Tomcat4 and Debian

[Luis Fernando Llana Díaz]

Hi all,
  I have been makeing an application under tomcat4. The application tuns 
correctly with the version 4.1.24 downloaded directly from apache. But it 
does not with the version of tomcat from debian (unstable). The following 
exception appears:

javax.naming.NamingException: Cannot create resource instance

These are the lines causing the exception:

InitialContext init = new InitialContext();
Context ctx = (Context) init.lookup("java:comp/env");
->  DataSource source = (DataSource)ctx.lookup("jdbc/contenedores");

In the /etc/tomcat4/server.xml I have defined the following under the 
application context:

  
  

driverClassName
com.mysql.jdbc.Driver


url
jdbc:mysql://localhost:3306/
contenedores?user=luis


password
1s8b3l1t8


username
luis

  


In the web.xml file of the application I have the following

  Base de datos de contenedores
  jdbc/contenedores
  javax.sql.DataSource
  Container
  Shareable


And I have installed the file 05VazMaCon under the directory /etc/tomcat4/
policy.d containing:

grant codeBase "file:/home/luis/RamonVazquez/VazMaCon/WEB-INF/classes/-" {
  permission java.security.AllPermission;  
};


If I connect directly to de database:
Class.forName("com.mysql.jdbc.Driver").newInstance();
conexion = DriverManager.getConnection("jdbc:mysql://localhost
/contenedores?user=luis&password=1s8b3l1t8");

The application runs correctly. I suppose that there is a mistake in the jndi 
configuration, but I do not  what I have to do.

Thank you all,
Luis Llana

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Re: Can't connect with my new ADSL

[David Baron]

Anthony's advice -- I did this (from Windows) with the advice of the modem
manufacturer. When I rebooted, I could no longer use the modem. Luckily, is
has a little reset/reboot button in the back so I could restore it. Handly
with care!!

Your provider, apparently, must give you some settings to make the modem a
transparent bridge (if this is not its default ROM setting!!).


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Re:Connecting ADSL

[David Baron]

Same problem!

Note that many ADSL modem do NOT support PPPoE which makes them difficult to
configure. I have read many advice-responses to these thing, tried ADSL4Lin
(which will set up certain connections but not mine--first question is for
country and then local providers are presented and the menus are in Dutch).
To no avail.

The Eth0 is set up presumably correctly. I can ping the modem (10.0.0.138)
and the computer's IP (10.200.1.1/255.0.0.0) as directed by the provider.
What is patently MISSING is my LOGON to the ADSL!!

How does one do this? Is the PAPsecrets thing the way and how is this set
up?

Apparently most Linux installations assume that the computer is on a network
that is always connected from a server.


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Re: problems with networking on boot

[David Baron]

Here is another one!!

I have no broadcase no PPPo? anything.

If an ADSL modem is sitting on 10.0.0.138 -- will setting the gateway to
this enable ADSL to work correctly??


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Re: exim hogging upstream on debian

[Michael Dominok]

On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 16:14, Colin Davis wrote:


> I am looking for a way to limit exims use of the available bandwidth.
> Anybody got any ideas for a quick fix?
> 
> Any help much appreciated - its driving me mad :-)

Maybe
http://lartc.org/
can help.


Michael
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Re: Can't connect with my new ADSL

[David Baron]

Anthony's advice -- I did this (from Windows) with the advice of the modem
manufacturer. When I rebooted, I could no longer use the modem. Luckily, is
has a little reset/reboot button in the back so I could restore it. Handly
with care!!

Your provider, apparently, must give you some settings to make the modem a
transparent bridge (if this is not its default ROM setting!!).


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Re:Connecting ADSL

[David Baron]

Same problem!

Note that many ADSL modem do NOT support PPPoE which makes them difficult to
configure. I have read many advice-responses to these thing, tried ADSL4Lin
(which will set up certain connections but not mine--first question is for
country and then local providers are presented and the menus are in Dutch).
To no avail.

The Eth0 is set up presumably correctly. I can ping the modem (10.0.0.138)
and the computer's IP (10.200.1.1/255.0.0.0) as directed by the provider.
What is patently MISSING is my LOGON to the ADSL!!

How does one do this? Is the PAPsecrets thing the way and how is this set
up?

Apparently most Linux installations assume that the computer is on a network
that is always connected from a server.


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Re: problems with networking on boot

[David Baron]

Here is another one!!

I have no broadcase no PPPo? anything.

If an ADSL modem is sitting on 10.0.0.138 -- will setting the gateway to
this enable ADSL to work correctly??


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Re: Compiling a Kernel - Need ncurses

[James Williamson]

On Thursday 11 Dec 2003 6:16 am, Scarletdown wrote:
> I am once again giving a whirl at compiling a 2.4.22 kernel; this
> time on my test box which I am telnetted into so I don't have to
> keep switching back and forth via the KV switch.
>
> Anyway, I managed to unpack the tarball and create the symbolic link
> to it.  But when I try make menuconfig, I get the following:
>
> rm -f include/asm
> ( cd include ; ln -sf asm-i386 asm)
> make -C scripts/lxdialog all
> make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.4.22/scripts/lxdialog'
> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lncurses
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
>
> >> Unable to find the Ncurses libraries.
> >>
> >> You must have Ncurses installed in order
> >> to use 'make menuconfig'

Not so much fun, but you could use make config which doesn't use
curses.

James


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Re: Can't connect with my new ADSL

[Anthony Campbell]

On 11 Dec 2003, Antony Gelberg wrote:
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Anthony Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 11:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Can't connect with my new ADSL
> 
> 
> > On 10 Dec 2003, Antony Gelberg wrote:
> > > Please reply to the list in future.  You type in http://10.0.0.2 where
> you
> > > would usually type the website name.  (Website names generally can be
> > > exchanged for IP addresses, if you know the address.)
> > >
> > > A
> >
> > I tried this but no luck. The support people suggested installing dhcp,
> > which I have done, and also tried:
> >
> >/sbin/ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.2 netmask 255.0.0.0
> >
> >and
> >
> > /sbin/route add default gw 10.0.0.1
> >
> > (suggestions from uklinux support).
> >
> > But still nothing much seems to happen. I still couldn't connect via the
> > browser.
> 
> I hope you didn't install dhcpd (i.e. the dhcp server)?  AFAIK, in order to
> act as a DHCP client, Debian needs no additional packages installed.
> 
> If you set up /etc/network/interfaces correctly, it should do the above
> steps for you (with reference to the /sbin commands).  man interfaces for
> details.  You want the router to act as a DHCP server, so you don't need to
> assign an IP address to your machine.  After doing that, can you ping
> 10.0.0.2?  That's the first thing to try, before trying any fancy browser
> stuff.  Perhaps you could post output of ifconfig?
>
Will do.

> Infact, after re-reading what "technical support" told you, it's a load of
> crap.  If the router's default address is 10.0.0.2, then _that_ should be
> your gateway and your PC should be something else (say 10.0.0.10).  But
> anyway, forget the above, concentrate on /etc/network/interfaces.  DHCP
> means not needing to worry about IP addresses as much.
> 
> A
> 
> PS Having seen your website, my "fee" for this advice would be your
> recommendation on the best way to help my neck, shoulders, and back, which
> are usually stiff and in pain from years of bad PC posture.  I've had
> physio, but it only treats the symptoms.  Is Pilates any good?  

Many thanks to you and Brian for your comments. After reflecting on
these and a night's sleep I think I've finally understood what is at
issue here. Up to now I was thinking in terms of setting up a normal
modem, e.g. via pppconfig. I now think instead that the aim is to get
the LAN to work and then direct a browser to 10.0.0.2 (the correct
address according to the manual). Is this broadly correct?

Matters have not been helped by the manual, which I thought was
difficult owing to being too technical. I've now realized that much of
the difficulty is due to its being written by someone (Chinese?) with a
reasonable but imperfect command of English.

PS. (OT) As for your neck and shoulders: I don't know much about Pilates
though it's very fashionable at present. Physical treatments such as
acupuncture or manipulation can help for a time but the pain will keep
recurring as long as you spend many hours at the keyboard advising
ignorant people like me :) . I think the only viable solution is what
you don't want to hear: to get out more and take more exercise (swimming
can be good, preferably on your back). Also, while working at the
keyboard you should shrug your shoulders and move your head through a
full range in both planes (but don't swing it in circles). Do this
*before* the pain occurs - perhaps every 20 or 30 min. (Make the
computer send you a reminder.)

The following exercise could also help if done twice daily: find a
suitable doorway, place your hands on each side of the gap, and move
your chest forward through the doorway. The idea is to stretch the
pectoral muscles on the front of the chest, which oddly enough can
relieve neck pain.

Anthony

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Re: Can't connect with my new ADSL

[David Baron]

Anthony's advice -- I did this (from Windows) with the advice of the modem
manufacturer. When I rebooted, I could no longer use the modem. Luckily, is
has a little reset/reboot button in the back so I could restore it. Handly
with care!!

Your provider, apparently, must give you some settings to make the modem a
transparent bridge (if this is not its default ROM setting!!).


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Re:Connecting ADSL

[David Baron]

Same problem!

Note that many ADSL modem do NOT support PPPoE which makes them difficult to
configure. I have read many advice-responses to these thing, tried ADSL4Lin
(which will set up certain connections but not mine--first question is for
country and then local providers are presented and the menus are in Dutch).
To no avail.

The Eth0 is set up presumably correctly. I can ping the modem (10.0.0.138)
and the computer's IP (10.200.1.1/255.0.0.0) as directed by the provider.
What is patently MISSING is my LOGON to the ADSL!!

How does one do this? Is the PAPsecrets thing the way and how is this set
up?

Apparently most Linux installations assume that the computer is on a network
that is always connected from a server.


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Re: problems with networking on boot

[David Baron]

Here is another one!!

I have no broadcase no PPPo? anything.

If an ADSL modem is sitting on 10.0.0.138 -- will setting the gateway to
this enable ADSL to work correctly??


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Re: ooh! debian jewelry

[Monique Y. Herman]

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 at 05:01 GMT, Scarletdown penned:
> 
> That's pretty cool.  I also recommend this site as well...
> 
> http://scotgold.com/acatalog/ScotGold_Catalogue_Linux_Tux_Stuff_2.html

Ah, some neat stuff, and much more budget-friendly.  But tell me, does
anyone ever actually wear cufflinks?  I mean, other than to a funeral,
where probably little penguins wouldn't be greatly appreciated by the
other mourners.

> I'm going to be placing my first order with them later this month
> (after I do a few more auctions and refill the coffers).  I'm planning
> on ordering a sheet of the Linux Inside Case Badges, plus a couple Tux
> lapel pins and Tux keychains.  They have some stuff there with the
> Debian logo as well, but I prefer the penguin myself, though I may
> eventually order a sheet of Debian case badges too.  No reason not to
> have more than 1 badge on a computer afterall.  :D
> 

I adore the Debian swirl.  I'm planning on getting a ski helmet in the
next couple of weeks (hoping to get it for Christmas after some
extensive and explicit hinting), and when I do, I'm going to find a nice
big swirl sticker and slap that baby on the helmet.

Mmm, raspberry swirl!  Delicious!

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Re: Can't connect with my new ADSL

[Anthony Campbell]

On 11 Dec 2003, Brian Potkin wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 11:31:26PM +, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> 
> 
> If pinging is successful you should now be able to connect with the
> browser and use your username and password to set up the ADSL link with
> BT.
> 
> Brian.

Well, I got this far: pinging 10.0.0.2 worked, but I still could not
connect to it with a browser. "Connection cannot be established."

Should there be an entry in /etc/hosts? But what?

Anthony

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RE: Connecting ADSL

[Tim Gunning]

> -Original Message-
> From: David Baron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: 11 December 2003 08:22
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re:Connecting ADSL
> 
> 
> Same problem!
> 
> Note that many ADSL modem do NOT support PPPoE which makes 
> them difficult to configure. I have read many 
> advice-responses to these thing, tried ADSL4Lin (which will 
> set up certain connections but not mine--first question is 
> for country and then local providers are presented and the 
> menus are in Dutch). To no avail.
> 
> The Eth0 is set up presumably correctly. I can ping the modem 
> (10.0.0.138) and the computer's IP (10.200.1.1/255.0.0.0) as 
> directed by the provider. What is patently MISSING is my 
> LOGON to the ADSL!!
> 
> How does one do this? Is the PAPsecrets thing the way and how 
> is this set up?
> 
> Apparently most Linux installations assume that the computer 
> is on a network that is always connected from a server.
> 
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hi

I have no idea what modem you are running, but I had similar issues to start
with.
I found http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/index.php?lang=en to be a fantastic bit
of kit.
simple to setup (username, pass etc), type of modem, provider addresses
everything.
highly recommended.

hth
#
tim


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Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)

[Haim Ashkenazi]

Paul Johnson wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 03:24:14PM +0200, Haim Ashkenazi wrote:
>> I've just bought a new GeForce 5600 (Gainward Ultra 780 TV/DVI) and for
>> that occasion I've upgraded my nvidia drivers to 4496-10. after
>> upgrading, X wouldn't start (error loading 'nvidia') unless I modprobe
>> 'nvidia' manually, and then it loads, but with an error:
>>
>> I've googled for it but only found some kernel mailing list entries which
>> I didn't understand. as a workaround I've added nvidia to '/etc/modules'
>> but I was wondering if this problem can be solved.
> 
> nVidia has actively demonstrated they don't care.
> 
> Go return that video card and exchange it for an ATI Radeon, for which
> there are better drivers, as well as open source drivers for the
> Radeon that Just Work, and work way better than nVidia's proprietary
> hack.
I originaly thought about bying radeon (9500, or 9700) but when I've
searched the mailing list I saw there were a lot of problems with the ATI
drivers too, so I've decided to stick with nvidia (known evil against new
evil...)

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Re: Can't connect with my new ADSL

[Antony Gelberg]

- Original Message -
From: "David Baron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Antony Gelberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Anthony Campbell"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: Can't connect with my new ADSL


> Anthony's advice -- I did this (from Windows) with the advice of the modem
> manufacturer. When I rebooted, I could no longer use the modem. Luckily,
is
> has a little reset/reboot button in the back so I could restore it. Handly
> with care!!
>
> Your provider, apparently, must give you some settings to make the modem a
> transparent bridge (if this is not its default ROM setting!!).

No.  Not for Anthony C's setup.  ADSL in Israel and England may well be
different.  Here, we use PPPoA and the modem / router should act as a
router, not a bridge.  Handle with care.

A



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Re: XFS , QLA2200 and SMP

[Monika Strack]

Am Mittwoch, 10. Dezember 2003 18:16 schrieb Austin Gonyou:
> Which FS is it that you're writing to? A NFS, or is it local and being
> shared as NFS? Something seems very odd in that stack trace given the
> oops that you have.

I write to a local XFS , it is no shared as nfs. I read the data from a NFS 
mounted disk. 

I don't have anythink in my modules.conf for qla2200. As I understand the 
README I only need it for initrd-kernel. I don't use initrd for this machine. 
I loadet the driver with modprob by hand with no ql2xopts. The Card is for 
connetion to the the external RAID with userdata only. 

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moderator email address

[Christian Hallqvist]

Dear Sir(s),

I am trying to find out what the correct mail address of the
moderator of the news group linux.debian.user is - so far
unsuccessfully.


Is [EMAIL PROTECTED] the correct address?


Could you please confirm that.


Here is the last message (including error header)
a usenet user unsuccessfully sent the group linux.debian.user:





--> The original message was received at Tue, 9 Dec 2003 20:12:54 +0100 (CET)
--> from [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--> 
-->- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
--> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--> (reason: 550 5.1.1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... User unknown)
--> 
-->- Transcript of session follows -
--> ... while talking to yggdrasil.com.:
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--> <<< 550 5.1.1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>... User unknown
--> 550 5.1.1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] User unknown
--> part 3 message/rfc8221460
--> Press  to show content...
--> Date:Tue, 09 Dec 2003 20:12:42 +0100
--> To:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--> From:Julian Heeb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
--> Subject: Re: make-kpkg
--> 
--> Return-Path: 
--> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de-AT; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007
--> X-Accept-Language: de-ch, de, en, en-us
--> MIME-Version: 1.0
--> Newsgroups: linux.debian.user
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--> Path:
--> NNTP-Posting-Host: vpn-global-dhcp1-62.ethz.ch
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20:12:53 +0100)
--> Organization: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology (ETHZ)
--> Lines:   18
--> 
--> part   text/plain 528
--> Press  to show content...
--> Hi
--> 
--> Have a look at http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html
--> At the end of the tutorial there is a section about make-kpkg and grub!
--> 
--> Hope this helps!
--> 
--> Julian
--> 
--> Michael Montagne schrieb:
--> > I use Grub as a bootloader.  After making a kernel .deb using
--> > make-kpkg, I'm running dpkg -i  Near the end you are asked to if
--> > you want to make a boot block.  What is this?  Is it just an entry in
--> > Grub or LILO?  What I'm most concerned about is being able to boot to
--> > my old kernel if I screwed this one up.
--> > 
--> > 


Best regards,
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depmod trouble when installing new kernel

[Kjetil Kjernsmo]

Hi all!

I'm installing a new 2.4.23 kernel on my main server (that I compiled 
some time ago), using Marcello's tree, but the same config I used for 
the Debian 2.4.22 kernel previously. 

The kernel was compiled on my workstation (with make-kpkg) and then 
uploaded to the server. When I try to install it, I get lots of error 
messages on the form:

depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.23.2003-12-01.1-pooh/
kernel/net/wanrouter/wanrouter.o
depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.23.2003-12-01.1-pooh/
kernel/net/x25/x25.o
There was a problem running depmod.  This may be benign,
[snip]

I'm not actually using the things mentioned there, I don't think I have 
it compiled in at all, but I noticed it complained about other things I 
am using, such as ext2 (but I think I have compiled into the kernel). 

Because this is a machine that it is hard to get physical access to, I'd 
like to know if it is benign before I proceed... How do you address 
this...?

Best,

Kjetil
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Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)

[Haim Ashkenazi]

Kevin C. Smith wrote:

> On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 02:30:55AM +0200, Haim Ashkenazi wrote:
>> Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
>> 
>> > Haim Ashkenazi wrote:
>> >> Hi
>> >> 
>> >> I've just bought a new GeForce 5600 (Gainward Ultra 780 TV/DVI) and
>> >> for that occasion I've upgraded my nvidia drivers to 4496-10. after
>> >> upgrading, X wouldn't start (error loading 'nvidia') unless I modprobe
>> >> 'nvidia' manually, and then it loads, but with an error:
>> >> 
>> >> devfs_register(nvidiactl): could not append to parent, err: -17
>> >> devfs_register(nvidia0): could not append to parent, err: -17
>> >> 
>> >> I've googled for it but only found some kernel mailing list entries
>> >> which I didn't understand. as a workaround I've added nvidia to
>> >> '/etc/modules' but I was wondering if this problem can be solved.
>> >> 
>> >> kernel: 2.4.21
>> >> 
>> >> thanx
>> >> --
>> >> Haim
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> > 
>> > I always put Nvidia in /etc/modules.
>> for me it always worked without adding it to '/etc/modules'.
>> 
>> any idea about the error?
>> 
>> thanx
>> --
>> Haim
>> 
> 
> I fixed the problem by deleting a recently created file:
> 
> /etc/devfs/devices.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc
> 
> which contained this:
> 
> # devices file
> # format: name [bc] major minor uid gid mode
> nvidia0 c   195 0   rootvideo   0660
> nvidia1 c   195 1   rootvideo   0660
> nvidia2 c   195 2   rootvideo   0660
> nvidia3 c   195 3   rootvideo   0660
> nvidiactl   c   195 255 rootvideo   0660
> 
> I already had this file:
> 
> /etc/devfs/conf.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc
> 
> Which contains:
> 
> REGISTER ^nvidiactl   PERMISSIONS root.video 0660
> REGISTER ^nvidia[0-9] PERMISSIONS root.video 0660
> 
> And everything went back to normal.
thanx

I'll try it next time I'll boot the machine


> 
> Kevin C. Smith

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Re: Applications too big in X

[Mark Healey]

On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 00:32:58 -0800 (PST), Mark Healey wrote:

>Whenever I run an application in X the window is too big.  I run it in
>800X600 mode and it looks like the application window thinks it is on
>a much higher resolution display.  This isn't much of a problem with
>most programs, but for the ones where you can't resize the window it
>is.
>
>How do I fix it?

I've looked into this some and it looks like it is a problem with the
configuration of saw(mill,fish,blade,horse,tooth,whatever).  The first
time I managed to get X to start was with a XF86Config-4 cribbed from
knoppix.  It had X at some insane resolution.

On a 17" monitor I like 800X600 so that is what I set the max
resolution at.  Anyway.  It looks like saw? was configured with the
knoppix reso.

I think I can fix the problem by "mv"ing the file(s) that was
generated and restarting X.  I just need to know what file(s).



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Re: yet another NVIDIA problem (4496)

[David Selby]

Haim Ashkenazi wrote:

David Selby wrote:

 

Haim Ashkenazi wrote:

   

Hi

I've just bought a new GeForce 5600 (Gainward Ultra 780 TV/DVI) and for
that occasion I've upgraded my nvidia drivers to 4496-10. after upgrading,
X wouldn't start (error loading 'nvidia') unless I modprobe 'nvidia'
manually, and then it loads, but with an error:
devfs_register(nvidiactl): could not append to parent, err: -17
devfs_register(nvidia0): could not append to parent, err: -17
I've googled for it but only found some kernel mailing list entries which
I didn't understand. as a workaround I've added nvidia to '/etc/modules'
but I was wondering if this problem can be solved.
kernel: 2.4.21

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All is revealed in /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/README

Q: The kernel module doesn't get loaded dynamically when X starts;
I always have to do 'modprobe nvidia' first. What's wrong?
A: Make sure the line "alias char-major-195 nvidia" appears in
your module configuration file, generally one of "/etc/conf.modules",
"/etc/modules.conf" or "/etc/modutils/alias"; consult the documentation
that came with your distribution for details.
   

it's already there. nvidia-kernel-common took care of it. actially it's
written "alias char-major-195* nvidia". should I change it?
I guess I didn't explain myself. I don't mind putting it in '/etc/modules'.
it's the errors that disturbes me...
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I would delete the * & give it a go - I'm No expert though !

My own notes for setting up the driver are 

Need to re-compile kernel to ensure compiler compatibility
Use source tarballs ..
cd /usr/local/nvidia/NVIDIA_Kernel-x.x.x
make
cd /usr/local/nvidia/NVIDIA_GLX-x.x.x
make
vi /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
replace driver ?nv? with ?nvidia?
add line ?NoLogo? "1" underneath to kill logo
make sure you have Load ?glx?
# out Load ?dri?, Load ?Glcore?
at the end of /etc/modutils/aliases, add the line
alias char-major-195 NVdriver
then execute
update-modules
Otherwise the Nvidia driver will not boot on re-start
* Latest Nvidia driver, semi-automated, 
NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4349.run **

Start modem link
Drop out of X via KDM
sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-4349.run
Follow instructions
vi /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
replace driver ?nv? with ?nvidia?
add line ?NoLogo? "1" underneath to kill logo
make sure you have Load ?glx?
# out Load ?dri?, Load ?Glcore?
at the end of /etc/modutils/aliases, add the line
alias char-major-195 nvidia
then execute
update-modules
Otherwise the Nvidia driver will not boot on re-start
Reboot system. NOTE XFree86 will not start till after reboot !
/usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/README


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Re: Can't connect with my new ADSL

[Antony Gelberg]

- Original Message -
From: "Anthony Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: Can't connect with my new ADSL


> On 11 Dec 2003, Brian Potkin wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 11:31:26PM +, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> >
> >
> > If pinging is successful you should now be able to connect with the
> > browser and use your username and password to set up the ADSL link with
> > BT.
> >
> > Brian.
>
> Well, I got this far: pinging 10.0.0.2 worked, but I still could not
> connect to it with a browser. "Connection cannot be established."
>
> Should there be an entry in /etc/hosts? But what?

No.  /etc/hosts is used for name resolution.  It is odd that you can ping
10.0.0.2 but not connect with a browser.  I wonder if your PC is configured
as 10.0.0.2 and you're pinging yourself.  Does the pinging stop if you pull
out the Ethernet cable?  Care to post the ifconfig output?  Also the
contents of /etc/network/interfaces?

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Re: Can't connect with my new ADSL

[Antony Gelberg]

- Original Message -
From: "Anthony Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:41 AM
Subject: Re: Can't connect with my new ADSL


> Many thanks to you and Brian for your comments. After reflecting on
> these and a night's sleep I think I've finally understood what is at
> issue here. Up to now I was thinking in terms of setting up a normal
> modem, e.g. via pppconfig. I now think instead that the aim is to get
> the LAN to work and then direct a browser to 10.0.0.2 (the correct
> address according to the manual). Is this broadly correct?

That is absolutely correct.

> PS. (OT) As for your neck and shoulders: I don't know much about Pilates


Thanks, much appreciated.  Exercise-wise, I play a fair bit of football but
I will give the swimming a go as I can see why that might help.  My physio
says that a large percentage of her patients have RSI-type problems brought
on by sitting at computers.  Be warned all!

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Re: Mutt, stop CC-ing the list

[Nunya]

On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 12:38:03AM -0500, ScruLoose wrote:
> AFAIK, mutt cannot be made to actually issue a prompt in any of these
> cases. So I guess if you really _really_ want to be prompted (instead of
> just using the appropriate command in the first place) then you are
> trying to make mutt do something outside its usual behaviour after all.

Thanks for the reply.  Yes, I was wishing for Mutt to help me out 
instead of making me cogitate "which is appropriate here" when it's 
usually clear from context.  (In particular the choice between  in 
Inbox and  for Lists.  I never want the  behavior for Lists, and 
 does nothing for non-lists).  I'll ask on mutt-users.


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Re: Re:Connecting ADSL

[Antony Gelberg]

- Original Message -
From: "David Baron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 7:36 AM
Subject: Re:Connecting ADSL


> Same problem!
>
> Note that many ADSL modem do NOT support PPPoE which makes them difficult
to
> configure. I have read many advice-responses to these thing, tried
ADSL4Lin
> (which will set up certain connections but not mine--first question is for
> country and then local providers are presented and the menus are in
Dutch).
> To no avail.
>
> The Eth0 is set up presumably correctly. I can ping the modem (10.0.0.138)
> and the computer's IP (10.200.1.1/255.0.0.0) as directed by the provider.
> What is patently MISSING is my LOGON to the ADSL!!
>
> How does one do this? Is the PAPsecrets thing the way and how is this set
> up?
>
> Apparently most Linux installations assume that the computer is on a
network
> that is always connected from a server.

It might help if you told us what ADSL modem you are using.  Then again, I
know nothing about PPPoE, so I can't help any more than that.

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Re: ooh! debian jewelry

[Alex Malinovich]

On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 02:30, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 at 05:01 GMT, Scarletdown penned:
> > 
> > That's pretty cool.  I also recommend this site as well...
> > 
> > http://scotgold.com/acatalog/ScotGold_Catalogue_Linux_Tux_Stuff_2.html
> 
> Ah, some neat stuff, and much more budget-friendly.  But tell me, does
> anyone ever actually wear cufflinks?  I mean, other than to a funeral,
> where probably little penguins wouldn't be greatly appreciated by the
> other mourners.

Cufflinks have actually been making a comeback in the last few years. I
bought a cufflink-friendly dress shirt (i.e. cuffs that fold back) about
a year ago and it's been my favorite shirt ever since.

> I adore the Debian swirl.  I'm planning on getting a ski helmet in the
> next couple of weeks (hoping to get it for Christmas after some
> extensive and explicit hinting), and when I do, I'm going to find a nice
> big swirl sticker and slap that baby on the helmet.
> 
> Mmm, raspberry swirl!  Delicious!

If, next time I go skiing, I see someone wearing a ski helmet with a
Debian swirl on the side of, I'll be sure to say hi. :) (Assuming I can
still form coherent sentences after a full day of wiping out
repeatedly... :)

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Re: ooh! debian jewelry

[Colin Watson]

On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 01:30:35AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 at 05:01 GMT, Scarletdown penned:
> > That's pretty cool.  I also recommend this site as well...
> > 
> > http://scotgold.com/acatalog/ScotGold_Catalogue_Linux_Tux_Stuff_2.html
> 
> Ah, some neat stuff, and much more budget-friendly.  But tell me, does
> anyone ever actually wear cufflinks?  I mean, other than to a funeral,
> where probably little penguins wouldn't be greatly appreciated by the
> other mourners.

I do from time to time. I had to regretfully give up on wearing a
cufflinked shirt to a party recently because I couldn't find either of
my two pairs of cufflinks at short notice (yeah, I'm disorganized).

Dress sense might be a bit different in the UK from that in the US,
though.

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Re: Connecting ADSL

[Anthony Campbell]

On 11 Dec 2003, Tim Gunning wrote:
> > -Original Message-
> > From: David Baron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 11 December 2003 08:22
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re:Connecting ADSL
> >
> >
> > Same problem!
> >
> > Note that many ADSL modem do NOT support PPPoE which makes
> > them difficult to configure. I have read many
> > advice-responses to these thing, tried ADSL4Lin (which will
> > set up certain connections but not mine--first question is
> > for country and then local providers are presented and the
> > menus are in Dutch). To no avail.
> >
> > The Eth0 is set up presumably correctly. I can ping the modem
> > (10.0.0.138) and the computer's IP (10.200.1.1/255.0.0.0) as
> > directed by the provider. What is patently MISSING is my
> > LOGON to the ADSL!!
> >
> > How does one do this? Is the PAPsecrets thing the way and how
> > is this set up?
> >
> > Apparently most Linux installations assume that the computer
> > is on a network that is always connected from a server.
> >
> hi
> 
> I have no idea what modem you are running, but I had similar issues to start
> with.
> I found http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/index.php?lang=en to be a fantastic bit
> of kit.
> simple to setup (username, pass etc), type of modem, provider addresses
> everything.
> highly recommended.
> 
> hth
> #
> tim

Only for USB as far as I can see (and doesn't list my Mentor modem at
all).

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Re: ooh! debian jewelry

[Alex Malinovich]

On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 05:08, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 01:30:35AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> > On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 at 05:01 GMT, Scarletdown penned:
> > > That's pretty cool.  I also recommend this site as well...
> > > 
> > > http://scotgold.com/acatalog/ScotGold_Catalogue_Linux_Tux_Stuff_2.html
> > 
> > Ah, some neat stuff, and much more budget-friendly.  But tell me, does
> > anyone ever actually wear cufflinks?  I mean, other than to a funeral,
> > where probably little penguins wouldn't be greatly appreciated by the
> > other mourners.
> 
> I do from time to time. I had to regretfully give up on wearing a
> cufflinked shirt to a party recently because I couldn't find either of
> my two pairs of cufflinks at short notice (yeah, I'm disorganized).
> 
> Dress sense might be a bit different in the UK from that in the US,
> though.

I have elastic cufflinks with wrapped cord as the outside that I always
keep on my cufflink shirts. If I can't find my 'real' cufflinks, I just
leave those in and go like that. They're solid black so they still look
good, but they're about $2 (US) a piece so I can afford to have a set
for each of my shirts.

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Re: Making a distribution

[Patrick Lesslie]

On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 06:30:26PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> on Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 04:29:41PM -, Antony Gelberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > One of the things I often do in my line of work is install a Linux bridging
> > firewall.  I generally install a minimal Debian, recompile the kernel, and
> > run my bridge and firewall scripts from bootmisc.sh.
> > 
> > What I'd really like is to create a distribution of my own that would
> > install automatically onto a PC, with minimal interactivity.  For example, I
> > don't want to be asked about partitioning, I just want to wipe the disk,
> > create an ext3 partition and format it.  I want vim, links, sshd (amongst
> > others).  I want apt-get and a custom 2.4.23 kernel.
> > 
> > Is there a way to do this based on Debian (for apt-get etc)?  I am a big
> > Debian fan, but even a minimal install is more than I need.
> 
> FAI.  Bootfloppies.  Possibly other ideas.
> 
> Or look at Linux From Scratch.

One messy way is to make a CD image with mkisofs that boots linux,
runs fdisk to format /dev/hda, untars a small customised root partition
taken from an existing installation, and runs lilo (using chroot I guess).

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Re: Can't connect with my new ADSL

[Brian Potkin]

On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 09:27:44AM +, Anthony Campbell wrote:

> Well, I got this far: pinging 10.0.0.2 worked, but I still could not
> connect to it with a browser. "Connection cannot be established."

>From a previous post I thought you were having the router as 10.0.0.1,
using the 'route add' command, and the interface as 10.0.0.2, using the
'ifconfig up' command.  If that is the way you have set it up the above
is pinging the interface, not the router.

/sbin/ifconfig should have a second line for eth0 starting:

  inet addr:10.0.0.2

if 10.0.0.2 is the interface IP number.

> Should there be an entry in /etc/hosts? But what?

Not necessary.  As a matter of interest I have

192.168.7.2  localhost copernicus
192.168.7.1  router

but that's only because I can do 'telnet router' and not have to remember
the address.

Brian.


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Linux is not for consumers!

[David Baron]

Problems persist and have gotten nowhere!

1. Connecting ADSL -- edited everything including ppp_on_boot, dsl_provider,
pap_secrets, all that stuff. No go. Running "pon ppp_on_boot" gives me a bad
tdb and quits. The only tdb reference is from Openoffice so is irrelevant
here. (All of the little utilities for adding "connections" assume dialups.
Windows has a virtual VPN adapter to handle that--says it's dialing but it
ain't.)

I am using an Alcatal speedtouch-home modem connected to a T100 card which
is correctly detected and configured. Can ping the modem 10.0.0.138 and the
computer 10.200.1.1. I can even get into the modem's own configuration page
(use at your own risk as we have said!).

2. Running Java stuff--Open office works. I installed netbeans (a Java
programming IDE) but cannot get it to run.

3. The Adobe Acrobat reader looks gosh-awful. Like Windows 2! I have a
version 5.08 linux distribution--maybe this will look better?

4. Oldie-but-goody hardware which I really would like to use:

sw60xg MIDI sound generator--no IRQ, no DMA, just a port address. This card
should be accessable from MPU401 (done this way under W2K). That driver is
there but I havent the foggiest on how to get it running and set it up. I
would then like to control it through a WINE session (lot's of luck!).

USB -- have a roland MIDI device on this, correctly detected but not shown
on KINFO. This is of recent vintage and there should be some way of using
it. I also need some sort of "hot-plug" support for a development project on
which I am working, also in various windows flavors.

dman2044 audio interface -- PCI, IRQ11--the linux detects that as an AGOSP
Maestro card. There are no linux or even modern windows (W2K, XP) drivers
around for this--have to do my production work in Win98. I have an old
pro-audio16 clunker, an ISA card but I think Linux will support that one for
listening to MP3s or CDs (I havent even tried them yet!).

Davicom32 Fax modem -- ISA, detected. Fairly standard and NOT a "win" modem
(these have never worked on this computer for whatever reason). Haven't the
foggiest how to set up KFax or anything else to use this modem. IRQ5, I
believe, sitting on COM3. Suppose I could try talking to it through KPPP.

I would like to go over to Linux for everything except music production
(since there is no appropriate software yet).


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Re: troubles with tar, compression and cron

[Jukka Salmi]

Hello,

I still couldn't solve my problem. I stripped down the script to the
following:

$ cat ~/bin/tapetest
#!/bin/sh
cd /
/bin/tar -czf /dev/nst0 dir
echo "tar returned $?"

Running it manually gives:

$ ~/bin/tapetest
tar returned 0

...but when run from cron I get:

tar (grandchild): gzip: Cannot exec: No such file or directory
tar (grandchild): Error is not recoverable: exiting now
tar returned 141

As said before, the same happens if I use bzip2 in place of gzip (except
the above error message from tar is 'bzip2: Cannot exec:', of course...).
Using no compression works fine even with cron...

This is on a Debian testing i386 system. I'm using tar 1.13.25-6 and
cron 3.0pl1-81.


Any help is appreciated!

TIA, Jukka

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Re: troubles with tar, compression and cron

[Colin Watson]

On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 01:10:31PM +0100, Jukka Salmi wrote:
> I still couldn't solve my problem. I stripped down the script to the
> following:
> 
> $ cat ~/bin/tapetest
> #!/bin/sh
> cd /
> /bin/tar -czf /dev/nst0 dir
> echo "tar returned $?"
> 
> Running it manually gives:
> 
> $ ~/bin/tapetest
> tar returned 0
> 
> ...but when run from cron I get:
> 
> tar (grandchild): gzip: Cannot exec: No such file or directory
> tar (grandchild): Error is not recoverable: exiting now
> tar returned 141

Sounds like your cron job doesn't have an appropriate path. Try setting
PATH=/usr/bin:/bin explicitly at the top, adding any other directories
you need.

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Re: LSI Fusion MPT ?

[Adam Garside]

On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 11:52:45AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'm trying to install Debian on a Dell Dimension 360 with an LSI
> 21320 Fusion MPT SCSI adapter. As I understand things, most 2.4.18
> kernels don't support it but 2.4.19 does. Unfortunately, the Woody
> bf24 install uses the former.
> 
> I've tried making a rescue disk based on 2.4.22 but initrd.img is too
> big, and leaving it out seems to prevent it from finding the root
> disk.
> 
> I've tried using the Sid install but even after adding the correct
> device with mknod it won't mount existing partitions implying it
> doesn't include the needed driver.
> 
> Does anyone have an idea how to get Debian installed on this
> configuration ?
> 
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You might try the install ISO at the following location:

http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/

It is Dell specific and should work for your machine. If not, directions
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Re: moderator email address

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> moderator of the news group linux.debian.user is - so far
> unsuccessfully.

You've heard of News2Mail?

> Is [EMAIL PROTECTED] the correct address?

Thats the adress of this List. Go to list.debian.org, an read.

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Mutt coding

[Mauro Darida]

Is the default coding system in Mutt determined by how I have set up
locales in debian ?
I have got a standard "C" locale and put charset="ISO-8859-1" in .muttrc
but Mutt does not display accented characters, unless I set:
$ export LANG="it_IT"
before running Mutt.
Is there a way to have in Mutt a charset independent of locale setting?
Saluti, Mauro.
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mixture in sources.list

[Vittorio]

Somewhere, I think either in Morphix or in Knoppix which both are
debian-derived, I've seen that in the sources.list file there where
the lines for testing and unstable downloads from the debian site.

If I repeat the same configuration how can I tell apt-get that I want
to download e.g. Mozilla from unstable and exim from testing?

Ciao
Vittorio

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Re: troubles with tar, compression and cron

[Jukka Salmi]

Colin Watson --> debian-user (2003-12-11 12:24:07 +):
> Sounds like your cron job doesn't have an appropriate path. Try setting
> PATH=/usr/bin:/bin explicitly at the top, adding any other directories
> you need.

That's it! There was a typo in cron's $PATH. Thanks a lot!

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Re: Can't connect with my new ADSL

[Anthony Campbell]

On 11 Dec 2003, Antony Gelberg wrote:
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Anthony Campbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:27 AM
> Subject: Re: Can't connect with my new ADSL
> 
> 
> > On 11 Dec 2003, Brian Potkin wrote:
> > > On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 11:31:26PM +, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > If pinging is successful you should now be able to connect with the
> > > browser and use your username and password to set up the ADSL link with
> > > BT.
> > >
> > > Brian.
> >
> > Well, I got this far: pinging 10.0.0.2 worked, but I still could not
> > connect to it with a browser. "Connection cannot be established."
> >
> > Should there be an entry in /etc/hosts? But what?
> 
> No.  /etc/hosts is used for name resolution.  It is odd that you can ping
> 10.0.0.2 but not connect with a browser.  I wonder if your PC is configured
> as 10.0.0.2 and you're pinging yourself.  Does the pinging stop if you pull
> out the Ethernet cable?  Care to post the ifconfig output?  Also the
> contents of /etc/network/interfaces?
> 
> A
Believe it or not, I've actually made some progress. Won't bore everyone
with the details, but it included using a different cable and 10.0.0.1
to set it up followed by 10.0.0,2 to connect.

However, it doesn't like any graphics browsers I've tried but I can
access it with text browsers like lynx and w3m. The problem now is that
I don't see where you are supposed to insert the username and password
supplied by the ISP. You can change the passwords for both admin and user
but these are presumably for accessing the web pages - or is that the
same thing?

Anthony

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Re: weird PATH_INETDPID file in root directory

[Jerome BENOIT]

Hello,

thanks for the reply:

apparently this is a know bug in the `inetutils-inetd' package:

http://www.newsland.it/nr/article/linux.debian.announce.devel/299.html

Thanks,
Jerome
Karsten M. Self wrote:
on Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 05:19:56PM +0200, Jerome BENOIT ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

Hello,

since a while a file PATH_INETDPID a created in my root directory
at boottime:
it sounds very weird to me and I wnat what is going wrong:
any idea ?


...sounds like a misbehaving /etc/init.d script.  What's in the file?
Is it related, by any chance, to your inetd process ID?
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Re: Connecting ADSL

[Rohit Kumar Mehta]

Hi Tim, I am far from expert in this arena, but I have PPPoE working 
with my SNET DSL
connection.  I think I used dialup to grab the following tarball 
rr-pppoe-3.5.tar.gz.
I also made sure I had ppp module and the modules for my ethernet cards 
and then it was
a matter of filling in blanks.  I wish you the best of luck.

You may also be able to google on YOUR PROVIDER, Linux and see if anyone 
else has posted
their procedure.

Rohit

Tim Gunning wrote:

-Original Message-
From: David Baron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 11 December 2003 08:22
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re:Connecting ADSL

Same problem!

Note that many ADSL modem do NOT support PPPoE which makes 
them difficult to configure. I have read many 
advice-responses to these thing, tried ADSL4Lin (which will 
set up certain connections but not mine--first question is 
for country and then local providers are presented and the 
menus are in Dutch). To no avail.

The Eth0 is set up presumably correctly. I can ping the modem 
(10.0.0.138) and the computer's IP (10.200.1.1/255.0.0.0) as 
directed by the provider. What is patently MISSING is my 
LOGON to the ADSL!!

How does one do this? Is the PAPsecrets thing the way and how 
is this set up?

Apparently most Linux installations assume that the computer 
is on a network that is always connected from a server.

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hi

I have no idea what modem you are running, but I had similar issues to start
with.
I found http://eciadsl.flashtux.org/index.php?lang=en to be a fantastic bit
of kit.
simple to setup (username, pass etc), type of modem, provider addresses
everything.
highly recommended.
hth
#
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Re: exim hogging upstream on debian

[Paul E Condon]

On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 07:24:14PM -0700, Thanasis Kinias wrote:
> scripsit Paul E Condon:
> > On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 03:14:20PM -, Colin Davis wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I am in a small office that uses an adsl connection for its internet
> > > access.  We have a debian box with exim installed to send mail. When
> > > a large email is send (anything over 1mb really) it hogs all of the
> > > upstream, disconnects my ssh sessions etc and making using the
> > > internet impossible until the email has gone.
> > > 
> > > I am looking for a way to limit exims use of the available
> > > bandwidth.  Anybody got any ideas for a quick fix?
> > > 
> > > Any help much appreciated - its driving me mad :-)
> > > 
> > > Col.
> > 
> > Look at www.bandwidtharbitrator.com. Linux Bandwidth Arbitrator is
> > software developed by a guy in the town where I live (Lafayette, CO).
> > He made a presentation at a local LUG ~6m ago. He seemed to know what
> > he was doing, and interested in helping small users. Its not free, but
> > its not expensive, and you can try it for free. I think his deal is
> > that you pay for the User Manual.
> 
> It seems strange to me that there doesn't seem to be a free tool for
> this.  I've had similar problems just with scp over cable modem -- I
> don't care if it takes it an hour to make the transfer, but I don't want
> to lose my ssh sessions completely while it copies...
> 
> Bandwidth management stuff I've come across seems to focus more on
> keeping one machine from hogging a network rather than keeping one
> process from hogging eth0 on a single machine...
> 
> Are we missing something obvious?
> 

I don't want to be a shill for this software, but the guy did make a
nice presentation and it seems like it would solve the problem.
Also, I think the software is 'free' in the 'free speach' sense. But
he does charge for a book of documentation. Since, I've never used the
software, I can't say what your chances of getting it working are, if
all you have is the setup screens. The impression he gave was that you
can get it working with just the screens, but to tune it well, to your
situation, you will benefit from the book. 

And, since I've never used it, I may be wrong as to its usefulness. 

YMMV

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Kopete hangs on connect to Yahoo!

[Magnus von Koeller]

Hi,

for quite a while now I'm already having this problem - whenever I try 
to connect to the Yahoo! instant messenger with my Kopete, it simply 
hangs. No reaction of the GUI, nothing.

I had reported this as a bug against kopete:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=221828

But I have not gotten any update on it. More infos are in the 
bugreport. Has anybody experienced something similar? Any guesses 
what's wrong?

Best,
Magnus

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Easing the load.

[David Palmer]

I have seen what I believe is a need for an additional mailing list, not
so much for the benefit of the developers' list, but most definitely for
the sake of sanity on debian-user. I have posted to curiosain
recognition of their patience with an O.T. situation.

The following layout is for initial discussion only,pending the full
application being tendered as a wishlist bug report.

Thanking you for your attention.


Mailing List Request.



Basic Purpose:-


For this list, is multi-part.

A need is seen, within the context of Debian, for a repository for all
discussions and notifications that are not list specific. It could be
argued here that if a subject is not list-specific, it has no place in
the list. Allow me to supply some examples:-


A notification on Debian-User of a new worm variant that sys.
admins on the list require notice of, as they are running Debian
servers supporting windows boxes also munging the mail
headers/filters of the developer who is on the list to supply
advice;


Discussions that become O.T., that although they are not
technical in nature enhance and enforce the community nature of
Debian. They occur, so therefore members feel the need for the
interaction, this would strengthen the community as a community.
This is especially noticeable on lists with a broad spectrum
sociological diversity such as Debian -User. I am not referring
here, to the inconsequential drivel that arises from those
entities that require a stage to prance on with a captive
audience to assuage the requirements imposed by attention
deficiency, there have been conversations initiated within the
disciplines of philosophy and psychology/sociology, for example,
and it is to these I refer. The other variety would get as short
shrift on the new list as being as unproductive as they are in
any other environment.

There are many highly qualified people in the community,
physicists, mathematicians, et al, who, if they had the option
of taking part in non-debian discussion, could ironically
generate new directions within Debian. For example, there are a
number of packages of a mathematical nature within the Debian
programme, these could well be collated into a sub-project. The
type of list structure that I advocate conceivably forming a
wellspring for projects of this nature;



As a migration point for O.T. threads that are creating a
distraction within the main lists. There are two aspects to
this:-

(1). The distracting, disruptive influence just stated, and

(2). The carry over and clutter created within the corresponding
archive. The last thing a busy admin needs when a server is
down, and she requires the answer to a problem, is to have to
wade through a tide of irrelevant flotsam and jetsam. Having the
facility of a list of this nature would have the effect of
really cleaning up the archives.

Non productive O.T. threads could, with the consensus of three
other list members (to avoid personality clash scenarios) for
example, could be migrated to the proposed list, leaving the
main list to proceed productively, maintaining the integrity of
the archive. If the thread becomes too off the wall for the new
list, and after an initial negotiation fails, the
personality(ies) could be unsubscribed. I believe the new list
could be as productively essential as any other in its' own way,
I do not see it as the dumping ground for the collective Debian
effluviant, just a little further down the alimentary tract
perhaps ;



As a repository for, and discussion arena of current news and
affairs relevant to our industry, e.g., Microsofts' latest
strategy, SCOs' gymnastics, the latest W.S.I.S. Conference
moves, and etc.

Debian is a community, but as such is also part of the greater
community and not isolated from it. This world awareness could
subtly enhance a wide number of Debian community aspects from
programming direction to security. It would also create a
resource for such entities as Debian Weekly;



There are other things that could be put forward as viable reasons for
the establishment of a list of this nature. I have only elaborated to
the extent that I have to illustrate the productive potential of this
venture, and the associated value it could present to the Debian
project, so as to avoid the hasty labeling of the situation as 'vanity
or offtopic.'


Interested Audience.


I'm sure that the number of O.T. threads in the lists are indicative of
the ability of this new list to esta

Re: Linux is not for consumers!

[Johann Koenig]

No, its not for consumers. Well, at least Debian is not. Perhaps
Mandrake or SuSE, where you can pay for support, is what you're looking
for.

Not to say Debian is bad, its not. I love it. I run my workstation, mp3
station, and two servers on Debian, and they all work wonderfully.
Conversely, I have spent many many hours getting them to work properly.
And not to say debian-user is not useful, because it is, I have learned
a lot by reading and posting to this list. However, I also put easily
hundreds of hours into just setting up and maintaining my computers over
the past year. But, it's something I enjoy doing.
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Re: Linux is not for consumers!

[Robert L. Harris]

Thus spake Johann Koenig ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

> No, its not for consumers. Well, at least Debian is not. Perhaps
> Mandrake or SuSE, where you can pay for support, is what you're looking
> for.

  You're right.  Too many consumers are too dumb for for Linux, especially
Debian.  It requires more than a room tempature IQ and the willingness
to use it.

> Not to say Debian is bad, its not. I love it. I run my workstation, mp3
> station, and two servers on Debian, and they all work wonderfully.
> Conversely, I have spent many many hours getting them to work properly.
> And not to say debian-user is not useful, because it is, I have learned
> a lot by reading and posting to this list. However, I also put easily
> hundreds of hours into just setting up and maintaining my computers over
> the past year. But, it's something I enjoy doing.

  I've taught a number of people to use Linux, Debian only, this year
including a Mother of 2 who is a housewife by trade.  She wanted to do
her home finances and not worry about Yet Another Worm taking her bank
info and giving them to some people in nigeria.  The initial installer
was a bit cryptic for her but once we were past that it light up and
she's been running great for about 5 months now with no issues and she's
learned to use apt-get and apt-cache to add some games (she's addicted
to frozen bubble) without my help.

  When are we going to stop telling our family and friends that they
can't handle it?  My family has learned not to ask for help on windows
anymore, I refuse to waste my time if they won't atleast try Linux.
They want to be that stuborn and CHOOSE to treat themselves that way
then they CHOOSE to pay compusa for repair and re-install help.


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Re: mixture in sources.list

[Jiele]

Vittorio wrote:
Somewhere, I think either in Morphix or in Knoppix which both are
debian-derived, I've seen that in the sources.list file there where
the lines for testing and unstable downloads from the debian site.
If I repeat the same configuration how can I tell apt-get that I want
to download e.g. Mozilla from unstable and exim from testing?
Ciao
Vittorio
man apt_preferences

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Re: Linux is not for consumers!

[Burkhard Woelfel]

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On Thursday 11 December 2003 12:26, David Baron wrote:
> I would like to go over to Linux for everything except music production
> (since there is no appropriate software yet).

I don't know what is appropriate for you, but you should check Dave Phillips 
pages at http://linux-sound.org/ - there are numerous usable linux sound 
applications. 

There is also a Debian based multimedia distribution called AGNULA[1], which 
has a second testing release of 1.0 available. 

You might also read Dave's recent article about the main two mailing lists 
addressing Linux audio issues[2].

Linux audio development is gaining ground, check it out.

- - Burkhard

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Origin or Label for www.backports.org

[Jeffrey L. Taylor]

What is the origin or label of the www.backports.org archives?  I want
to add them to my /etc/apt/preferences but do not know how to tag them.


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Updating sysvinit

[Joan Tur]

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Hallo!

I installed my debian box using knoppix 3.2; now I'd like to update knoppix' 
sysvinit to SID's (I'm only using SID repositories in sources.list and I've 
updated using "apt-get dist-upgrade").

Installed and installable version:
- -
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Version: 2:2.84-164 **knoppix'
Version: 2.85-7 **SID's
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I've also tryed running "apt-get install -t unstable sysvinit"; it says 
everything's up to date.

Any idea?  TIA  ;)

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Re: OT: Voicemail/fax software

[Mark Roach]

On Wed, 2003-12-10 at 18:59, Jamin W. Collins wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 05:36:50PM -0500, Mark Roach wrote:
[...]
> > Thanks for the tip, I'll check it out. Although I talked to one of the
> > sales guys at digium, and he said that they had a fax solution, but it
> > didn't work all the time... so that may be a bust too... I'll have to
> > keep looking.
> 
> Does it need to detect the fax or just route it?  I've had it configured
> here in the past to pass calls on to a modem (connected as a station)
> running under hylafax.

I'm not real familiar with either product, so all I can describe is our
current solution... maybe you can make a suggestion based on that...

What we have at the moment is an NEC phone switch with 8 analog lines
running to our voicemail/fax server. When a call comes in and is not
answered, the switch sends the call to the voicemail server which then
presents the greeting for the appropriate mailbox and saves the message.
For faxes, pretty much the same thing happens, except that it doesn't
wait for a phone to stop ringing. 

Hylafax seems to want a separate phone line for each incoming fax
number, what I need is to be able to do what I just described: i.e. any
one of 30 fax numbers might be connected to any one of 8 incoming analog
lines... Do you think that's a possibility? I guess at this point I
should be taking this to the asterisk mailing list, or at least off
list. I really appreciate your advice.

Thanks
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Re: Linux is not for consumers!

[Grzesiek Sedek]

There is as well fantastic live CD  bootable distro called Dynebolic, full of
audio and video production software

http://www.dynebolic.org

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> On Thursday 11 December 2003 12:26, David Baron wrote:
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> > (since there is no appropriate software yet).
> 
> I don't know what is appropriate for you, but you should check Dave Phillips 
> pages at http://linux-sound.org/ - there are numerous usable linux sound 
> applications. 
> 
> There is also a Debian based multimedia distribution called AGNULA[1], which 
> has a second testing release of 1.0 available. 
> 
> You might also read Dave's recent article about the main two mailing lists 
> addressing Linux audio issues[2].
> 
> Linux audio development is gaining ground, check it out.
> 
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nagios

[Lee, Keith]

Title: Message



I have setup 
everything for just a ping to a wireless connection only (I 
think)
The configuration 
passes the sanity test.
 
The log file says 
that nagios has started and gives a pid.
 
when I use ps -A the 
pid is not there.
 
Can someone help 
please
 
Any suggestions for 
alternate monitors?
My managers request 
is:
"I'm looking for is SNMP monitoring as well as PINGing, plus nice 
graphs."

Bootup Freezes

[Thomas H. George]

For the past few weeks my system frequently freezes or starts in (none) 
tty1 on bootup.   The freezes come at different points in the bootup 
sequence.  When this happens I can recover by booting up with bbc-2.1 
from a cd, running e2fsck -f on each partition (occasionally inodes are 
incorrect, often no problems are found) and then rebooting from the hard 
drive.  When the system is rebooted in this way there are no problems in 
running any of the programs I use.  I have been unable to pinpoint the 
source of this bootup problem.

The system is testing and the kernel is 2.4.22 compiled with the 
/mm/mmap.c patch.  I regularly run apt-get dist-upgrade.

memtest is installed, finds no problems with memory.
smartmontools is installed, the long test finds no problems with the 
hard drive.
clamscan run recursively from / finds no viruses
chkrootkit finds nothing

I believe the problem started when I compiled kernel-source-0.6.0-test9 
and used this kernel to take advantage of the usb 2 speed of a usb dvd 
burner.  This worked fine but with no wireless lan access.  In an 
attempt to solve this I downloaded and compiled 
linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre10 but still had no wireless access.

The one consistant symptom  is the message

   p80211knetdev_hard_start-xinit: Tx attempt prior to association, 
frame dropped

which is repeated many times during the shutdown proceedure frequently 
interrupting the normal sequence of shutdown messages.  Apparently some 
record is stored that affects the next bootup attempt.

I have attempted to correct this by recompiling the 2.4.22 kernel after 
first running mrproper and by then using apt-get install to get the 
debian version of linux-wlan-ng-0.2.0 and reconfiguring  and installing 
this program again after first running make mrproper.   This has not 
solved the problem.

I would greatly appreciate any insights as to what to try next or any 
observations about things I have done wrong or failed to do.

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Re: Linux is not for consumers!

[Roberto Sanchez]

David Baron wrote:
Problems persist and have gotten nowhere!

1. Connecting ADSL -- edited everything including ppp_on_boot, dsl_provider,
pap_secrets, all that stuff. No go. Running "pon ppp_on_boot" gives me a bad
tdb and quits. The only tdb reference is from Openoffice so is irrelevant
here. (All of the little utilities for adding "connections" assume dialups.
Windows has a virtual VPN adapter to handle that--says it's dialing but it
ain't.)
Not sure why you are using PPP.  DSL either uses PPPoE or PPPoA.

I am using an Alcatal speedtouch-home modem connected to a T100 card which
is correctly detected and configured. Can ping the modem 10.0.0.138 and the
computer 10.200.1.1. I can even get into the modem's own configuration page
(use at your own risk as we have said!).
If the modem has an accessible configuration page, then just use that.
Most DSL modems let you enable/disable NAT, DHCP, DNS, and manage your
connection.  Call your ISP's tech support and they should be able
to help you.  Even my ISP's tech support (mostly clueless and
unsupportive of Linux) was able to get me set up with the modem's
config in a few minutes.  It has worked flawlessly for 8 months.
2. Running Java stuff--Open office works. I installed netbeans (a Java
programming IDE) but cannot get it to run.
Make sure that you have a JRE compiled with the correct version of
gcc (2.95 for Woody, 3.x for Sarge and Sid).  Your NetBeans problem
must be related to Java, because I just started using it a couple
of days ago.  I siwply untarred it, ran it, and everything worked.
3. The Adobe Acrobat reader looks gosh-awful. Like Windows 2! I have a
version 5.08 linux distribution--maybe this will look better?
The reason Acrobat "looks "ugly" to you is because it uses X11, the most
basic GUI protocol available for Unix and Unix-like systems.  If you
any sort of graphical environment installed in Linux, it will be run
on X11 (at some fundamental level, there are higher-level toolkits like
Qt, Motif, GTK and others).  If you don't like the look and feel, just
email Adobe and tell thew you want a version available for your favorite
toolkit.  If enough people express an interest, they will probaly do it.
Of course there are many alternatives to Acrobat Reader: xpdf, gdpf, gv,
ggv.  There are probably others that I have missed.
4. Oldie-but-goody hardware which I really would like to use:

sw60xg MIDI sound generator--no IRQ, no DMA, just a port address. This card
should be accessable from MPU401 (done this way under W2K). That driver is
there but I havent the foggiest on how to get it running and set it up. I
would then like to control it through a WINE session (lot's of luck!).
I don't know anything about MIDI hardware, but I am almost positive
that WINE does not allow that level of hardware control.
USB -- have a roland MIDI device on this, correctly detected but not shown
on KINFO. This is of recent vintage and there should be some way of using
it. I also need some sort of "hot-plug" support for a development project on
which I am working, also in various windows flavors.
dman2044 audio interface -- PCI, IRQ11--the linux detects that as an AGOSP
Maestro card. There are no linux or even modern windows (W2K, XP) drivers
around for this--have to do my production work in Win98. I have an old
pro-audio16 clunker, an ISA card but I think Linux will support that one for
listening to MP3s or CDs (I havent even tried them yet!).
Davicom32 Fax modem -- ISA, detected. Fairly standard and NOT a "win" modem
(these have never worked on this computer for whatever reason). Haven't the
foggiest how to set up KFax or anything else to use this modem. IRQ5, I
believe, sitting on COM3. Suppose I could try talking to it through KPPP.
Make sure you have isapnptools (I think) and ISA support in your kernel.

I would like to go over to Linux for everything except music production
(since there is no appropriate software yet).
I call BS on this (the no appropriate software thing).  There must be
appropriate sortware because there are plenty of music/movie studios
using Linux now.
-Roberto



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Re: Linux is not for consumers!

[Mark Roach]

On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 06:26, David Baron wrote:
> Problems persist and have gotten nowhere!
> 
> 1. Connecting ADSL -- edited everything including ppp_on_boot, dsl_provider,
> pap_secrets, all that stuff. No go. Running "pon ppp_on_boot" gives me a bad
> tdb and quits. The only tdb reference is from Openoffice so is irrelevant
> here. (All of the little utilities for adding "connections" assume dialups.
> Windows has a virtual VPN adapter to handle that--says it's dialing but it
> ain't.)

Did you try running pppoeconf? That has worked for me on the 15+
different dsl connections I have set up under debian...

> 2. Running Java stuff--Open office works. I installed netbeans (a Java
> programming IDE) but cannot get it to run.

That's not a very detailed error report... what exactly does "cannot get
it to run" mean? (also, OpenOffice is not a Java app, it's written in
c++)

> 3. The Adobe Acrobat reader looks gosh-awful. Like Windows 2! I have a
> version 5.08 linux distribution--maybe this will look better?

Yes, it does look quite bad, Adobe's fault (motif, shudder). KDE and
GNOME each have their own PDF viewers that look a whole lot nicer. Have
you tried them? They don't have all the features of acroread, but I find
I don't typically need them all... YMMV

> 4. Oldie-but-goody hardware which I really would like to use:
[snip some random hardware]

> Davicom32 Fax modem -- ISA, detected. Fairly standard and NOT a "win" modem
> (these have never worked on this computer for whatever reason). Haven't the
> foggiest how to set up KFax or anything else to use this modem. IRQ5, I
> believe, sitting on COM3. Suppose I could try talking to it through KPPP.

should work just fine...
# dmesg | grep ttyS
ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A

That will tell you the device name. kfax appears to be a fax _viewer_ I
believe you are going to want to check out hylafax. To do some simple
hyperterminal-type testing, apt-get install minicom.

> I would like to go over to Linux for everything except music production
> (since there is no appropriate software yet).

It might take some effort, Debian doesn't do much of the work for you,
but once you have it figured out, it won't break on you either. Also,
keep in mind that you are not an average consumer. (and keep the
troll-like subject lines to a minimum please. We are all here because we
like to help other people in our free time, no need to goad us)
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Re: install over serial line

[Albert Dengg]

Hi

search the archives, it was a mail with instructions for woody (it
basically means only that you have to modify the syslinux.cfg on the
floppy and the lilo.conf after install, but otherwise it's just like a
normal install

yours
Albert

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 00:21:05 -0500
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I seem to remember seeing something about installing debian(i386), and
> 
> having the screen sent over a serial line instead of the monitor, but
> I can't seem to find anything like that in the Deb installation
> manual. Am just missing it, or am I nuts?
> 
> Thanks
> 
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Re: Linux is not for consumers!

[Alvin Oga]

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Johann Koenig wrote:

> No, its not for consumers. Well, at least Debian is not. Perhaps
> Mandrake or SuSE, where you can pay for support, is what you're looking
> for.

i think "debian" folks is selling [it|your]self short .. but claiming its
not for consumers 
- have you ever tried to isntall redhat on a motherboard
that is redhat unfriendly ???
- i can give you a hundreds of brand new mb, 
and you-* will NOT be able to install rh ( 9.x and EL )
... but debain, xandros, slackware, suse all seems
perfectly happy to install/boot/run ...

- and vice versa, i can give you a mb that debian will not 
install on either .. or at least it'd take you the better part
of a day or two to bend over backwards..

- and on and on with sound, X11 and network config problems

- than add performance tweeking problems on top of that...
- you'd be surprised what the speed differences is
between distros and/or between tweek'd or not

what is the criteria for "suitable for consumer"  and 
"suitable for eng gen neerz" ??

the typical consumer buys it ready to go off the shelf ...
==
== tom, dick and harry PC store down the street built it for them
== complete with installation ...
==

- some consumers might be able to get it hooked up with their
ip#/gw/routers .. otherwise ... their neighbor or friends come
and play with their new toyz

then, typical consumer pluggs it in and expects to see:
- mozilla/netscape ...
- outlook look alive email client
- kde/gnome desktop
- "office"

- they dont care about anything else ... 
( "they" also includes business .. small and large businesses )

rest of the "what to do with the box details" is way beyond most consumers
 and even still beyong some "eng gen neerz" too 

people can pay for "debian support" too ... just like they can
pay for redhat or suse or mandrake or gazillion other distro's support

c ya
alvin


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Gnome in sarge; is there a default desktop?

[David Gaudine]

I'm trying to use gnome in Sarge.  I've never used gnome before, so I 
don't know what to expect, but I don't think I'm getting what I should.

I selected  gdm as the default window manager.  I get the login screen. 
 After I log in, I get a blank screen, but the mouse buttons let me 
access a menu; it looks like the default twm menu, but "ps ax" doesn't 
show twm running.  I was expecting a desktop.  The gnome user guide 
says to select "Gnome Desktop" from "Session" in the login screen, but 
there is no such option in the list;  the Session menu has "Gnome", 
"Gnome Chooser", "Debian", "Xsession, and a couple of failsafes.

Is there supposed to be a desktop by default?  If not, is there 
something simple to do to enable it?  I'm looking through the 
documentation, but I'm not doing very well.

David







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Re: Bootup Freezes

[Kent West]

Thomas H. George wrote:
For the past few weeks my system frequently freezes or starts in (none) 
tty1 on bootup.   The freezes come at different points in the bootup 
sequence.  When this happens I can recover by booting up with bbc-2.1 
from a cd, running e2fsck -f on each partition (occasionally inodes are 
incorrect, often no problems are found) and then rebooting from the hard 
drive.  When the system is rebooted in this way there are no problems in 
running any of the programs I use.  I have been unable to pinpoint the 
source of this bootup problem.

The system is testing and the kernel is 2.4.22 compiled with the 
/mm/mmap.c patch.  I regularly run apt-get dist-upgrade.

memtest is installed, finds no problems with memory.
smartmontools is installed, the long test finds no problems with the 
hard drive.
clamscan run recursively from / finds no viruses
chkrootkit finds nothing

I believe the problem started when I compiled kernel-source-0.6.0-test9 
and used this kernel to take advantage of the usb 2 speed of a usb dvd 
burner.  This worked fine but with no wireless lan access.  In an 
attempt to solve this I downloaded and compiled 
linux-wlan-ng-0.2.1-pre10 but still had no wireless access.

The one consistant symptom  is the message

   p80211knetdev_hard_start-xinit: Tx attempt prior to association, 
frame dropped

which is repeated many times during the shutdown proceedure frequently 
interrupting the normal sequence of shutdown messages.  Apparently some 
record is stored that affects the next bootup attempt.

I have attempted to correct this by recompiling the 2.4.22 kernel after 
first running mrproper and by then using apt-get install to get the 
debian version of linux-wlan-ng-0.2.0 and reconfiguring  and installing 
this program again after first running make mrproper.   This has not 
solved the problem.

I would greatly appreciate any insights as to what to try next or any 
observations about things I have done wrong or failed to do.

Tom George


You might try booting a few times from a Knoppix CD, just to eliminate 
hardware problems.

I started having similar problems a few weeks ago. I finally tried 
Knoppix, and found it froze the box also, and after some more diagnosis 
(including swapping out the processor) came to the conclusion that my 
mobo had turned south on me. But for quite a while I thought it was 
software-related; it "felt" software-related.

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woody - crash.

[qba]

Helo.

My woody - with 2.4.22 crashed today.

When i came to see it , keyboard was blinking with diodes.
What i had on the monitor was kdb debugging sth. that Oops'ed.
Unfortunaetly due to lack of  time ( i had to reboot it immediately) and
lack of knowlegde i didnt analized what it was debugging.

It seems that there is nothing interesting in logs except

syslog
-
Dec 11 12:21:39 gepard tpop3d[3242]: listeners_post_select: client
[6]80.51.233.34/gepard: connected
Dec 11 12:21:40 gepard tpop3d[3242]: authcontext_new_user_pass: began
session for [EMAIL PROTECTED]' with my
sql; uid 8, gid 8
Dec 11 12:21:40 gepard tpop3d[3242]: fork_child:
[EMAIL PROTECTED](80.51.233.34): successfully authenticat
ed with mysql
Dec 11 12:21:40 gepard tpop3d[3242]: fork_child: new child is PID 15962
Dec 11 12:21:40 gepard tpop3d[15962]: maildir_new: scanned maildir
/var/mail/virt2/f-net.pl/pawlowicz/Maildir/
 (0 messages) in 0.000s
 Dec 11 12:21:41 gepard tpop3d[15962]: connections_post_select: client
 [EMAIL PROTECTED](80.51.233.34): dis
 connected; 53/144 bytes read/written
 Dec 11 12:21:41 gepard tpop3d[15962]: authcontext_delete: finished
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Re: jabber

[Jamin W. Collins]

On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 11:49:05PM -0500, Matt Giddings wrote:
> Anybody out there successful in getting jabberd running on their 
> system?

Several of us, myself included.

> I'm not able to connect remotly, only using localhost as my 
> hostname.

Have you configured your Jabber server's hostname?  In the debian
package you can do this in /etc/jabber/jabber.cfg.

> I have opened ports 5222 & 5223 

That'll cover clear and ssl client connections to the server, but will
not allow other servers to connect to your server, for that you'll need
5269.

> and followed the quick start steps from the documentation 
> (http://jabberd.jabberstudio.org/1.4/doc/adminguide).  I make it 
> partially way through Checkpoint #2, my login dies on step 4 of CP#4.

Have you tried launching the server from the init script (after
configuring your desired hostname in /etc/jabber/jabber.cfg) and using a
normal client to register a user?

-- 
Jamin W. Collins

Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. --Aldous Huxley,
"Proper Studies", 1927


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Re: jabber

[Ken Gilmour]

On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 16:25, Jamin W. Collins wrote:

> > and followed the quick start steps from the documentation 
> > (http://jabberd.jabberstudio.org/1.4/doc/adminguide).  I make it 
> > partially way through Checkpoint #2, my login dies on step 4 of CP#4.
> 
Is there a way to get Jabber server via apt does anyone know?

I can't see it in apt-cache search jabber


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Re: Function of make dep : newbie :-?

[David Z Maze]

Marcos José Setim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Please, which the function of make dep?

It depends on how the makefile is set up (search for a line that says
"dep:"), but usually what this does is look through the source files
for a particular program and generate extra Makefile lines such that,
if one file changes, every file that includes it is rebuilt.

> Where meeting some article/documentation easy about make?

Someone already pointed at the (make) Info file; you also might look
at the GNU coding standards if you want to know what some of the
common make targets are.  Most of this documentation is aimed at
developers, though; if you're just trying to build software and not
modify it, reading individual packages' INSTALL files is probably a
better way to go.

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My fonts in X has disappeared

[luiz]

Hello

I was using the Debian Woody and everything was working. Then, I was
upgraded to Sarge (apt-get dist-upgrade) and now I have one strange
problem: the most part of my fonts, in the X environment, has disappeared.
For example, in KDE, if I select "Appearance & Themes" - "Fonts" -
"Choose", there are only fonts like Courier 10 Pitch, Nimbus Mono L, etc.
Fonts like Helvetica (default of the system) was desappeared. I tried to
uninstall font packages, the XFree86, change the order of load in
/etc/X11/XF86Config-4, etc, but anything has worked.
My /etc/X11/XF86Config-4:
=
Section "Files"
FontPath"unix/:7100"# local font server
# if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
#   FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
EndSection

Section "Module"
Load"GLcore"
Load"bitmap"
Load"dbe"
Load"ddc"
Load"dri"
Load"extmod"
Load"freetype"
Load"glx"
Load"int10"
Load"record"
Load"speedo"
Load"type1"
Load"vbe"
EndSection
=

My /etc/X11/XftConfig:
=
# $XFree86: xc/lib/Xft/XftConfig.cpp,v 1.8 2001/11/21 23:41:12 keithp Exp $

dir "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
#dir "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
dir "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
dir "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
dir "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/encodings"
dir "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/utils"

#
# alias 'fixed' for 'mono'
#
match any family == "fixed" edit family =+ "mono";

#
# Check users config file
#
includeif   "~/.xftconfig"

#
# Alias between XLFD families and font file family name, prefer local
# fonts
#
match any family == "charter"   edit family += "bitstream charter";
match any family == "bitstream charter" edit family =+ "charter";
=
=
$ dpkg -l | grep font
ii  console-data   2002.12.04dbs- Keymaps, fonts, charset maps, fallback
table
ii  console-tools  0.2.3dbs-44Linux console and font utilities
ii  defoma 0.11.5 Debian Font Manager -- automatic font
config
ii  fontconfig 2.2.1-8generic font configuration library
ii  fttools1.2-13.1   FreeType font utilities.
ii  gsfonts6.0-2.1Fonts for the ghostscript interpreter
ii  gsfonts-x110.17   Make Ghostscript fonts available to X11
ii  libconsole 0.2.3dbs-44Shared libraries for Linux console and
font
ii  libfontconfig1 2.2.1-8generic font configuration library
(shared l
ii  libfreetype6   2.1.7-1FreeType 2 font engine, shared library
files
ii  libxft22.1.2-5FreeType-based font drawing library for X
ii  psfontmgr  0.11.5 PostScript font manager -- part of
Defoma, D
ii  t1lib1 1.3.1-3Type 1 font rasterizer library - runtime
ii  type1inst  0.6.1-3.1  Install Adobe Type 1 fonts into X11 and
Ghos
ii  x-ttcidfont-co 14 Configure TrueType and CID fonts for X
rc  xfonts-100dpi  4.2.1-12.1 100 dpi fonts for X
ii  xfonts-75dpi   4.2.1-12.1 75 dpi fonts for X
ii  xfonts-abi 1.0.2+cvs.2002 Some fonts shipped with AbiWord
ii  xfonts-base4.2.1-12.1 standard fonts for X
ii  xfonts-konsole 3.1.3-1Fonts used by the KDE Konsole
ii  xfonts-scalabl 4.2.1-12.1 scalable fonts for X
ii  xfs4.2.1-12.1 X font server
ii  xfs-xtt1.4.1.xf430-3  X-TrueType font server
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I really don´t know what I can make now. Please, can anyone help me?

Thanks in advance





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Re: jabber

[Stephen Liu]

Hi Matt,

I am interested to know the major application of a jabber server

http://www.jabberdoc.org/FrontPage  does not provide much information.

Could you please shed me some light.  Thanks in advance.

B.R.
Stephen Liu



On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 12:49, Matt Giddings wrote:
> Anybody out there successful in getting jabberd running on their 
> system?  I'm not able to connect remotly, only using localhost as my 
> hostname.  I have opened ports 5222 & 5223 and followed the quick start 
> steps from the documentation 
> (http://jabberd.jabberstudio.org/1.4/doc/adminguide).  I make it 
> partially way through Checkpoint #2, my login dies on step 4 of CP#4.
> 
> Thanks,
> Matt
> 


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Re: jabber

[Mark Roach]

On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 12:59, Ken Gilmour wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 16:25, Jamin W. Collins wrote:
> 
> > > and followed the quick start steps from the documentation 
> > > (http://jabberd.jabberstudio.org/1.4/doc/adminguide).  I make it 
> > > partially way through Checkpoint #2, my login dies on step 4 of CP#4.
> > 
> Is there a way to get Jabber server via apt does anyone know?
> 
> I can't see it in apt-cache search jabber

You must have something very wrong with your apt sources then (or be
using something pre-woody) apt-get install jabber does the trick on my
woody system.
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Re: jabber

[Jamin W. Collins]

On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 12:55:09AM +0800, Stephen Liu wrote:
> Hi Matt,
> 
> I am interested to know the major application of a jabber server
> 
> http://www.jabberdoc.org/FrontPage  does not provide much information.
> 
> Could you please shed me some light.  Thanks in advance.

The following link may help:
http://jabbermanual.jabberstudio.org/test/about/overview.html

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Re: Linux is not for consumers!

[bob parker]

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 02:37, Alvin Oga wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Johann Koenig wrote:
> > No, its not for consumers. Well, at least Debian is not. Perhaps
> > Mandrake or SuSE, where you can pay for support, is what you're looking
> > for.
>
> i think "debian" folks is selling [it|your]self short .. but claiming its
> not for consumers 
>   - have you ever tried to isntall redhat on a motherboard
>   that is redhat unfriendly ???
>   - i can give you a hundreds of brand new mb,
>   and you-* will NOT be able to install rh ( 9.x and EL )
>   ... but debain, xandros, slackware, suse all seems
>   perfectly happy to install/boot/run ...
>
>   - and vice versa, i can give you a mb that debian will not
>   install on either .. or at least it'd take you the better part
>   of a day or two to bend over backwards..
>
>   - and on and on with sound, X11 and network config problems
>
>   - than add performance tweeking problems on top of that...
>   - you'd be surprised what the speed differences is
>   between distros and/or between tweek'd or not
>
> what is the criteria for "suitable for consumer"  and
> "suitable for eng gen neerz" ??
>
> the typical consumer buys it ready to go off the shelf ...
>   ==
>   == tom, dick and harry PC store down the street built it for them
>   == complete with installation ...
>   ==
>
>   - some consumers might be able to get it hooked up with their
>   ip#/gw/routers .. otherwise ... their neighbor or friends come
>   and play with their new toyz
>
> then, typical consumer pluggs it in and expects to see:
>   - mozilla/netscape ...
>   - outlook look alive email client
>   - kde/gnome desktop
>   - "office"
>
>   - they dont care about anything else ...
>   ( "they" also includes business .. small and large businesses )
>
> rest of the "what to do with the box details" is way beyond most consumers
>  and even still beyong some "eng gen neerz" too
>
> people can pay for "debian support" too ... just like they can
> pay for redhat or suse or mandrake or gazillion other distro's support
>
FWIW I agree with you in general. Over the last 2 years or so I've installed 
a few Mandrakes 8.2 - 9.0, Redhat 9, and Windows XP Pro, as well as Debian 
Woody.

The absolute worst to install is WinXP, and Woody wants a little more 
knowledge. Mdk and RH are a breeze to install.

So far as using the system is concerned once installed there is just no real 
difficulty. I have done some volunteer work for a charity who hand out 
refurbished legacy hardware c/w Debian + KDE + OO to financially 
disadvantaged folk. Some of those beneficiaries are students but some have 
intellectual handicaps. They have no more trouble running Linux than they do 
Windows period.

Your Joe Average user was never able or willing to install Windows or any 
flavour of Linux but that has nothing whatsoever to do with whether it's 
useable by consumers. Availability of preinstalled systems is more to the 
point. And that scene is changing rather quickly too.

cheers
Bob


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Re: jabber

[Jamin W. Collins]

On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 05:59:05PM +, Ken Gilmour wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 16:25, Jamin W. Collins wrote:
> 
> > > and followed the quick start steps from the documentation 
> > > (http://jabberd.jabberstudio.org/1.4/doc/adminguide).  I make it 
> > > partially way through Checkpoint #2, my login dies on step 4 of CP#4.
> > 
> Is there a way to get Jabber server via apt does anyone know?
> 
> I can't see it in apt-cache search jabber

$ apt-cache search ^jabber
jabber-common - Jabber server and transport (common files)
jabber-jit - Jabber ICQ Transport
psi - Jabber client using Qt
jabber - Daemon for the jabber.org Open Source Instant Messenger
jabber-aim - Provides AIM messenger transport for Jabber IM server
jabber-dev - Daemon for the jabber.org Open Source Instant Messenger
jabber-jud - Provides User Directory support for the Jabber IM server
jabber-msn - Provides the MSN transport for the Jabber IM server
jabber-muc - Multi User Chat module for the Jabber IM Server
jabber-yahoo - Provides Yahoo messenger transport for Jabber IM server
webmin-jabber - jabber server control module for webmin

In woody, the jabber package was in non-US/main.  Since woody's release
this has changed and the package is now in main.

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Re: Linux is not for consumers!

[Richard Kimber]

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:07:16 -0500
"Robert L. Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > No, its not for consumers. Well, at least Debian is not. Perhaps
> > Mandrake or SuSE, where you can pay for support, is what you're
> > looking for.
> 
>   You're right.  Too many consumers are too dumb for for Linux,
>   especially
> Debian.  It requires more than a room tempature IQ and the willingness
> to use it.

This may be true of some; but even reasonably intelligent users with quite
a lot of experience can come unstuck in those areas with which they are
not familiar, simply because the documentation is often so poor.

- Richard


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Re: Linux is not for consumers!

[Nate Duehr]

David Baron wrote:

I would like to go over to Linux for everything except music production
(since there is no appropriate software yet).
Then fire up a text editor and start fixing things.  Or if you're really 
desperate, you could pay someone to.

Linux.  It's a community, not a product.

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Re: jabber

[Stephen Liu]

Hi Jamin,

Thanks for your advice.  

I went through the document unfortunately some of the link 'Section ,
âIntroductionâ' die.

B.R.
Stephen


On Fri, 2003-12-12 at 01:05, Jamin W. Collins wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 12:55:09AM +0800, Stephen Liu wrote:
> > Hi Matt,
> > 
> > I am interested to know the major application of a jabber server
> > 
> > http://www.jabberdoc.org/FrontPage  does not provide much information.
> > 
> > Could you please shed me some light.  Thanks in advance.
> 
> The following link may help:
> http://jabbermanual.jabberstudio.org/test/about/overview.html
> 
> -- 
> Jamin W. Collins
> 
> This is the typical unix way of doing things: you string together lots
> of very specific tools to accomplish larger tasks. -- Vineet Kumar
> 


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Re: jabber

[Jamin W. Collins]

On Fri, Dec 12, 2003 at 01:33:15AM +0800, Stephen Liu wrote:
> Hi Jamin,
> 
> Thanks for your advice.  
> 
> I went through the document unfortunately some of the link 'Section ,
> ???Introduction???' die.

Yea, not sure what those are intended to link to, but the rest of the
document should give you a brief idea of the purpose for Jabber.

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Re: New Debian installer?

[Alexander Fitterling]

Am Mittwoch, 10. Dezember 2003 14:05 schrieb David Palmer.:

> For detailed information, you may well be better off speaking to these
> people here:- http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/
Yes. Thank you.
Regards,
Alex


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Chrony rtc broken?

[John Hasler]

Could someone who is running chrony 1.20 please test the rtc commands for
me?  You'll need 'Enhanced Real-time Clock Support' in the kernel and will
need to uncomment the rtcfile line in /etc/chrony/chrony.conf.  Posting the
output of the rtcdata command in chronyc would suffice.
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Re: Mutt, stop CC-ing the list

[Vineet Kumar]

* Nunya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [031211 02:40]:
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 12:38:03AM -0500, ScruLoose wrote:
> > AFAIK, mutt cannot be made to actually issue a prompt in any of these
> > cases. So I guess if you really _really_ want to be prompted (instead of
> > just using the appropriate command in the first place) then you are
> > trying to make mutt do something outside its usual behaviour after all.
> 
> Thanks for the reply.  Yes, I was wishing for Mutt to help me out 
> instead of making me cogitate "which is appropriate here" when it's 
> usually clear from context.  (In particular the choice between  in 
> Inbox and  for Lists.  I never want the  behavior for Lists, and 
>  does nothing for non-lists).  I'll ask on mutt-users.

Assuming you have your list mail delivered into folders beneath =lists:

folder-hook . 'bind index g group-reply'
folder-hook . 'bind pager g group-reply'
folder-hook =lists 'bind index g list-reply'
folder-hook =lists 'bind pager g list-reply'

good times,
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Re: Linux is for consumers (WAS: Linux is not for consumers!)

[Greg Folkert]

On Thu, 2003-12-11 at 06:26, David Baron wrote:
> Problems persist and have gotten nowhere!
For you maybe. It is just a matter of knowing where to look.

> 1. Connecting ADSL -- edited everything including ppp_on_boot, dsl_provider,
> pap_secrets, all that stuff. No go. Running "pon ppp_on_boot" gives me a bad
> tdb and quits. The only tdb reference is from Openoffice so is irrelevant
> here. (All of the little utilities for adding "connections" assume dialups.
> Windows has a virtual VPN adapter to handle that--says it's dialing but it
> ain't.)
Considering the networking is already working betwixt the DSL Modem and
you machine... I suspect you need to understand how most DSL modems
work.

First of you need to establish whether or not your ISP is using PPPoE.
Most do, I suspect yours does. I have yet to have a PPPoE setup fail if
the DSL modem and the Computer can establish a communication aplenty.

For you my dear sir, you probably need to install:

pppoe - PPP over Ethernet driver
pppoeconf - configures PPPoE/ADSL connections

> I am using an Alcatal speedtouch-home modem connected to a T100 card which
> is correctly detected and configured. Can ping the modem 10.0.0.138 and the
> computer 10.200.1.1. I can even get into the modem's own configuration page
> (use at your own risk as we have said!).
> 
> 2. Running Java stuff--Open office works. I installed netbeans (a Java
> programming IDE) but cannot get it to run.

add this line to your /etc/apt/sources.list:

deb http://jopa.studentenweb.org/debian ./

Then do:  apt-get update && apt-get install j2dk1.4

You should be rocking by then. (Maybe logout and back in as your
unpriv'd user)

> 3. The Adobe Acrobat reader looks gosh-awful. Like Windows 2! I have a
> version 5.08 linux distribution--maybe this will look better?

Acrobat Reader suxxorz. It's got all kinds of useless features.
v5.08-woody0.0 is the latest Adobe has released, and it use the most
ancient widget set known to X11 (this is a Big fault of Adobe, they
could use many newer Widget Sets and have it look really nice). But
there are other PDF readers that are orders of magnitude better. These
are but a few:

xpdf-reader - Portable Document Format (PDF) suite -- viewer for X11
gpdf - Portable Document Format (PDF) viewer
gv - A PostScript and PDF viewer for X using 3d Athena Widgets
kghostview - PostScript viewer for KDE
xpdf-i - Portable Document Format viewer for X11, with decryption
support

If you never look... you will never know.

> 4. Oldie-but-goody hardware which I really would like to use:
> 
> sw60xg MIDI sound generator--no IRQ, no DMA, just a port address. This card
> should be accessable from MPU401 (done this way under W2K). That driver is
> there but I havent the foggiest on how to get it running and set it up. I
> would then like to control it through a WINE session (lot's of luck!).
It is available. Just load the module for it. Of course if you only have
OSS stuff it varies.

OSS:
modprobe mpu401
modprobe v_midi

ALSA:
modprobe snd-mpu401-uart.o
modprobe snd-mpu401.o
modprobe snd-rawmidi
modprobe snd-seq-midi-emul
modprobe snd-seq-midi-event
modprobe snd-seq-midi
modprobe snd-seq-virmidi
modprobe snd-serialmidi
modprobe snd-virmidi

> USB -- have a roland MIDI device on this, correctly detected but not shown
> on KINFO. This is of recent vintage and there should be some way of using
> it. I also need some sort of "hot-plug" support for a development project on
> which I am working, also in various windows flavors.
USB:
modprobe usb-midi

OSS:
modprobe v_midi

ALSA:
modprobe snd-rawmidi
modprobe snd-seq-midi-emul
modprobe snd-seq-midi-event
modprobe snd-seq-midi
modprobe snd-seq-virmidi
modprobe snd-serialmidi
modprobe snd-virmidi

> dman2044 audio interface -- PCI, IRQ11--the linux detects that as an AGOSP
> Maestro card. There are no linux or even modern windows (W2K, XP) drivers
> around for this--have to do my production work in Win98. I have an old
> pro-audio16 clunker, an ISA card but I think Linux will support that one for
> listening to MP3s or CDs (I havent even tried them yet!).
ALSA Project:

http://www.alsa-project.org/~goemon/

I searched @
http://www.midiman.net/support/driversearch.php

Also, you might want to get uptodate info:
http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/index.php3?vendor=vendor-MAudio#matrix

It appears that the 2044 is not officially supported yet, but you could
try some of the modules... might just work. (or you could write your
own)

Also the 2.6.0test kernels (soon to be final (I hope!)) have a better
set of modules as ALSA is Native to 2.6.x rather than an add on.

> Davicom32 Fax modem -- ISA, detected. Fairly standard and NOT a "win" modem
> (these have never worked on this computer for whatever reason). Haven't the
> foggiest how to set up KFax or anything else to use this modem. IRQ5, I
> believe, sitting on COM3. Suppose I could try talking to it through KPPP.

Standard thing to do is:

dmesg | grep ttyS

It should tell you what is what.

Re: Linux is not for consumers!

[Colin Watson]

On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 05:17:28PM +, Richard Kimber wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:07:16 -0500
> "Robert L. Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >   You're right.  Too many consumers are too dumb for for Linux,
> > especially Debian.  It requires more than a room tempature IQ and
> > the willingness to use it.
> 
> This may be true of some; but even reasonably intelligent users with quite
> a lot of experience can come unstuck in those areas with which they are
> not familiar, simply because the documentation is often so poor.

In many cases it will remain poor until people report what they found
confusing about it - it's sometimes hard to document something you wrote
in a way that somebody unfamiliar with it can understand.

-- 
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RE: Linux is not for consumers!

[Michael Martinell]

That's why the people doing the documentation should be the power-user who
is not familiar with every intricate detail, and has had to struggle and
learn the system.  That is the person who can usually explain things in a
matter that does not bore the general populace to tears.  After all, if
you're talking about getting a typical, home-user, windows-user to use
Linux, you had better be talking at a "For Dummies" level.  Which isn't
anything against the windows person, it's just that Linux is allot more in
touch with the hardware side than most users would want to be.

-Original Message-
From: Colin Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 12:02 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux is not for consumers!

On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 05:17:28PM +, Richard Kimber wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:07:16 -0500
> "Robert L. Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >   You're right.  Too many consumers are too dumb for for Linux,
> > especially Debian.  It requires more than a room tempature IQ and
> > the willingness to use it.
> 
> This may be true of some; but even reasonably intelligent users with quite
> a lot of experience can come unstuck in those areas with which they are
> not familiar, simply because the documentation is often so poor.

In many cases it will remain poor until people report what they found
confusing about it - it's sometimes hard to document something you wrote
in a way that somebody unfamiliar with it can understand.

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Re: Sound issues-no sound from cd players

[Derrick 'dman' Hudson]

On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 10:00:01PM -0600, tripolar wrote:
| Thanks
| hooked up the cdrom drive to soundcard.
| now enjoying "Tool" cd :-)
| In the past( I think) I have listened to cd's without that cable.
| any idea how that worked?

Some cd player software simply sends commands to the drive to play the
cd.  This requires the drive's audio-out to be connected to the sound
card's audio-in.

The other option is for the software to extract the data from the cd,
process it, and write it out to the sound card.  This does not require
a direct audio connected between the two.  It also requires more
complex software processing, and as a result more CPU and bus
bandwidth to play.

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pon does nothing when run by users

[David Morse]

All my users are in groups dip and dialout.  They've relogged in.  Now 
when users run "pon demand-wvdial" pppd starts, but the modem doesn't DO 
anything.  When root runs the same command, busy modem dialing ensues.



Similarly, when poff is run as user, and pon had been called previously 
by root, it complains thusly:
/usr/bin/poff: /bin/kill failed. None stopped.

-rwxr-xr-x root root /bin/kill
-rwsr-xr-- root dip  /usr/sbin/pppd
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Re: 2.4.23 (exploit-removed) kernel soon?

[Derrick 'dman' Hudson]

On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 11:38:45PM -0500, Carl Fink wrote:
| On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 06:58:00PM -0900, Greg Madden wrote:
| 
| > I thought Debian Security, for Woody, had an updated 2.4.18 kernel?
| 
| Thanks.  Somehow I was expecting that for a serious security flaw,
| the new kernel would replace the old ones,

Nope.  The whole point of "stable" is that it is stable.  IOW,
unchanging.  Change isn't stable.  It is possible that other changes
in newer kernels will create problems on existing systems.  For
security fixes, you want only the fix to the security problem, not any
other features and what-not the ongoing development has produced.

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It combines the power of C with the readability of PostScript.
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Re: Linux is not for consumers!

[Lucas Bergman]

Nate Duehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> David Baron wrote:
>
> > I would like to go over to Linux for everything except music
> > production (since there is no appropriate software yet).
>
> Then fire up a text editor and start fixing things.  Or if you're
> really desperate, you could pay someone to.
>
> Linux.  It's a community, not a product.

Your point is probably valid, but please don't feed the troll.

Thanks,
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Re: esd taking over /dev/dsp

[Derrick 'dman' Hudson]

On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 07:52:59PM -0500, David Morse wrote:
| [was: stupid sound permission problem]
| 
| Aha!  The real problem is that when user david runs ogg123 its from 
| within X, where "esd -nobeeps" is an fuser of /dev/dsp.  Uh, what's the 
| debian way of allowing these things to co-exist peacefully?

The problem lies in the hardware and the software interface to it.
You are probably using the OSS audio driver in the kernel.  The OSS
drivers only allow one process to use the device at a time.

One solution is a userspace daemon that accepts requests from
processes wishing to output sound, mix the sounds together into a
single waveform and write it to the hardware.  Both the GNOME and KDE
groups took this approach, separately, and created esd and artsd.
Naturally, if one process (namely esd) has the hardware, no other
process can use it (ogg123, xmms, realplayer, etc.).

Another solution is to use the new ALSA drivers.  They allow multiple
processes to access the hardware simultaneously.  This works for me on
the laptop at work (ESS Maestro card).  On my old SB Pro at home the
multiple-access isn't working, but I have briefly read of a (alsa)
solution to that but haven't tried it yet.

HTH,
-D

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Re: Function of make dep : newbie :-?

[Marcos José Setim]

Thank's for all

Em Qua, 2003-12-10 às 22:29, Nunya escreveu:
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2003 at 06:44:52PM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote:
> > Or, if you have info2www installed, enter (make) (including the
> > parentheses) into the "goto:" box
> 
> info2www depends on (apache | httpd); of the several packages that meet 
> that dependency, what's the "least impactful" ?  I'd prefer one which 
> runs as me, not as a service, and listens on localhost only.  (I keep my 
> system absolutely minimal -- I don't want to run a full-blown www 
> server).
> 
> Thanks.
> 


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Re: pon does nothing when run by users

[John Hasler]

> All my users are in groups dip and dialout.  They've relogged in.  Now when
> users run "pon demand-wvdial"...
 ^

Explain, please.

> Similarly, when poff is run as user, and pon had been called previously
> by root, it complains thusly: /usr/bin/poff: /bin/kill failed. None
> stopped.

This is normal.
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Re: Linux is not for consumers!

[Alvin Oga]

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003, Richard Kimber wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:07:16 -0500
> "Robert L. Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > > No, its not for consumers. Well, at least Debian is not. Perhaps
> > > Mandrake or SuSE, where you can pay for support, is what you're
> > > looking for.
> > 
> >   You're right.  Too many consumers are too dumb for for Linux,
> >   especially
> > Debian.  It requires more than a room tempature IQ and the willingness
> > to use it.

"debian and all linux is (basically) free"

> This may be true of some; but even reasonably intelligent users with quite
> a lot of experience can come unstuck in those areas with which they are
> not familiar, simply because the documentation is often so poor.

if docs are poor... you can add your set of docs to the lists...
- create teh "right set of better docs"
- tell google where to find your stuff

if the code is missing, that takes a little more skill or $$$ 
to fix it ... :-)

and we all can benefit from better docs

c ya
alvin

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- current project  802.11g ... drivers are far and few between :-)
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Dumb question (was: LSI Fusion MPT ?)

[ke-list]

Thanks, it works great.

BTW, why doesn't Debian include all this stuff in its install ?
It's not like we're short of space on the CD, right ?

On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 07:31:58AM -0500, Adam Garside wrote:
> 
> You might try the install ISO at the following location:
> 
> http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/
> 
> It is Dell specific and should work for your machine. If not, directions
> are provided for building your own custom ISO.
> 
> -- asg


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Portable Ogg Vorbis player

[Antony Gelberg]

Hi all,

I've been looking for a portable MP3 player for a while.  That is to
say, one that plays .ogg files.  I have about 750 CD's, of which about
200 are ripped in ogg and I'm not going back.  :)

I have just got home with an iRiver iHP-120.  Plays ogg out of the box.
And also mp3, wma, wav, asf (as if) for the masochists amongst us.
USB 2.0 (which seems very fast - I'm rsync'ing my music folder with the
player and the speed files are going by at looks like about 3-5MB/sec).
It can also record, has an FM radio, and looks like the nuts.

It appears as a USB Mass Storage Device, hence is a doddle to copy to
and from.  The included software is for Windows, and is a jukebox
manager (which anyone with well organised folders will find useless),
and a tag database creator.  That is kind of useful.  It's much nicer to
sort through songs by artist/album/title rather than relying on
well-organised and named folders.

As usual, some bright spark has prodcued a Linux version of the database
creator - see http://www.marevalo.net/iRipDB/.

I know this message is kind of off-topic, but I feel this item will
appeal to any Debianista.
http://www.iriver.com/product/info.asp?p_name=iHP-120  :)

A (no affiliation etc)

PS The command I use to sync my music is:

rsync -v -r --size-only --include*/ --include*.m3u --include*.ogg
--include*.mp3 --exclude* ~/music /usbkey

where /usbkey is my mount point for the device.


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Re: pon does nothing when run by users

[David Morse]

John Hasler wrote:
All my users are in groups dip and dialout.  They've relogged in.  Now when
users run "pon demand-wvdial"...
 ^
I named my ppp connection /etc/ppp/peers/demand-wvdial, because ppp 
calls "wvdial --chat" to negotiate the login, and because its 
theoretically an on-demand ppp connection.  I'm starting to notice that 
everyone else just calls theirs "provider"...

Explain, please.


Similarly, when poff is run as user, and pon had been called previously
by root, it complains thusly: /usr/bin/poff: /bin/kill failed. None
stopped.


This is normal.
Bummer, so when root starts up ppp0 at boot time, there's no way for the 
user to shut it down.  Guess we won't be using /etc/init.d/ppp anymore.

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Re: Applications too big in X

[Monique Y. Herman]

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 at 09:29 GMT, Mark Healey penned:
> On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 00:32:58 -0800 (PST), Mark Healey wrote:
> 
>>Whenever I run an application in X the window is too big.  I run it in
>>800X600 mode and it looks like the application window thinks it is on
>>a much higher resolution display.  This isn't much of a problem with
>>most programs, but for the ones where you can't resize the window it
>>is.
>>
>>How do I fix it?
> 
> I've looked into this some and it looks like it is a problem with the
> configuration of saw(mill,fish,blade,horse,tooth,whatever).  The first
> time I managed to get X to start was with a XF86Config-4 cribbed from
> knoppix.  It had X at some insane resolution.
> 
> On a 17" monitor I like 800X600 so that is what I set the max
> resolution at.  Anyway.  It looks like saw? was configured with the
> knoppix reso.
> 
> I think I can fix the problem by "mv"ing the file(s) that was
> generated and restarting X.  I just need to know what file(s).
> 

I'm confused the file that was generated when?

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Re: Linux is not for consumers!

[Monique Y. Herman]

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 at 11:26 GMT, David Baron penned:
> Problems persist and have gotten nowhere!
> 

[snip]

I'm always confused when someone composes a plea for help in which the
subject is some form of negative statement about the product.  When I
read something like that, I tend to think, "That dude has a bad
attitude.  Why should I bother to help him when he's obviously already
made up his mind to dislike my favorite tools?"  The other thought I
have is, "Wow, this person is using a deliberately whiny subject so that
people will read it and rush to his assistance, rather than risk letting
him give up on this tool."

Can you explain to me why you would use a subject such as you did,
rather than "Multiple problems on install: please help" or, better yet,
multipe emails, each specific to a certain problem?

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Re: Linux is not for consumers!

[Paul E Condon]

See bottom post in re. top-post.

On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 12:07:23PM -0600, Michael Martinell wrote:
> That's why the people doing the documentation should be the power-user who
> is not familiar with every intricate detail, and has had to struggle and
> learn the system.  That is the person who can usually explain things in a
> matter that does not bore the general populace to tears.  After all, if
> you're talking about getting a typical, home-user, windows-user to use
> Linux, you had better be talking at a "For Dummies" level.  Which isn't
> anything against the windows person, it's just that Linux is allot more in
> touch with the hardware side than most users would want to be.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Colin Watson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 12:02 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Linux is not for consumers!
> 
> On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 05:17:28PM +, Richard Kimber wrote:
> > On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:07:16 -0500
> > "Robert L. Harris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >   You're right.  Too many consumers are too dumb for for Linux,
> > > especially Debian.  It requires more than a room tempature IQ and
> > > the willingness to use it.
> > 
> > This may be true of some; but even reasonably intelligent users with quite
> > a lot of experience can come unstuck in those areas with which they are
> > not familiar, simply because the documentation is often so poor.
> 
> In many cases it will remain poor until people report what they found
> confusing about it - it's sometimes hard to document something you wrote
> in a way that somebody unfamiliar with it can understand.
> 

Documenting software is like writing a good text book. The author must get
in touch with his "inner Dummy" and speak to his needs. Some geeks have this
ability, but many do not. The commercial "For Dummies" book style is not
particularly good, IMHO. I prefer O'Reilly books. 

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