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[not yet :-( fixed] Re: hangs on Nforce2 & kernel 2.6.4

[Dominique Dumont]

Pim Bliek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> But, the suggestion by Dominique Dumont already proved to be the solution! 
> Changing the default udma5 to 3 with hdparm resolved the issue. I tested with 
> moving some really big files (300 M) from a VFAT partition to ext3 and vice 
> versa. It crashed on this before, but not anymore.

Sorry to spoil your fun, but I've tried debian's kernel 2.6.5 and it
hangs with udma3. Even a umda2 setting has hanged my machine after 2
hours.

For now I'm back to 2.4.25 to get a working machine.

On the other hand, it looks like kernel people are making some
progress:

http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1203

Some other workaround (and patches) are suggested.


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RE: Dynamically increase/reduce hardware raid partition?

[Michael Bellears]

Alvin Oga wrote:

> the "-m 1" is for things like mke2fs(fs formatting) not for
> cfdisk(low level partitions) 

Ah - ok.

> 
 If I add an additional 146.8G drive, and update the array(Raid
 BIOS), 
>>> 
>>> if you changed the "partition" ( raid bios )...  you lost all data
>>> - partitions are not dynamically resizable to add new disks to the
>>> array
>> 
>> I added the addiditional HD to the dynamic array (HP top tools) -
>> Giving a total of ~520G (As reported in HP Tool)
> 
> in order for you to be able to add a new disk to expand/grow
> your hardware raid, 3 things must work
>   - your hw raid controller tools needs to support
>   dynamically growing the raid array

Top Tools does.

> 
>   - your partition tools must be able to grow partition   across
>   multiple disls ( some partition tools allow you to
dynamically
>   resize ( partitions on the same disk, 256MB root fs to
512MB

Ok - Im running Reiser...problem is, when the new drive is added to the
array in Top Tools (And Array Size subsequently increases), it is not
reflected once in Debian - Would a partition utility re-create the
prtitions, and then magically give access to the additional space?

> 
>   - your filesystem must be able to grow across disks

Wouldn't Reiser just be seeing the array as a single drive though?

> 
> i'd expect all 3 requirement for adding a 5th disk to an
> existing 4-disk radi5 setup to fail
> 
> - you can make a new raid array of 4 more disks ...
> 
> - you can replace a dead disk with a fresh new one
> 
> - i doubt you can grow an existing array
>   - but its late .. maybe i'm missing something


Wow - Ok - How do people increase the size of there NFS(NAS) servers
then? When they need additional space, add new drive(s) and mount them
as separate partitions?


Regards,
MB

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Couldn't find a decent answer to this in google but goes as follows

If I have a cron job that is scheduled for the 31st of the month and the
month we are in doesn't have 31 days would it be run on the last day of
the month or not run at all?

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RE: Dynamically increase/reduce hardware raid partition?

[Alex Malinovich]

On Wed, 2004-04-14 at 03:04, Michael Bellears wrote:
> Alvin Oga wrote:
--snip--
> Ok - Im running Reiser...problem is, when the new drive is added to the
> array in Top Tools (And Array Size subsequently increases), it is not
> reflected once in Debian - Would a partition utility re-create the
> prtitions, and then magically give access to the additional space?

Just because the partition grows, it doesn't mean that the filesystem
will grow as well. You can have a 10 MB filesystem on a 300 GB
partition. What you need to do is grow the filesystem.

> > 
> > - your filesystem must be able to grow across disks
> 
> Wouldn't Reiser just be seeing the array as a single drive though?

Sorry, I missed the beginning of the thread, but I'm assuming you're
using a hardware RAID board? If that's the case, then yes, pretty much
everything on the system will see the array as one disk.

As long as you're using a hardware board, and you can somehow
dynamically increase the size of the partition, I don't see you having a
problem. The only possible complication is that the filesystem must be
unmounted before it can be resized. So if you need constant access to
the filesystem, I don't think there's much you can do. But if you can
afford a minute or two of downtime for the drive, it should be no
problem. Just use resize_reiserfs and resize the fs to fit the
partition. Hope that helps.

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RedHat -> Debian Migration: UW-IMAPD Problem

[Michael Bona]

Hi all,

I migrated a server running RH7.2 to Debian Woody without much problems
except UW-IMAPD. At the moment, I am testing it with only two users:

1) User1's Inbox is /var/mail/user1. I have copied the permissions on file
and directory from another server with a working setup (uid=username,
gid=mail, permissions 660). Trying to access the Inbox with Mozilla times
out without (for me) comprehensible error message. Mozilla configuration is
unchanged and worked for accessing the server when it was running RedHat.

2) User2 can log in (using Mozilla as well), but his Inbox is (for reasons
unknown to me and user2) ~/mbox. Mozilla can access it but needs 1-2
minutes for the first access in the morning (small number of mails, no
attachments). Further access no problem. I know UW-IMAPD copies new mail
from /var/mail/user2 to ~/mbox but why does it take so long? Should be a
matter of seconds.

Both effects are new and appeared only after migration to Debian. I have
another server running Debian (not migrated from anything) which runs fine
so I know it works. Anyone knows what else to do or how to track down
errors?

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[SID] Base Xsession file lost? And gdm error messages

[Sylvain Vedrenne]

Hello,

I've got various problems with gdm since I upgraded my SID 2 days ago.

Thanks to some of you I found out how to put Window Maker, Gnome, Xfce and KDE 
back into the drop-down list of gdm, 

BUT gdm still doesn't work correctly

(before finding about the new SomeWM.desktop files, I messed around for hours 
trying to fix the problem myself... mea culpa).


- When I select any session (Window Maker, etc.), gdm complains about not 
finding 'the base Xsession' script... though I have one in /etc/dm/Sessions/ 
and in other directories as well.

- Less disturbing: gdm also complains about 'XDMC' server not configured or 
something.

=> Do you know where the 'base' Xsession script is supposed to be?
And maybe how to generate a default Xsession?

Cheers,
Sylvain.


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Re: [not yet :-( fixed] Re: hangs on Nforce2 & kernel 2.6.4

[Pim Bliek | PingWings.nl]

Hiya,

>> But, the suggestion by Dominique Dumont already proved to be the
>> solution!
>> Changing the default udma5 to 3 with hdparm resolved the issue. I tested
>> with
>> moving some really big files (300 M) from a VFAT partition to ext3 and
>> vice
>> versa. It crashed on this before, but not anymore.
>
> Sorry to spoil your fun, but I've tried debian's kernel 2.6.5 and it
> hangs with udma3. Even a umda2 setting has hanged my machine after 2
> hours.
>
> For now I'm back to 2.4.25 to get a working machine.

Hmm, I am still on 2.6.4 with udma3... Not the best of the best, but it
works for me and is *stable*. So I guess I will refrain from upgrading to
2.6.5 or up before this thingie is fixed completely :).

>
> On the other hand, it looks like kernel people are making some
> progress:
>
> http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1203
>
> Some other workaround (and patches) are suggested.
Let's hope they are able to fix it. I would love to be able to use my
NForce2 at full speed, it is a very good chipset!

When do these hardware vendors get the general idea and release their
drivers Open Source?. that would make live so much easier...

Pim


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branding debian releases

[Will Trillich]

On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 05:58:57PM -0600, Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
> On 2004-04-12, Adam Aube penned:
> > Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
> >
> >> Well, "more unstable than the stable distribution" takes a lot longer
> >> to type and wouldn't fit on a CD volume label =P
> >
> > What about "current", then?
> 
> This would encourage people to use the unstable distribution, which by
> definition isn't considered ready for prime time.  The truth is that
> there are tradeoffs; a one-word name just isn't going to capture those
> tradeoffs.  If anything, the right term for unstable might be "head" or
> "tip" -- or would that be experimental?

or "breach"? :) just kidding.

it's important to note that the present branding scheme
(unstable / testing / stable) is certainly ACCURATE from the
point-of-view of the programmers and script-writers -- but for
the public-at-large, those terms seem MYSTERIOUS and engender
frequent explanations and lectures on this very list (enough to
warrant a FAQ, which a debian-newbie is unlikely to locate or to
read). often it seems like we have to dip into DAMAGE CONTROL
MODE simply because a newbie didn't "grok" the release naming
scheme.

so maybe a "public-oriented name scheme" is worthy of
consideration. that is, we could cautiously and considerately
select appropriate names for the releases that make sense to the
public at large, and:

1) not have to answer this question again!
2) improve dissemination of debian as folks are more
   likely to get the release they really want
3) watch the ranks grow and grow and grow...


here i brainstorm to conjure up some naming scheme possibilities
(referring to current status as of 13 apr 2004):

sid -- alternatives to "UNSTABLE":
-   "UNKNOWN"
-   "DANGEROUS"
-   "CAVORT"
-   "UNCERTAIN"
-   "BEWARE"

sarge -- alternatives to "TESTING":
-   "SOON"
-   "NEARLY"
-   "UPCOMING"
-   "ALMOST"
-   "NOT YET"

woody -- alternatives to "STABLE":
-   "SOLID"
-   "DEPENDABLE"
-   "READY"
-   "SERIOUS"
-   "STABLE" (heck, what could be more precise? :)

think of names that might help the debian-uninitiated grok a tad
more quickly the functionality and dependability of the release.

- wanna go play with the latest ready-to-break stuff? try
  the "DANGEROUS" release (ooh, sounds sexy, doesn't it?)
  and take your chances.

- want reasonably current stuff that hasn't been thoroughly
  proven? install the "ALMOST" release.

- can't stand the thought of downtime? stick with "STABLE"
  and expect it to deliver 700+ days uptime without breaking
  a sweat.

the idea would be to pick names that will make (appropriate)
sense to people who are NOT intimately invovled in the project.
by all means, keep the fun code names (slink, potato, woody,
sarge, sid...) behind-the-scenes, of course. :)

after brainstorming, of course, consideration of multilingual
translations would be important; also, beware of terms easily
warped into derogatory forms by "enemy camps" (think "marketing"
and "spin"). but first, we need to gather all ideas, even ones
that may seem silly.

comments welcome.


=


at serensoft part of our service -- after implementing a
reporting solution, typically -- is that we offer branded
documentation where we provide the clientele with three layers
of printed "help/manual":

"beginnings" -- gentle step-by-step for simple newbie tasks
"foundation" -- reference-like, showing 80% of all they'll need
"horizons"   -- show off advanced features, pique their interest

the naming system for debian releases could be like this.  when
we finalized our documentation name branding scheme (after much
trepidation) both the doc writers and the clients registered
better understanding of what was expected to be in each layer.

proper branding can really line up the perception with the
reality when your terms are cleverly chosen. and you have a lot
less explaining to do when first-timers quickly "get it" at
first glance.


=


okay, i admit it, i've got an ulterior motive: i'd love to see a
debian box in every basement and on every office desk. (i've got
two of each in my own house, of course.)

and i think the best way to see that happen is to make it easier
for joe average to 1) find out about the advantages of debian by
2) trying it out and having it work. a friendly installer, a
naming scheme that gets him to download the appropriate (i.e.
less likely to be disappointing) release, readable howtos that
are germaine to what he's interested in accomplishing with it,
and so forth.

this means departing from "we created it, and we understand it,
so becky had better learn to think the way we do" and moving
toward "what does becky expect, and how can we commun

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Re: [SID] Base Xsession file lost? And gdm error messages

[Sylvain Vedrenne]

On Wednesday 14 April 2004 11:02, Sylvain Vedrenne wrote:
SV> Hello,
SV>
SV> I've got various problems with gdm since I upgraded my SID 2 days ago.
SV>
SV> Thanks to some of you I found out how to put Window Maker, Gnome, Xfce
 and KDE SV> back into the drop-down list of gdm,
I mean I browsed recent messages from the list.
SV>
SV> BUT gdm still doesn't work correctly
SV>
SV> (before finding about the new SomeWM.desktop files, I messed around for
 hours SV> trying to fix the problem myself... mea culpa).
SV>
SV>
SV> - When I select any session (Window Maker, etc.), gdm complains about not
SV> finding 'the base Xsession' script... though I have one in
 /etc/dm/Sessions/ SV> and in other directories as well.
Worst than that: I cannot launch Window Maker from gdm.
I can only launch 'failsafe Xterm' or 'failsafe Gnome'. 
SV>
SV> - Less disturbing: gdm also complains about 'XDMC' server not configured
 or SV> something.
SV>
SV> => Do you know where the 'base' Xsession script is supposed to be?
SV> And maybe how to generate a default Xsession?
I already tried things like 
  apt-get remove gdm xdm kdm
  apt-get install gdm xdm kdm
and also
  dpkg-reconfigure gdm
  dpkg-reconfigure wmaker
  dpkg-reconfigure gnome-session

Without success :-(

I'm quite a Newbie with Debian.
Please help.

Sylvain.

SV>
SV> Cheers,
SV> Sylvain.
SV>
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Re: branding debian releases

[Pim Bliek | PingWings.nl]

Hi,

Yes, I have some comments :). I myself do not consider unstable to be so
extremely unstable as the name suggests. Naming it DANGEROUS sounds like
over-exegarating it even more being some kind of whoppy system that
crashes every 10 minutes or so. It sounds like it will *hurt* your brand
new shiny PC :).

I think the first question is of which user you want to attract. A good
system admin knows what stable/testing/unstable means, but if you want to
atract John Doe to run Debian as a desktop, we need to think a different
way. If you need to attract sysadmins, the stable/testing/unstable naming
schema is sufficient.

First of all, John Doe always wants the latest packages. He wants to be
able to play DVD's, MP3's, AVI's, surf the Web, read his email and create
a letter or resume in some kind of Word processor which is
Word-compatible. But he also wants it to just *run*. Stable.

Nowadays, if a John Doe comes up to me and asks me what distro to use, I
must honestly say I will not tell him to go the Debian-way. Too
complicated, and the stable distro is way too much out of date. I would
suggest Knoppix instead for instance. Unstable is a no-go although it has
proven stable to me, it does sometimes haves its quircks when upgrading
and is thereby not suitable for John Doe.

So in my opinion, Debian is not really ready for John Doe, except for when
he has a nice cousin who knows Debian and can install a good unstable box
for him (and maintain it) :). This approach works well for businesses,
where they have sysadmins installing the systems for the John Does in the
company. But for a home user, I will not suggest Debian.

Anyway, I think changing the naming scheme is not of real use at this
moment. It will not help John Doe, and the sysadmins do not need it.

However, I can imagine you want to attract sysadmins coming from a
different background (Windows f.i.!) willing to try the Linux-way. Would
be sure nice if they give Debian a proper try. If you want these people to
understand stable/testing/unstable you *could* think of different naming.
However, I think a prominent FAQ document on the same pages as INSTALL
docs and download locations on the Debian sites would be more helpfull.

My suggestions for new names:

Stable --> CURRENT_STABLE
Testing --> ALMOST_STABLE
Unstable --> NEW_NOT_PROVEN

Above gives the user a little more info, but a good FAQ would be far more
helpfull.

Comments more than welcome too :)

Pim Bliek


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Re: branding debian releases

[William Ballard]

On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 12:19:39PM +0200, Pim Bliek | PingWings.nl wrote:
> Stable --> CURRENT_STABLE
> Testing --> ALMOST_STABLE
> Unstable --> NEW_NOT_PROVEN

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=unstable

1. a) Tending strongly to change: unstable weather.
   b) Not constant; fluctuating: unstable vital signs.
2. a) Fickle.
   b) Lacking control of one's emotions; marked by unpredictable 
  behavior.
3.Not firmly placed; unsteady: an unstable ladder. 

Unstable seems like an accurate name to me.


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booting with same destop / app setup different video and network cards

[Robert Fernando -ntlworld]

Hi all,
Is it possible to configure linux to either auto detect a change in Ethernet
and video card or allow manual selection of the correct drivers at boot
time.
I.e. so that one hardisk can be shared between two pc with different
hardware.

Can the x Windows system be setup to use Intel Agp 470 video card in one
config and a Diamond Stealth 2500 in a another pc/ configuration ?

thanks
Robert Fernando
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Re: branding debian releases

[Pim Bliek | PingWings.nl]

> On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 12:19:39PM +0200, Pim Bliek | PingWings.nl wrote:
>> Stable --> CURRENT_STABLE
>> Testing --> ALMOST_STABLE
>> Unstable --> NEW_NOT_PROVEN
>
> http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=unstable
>
> 1. a) Tending strongly to change: unstable weather.
>b) Not constant; fluctuating: unstable vital signs.
> 2. a) Fickle.
>b) Lacking control of one's emotions; marked by unpredictable
>   behavior.
> 3.Not firmly placed; unsteady: an unstable ladder.
>
> Unstable seems like an accurate name to me.

Since your dictonairy is not aware of the term "unstable" in the
computer-world, it is not of much use in my humble opinion. Every
profession has his own jargon or language, and gives common words a
slightly different meaning sometimes.

In computer-world unstable means: is known to crash too often, or
something similar. It sounds like it is flaky, buggy crap :).

LOL, this reminds of the this UserFriendly strip some years ago with Greg
on top of a NT server, to reach some upper shelf in a cupboard, saying:
hmm, this server is actually pretty stable!

I am running a production server on unstable for over a year now with only
some really minor issues (4 or 5 things took me more than 10 minutes to
fix but were no major showstoppers). This machine needs hardly any
attention at all, and is running a postfix mailserver, courier-imap,
apache, subversion, squirrelmail, phpcollab, several zope/plone websites,
phpgroupware, mailman mailinglists, squid proxy server for my LAN, Samba
for fileserving and PDC for my LAN etcetera. For me and my users it has
proven more than stable.

However, I am going to move some of the above services to a rack-mounted
machine at an ISP soon. I *will* run stable there (with some backports)
because this machines needs to *absolutely* as stable as possible. (The
reason I am moving is of bandwith concerns and has nothing to do with
Debian).

Pim


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debian to logon ms exchange server

[lunardancer]

Hi, 

I'm a new linux user, the first important thing I'm facing is, to access company 
exchange server.  My company have a web access exchange, I paste the IP 
http://xx.xx.xx.xx/exchange to mozilla and an authorization window appear, but I 
cannot get access with my domain/user/passwd.  In windows after I logon to the domain, 
all ok. 

I think it's domain authorization problem. 

Do you have some tips on this?

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Re: branding debian releases

[Micha Feigin]

On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 04:29:57AM -0500, Will Trillich wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 05:58:57PM -0600, Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
> > On 2004-04-12, Adam Aube penned:
> > > Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
> > >
> > >> Well, "more unstable than the stable distribution" takes a lot longer
> > >> to type and wouldn't fit on a CD volume label =P
> > >
> > > What about "current", then?
> > 
> > This would encourage people to use the unstable distribution, which by
> > definition isn't considered ready for prime time.  The truth is that
> > there are tradeoffs; a one-word name just isn't going to capture those
> > tradeoffs.  If anything, the right term for unstable might be "head" or
> > "tip" -- or would that be experimental?
> 
> or "breach"? :) just kidding.
> 
> it's important to note that the present branding scheme
> (unstable / testing / stable) is certainly ACCURATE from the
> point-of-view of the programmers and script-writers -- but for
> the public-at-large, those terms seem MYSTERIOUS and engender
> frequent explanations and lectures on this very list (enough to
> warrant a FAQ, which a debian-newbie is unlikely to locate or to
> read). often it seems like we have to dip into DAMAGE CONTROL
> MODE simply because a newbie didn't "grok" the release naming
> scheme.
> 
> so maybe a "public-oriented name scheme" is worthy of
> consideration. that is, we could cautiously and considerately
> select appropriate names for the releases that make sense to the
> public at large, and:
> 
>   1) not have to answer this question again!
>   2) improve dissemination of debian as folks are more
>  likely to get the release they really want
>   3) watch the ranks grow and grow and grow...
> 
> 
> here i brainstorm to conjure up some naming scheme possibilities
> (referring to current status as of 13 apr 2004):
> 

I would go more with:

>   sid -- alternatives to "UNSTABLE":

- just out
- untested

>   -   "UNKNOWN"
>   -   "DANGEROUS"
>   -   "CAVORT"
>   -   "UNCERTAIN"
>   -   "BEWARE"
> 
>   sarge -- alternatives to "TESTING":

- desktop
- user
- mostly stable
- freezing

>   -   "SOON"
>   -   "NEARLY"
>   -   "UPCOMING"
>   -   "ALMOST"
>   -   "NOT YET"
> 
>   woody -- alternatives to "STABLE":

- server
- frozen

>   -   "SOLID"
>   -   "DEPENDABLE"
>   -   "READY"
>   -   "SERIOUS"
>   -   "STABLE" (heck, what could be more precise? :)
> 
> think of names that might help the debian-uninitiated grok a tad
> more quickly the functionality and dependability of the release.
> 
>   - wanna go play with the latest ready-to-break stuff? try
> the "DANGEROUS" release (ooh, sounds sexy, doesn't it?)
> and take your chances.
> 
>   - want reasonably current stuff that hasn't been thoroughly
> proven? install the "ALMOST" release.
> 
>   - can't stand the thought of downtime? stick with "STABLE"
> and expect it to deliver 700+ days uptime without breaking
> a sweat.
> 
> the idea would be to pick names that will make (appropriate)
> sense to people who are NOT intimately invovled in the project.
> by all means, keep the fun code names (slink, potato, woody,
> sarge, sid...) behind-the-scenes, of course. :)
> 
> after brainstorming, of course, consideration of multilingual
> translations would be important; also, beware of terms easily
> warped into derogatory forms by "enemy camps" (think "marketing"
> and "spin"). but first, we need to gather all ideas, even ones
> that may seem silly.
> 
> comments welcome.
> 
> 
> =
> 
> 
> at serensoft part of our service -- after implementing a
> reporting solution, typically -- is that we offer branded
> documentation where we provide the clientele with three layers
> of printed "help/manual":
> 
>   "beginnings" -- gentle step-by-step for simple newbie tasks
>   "foundation" -- reference-like, showing 80% of all they'll need
>   "horizons"   -- show off advanced features, pique their interest
> 
> the naming system for debian releases could be like this.  when
> we finalized our documentation name branding scheme (after much
> trepidation) both the doc writers and the clients registered
> better understanding of what was expected to be in each layer.
> 
> proper branding can really line up the perception with the
> reality when your terms are cleverly chosen. and you have a lot
> less explaining to do when first-timers quickly "get it" at
> first glance.
> 
> 
> =
> 
> 
> okay, i admit it, i've got an ulterior motive: i'd love to see a
> debian box in every basement and on every office desk. (i've got
> two of each in my own house, of course.)
> 
> and i think the best way to see that happen is to make it easier
> for joe average to 1) find out about the advantages of debian by
> 2) trying it out and 

RE: Dynamically increase/reduce hardware raid partition?

[Michael Bellears]

Alex Malinovich wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-04-14 at 03:04, Michael Bellears wrote:
>> Wouldn't Reiser just be seeing the array as a single drive though?
> 
> Sorry, I missed the beginning of the thread, but I'm assuming
> you're using a hardware RAID board?

Yes - Smart Array 6400

> 
> As long as you're using a hardware board, and you can somehow
> dynamically increase the size of the partition, I don't see
> you having a problem. The only possible complication is that
> the filesystem must be unmounted before it can be resized. So
> if you need constant access to the filesystem, I don't think
> there's much you can do. But if you can afford a minute or
> two of downtime for the drive, it should be no problem. Just
> use resize_reiserfs and resize the fs to fit the partition.
> Hope that helps.

Thanks for the info - I'll def. look into resize_reserfs and friends..

I also came across LVM (http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/index.html)
- Can anyone comment on the effectiveness/stability and if it would be
appropriate to my situation?..It certainly looks interesting.

Regards,
MB

Re: Kernel recompilation [solved]

[Jansen Carlo Sena]

Em Seg, 2004-04-12 às 14:13, strawks escreveu:
> You probably don't have specified an initrd for your kernel in your
> bootloader.
> This way, the kernel cannot mount the root fs because the ext3 module is
> not loaded.
> You can create an initrd image using mkinitrd (I don't really know how
> to make one, see manpage), or simply add support for ext3 and ide disks
> directly in the kernel, not as a module.
> 
> strawks.
> 
> On Mon, 2004-04-12 at 17:48, Jansen Carlo Sena wrote:
> > Ok, 
> > 
> > I moved the /boot/config-2.4.25-1-386 file to
> > /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.25/.config and ran "make oldconfig". After, I
> > just disabled APM and Local APIC support and enabled ACPI with battery,
> > AC Adapter, Button, Fan, Processor, Thermal Zone support (kernel
> > module).
> > 
> > When I rebooted my system using this new kernel I get the follow
> > message:
> > 
> > *
> > VFS: Cannot open root device "hda7" or 03:07
> > Please append a correct "root=" boot option
> > Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 03:07
> > *
> > 
> > All of my partitions were ext3 formatted. I looked the kernel configuration again 
> > and the ext3 was supported like a kernel module.
> > Are there other reasons to this problem?
> > 
> > What's wrong?
> > 
> > Jansen.
> 

Hi,

I used the follow command:

mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd- /lib/modules/

and after I included a initrd line in my /boot/grub/menu.lst file like
this:

title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.4.25.20040412
root(hd0,1)
kernel  /vmlinuz-2.4.25.20040412 root=/dev/hda7 ro
initrd  /initrd.img-2.4.25.20040412 <<< NEWLINE
savedefault
boot


and now, my new kernel is loading ok!

Thanks all, 

Jansen.


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Re: branding debian releases

[Gregory Seidman]

On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 12:19:39PM +0200, Pim Bliek | PingWings.nl wrote:
[...]
} I think the first question is of which user you want to attract. A good
} system admin knows what stable/testing/unstable means, but if you want to
} atract John Doe to run Debian as a desktop, we need to think a different
} way. If you need to attract sysadmins, the stable/testing/unstable naming
} schema is sufficient.

The idea of renaming the releases is coming up not because of marketing,
or attracting people. It is coming up because the current naming scheme
is causing misunderstanding among people who are trying Debian out. You
can argue that Debian is intended for sysadmins or experienced users (I
don't think Pim is arguing that, actually, but I expect that there are
those who would), but that's irrelevant.

The fact of the matter is that the mailing lists and IRC channels see
the same misunderstandings leading to the same questions (and sometimes
tirades) over and over. It is in the best interests of those of us who
want to provide the kind of community of tech support for which Debian
is famous to eliminate these misunderstandings so that our time can be
dedicated to solving other problems.

[...]
} Nowadays, if a John Doe comes up to me and asks me what distro to use, I
} must honestly say I will not tell him to go the Debian-way. Too
} complicated, and the stable distro is way too much out of date. I would
} suggest Knoppix instead for instance. Unstable is a no-go although it has
} proven stable to me, it does sometimes haves its quircks when upgrading
} and is thereby not suitable for John Doe.
} 
} So in my opinion, Debian is not really ready for John Doe, except for when
} he has a nice cousin who knows Debian and can install a good unstable box
} for him (and maintain it) :). This approach works well for businesses,
} where they have sysadmins installing the systems for the John Does in the
} company. But for a home user, I will not suggest Debian.

I recently recommended Xandros to someone. Honestly, if a user is looking
for a computing environment that Just Works, I'll recommend a commercial
distribution (with tech support) every time. This has little to do with
the Debian naming scheme, however.

} Anyway, I think changing the naming scheme is not of real use at this
} moment. It will not help John Doe, and the sysadmins do not need it.

But remember, we aren't trying to help John Doe, exactly. We're trying
to help ourselves by making John Doe less confused.

} However, I can imagine you want to attract sysadmins coming from a
} different background (Windows f.i.!) willing to try the Linux-way. Would
} be sure nice if they give Debian a proper try. If you want these people to
} understand stable/testing/unstable you *could* think of different naming.
} However, I think a prominent FAQ document on the same pages as INSTALL
} docs and download locations on the Debian sites would be more helpfull.

People don't read FAQs, no matter how much we would like them to. It is
far better to avoid confusion in the first place.

} My suggestions for new names:
} 
} Stable --> CURRENT_STABLE
} Testing --> ALMOST_STABLE
} Unstable --> NEW_NOT_PROVEN
[...]

Hm. Too long for my taste. People aren't going to bother typing
something that long in IRC. I'd say we want pithy but clear. How about:

stable ---> lowrisk
testing --> current
unstable -> earlyaccess

I can see an argument that testing should not be called current, since
CURRENT means something different in the BSD world. At the same time,
consider how the releases are actually used. The stable distribution is
most suitable for a) installation, and b) stable, high-security,
low-risk servers. The testing distribution is used for desktop machines
because it has current software, but is unlikely to break randomly (yes,
it still happens occasionally). The unstable distribution is used
package-by-package on many testing-based machines, and is also used by
savvy sysadmins who consider access to the latest software versions
worth the risk of broken packages.

That said, I think testing could be equally well named either
workstation or nearcurrent and achieve the same goals.

Just in case I didn't make it clear earlier, I consider this a
usability/documentation issue, not a marketing issue. The intended
result of any name change is a reduction in (repetitive) questions to
the mailing lists and IRC channels.

} Pim Bliek
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Bold letters in the title of the table

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Re: software raid and lvm

[Miquel van Smoorenburg]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Greg Sidelinger  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm trying to find some documentation how installing testing on a system
>using root on software raid1 and lmv. I've done some searching around
>and most of the stuff I have seen is for the 3.0 installer and not the
>new debian installer. So if anyone knows where I might find some
>documentation on this could you please let me know.

I'm not exactly sure what your goals are, but if you want to use
LVM just to create "partitions" on the RAID1 device, there is
another way. Recent 2.6 kernels have support for partitionable raid.

There's a MICRO-HOWTO at http://www.miquels.cistron.nl/raid/

Mike.


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Re: RAID performance

[Miquel van Smoorenburg]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Alvin Oga  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> As for filesystems, I personally prefer ReiserFS, but that's just
>> personal preference. If you're comfortable with ext3, then by all
>> means use ext3.
>
>ditto, reiserfs is a better choice than ext3
>
>   see the reiserfs vs ext3 benchmarks at namesys.com

With many small files reiserfs might be faster. But in all the
bonnie-like pure disk I/O tests I ran on fast disk arrays,
ext3 is much much faster than reiserfs.

And if you're using mainly large files, XFS is faster still.
Run your own benchmarks, don't trust others ...

Mike.


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Re: branding debian releases

[Kent West]

Gregory Seidman wrote:

On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 12:19:39PM +0200, Pim Bliek | PingWings.nl wrote:
} My suggestions for new names:
} 
} Stable --> CURRENT_STABLE
} Testing --> ALMOST_STABLE
} Unstable --> NEW_NOT_PROVEN
[...]

Hm. Too long for my taste. People aren't going to bother typing
something that long in IRC. I'd say we want pithy but clear. How about:
stable ---> lowrisk
testing --> current
unstable -> earlyaccess
 

Greg's is more pithy, but Pim's is more clear.

stable ---> current
testing --> next_version
unstable -> in_development
 or

stable ---> current
testing --> beta
unstable -> alpha
 or

stable ---> no_pain
testing --> pinprick
unstable -> broken_finger_or_three
 or

stable ---> lowrisk
testing --> somerisk
unstable -> morerisk
 or

stable ---> lowrisk
testing --> somerisk
unstable -> 
morerisk_but_better_than_any_other_distro_so_use_this_for_desktop_workstations

None of which I particularly like, but I had fun doing it . . . .

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Re: Licensed software

[John Hasler]

Please remove Ms Rance fron this thread.  I'm sure she has all the
information she needs by now (I emailed her privately) and dose not have
time to participate in our discussions.
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Re: branding debian releases

[Pim Bliek | PingWings.nl]

Hi All,

> The idea of renaming the releases is coming up not because of marketing,
> or attracting people. It is coming up because the current naming scheme
Hmm. You are right about that. However, I always like to make an analisys
on the 'bigger picture' before I start digging :). I think it is important
to keep in the back of your mind: "who are our users? what do they want?".
After alle, people make software for users (and for themselves off course
:)).

> is causing misunderstanding among people who are trying Debian out. You
> can argue that Debian is intended for sysadmins or experienced users (I
> don't think Pim is arguing that, actually, but I expect that there are
> those who would), but that's irrelevant.
Indeed. I was not aware there were so many miscommunications going on.
This happens when you work in a certain field for too long: you cannot
imagine people not understanding wat stable/testing/unstable means :).

> Hm. Too long for my taste. People aren't going to bother typing
> something that long in IRC. I'd say we want pithy but clear. How about:
>
> stable ---> lowrisk
> testing --> current
> unstable -> earlyaccess

Hmmm. If I read more down your post I come to another scheme which is a
good combination of what I was trying to say and what your point is:

stable --> server
testing --> desktop
unstable --> unstable / early / testing (!) / newstuff / fire / reddeb :)

What about this one? :).

'earlyaccess' is a bit too long too...

I came up with the above inspired by this part of your reply:
> consider how the releases are actually used. The stable distribution is
> most suitable for a) installation, and b) stable, high-security,
> low-risk servers. The testing distribution is used for desktop machines
> because it has current software, but is unlikely to break randomly (yes,

> Just in case I didn't make it clear earlier, I consider this a
> usability/documentation issue, not a marketing issue. The intended
> result of any name change is a reduction in (repetitive) questions to
> the mailing lists and IRC channels.
Correct, but.. it is also a marketing issue! People trying out unstable
who get dissapointments by broken packages are probably going away from
Debian. Marketing is all about expectations. What do people expect and
what do they get?

If we continue on the server / desktop / edgy route, the Debian Project
might consider a different releasing schedule as well...

server (stable) --> same as now. not often released. done when it is done.
once a year or so

desktop (testing) --> bring out 'releases', probably quarterly, with the
newest stuff, but properly tested. Properly enough for a desktop. The
change here is that you are going to announce 'official desktop
releases'... So you probably need some code-freezing etc too here, just
like we are doing now for stable. Big difference is focus on usability,
less on absolute stability like we do for Stable. Probably involves some
release management to be put in place for testing, but not as severe as
for stable.

edgy (unstable) --> just like it is now.

Good idea or absolute rubbish?

Pim


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Re: Crontab last days of the month..

[Wayne Topa]

Rus Foster([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
> Hi All,
> Couldn't find a decent answer to this in google but goes as follows
> 
> If I have a cron job that is scheduled for the 31st of the month and the
> month we are in doesn't have 31 days would it be run on the last day of
> the month or not run at all?

I bzip up all my mail at the end of the month and had the same
problem.  I solved it by having the script run 1 minute after midnight
on the 1st of the month.

:-) HTH, YMMV, HAND :-)
Wayne

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Re: anyone gotten udftools to work with CDRW?

[Kirk Lowery]

Lorenzo Prince wrote:
Hi.  I have an Artec WRR-4048 CDRW drive at /dev/hdc (linked to by
/dev/cdrom.) This drive supports packet writing mode according to
cdrecord.  However, when I try to setup udftools, I get an error
message that says:
[snip]

Has anyone been able to get this to work?  If so, what did you do?
Is there a certain module I need to load besides ide-cd?  Is there
something else I missed somewhere?
I am exactly where you are in this process. The word is that packet
writing support in *not* in the main kernel source tree for 2.6.x and
that you must patch the sources and compile a custom kernel.
The patch:

http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/patches/packet/

I have yet to do this. It's on my todo list. :-)

HTH,

Kirk
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Re: branding debian releases

[Monique Y. Mudama]

On 2004-04-14, Gregory Seidman penned:
>
> Hm. Too long for my taste. People aren't going to bother typing
> something that long in IRC. I'd say we want pithy but clear. How about:
>
> stable ---> lowrisk
> testing --> current
> unstable -> earlyaccess
>
> I can see an argument that testing should not be called current, since
> CURRENT means something different in the BSD world. At the same time,
> consider how the releases are actually used. The stable distribution is
> most suitable for a) installation, and b) stable, high-security,
> low-risk servers. The testing distribution is used for desktop machines
> because it has current software, but is unlikely to break randomly (yes,
> it still happens occasionally). The unstable distribution is used
> package-by-package on many testing-based machines, and is also used by
> savvy sysadmins who consider access to the latest software versions
> worth the risk of broken packages.
>
> That said, I think testing could be equally well named either
> workstation or nearcurrent and achieve the same goals.

My understanding of the 'testing' distribution is in conflict with your
description.  Testing is the last to receive security updates, and I
believe it is more prone to wide-ranging package bugs than is unstable.
I see it more as a developer sandbox than a live distribution.

Am I wrong?

> Just in case I didn't make it clear earlier, I consider this a
> usability/documentation issue, not a marketing issue. The intended
> result of any name change is a reduction in (repetitive) questions to
> the mailing lists and IRC channels.

I think it will be difficult/impossible to come up with a short name for
each of these that also communicates their characteristics.  At the very
least, though, the versions list on the debian website should take a
stab at explaining the tradeoffs.

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Re: branding debian releases

[Tom Massey]

Morning,

I vaguely suspect that renaming the releases won't actually solve the
problem that it's meant to - reducing confusion among new Debian users.
You're likely to just end up with a new set of labels to explain. Any
name you come up with is going to be too short to fully explain the
situation: call stable 'server', testing 'desktop' for example, and you
still have to explain that the server release is good for desktops if
you prefer stability over new stuff, and the desktop release might be
good for a server if you need more recent packages and don't want to
search for backports. You can't fit all that info into a short name.
I run unstable on my desktop machine, stable on my mail server because
I know what the names mean. Education as to what goes in to the various
Debian releases is the key, and changing the release names doesn't do
much for that.

The current names for releases are pretty good, I think. The confusion
comes from not knowing what the names apply to, not the names
themselves. What's needed is not new names, but a rethink of the
descriptions of releases as at .
Instead of calling stable "the one which we primarily recommend using.",
perhaps call it "the one which we primarily recommend using when
stablity is your main need." Testing then might be "the one which we
primarily recommend using when up to date software is your main need.",
and unstable "the one which we primarily recommend using when you
want the very latest and are willing to sacrifice stability." Or
something like that. Explain what the release names mean more accurately,
rather than use new names that will still need explanation.

Tom


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Re: ISDN and udev

[John L Fjellstad]

Simon Cahuk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> How can I use isdn with udev? Under gentoo udev works ok. Do I have to
> edit any files? If I do mknod ippp0, isdnctrl, isdn0 and restart
> /etc/init.d/isdnutils, my isdn card works. But when I reboot the
> machine, those three nodes don't exist any more.

Put those nodes in /etc/udev/links.conf, or wait until 023 or later gets
debianized. That version has support for the non-hardware related nodes
(ppp, loop etc)

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Another harmless error message on bootup

[David Baron]

This one has been there a while with all the 2.6.* kernels:

FATAL -- cannot find module ext2...ko (not logged anywhere). Initrd certainly 
does work and the ext3 root file sysem mounts up no problem.


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Re: branding debian releases

[Anthony Campbell]

On 14 Apr 2004, Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
> 
[snip] 

> My understanding of the 'testing' distribution is in conflict with your
> description.  Testing is the last to receive security updates, and I
> believe it is more prone to wide-ranging package bugs than is unstable.
> I see it more as a developer sandbox than a live distribution.
> 
> Am I wrong?
> 

I don't know, but I hope so! :)

I have to admit to keeping up to date with testing for well over a year,
but lacking the courage to make more than occasional forays into
unstable. But if you are right, perhaps I ought to change my policy.

Anthony
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OpenOffice 1.1.1 (Testing) loses settings ...

[Uwe Dippel]

FYI.

Did the usual update / upgrade. When starting, the 'reading script' dialog
came up and I smelled trouble. I could still select 'upgrade from 1.0.3'
or 'new' and clicked 'upgrade ...'.
But, alas, everything gone and I had to enter name, etc. blabla once again.

There is no export to Flash any longer, as well.

The spell-checker doesn't work either (I cannot guarantee, though, that it
worked with 1.1.0).

All in all: Not too good.
If it's again only, me; I'll manage. If I'm not the only one, though, I'd
better file a bug report.

What do the others experience ?


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libpam-runtime is broken in unstable.

[Ralph Crongeyer]

I was installing Debian unstable (SID) on a friends system on Monday 
evening and I could only get as far as:

Installing Sarge from a beta3 installer (no problems)

After the install I edited the /etc/apt/sources.list and from "testing" 
to "unstable", then I ran "apt-get update" followed by "apt-get 
dist-upgrade".

At this point I had libpam-runtime fail to install?



I tried to do a fresh install on my laptop last night (Tuesday) and 
after the install and changing my sources.list from "testing" to 
"unstable" I ran apt-get update and then apt-get dist-upgrade and the 
same package "libpam-runtime" fails to install. So it looks like 
libpam-runtime is broken in unstable because it has happened on two 
different machines with two different architectures. My friends desktop 
is a Athalon and my laptop is a Pentium4 Mobile.



Anyone else seeing this?



Ralph

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Re: OpenOffice 1.1.1 (Testing) loses settings ...

[Ralph Crongeyer]

Uwe Dippel wrote:

FYI.

Did the usual update / upgrade. When starting, the 'reading script' dialog
came up and I smelled trouble. I could still select 'upgrade from 1.0.3'
or 'new' and clicked 'upgrade ...'.
But, alas, everything gone and I had to enter name, etc. blabla once again.
There is no export to Flash any longer, as well.

The spell-checker doesn't work either (I cannot guarantee, though, that it
worked with 1.1.0).
 

You need to install myspell and myspell-en for the spell checker. Look 
in kpackage or synaptic to find the actual names.

All in all: Not too good.
If it's again only, me; I'll manage. If I'm not the only one, though, I'd
better file a bug report.
What do the others experience ?

 



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Re: libpam-runtime is broken in unstable.

[Florian Ernst]

Hello Ralph!

On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 10:52:41AM -0400, Ralph Crongeyer wrote:
> I was installing Debian unstable (SID) on a friends system on Monday 
> evening and I could only get as far as:
> [...] 
> At this point I had libpam-runtime fail to install?
> [...] 
> Anyone else seeing this?

Whe using unstable one should be able to check the Bug Tracking
System, there are several reports dealing with this issue...

Cheers,
Flo


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Re: Debian has turned unusable.

[Micha Feigin]

On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 07:54:23PM +0200, Trollcollect wrote:
> Hello list,
> 
> after 3 days of twiddling with a "recent" copy of
> debians woody release i need to vent a bit of the
> anger and frustration that this distribution has
> caused.
> 
> I want to start with saying that i was a strong
> advocate of debian compared to distributions such as
> RedHat and SuSE. Being a UNIX admin professionally
> (Solaris mainly), i felt home on a debian system
> pretty quick, and the packaging method was unique
> among all linux deriatives i have seen. Also i used to
> like debians approach of stability before
> bleeding-edge stuff.
> 
> However as i have to install a small network now (7
> WS's and one server), i have to reconsider this
> assessment. I downloaded woody (2 failed attempts to
> get an installation CD with the new jigdo method).
> What i got after installation was 
> - a 2.2 Kernel without ext3 support
> - a KDE 2.0
> overall totally outdated and useless versions of
> libraries and software.
> 

I installed several times from the woody cd and if you start the
installation with the bf24 option you will get a 2.4 kernel with an
option for ext3 and xfs file systems.

You can also install stable using the new installer.

> I then tried to figure out how to update those
> packages i need in recent versions. As i know KDE from
> Solaris, i trust enough in their own QA procedure to
> consider their 3.2.1 stable enough for usage. Why
> debian believes KDE 2.0 is more stable, or even usable
> at all, is beyond my understanding.
> 

I don't know the right sources.list entry but for a desktop system you
should use either testing/unstable or woody with backports.

There are backports for most desktop packages to current versions
including kde. It doesn't enter stable officially since stable is frozen
in terms of new packages it only takes security updates.

> However it turned out that i could not update only
> selected packages easily. In fact neither of dselect
> or apt-get seemed to have a method to do this in a
> sensible way. 
> 
> Now it MAY well be that i am just an idiot who is not
> capable of doing this, however i asked in a few linux
> related channels and also at work, noone could tell me
> how to set up a half-way decent debian without
> compromising the pkg system. Sure many told me to
> build it all by hand but then, without the packaging
> system what good is debian?
> 
> I hope that whoever is responsible for the direction
> debian is steering to currently thinks about the
> target of the whole distribution, which is to provide
> users with a decent linux system that comes stable,
> yet with all neccessary parts to be competetive among
> other distributions.
> 
> 
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Re: branding debian releases

[Chris Metzler]

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:19:39 +0300
Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>  sarge -- alternatives to "TESTING":
> 
>   - desktop
>   - user
>   - mostly stable
>   - freezing

Some of these would actually be dangerous, as they communicate something
about testing which is *not true*.  The descriptors you chose for each of
the three distributions give the impression that the stability (in the
bugginess sense, not in the "unchanging-with-time" sense) and usability
of the three form a spectrum with sid the worst, stable the best, and
testing in-between.  That's wrong.  It may be correct, or close to
correct, right now, when the main thing holding up the release is the
installer.  But it's not the general case -- sometimes, testing can be
more broken than sid (because of packages missing from testing that are
present in sid, security updates that haven't made it to testing that
are present in sid, etc.).  Running testing takes work; and if you don't
have to deal with things like a broken glibc or something like that, you
*do* have to deal with things like a nonfunctioning GNOME or KDE, or a
security update to perl that's four weeks behind sid, etc.

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Re: branding debian releases

[Chris Metzler]

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 07:59:49 -0600
"Monique Y. Mudama" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> My understanding of the 'testing' distribution is in conflict with your
> description.  Testing is the last to receive security updates, and I
> believe it is more prone to wide-ranging package bugs than is unstable.
> I see it more as a developer sandbox than a live distribution.
> 
> Am I wrong?

No, you're quite correct; and it's a point that's missing from most
of this discussion.  Testing is a box into which the components of
the next release are being collected; at any given time, some of the
components -- even ones which will be vital to the release -- may
not be present at all, or may not be useful because of problems
(security bugs) where the fixed component is still being tested
(is still in unstable and hasn't made it down to testing yet).
This is less true as we get close to release; but in the middle
of the release cycle, it's quite common.  All one has to do is
search the archives of this list to find many many posts asking
why GNOME in testing doesn't work right, why KDE in testing is
completely unusable at all, etc.; followed by the usual explanations
of what testing is.

-c

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Re: libpam-runtime is broken in unstable.

[Chris Metzler]

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:52:41 -0400
Ralph Crongeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
[ snip ]

> So it looks like 
> libpam-runtime is broken in unstable because it has happened on two 
> different machines with two different architectures. My friends desktop 
> is a Athalon and my laptop is a Pentium4 Mobile.
> 
> Anyone else seeing this?

What does the bug tracking system say about this package?

-c


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Re: libpam-runtime is broken in unstable.

[Ralph Crongeyer]

Florian Ernst wrote:

Hello Ralph!

On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 10:52:41AM -0400, Ralph Crongeyer wrote:
 

I was installing Debian unstable (SID) on a friends system on Monday 
evening and I could only get as far as:
[...] 
At this point I had libpam-runtime fail to install?
[...] 
Anyone else seeing this?
   

Whe using unstable one should be able to check the Bug Tracking
System, there are several reports dealing with this issue...
Cheers,
Flo
 

Thanks. I found it there, at:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=243512

BTW How do I find out if it's been fixed/closed?**

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apt-get upgrade == no eth0/sound for nforce2

[Paul W.]

I installed debian testing in mid febuary, and everything was working
fine.  The onboard ethernet and sound for my nforce2 board (shuttle xpc)
were detected, and worked.

Yesterday though I ran 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get upgrade', and after
booting the computer later that evening, was left without sound or network.

I do recall that gdm, cdrecord, and gftp were some of the packages
upgraded, though wouldn't think they'd have any bearing on the above.  I
tried to find a way to determine what else was changed, but am stumped -
maybe someone else knows.  This machine is a dualboot, and these devices
still work inside of windows (which i'm posting from).

Comparing an older bootlog to the current one, it seems that the
forcedeth and audio driver loadings aren't even attempted.  Line for
line they are identical, except where the ethernet or audio should be
loaded, there is nothing - not even an error.

Everything else appears to be normal.  USB is working, as is the
graphics card (compiled nvidia, add-in card, not built in).

I'm running kernel 2.4.24

I'd appreciate any help or pointers,

Thanks, Paul




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External CRT problem.

[Jansen Carlo Sena]

Hi all,

I'm trying to install a Debian sarge in a HP Pavilion ze4500 notebook. I 
already have many things configured but recently I'm working in External 
CRT interface.

When I plug a external Monitor in my system I can see just the text 
mode. The X doesn't work. My Fn+F5 button to change LCD to CRT doesn't 
work either.

I'm sending my XF86Config file.

Can anyone help me?

Regards,

Jansen.
Section "ServerLayout"
Identifier  "Main"
Screen  0 "Laptop Screen" 0 0
InputDevice "InternalKeyboard" "CoreKeyboard"
#   InputDevice "Touchpad" "CorePointer"
InputDevice "touchpad-ps2" "CorePointer"
InputDevice "USB Mouse" "CorePointer"
Option  "BlankTime" "5" 
#Option "StandbyTime"   "10"
#Option "SuspendTime"   "15"
Option  "OffTime"   "10"
EndSection

Section "ServerFlags"
Option  "AllowMouseOpenFail" "true"
Option  "xinerama" "true"
EndSection


Section "Files"
RgbPath  "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"
ModulePath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules"
#ModulePath   "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules-dri-trunk"
FontPath "unix/:7100"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/PEX"
# True type and type1 fonts are also handled via xftlib, see /etc/X11/XftConfig!
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/ttf/western"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/ttf/decoratives"
FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/truetype/openoffice"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/defoma/CID"
FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/defoma/TrueType"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load "synaptics"
Load  "ddc"  # ddc probing of monitor
Load  "GLcore"
Load  "dbe"
Load  "dri"
Load  "extmod"
Load  "glx"
Load  "bitmap" # bitmap-fonts
Load  "speedo"
Load  "type1"
Load  "freetype"
Load  "record"
#Load  "fbdevhw"
###
Load"vbe"
Load"int10"
Load"glint"
Load"drm"
Load"xaa"
EndSection


Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "InternalKeyboard"
Driver  "keyboard"
Option  "CoreKeyboard"
Option  "XkbRules" "xfree86"
Option  "XkbModel" "pc104"
Option  "XkbLayout" "us"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Touchpad"
Driver "synaptics"
Option  "SendCoreEvents"  "true"
Option  "SHMConfig" "on"
#Option "Protocol"  "event"
#Option "Device""/dev/input/event0"
Option  "Device""/dev/psaux"
Option  "Protocol"  "auto-dev"
#Option  "Edges" "1900 5400 1800 3900"
Option  "TopEdge"   "1350"
Option  "BottomEdge""4700"
Option  "LeftEdge"  "1280"
Option  "RightEdge" "5400"
Option  "FingerLow" "25"
Option  "FingerHigh""30"
#Option  "Finger""25 30"
Option  "MaxTapTime""180"
Option  "MaxTapMove""220"
Option  "EmulateMidButtonTime"  "75"
Option  "VertScrollDelta"   "100"
Option  "MinSpeed"  ".08" # "0.02"
Option  "MaxSpeed"  "0.18"
Option  "AccelFactor"   "0.0010"
Option  "LockedDrags"   "off"
Option  "UpDownScrolling"   "on"
Option  "RTCornerButton""0"
Option  "RBCornerButton""0"
Option  "LTCornerButton""0"
Option  "LBCornerButton""0"
Option  "TapButton1""1"
Option  "TapButton1""0"
Option  "TapButton1""0"

EndSection


Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Serial Mouse"
Driver  "mouse"
Option  "Protocol" "Microsoft"
Option  "Device" "/dev/ttyS0"
Option  "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
Option  "Emulate3Timeout" "70"
Option  "SendCoreEvents"  "t

Re: Crontab last days of the month..

[s. keeling]

Incoming from Wayne Topa:
> Rus Foster([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
> > Hi All,
> > Couldn't find a decent answer to this in google but goes as follows
> > 
> > If I have a cron job that is scheduled for the 31st of the month and the
> > month we are in doesn't have 31 days would it be run on the last day of
> > the month or not run at all?
> 
> I bzip up all my mail at the end of the month and had the same
> problem.  I solved it by having the script run 1 minute after midnight
> on the 1st of the month.

Another way is to run it every day, but have the script figure out if
it's the last day of the month, and exit if not.  I have no idea where
I found this, nor have I tested it extensively:

days_in_month () 
{ 
dim_m=${1:-`date +%m`};
dim_m=`monthnum $dim_m`;
case ${dim_m#0} in 
9 | 4 | 6 | 11)
echo 30
;;
1 | 3 | 5 | 7 | 8 | 10 | 12)
echo 31
;;
2)
is_leap_year ${2:-`date +%Y`} && echo 29 || echo 28
;;
esac
}


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Network gone, just like that

[Joost De Cock]

Hello all,

I have a weird issue. When booting my computer I no longer have my eth0
interface. The local interface is there, and it's working (I can ping the
loopback address) but eth0 is nowhere to be seen. (it was there yesterday)

When booting the computer I get an error from dhclient (eth0: no such device)
and if I try to manually configure it, it gives me the same.
I tried with knoppix, eth0 isn't there either, but I can configure it manually.
When I do so, I can ping the IP address I gave it but nothing else (I'm sure the
cable is working, tested it with my laptop.

Any ideas on how to troubleshoot this? I'm running sarge and I've tried with 3
different kernels (2.6.3, 2.6.0 and 2.4) but no go.

I've also swapped the NIC (I happen to have the same one lying around) but that
doesn't help either. Also, the NIC is detected (not sure where to look on the
cli, but in kinfocenter it's listed under the pci devices (it's a realtek))

I can really use some help here :s

joost


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gdm - Please, send me a default Xsession (Newbie in trouble)

[sylvain . vedrenne]

Hello,

=> Can any of you send me a default/example Xsession file?
=> And also tell me where it should be located to work?

I broke my gdm configuration 3 days ago 
with an apt-get upgrade (SID) + various attempts I made.

I'll avoid stupid attempts next time 
(such as removing a file/directory without enough knowledge...)

Thanks in advance!
Sylvain.

N.B: 
Yes, I already sent a mail to this list, but maybe it was too long/not clear?
" [SID] Base Xsession file lost? And gdm error messages"


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no modules in 2.4.18 security update for IA32/woody?

[David Rothenberger]

I just installed the kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 security update on my IA32 
machine and noticed that /lib/modules-2.4.18-1-686 was practically empty. 
 The /lib/modules directory for the previous version of the package had 
lots of modules.

Is this reasonable?  There have to be some modules, right?

Dave

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Re: Cron output logging

[Richard Kimber]

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 10:02:24 -0500
Dave Sherohman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 08, 2004 at 07:11:39PM +0100, Richard Kimber wrote:
> > I don't think it's coming directly from the *output* of the script. 
> > It seems to me that the script is doing something that now gets
> > logged that used not to be logged.  I think it must have to do with
> > the configuration of logcheck, but I can't find documentation that
> > explains fully enough how logcheck works so that I can stop it.
> 
> Maybe you already did this in an earlier message and I just forgot,
> but could you send the subject line of one of the email reports that
> you're trying to stop along with a sample of the relevant content?
> It's sounding to me like the people on the list think you're trying
> to stop mail from one source, but it's actually coming from somewhere
> else, perhaps logcheck, perhaps not; I haven't seen enough
> information to determine that.

I've been away, but just before I went I guessed a solution.  In
/etc/logcheck/ignore.d.workstation there is a series of files with names
of programs containing not very informative contents.  I guessed these
might be expressions for matching, and created a file called cron that
contained the line

*CRON*

on the basis that all the output I wanted to suppress contained "CRON"

This works, so all I need to do now is work out a proper regex that
applies only to the specific output.  It's a pity the logcheck man page
doesn't explain this.

- Richard
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Re: kernel 2.6.4 thourh make-kpkg

[CW Harris]

On Tue, Apr 13, 2004 at 10:49:02PM -0700, Umar Draz wrote:
> hi dear members
> 
>   i have new in debian. but have a experience of
> FreeBSD, Redhat, Solaris.

Welcome.

> 
>  now 3 days ago i have recompile kernel 2.6.4 in
> debian through source. and its working fine.
> 
> but now i want kernel recompile again 2.6.4 but with
> debian make-kpkg.

"make-kpkg" is in the "kernel-package" package.
("apt-get kernel-package" to install).

After installing it, read /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz, it
contains very detailed steps on how to use it.  At its simplest it can
be:

make-kpkg clean
make-kpkg --revision=Custom.1.0 kernel-image
make-kpkg --initrd --revision=Custom.1.0 kernel-image <-- if initrd used



As you will see in the README file, the "fakeroot" package is recommended
as a means to use make-kpkg as a non-root user.  (make-kpkg will
complain about some of the steps if you are not root, or do not use
fakeroot, or equivalent.)  Then all that is required as root is the
kernel install.

HTH

> 
> plz help me step by step what kind of files require
> for debian way kernel compile
> 
> thanks and regards
> 
> umar draz

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Re: no modules in 2.4.18 security update for IA32/woody?

[Colin Watson]

On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 09:51:05AM -0700, David Rothenberger wrote:
> I just installed the kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 security update on my IA32 
> machine and noticed that /lib/modules-2.4.18-1-686 was practically empty. 
>  The /lib/modules directory for the previous version of the package had 
> lots of modules.
> 
> Is this reasonable?  There have to be some modules, right?

The security update was broken. :-( The security team are aware of it,
or so conversation on IRC would suggest ...

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Re: gdm - Please, send me a default Xsession (Newbie in trouble)

[Paul W.]

Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

> Hello,
> 
> => Can any of you send me a default/example Xsession file?
> => And also tell me where it should be located to work?
> 
> I broke my gdm configuration 3 days ago 
> with an apt-get upgrade (SID) + various attempts I made.
> 
> I'll avoid stupid attempts next time 
> (such as removing a file/directory without enough knowledge...)
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> Sylvain.
> 
> N.B: 
> Yes, I already sent a mail to this list, but maybe it was too
> long/not clear?
> " [SID] Base Xsession file lost? And gdm error messages"
> 

I had the same issue after upgrading gdm yesterday.  The file, instead
of being inside of /etc/gdm/Sessions is now supposed to be in one of a
few places (I think), I put mine in /etc/dm/Sesssions.  The contents of
the file:

[Desktop Entry]
Encoding=UTF-8
Name=Gnome
Comment=Log into Gnome
Exec=/usr/bin/gnome-session
Icon=
Type=Application

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Re: libpam-runtime is broken in unstable.

[Clive Menzies]

On (14/04/04 11:28), Chris Metzler wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 10:52:41 -0400
> Ralph Crongeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
>   [ snip ]
> 
> > So it looks like 
> > libpam-runtime is broken in unstable because it has happened on two 
> > different machines with two different architectures. My friends desktop 
> > is a Athalon and my laptop is a Pentium4 Mobile.
> > 
> > Anyone else seeing this?
> 
> What does the bug tracking system say about this package?
Go to: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=243426

The fix is to touch /etc/pam.d/other.pre-upgrade and then your upgrade
will continue.

HTH

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Re: no modules in 2.4.18 security update for IA32/woody?

[Ray]

On Wednesday 14 April 2004 11:51, David Rothenberger wrote:
> I just installed the kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 security update on
> my IA32 machine and noticed that /lib/modules-2.4.18-1-686 was
> practically empty. The /lib/modules directory for the previous
> version of the package had lots of modules.
>
> Is this reasonable?  There have to be some modules, right?
>
> Dave

there is a critical bug in kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 security update
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=243725

Package: kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686
Version: 2.4.18-13
Severity: critical
Justification: breaks the whole system


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Re: branding debian releases

[William Ballard]

On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 01:14:45PM +0200, Pim Bliek | PingWings.nl wrote:
> In computer-world unstable means: is known to crash too often, or
> something similar. It sounds like it is flaky, buggy crap :).

I worked at Microsoft for 3 years.  They build NT Daily.  They have:

* Daily Builds
* IDW Builds
* IDS Builds
* PDC Builds
* Beta Builds
* RC Builds
* Gold Builds
* QFE Builds
* Service Pack Builds

Daily Builds are expected to fail.  IDW Builds are about the equivalent 
of Debian's Experimental.  IDS Builds are about the equivalent of 
Debian's Unstable: they are shipped to ISVs, most people are expected to 
run them, they mostly work, Microsoft ran www.microsoft.com off them for 
about 1 year before Windows 2003 shipped, at first in a very limited 
way, then in a big way.  IDS builds are built about every 4-6 weeks, 
sometimes more often.

An IDS Build is occasionally forked into a PDC, Beta, or RC Build.  For 
a period of about 2 months effort is made to stabilize the fork while 
Daily Builds proceed, usually starting to break significantly as new 
things are added.  Eventually an RC is selected to go Gold, however 
usually about 15-20 Daily's have happened, which becomes the basis for 
the next release.

The point of all this is, all types of builds except Dailies are "mostly 
usuable," however all except Gold are unstable.  (And Even Then... Har 
har har)

Unstable doesn't mean "expected to fail instantly."  Unstable means 
"expected to fail at all."


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sysvconfig -- A text menu based utility for configuring init script links

[John Hasler]

I've uploaded sysvconfig 0.6 to Experimental:

Package: sysvconfig
Architecture: all
Depends:  dialog
Description: A text menu based utility for configuring init script links
 It provides extensive explanations at each step.
 Some features supported by sysvconfig are:
  - Enable or disable services.
  - Edit init links.
  - Restore from backup file if you make a mistake.
  - Menu or command line interface.
  - View all services, each with its status and a brief description.


Sysvconfig no longer uses update-rc.d

Please test it, but realize that it _could_ render your system unbootable.
'sysvconfig --debug directory' will cause it to look in 'directory' for
init.d and the rc directories instead of in /etc, and attempt to put its
backup file there.


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Re: Network gone, just like that

[Paul W.]

> Hello all,
>
> I have a weird issue. When booting my computer I no longer have my
> eth0
> interface. The local interface is there, and it's working (I can ping
> the
> loopback address) but eth0 is nowhere to be seen. (it was there
> yesterday)
>
> When booting the computer I get an error from dhclient (eth0: no such
> device)



I have the exact symptoms, though I don't see the dhclient error on
boot, I do see it if I try to load it manually.

Did you upgrade anything yesterday?  I lost mine (I think) after an
apt-get upgrade.  I have an nforce2 chipset which has built in ethernet
and sound, and as both are gone for me - assumed it was the chipset.

Paul


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Re: Crontab last days of the month..

[Rick Pasotto]

On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 09:58:38AM -0600, s. keeling wrote:
> Incoming from Wayne Topa:
> > Rus Foster([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
> > > Hi All,
> > > Couldn't find a decent answer to this in google but goes as follows
> > > 
> > > If I have a cron job that is scheduled for the 31st of the month and the
> > > month we are in doesn't have 31 days would it be run on the last day of
> > > the month or not run at all?
> > 
> > I bzip up all my mail at the end of the month and had the same
> > problem.  I solved it by having the script run 1 minute after midnight
> > on the 1st of the month.
> 
> Another way is to run it every day, but have the script figure out if
> it's the last day of the month, and exit if not.  I have no idea where
> I found this, nor have I tested it extensively:
> 
> days_in_month () 
> { 
> dim_m=${1:-`date +%m`};
> dim_m=`monthnum $dim_m`;
> case ${dim_m#0} in 
> 9 | 4 | 6 | 11)
> echo 30
> ;;
> 1 | 3 | 5 | 7 | 8 | 10 | 12)
> echo 31
> ;;
> 2)
> is_leap_year ${2:-`date +%Y`} && echo 29 || echo 28
> ;;
> esac
> }

if [ $(date -d tomorrow '+%m') -ne $(date '+%m') ]
then
echo 'today is the last day of the month'
fi


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Re: branding debian releases

[William Ballard]

On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 10:32:40AM -0700, William Ballard wrote:
> Daily Builds are expected to fail.  IDW Builds are about the equivalent 
> of Debian's Experimental.  IDS Builds are about the equivalent of 
> Debian's Unstable: they are shipped to ISVs, most people are expected to 
> run them, they mostly work, Microsoft ran www.microsoft.com off them for 

IDW = Developer's Workstation, IDS = Deployment Server
I can't remember the exact meaning of the acronyms.

An IDW build is one that all Devs are expected to have running on their 
Primary build machines.  It's stable enough for experts to run.


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Re: gdm - Please, send me a default Xsession (Newbie in trouble)

[Aurel]

Hi,

try a dpkg-reconfigure gdm
then take a look at the /etc/dm/Sessions directory.
you'll find a file default.desktop. Add one file per desktop/WM you want 
to be launched using gdm.

Each file has to be in this form:

[Desktop Entry]
Name=Gnome / KDE / WMaker
Comment=Gnome / kde /Wmaker
Exec=/usr/bin/gnome-session / kdestart / wmaker
# no icon yet, only the top three are currently used
Icon=
Type=Application
Aurel

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello,

=> Can any of you send me a default/example Xsession file?
=> And also tell me where it should be located to work?
I broke my gdm configuration 3 days ago 
with an apt-get upgrade (SID) + various attempts I made.

I'll avoid stupid attempts next time 
(such as removing a file/directory without enough knowledge...)

Thanks in advance!
Sylvain.
N.B: 
Yes, I already sent a mail to this list, but maybe it was too long/not clear?
" [SID] Base Xsession file lost? And gdm error messages"

 



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Re: Network gone, just like that

[paul]

> Hello all,
> 
> I have a weird issue. When booting my computer I no longer have my
> eth0
> interface. The local interface is there, and it's working (I can ping
> the
> loopback address) but eth0 is nowhere to be seen. (it was there
> yesterday)
> 
> When booting the computer I get an error from dhclient (eth0: no such
> device)



I have the exact symptoms, though I don't see the dhclient error on
boot, I do see it if I try to load it manually.

Did you upgrade anything yesterday?  I lost mine (I think) after an
apt-get upgrade.  I have an nforce2 chipset which has built in ethernet
and sound, and as both are gone for me - assumed it was the chipset.

Paul


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[Sebastiaan]

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004, cookie lady wrote:

> TAKE ME OFF YOUR MAILING LIST
>

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see also the information attached to every message

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Re: kernel 2.6.4 thourh make-kpkg

[s. keeling]

Incoming from CW Harris:
> 
> "make-kpkg" is in the "kernel-package" package.
> ("apt-get kernel-package" to install).
> 
> After installing it, read /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz, it
> contains very detailed steps on how to use it.  At its simplest it can
> be:
> 
> make-kpkg clean
> make-kpkg --revision=Custom.1.0 kernel-image
> make-kpkg --initrd --revision=Custom.1.0 kernel-image <-- if initrd used
> 

make-kpkg --initrd --revision=Custom.1.0 kernel_image modules_image


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md5sum mismatch while upgrading mplayer-386

[H. S.]

Hi,

I was trying to update my Debian Sarge machine and apt-get said 
mplayer-386 was kept back. When I try to install it, it says there was a 
md5mismatch:

~# apt-get -m install mplayer-386
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Suggested packages:
  mplayer-doc
The following packages will be upgraded:
  mplayer-386
1 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 2898kB of archives.
After unpacking 53.2kB of additional disk space will be used.
Get:1 ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/main mplayer-386 
1:1.0-pre3cvs20040404-sarge0.2 [2898kB]
Fetched 2898kB in 10s (268kB/s)
Failed to fetch 
ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/mplayer-386_1.0-pre3cvs20040404-sarge0.2_i386.deb 
 MD5Sum mismatch



Anybody else facing this problem? That md5sum mismatch worried, hence 
this report.

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Re: gdm - Please, send me a default Xsession (Newbie in trouble) - Solved

[Sylvain Vedrenne]

Hi,

Finally I solved *all* the problems I had with gdm with:
   apt-get --purge remove gdm 
(it said it didn't remove /etc/dm/)
   rm -rf /etc/dm/  (so that everything is removed)
   apt-get install gdm

And now it works fine!

Cheers,
Sylvain.

On Wednesday 14 April 2004 19:21, you wrote:
PW> Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
PW>
PW> > Hello,
PW> >
PW> > => Can any of you send me a default/example Xsession file?
PW> > => And also tell me where it should be located to work?
PW> >
PW> > I broke my gdm configuration 3 days ago
PW> > with an apt-get upgrade (SID) + various attempts I made.
PW> >
PW> > I'll avoid stupid attempts next time
PW> > (such as removing a file/directory without enough knowledge...)
PW> >
PW> > Thanks in advance!
PW> > Sylvain.
PW> >
PW> > N.B:
PW> > Yes, I already sent a mail to this list, but maybe it was too
PW> > long/not clear?
PW> > " [SID] Base Xsession file lost? And gdm error messages"
PW> >
PW>
PW> I had the same issue after upgrading gdm yesterday.  The file, instead
PW> of being inside of /etc/gdm/Sessions is now supposed to be in one of a
PW> few places (I think), I put mine in /etc/dm/Sesssions.  The contents of
PW> the file:
PW>
PW> [Desktop Entry]
PW> Encoding=UTF-8
PW> Name=Gnome
PW> Comment=Log into Gnome
PW> Exec=/usr/bin/gnome-session
PW> Icon=
PW> Type=Application
PW>
PW> HTH, Paul
PW>
PW>

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Re: udev: how to do it right?

[John L Fjellstad]

Antonio Rodriguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> John, could you provide pointers to the documentation? I wan to
> understand all this before asking more questions. I would like to know
> how to identify my memstick in /sys for example.

Check the udev man pages. I really haven't seen any other
documentations, since everything is so new.  The howto earlier in the
thread is actually the first third-party documentation I've seeb.
Mostly picked up everything I know by hanging out on the linux-hotplug
mailing list.  So, please, ask... I promise to do my best to answer:-)

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Re: [SID] Base Xsession file lost? And gdm error messages - Solved

[Sylvain Vedrenne]

Hi,

No more problem by now.
Apparently, I got rid of *all* the symptoms I had with gdm by doing this:

     apt-get --purge remove gdm 
          (it said it didn't remove /etc/dm/)
     rm -rf /etc/dm/  (so that everything is removed)
     apt-get install gdm

And now it works fine! :-)

Cheers,
Sylvain.

On Wednesday 14 April 2004 11:02, you wrote:
SV> Hello,
SV>
SV> I've got various problems with gdm since I upgraded my SID 2 days ago.
SV>
SV> Thanks to some of you I found out how to put Window Maker, Gnome, Xfce
 and KDE SV> back into the drop-down list of gdm,
SV>
SV> BUT gdm still doesn't work correctly
SV>
SV> (before finding about the new SomeWM.desktop files, I messed around for
 hours SV> trying to fix the problem myself... mea culpa).
SV>
SV>
SV> - When I select any session (Window Maker, etc.), gdm complains about not
SV> finding 'the base Xsession' script... though I have one in
 /etc/dm/Sessions/ SV> and in other directories as well.
SV>
SV> - Less disturbing: gdm also complains about 'XDMC' server not configured
 or SV> something.
SV>
SV> => Do you know where the 'base' Xsession script is supposed to be?
SV> And maybe how to generate a default Xsession?
SV>
SV> Cheers,
SV> Sylvain.
SV>

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testing PPP connection

[Phil]

I've created a dial-in connection to my ISP,  I pon and get BSD compression 
messages and the like,  the modem lights all go on and seem to be 
functioning properly,  the data transmit lights seem to send the the data 
necessary to logon but browsers don't work in KDE or Gnome.

How can I test this situation in terminal mode to see if this PPP 
connection is really working.  why are the browsers not accessing the web??

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qmail - SMTP AUTH

[Daniel Guido]

I downloaded the qmail-src package from unstable and want to know how to 
get SMTP AUTH and TLS to work.

The patches available on the internet don't patch cleanly to the debian 
provided source.  After a little investigation I found 3 files in the 
/patches/ldap-patches/ directory that are named:
004a_smtp-auth-20020501a
004a_smtp-auth-20020501a.Makefile.patch
004a_smtp-auth-20020501a.qmail-smtpd.c.patch

Upon inspection these looks like the same code from 
http://members.elysium.pl/brush/qmail-smtpd-auth/

After running build-qmail I get a message saying that all the patches in 
the /patches/ directory have been applied already however it goes on to 
list them and skips over everything in the ldap-patches folder.

So my question is: Have the all the /patches/ldap-patches/ already been 
applied?  If not, how do I apply them and configure the resulting SMTP 
AUTH options?  And will the qmail TLS patch at 
http://inoa.net/qmail-tls/ still work?

My goal is to use nothing but qmail and the included pop3 daemon to 
serve up mail to roaming users while still allowing them to send; an 
ISP-like setup.  Can anyone help?  Thanks.

Dan

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Re: [not yet :-( fixed] Re: hangs on Nforce2 & kernel 2.6.4

[Kai Weber]

* Pim Bliek | PingWings.nl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1203
> >
> > Some other workaround (and patches) are suggested.
> Let's hope they are able to fix it. I would love to be able to use my
> NForce2 at full speed, it is a very good chipset!

As far as I know, Linus rejected the patch with a statement like
"Vendors should better repair their BIOS".

Too bad. I wait for a new BIOS version for my A7NX8X.

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Re: Network gone, just like that

[dircha]

Joost De Cock wrote:
When booting the computer I get an error from dhclient (eth0: no such device)
and if I try to manually configure it, it gives me the same.
I tried with knoppix, eth0 isn't there either, but I can configure it manually.
When I do so, I can ping the IP address I gave it but nothing else (I'm sure the
cable is working, tested it with my laptop.
So do I read you correctly, that you can configure it and ping other 
hosts under knoppix? By "configure it manually" do you mean assign it a 
static address, netmask, and gateway, and bring ifup with ifconfig?

Usually when you can ping a host with its numeric ip address but not 
with its name, this indicates you do not have any dns servers listed in 
/etc/resolv.conf. This information is usually contained in the lease you 
receive when you bring your interface up via DHCP (/var/lib/dhcp/), and 
automatically written to this file. Because you are bringing up your 
interface without DHCP, this information is not being provided.

Any ideas on how to troubleshoot this? I'm running sarge and I've tried with 3
different kernels (2.6.3, 2.6.0 and 2.4) but no go.
It will help if you can determine what you did prior to it failing. Did 
you install a different kernel? Off the top of my head I do not know 
what kernel module (driver) is required for your card. However, if you 
boot into knoppix again and execute a 'lsmod', you should be able to 
determine which module knoppix is correctly detecting.

Ensure that the kernel you are using either compiles this module into 
the kernel, or if it is included as a module, ensure that it is listed 
in your /etc/modules file.

I've also swapped the NIC (I happen to have the same one lying around) but that
doesn't help either. Also, the NIC is detected (not sure where to look on the
cli, but in kinfocenter it's listed under the pci devices (it's a realtek))
kinfocenter is able to determine the type of card whether or not the 
correct kernel module is loaded, so this doesn't help you much. Your 
problem is most likely not hardware related.

dircha

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Re: testing PPP connection

[s. keeling]

Incoming from Phil:
> I've created a dial-in connection to my ISP,  I pon and get BSD compression 
> messages and the like,  the modem lights all go on and seem to be 
> functioning properly,  the data transmit lights seem to send the the data 
> necessary to logon but browsers don't work in KDE or Gnome.
> 
> How can I test this situation in terminal mode to see if this PPP 
> connection is really working.  why are the browsers not accessing the web??

ping -c 2 64.233.167.104
ping -c 2 www.google.com

If the latter says something like "unknown host" or "cannot resolve
www.google.com", you've a dns problem.  What's in /etc/resolv.conf?

If neither of them say anything intelligible, then you haven't actually
created a connection.


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Re: branding debian releases

[mike]

> 
> it's important to note that the present branding scheme
> (unstable / testing / stable) is certainly ACCURATE from the
> point-of-view of the programmers and script-writers -- but for
> the public-at-large, those terms seem MYSTERIOUS and engender
> frequent explanations and lectures on this very list (enough to
> warrant a FAQ, which a debian-newbie is unlikely to locate or to
> read). often it seems like we have to dip into DAMAGE CONTROL
> MODE simply because a newbie didn't "grok" the release naming
> scheme.
> 
> so maybe a "public-oriented name scheme" is worthy of
> consideration. that is, we could cautiously and considerately
> select appropriate names for the releases that make sense to the
> public at large, and:
> 
>   1) not have to answer this question again!
>   2) improve dissemination of debian as folks are more
>  likely to get the release they really want
>   3) watch the ranks grow and grow and grow...

> 
> the idea would be to pick names that will make (appropriate)
> sense to people who are NOT intimately invovled in the project.
> by all means, keep the fun code names (slink, potato, woody,
> sarge, sid...) behind-the-scenes, of course. :)
> 
> after brainstorming, of course, consideration of multilingual
> translations would be important; also, beware of terms easily
> warped into derogatory forms by "enemy camps" (think "marketing"
> and "spin"). but first, we need to gather all ideas, even ones
> that may seem silly.
> 
> comments welcome.

I think the names are just fine.
The code names are great and the debian Names (Stable, Testing, Unstable) are 
as they should be. If they are changed, I think we would have more questions 
asking about the naming scheme.

Mike



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Re: testing PPP connection

[strawks]

Hi,

you can check the status of your ppp connexion with pppstatus.
You can also try to ping some hosts like google :
$ ping google.com

strawks.

On Wed, 2004-04-14 at 21:14, Phil wrote:
> I've created a dial-in connection to my ISP,  I pon and get BSD compression 
> messages and the like,  the modem lights all go on and seem to be 
> functioning properly,  the data transmit lights seem to send the the data 
> necessary to logon but browsers don't work in KDE or Gnome.
> 
> How can I test this situation in terminal mode to see if this PPP 
> connection is really working.  why are the browsers not accessing the web??
> 


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Graphics card

[Charles Rodgers]

Can someone recommend a currently available 64Mb graphics card that
they know to be reliably compatible with Kernal 2.4.18. ??
The Debian hardware compatibility list does not address the issue of
Kernal version.
Your answer will be gratefully appreciated.
TIA - Charles

Re: testing PPP connection

[Phil]

At 01:21 PM 4/14/04 -0600, you wrote:
Incoming from Phil:
> I've created a dial-in connection to my ISP,  I pon and get BSD 
compression
> messages and the like,  the modem lights all go on and seem to be
> functioning properly,  the data transmit lights seem to send the the data
> necessary to logon but browsers don't work in KDE or Gnome.
>
> How can I test this situation in terminal mode to see if this PPP
> connection is really working.  why are the browsers not accessing the web??

ping -c 2 64.233.167.104
ping -c 2 www.google.com
If the latter says something like "unknown host" or "cannot resolve
www.google.com", you've a dns problem.  What's in /etc/resolv.conf?
If neither of them say anything intelligible, then you haven't actually
created a connection.
Neither ping works.  the ip address returns 0 packets received,   100% loss
the google ping returns nothing needed to "ctrl C" to break out
resolv.conf contains ip addresses I do not recognize.  should I put in the 
primary and secondary DNS numbers for my provider?



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script to search completed auctions on ebay

[Antonis]

Does anyone know how to create a script that will search completed 
auctions on ebay and put the results in a text file?  I know how to do 
this for current auctions but not for completed auctions.
Thanks,
Antonis



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Re: Cannot boot from harddrive

[Chris Metzler]

On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 13:09:27 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Allan Wind) wrote:
>
> I changed the subject to be consistent with the problem you are seeing.

Yeah.  I didn't do that because I was sorta planning on doing this in
another thread in a few days, and I didn't wanna usurp Martin's
thread.


>On 2004-04-11T11:18:43-0400, Chris Metzler wrote:
>> The first problem is that OpenGL-intensive applications eventually
>> lock up the machine.
> 
> Could be heat.  Some of the Loki demos locked up my machine in a similar
> fashion, and it has otherwise been stable.

I don't think so, though.  I have lm_sensors installed and my temp numbers
(motherboard and cpu) don't change much.  That doesn't mean the video card
isn't getting hot, of course; but it has an intake fan *right* above it,
blowing down onto it; and I'd expect at least the motherboard to warm up
some in that case.  Plus, it sometimes happens promptly, like within 20
seconds of starting the app.  Not much time to heat up.


>> The second problem with my machine is much more serious:  I can no
>> longer boot from HD.
> 
> What changed that broke this?  

> Could you try booting with that disk in
> another machine (it would help you understand if this is a hardware or
> software issue)?

This is the one thing I haven't done.  I *have* tried other disks in
this machine, and had the same problem, and tried booting off disks
attached to both of the first two IDE channels; this suggested to me
that it really isn't a disk issue.  However, I should try booting off
one of these disks in another machine, as you suggest; even if I don't
think that's it, it's good to conclusively rule it out, and maybe I'll
get some useful diagnostics that way.


> If you using IDE drives, try leave only the harddrive
> on and make sure you set the BIOS to only try to boot using that device.

This I have done, and with more than one disk.  No luck; it just hangs
in the boot process.


> It sounds more like an issue with your boot loader,

I use grub.  A problem with the bootloader is what I first thought,
and my suspicions were further aroused by a thread I saw in grub
mailing lists about grub sometimes having a lockup-during-boot
problem with big disks.  But it's my understanding that the very
first thing grub does, before trying to read *anything* off any
disk, is write "GRUB" to the screen.  I don't get that far.  (In
the bug to which I refer, from the grub mailing lists, it does
get that far)  That doesn't mean it's not a bootloader problem,
of course; but it's as if it's choking immediately upon entering
main(), if so.


> or perhaps a
> master/slave issue than the BIOS breaking.

This I don't know what means.  Could you elaborate?  Thanks.

-c

P.S.  cc'ing you because it took me so long to reply; I figure you
might not see it in the list.  Sorry if that's a bad idea.


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Re: branding debian releases

[Micha Feigin]

On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 11:13:41AM -0400, Chris Metzler wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:19:39 +0300
> Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>sarge -- alternatives to "TESTING":
> > 
> > - desktop
> > - user
> > - mostly stable
> > - freezing
> 

In that case it should be:

Unstable -
Workstation
active
latest
user

testing -
testing
testbed

stable -
server
frozen

> Some of these would actually be dangerous, as they communicate something
> about testing which is *not true*.  The descriptors you chose for each of
> the three distributions give the impression that the stability (in the
> bugginess sense, not in the "unchanging-with-time" sense) and usability
> of the three form a spectrum with sid the worst, stable the best, and
> testing in-between.  That's wrong.  It may be correct, or close to
> correct, right now, when the main thing holding up the release is the
> installer.  But it's not the general case -- sometimes, testing can be
> more broken than sid (because of packages missing from testing that are
> present in sid, security updates that haven't made it to testing that
> are present in sid, etc.).  Running testing takes work; and if you don't
> have to deal with things like a broken glibc or something like that, you
> *do* have to deal with things like a nonfunctioning GNOME or KDE, or a
> security update to perl that's four weeks behind sid, etc.
> 
> -c
> 
> 
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Re: libpam-runtime is broken in unstable.

[Matt Kirchhoff]

Florian Ernst  uni-hd.de> writes:

> Whe using unstable one should be able to check the Bug Tracking
> System, there are several reports dealing with this issue...
> 
> Cheers,
> Flo
> 

The `apt-listbugs` package is useful in this case too, as it will list current 
bugs when running `apt-get upgrade`, for example.

-Matt Kirchhoff


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Re: branding debian releases

[Jeff Elkins]

On Wednesday 14 April 2004 03:18 pm, mike wrote:
>I think the names are just fine.
>The code names are great and the debian Names (Stable, Testing, Unstable)
> are as they should be. If they are changed, I think we would have more
> questions asking about the naming scheme.
>
>Mike

I agree with some that the current names don't really reflect reality, but 
Colin Watson has indicated the effort involved in changing them (hardcoded 
everywhere) would be better directed toward installer development.

Can you say moot?

Jeff

(happily running sid 2x years, thanks to this list)


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Debian XFree86 "-nolisten tcp"

[ms419]

I run a cluster of machines w/ only one display; I need to run lots of 
remote X apps. For performance, I think I need the X server listening 
on a TCP port - but Debian makes a big deal about the security 
implications. Have I any options besides A) using SSH, B) removing the 
"-nolisten tcp" option, (or C) avoiding remote X apps)?

Must I actually remove "-nolisten tcp" from "/etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc" 
and "/etc/X11/xdm/Xservers", or is there a "/etc/default" or dpkg 
switch I missed somewhere?

# - SECURITY NOTE: Always pass the "-nolisten tcp" option to the X
#   server, as shown in the examples below, unless you know you
#   need the X server listening on a TCP port.  Omitting this
#   option can expose your X server to attacks from remote hosts.
#   Note also that SSH's X11 port-forwarding option works even with
#   X servers that do not listen on a TCP port, so you do not need
#   to remove the "-nolisten tcp" option for SSH's benefit.
Thanks!

Jack

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reportbug locale complaints

[Ross Boylan]

Recently, I've been getting warnings about my locale when I start
reportbug:
*** Warning: unsupported locale setting
[the preceding appears at the very top.  Somewhat later I see..]
*** The following debconf settings were detected:
perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
LANGUAGE = (unset),
LC_ALL = (unset),
LANG = "en_US.UTF-8"
are supported and installed on your system.
perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory

I think these started appearing when I upgraded to XFree86 4.3, which
was also coincident with reportbug starting to use uxterm (I think it
was using xterm before, though perhaps it's just a labelling change).

My guess is I need to tweak some of my settings, but I don't really
understand this.  Can anyone clue me in?

By the way, I'm running under KDE 3.1.5 with reportbug 2.56.

Thanks.


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nfsd not running?

[ingirafn]

Hello, I am trying to bring up the nfs server. 

When I try to mount 

mount -t nfs 192.168.0.200:/home/folder /mnt

the computure says. 

mount: RPC: Progam not registered

I have /etc/hosts.allow

ALL:192.168.0.0/255  
ALL:192.168.0.198


/etc/hosts.deny is unconfigured. Nothing written.

I have /etc/exports 

/home/folder 192.168.0.0/255(rw)
/home/folder 192.168.0.198(rw)

I don't seem to have the nfs sever up and running

there is /proc/fs/nfs/ folder but no file?

I have nfscommon and the kernel-nfs something. 

But but but. 

What do I do wrong? 

Best 

Ingirafn 


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Re: need RAID driver for install, but no floppy drive

[Justin Guerin]

On Wednesday 14 April 2004 13:20, you wrote:
> On 04/13/2004 06:36 PM, Justin Guerin wrote:
> >On Tuesday 13 April 2004 14:32, Matt Morgan wrote:
> >>I'm trying to install Debian (3.0 r2) on a Penguin Computing Relion
> >> 140. It has an LSI MegaRAID disk controller; the driver is not present
> >> on CD1 of the install CD's, so the install can't find any hard disks
> >> to install on. Interestingly, the driver is present on the floppy
> >> install set I downloaded, and of course you can download it.
> >>
> >>[snip]
> >
> >Hi Matt,
> >
> >[snip]
> >
> >I don't think the .c and .h files will do you any good.  You need the
> >compiled version of the module, the .o file.  Copy it to your custom
> >CD-ROM.  If it's not already compiled, remember that you'll need to
> > compile the module against the kernel you want to use when you load it,
> > which in this case will be the install kernel.  But if you got this off
> > a floppy set, the .o should already exist, compiled for the correct
> > kernel.
> >
> >[snip]
>
> Justin, thanks for the excellent reply. Now I'm having trouble finding
> the driver on the floppies; I can mount the Rescue (Boot) floppy, but
> the other ones are an unknown file type ("mount: I could not determine
> the filesystem type, and none was specified") and I can't find the
> driver on the rescue floppy. How do I mount those Debian install
> floppies to get files off of them?
>
> Thanks,
> Matt

I couldn't mount a sample driver floppy I created, either.  My download 
could be corrupt, or I could have had a bogus option, but the error was 
that FAT has a bogus table entry or something along those lines.  So I'm 
thinking the file format is fat and my download was bad, but I don't know.

The good news is, you can download the driver archive.  See section 
11.2.3.3.2 on this page:
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-appendix.en.html#s-driver-images

>From there, you can extract the archive to a hard drive and search for the 
module there.  Then, copy it to your CD in a /boot directory on the disk.  
Then, it should work when you try to load a driver off the floppy using the 
installer, but if the installer doesn't detect any modules on the disk, you 
may have to mount it manually.  If that's not the problem, make sure the .o 
file is in /boot, with respect to the disk, so that after it's mounted, the 
path is /floppy/boot/.o (I think the installer uses /floppy as its 
mount point, but if it doesn't, change accordingly).  Then try again, or 
load the module manually.

I hope that helps.

Justin Guerin


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Re: Network gone, just like that

[Joost De Cock]

Quoting dircha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Joost De Cock wrote:
> > When booting the computer I get an error from dhclient (eth0: no such
> device)
> > and if I try to manually configure it, it gives me the same.
> > I tried with knoppix, eth0 isn't there either, but I can configure it
> manually.
> > When I do so, I can ping the IP address I gave it but nothing else (I'm
> sure the
> > cable is working, tested it with my laptop.
>
> So do I read you correctly, that you can configure it and ping other
> hosts under knoppix? By "configure it manually" do you mean assign it a
> static address, netmask, and gateway, and bring ifup with ifconfig?

No and yes. No I can not ping other hosts and yes I did assign it a static
address, netmask, broadcast and gateway. After doing that I could ping the IP
address that I assigned to it (doesn't leave the NIC) but no other hosts.

> Usually when you can ping a host with its numeric ip address but not
> with its name, this indicates you do not have any dns servers listed in
> /etc/resolv.conf.

As I said, I don't have network access (arp -a shows nothing)
>
> > Any ideas on how to troubleshoot this? I'm running sarge and I've tried
> with 3
> > different kernels (2.6.3, 2.6.0 and 2.4) but no go.
>
> It will help if you can determine what you did prior to it failing. Did
> you install a different kernel? Off the top of my head I do not know
> what kernel module (driver) is required for your card. However, if you
> boot into knoppix again and execute a 'lsmod', you should be able to
> determine which module knoppix is correctly detecting.

Many people (also off-list) pointed to kernel modules, so I kept trying untill I
found one that made a difference. After loading the 8139too module, I now have
the same situation as I have in knoppix.
I can see the interface, I can manually assign an IP address to it, but no
connection whatsoever. As a side node, the LEDs on the NIC are dead. I've once
again checked the cable and it's fine.

Is there a way to see what I've been apt-getting lately? I believe this could be
caused by upgrading something, but I must admit that I run synaptic with my eyes
closed :)
I do remember a post where someone said that synaptic keeps a log. I've looked
for it but I couldn't find it and the help doesn't mention it either.

Bottom line, my interface is back, but it's just sitting there :(

Any idea would be welcome!

joost


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Re: apt-get upgrade == no eth0/sound for nforce2

[paul]

I've since found that before the apg-get upgrade my machine was loading
23 modules, but now is just loading 19.  One of those not being loaded
is hotplug, which I thought it was before.  Could this one module be
responsible for loading the ethernet and sound?

modconf shows four drivers for hotplug, any idea which is most appropriate? 

I'm still not sure what I upgraded yesterday (if in fact that was it)
that would cause this... 

Thanks again,  Paul


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Re: reportbug locale complaints

[Antonio Rodriguez]

On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 01:09:29PM -0700, Ross Boylan wrote:
> Recently, I've been getting warnings about my locale when I start
> reportbug:
> *** Warning: unsupported locale setting
> [the preceding appears at the very top.  Somewhat later I see..]
> *** The following debconf settings were detected:
> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
> LANGUAGE = (unset),
> LC_ALL = (unset),
> LANG = "en_US.UTF-8"
> are supported and installed on your system.
> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory
> locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
> 
> I think these started appearing when I upgraded to XFree86 4.3, which
> was also coincident with reportbug starting to use uxterm (I think it
> was using xterm before, though perhaps it's just a labelling change).
> 
> My guess is I need to tweak some of my settings, but I don't really
> understand this.  Can anyone clue me in?
> 
> By the way, I'm running under KDE 3.1.5 with reportbug 2.56.
> 
> Thanks.

 may be report a bug on reportbug?


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Re: OpenOffice 1.1.1 (Testing) loses settings ...

[steef]

Uwe Dippel wrote:

FYI.

Did the usual update / upgrade. When starting, the 'reading script' dialog
came up and I smelled trouble. I could still select 'upgrade from 1.0.3'
or 'new' and clicked 'upgrade ...'.
But, alas, everything gone and I had to enter name, etc. blabla once again.
There is no export to Flash any longer, as well.

The spell-checker doesn't work either (I cannot guarantee, though, that it
worked with 1.1.0).
All in all: Not too good.
If it's again only, me; I'll manage. If I'm not the only one, though, I'd
better file a bug report.
What do the others experience ?

 

welli loaded up the dutch version of openoffice 1.1.0. last 
spell-checker (dutch, 9/4/2004) does not work: seems to have no 
wordlist. costed me hours to find out that this part did not work 
properly. rather annoying: i am a journalist publicist and really need 
those files in working order. a friend of mine called openoffice the 
worst invention since skippy: i do not agree with him for the last 
versions. before i had regular some unforeseen trouble with writing. as 
i said; in 1.1.0. it is somewhat better.

1.1.1 (english version), community-made together with sun, works fine so 
far. after i decided, frustrated, to get rid of the dutch 1.1.0 version. 
same problem in 1.1.1 with the dutch spellcheker as in the dutch 
version. so i loaded 'at the end of my patience' up from a cdrom an 
older, perfect version. annoying as well is the absence in 1.1.1. too of 
a plug for opening up .pdf-files. altogether rather sloppy, and really 
stupid to put an untested (?) spellcheckerversion on the openofficesite. 
yet: all together more promising than before when i was 'forced'  to use 
microsoft-word instead of - long, long ago - my beloved word-perfect. it 
would be nice if conversion vice versa to the WP 5.1 and 6.0 version  
could be realized  under openoffice.

steef



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Re: Re: Linux/Windows Universal Benchmark

[Andy Morris]

Just been browsing and came across this dicussion, 
and thought i might be able to give some input.
 
I'm a software grad (well this summer) and use 
both linux(gentoo 2.6.xxx cant remember specifically) and xp pro sp1 as home 
os's (games, dev etc) and when building a fairly small application i felt that 
it was taking too long to build my code using linux (approx 70 secs).  So I 
logged into my windows and it did it in under 40 secs, quite a 
difference.
 
However, these two machines were of different 
spec
 
xp:    2500xp(1.833mhz) barton 
512cache,1gig ram, 7200 sata hdd (high spec)
linux:1900xp(1.6mhz)  thoroughbred 256cache, 
1gig ram, 5400 ide hdd (fairly low spec)
 
I would accept a relatively small diff between the 
two machines (but a difference since one is more powerful) and since there were 
approx 150 source files the hard drive reads could have caused a 
difference.
 
So what I had was a biased test 
result.
 
My first thoughts would be to write a tiny 
application that would not use the harddrive and compare again,  so i made 
a simple program to count from 0 to a parameter x number of times, test data was 
to count 0-9 100 times. XP box did it in 3mins 10 secs, linux 5 mins 4 
secs ( i did this numerous times and results were always v similar). Again big 
difference, so it definetely wasn't the harddrive's access time etc.  So 
the only way I was going to find out was to install Linux on my xp box and dual 
boot it (which I did).
 
So XP and Gentoo Linux on the same box, and xp 
still beats it hands down (it only improved by around 30 secs), which really 
dissapointed me.  It makes me want to use my xp box for more stuff than 
previously, which i had been trying not since i like using kde over the Windows 
desktop
 
Now one thing I should have mentioned earlier 
is that the app was written in Java (compiled using Sun's jdk1.4.2 (not gentoo's 
blackdown since it's too buggy)) and we are therefore also testing the platform 
implementation of the VM (if you don't know about java basically when code runs 
there is a middleman between the code running and the OS (the Java Virtual 
Machine).  It is possible that the jdk does not work as well on Linux but 
this is what I use and so do millions of others, and therefore it's can 
be a v good benchmark.  I will shortly if i get some time repeat the 
tests in C++ to remove this factor (it interfaces directly with the OS since 
it's compiled into native binaries) and if any1 does care for the result then 
let me know.
 
Now if you think my benchmark is totally 
unsafe/inaccurate as a means for benchmarking then feel free to state so, but 
compiling and running java code is something I do frequently, and Linux can't 
seem to do it as quickly as XP.
 
Just to some up my findings, XP runs simple 
sequential cpu tasks not much less than twice the speed of Linux.
 
My afterthoughts about the two OS's is that if I 
ran multiple threads of my test (say 500) that my XP box would flake out and 
linux would handle it much better, perhaps when i go away for the wkend next 
i'll do that but right now iv got far too much work to do on them (final yr 
proj).
 
Hope this helped any1,
 
-andy

Re: reportbug locale complaints

[Chris Metzler]

On Wed, 14 Apr 2004 13:09:29 -0700
Ross Boylan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Recently, I've been getting warnings about my locale when I start
> reportbug:
> *** Warning: unsupported locale setting
> [the preceding appears at the very top.  Somewhat later I see..]
> *** The following debconf settings were detected:
> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
> LANGUAGE = (unset),
> LC_ALL = (unset),
> LANG = "en_US.UTF-8"
> are supported and installed on your system.
> perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C").
> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
> locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or
> directory locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or
> directory
> 
> I think these started appearing when I upgraded to XFree86 4.3, which
> was also coincident with reportbug starting to use uxterm (I think it
> was using xterm before, though perhaps it's just a labelling change).
> 
> My guess is I need to tweak some of my settings, but I don't really
> understand this.  Can anyone clue me in?

You might wanna search the archives of this mailing list for
"locales".

-c

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Anyone used Backports.org to upgrade a woody to 2.6?

[Bill Moseley]

I see that there's both module-init-tools and a kernel-image-2.6.5
(kernel-image-2.6.5-1-k7_2.6.5-0.backports.org.1_i386.deb)
available.

Anyone have success using those packages to update a Woody box?  One is 
an Athlon XP 1800+, which I assume is should use the
k7 kernel.  I also have a P4 and a PIII.

Any notes?  Did you add backports to source.list or download the .deb
and use dpkg -i for the modules and kernel?

I have xfs file systems so I guess I'd need to use initrd since XFS is
included as a module -- is there any additional setup required?

I normally build the kernels, but would really like to start using
kernel-image packages to make upgrading easier.


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Latest kernel security upgrade in woody is BROKEN! DO NOT INSTALL!

[Kevin B. McCarty]

Dear all,
It seems that at least on ix86, the latest woody security updates for 
the kernel packages are completely broken.  The kernel packages named 
kernel-image-2.4.18-1- with version 2.4.18-13 contain only 
one module.  DO NOT upgrade to these packages or your system will be 
broken when you reboot.

hoping this warning is timely and not _too_ redundant,

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Re: Linux/Windows Universal Benchmark

[Kent West]

Andy Morris wrote:

So XP and Gentoo Linux on the same box, and xp still beats it hands 
down (it only improved by around 30 secs), which really dissapointed 
me.  It makes me want to use my xp box for more stuff than previously, 
which i had been trying not since i like using kde over the Windows 
desktop
 
Now one thing I should have mentioned earlier is that the app was 
written in Java (compiled using Sun's jdk1.4.2 (not gentoo's blackdown 
since it's too buggy)) and we are therefore also testing the platform 
implementation of the VM (if you don't know about java basically when 
code runs there is a middleman between the code running and the OS 
(the Java Virtual Machine).  It is possible that the jdk does not work 
as well on Linux but this is what I use and so do millions of others, 
and therefore it's can be a v good benchmark.  I will shortly if i get 
some time repeat the tests in C++ to remove this factor (it interfaces 
directly with the OS since it's compiled into native binaries) and if 
any1 does care for the result then let me know.
I for one am definitely interested in hearing the results.

I suspect that different type functions will result in different results 
however. For example, something involving network access might be just 
the reverse.

If your test app is not GUI-dependent, what happens if you shut down X 
and all the extraneous daemons, etc, and then run the program on Linux? 
In other words, there may be more processes on the Linux box that 
prevent your app from having as big a slice of processor time as it has 
on the Windows box. (I'm just wondering here, not trying to defend Linux.)

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Re: branding debian releases

[Brad Sims]

On Wednesday 14 April 2004 4:29 am, Will Trillich wrote:

> here i brainstorm to conjure up some naming scheme possibilities
> (referring to current status as of 13 apr 2004):
> 
>   sid -- alternatives to "UNSTABLE":
>   -   "UNKNOWN"
>   -   "DANGEROUS"
>   -   "CAVORT"
>   -   "UNCERTAIN"
>   -   "BEWARE"
> 
>   sarge -- alternatives to "TESTING":
>   -   "SOON"
>   -   "NEARLY"
>   -   "UPCOMING"
>   -   "ALMOST"
>   -   "NOT YET"
> 
>   woody -- alternatives to "STABLE":
>   -   "SOLID"
>   -   "DEPENDABLE"
>   -   "READY"
>   -   "SERIOUS"
>   -   "STABLE" (heck, what could be more precise? :)
> 
> think of names that might help the debian-uninitiated grok a tad
> more quickly the functionality and dependability of the release.

I use the following names on IRC:

Debian Broken (unstable)
Debian Old (Testing)
Debian Stale (Stable)


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