Re: erased iPod software

[Joerg Rossdeutscher]

Hi,

Am Freitag, den 24.12.2004, 23:24 + schrieb Thomas McLean:

> If you find the correct key sequence can you please post it here!

Resetting the iPod removes the data. Since my iPod is fine (beside the
wrong OS is running on it :-) ) I will not even try. Sorry.

Bye,
Ratti


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Re: erased iPod software

[Robert Vangel]

To reset, hold menu+play/pause for about 10 secs
(guessing.. http://www.ipodlounge.com/faqs_more.php?id=1597_0_10_0_C)
Jules Dubois wrote:
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:58:21 +0200, George Iordanou wrote:

Unfortunately the ipod won't start since i erased its software. Any 
ideas how to restore it?

The drive's filesystem may be toast but the firmware is intact. I think
the iPod manual-ettes come with instructions to reset the device.
If not, the iPod weenies web site, http://www.ipodlounge.com, certainly
has the information somewhere.  (Annoying Advertisement Alert: the site
uses numerous animated GIFs and Flash animations.)



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Re: erased iPod software [SOLVED]

[George Iordanou]

Thanks a lot, everything is fine now. The key combination was to trun  
the "hold" button off, on and again off. You've been extremely helpful, 
i guess this is the magic of the open community. Thanks a lot!

Best regards,
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What is wrong with debian X windows?

[Hantsy Bai]

Package: xserver-xfree86
Version: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-8
  
$ uname -a
Linux debian 2.6.8-1-k7 #1 Thu Nov 25 04:13:37 UTC 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
$ locale
LANG=zh_CN.UTF-8
LC_CTYPE="zh_CN.UTF-8"
LC_NUMERIC="zh_CN.UTF-8"
LC_TIME="zh_CN.UTF-8"
LC_COLLATE="zh_CN.UTF-8"
LC_MONETARY="zh_CN.UTF-8"
LC_MESSAGES="zh_CN.UTF-8"
LC_PAPER="zh_CN.UTF-8"
LC_NAME="zh_CN.UTF-8"
LC_ADDRESS="zh_CN.UTF-8"
LC_TELEPHONE="zh_CN.UTF-8"
LC_MEASUREMENT="zh_CN.UTF-8"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="zh_CN.UTF-8"
LC_ALL=

Some java tools crashed when i profermed "Drag and Draw" action,such as 
Bea Weblogic 8sp4 workshop,Sun java Studio Creator. But it works well in 
Redhat 9,and Ubuntu(xserver-xfree86 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6ubuntu)

When its crashed ,a hotspot log file in my home directory.
It like this...
An unexpected exception has been detected in native code outside the VM.
Unexpected Signal : 11 occurred at PC=0x521480C5
Function=XtScreenDatabase+0x75
Library=/usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6
Current Java thread:
   at sun.awt.motif.MToolkit.run(Native Method)
   at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:534)
Dynamic libraries:
08048000-0804e000 r-xp  03:0c 39253  
/home/hantsy/Creator/java/bin/java
0804e000-0804f000 rw-p 5000 03:0c 39253  
/home/hantsy/Creator/java/bin/java
4000-40016000 r-xp  03:09 11243  /lib/ld-2.3.2.so
40016000-40017000 rw-p 00015000 03:09 11243  /lib/ld-2.3.2.so
40027000-40034000 r-xp  03:09 179
/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libpthread-0.60.so
40034000-40035000 rw-p d000 03:09 179
/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libpthread-0.60.so
40038000-4003a000 r-xp  03:09 123
/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl-2.3.2.so
40038000-4003a000 r-xp  03:09 123
/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl-2.3.2.so
4003a000-4003b000 rw-p 1000 03:09 123
/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libdl-2.3.2.so
4003b000-4016b000 r-xp  03:09 121
/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc-2.3.2.so
4016b000-40173000 rw-p 0012f000 03:09 121
/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc-2.3.2.so
40177000-40572000 r-xp  03:0c 39312  
/home/hantsy/Creator/java/jre/lib/i386/client/libjvm.so
40572000-4058d000 rw-p 003fa000 03:0c 39312  
/home/hantsy/Creator/java/jre/lib/i386/client/libjvm.so
405af000-405c1000 r-xp  03:09 126
/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libnsl-2.3.2.so
405c1000-405c2000 rw-p 00011000 03:09 126
/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libnsl-2.3.2.so
405c4000-405e6000 r-xp  03:09 124
/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libm-2.3.2.so
405e6000-405e7000 rw-p 00022000 03:09 124
/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libm-2.3.2.so
405e7000-405ef000 r-xp  03:0c 39306  
/home/hantsy/Creator/java/jre/lib/i386/native_threads/libhpi.so
405ef000-405f rw-p 7000 03:0c 39306  
/home/hantsy/Creator/java/jre/l
..

I think there is a problem with X windows...

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Re: erased iPod software [SOLVED]

[George Iordanou]

Thanks a lot, everything is fine now. The key combination was to trun
the "hold" button off, on and again off, then i pressed "Menu" and 
"Play" button together for about 10 secs. You've been extremely helpful,
i guess this is the magic of the open community. Thanks a lot!

Best regards,
George
PS. Sorry for posting the same message again.
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no kdm after upgrade to sarge

[jianan1]

Hi,
My system cannot go into kdm after I upgraded from 'stable' to 'testing'. The 
documents in '/usr/share/doc' do not offer any help. Seem to be out-of-date.
After what seems like ages following login, gnome screen appears. Windows can 
be opened but not sized or moved about.
Help!

thks


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Re: {advocay] Linspire machine

[Katipo]

stan wrote:
 I bought a machine with Linspire preloaded on it today. Nice machien,
 and cheaper than I could build it. A bit short on RAM, and the CD is
 a reader only (no CD writer or DVD). But great value for the $299.
 Reading through the manual that comes with it, I find no information
 as to how to use the preloaded software, but quite a bit of
 nformation relative to wiping it and installing various flabors of M$
 OS'es.
 Here's my concern. It appears that the promary intent of this is not
 to encourage the new users that might buy this amchine to learn to
 use Linux, but instead a way to sell them a machine W/O the M% tax,
 and encourage them to load a pirated copy of a M$ OS on it.
 This really seems like a bad light to cast the Linux comunity in,
 IMHO.
 What are otheres prespective on this?
I assume you have at least mailed Linspire about this.
They at least deserve to know how their product is being misused.
Regards,
David.
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Re: no kdm after upgrade to sarge

[Sam Watkins]

On Sat, Dec 25, 2004 at 04:56:05PM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> My system cannot go into kdm after I upgraded from 'stable' to 'testing'.

do you have the "kdm" package installed?  what about the "kde-core" and
"kde" packages?

does /etc/init.d/kdm start work?

> After what seems like ages following login, gnome screen appears.

do you mean you logged in in gdm or xdm?

> Windows can be opened but not sized or moved about.


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Nothing from list for two days

[Anthony Campbell]

For the last 2-3 days I've stopped getting anything from this
list. If anyone _is_ still getting mail I'd be interested to know (I can
see responses in the archive).

Anthony

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Re: Nothing from list for two days

[Robert Vangel]

I had this a while ago, and realised it was the DNSBL hosts I had 
configured got murphy.debian.org into their lists.

From your email address, you may run your own mail server. Check the 
logs if possible and see if this is the case.

Anthony Campbell wrote:
For the last 2-3 days I've stopped getting anything from this
list. If anyone _is_ still getting mail I'd be interested to know (I can
see responses in the archive).
Anthony


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Re: Nothing from list for two days

[Anthony Campbell]

On 25 Dec 2004, Robert Vangel wrote:
> I had this a while ago, and realised it was the DNSBL hosts I had 
> configured got murphy.debian.org into their lists.
> 
> From your email address, you may run your own mail server. Check the 
> logs if possible and see if this is the case.
> 
> Anthony Campbell wrote:
> >For the last 2-3 days I've stopped getting anything from this
> >list. If anyone _is_ still getting mail I'd be interested to know (I can
> >see responses in the archive).
> >
> >Anthony
> >

No, I don't have my own mail server. But oddly enough the message you
cc-d to the list did reach me.

Anthony

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resolvconf + pdnsd on a laptop

[James Leifer]

Hello (and happy holidays!),

I had a question about setting up dns caching on my laptop running
sarge.  I'm sure this has been discussed before but googling hasn't
turned up any clear explanations.  I've RTFM'd and was confused by the
myriad of options.  Thus, I'd be grateful for any advice.

Like many people, I network my laptop in different ways.  I therefore
have set up the following /etc/network/interfaces file:

iface eth0-inria inet static
address xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
netmask xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
network xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
broadcast xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
gateway xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
dns-nameservers xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
dns-search inria.fr

iface eth0-dhcp inet dhcp

and installed the resolvconf package.  Thus I can type

  ifup eth0=eth0-inria

or

  ifup eth0=eth0-dhcp

to switch environments.  In both cases, the new dns information
(either from the dns-nameservers line or from dhclient) gets handed to
resolvconf which puts it in /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf, and thus
/etc/resolv.conf (which is a symlink).  Cool.

Now I want to use pdnsd to cache dns queries.  To do this, I need to

* keep my /etc/resolv.conf constant (nameserver 127.0.0.1);

* and get resolvconf to push changes directly to pdnsd (by calling
  pdnsd-ctl).

How do I do this?

Many thanks for any suggestions.

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Re: PPP ip-up and firestarter

[Jedi Knight]

--- Wayne Topa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Jedi Knight([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is
> reported to have said:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I'm using debian and use ppp to dial to my ISP. I
> > wanted to start firestarter whenever my connection
> is
> > up and stop it whenever my connection goes down.
> > Firestarter creates automatically a script in
> > /etc/ppp/ip-ip.d/ directory so that /etc/ppp/ip-up
> > script runs it whenever ppp is up. However, it's
> not
> > working. 
> What do you mean by "it's not working"?
> 
> If you do 
> $iptables -L 
> what do you see?
> >
> > Although I get the message that ip-up script
> > started, nothing seems to happen. 
> 
> What are you expecting to see?  Is the 'Active'
> status showing it is
> 'disabled" or what? 
> >
> > I check the
> > firestarter status with /etc/init.d/firestarter
> status
> > and it tells me that it's not running. What could
> be
> > the problem? Thanks for your help.
> 
> I just tested the version I am running, 1.0.1-1, and
> 
> /etc/init.d/firestarter start does start the
> firewall and
> /etc/init.d/firestarter status does say it is up and
> iptables -L does display the firewall rules.
> 
> I do notice one bug tho, I have a script in
> /etc/ppp/ip-dowd.d to
> stop the firewall and it does, as shown the
> /etc/init.d/firestarter
> status script but the GUI status indicator still
> says it is active.
> 
> As a Jedi you should remember that you have to
> explain the problem in
> more detail to us mere mortals.  :-)
> 
> WT
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> one.
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Oh... sorry about that. Sometimes I just forget that
I'm a Jedi... :)
Anyway, whenever I get connected to my ISP, I get the
message that the ip-up script has started and a little
while later, that it has finished. However, If I check
iptables -L, there's no rules at all. And
/etc/init.d/firestarter status tells me it's stopped.
The firestarter GUI status is stopped too. So I have
to start it manually every time I get connected. It
seems that the ip-up script is not being run correctly
by pppd, but I just don't know what could be wrong
with it. The funny thing is that if I run
/etc/ppp/ip-up manually after the connection is made
it works perfectly.



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USB cardreader

[jeff elkins]

Merry Christmas, List!

I've built a new sid-based system (kernel 2.6.9) and I'm having a bit of 
trouble with the attached usb cardreader.

It's recognized at boot:

usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 2
scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
Vendor: DMI   Model: MultiFlashRev: 3.00
Type:   Direct-Access   ANSI SCSI revision: 02

But unless I boot with cards inserted, the devices I need (sda1,sdc1) 
are not created. Additionally, once mounted they refuse to unmount with a
'device busy.'

I probably missed something in my setup, thanks for any help.

Jeff Elkins


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Re: USB cardreader

[Hanspeter Kunz]

On Sat, 2004-12-25 at 09:06 -0500, jeff elkins wrote:
> Merry Christmas, List!
> 
> I've built a new sid-based system (kernel 2.6.9) and I'm having a bit of 
> trouble with the attached usb cardreader.
> 
> It's recognized at boot:
> 
> usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 2
> scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
> Vendor: DMI   Model: MultiFlashRev: 3.00
> Type:   Direct-Access   ANSI SCSI revision: 02
> 
> But unless I boot with cards inserted, the devices I need (sda1,sdc1) 
> are not created. Additionally, once mounted they refuse to unmount with a
> 'device busy.'

Do you have hotplug installed?

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Re: evolution 2.0 broken on sarge

[John Foster]

On Thursday 23 December 2004 11:44 am, Lou Ruppert wrote:
> Ignoring the irony of asking people to email about whether their email
> has died, has anyone had any problems like the following?:
>
> When I updated my Sarge apt packages last night, upgrading from
> evolution 1.x to 2.x, the conversion process hung during the contacts
> conversion.  I tried it eight or nine times before simply blowing away
> my configuration entirely (removing ~/evolution, .evolution,
> .gconf/apps/evolution, and rebooting just to be safe).  I was then able
> to start evolution, but if I try to hit 'reply' or compose a new
> message, the whole application dies.
>
> Thinking there was a curse on my environment, I created another user and
> tried the same thing, getting the same results.  Any attempt to
> communicate with the outside world via Evolution 2 is met with severe
> punishment.
>
> Wondering if maybe my system was wedged in some way beyond my
> understanding, I went to a client's laptop I've been installing with the
> until-now-perfectly-stable Sarge setup, and tried the same things.  In
> one case, where the user was brand new, it started more or less stably,
> but in the case where I converted from his previous files (evolution
> 1.x) evolution didn't hang during the conversion, but crashed on startup
> afterwards, and then every subsequent time I attempted it.
>
> So, my question is, does anyone know how to get the wretched thing to
> work, or to file a more formal set of bug reports?  I can only use my
> web-based email for so long before my eyeballs begin to bleed.
>
>
> -Lou
> (off to try Thunderbird instead on his friend's machine.)
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Last time I checked, yesterday, there was a known issue that was a missing 
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Re: {advocay] Linspire machine

[stan]

On Sat, Dec 25, 2004 at 12:29:24AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Sat, 2004-12-25 at 00:01 -0500, stan wrote:
> > I bought a machine with Linspire preloaded on it today. Nice machien,
> > and cheaper than I could build it. A bit short on RAM, and the CD is a
> > reader only (no CD writer or DVD). But great value for the $299.
> > 
> > Reading through the manual that comes with it, I find no information as
> > to how to use the preloaded software, but quite a bit of nformation
> > relative to wiping it and installing various flabors of M$ OS'es.
> > 
> > Here's my concern. It appears that the promary intent of this is not to
> > encourage the new users that might buy this amchine to learn to use
> > Linux, but instead a way to sell them a machine W/O the M% tax, and
> > encourage them to load a pirated copy of a M$ OS on it.
> > 
> > This really seems like a bad light to cast the Linux comunity in, IMHO.
> > 
> > What are otheres prespective on this?
> 
> Where did you buy it?  Maybe *they* are just using it as a way to
> sell sans-MS-tax systems.  But if that's the case, they should
> ship it with FreeDOS, instead.
> 
Frye's

Yes FreeDos would be a cleaner choice for that.

My problem with this is the "arua' it casts for new users aeound Linux.
They could come away with the impression thta Linux people are just a
bunch of "rip off" artitsts. 



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Re: {advocay] Linspire machine

[stan]

On Sat, Dec 25, 2004 at 05:31:17PM +0800, Katipo wrote:
> stan wrote:
> 
> > I bought a machine with Linspire preloaded on it today. Nice machien,
> > and cheaper than I could build it. A bit short on RAM, and the CD is
> > a reader only (no CD writer or DVD). But great value for the $299.
> >
> > Reading through the manual that comes with it, I find no information
> > as to how to use the preloaded software, but quite a bit of
> > nformation relative to wiping it and installing various flabors of M$
> > OS'es.
> >
> > Here's my concern. It appears that the promary intent of this is not
> > to encourage the new users that might buy this amchine to learn to
> > use Linux, but instead a way to sell them a machine W/O the M% tax,
> > and encourage them to load a pirated copy of a M$ OS on it.
> >
> > This really seems like a bad light to cast the Linux comunity in,
> > IMHO.
> >
> > What are otheres prespective on this?
> >
> I assume you have at least mailed Linspire about this.
> They at least deserve to know how their product is being misused.
> Regards,
> 
Good point. I should do this.

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Re: Nothing from list for two days -SOLVED

[Anthony Campbell]

On 25 Dec 2004, Robert Vangel wrote:
> I had this a while ago, and realised it was the DNSBL hosts I had 
> configured got murphy.debian.org into their lists.
> 
> From your email address, you may run your own mail server. Check the 
> logs if possible and see if this is the case.
> 
> Anthony Campbell wrote:
> >For the last 2-3 days I've stopped getting anything from this
> >list. If anyone _is_ still getting mail I'd be interested to know (I can
> >see responses in the archive).
> >
> >Anthony
> >

I decided to unsubscribe and subscribe again to see if it would help. I
then found that I had some how become unsubscribed without my knowledge,
so I subscribed and am now getting mail from the list again. No idea how
that could have happened.

Anthony

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Re: USB cardreader

[jeff elkins]

On Saturday 25 December 2004 9:18 am, Hanspeter Kunz wrote:
> On Sat, 2004-12-25 at 09:06 -0500, jeff elkins wrote:
> > Merry Christmas, List!
> >
> > I've built a new sid-based system (kernel 2.6.9) and I'm having a bit of
> > trouble with the attached usb cardreader.
> >
> > It's recognized at boot:
> >
> > usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 2
> > scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
> > Vendor: DMI   Model: MultiFlashRev: 3.00
> > Type:   Direct-Access   ANSI SCSI revision: 02
> >
> > But unless I boot with cards inserted, the devices I need (sda1,sdc1)
> > are not created. Additionally, once mounted they refuse to unmount with a
> > 'device busy.'
>
> Do you have hotplug installed?
>

Yes. I did notice that it didn't have a symlink in rc2.d so I created one 
S21hotplug, but that didn't solve the problem.

Jeff


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Re: PPP ip-up and firestarter

[Sam Watkins]

On Sat, Dec 25, 2004 at 06:04:01AM -0800, Jedi Knight wrote:
> Anyway, whenever I get connected to my ISP, I get the
> message that the ip-up script has started and a little
> while later, that it has finished. However, If I check
> iptables -L, there's no rules at all.

For starters, I'd change /etc/init.d/firestarter so that right at the
start, it creates a file or something so that you can check whether it's
really running or not.  If it is, try the #!/bin/bash -x option to trace
what it's doing.  If it isn't, try the same debugging technique on the
script that is supposed to be invoking firestarter.


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Re: alsa mismatch with new kernel-image

[Thomas Hood]

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 15:50:11 +0100, Jonathan Kaye wrote:
> Hi Debianers,
> I recently did an upgrade of the sarge kernel image from 2.4.27-2 to 
> 2.4.27-6. All went well except for my alsa which is now out of sink. 

This is known kernel bug #284356.

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Re: Nothing from list for two days -SOLVED

[Sam Watkins]

On Sat, Dec 25, 2004 at 02:52:17PM +, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> I decided to unsubscribe and subscribe again to see if it would help. I
> then found that I had some how become unsubscribed without my knowledge,
> so I subscribed and am now getting mail from the list again. No idea how
> that could have happened.

The only thing I can think of is if you have been on "vacation" and have
been running a program to mail people who contact you telling them you
are on vacation, and that program has been spamming the list, then I
or someone else probably unsubscribed you.  (by sending a message
pretending to be from you to the unsubscribe service, to which your
broken vacation program would have replied, thus unsubscribing you!)
We have done this to one or two people recently due to the annoyance of
receiving such messages every time we post.  I don't remember if you
were on vacation though.

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Re: Nothing from list for two days -SOLVED

[Anthony Campbell]

On 26 Dec 2004, Sam Watkins wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 25, 2004 at 02:52:17PM +, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> > I decided to unsubscribe and subscribe again to see if it would help. I
> > then found that I had some how become unsubscribed without my knowledge,
> > so I subscribed and am now getting mail from the list again. No idea how
> > that could have happened.
> 
> The only thing I can think of is if you have been on "vacation" and have
> been running a program to mail people who contact you telling them you
> are on vacation, and that program has been spamming the list, then I
> or someone else probably unsubscribed you.  (by sending a message
> pretending to be from you to the unsubscribe service, to which your
> broken vacation program would have replied, thus unsubscribing you!)
> We have done this to one or two people recently due to the annoyance of
> receiving such messages every time we post.  I don't remember if you
> were on vacation though.
> 
> :)
> 

No, I haven't been away and I have no such program.

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Debian sid and "risk management"

[Bob Alexander]

Background considerations, question follows:
When I was studying as a doctor (a lng time ago) my Pharmacology 
professor told us:

"A good doctor is never the first to use a new medicine and never the 
last to abandon an old one"

and later on my sailplane instructor told me:
"There are old pilots and bold pilots but NO old bold pilots"
While I love using sid because of the very current releases and I am 
willing to take the risk of having to debug "some" problems, being the 
system I WORK with the only I have, getting fundamental things wrong can 
seriously impact my job.

Just as an example, in the moment I write, synaptic tells me I could 
upgrade LVM2, login, and HAL. If these bomb I would be in trouble. If 
xpdf bombed it would be a little annoying but nothing more.

One solution for the "fundamental packages" (please do not call me 
coward but only cautious) would be, (like the medicine example on top) 
to wait a little time (say one week ten days) before installing any new 
packages and before that checking if/which serious bugs have been reported.

I am aware that I would leave the braver doing "first line fighting" and 
I would be there too if I haved any of the following:

a) more free time
b) another test machine
c) using Linux not as my primary work environment
Questions:
Is there data in the package system to assess the date of the release of 
a given package ?

Is there an automatic way to check even only for the number of severe 
bugs for a package from any of the package manager frontends ?

Thank you very much,
Bob
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Startinf fvwm

[alireza faryar]

I installed fvwm on debian.testing using

apt-get install fvwm.

When I run fvwm, it complains that can't open display.
What am I missing,

Thanks

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Re: Debian sid and "risk management"

[Alex Malinovich]

On Sat, 2004-12-25 at 16:48 +0100, Bob Alexander wrote:
--snip--
> While I love using sid because of the very current releases and I am 
> willing to take the risk of having to debug "some" problems, being the 
> system I WORK with the only I have, getting fundamental things wrong can 
> seriously impact my job.

While this doesn't actually answer your question about how to check the
age of a package, I do feel that I should inject a comment about the
relative stability of Sid here.

My primary machine at work is a Debian-only machine running Sid AND
Experimental. In the last 6 months or so, I have spent probably about 5
- 6 hours working through problems caused by packages on my system, ALL
of them caused by Experimental. All of the servers that I use for my day
to day work also run Sid, and I've never had a problem with any of them
that wasn't caused by user error.

Sid is probably not the right choice if you need to run a nuclear
defense grid, but for day to day work on the desktop and even on
servers, it's plenty stable enough in my experience.

With that said, what I usually do for my servers is do an update every
two weeks, storing the list of packages that WOULD be upgraded in a text
file. Then when I do my next update, I compare that list vs the list of
two weeks ago and only install the packages that HAVEN'T changed. This
gives me a selection of two week old packages that MOST LIKELY work
(since critical bugs are usually fixed within two weeks).

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Re: Startinf fvwm

[Bob Alexander]

alireza faryar wrote:
I installed fvwm on debian.testing using
apt-get install fvwm.
When I run fvwm, it complains that can't open display.
What am I missing,
Thanks
farid
Are you running that from xdm or gdm or what ?
Bob
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Re: USB cardreader

[Hanspeter Kunz]

On Sat, 2004-12-25 at 10:08 -0500, jeff elkins wrote:
> On Saturday 25 December 2004 9:18 am, Hanspeter Kunz wrote:
> > On Sat, 2004-12-25 at 09:06 -0500, jeff elkins wrote:
> > > Merry Christmas, List!
> > >
> > > I've built a new sid-based system (kernel 2.6.9) and I'm having a bit of
> > > trouble with the attached usb cardreader.
> > >
> > > It's recognized at boot:
> > >
> > > usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 2
> > > scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
> > > Vendor: DMI   Model: MultiFlashRev: 3.00
> > > Type:   Direct-Access   ANSI SCSI revision: 02
> > >
> > > But unless I boot with cards inserted, the devices I need (sda1,sdc1)
> > > are not created. Additionally, once mounted they refuse to unmount with a
> > > 'device busy.'
> >
> > Do you have hotplug installed?
> >
> 
> Yes. I did notice that it didn't have a symlink in rc2.d so I created one 
> S21hotplug, but that didn't solve the problem.

Hm, I would reinstall hotplug (just to be sure). 
Do you have the module auto-loader in the kernel?
Any error messages in the syslog? 
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Re: Debian sid and "risk management"

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

Bob Alexander wrote:
Background considerations, question follows:
When I was studying as a doctor (a lng time ago) my Pharmacology 
professor told us:

"A good doctor is never the first to use a new medicine and never the 
last to abandon an old one"

and later on my sailplane instructor told me:
"There are old pilots and bold pilots but NO old bold pilots"
While I love using sid because of the very current releases and I am 
willing to take the risk of having to debug "some" problems, being the 
system I WORK with the only I have, getting fundamental things wrong can 
seriously impact my job.

Just as an example, in the moment I write, synaptic tells me I could 
upgrade LVM2, login, and HAL. If these bomb I would be in trouble. If 
xpdf bombed it would be a little annoying but nothing more.

One solution for the "fundamental packages" (please do not call me 
coward but only cautious) would be, (like the medicine example on top) 
to wait a little time (say one week ten days) before installing any new 
packages and before that checking if/which serious bugs have been reported.

Or you could use William Ballard's system of keeping the upgrades 
separate by differently labeled .deb directories and simply reverting to 
a set of .debs that worked if you run into problems.

He has posted his scripts to this list at least twice that I know of.
HTH
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Re: Startinf fvwm

[Hugo Vanwoerkom]

alireza faryar wrote:
I installed fvwm on debian.testing using
apt-get install fvwm.
When I run fvwm, it complains that can't open display.
What am I missing,

Be more specific: how do you run fvwm? You have it set as the default 
window-manager and start gdm or xdm? Or how do you do it?

H

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Re: Debian sid and "risk management"

[Rob Bochan]

On Saturday 25 December 2004 10:48 am, Bob Alexander wrote:

> Is there an automatic way to check even only for the number of severe
> bugs for a package from any of the package manager frontends ?

Install the apt-listbugs package.

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Re: Startinf fvwm

[Sam Watkins]

On Sat, Dec 25, 2004 at 08:02:48AM -0800, alireza faryar wrote:
> When I run fvwm, it complains that can't open display.
> What am I missing,

X !!

You can't run fvwm from the Linux console, you have to start X first,
and then fvwm.  There are several ways to make sure fvwm gets run
automatically when you start X:

 configure it as your "x-window-manager" with update-alternatives:

   update-alternatives --config x-window-manager

 hard-code it into a ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession script, e.g.:

xset b 5 100 100
xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults
xsetroot -solid black
xterm -bw 0 -geometry 1014x100+0+690 &
unclutter &
fvwm2

I do it the second way (more or less).  If you start X with "startx" you
need to call the script ~/.xinitrc, if you use a display manager (gdm,
xdm or kdm) you need to call it ~/.xsession


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Re: incremental backups howto?

[Steve Block]

On Fri, Dec 24, 2004 at 11:40:10PM -0500, Adam Aube wrote:
> Joao Clemente wrote:
> 
> > In the latest thread about "Synchronize two servers" it was
> > talked about incremental backups. Well, can you quick-start me
> > in this topic?
> 
> An incremental backup is done by backing up all files that have changed
> since the last full or incremental backup. How this file list is tracked
> depends on the backup program used (some might use a filesystem flag,
> others might use modification timestamps).
> 
> The downside of incremental backups is that, to do a full restore, you need
> the last full backup and ALL the incremental backups since the last full.
> 
> A better alternative is a differential backup, which is all files that have
> changed since the last full backup. This is much easier to restore, because
> all you need is the last full backup and the last differential backup.
> 
> > What do you say?
> 
> Another interesting approach is that taken by tools such as dirvish or
> rsnapshot. Both of these tools use rsync to capture snapshots of a
> filesystem (either local or remote) to disk. Within the backup archives,
> files that have not changed between snapshots are hard linked.
> 
> This gives the completeness and ease of restoration of full backups without
> requiring nearly as much space to store data. To restore, just copy back
> the desired snapshot.
> 
> This is all for general filesystem backup. For databases, check the
> documentation to see what the recommended backup method is.
> 
> Adam
> 
I use something like this for my own backups. I have a large number of
files on a server which I keep backed up on another machine (the backups
have saved my ass more than once). Later versions of rsync support
automatically making hard links to unchanged files, which saves a lot of space.

What I have done is set up a special backup account on one machine and build
an passwordless ssh key that allows that machine access to the server.
Obviously there are security issues there but I'm taking a calculated risk, as
I want the backups to run from cron. There are ways to make sure that the
backup user can be restricted to only specific processes, and I think
Google can help with that.

I wrote a fairly simple bash script that creates a backup of my home folder
on the server to a folder named with the server name and the backup date. The
script runs from cron every day, and keeps one week's worth of backup folders.
It creates weekly backups as well, and keeps a certain number of those. It
similarly has montly folders. Since it uses hard links, the backup takes only
about 10% more space than any given revision, but allows me to step back a
number of days to fix something that was got broken (last time was a heavily
customized php file that I foolishly overwrote).

The script follows. I hope someone finds it useful.

#!/bin/sh

# Incremental backup script for bash, based on rsync, syncs files on server 
# to this machine. One sync is made every night, incrementals are handled
# with hardlinks to unchanged files.
#
# Once a week the newest daily snapshot becomes the newest weekly snapshot,
# and once a month the newest weekly snapshot becomes the newest monthly
# snapshot, and we will hold three months of backups. Becuase of the hardlinks
# we should be able to keep increments without wasting much more space than
# a simple full backup would already take.

# Start by setting variables: current month, dead month, current week,
# dead week, current day, and dead day
MONTH=server.monthly.`date +%G-%m`
WEEK=server.weekly.`date +%G-%V`
DAY=server.daily.`date +%G-%m-%d`
YESTERDAY=server.daily.`date -d -1day +%G-%m-%d`
DEADMONTH=server.monthly.`date -d -3month +%G-%m`
DEADWEEK=server.weekly.`date -d -4week +%G-%V`
DEADDAY=server.daily.`date -d -7day +%G-%m-%d`

# Rotate the daily backup files. Start by tossing the latest dead file,
# and then create the latest backup with rsync, using hard links.
# This happens every day
if [ -d /home/backup/$DEADDAY ]; then
   rm -rf /home/backup/$DEADDAY
fi
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/home/backup/$DAY/

# Check if it is Saturday. If so, rotate the weekly backups. Start by tossing
# the latest dead file, and then copy the latest daily snapshot to the
# weekly snapshot file
if [ `date +%u` = 6 ]; then
   if [ -d /home/backup/$DEADWEEK ]; then
  rm -rf /home/backup/$DEADWEEK
   fi
   cp -al /home/backup/$DAY /home/backup/$WEEK
fi

# Check if it is the first of the month. If so, rotate the monthly backups.
# Start by tossing the latest dead file, and then copy the latest daily
# Snapshot to the monthly snapshot file.
if [ `date +%d` = 1 ]; then
   if [ -d /home/backup/$DEADMONTH ]; then
  rm -rf /home/backup/$DEADMONTH ];
   fi
   cp -al /home/backup/$DAY /home/backup/$MONTH
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Re: How to access external USB hard drive?

[René Seindal]

Matt Perry wrote (25-12-2004 08:46):
On Sat, 25 Dec 2004, Ron Johnson wrote:

Is usbfs in your /etc/fstab?
$ cat /etc/mtab | grep usbfs
usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 0

I just found an old firewire card that I had laying around and tried
that.  The enclosure has firewire so I figured it'd be worth a shot.
It worked find with the ohci1394 and sbp2 drivers.  I think I'll just
stick with this.  USB seems to have some problems on this motherboard.
I have an Asus M2N laptop and a separate IDE disk enclosure, with the 
same behaviour.  I can access the disk through firewire, but the USB2 
interface on the inclosure gives no response whatsoever.

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Re: Debian sid and "risk management"

[Bob Alexander]

Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
Or you could use William Ballard's system of keeping the upgrades 
separate by differently labeled .deb directories and simply reverting to 
a set of .debs that worked if you run into problems.

He has posted his scripts to this list at least twice that I know of.
Sounds nice. Could not locate the resource though ... can you help further ?
TIA,
Bob
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Re: Debian sid and "risk management"

[Bob Alexander]

Rob Bochan wrote:
On Saturday 25 December 2004 10:48 am, Bob Alexander wrote:

Is there an automatic way to check even only for the number of severe
bugs for a package from any of the package manager frontends ?

Install the apt-listbugs package.
Sounds GREAT. Tried reading or finding examples on Google ...
Did I understand correctly ?
When installed the apt-listbugs will be automatically invoked when 
synaptic or command line apt-get install or upgrade will be performed.

It will warn of critical bugs pending on each of the files to be downloaded.
Is that it ?
TIA,
Bob
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Re: Article about apt-build

[Chasecreek Systemhouse]

OK :-)

I have played with it a bit and find it will not download things like
openoffice.org or gnome-core

Maybe Im mis-understanding the configuration or the intent of apt-build?

I know openoffice.org is a source package available via apt-get
source|build-dep etc...

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Re: Debian sid and "risk management"

[Rob Bochan]

On Saturday 25 December 2004 12:45 pm, Bob Alexander wrote:

> It will warn of critical bugs pending on each of the files to be
> downloaded.
>
> Is that it ?

According to
http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/apt-listbugs

"apt-listbugs is a tool which retrieves bug reports from the Debian Bug 
Tracking System and lists them. Especially, it is intended to be invoked 
before each upgrade/installation by apt in order to check whether the 
upgrade/installation is safe.

Many developers and users prefer the unstable version of Debian for its new 
features and packages. apt, the usual upgrade tool, can break your system by 
installing a buggy package.

apt-listbugs lists critical bug reports from the Debian Bug Tracking System. 
Run it before apt to see if an upgrade or installation is known to be 
unsafe."

I use it myself on my laptop that runs Sid, which I use for my business, to 
check to see if there's anything major I need to know before I upgrade 
anything. It runs automatically whenever I run apt-get upgrade. It's saved my 
butt more than once.

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Re: resolvconf + pdnsd on a laptop

[Thomas Hood]

On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 14:10:07 +0100, James Leifer wrote:
> Now I want to use pdnsd to cache dns queries.  To do this, I need to
> 
> * keep my /etc/resolv.conf constant (nameserver 127.0.0.1);
> 
> * and get resolvconf to push changes directly to pdnsd (by calling
>   pdnsd-ctl).


Resolvconf works properly with pdnsd out of the box, although not exactly
as you just described.  Just install both packages and they will work
together.

Details:

When pdnsd is started with its initscript it adds 127.0.0.1 as a
nameserver address; pdnsd answers DNS queries at this address.  Resolvconf
lists this address in resolv.conf as the first nameserver address to use.
Applications that use the libc resolver library therefore consult
127.0.0.1 first.  (Additional nameserver addresses listed in resolv.conf
will be consulted by applications only if 127.0.0.1 doesn't answer within
a timeout period.  Usually this doesn't happen.)

I.e., resolv.conf does not have to be static when pdnsd is in use.  The
important thing is that 127.0.0.1 be the first nameserver address listed.

Resolvconf updates pdnsd's list of nameservers via a pdnsd-ctl command in
/etc/resolvconf/update.d/pdnsd.


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Re: Debian sid and "risk management"

[Bob Alexander]

Rob Bochan wrote:
I use it myself on my laptop that runs Sid, which I use for my business, to 
check to see if there's anything major I need to know before I upgrade 
anything. It runs automatically whenever I run apt-get upgrade. It's saved my 
butt more than once.

Thank you very much Rob.
Of course you should not "trust" packages which have just appeared since 
they will most probably never have crit bugs. Correct ? For instance the 
LVM2 and HAL examples I was making appeared a few hours agon on the 
mirror I use.

Ciao.
Bob
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Re: Article about apt-build

[Chasecreek Systemhouse]

=)

Well, not to follow up to my own post but ... something as simple as
apt-build install top doesnt work.

I guess I have no idea what I'm going to use apt-build for - or maybe
I'm just so accustomed to building/installing everything into
/usr/local/ (I mean I compile software for Solaris, Debian, RH9, and
FC) that I can't comprehend any other way to compile software.

/usr/local is just easy for me to keep straight in my head I guess.

BTW -

SparcV9 is really ultrasparc:

-mcpu=ultrasparc
-mtune=v9

-march isn't used -- at least not in the version of gcc (3.3.5) which
Debian ships.

:)  Overall I like apt-build and will prolly enjoy it more as I get
more away from using /usr/local and trying to stay within Debians
main-stream system configuration...

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Re: resolvconf + pdnsd on a laptop

[James Leifer]

Thomas Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Resolvconf works properly with pdnsd out of the box, although not exactly
> as you just described.  Just install both packages and they will work
> together.

Perfect.  Thanks for the detailed response!

Warm regards,
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Re: Debian sid and "risk management"

[kurtz]

Bob Alexander escribe:
> Is that it ?

Is that it. However, it's useful to have one's system wholy fu***d
down at least once in one's live, just to know what sid's really
about.


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Re: gimp: Bug in Print dialog with some PPD files

[Mike Mestnik]

--- Loïc Minier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
"M Mestnik) (Shared Account" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - Fri, Dec
24, 2004:
> Maby telling CUPS you would like to use foomatic-rip as an input
filter you
> will then get the features in gimp to work, as the PPD your using is
made
> for foomatic not CUPS.  Foomatic will read your 'printcap' file to
find the
> PPD to use, so you must put the "ppd=" option into your printcap.
 Ok, it's an interesting point that some PPD might be fit for certain
 uses and not other.
 This leaves three problems:
 - documenting what PPD types are suite for GIMP, CUPS etc. in each
   program ("select a _printing_ PPD", or "select a _rendering_ PPD"
   etc.),
  There is a Specification, I have yet to find a program in debian that
followe it.  All of these programs should use a central library to
read/understant/execute PPD files.  This library should then be made to
follow the Specs...
http://lprng.sourceforge.net/DISTRIB/RESOURCES/DOCS/5003.PPD_Spec_v4.1.pdf
 - documenting what PPD types are provided in the PPD databases in
   Debian,
   I think the PPDs provided by foomatic(upstram) are shiped with
foomatic(Debian) simply for conformity with other distos.  I would
recomend ignoring these and making/getting your own PPD with this site...
http://linuxprinting.org/printer_list.cgi
 - fixing the bug in the GUI where incorrect values make the dialog
   behave wildly.
   This hopefully would be fixed with the libPPD, several UIs should be
able to be used as a backend(x, tk, gnome, kde, console AKA dialog) for
libPPD.  This would ensure that every application, that uses libPPD,
displays the same print dialog.
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Missing character set "ISO8859-1"

[Bayrouni]

Hello all,
When I execute graphical program under kde in command line, I have this 
warning: (
Missing character set "ISO8859-1". )
How can I fixe this?

Thank you very much
Bayrouni
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Re: Article about apt-build

[George Danchev]

On Saturday 25 December 2004 20:45, Chasecreek Systemhouse wrote:
--cut--
> :)  Overall I like apt-build and will prolly enjoy it more as I get
>
> more away from using /usr/local and trying to stay within Debians
> main-stream system configuration...

You can also try sbuild, apt-src, pbuilder and apt-fu (still unofficial) from 
deb & deb-src http://des.petta-tech.bogomips.org/~eric/apt-fu/ ./

It would be good if these join forces with each other, or maybe it would 
not ;-)

the information found in that article along with some short examples about 
apt-build is tried to be documentaed in bulgarian:
http://debian-book-bg.openfmi.net/src/htmlsplit/node89.html
(sorry, not translated in english ;-)

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Re: USB cardreader

[jeff elkins]

On Saturday 25 December 2004 11:35 am, Hanspeter Kunz wrote:
> On Sat, 2004-12-25 at 10:08 -0500, jeff elkins wrote:
> > On Saturday 25 December 2004 9:18 am, Hanspeter Kunz wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2004-12-25 at 09:06 -0500, jeff elkins wrote:
> > > > Merry Christmas, List!
> > > >
> > > > I've built a new sid-based system (kernel 2.6.9) and I'm having a bit
> > > > of trouble with the attached usb cardreader.
> > > >
> > > > It's recognized at boot:
> > > >
> > > > usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 2
> > > > scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
> > > > Vendor: DMI   Model: MultiFlashRev: 3.00
> > > > Type:   Direct-Access   ANSI SCSI revision: 02
> > > >
> > > > But unless I boot with cards inserted, the devices I need (sda1,sdc1)
> > > > are not created. Additionally, once mounted they refuse to unmount
> > > > with a 'device busy.'
> > >
> > > Do you have hotplug installed?
> >
> > Yes. I did notice that it didn't have a symlink in rc2.d so I created one
> > S21hotplug, but that didn't solve the problem.
>
> Hm, I would reinstall hotplug (just to be sure).
> Do you have the module auto-loader in the kernel?
> Any error messages in the syslog?

No error messages, but I'm not familiar with an auto-loader module.

Jeff



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Re: USB cardreader

[H. S.]

Apparently, _jeff elkins_, on 25/12/04 09:06,typed:
Merry Christmas, List!
I've built a new sid-based system (kernel 2.6.9) and I'm having a bit of 
trouble with the attached usb cardreader.

It's recognized at boot:
usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 2
scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
Vendor: DMI   Model: MultiFlashRev: 3.00
Type:   Direct-Access   ANSI SCSI revision: 02
But unless I boot with cards inserted, the devices I need (sda1,sdc1) 
are not created. Additionally, once mounted they refuse to unmount with a
'device busy.'

I probably missed something in my setup, thanks for any help.
Jeff Elkins

I have a USB card reader that is detected alright but I have to have a 
card in a slot to get that detected too. The problem is that the card 
reader hardware makes itself detectable to a USB port but doesn't give 
any information when a card is inserted. So that card insertion totoally 
hidden from hotplug. It works onlyif you have a card inside the reader 
already before plugging it in the USB port.

My solution was to make a mount point that I use after I insert the card 
in one of the slots. YMMV.

However, if you card does notify the system when a new card is inserted 
and your system still doen't know about a new card, then something is 
wrong somewhere.

->HS
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Ssarge Upgrade-Lilo: FATAL

[Leonard Chatagnier]

Have installed and removed Kernel-Image-2.6.8-1-686 several times to get 
around a lilo fatal error.  I see either: Fatal: Default image doesn't 
exist, when I use my old lilo.conf for v.2.4.18-bf2.4 and I've now lost 
   boot-menu.b.  Or when using the new image I see:  FATAL: vmlinux 
doesn't exist or initrd.img doesen't exist.  I do have boot.0300 in 
/boot.  Can anyone help me to fix this?  I've been trying for 3 months 
to get a fully functioning  system and everytime I upgrade or update 
something goes wrong.  Woody was working ok before the last kernel-image 
install with apt-get but now can't boot.

Other info:
1.  On a previous install of new image I used mkinitrd and it allowed 
sarge to boot up but everything was broke except terminals.  The 
mkinitrd never completed without error and called up the option menu.  I 
have read the man mkinitrd and it seems definitely revelent but how to 
use it not clear.
2. Ran fsck without unmounting and maybe that was a mistake.  Made lots 
of changes saying bad inodes and such.  I don't really think anything 
was wrong with the file system but fsck did.
3.  The last of the output from `apt-get install` was a warning about 
installing a lilo block if you had another operating system installed.  
I answered no several times, without helping, and then said yes to see 
if it might fix things.  It didn't.
4.  As above, asked me if If wanted to install a new lilo.conf and said 
no several times, then said yes to see if it would fix.  I didn't.
5.  At no time did the configuration set up the symlink for the new 
default linux kernel image.  Had to do it manually.  That didn't help 
either, even when the links weren't bad.
6. Read several postings on this issue at Debian and via Google 
searches.  Nothing I tried has worked.

I'm not subscribed, please copy me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks for any help and wish you all a merry Christmass and happy New Year,
Leonard Chatagnier
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Ugly sarge upgrade -- kernel 2.4.27-2 > 2.4.27-6

[Michael Murphy]

After upgrading, the computer ran so slowly that it was as if I were
trying to run on a '486.  On boot, the lines *crawled* up the screen
in shifting waves.  Also, the soundcard couldn't be found and alsa
didn't load.  I restored the previous version from the snapshots
archive and all has returned to normal.  

Any one else?  Googling's born no fruit.  I'm brand new to debian (a
recent redhat emigree) and am unsure where, or whether, to report
this.  Any insight or direction members of this list can share will
be gratefully received.  

Computer:  Toshiba laptop 2805-S202
Processor:  PIII/700MHz
Video Card:  S3 Savage/IX-MV
Sound Care:  Yamaha DS-XG (ymf754)

packages involved/upgraded:

kernel-image-2.4.27-1-686
kernel-pcmcia-modules-2.4.27-1-686
kernel-headers-2.4.27-1
kernel-headers-2.4.27-1-686

Note that I'm running the stock kernel, the header packages are here
for exploration I've not yet begun.  Note also that I'm running
alsa-modules-2.4.27-1-686 version 1.0.6a+5 for which an upgrade was
*not* provided.  I don't know if this might be related.  

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Re: Using Debian as an Access Point?

[Frederik Dannemare]

On Thursday 23 December 2004 05:45, Bruce Park wrote:
> > At Sat, 18 Dec 2004 04:03:30 +0100, Frederik Dannemare wrote:
> >>On Friday 17 December 2004 15:10, Bruce Park wrote:
> >>>Hey guys,
> >>>
> >>>Is there anyway to use Debian as an access point?
> >>
> >>Yes, it's certainly possible. Get a card which supports the hostap
> >>driver. I have some notes which you may be able to use.
> >>
> >>
> >>Don't mind the first half of the recipe where I absolutely feel
> >> like using the hostap driver for the non-AP nodes. Today I simply
> >> use the orinoco driver for new nodes since this works
> >> out-of-the-box with the Sarge installer, anyway.
> >>
> >>Best regards,
> >>--
>
> I would like to use my router (Linux machine) to act as an AP. It
> looks like this can be done according to the link above.
>
> Now, can anyone recommend a card that will work in Linux?

I'm using a Netgear MA311 802.11b wireless adapter as AP.

> Furthermore, the link only shows WEP encryption. I want to be able to
> do WPA. Is this possible using a Debian machine?

Don't know about WPA, but you should probably use some sort of VPN 
solution for your WLAN, anyways. I use OpenVPN for various reasons.
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Re: Using Debian as an Access Point?

[Alvin Oga]

On Sat, 25 Dec 2004, Frederik Dannemare wrote:

> > Now, can anyone recommend a card that will work in Linux?
...
 
> > Furthermore, the link only shows WEP encryption. I want to be able to
> > do WPA. Is this possible using a Debian machine?

see the list of supported hardware for each driver

hostap and madwifi is the only 2 drivers that supports WPA

http://Linux-Wireless.org/AP/#WPA
http://Linux-Wireless.org/WPA/

c ya
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Re: USB cardreader

[jeff elkins]

On Saturday 25 December 2004 3:19 pm, H. S. wrote:
> Apparently, _jeff elkins_, on 25/12/04 09:06,typed:
> > Merry Christmas, List!
> >
> > I've built a new sid-based system (kernel 2.6.9) and I'm having a bit of
> > trouble with the attached usb cardreader.
> >
> > It's recognized at boot:
> >
> > usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using address 2
> > scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices
> > Vendor: DMI   Model: MultiFlashRev: 3.00
> > Type:   Direct-Access   ANSI SCSI revision: 02
> >
> > But unless I boot with cards inserted, the devices I need (sda1,sdc1)
> > are not created. Additionally, once mounted they refuse to unmount with a
> > 'device busy.'
> >
> > I probably missed something in my setup, thanks for any help.
> >
> > Jeff Elkins
>
> I have a USB card reader that is detected alright but I have to have a
> card in a slot to get that detected too. The problem is that the card
> reader hardware makes itself detectable to a USB port but doesn't give
> any information when a card is inserted. So that card insertion totoally
> hidden from hotplug. It works onlyif you have a card inside the reader
> already before plugging it in the USB port.
>
> My solution was to make a mount point that I use after I insert the card
> in one of the slots. YMMV.
>
> However, if you card does notify the system when a new card is inserted
> and your system still doen't know about a new card, then something is
> wrong somewhere.
>
> ->HS

I used that strategy with my previous system. Point /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdc1 
to /cfcard and /sdcard in fstab and mount away.  No longer.

I found out I can run cfdisk /dev/sda and cfdisk /dev/sdc, then /dev/sda1 and 
dev/sdc1 are created. Then I can mount and unmount. So, somehow, something is 
screwed. I built this system from scratch with sarge netinstall and apt, so 
I've probably left something out...

Jeff






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Re: Using Debian as an Access Point?

[Frederik Dannemare]

On Saturday 25 December 2004 21:48, Bruce Park wrote:
> Frederik Dannemare wrote:
> > On Thursday 23 December 2004 05:45, Bruce Park wrote:
> >>>At Sat, 18 Dec 2004 04:03:30 +0100, Frederik Dannemare wrote:
> On Friday 17 December 2004 15:10, Bruce Park wrote:
> >Hey guys,
> >
> >Is there anyway to use Debian as an access point?
> 
> Yes, it's certainly possible. Get a card which supports the
>  hostap driver. I have some notes which you may be able to use.
>  s>
> 
> Don't mind the first half of the recipe where I absolutely feel
> like using the hostap driver for the non-AP nodes. Today I simply
> use the orinoco driver for new nodes since this works
> out-of-the-box with the Sarge installer, anyway.
> 
> Best regards,
> --
> >>
> >>I would like to use my router (Linux machine) to act as an AP. It
> >>looks like this can be done according to the link above.
> >>
> >>Now, can anyone recommend a card that will work in Linux?
> >
> > I'm using a Netgear MA311 802.11b wireless adapter as AP.
> >
> >>Furthermore, the link only shows WEP encryption. I want to be able
> >> to do WPA. Is this possible using a Debian machine?
> >
> > Don't know about WPA, but you should probably use some sort of VPN
> > solution for your WLAN, anyways. I use OpenVPN for various reasons.
>
> Why a VPN solution? I was thinking of making the entire machine a VPN
> endpoint once I have the time to sort out machine.

WEP/WPA is too easy to break. Lots of info out there about the problems 
with it. On the other hand, if you cycle keys often and traffic volume 
on your wlan is low, you are probably safe. For example I tried 
aircrack against my wlan some time ago, but "gave up" after 10 days or 
so. Not enough traffic to analyze.

Please remember to CC the list.
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cannot install kernel images anymore

[Dan Leitner]

Two recent attempts to install kernel images failed.

My stock backup kernel failed to upgrade yesterday.
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=287085

and now trying to add another as a backup also failed, but for different 
reasons???

In both cases the initrd image could not be created.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-9-amd64-k8
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Suggested packages:
  lilo
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  kernel-image-2.6.8-9-amd64-k8
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 13.0MB of archives.
After unpacking 43.5MB of additional disk space will be used.
Get:1 http://mirrors.kernel.org testing/main kernel-image-2.6.8-9-amd64-k8 
2.6.8-5 [13.0MB]
Fetched 11.1MB in 2m51s (64.8kB/s)
Selecting previously deselected package kernel-image-2.6.8-9-amd64-k8.
(Reading database ... 96123 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking kernel-image-2.6.8-9-amd64-k8 (from 
.../kernel-image-2.6.8-9-amd64-k8_2.6.8-5_i386.deb) ...
Setting up kernel-image-2.6.8-9-amd64-k8 (2.6.8-5) ...
cpio: (0x): No such file or directory
cp: cannot stat `(0x)': No such file or directory
run-parts: /usr/share/initrd-tools/scripts/e2fsprogs exited with return code 1
Failed to create initrd image.
dpkg: error processing kernel-image-2.6.8-9-amd64-k8 (--configure):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 9
Errors were encountered while processing:
 kernel-image-2.6.8-9-amd64-k8
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$


My current kernel kernel-image-2.6.8-9-amd64-k8-smp runs OK, but no backup.

There exists some type of bug, but in which package?

I'm far from being an expert, so any help or suggestions? 

DL




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Re: Using Debian as an Access Point?

[Frederik Dannemare]

On Saturday 25 December 2004 22:02, Alvin Oga wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Dec 2004, Frederik Dannemare wrote:
> > > Now, can anyone recommend a card that will work in Linux?
>
> ...
>
> > > Furthermore, the link only shows WEP encryption. I want to be
> > > able to do WPA. Is this possible using a Debian machine?
>
> see the list of supported hardware for each driver
>
> hostap and madwifi is the only 2 drivers that supports WPA
>
>  http://Linux-Wireless.org/AP/#WPA
>  http://Linux-Wireless.org/WPA/
>
> c ya
> alvin

Well, that was a rather odd quoting/reply style, methinks.
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Fwd: Re: Startinf fvwm

[alireza faryar]

I am trying to run it from the console. Will
appreciate info on how to get fvwm up and running.

farid

--- Bob Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 17:36:42 +0100
> From: Bob Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Startinf fvwm
> 
> alireza faryar wrote:
> > I installed fvwm on debian.testing using
> > 
> > apt-get install fvwm.
> > 
> > When I run fvwm, it complains that can't open
> display.
> > What am I missing,
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > farid
> > 
> Are you running that from xdm or gdm or what ?
> Bob
> 
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Re: Fwd: Re: Startinf fvwm

[Dani Belz]

On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 13:57:55 -0800 (PST)
alireza faryar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am trying to run it from the console. Will
> appreciate info on how to get fvwm up and running.
> 
> farid

Hi Farid,

you first need to start an X server. Put the following line into your
~/.xinitrc:

exec fvwm

Create one if it doesn't exist (or comment out the lines pointing to
other window managers if it does). Then start your X server by running

$ startx

This will read your ~/.xinitrc and then start the X server and finally
fvwm. The "exec" tells the X server to stay up and running until fvwm is
shut down. It then also will shut down.

Hope that helped.

grZ
Dani


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Re: Startinf fvwm

[alireza faryar]

Dani,

There must be something with my X setup! I can not
find xrdb, xstart, xinit, etc. 

/usr/bin/X11 in my PATH, points to ../X11R6/bin, which
does not seem to be there. Any idea?

Thansk for helping,

Farid

--- Dani Belz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 23:06:41 +0100
> From: Dani Belz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Startinf fvwm
> 
> On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 13:57:55 -0800 (PST)
> alireza faryar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I am trying to run it from the console. Will
> > appreciate info on how to get fvwm up and running.
> > 
> > farid
> 
> Hi Farid,
> 
> you first need to start an X server. Put the
> following line into your
> ~/.xinitrc:
> 
> exec fvwm
> 
> Create one if it doesn't exist (or comment out the
> lines pointing to
> other window managers if it does). Then start your X
> server by running
> 
> $ startx
> 
> This will read your ~/.xinitrc and then start the X
> server and finally
> fvwm. The "exec" tells the X server to stay up and
> running until fvwm is
> shut down. It then also will shut down.
> 
> Hope that helped.
> 
> grZ
> Dani
> 

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Re: Fwd: Re: Startinf fvwm

[cfk]

Gentlemen:

I started over with Sarge this morning a bit more slowly. As I get 
things 
setup one at a time, I see some missing packages.

At this time, I am setting up kdevelop. The first thing that happens is 
that 
the terminal displays a myriad of nags aobut missing icons such as 
"/usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 48x48/stock/text" which is a tiny bit 
worrisome as I did not see that with kdevelop on RedHat. Can someone tell me 
what might be missing?

Additionally, kdevelop setup is complaining about a few missing 
packages, 
which are:  gmake,  sgml2html, glimpse, glimpseindex, QtLinguist & 
QtDesigner.

I resolved all the other package not founds but these. I suspect they 
are 
buried in packages with different names, but I do not know the names they 
might be buried within.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Charles


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oops, I broke something :)

[dorn hetzel]

I installed GCC 3.4.3 to fix problems compiling
some software, and then got into conflicts with
different versions of the C libraries (or at 
least that's what I think went wrong).  Then I
removed some older library versions and now I
have broken something :)

When I use the man command, for example, I get
results like the following:

FLAC(1)FLAC(1)



NAME
   flac - Free Lossless Audio Codec

SYNOPSIS
   flac [ options ] [ infile.wav | 
infile.aiff | infile.raw | - ... ]


   flac  [  -d  |  --decode | -t | 
--test | -a | --analyze ] [ OPTIONS ] [
   infile.flac ... ]


DESCRIPTION
   flac is a command-line tool for encoding, decoding, testing and 
analyz-
   ing FLAC streams.


I'm reluctant to just apt-get reinstall a bunch of stuff, because
I really do need the newer GCC for some things.  I was wondering
if it might address my problems to get the source and rebuild
the various utilities like man that turn up with issues, so that
they are using the newer GCC and libraries ?

If so, where would I find the source for basic utilities like man?

Best Regards and thanks in advance for a clue :)

Merry XMas!

-Dorn

Debian on SATA HD

[roy]

I'm going to buy a SATA HD dedicated for Debian (out of IDE connections and
the HD's are always full).

I've never installed Debian (or linux) before, just wanted to make sure this
is going to work (as for as the HD's concerned)...
Has anyone done this before or can confirm SATA should not be a problem?

10x,
Roy


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Re: Debian on SATA HD

[dorn hetzel]

On Sun, Dec 26, 2004 at 12:31:49AM +0200, roy wrote:
> 
> I'm going to buy a SATA HD dedicated for Debian (out of IDE connections and
> the HD's are always full).
> 
> I've never installed Debian (or linux) before, just wanted to make sure this
> is going to work (as for as the HD's concerned)...
> Has anyone done this before or can confirm SATA should not be a problem?
>
Using a Abit AA8 motherboard, with the onboard SATA controller,
I encountered significant dificulties in installing to a SATA
boot disk running in the native high performance mode.  I think
that it would be no trouble in the compatability mode where it
basically pretends to be a PATA disk, but I wanted the max
performance (The disks under full SATA mode look like sort of
like SCSI disks to the system, showing up as /dev/sda, etc.)

I wound up using a PATA boot disk and just use the 4 SATA
disks after booting.  When I have more time, I do hear it's
possible to get a booting kernel built that will come up
on the native SATA disks...

Best Regards!

-Dorn
 


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Debian on SATA HD

[roy]

I'm going to buy a SATA HD dedicated for Debian (out of IDE connections and
the HD's are always full).

I've never installed Debian (or linux) before, just wanted to make sure this
is going to work (as for as the HD's concerned)...
Has anyone done this before or can confirm SATA should not be a problem?

10x,
Roy


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Re: oops, I broke something :)

[dorn hetzel]

On Sat, Dec 25, 2004 at 05:29:41PM -0500, dorn hetzel wrote:
> 
> I installed GCC 3.4.3 to fix problems compiling
> some software, and then got into conflicts with
> different versions of the C libraries (or at 
> least that's what I think went wrong).  Then I
> removed some older library versions and now I
> have broken something :)
> 
> When I use the man command, for example, I get
> results like the following:
> 
> FLAC(1)FLAC(1)
>
There are a bunch of escape codes raw here when viewed in
vi, though they may not show up in the mail viewer. 
> 
> 
> NAME
>flac - Free Lossless Audio Codec
> 
> SYNOPSIS
>flac [ options ] [ infile.wav | 
> infile.aiff | infile.raw | - ... ]
> 
> 
>flac  [  -d  |  --decode | -t | 
> --test | -a | --analyze ] [ OPTIONS ] [
>infile.flac ... ]
> 
> 
> DESCRIPTION
>flac is a command-line tool for encoding, decoding, testing 
> and analyz-
>ing FLAC streams.
> 
> 
> I'm reluctant to just apt-get reinstall a bunch of stuff, because
> I really do need the newer GCC for some things.  I was wondering
> if it might address my problems to get the source and rebuild
> the various utilities like man that turn up with issues, so that
> they are using the newer GCC and libraries ?
> 
> If so, where would I find the source for basic utilities like man?
> 
> Best Regards and thanks in advance for a clue :)
> 
> Merry XMas!
> 
> -Dorn
> 

Re: oops, I broke something :)

[Michael Marsh]

On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 17:29:41 -0500, dorn hetzel
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I installed GCC 3.4.3 to fix problems compiling
> some software, and then got into conflicts with
> different versions of the C libraries (or at
> least that's what I think went wrong).  Then I
> removed some older library versions and now I
> have broken something :)

Have you tried "apt-get install -f"?

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Re: Startinf fvwm

[Michael Marsh]

On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 14:23:36 -0800 (PST), alireza faryar
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There must be something with my X setup! I can not
> find xrdb, xstart, xinit, etc.
> 
> /usr/bin/X11 in my PATH, points to ../X11R6/bin, which
> does not seem to be there. Any idea?

Is x-window-system-core installed?  That should pull in all of the
basics.  You might want to install x-window-system (which depends on
-core), since that'll pull in a few other useful packages.

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Re: Fwd: Re: Startinf fvwm

[Michael Marsh]

On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 14:33:41 -0800, cfk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I started over with Sarge this morning a bit more slowly. As I get 
> things
> setup one at a time, I see some missing packages.
> 
> At this time, I am setting up kdevelop. The first thing that happens 
> is that
> the terminal displays a myriad of nags aobut missing icons such as
> "/usr/share/icons/hicolor/ group 48x48/stock/text" which is a tiny bit
> worrisome as I did not see that with kdevelop on RedHat. Can someone tell me
> what might be missing?

Are you installing via apt-get?  If so, it should be resolving the
dependencies for you.  I don't have kdevelop installed, but I see a
directory /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/stock/text (which is empty)
and is provided by the package hicolor-icon-theme.  If something's
really broken, dependency-wise, you might try "apt-get install -f" to
try to fix it.

> Additionally, kdevelop setup is complaining about a few missing 
> packages,
> which are:  gmake,  sgml2html, glimpse, glimpseindex, QtLinguist & 
> QtDesigner.
> 
> I resolved all the other package not founds but these. I suspect they 
> are
> buried in packages with different names, but I do not know the names they
> might be buried within.

Try taking a look through the output of "apt-cache depends kdevelop"
or "apt-cache show kdevelop".  At the very least you should make sure
that the "make" package is installed.

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Windows vs Linux Functionality?

[Ed Sutherland]

Let me hasten to say this is not, as the subject line might seem to 
imply, a Linux-bashing question.

I'm considering moving from Windows XP to some form of Linux, most 
likely debian. I'd like to know beforehand, what functionality I'll lose 
when moving from Windows to debian. For instance, point-and-click 
ease-of-use in installing applications. Another example: multimedia, 
such as playing MP3 audio files or downloading pictures from my digital 
camera.

I like the 'back-end' stability that Linux has, but question whether 
that stability will be negated by a more difficult user interface, or 
lack thereof. Windows users poo-poo Linux while fans of Linux complain 
Windows is straight from h*ll -- isn't there a middle-ground truth? Thanks.

Ed
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Re: Windows vs Linux Functionality?

[H. S.]

Apparently, _Ed Sutherland_, on 25/12/04 18:40,typed:
Let me hasten to say this is not, as the subject line might seem to 
imply, a Linux-bashing question.

I'm considering moving from Windows XP to some form of Linux, most 
likely debian. I'd like to know beforehand, what functionality I'll lose 
when moving from Windows to debian. For instance, point-and-click 
ease-of-use in installing applications. Another example: multimedia, 
In Debian, try synaptic for installing stuff. I seldom use it, but it is 
GUI bases for almost everything. I use dselect which is quite powerful.


such as playing MP3 audio files or downloading pictures from my digital 
camera.
Never had a problem in either of these two applications.

I like the 'back-end' stability that Linux has, but question whether 
that stability will be negated by a more difficult user interface, or
You have to read up on stuff to use Linux effectively. Although when I 
reflect I realize that to have more/better security in Windows you have 
to read up on stuff there too. However, increase in knowledge and 
experience in logical thinking is a sweet perk of learning to use linux 
based systems :)


lack thereof. Windows users poo-poo Linux while fans of Linux complain 
Windows is straight from h*ll -- isn't there a middle-ground truth? Thanks.
Ubuntu Linux?
GL,
->HS
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Re: Windows vs Linux Functionality?

[Roberto Sanchez]

Ed Sutherland wrote:
Let me hasten to say this is not, as the subject line might seem to
imply, a Linux-bashing question.
I'm considering moving from Windows XP to some form of Linux, most
likely debian. I'd like to know beforehand, what functionality I'll lose
when moving from Windows to debian. For instance, point-and-click
ease-of-use in installing applications. Another example: multimedia,
such as playing MP3 audio files or downloading pictures from my digital
camera.
There are plenty of point-and-click tools.  The main thing is that you
need to educate yourself on the choices and then choose one.  As far as
multimedia, there are plenty of options.  Personally I use xine and
get the w32-codecs package from Marillat, but others prefer mplayer or
any of the other number of available front ends.
Downloading pictures from a digital camera is much easier than in
Windows.  To start with, there is no need to install extra software.
You simply plug in your camera and if it is recognized (by a program
like gPhoto), it will Just Work(TM) and you will be able to copy
directly to and from the camera just as though it were any other mass
storage device attached to your machine.
As far as installing applications, with programs like synaptic (GUI
point-and-click) and aptitude (console-based, but still very easy to
use) it is simply a matter of choosing your new application, and
telling it to go.  The debian archive has more than 14,000 packages
now.  It will probably take you a while to discover what all of them
are and you will likely only ever use a small fraction of them, but
almost every available and commonly used free software program is
already packaged for Debian.  If the event that you find one that is
not, or you have non-free program that you buy (like VMWare or Matlab),
you can use the great program called checkinstall to manage your
installation of programs that are not natively part of Debian.  This
allows you install programs and not worry about any difficulty in
uninstalling them later.  This is one program I sure wish I knew
about when I was a newbie.
Incidentally, if you are going to use Java (by installing a Sun or
IBM JRE or JDK) then I highly recommend that you look at java-package.
That is a neat little utility that will take the binary install
package from Sun or IBM and Debian-ize it on the fly so that your
Java installation can be managed like the rest of your Debian installed
programs.
I like the 'back-end' stability that Linux has, but question whether
that stability will be negated by a more difficult user interface, or
lack thereof. Windows users poo-poo Linux while fans of Linux complain
Windows is straight from h*ll -- isn't there a middle-ground truth? Thanks.
Much of it has to do with choice.  That is Linux's greatest advantage
over most any other OS.  The variety of choice.  Naturallym some
people dislike it.  Like when someone spends 30 years in prison, a
return to free society seems to overwhelm them with choices at every
turn.  In Windows-land many things are forced on the user with no easy
avenue for change.  In Linux-land everything is your choice.  If you
are having trouble choosing, then Google or post here on the list and
I'm sure that you will receive plenty of replies from people on all
sides of any particular choice.  Such as, which text editor is best
(vim, of course) or which window manager is the slickest (naturally
it is WindowMaker), and so on.
I know I have sort of flooded your request with lots of info, but I
hope you find it helpful.
Regards,
-Roberto Sanchez


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Re: Debian sid and "risk management"

[Joey Hess]

Bob Alexander wrote:
> One solution for the "fundamental packages" (please do not call me 
> coward but only cautious) would be, (like the medicine example on top) 
> to wait a little time (say one week ten days) before installing any new 
> packages and before that checking if/which serious bugs have been reported.

That's close to how the testing distribution works. Of course with
testing there's the issue of getting up-to-date security fixes.

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Re: Windows vs Linux Functionality?

[Rob Bochan]

On Saturday 25 December 2004 06:40 pm, Ed Sutherland wrote:
> Let me hasten to say this is not, as the subject line might seem to
> imply, a Linux-bashing question.

Nah, not taken as bashing in any way. It's an honest question if you don't 
know anything about it.

> I'm considering moving from Windows XP to some form of Linux, most
> likely debian. I'd like to know beforehand, what functionality I'll lose
> when moving from Windows to debian. For instance, point-and-click
> ease-of-use in installing applications. 


Ease of use in installing? You mean like this?

Find and download $PROGRAM to install
Damn, it's in "compressed" format
Go find $DECOMPRESSOR and download
Scan $DECOMPRESSOR for viruses
Install $DECOMPRESSOR
Crap, I'm not admin
Log in as admin
Install $DECOMPRESSOR
Reboot
Log in
Scan $PROGRAM for viruses
Decompress $PROGRAM
Doubleclick exe/msi installer
Crap, I'm not admin
Log in as admin
Doubleclick exe/msi installer
Click "Next" to continue
Accept 27 page EULA
Click "Next" to continue
Confirm "install type", full/minimal/custom
Click "Next" to continue
Confirm/alter install path
Click "Next" to continue
Do you want a program group created? y/n
Click "Next" to continue
Do you want a desktop icon created? y/n
Click "Next" to continue
Watch progress bar...
Click "Next" to continue
Do you want to read the README.txt now? y/n
Click "Next" to continue
Do you want to create a desktop shortcut? y/n
Click "Next" to continue
Do you want to run the internet updater? y/n
If Y, click "Next" to continue to repeat previous instructions, if N, then 
click "Next" to continue
$PROGRAM has been installed to $PATHBLAHBLAH, please register, would you like 
to do so now? y/n
Click "Next" to continue
Installation complete, Click "Exit" to finish
You must reboot for changes to take effect, do you want to reboot now? 
Reboot/Cancel
Reboot
Log in
Click on desktop icon that was created even though 'No' was answered for that 
question
Use $PROGRAM

I'll take:
Click on the menu/Synaptic
Enter root pass
Find $PROGRAM
Install $PROGRAM
Close Synaptic
Click on menu/$PROGRAM
Use $PROGRAM

any day.

> Another example: multimedia, 
> such as playing MP3 audio files or 

There are plenty of multemedia players availabe, some you might already be 
familiar with in terms of usability.

> downloading pictures from my digital 
> camera.

I'm not a photographer myself, so I can't comment on that.

> I like the 'back-end' stability that Linux has, but question whether
> that stability will be negated by a more difficult user interface, 

See for yourself before you install. Download a Knoppix CD and boot your 
machine with it. Have a look around, see what's what. You can do that before 
you install anything to your hard drive.

> or 
> lack thereof. Windows users poo-poo Linux while fans of Linux complain
> Windows is straight from h*ll -- isn't there a middle-ground truth? Thanks.

I suppose that depends on your POV. I haven't used MS Windows regularly in 
years, and I avoid it if at all possible. Me? I just prefer having control 
over my own machine that I paid my own money for, rather than letting some 
corporate marketing bozo a world away have control over it.

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Using the us_intl keyboard (was: Re: umlauts once again :))

[Rogério Brito]

On Dec 26 2004, peter plessas wrote:
> I have an US keyboard, how can i type umlauts such as: "ü ö ä"?

Configure your keyboard as having layout us_intl and you should type those
things as "+u.

The only problem with us_intl as I see it is that if you type, say, ~ and
then want to type / (like in the command line "cp bla ~/doc/"), then it is
annoying that you have to type the tilde, then a space and then the slash.
Otherwise, it won't work.

It would be *much* more convenient if one didn't have to type that space.
I'm adding debian-user to the Cc: in the event that somebody there knows a
solution to the problem that I have described. Perhaps Branden knows the
answer?


Anyway, hope this helps, Rogério Brito.

P.S.: Despite I living in a country where my mother tongue needs lots of
accents, a good portion of the keyboards sold here has the US layout and
us_intl is indeed quite important at least here in Brazil.
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Re: Startinf fvwm

[Rogério Brito]

On Dec 26 2004, Sam Watkins wrote:
> I do it the second way (more or less).  If you start X with "startx" you
> need to call the script ~/.xinitrc, if you use a display manager (gdm,
> xdm or kdm) you need to call it ~/.xsession

I usually start X with "startx" (I don't like to use display managers) and
I only have an ~/.xsession script, not an ~/.xinitrc script.

The funny thing is that with some other Unices that I've tried (indeed, it
was quite long ago), the way that X worked was the way that you described.


Merry Christmas, Rogério Brito.

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Fw: resolv.conf

[Endianto]

Dear List,

I am sorry, I have to resend this message.
There was a missleading misstype.

Regards,
Endianto

- Original Message - 
From: "Endianto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 7:35 AM
Subject: resolv.conf


> Dear List Member,
> 
> I just configured my ppp.
> When I try to connect to internet, I got an error message :
> 
> -
> /etc/resolv.conf
> 
> is missing or can't be read
> ask your system administrator  to create this file
> ---
> 
> When I check in /etc, there is no file named resolv.conf
> I am using Sarge and HSF internal modem in PIII Box
> 
> Any comments from you would be appreciated.
> 
> Regards,
> Endianto, newbie  
> 


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Re: Debian sid and "risk management"

[Rogério Brito]

On Dec 25 2004, Bob Alexander wrote:
> Of course you should not "trust" packages which have just appeared since 
> they will most probably never have crit bugs. Correct ? For instance the 
> LVM2 and HAL examples I was making appeared a few hours agon on the 
> mirror I use.

Just hang on a second! If you are so afraid of breaking your system, you
should not be using sid, but using testing instead.

With testing, you have relatively recent software and you are "protected"
by the "barrier" of the testing scripts, that only let a package get into
testing if things are reasonably consistent. You can even use apt-pinning
for grabbing something from unstable in the rare event that you need
something from there.

But, IMVHO, every user that depends on some stability and, for some reason,
needs newer packages than those in stable, should use testing instead, not
sid. This way, you are helping the Debian community by seeing if testing is
in a "releasable" state (which is the intention, anyway).

Of course, if you don't *need* stability, then go ahead and use sid. And
file the bugs that you encounter, perhaps preventing the package from
floating to testing.


Just my 2 cents, Rogério Brito.

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Re: Linux Functionality?

[Curt Howland]

Ed, 

First, just like you had a "first", I've been using Linux since 1995.

I view/listen all kinds of multimedia, but don't expect to get 
entirely away from the megahertz requirements. While Linux is much 
more resource friendly than Windows, movies still require at least 
800MHz to be viewable while doing anything else at the same time. But 
compare that to what WinXP requires, it's a dream!

Playing music, pulling pictures from cameras, manipulating 
photographs, recording CDs and even DVDs all exist in forms that run 
on Linux.

You're right about "point and click" installation. While Debian has 
over 16 thousand packages which indeed are as easy as "point and 
click" to install, a game like Savage which comes from a 3rd party 
can require you to know where to install it instead of it installing 
somewhere whether you like it or not. Linux systems allow for much 
greater granularity of control.

Konqueror, Firefox, Opera and the other browsers work as "file 
managers" which will allow double-click launching of programs, copy, 
move, delete, as well as file association. The difference is that 
there are still "console only" programs that run just fine in a 
terminal window without opening a new windows of their own to clutter 
things up and suck up resources.

But it is that very command-line "inconvenience" which is at the heart 
of the Linux systems frugality of system resources. There may be a 
few things to learn, but millions of people were able to install 
games under DOS back before Win95, and there is nothing in Linux 
which is any harder than that was.

There is no functionality of Windows that is not equaled or bettered 
in Debian Linux. The trick is to stop looking to the "kernel" for 
features, and look to the applications and tools that are available 
in such numbers and variety that makes what you get from Microsoft 
look like an old Wang word processor that took up an entire desk.

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Re: Debian on SATA HD

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Sun, 26 Dec 2004, roy wrote:
> I've never installed Debian (or linux) before, just wanted to make sure this
> is going to work (as for as the HD's concerned)...
> Has anyone done this before or can confirm SATA should not be a problem?

It will work. But you will need the correct kernel for whatever your SATA
controller is, and you will need to jump some hoops if you want to use the
old installer.  The new installer should work better.

So the next question is: what will drive your SATA HDs?  i.e. give us your
lspci output.

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Re: Debian on SATA HD

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Sat, 25 Dec 2004, dorn hetzel wrote:
> I wound up using a PATA boot disk and just use the 4 SATA
> disks after booting.  When I have more time, I do hear it's

There's no need for that. As soon as you can get a kernel that suports SATA
right to execute on system startup, you need no PATA disks anymore.

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Re: Debian sid and "risk management"

[Rogério Brito]

On Dec 25 2004, kurtz wrote:
> However, it's useful to have one's system wholy fu***d down at least once
> in one's live, just to know what sid's really about.

Yes, that is a good lesson. The hard way to learn, but also a good way to
see if you can get your act together when big troubles come haunt you.


Conservatively yours, Rogério Brito.

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Debian vs. Fedora on Laptops

[Ryan D'Baisse]

I am looking to move from FC2 to Debian, but have questions...

1. I am still a Linux newbie.  Most of the install issues, both with
the OS and with applications, have been taken care of for me with the
slick install wizard and the RPM-based installations.  How much of a
learning curve would one be faced with from Fedora to Debian?

2. I have been reading two books, "Linux Pocket Guide," by O'Reilly,
and "Beginning Linux Programming," by Wrox.  Both tend to stress Red
Hat and Fedora.  Will these books still be of use to me on Debian?

3. My primary machine is a laptop (Toshiba 5005-S507).  Most of the
info I can find on Google, pertaining to laptops, is for Fedora or
Mandrake.  How well does Debian handle laptops?  Any URLs would be
GREATLY appreciated.

4. My second biggest problem on Fedora was/is wireless support.  I am
currently using FC2 with Linuxant's DriverLoader software on my
Linksys WPC54G PCMCIA NIC.  Be honest; am I going to be crying if I
try to set this up?

5. And, finally, my biggest problem, and one of the reasons I am
looking to leave Fedora, is ACPI.  I have to bypass it with later
versions of the FC2 kernel and with the base install of FC3.  And,
unfortunately, there are problems with my NIC if I bypass it.  How
tightly integrated is ACPI with Debian?  Any chance I can get away
from these issues by switching from Fedora to Debian.

Thanks, in advance, to anyone who chooses to respond.  Again, I have
tried looking, but keep coming up with tons of info for Fedora and
Mandrake.  Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanx,
Ryan


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Re: Windows vs Linux Functionality?

[Ron Johnson]

On Sat, 2004-12-25 at 18:40 -0500, Ed Sutherland wrote:
> Let me hasten to say this is not, as the subject line might seem to 
> imply, a Linux-bashing question.
> 
> I'm considering moving from Windows XP to some form of Linux, most 
> likely debian. I'd like to know beforehand, what functionality I'll lose 
> when moving from Windows to debian. For instance, point-and-click 
> ease-of-use in installing applications. Another example: multimedia, 
> such as playing MP3 audio files or downloading pictures from my digital 
> camera.
> 
> I like the 'back-end' stability that Linux has, but question whether 
> that stability will be negated by a more difficult user interface, or 
> lack thereof. Windows users poo-poo Linux while fans of Linux complain 
> Windows is straight from h*ll -- isn't there a middle-ground truth? Thanks.

The thing is that Windows and Linux are *different*.  Thus, things
will not always be the same between the 2 systems.

There *are* ways to do GUI install, but not all s/w can be installed
point-and-click, and some s/w needs the command line to start, and
then does point-and-click for the rest of the installation.

You *will* have to get more familiar with the CLI (within "Command
Windows"), but That's OK.  It Won't Kill You.

The multimedia stuff does pretty well with some extra s/w, and I
am able to just plug my camera into the USB port, turn it on and,
in a moment, a dialog box asks me if I want to xfer any images
over.

You *will* have to get more familiar with the CLI (within "Command
Windows"), but That's OK.  It Won't Kill You.

For a fresh-from-Windows newbie, try Ubuntu Linux.  It's derived
from Debian, and is pointed at the Desktop.

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Re: Linux Functionality?

[Ron Johnson]

On Sat, 2004-12-25 at 20:33 -0500, Curt Howland wrote:
[snip]
> There is no functionality of Windows that is not equaled or bettered 
> in Debian Linux. The trick is to stop looking to the "kernel" for 

As someone who's been using Linux since 2000, and who's wife also
exclusively uses it, I must ask you, "Are you smoking crack?"

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Re: Debian on SATA HD

[dorn hetzel]

On Sat, Dec 25, 2004 at 11:52:57PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Dec 2004, dorn hetzel wrote:
> > I wound up using a PATA boot disk and just use the 4 SATA
> > disks after booting.  When I have more time, I do hear it's
> 
> There's no need for that. As soon as you can get a kernel that suports SATA
> right to execute on system startup, you need no PATA disks anymore.
>
I should have also said that all of my SATA disks are organized
into md raid devices and that's what I ran into trouble booting
from.  I've been told it can be done, I just had the PATA drive
available and it was the path of least resistance :)

On a side note, with a raid0 stripe across the PATA and 4*SATA
raptors, I'm getting sustained 240+ megabytes/second read and
write :) Makes for a very nice /tmp ...

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Re: Article about apt-build

[Chasecreek Systemhouse]

On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 21:42:14 +0200, George Danchev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You can also try sbuild, apt-src, pbuilder and apt-fu (still unofficial) from
> deb & deb-src http://des.petta-tech.bogomips.org/~eric/apt-fu/ ./

Wasn't it Larry Wall who said "Do we need 10 ways to do something?"

Almost makes me want to stick with /usr/local

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Re: Windows vs Linux Functionality?

[Paul Johnson]

On Saturday 25 December 2004 3:40 pm, Ed Sutherland wrote:

> I'd like to know beforehand, what functionality I'll lose when moving 
> from Windows to debian. For instance, point-and-click ease-of-use in 
> installing applications.  

You don't have that with Windows, though you'll gain it in Debian with 
aptitude.  In Windows, you have to drive to the store, buy the 
software, drive home, and *hope* setup.exe works like advertised.

In Debian, you just use aptitude to select the software you want and hit 
Go and wait for it to download and install.

Which is easier?

> Another example: multimedia,  
> such as playing MP3 audio files or downloading pictures from my 
> digital camera. 

Not sure about the camera, but media of almost every format imaginable 
is easy to play with a variety of players Windows users only imagine in 
their wildest wet dreams.
 
> I like the 'back-end' stability that Linux has, but question whether 
> that stability will be negated by a more difficult user interface, or 
> lack thereof. Windows users poo-poo Linux while fans of Linux complain 
> Windows is straight from h*ll -- isn't there a middle-ground truth? 

Not really.  Windows is losing ground to MacOS and Linux for good 
reason.  Grab one of the LiveCD distros and start playing around until 
you're ready to install to hard disk (in which, get a real distro 
instead of the live CD ones).

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Re: Windows vs Linux Functionality?

[Paul Johnson]

On Saturday 25 December 2004 4:39 pm, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
> As far as installing applications, with programs like synaptic (GUI
> point-and-click) and aptitude (console-based, but still very easy to
> use) it is simply a matter of choosing your new application, and
> telling it to go.

I would like to add that aptitude accepts mouse input if you're running 
it in a x-terminal (konsole, xterm, etc).

> In Windows-land many things are forced on the user with no easy
> avenue for change.  In Linux-land everything is your choice.  If you
> are having trouble choosing, then Google or post here on the list and
> I'm sure that you will receive plenty of replies from people on all
> sides of any particular choice.  Such as, which text editor is best
> (vim, of course) or which window manager is the slickest (naturally
> it is WindowMaker), and so on.

That's the biggest difference between using Windows and using Linux:  
You get free support from Linux just about anywhere if you know the 
right question (as opposed to Windows, where you pay $30 to sit on hold 
and get the wrong answer, no matter what the question).

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Re: Windows vs Linux Functionality?

[Paul Johnson]

On Saturday 25 December 2004 6:23 pm, Ron Johnson wrote:

> There *are* ways to do GUI install, but not all s/w can be installed
> point-and-click, and some s/w needs the command line to start, and
> then does point-and-click for the rest of the installation.

This is a nonissue.  kpackage spawns a terminal when you need it...
 

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Re: Linux Functionality?

[Paul Johnson]

On Saturday 25 December 2004 6:33 pm, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On Sat, 2004-12-25 at 20:33 -0500, Curt Howland wrote:
> [snip]
> > There is no functionality of Windows that is not equaled or bettered 
> > in Debian Linux. The trick is to stop looking to the "kernel" for 
> 
> As someone who's been using Linux since 2000, and who's wife also
> exclusively uses it, I must ask you, "Are you smoking crack?"

Are you?  Curt's got the right idea from the fragment he quoted.  I've 
yet come across something that Windows doesn't screw up better.

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Re: Windows vs Linux Functionality?

[Brian Pack]

On Sat, 2004-12-25 at 19:04 -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Saturday 25 December 2004 3:40 pm, Ed Sutherland wrote:
> > Another example: multimedia,  
> > such as playing MP3 audio files or downloading pictures from my 
> > digital camera. 
> 
> Not sure about the camera, but media of almost every format imaginable 
> is easy to play with a variety of players Windows users only imagine in 
> their wildest wet dreams.

So far I have found one, *one* multimedia function that I give more
points to windows. Searching out and updating ID3 tags for my mp3
files. 

With Musicmatch I can right click on a song, select super tagging/lookup
tags, and it will go onto the net and find the correct information for
the song.

I have yet to find a package for GNU/Linux that will do the job as
easily. Of course, once tagged, I'm right back with
XMMS/Juk/Rhythmbox/etc.

I tried a couple of months ago to install Musicmatch 9 with WINE, but
without success. Anyone get ver. 9 or 10 running with WINE?



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Re: Linux Functionality?

[Curt Howland]

Ron Johnson wrote:
> As someone who's been using Linux since 2000, and who's wife also
> exclusively uses it, I must ask you, "Are you smoking crack?"

No. Care to tell me why you think I'm smoking crack because I think 
that anything Windows does Debian Linux does as well or better?

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Re: Windows vs Linux Functionality?

[Paul Johnson]

English isn't read in random order, so please don't quote that way.
http://ursine.dyndns.org/Top_Posting

On Saturday 25 December 2004 7:20 pm, Ed Sutherland wrote:

> Actually, I rarely "drive to the store" for software, but order online 
> and the FedEx guy (or gal) brings it to my door. So far (and I admit 
> I've just gotten my feet wet with Windows installations) the process  
> installing programs (commercial, open source or somewhere in between)  
> has been rather smooth and uneventful.

Well, that still takes six to eight weeks longer than it should have to 
(not to mention the money part).
 
> I asked the question because my limited experience with Linux on the 
> ppc side often (although not so much with debain) involved frustrating 
> file dependancies or hang-ups where a package includes some -- but not 
> all -- necessary files, requiring the user to chase down a library or 
> other file. That may have improved.

The problem you describe is known as RPM hell.  I think you can guess 
why by now.  dpkg doesn't suffer that problem when you use apt: apt 
figures it all out for you.

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Mass-tagging MP3 files (was: Re: Windows vs Linux Functionality?)

[Rogério Brito]

On Dec 25 2004, Brian Pack wrote:
> With Musicmatch I can right click on a song, select super tagging/lookup
> tags, and it will go onto the net and find the correct information for
> the song.

While not as advanced as what you described, when I download some MP3 file
from the Internet and it is not up to my standards, I use the easytag
package (available in testing).

Its user interface is *not* intuitive, but after you learn its "modus
operandi", you will want to use it for almost all mass-tagging that you'll
have to do.

BTW, if it somehow integrated musicbrainz, it would perhaps had the ability
you described.


Hope this helps, Rogério Brito.

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Re: Startinf fvwm

[Sam Watkins]

On Dec 26 2004, Sam Watkins wrote:
> I do it the second way (more or less).  If you start X with "startx" you
> need to call the script ~/.xinitrc, if you use a display manager (gdm,
> xdm or kdm) you need to call it ~/.xsession

On Sat, Dec 25, 2004 at 11:09:27PM -0200, Rog?rio Brito wrote:
> I usually start X with "startx" (I don't like to use display managers) and
> I only have an ~/.xsession script, not an ~/.xinitrc script.
> 
> The funny thing is that with some other Unices that I've tried (indeed, it
> was quite long ago), the way that X worked was the way that you described.

funnily enough it _still_ works the way I described
(at least on my box!)  Maybe your box is set up differently.


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Re: oops, I broke something :)

[Sam Watkins]

On Sat, Dec 25, 2004 at 05:29:41PM -0500, dorn hetzel wrote:
> I installed GCC 3.4.3 to fix problems compiling
> some software, and then got into conflicts with
> different versions of the C libraries (or at 
> least that's what I think went wrong).

I've got both gcc-3.3.5 and gcc-3.4.4 installed (using apt-get), and I
don't think I have any problems with libraries.  I suggest you reinstall
whatever libraries you removed and then we can try to work out what the
problem was with that.


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Re: Linux Functionality?

[Alex Malinovich]

On Sat, 2004-12-25 at 22:38 -0500, Curt Howland wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
> > As someone who's been using Linux since 2000, and who's wife also
> > exclusively uses it, I must ask you, "Are you smoking crack?"
> 
> No. Care to tell me why you think I'm smoking crack because I think 
> that anything Windows does Debian Linux does as well or better?

Not to in any way support Windows as I use Debian exclusively at home
and at work, but to just back Ron up here, there are some things that
are better done in Windows (for the time being at least). Video editing
tools (at least the free ones that I've found for Linux) are ages behind
those available in Windows. Games are also another big one. There are
still no CAD applications to compete with the likes of AutoCAD. There
are no civil engineering tools that I know of for Linux to compete with
Microstation.

And though I hate to admit the need for tools such as these, SIMPLIFIED
GUI tools for specific tasks tend to be better in Windows. As a great
case in point, most digital cameras come with software included that
lets you quickly and easily crop, resize, or otherwise manipulate
photos. These are all things that can be done with Gimp or a few
command-line tools in Linux, but none of them are all that SIMPLE.
There's a great program by Kodak which makes cropping pictures a breeze.
It automagically suggests a selection of the photo to crop and, GASP, it
lets you DRAG the crop selection borders.

(This has always been a pet peeve of mine with The Gimp, though I
believe Photoshop suffers from it as well. WHY OH WHY can't we drag the
borders of a selection after we've made it??!?!?!)

As I said previously I am not at all a MS supporter, I'm just playing
the Devil's advocate here. Ron, I guess that would make you the
Devil. :)
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Re: Linux Functionality?

[Sam Watkins]

On Sat, Dec 25, 2004 at 08:33:50PM -0500, Curt Howland wrote:
> I view/listen all kinds of multimedia, but don't expect to get 
> entirely away from the megahertz requirements. While Linux is much 
> more resource friendly than Windows, movies still require at least 
> 800MHz to be viewable while doing anything else at the same time.

It depends what type of movies.  Normal not-too-big mpeg movies work
fine on a 200Mhz pentium mmx.  mpeg4 / divx / dvd movies may require a
faster machine.

> There is no functionality of Windows that is not equaled or bettered 
> in Debian Linux.

The only important thing Windows does better than Debian is implementing
the win32 platform.  Unfortunately there is some good software that some
people find necessary that runs on Windows and won't run under wine.  I
imagine business people with custom applications may find this a
compelling reason to stay with windows.

The are plenty of things that windows apparently does better than
Debian.  But in my opinion there are vastly, overwhelmingly more things
that Debian does better than windows (the things that I think matter).

For example, windows XP and Max OS X have a user-interface for switching
between multiples users' desktops.  We don't have such an interface in
Debian / under X as far as I know, but it possible to do the same sort
of thing from the command line, it's just that no one has gone to the
trouble to make a "click-and-drool" way to do this yet ;)

On the other hand, one thing that Debian does right, and windows doesn't
(or at least, hasn't in the past), is that if you download a program
from the web or receive it through email, your computer will refuse to
execute it until you explicitly give it "execute permission".  This
makes it impossible to accidentally get a virus while reading your
email.  Another thing is "rebooting" - in Debian when you install new
software, you never have to reboot the machine (unless you have
installed a new kernel).  You can even install new device drivers
without rebooting.

The fact is that all the software in Debian is designed to be good
useful software rather than to make money off you, or spy on you, or
whatever.  Whenever I am forced to use a windoze box these days I
experience almost constant fraustration.


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no kdm after upgrading to sarge

[jianan]

Hi,

Upon closer examination of log files, the following errors were encountered.

In syslog, "kdm_greet[875]: Can't open default user face.

In kdm.log, "kdmcore(KIconLoader): WARNING: Icon directory
/usr/share/icons/Default/group 192x192/ emblem not valid.
Many more such WARNINGs for different groups e.g. 96x96, 72x72 etc.

When I looked into these directories, they were all empty.

What's happening?


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