf86config
> 
> I haven't uses "xf86config" in years. Is it still a valid tool?
> 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ lspci
> > :00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82865G Integrated
> > Graphics D
> >
> So, you have an Intel 8xxx integrated chipset. That probably means
> you'll need to go into the computer's BIOS and make sure the video RAM
> is set to something larger than 1 MB.
> 
> >> (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice
> >> (EE) Generic Mouse: cannot open input device
> >> (EE) PreInit failed for input device "Generic Mouse"
> >
> > That doesn't make any sense, because The mouse works.
> 
> My suspicion it that you're tinkering with the older, "not generally
> used anymore except by those who know what they're doing", "XF86Config"
> file. Newer versions of X use "XF86Config-4". When you start X, it's
> reading the -4 file, and ignoring the tinkering you've been doing.
> 
> /dev/input/mice is, I believe, included as a possible mice in the
> default XF86Config-4 file as configured by Debian nowadays. There may be
> another mouse section also, which is reading your mouse.
> 
> >   The main symptom is I get a grainy configuration (2 inch icons) and
> > no matter what I change, it doesn't change the sizing.  There is
> > something regarding the configuration, perhaps that it won't talk to
> > the video chipset which is on the motherboard, that just won't let X
> > come up as anything but this grainy worthless thing with three 2 inch
> > icons.  Here is my XF86config (excuse me for including all of it):
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /etc/X11/XF86Config
> 
> See if you have an "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4" file.

Thanks Kent

I was just mulling my next move having ventured out of my depth and wary
of demonstrating my ignorance, when...hey presto I learnt so much more
from your response

Regards

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Re: Disassembler

[Matias Rollan]

On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 09:11:27PM +0200, Christian Christmann wrote:
> Hi, 
> 
> till now, I've been working with the Windows
> "Swiss Army knife" DUMPBIN.
> 
> Are there any similar disassembler for Debian?

I don't know "DUMPBIN" but you could disassemble object code by using

$ objdump -d file.o

Hope it helps
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Re: Printer problems

[Strake]

On 6/26/05, Steve Block <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 04:35:13PM -0400, Strake wrote:>I'm running Sarge, and I can't print. My printer's on, and try to print>something but nothing happens. It gets stuck as a job on the spool and>doesn't print.
Well, what kind of printer?, how is it connected?, what printing systemare you trying to use?, etc. You've got to give a little moreinformation than "I can't print" or no one will be able to help you.
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Srry.

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Re: Disassembler

[John Hasler]

Christian Christmann wrote:
> Are there any similar disassembler for Debian?

toncho/~ 1 apt-cache search disassembler
biew - console hex viewer/editor with disassembler
gputils - GNU PIC utilities
nasm - General-purpose x86 assembler
pnet - DotGNU C# compiler, runtime, (dis)assembler
pnet-compiler - DotGNU Portable.NET C# compiler & tools

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Sarge configuration: adding a sound card

[dasa]

Greetings Debian users,

First off, I've upgraded to Sarge over the weekend, and the install went
smoothly.  I actually I reinstalled due to variety of factors, and didn't
encounter the possible upgrade problems that was mentioned in in the
development announcement list.  Kudos to Debian team, with special mention
to the installer team.

With that out of the way, I have added a sound card after the installation,
and am puzzled as to how the sound support plumbing is implemented in Sarge.
The card is Creative PCI128, and I am using kernel 2.4.27-2 with the driver
es1371.

I think, during Sarge install, the installer asked coupla questions about
sound support, but at the time, the machine did not have sound card, so I
answered something like "no sound" (not quite sure what my reponses were).
Now, I added the card, and I am noticing two things:

1. CD Player (from X/GNOME) is able to put out output, but the volume is
rather low, and my Volume Control tells me there is no mixer/device
available.

2. XMMS, when trying to play mp3 stream, complains about sound card
configuration, including blockage and output plug-in.

My guess is that there is a layer of software packages that abstract the
access to sound card, but I am unfortunately ignorant of recent sound
support in Debian/Linux space.  What are the packages I should install?  Any
pointers/tips as to their configuration would be much appreciated as well.

Also, more general questions:  What is the debian installer that I can run
in instances like this, to ease configuration when hardware profile has been
updated after the initial installation?

Hope you don't find this long questions too annoying.  Any
information/tip/help would be appreciated.  Thanks.

Dasa


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Announcing a new book: The Debian System -- Concepts and Techniques

[martin f krafft]

Dear all,

I am pleased to announce the availability of my new (English) book
"The Debian System", which Open Source Press[0] introduced at the
Linuxtag 2005. I would like to thank all who have followed its
development over the last year, and apologise for the delay and the
long wait you have endured. As opposed to the initially planned 350
pages, I am proud to offer a total of 608 now, so the wait wasn't
for nothing. You can find more information about the book on its web
site[1].

  0. http://www.opensourcepress.de [German only -- for now]
  1. http://debianbook.info

The book is not a regular user's handbook, but rather a book for
people who want to understand and make more out of their Debian
installation(s). It explains the systems's (and project's) concepts
and analyses the techniques that make up the Debian Way of system
administration -- you will not find any discussion of Linux tools or
concepts, graphical desktop environments, server software, or user
programmes in here! Just 608 pages of pure Debian, written for the
Linux/Unix administrators switching to Debian and existing Debian
users alike.

In addition to examples and common pitfalls, the book explains just
why the Debian developers chose certain approaches over others. As
it explores the motivations behind the Debian solutions, the reader
is given a peek at the level of experience and sophistication that
has flowed into the various system components, and s/he learns to
embrace their elegance. This book aims to be the resource on Debian
GNU/Linux as well as an enticing companion on one's path towards
advanced Debian administration.

The hardcover edition will be available in stores in the beginning
of July. A list of online shops stocking it is kept up to date on
the web site[2] (please let me know which ones I'm missing).

  2. http://debiansystem.info/order

An announcement mailing list[3] exists, as well as an RSS feed[4] of
updates (errata & changes), news and events related to the book, and
quotes about it. There is even a forum[5] (currently based on
experimental software though).

  3. http://lists.madduck.net/mailman/listinfo/debianbook-announce
  4. http://debiansystem.info/updates/RSS
  5. http://debiansystem.info/readers/forum

I would herewith also like to thank all who have made this book
possible: all contributors to the Debian project, and each one of
the individuals who have worked on parts of the text with me to get
it to where it is now. I am also greatly indebted to my publisher,
Open Source Press[6], who has simply spoiled me with this first book
of mine.

  6. http://www.opensourcepress.de [German only -- for now]

I am also greatly indebted to the Zope[7], Plone[8], and Apache[9]
projects for the products that power the book's web site.

  7. http://www.zope.org
  8. http://www.plone.org
  9. http://httpd.apache.org

I appreciate if people would spread the word about this book. If you
would be willing to link to the book's pages from your web site,
please see [10]. Also, feel free to forward this message verbatim.

  10. http://debiansystem.info/public

Thanks for your attention.

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Re: [Fwd: Re: I cannot get my X reasonably configured]

[Kent West]

Xeno Campanoli wrote:

> Kent West wrote:
>
>> Xeno Campanoli wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>>> I'm sorry if I wasn't clear.  I get X up, but it only displays as this
>>> grainy mess with three 2inch icons.  Nothing I've done with xf86config
>>>   
>>
>>
>> I haven't uses "xf86config" in years. Is it still a valid tool?
>>  
>>
> I guess not.  But I'd like to know what the name of the right tool is...?

Unless the file has been manually tweaked, "dpkg-reconfigure
xserver-xfree86" or "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common" is probably what
you want, depending on which part of X you're reconfiguring.

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Re: SoundCard Problem - soundcard working now

[ankur . kumar]

my soundcard is working now.
i installed new kernel image: apt-get install kernel-image-2.4-686, which is Linux kernel image for version 2.4 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4.
then i installed alsa: apt-get install alsa
and run alsaconf








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tried compiling latest alsa source...downloaded kernel source ... 
but make doesn't work ...complains about some memory allocation issues, in coda.h and some other header files.. 
any ideas???






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En/La [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha escrit, a 22/06/05 04:30:
> 

> dmesg shows:
> i810: SiS found at IO:0x9000 0x9400..
> i810_audio: Audio Controller supports 6 channels
> i810_audio: defaults to 2 channel mode
> i810_audio: resetting connection 0

> > alsa wasn't installed, I got it installed and ran "alsaconf".
>>
>> It couldn't find any PCI or any other driver. I got integrated sound card
>> with motherboard.
>> That could be the reason.
>>
>> Tried 'cat /etc/sndstat' , but doesn't display anything.
>>
>> Checked '/etc/modules.conf', alsa has put alsa-related sound card aliases
>> into it.

>>
>> here is lspci result...
>> :00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]
>> Sound Controller (rev a0)
It would help if you could confirm that your card has an Intel chip set.
Assuming it does, the alsa driver ought to be snd_intel8x0. You can find
instructions here:
http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php?company=SiS&card=SiS+745.&chip=SI7012&module=intel8x0
You may want to download the latest version of alsa-drivers and compile
them yourself (you'll need your kernel-image and kernel-source to do this).
Cheers,
Jonathan

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Re: Printer problems

[hacker]

On 6/26/05, Strake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  HP PSC 1350 all-in-one. Connected using USB. I tried printing with both lpr
> and Firefox (neither works).

Are you using cups?  Did you install the cupsys-client in addition to
the cupsys package?

Could be a permission problem with your /dev/usb/lp0 port .. try
'chmod 666 /dev/usb/lp0' and see if that helps.  Also, you can
'adduser  lpadmin' and reboot.  If you're running a 2.6
kernel with udev enabled, you'll have to modify some
/etc/udev/..files.. to get the changed permissions to come back on the
next boot.

regards,

Trash

[David R. Litwin]

I use Debian Sarge, KDE 3.4.1. When I upgraded my KDE, for some
reason, it gave me two Trash cans. Both did not work, so I got rid of
the one that was less likely to be the one (I. E., I picked one and
got rid of it). However, the Trash still does not work. When I try to
chuck some thing in to it, it says:

Could not start proccess Unables to create io-slave:
klauncher said: Unknown protocol 'trash'.
.

On the Desktop, when I try to enter the trash folder, it says: Wait.
I've got two trash cans again. One is trash.dektop and one is Trash.
Both do not work. Both have the same url: trash:/ . What can I do?

P. S.: I still have that PPP1 problem.

Thanks in advance.

My fingers that type.


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svc: bad direction 268435456, dropping request

[Hendrik Boom]

I keep getting the following message showing up on my root consoles:

> svc: bad direction 268435456, dropping request

It's been a nuisance during upgrade, because when aptitude decides to
ask me a configuration question while I'm eating dinner, sometimes
the question is hopelessly obscured by the time I have to answer it.
I can only hope the question wasn't really important and press return.
(sometimes control-L helps.  Sometimes not).

What is svc?
What piece of the system emits this?
What kind of requests are being processed?
Is it a problem I can fix?
Or should I just find a way of redirecting
the message to a safer place?
I'm using kernel vmlinuz-2.4.16-586.  Would a newer kernel help?

I googled, and found several discussions that seemed to ask
nore thatn answer.  The only ultimate cause I found rumoured
as a possibility as a LAN with duplicate IP numbers.  I don't
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Re: Howto find and remove unused libraries?

[fraz]

Jochen Schulz wrote:

fraz:


[...] For future reference is there a better way to remove packages so
the unused dependencies are also removed?



If you use aptitude to install packages, it will remember which packages
have been installed just because something you really wanted depended on
it. If you decide to remove that package later, it will remove its
dependencies as well (if there aren't other packages still depending on
it).

Beware that aptitude in its default configuration always treats
packages' recommends as if they were dependencies. You can easily switch
it off in the options menu when starting aptitude with no arguments.

J.


I'll give aptitude another go in the future. I gave up on higher level 
tools after experiencing deselect (back in the days of potato). I found 
apt-get and dpkg much simpler. :) debfoster and wajig also look useful.


Thanks everyone.
Fraz


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Re: [Fwd: Re: I cannot get my X reasonably configured] - problem solved / thanks everyone for the help

[Xeno Campanoli]

Kent West wrote:


I guess not.  But I'd like to know what the name of the right tool is...?
   



Unless the file has been manually tweaked, "dpkg-reconfigure
xserver-xfree86" or "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common" is probably what
you want, depending on which part of X you're reconfiguring.

 

I actually just ran something Phil Hughes dug up called dexconf, which 
is probably part of the sequence you suggest above, and after also 
inserting the correct mouse device into the correct file I got things 
going.  I don't know if it was the former, the latter, or both actions 
that got me there, but my workstation has a completely reasonably 
looking desktop at this point.


Thanks to all for the feedback.

Sincerely, Xeno


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Freeze (system or just USB subsystem) on USB access

[Carl Fink]

My current Testing box has two symptoms, both of which I've seen for months.

One, any attempt to USB sync my Palm Tungsten T3 freezes the machine within
a few seconds.

Two, copying files to or deleting files from a USB-mounted drive freezes the
USB subsystem.  Sometimes I get nothing in the logs, sometimes this:

Jun 26 22:24:21 localhost kernel: SCSI error : <0 0 0 2> return code = 0x802
Jun 26 22:24:21 localhost kernel: Current sdc: sense key Hardware Error
Jun 26 22:24:21 localhost kernel: Additional sense: Data phase error
Jun 26 22:24:21 localhost kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev sdc, sector 238
Jun 26 22:24:21 localhost kernel: lost page write due to I/O error on sdc1

The above repeats many times.  

After the above messages appear (or even when they don't) the process trying
to use the USB freezes.  It doesn't become a zombie, it's just in an
unkillable wait state. Apparently the USB never returns some signal it's
looking for.

I tried upgrading my kernel from 2.6.8 to 2.6.11-1 (Debian version for K7)
in the hope that it was a kernel problem.  If so, it isn't fixed in that
upgrade.

I've swapped my USB hub out, so that isn't likely to be it.

The very same USB peripherals work fine on my other Debian Testing system, a
laptop.

I suspect hardware, but I thought I'd ask the assembled minds here if
there's any other software stuff I should try before pricing motherboards.

Thanks.
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Whats up

[dwadina]

Who is this and why are you e-mailing me 



 

Re: annoying iptables messages

[Bob Proulx]

Jeff Elkins wrote:
> I'm trying to rid myself of annoying iptables messages that are clogging up 
> the console and dmesg.

The Linux kernel default console logging is 8 so that all messages are
logged to the console.  At least one other distro sets this to 3 in
/etc/syscontrol/init and so users there never see console messages.

A firewall on the Internet today is always flooded with probes.
People are always pulling on the door and trying to lift the windows.
The logging to the console causes messages to be printed on the
console so often that it is virtually useless.  This is arguably a
system policy decision.

Debian does not make this policy anywhere else that I can find and the
system uses the Linux kernel default.  Using the kernel default is
arguably a safe choice for the system but possibly unpleasant for the
user of the kernel.  This is not normally an issue but when running an
active firewall it does tend to flood the console with information.

I am using shorewall, a very nice firewall packge.  I highly recommend it.
Therefore I always set the following in the '/etc/shorewall/init'
shorewall init file to set the console logging level to something a
little more quiet.  This avoids logging packet messages to the
console.  They are still logged normally to syslog.  I prefer
KERN_NOTICE level 5.  Setting it to 3 would pretty much turn off
console messages.

  dmesg -n5

You can find the kernel logging levels in the linux/kernel.h file.

  #define KERN_EMERG   "<0>" /* system is unusable*/
  #define KERN_ALERT   "<1>" /* action must be taken immediately  */
  #define KERN_CRIT"<2>" /* critical conditions   */
  #define KERN_ERR "<3>" /* error conditions  */
  #define KERN_WARNING "<4>" /* warning conditions*/
  #define KERN_NOTICE  "<5>" /* normal but significant condition  */
  #define KERN_INFO"<6>" /* informational */
  #define KERN_DEBUG   "<7>" /* debug-level messages  */

Bob


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Re: Freeze (system or just USB subsystem) on USB access

[Carl Fink]

Supplemental.

Hardware detection reports

VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82x UHCI USB 1.1 Controller

as my on-motherboard USB controller.  It's part of my old, old Biostar M7VKL
motherboard. 

Also, whenever the USB subsystem freezes, "shutdown -h" and "halt" fail to
do anything.  They themselves send out the warning message, then go into a
noninterruptable wait state.  Annoying.
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Re: Three short apt/dpkg questions

[Bob Proulx]

Thomas Adam wrote:
> > 2. Is there a way to ask the system which package owns a specific 
> > installed file?
> 
> dpkg -S file

Even faster:

  dlocate file

  apt-cache show dlocate

Very nice.

Bob


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Re: bash not running ~/.bash_profile

[Bob Proulx]

James Buchanan wrote:
> For some reason my ~/.bash_profile and ~/.bashrc are not being executed 
> by bash.  Is there some way I can fix this problem?

Under what circumstances?  I will assume you are trying to log into
kdm, gdm, or xdm as that seems typical for people asking your
question.

If you search the mailing list archive for xsession you will find lots
of previous discussion about it.  But it seems to have been a while.
Even though I use fvwm myself I am going to answer this as if it were
a kde user.  It is all the same, really.

You can have your .bash_profile environment by starting a login shell.
Create ~/.xsession with the following:

  #!/bin/bash --login
  exec x-session-manager # or gnome-session or startkde or fvwm or whatever.

Make sure it is executable or it will have no effect.

  chmod a+x ~/.xsession

Then when you log into kdm or gdm or xdm be sure to select "default"
for the session type.  That will run the ~/.xsession as a script and
it will read your ~/.bash_profile and launch your window manager and
everything will inherit.

You can stop reading now.  But for those interested in further details
here is some more low level information.

This is by the design of the KDE folks upstream.  Please see this KDE
FAQ entry.

  http://www.kde.org/documentation/faq/configure.html#id2913380

  9.7.  KDE (kdm) does not read my .bash_profile!".  The login
managers xdm and kdm do not run a login shell, so .profile,
.bash_profile, etc. are not sourced.  When the user logs in,
xdm runs Xstartup as root and then Xsession as user.  So the
normal practice is to add statements in Xsession to source the
user profile.  Please edit your Xsession and .xsession files.

I don't particularly like the way KDM/KDE is set up in this regard.
But changes should happen upstream in order to change and improve this
situation.

martin f krafft previously posted a bug against kdm and there has been
some discussion logged.  I just posted a summary of the various d-u
discussions there.

  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=250765

I like the technique of using #!/bin/bash for Xsession and then using
'exec -l' to start the shell.  It seems like a better solution than
~/.xsession using a login shell.  It promotes compatibility between
distros.  It solves a long running problem for newbies.  It loads the
login environment regardless of using [gkx]dm 'default' or selecting a
specific window manager.

Now that sarge is out it would be good to drive on this again.  But
soon there will be the transition to x.org packages.  So I will hold
myself back until I can look to see how the x.org packages are
organized.  That would be the place to fix this if it needs fixing
there.

Bob


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Re: where is zlib?

[Bob Proulx]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On finding no deb package for GRASS (GIS s/w) 6.0 version, I tried to 
> compile it from source. On giving "./configure" it says header file for 
> zlib not found. I could correct that. Then it says "zlib" not found. I 
> tried to find out its location, but could not. On giving following:
> [...]
> | checking for deflate in -lz... no
> | configure: error: *** Unable to locate zlib library.
> "zlib" has to be there, as I am using GRASS 6.0 Beta version on my 
> existing installation.

You probably have not installed the header files needed to compile
against it and probably only have the runtime libraries.  Install the
packge like this.

  aptitude install zlib1g-dev

Bob


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Re: Setting MAILTO to various address in the same crontab?

[Bob Proulx]

Adam Funk wrote:
> Another thing I was wondering: is it possible to change the mailing
> address for one at job?

I usually just mail the output in the at job itself.

  echo "echo test | mailx -s test $(whoami)' | at now + 1 minute
  echo "echo reminder | mailx -s reminder $(whoami)' | at 8 am
  echo "{ echo stuff; echo more stuff ;} | mailx -s stuff $(whoami)' | at 10:30 
am next wednesday

Bob


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Re: Setting MAILTO to various address in the same crontab?

[Bob Proulx]

Bob Proulx wrote:
> Adam Funk wrote:
> > Another thing I was wondering: is it possible to change the mailing
> > address for one at job?
> 
> I usually just mail the output in the at job itself.
> 
>   echo "echo test | mailx -s test $(whoami)' | at now + 1 minute
>   echo "echo reminder | mailx -s reminder $(whoami)' | at 8 am
>   echo "{ echo stuff; echo more stuff ;} | mailx -s stuff $(whoami)' | at 
> 10:30 am next wednesday

Let me correct my quotation mistakes there.

  echo "echo test | mailx -s test $(whoami)" | at now + 1 minute
  echo "echo reminder | mailx -s reminder $(whoami)" | at 8 am
  echo "{ echo stuff; echo more stuff ;} | mailx -s stuff $(whoami)" | at 10:30 
am next wednesday

Bob


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Re: DRM failure with ATI radeon 9200 and Kernel 2.6

[Terry Hancock]

Daniel Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 6/26/05, Terry Hancock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hardware acceleration (DRI) is not working with my ATI Radeon 9200 card
>> on a fresh install of Debian Sarge (3.1), using the AMD 64 build of Kernel 
>> 2.6.
>
> I have a radeon 8500, and it works with  a fresh install of  sarge with a  
> 2.6.8 kernel. 
> That is a  similar  card  I  think.  I don't remember if I had to manually 
> uncomment the
> dri, and glx lines in the config file. 
>
>>From /var/log/XFree86.0.log I'm seeing this message:
>>"""
>>(II) RADEON(0): [drm] drmSetBusid failed (5, PCI:1:0:0), Invalid argument
>>(EE) RADEON(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed.  Disabling DRI.
>> """
>
> Could you have the busid wrong?

Well, I suppose, but this is all automatic.  To my knowledge, I haven't
specified it anywhere.  One thing bothers me a little --- this is an AGP card,
why is the bus id a PCI specification?  Is that part normal?

There is a series of lines in the XFree86.0.log file which appears to show the
autodetection process:
"""
drmOpenDevice: minor is 0
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (Unknown error 999)
drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (Unknown error 999)
drmOpenDevice: Open failed
drmOpenDevice: minor is 0
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (Unknown error 999)
drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (Unknown error 999)
drmOpenDevice: Open failed
drmOpenDevice: minor is 0
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0
drmOpenDevice: open result is 5, (OK)
drmOpenDevice: minor is 1
drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card1
drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device)
drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device)
drmOpenDevice: Open failed
"""
(I've included some failures for context -- there's a dozen or so failed
combinations, and only the one device at /dev/dri/card0 found.  One
odd thing -- what is the difference between the first 3 attempts? They
all look like they are using the same parameters to reach /dev/dri/card0,
but only the last one fails.  Is that normal?  Why "Unknown error"
instead of "No such device"?)

> Did you check it against lspci?
I have done so now. ;-)  
Here's the relevant lines:
"""
:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 
9200] (rev 01)
:01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200] 
(Secondary) (rev 01)
"""

I'm a little uncertain about how to read the bus ids here, but they look 
plausible.  Maybe
it should read PCI:1:0:1 or PCI:0:1:0?  Even if I want to change this, though, 
where do I
put the information?  Is there a line in XF86Config-4 for this?  I suppose I 
can try to
set these with "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" -- I'm pretty sure there is 
an option to
specify the bus.  But what should I tell it, if this isn't right?

> Or maybe just the syntax of that line wrong?

Um, which line?  Again, I don't know where this would be specified.  A syntax 
error
sounds promising, but I don't know where to look for it.  ISTM, whatever syntax 
is
being used is being created by the driver software?

I'm willing to go to a new driver or whatever if that's required, but this 
looks like a
very minor problem --- it seems like there *ought* to be something I can specify
somewhere to make this behave.

I'm also looking at the Gatos project and the Debugging DRI page:
http://gatos.sourceforge.net/dri-debug.php

but it appears to me that this would involve compiling and installing new 
drivers,
which means getting kernel-headers and so on.  I'd like to avoid that if 
there's a
simple configuration solution (which I'd likely have to solve anyway, even for 
new
drivers).

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Re: usb disks

[Ms Linuz]

Paolo Pantaleo wrote:

>I installed my brand new version of Debian testing and i discovered
>that it manage plugging and unplugging of usb disks and pens
>automaticaly and mounts devices in
>/media/something.
>Now:
>1) What program do that?
>  
>
Hotplug, udev, discover.

>2) I whant to modifiy the mount options for some devices, i can i do?
>
>THNX
>PAolo
>
>  
>
Udev ...
1. Go to your /usr/share/doc/udev to find some informations.
2. You could also search this list for similiar topic.
3. http://udev.org
   http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html
   http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ.html
   Or googling around
  
   Happy playing . :-)

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Sound problem: My green output jack doesn't relay any data.

[Xeno Campanoli]

I've got three jacks together on my T3985 (Celeron system with all the 
stuff in the motherboard):


   My new debian system doesn't relay any sound to my speakers.  I've 
tried two sets of speakers, and both sets work on my other system's cd 
drive jack.  The sound plug area in the back of my new system has three 
holes, and the "line out" output is the same green plastic as the male 
part on the wire to the speakers.  The other two holes say MIC (orange) 
and "line out" (light blue).  Another system I recently tried to install 
linux on also could not put sound out and it also had the same three 
jack holes (apparently that's popular now?).  I wonder if the driver 
expects only one or two holes and is confused by seeing three?


I've looked at some postings about problems like this, and none seems to 
match mine exactly.  One said the guy could play on root, but I tried 
that with cdplay start on this, and it still didn't make noise.  I'm not 
sure what else to look for.


I think the special files are /dev/dsp*,  and I changed these to 
protection 666.  I run CD Player
to test the sound and it runs and identifies a Duke Ellington CD, but 
the sound just don't come out even though it shows the CD playing.


I'm not sure if the drivers for audio are all there.  The only thing I 
see is something called "soundcore", but perhaps that's all that's needed:


joehill:~# lsmod
Module  Size  Used byNot tainted
soundcore   3268   0  (autoclean)
input   3040   0  (autoclean)
i830   57852   2
agpgart39108  11  (autoclean)
apm 8428   1  (autoclean)
parport_pc 19432   1  (autoclean)
lp  5540   0  (autoclean)
parport21608   1  (autoclean) [parport_pc lp]
joehill:~# lsmod
Module  Size  Used byNot tainted
soundcore   3268   0  (autoclean)
input   3040   0  (autoclean)
i830   57852   2
agpgart39108  11  (autoclean)
apm 8428   1  (autoclean)
parport_pc 19432   1  (autoclean)
lp  5540   0  (autoclean)
parport21608   1  (autoclean) [parport_pc lp]
af_packet  11048   1  (autoclean)
usb-storage54496   0  (unused)
ehci-hcd   14764   0  (unused)
usb-uhci   19504   0  (unused)
usbcore52268   1  [usb-storage ehci-hcd usb-uhci]
ide-scsi8272   0
e100   42868   1
sd_mod 10764   0  (unused)
scsi_mod   86052   3  [usb-storage ide-scsi sd_mod]
ide-cd 27072   0
cdrom  26212   0  [ide-cd]
rtc 5768   0  (autoclean)
ext3   65388   5  (autoclean)
jbd34628   5  (autoclean) [ext3]
ide-detect   288   0  (autoclean) (unused)
piix7784   2  (autoclean)
ide-disk   12448   6  (autoclean)
ide-core   91832   6  (autoclean) [usb-storage ide-scsi 
ide-cd ide-detect piix ide-disk]

unix   12752 221  (autoclean)
joehill:~ #

Thank you for any feedback. 


Sincerely, Xeno

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Re: DRM failure with ATI radeon 9200 and Kernel 2.6

[Daniel Johnson]

Well, I suppose, but this is all automatic.  To my knowledge, I haven'tspecified it anywhere.  One thing bothers me a little --- this is an AGP card,
why is the bus id a PCI specification?  Is that part normal?
I think there might be an autoconfiguration script that creates the
config file with the bus ID in it.  My usual way to create a
sample config is to run 
# X -configure
Which is asking X itself to probe instead of doing something like use
discover, or whatever other methods may be around.  I think agp is
more like PCI with a bunch of extensions to it than a completely
different infrastructure, so showing up as a PCI bus slot isn't that
weird.  I think that you can tell it in the config to treat it
like an AGP instead of as a PCI.  > Did you check it against lspci?I have done so now. ;-)
Here's the relevant lines:""":01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200] (rev 01):01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200] (Secondary) (rev 01)
"""I'm a little uncertain about how to read the bus ids here, but they look plausible.  Maybeit should read PCI:1:0:1 or PCI:0:1:0?  Even if I want to change this, though, where do Iput the information?  Is there a line in XF86Config-4 for this?  I suppose I can try to
set these with "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" -- I'm pretty sure there is an option tospecify the bus.  But what should I tell it, if this isn't right?
I have a multihead setup, and you can't avoid the bus ID's, and I have
yet to see a multihead config program.  You might not be able to
avoid reading the docs.  They are big, and complicated. 
Sometimes the setup debian gives you isn't enough.  
> Or maybe just the syntax of that line wrong?Um, which line?  Again, I don't know where this would be specified.  A syntax error
sounds promising, but I don't know where to look for it.  ISTM, whatever syntax isbeing used is being created by the driver software?I'm willing to go to a new driver or whatever if that's required, but this looks like a
very minor problem --- it seems like there *ought* to be something I can specifysomewhere to make this behave.
Yeah look for the stuff about bus ID, and make sure it is loading the right driver.  
I'm also looking at the Gatos project and the Debugging DRI page:
http://gatos.sourceforge.net/dri-debug.phpbut it appears to me that this would involve compiling and installing new drivers,which means getting kernel-headers and so on.  I'd like to avoid that if there's a
simple configuration solution (which I'd likely have to solve anyway, even for newdrivers).
The Gatos  project  covers  different 
stuff.   That is more about accessing other features of ATI
cards.  You don't need it to display to a monitor, and technically
if you don't care about acceleration you can use a generic VESA
driver.  

switch language

[roberto]

hello

someone has upgraded the distro in a pc i currently use but unfortunately he 
chose the wrong
languages for some applications like aptitude or mc,
i want to switch back to english, how can i do this?

thak you!

Roberto






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Re: Sound problem: My green output jack doesn't relay any data.

[Jonathan Kaye]

En/La Xeno Campanoli ha escrit, a 27/06/05 07:50:
> I've got three jacks together on my T3985 (Celeron system with all the
> stuff in the motherboard):
> 
>My new debian system doesn't relay any sound to my speakers.  I've
> tried two sets of speakers, and both sets work on my other system's cd
> drive jack.  The sound plug area in the back of my new system has three
> holes, and the "line out" output is the same green plastic as the male
> part on the wire to the speakers.  The other two holes say MIC (orange)
> and "line out" (light blue).  Another system I recently tried to install
> linux on also could not put sound out and it also had the same three
> jack holes (apparently that's popular now?).  I wonder if the driver
> expects only one or two holes and is confused by seeing three?
> 
> I've looked at some postings about problems like this, and none seems to
> match mine exactly.  One said the guy could play on root, but I tried
> that with cdplay start on this, and it still didn't make noise.  I'm not
> sure what else to look for.
> 
> I think the special files are /dev/dsp*,  and I changed these to
> protection 666.  I run CD Player
> to test the sound and it runs and identifies a Duke Ellington CD, but
> the sound just don't come out even though it shows the CD playing.
> 
> I'm not sure if the drivers for audio are all there.  The only thing I
> see is something called "soundcore", but perhaps that's all that's needed:

Dear Xeno,
I'm running Debian Etch and have a similar 3 plug arrangement in back.
One for the mike and sound left, sound right. It might help if you gave
us a bit of info on your system. Which Debian are you running? Have you
 installed alsa (lots of postings about how to do that). The more info
you give the easier it is to help.
Jonathan

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Re: SoundCard Problem - soundcard working now

[Jonathan Kaye]

En/La [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha escrit, a 27/06/05 03:20:
> 
> my soundcard is working now.

That's great news Ankur. congrats! Any reason why you're using such an
old kernel? (2.4). Kernel 2.6.8 is quite stable and has alsa built in.
Maybe it will save you some hassles in the future.
Cheers,
Jonathan


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Re: switch language

[Alvin Oga]

On Mon, 27 Jun 2005, roberto wrote:

> hello
> 
> someone has upgraded the distro in a pc i currently use but unfortunately he 
> chose the wrong
> languages for some applications like aptitude or mc,
> i want to switch back to english, how can i do this?

#
# source ~/.il8n.en
#
# Reset to English
#
#
# 15-Nov-01 amo Date-of-Birth
#
#
export LANG=en_us
#
unset LANGUAGE
unset LC_ALL
unset LC_CTYPE
unset ENC
unset XIM
unset XMODIFIERS
#
#
#
# end of file

c ya
alvin


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