Re: [SLUG] .procmailrc/.muttrc conflict ?

[Jeff Waugh]

> > MAILDIR=$HOME/Mail
> > DEFAULT=/var/spool/mail/adam

Problem 1 ^

> >set folder=~/Mail
> >set mbox=~/Mail/IN.All
> >set record=~/Mail/Sent
> >set spoolfile=~/Mail/IN.All

Problem 2 ^

> You'll notice that .procmail uses Maildir to define a mailbox

No, that's just a variable called MAILDIR. You're actually telling procmail
to deliver to mboxes, and by default to an mbox called /var/spool/mail/adam.
To tell procmail to deliver to Maildir, you must add a trailing slash. Like
this:

  MAILDIR=$HOME/Maildir/

^ use "Maildir" because it's the standard name for Maildir storage in a
  user's home directory

  DEFAULT=$MAILDIR

^ because there's no point delivering mail to an mbox in /var/spool if
  you want your mail in Maildir format

> , yet when I uncomment the Maildir lines in the .muttrc, I get the error
> message that "Maildir is not a mailbox".

Makes sense, considering the above. Here's what I do (and yeah, I really
should update my perkypants dotfiles):

Selected settings from ~/.procmailrc:

  MAILDIR=$HOME/Maildir/
  DEFAULT=$MAILDIR

Selected settings from ~/.muttrc:

  set mbox_type=Maildir
  set mbox=~/Maildir/
  set folder=~/Maildir/
  set record="~/Maildir/.Sent/"
  set spoolfile=~/Maildir/

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sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail

[Johnny]

I've been looking at sqwebmail and squirrelmail as possible candidates for
setting up our webmail interface on top of qmail. Does anyone have a
recommendation one way or the other? (preferably with some reasons why)


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Re: books-manuals

[Oliver Fuchs]

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 18:20:20 +0200, Tiago Cunha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Hy debian users
> 
> A question from a beginner.
> 
> Any recomendations on a good Debian-linux guide, with administration tools
> and basic setups??
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Tiago Cunha
> 
> 

What about "Debian Reference" by Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
and Editor: David Sewell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Re: Where's xmmsarts?

[Nikita V. Youshchenko]

> Anyone know what happened to xmmsarts in unstable?

It was removed because of some technical problems.
IMHO is is not the best strategy to remove package when somewhat-hard-to-fix
bug is found. But people do this :(


> If it's been pulled for some reason, is there a work-around to get xmms
> to work with KDE/arts?

Try "artsdsp xmms"


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bash: finding if mozilla is running

[David selby]

Hello,

Writting a small script to make mozilla show the results of HTML code 
written in vi, when vi saves, the script  automaticly changes mozilla to 
show that HTML.

I need to know if mozilla is running, if not I need to call it first ... 
seemed simple

if ! ps ax | grep "mozilla-bin" &>/dev/null; then
   /usr/local/mozilla/mozilla -P web &
   .
This worked the first time then I get

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/myfiles/dave/debian/sh files$ ./HTMLgui
7508 pts/0S  0:00 grep mozilla-bin
Ie its picking up on the grep process, finding "mozilla-bin", saying yep 
its running, dont call mozilla & bang, script fails.

Whatever I grep for, grep will find in ps ax as grep xx, a bit 
frustrating !!

Help
Dave
PS still a newbe BASH scripter, If there is a better way of doing this, 
let me know.

#!/bin/sh

# HTMLgui ... enable Mozilla to provide a GUI for vi

currentdir=/usr/local/myfiles/dave/websites/current
oldhtml="mismatch"
if ! ps ax | grep "mozilla-bin"; then
   /usr/local/mozilla/mozilla -P web &
   sleep 3s
fi
echo
while true; do
html=$(ls -t1 $currentdir/*.html | head -n 1)
if [ $oldhtml = $html ]; then
   sleep 1s
else
   echo -e "HTMLgui ... changing to ${html##/*/}"
   oldhtml=$html
   /usr/local/mozilla/mozilla -P web -remote "openFile($html)"
fi
done


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How to turn of touchpad on laptop?

[Joerg Johannes]

Hi everybody

I'd like to turn off the touchpad on my laptop wehn I have an USB mouse 
plugged in. In my XF86Config-4 I have configured two pointer devices:
InputDevice"PS/2 Mouse" "CorePointer"
and
InputDevice"USB Mouse" "CorePointer"
Is there a way to turn the "PS/2 Mouse" off (and back on) when X is 
already running?

Thanks
joerg

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on-screen keyboard

[Jianan Huang]

Hi folks,

Thanks for the replies to my previous msg. I have changed the font size and 
color of xterm. Light sea green-on-black is much more easy on the eyes than 
the original white-on-black.

I have opted to use fvwm instead of KDE or GNOME because it is less 
demanding on memory. Moreover its used on a tablet PC I passed on to me for 
some work.

I need a on-screen keyboard. I have used a very good one called 
Click-and-Type, a free software but only runs on MS-Window. I have not been 
able to find one in Debian Packages. Does any know of a good one for Linux?

Another problem is that with fvwm, Xcalc and Bitmap Graphics from the App 
menu is not displaying properly. Anyone has any experience on this?

Have a nice weekend.

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Re: Can't enable DMA

[Andrew McGuinness]

Aaron wrote:
> On -4969-Fri, Jul 18, 2003 at 10:41:47PM -0500, Shyamal Prasad 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spake thus,
>
>>"Anthony" == Anthony Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>Anthony> On 18 Jul 2003, John Little wrote:
>>>> >I'm using 3.0r0 (2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel) with ASRock K7VT2
>>>> m/board and Maxtor >30GB ATA133 hard disk.  >I tried switching
>>>> on DMA using hdparm -d1 /dev/hda but got the following >error
>>>> message:
>>>> >
>>>> >HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
>>>> >
>>
>>Anthony> [snip]
>>
>>Anthony> Not sure if this will help, but with a VIA chipset I had
>>Anthony> to enable
>>
>>Anthony> CONFIG_BLK_DEV_VIA82CXXX=y
>>
>>Anthony> to get DMA to work.
>>
>>FYI to the original poster this option is set in 2.4.18-bf2.4.
>>
>>http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/bf2.4/kernel-config
>>
>
>
> I've been having this same problem, but apparently my VIA version
> doesn't match 82CXXX, so I'm completely dead in the water for DMA (I
> know, VIA is bad). I want to buy a PCI IDE controller card that will
> support DMA, will this solve my problem? If so, what kind should I get
> so it will be Debian-compatible?
>
> Any suggestions? If someone out there is using Debian and a PCI IDE
> controller, I'd love to hear from you.
>

You need a newer kernel.  Stock 2.4.18 wasn't up-to-date with VIA agp
chipsets -- Red Hat always patch their kernels with driver updates,
which is why your Red Hat system worked.
In fact there's a ton of VIA chipset updates between 2.4.20 and 2.4.21,
and more in 2.4.22pre.  I am running 2.4.22pre5 on a KM266 chipset,
which is basically your KT266A with integrated video.
Your motherboard has the 8235 southbridge:

http://www.amptron.com/html/Motherboard_K7vt2_frame.html

It is working for me:

Linux agpgart interface v0.99 (c) Jeff Hartmann
agpgart: Maximum main memory to use for agp memory: 409M
agpgart: Detected Via Apollo Pro KM266 / KL266 chipset
agpgart: AGP aperture is 128M @ 0xd000
Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 7.00beta4-2.4
ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
VP_IDE: IDE controller at PCI slot 00:11.1
VP_IDE: chipset revision 6
VP_IDE: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
VP_IDE: VIA vt8235 (rev 00) IDE UDMA133 controller on pci00:11.1
ide0: BM-DMA at 0xac00-0xac07, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio
ide1: BM-DMA at 0xac08-0xac0f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio
darjeeling:/data/debian/dists/extra# hdparm /dev/hda

/dev/hda:
 multcount= 16 (on)
 I/O support  =  1 (32-bit)
 unmaskirq=  1 (on)
 using_dma=  1 (on)
 keepsettings =  0 (off)
 nowerr   =  0 (off)
 readonly =  0 (off)
 readahead=  8 (on)
 geometry = 9964/255/63, sectors = 160086528, start = 0
 busstate =  1 (on)
As you can see, my chipset is a KM266, not your KT266A, but the
southbridge chip that actually does the IDE is the same.
If upgrading to 2.4.21 doesn't work, come back to me.  As a last resort,
contact Vojtech Pavlik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> as your syslog suggested -- I'm
looking at the source for 2.4.22pre5 and I'm a bit confused by the
KT266A detection; I wouldn't be amazed if there was a bug in there.
(I always build my own kernels with make-kpkg, so I don't know if .debs
are easily available for woody for the 2.4.21 kernel:  can someone give
pointers if necessary?  If not you'll have to do what I do: install
kernel-package and build from the kernel sources.)
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Re: Attach "Post-It" notes to .PDF files

[Paul Johnson]

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On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 06:47:22PM +0200, Peter Hugosson-Miller wrote:
> Does anyone know of a way to achieve the same functionality in Linux? I 
> have downloaded the free Linux Acrobat reader from Adobe, but it's not 
> in there (or at least I cant find it).

Adobe no longer supports it's Linux acrobat reader, AFAIK.  Your best
bet is to find the best open source PDF reader you can find and
cranking out some code.

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Re: PDF viewing and such

[Paul Johnson]

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On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 02:12:46PM -0400, Aaron wrote:
> I am wondering what everyone here uses to view PDF files in Linux
> these days? I do use text2pdf for instances where I only care about
> the textual content, but copying the PDF to OS X or Windows to view it
> in Reader is getting cumbersome. Recommendations?

I usually use KGhostView.

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Re: PDF viewing and such

[Paul Johnson]

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On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 01:32:43PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> xpdf, gs and Adobe acroread.  GPL purists won't like acroread, of
> course, but it does a very good job...

If you don't mind it being slow, ugly resource pig that doesn't know
what a mouse wheel is...

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Re: RedHat more debian like?

[cr]

On Saturday 26 July 2003 00:56, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 07:10:02AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On Fri, 2003-07-25 at 00:32, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > > On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 10:20:11PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > > Since there's still only(?) GPL s/w in RH9, and they give it away
> > > > for free from FTP, why complain?
> > >
> > > Mostly because their distro feels sloppy and more of a means to make a
> > > buck rather than the end in itself as Debian and other non-profit
> > > maintained distros feel.  And as we've seen, people who distribute
> > > Linux for profit aren't necissarily our friend.
> >
> > RH employs many kernel, GNOME and PostgreSQL hackers.
>
> Not to mention even a few Debian developers.

Besides, if GNU/Linux ever becomes a force to be reckoned with in the 
business world, it will be because of companies like RH, Suse, maybe IBM,  
IMO.   I know the way corporate beancounters think.   They don't believe 
something free can be any good, and they *want* to pay for everything, they 
want to buy it from a company so they can hold the supplier responsible for 
making it work.   They think, if they've paid for support, they'll get it, 
and if they haven't, they have no contractual basis for demanding support.

I think they have the vision of a flatworm, but that's the way they are.   So 
they may buy Red Hat, they would certainly buy IBM, but they're extremely 
unlikely to touch Debian unless somebody *sells* it to them for enough money.

Now I expect someone will tell me their company does use Debian - well, lucky 
you, you work for a company whose managers' IQ exceeds their waist size (in 
inches).;)

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ls in color

[Johnny]

As of what I saw in slackware, ls is capable of displaying itz results in
color. But up till what I have seen in debian, the ls in debian seems to be
black and white. Can anyone tell me how to turn the color option on? btw
ls --color=auto does not work

Thank you in advance

Regards,
Johnny


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Re: Where's xmmsarts?

[Colin Watson]

On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 12:18:18PM +0400, Nikita V. Youshchenko wrote:
> Kent West wrote:
> > Anyone know what happened to xmmsarts in unstable?
> 
> It was removed because of some technical problems.

Specifically:

=
[Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:24:09 -0400] [ftpmaster: Ryan Murray]
Removed the following packages from unstable:

  xmmsarts | 0.4-26 | source, alpha, arm, hppa, i386, ia64, m68k, mips, mipsel, 
powerpc, s390, sparc
Closed bugs: 201289

--- Reason ---
ROM; unusable due to conflicting gthreads libraries

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See the referenced bug for more information.

> IMHO is is not the best strategy to remove package when somewhat-hard-to-fix
> bug is found. But people do this :(

It's a hell of a lot better than ignoring the problem, which people do
far more. I think removing hideously broken packages is something we
should do rather more often, actually.

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Re: ls in color

[Paul Johnson]

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On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 06:59:14PM +0800, Johnny wrote:
> As of what I saw in slackware, ls is capable of displaying itz results in
> color. But up till what I have seen in debian, the ls in debian seems to be
> black and white. Can anyone tell me how to turn the color option on? btw
> ls --color=auto does not work

You're boned.  If other text displays in color, figure out which
package contains ls and bugreport it (though I haven't been able to
reproduce this).  What exactly does it do?

If it really does work and you had color turned off or something, then
you can get it to automatically give you ls in color by

alias ls='ls --color=auto'

in your .bashrc

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Re: crack traces in /var ?

[Andreas von Heydwolff]

Thanks to all contributors for your helpful, kind and informative 
responses and discussion. I will now unsubscribe temporarily and be back 
by the middle of next month, then at first reinstalling...

Of course, should there be further postings I'll be happy to read them 
later.

Take care,

Andreas

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Re: RedHat more debian like?

[Colin Watson]

On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 10:24:13PM +1200, cr wrote:
> On Saturday 26 July 2003 00:56, Colin Watson wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 07:10:02AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > > RH employs many kernel, GNOME and PostgreSQL hackers.
> >
> > Not to mention even a few Debian developers.
> 
> Besides, if GNU/Linux ever becomes a force to be reckoned with in the
> business world, it will be because of companies like RH, Suse, maybe
> IBM,  IMO.   I know the way corporate beancounters think.   They don't
> believe something free can be any good, and they *want* to pay for
> everything, they want to buy it from a company so they can hold the
> supplier responsible for making it work.   They think, if they've paid
> for support, they'll get it, and if they haven't, they have no
> contractual basis for demanding support.
> 
> I think they have the vision of a flatworm, but that's the way they
> are.   So they may buy Red Hat, they would certainly buy IBM, but
> they're extremely unlikely to touch Debian unless somebody *sells* it
> to them for enough money.
> 
> Now I expect someone will tell me their company does use Debian -
> well, lucky you, you work for a company whose managers' IQ exceeds
> their waist size (in inches).;)

Both my company and my previous company use Debian. :) Of course, this
is mostly because I work in software development and have always had
other Debianites, if not even other long-time Debian developers, around.

At least in the near term, I think the future for Debian in business is
likely to be through companies like HP (which I pick semi-randomly
because Bdale gave an excellent talk on HP and Debian at DebConf) who
are willing to put effort into both developing Debian and selling it to
their customers. Having big names in our favour is the easiest way to
become accepted quickly in that world.

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Re: ls in color

[Florian Ernst]

Hello Johnny!

At Saturday 26 July 2003 13:00 Johnny wrote:

> As of what I saw in slackware, ls is capable of displaying itz
> results in color. But up till what I have seen in debian, the ls in
> debian seems to be black and white. Can anyone tell me how to turn
> the color option on? btw ls --color=auto does not work

Take a look at your .bashrc, it's all setup there but uncommented by
default.
Adjust it to your needs and there you go.

HTH,
Flo


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Re: Can't enable DMA

[Andrew McGuinness]

Aaron wrote:
[snip] 

I've been having this same problem, but apparently my VIA version
doesn't match 82CXXX, so I'm completely dead in the water for DMA (I
know, VIA is bad). [snip]
And another thing...  VIA seem to have made a big effort on Linux 
support recently - for instance, my mobo uses the KM266 integrated 
graphics (an S3 ProSavage), and VIA have recently put out a release of 
open-source driver software for this, based on the existing XFree but 
with more support, DRI/DRM, etc...  This is still being merged into 
XFree86 and the kernel, but VIA deserve credit for supplying the code.

I don't know if the recent surge in VIA ide support in the kernel that I 
mentioned in my other post was triggered by help from the vendor or not.

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Re: bash: finding if mozilla is running

[Seneca]

On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 10:22:53AM +0100, David selby wrote:
> Writting a small script to make mozilla show the results of HTML code 
> written in vi, when vi saves, the script  automaticly changes mozilla to 
> show that HTML.
> 
> I need to know if mozilla is running, if not I need to call it first ... 
> seemed simple
> 
> if ! ps ax | grep "mozilla-bin" &>/dev/null; then
>/usr/local/mozilla/mozilla -P web &
>.
[...]
> Ie its picking up on the grep process, finding "mozilla-bin", saying yep 
> its running, dont call mozilla & bang, script fails.

ps --no-headers -C "mozilla-bin" | grep -q -- "-bin"

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Re: RedHat more debian like?

[Ismael Valladolid Torres]

Paul Johnson escribe el 25/07/03 05:11:
I wonder if this transparent attempt to get free labour for a
commercial venture will pay off.
Selling Debian CD's, or selling support for Debian installations on
corporate servers, are also "transparent attempts to get free labour for
a commercial venture"?
Sorry if I miss something, but I though I understood all that "free, as
in free spech, not as in free beer" stuff...
Regards, Ismael

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Re: bash: finding if mozilla is running

[Nicos Gollan]

On Saturday 26 July 2003 11:22, David selby wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Writting a small script to make mozilla show the results of HTML code
> written in vi, when vi saves, the script  automaticly changes mozilla to
> show that HTML.
>
> I need to know if mozilla is running, if not I need to call it first ...
> seemed simple

The mozilla remote has a ping command:

mozilla -remote ping()

(you might need to escape the parentheses) returns 0 when Mozilla is running 
and !=0 otherwise. Calling it directly from test usually works fine.

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sound configuration in Debian

[Italian Superstar]

Hi,
I use a Sound Blaster PCI sound card but my X-Window cannot recognise it. It 
displays a message saying "/dev/dsp cannot be opened. Permission denied. 
Sound output is null". Can someone tell me how to configure my sound card on 
Debian.

PS. Thanx to everyone who's helped me configure my wireless mouse. I simply 
ran "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" and selected /dev/psaux and "ImPS/2" 
for my mouse device and presto! Once again, thanx.

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Re: sound configuration in Debian

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

Italian Superstar wrote:

> I use a Sound Blaster PCI sound card but my X-Window cannot recognise
> it. It displays a message saying "/dev/dsp cannot be opened. Permission
> denied. Sound output is null". Can someone tell me how to configure my
> sound card on Debian.

This has nothing to do with your X-Window-System. It is a permission
problem. As you were already told in both replies to your last message,
you must add the user to the audio group to have access to the sound
device files (and log out and in again to apply the changes).

best regards
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Re: abcde is failing me. SOLVED

[Antonio Rodr]

On Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:56:43 -0400
Antonio RodrX <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If I run it as root, it works good. If I run it as user, not so. I've
> tweaked the $HOME/.abcde.conf and have been able to make the list of
> errors get smaller, but still. Next I copy what I keep getting. It
> seems as if cdparanoia is not working fully for the user. However, at
> the command prompt it works for the user. I tried -v, didn't help me
> much. Output of abcde:
> chat:~/musica$ abcde -a encode
> /usr/bin/abcde: cddb,read,encode,tag,move,playlist,clean: command not
> found/usr/bin/abcde: encode: command not found
> /usr/bin/abcde: tag: command not found
> /usr/bin/abcde: move: command not found
> /usr/bin/abcde: playlist: command not found
> Getting CD track info... Grabbing entire CD - tracks: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8
> 9 10 11 12 13 14 abcde: attempting to resume from
> /home/tony/musica/abcde.c407e10e.. Grabbing track 1...
> cdparanoia III release 9.8 (March 23, 2001)
> (C) 2001 Monty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> and Xiphophorus
> 
> Report bugs to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.xiph.org/paranoia/
> 
> 
> Unable to open cdrom drive; -v will give more information.
> The following commands failed to run:
> readtrack-1: cdparanoia  returned code 1
> Finished. Not cleaning /home/tony/musica/abcde.c407e10e.
> chat:~/musica$ 

For references in the archive I am sending to the list the found solution.

##
###

 Problems with cdparanoia, or abcde to rip a CD as user

###
##

Problems ripping a CD with abcde as user:
cdparanoia reports error, exit code 1.
However, it works as root.

Case: CD drives are ide, kernel with scsi simulation.

ls -l /dev/sg* reports
ownership by root, group also root

Solution:

1. chown g+rw /dev/sg*
2. chgrp cdrom /dev/sg*

These two steps have been enogh to make abcde work as user (user that
belongs to cdrom group).


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Re: bash: finding if mozilla is running

[Sebastian Kapfer]

On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 11:30:06 +0200, David selby wrote:

> I need to know if mozilla is running, if not I need to call it first ...
> seemed simple

Yeah. That's why I use Galeon. I never understood Mozilla's remote
control. :-) Of course, Galeon has other advantages, too...

> Whatever I grep for, grep will find in ps ax as grep xx, a bit
> frustrating !!

use "ps -C mozilla-bin", no grep

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Re: sound configuration in Debian

[Andrew McGuinness]

Italian Superstar wrote:
Hi,
I use a Sound Blaster PCI sound card but my X-Window cannot recognise 
it. It displays a message saying "/dev/dsp cannot be opened. Permission 
denied. Sound output is null". Can someone tell me how to configure my 
sound card on Debian.

It's not X that uses the sound card, but...

It sounds like you don't have permission on the sound devices.  In 
Debian this is handled with the "audio" group.

If your user ID is fred, do (as root)

# adduser fred audio

You will need to restart your X session to pick up the new group.

Another group you might want to add at some point is "cdrom"

Andrew

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set www-browser to galeon

[Paul Worrall]

Greetings!

I have just installed the news aggregator 'Straw' and find that
whenever I click on a hyperlink in it, a terminal window is opened
entitled www-browser and the link is opened in Links.  I would like
to change this behaviour to make it open in a new tab in galeon.  I have
looked at update-alternatives, but the only alternatives for www-browser
are Links and Lynx. I am running under Window Maker because my machine
does not have the resources to run the full Gnome desktop (I'm guessing
that the Gnome configuration program may let you set a default web
browser). Does anyone have any ideas how to set this up?

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Re: bash: finding if mozilla is running

[Sebastian Kapfer]

On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 13:50:05 +0200, Seneca wrote:

> On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 10:22:53AM +0100, David selby wrote:
>> Writting a small script to make mozilla show the results of HTML code
>> written in vi, when vi saves, the script  automaticly changes mozilla
>> to show that HTML.
>> 
>> I need to know if mozilla is running, if not I need to call it first
>> ... seemed simple
>> 
>> if ! ps ax | grep "mozilla-bin" &>/dev/null; then
>>/usr/local/mozilla/mozilla -P web &
>>.
> [...]
>> Ie its picking up on the grep process, finding "mozilla-bin", saying
>> yep its running, dont call mozilla & bang, script fails.
> 
> ps --no-headers -C "mozilla-bin" | grep -q -- "-bin"

Why grep? ps returns != 0 if no mozilla-bin process can be found and == 0
if one is found.

ps -C mozilla-bin >/dev/null

should cover it.

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Re: bash: finding if mozilla is running

[David selby]

David selby wrote:

Hello,

Writting a small script to make mozilla show the results of HTML code 
written in vi, when vi saves, the script  automaticly changes mozilla 
to show that HTML.

I need to know if mozilla is running, if not I need to call it first 
... seemed simple

if ! ps ax | grep "mozilla-bin" &>/dev/null; then
   /usr/local/mozilla/mozilla -P web &
   .
This worked the first time then I get

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/myfiles/dave/debian/sh files$ ./HTMLgui
7508 pts/0S  0:00 grep mozilla-bin
Ie its picking up on the grep process, finding "mozilla-bin", saying 
yep its running, dont call mozilla & bang, script fails.

Whatever I grep for, grep will find in ps ax as grep xx, a bit 
frustrating !!

Help
Dave
PS still a newbe BASH scripter, If there is a better way of doing 
this, let me know.

#!/bin/sh

# HTMLgui ... enable Mozilla to provide a GUI for vi

currentdir=/usr/local/myfiles/dave/websites/current
oldhtml="mismatch"
if ! ps ax | grep "mozilla-bin"; then
   /usr/local/mozilla/mozilla -P web &
   sleep 3s
fi
echo
while true; do
html=$(ls -t1 $currentdir/*.html | head -n 1)
if [ $oldhtml = $html ]; then
   sleep 1s
else
   echo -e "HTMLgui ... changing to ${html##/*/}"
   oldhtml=$html
   /usr/local/mozilla/mozilla -P web -remote "openFile($html)"
fi
done


Many thanks for all your help, works great now,
Dave
PS what is this Galleon thing ?



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Upon boot, many strange and useless modules are loaded

[Darin Strait]

I have a simple Gateway consumer-grade machine with an i810e motherboard, 
866MHz/128MB/120MB ide. I am running 2.4.21-2-686. Using grub to boot my old 
2.4.20 does not help.

I had left the machine running for a few weeks, when I needed to shut it down. 
After rebooting, my USB mouse is frozen upon reaching the KDM login screen. 

After a little poking around, I found that all sorts of oddball modules (for 
which I don't have the hardware. serverworks?) had been loaded. After 
manually rmmod-ing them, my mouse unfroze and all was happy. 

My recurring problem is that all of the modules that I rmmod-ed  re-appear 
upon a reboot. I haven't had time to troubleshoot this all week, so I've been 
limping along by running this script, which will result in my being able to 
use my mouse.

# begin included file
rmmod via82cxxx
rmmod trm290
rmmod triflex
rmmod slc90e66
rmmod sis5513
rmmod siimage
rmmod serverworks
rmmod sc1200
rmmod rz1000
rmmod pdc202xx_old
rmmod opti621
rmmod ns87415
rmmod hpt366
rmmod hpt34x
rmmod cy82c693
rmmod cs5530
rmmod cmd64x  
rmmod cmd640
rmmod amd74xx
rmmod alim15x3
rmmod aec62xx
rmmod adma100
rmmod pdc202xx_new
# end of file


Help?


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Re: bash: finding if mozilla is running

[Shyamal Prasad]

"David" == David selby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

David> PS what is this Galleon thing ?

That's any easy question to answer ;-)

$ dpkg -p galeon
Package: galeon
Priority: optional
[...deleted.]
Description: Mozilla based web browser with GNOME look and feel
 Galeon is a fast Web Browser for the GNOME Desktop Environment.
 .
 Galeon's use of Mozilla's Gecko rendering engine makes it more feature
 complete and standards compliant than most other browsers available.
 .
 By using the GNOME and GTK libraries for the user interface, Galeon is
 usually faster than mozilla and the interface integrates well with the
 GNOME Desktop Environment.


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Re: Can't enable DMA

[Shyamal Prasad]

"Andrew" == Andrew McGuinness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Andrew> Aaron wrote:
>> 
>> I've been having this same problem, but apparently my VIA
>> version doesn't match 82CXXX, so I'm completely dead in the
>> water for DMA (I know, VIA is bad). I want to buy a PCI IDE

Andrew> You need a newer kernel.  Stock 2.4.18 wasn't up-to-date
Andrew> with VIA agp chipsets -- Red Hat always patch their
Andrew> kernels with driver updates, which is why your Red Hat
Andrew> system worked.

While this is true I'd be interested in what AGP has to do with DMA. I
have a KT266A based motherboard (Soyo K7V Dragon+), and I run Debian's
2.4.18-k7, and DMA works great for me???

Perhaps it is because I do not load the agpgart module. I don't use
AGP because I use a $20 Mach64 card to throw a lot of pixels on to my
21 inch monitor for emacs and xterms. No fancy graphics and stuff. Is
it the act of turning on AGP that causes the 2.4.18 kernel to make DMA
unavailable?

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dmesg | grep agp
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dmesg | grep KT
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ /sbin/lsmod | grep agp
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8367 [KT266]
00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8367 [KT266 AGP]
00:0e.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10)
00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233 PCI to ISA Bridge
00:11.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. Bus Master IDE (rev 06)
00:11.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. UHCI USB (rev 1b)
00:11.3 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. UHCI USB (rev 1b)
00:11.4 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. UHCI USB (rev 1b)
00:12.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. Ethernet Controller (rev 70)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage XL AGP (rev 27)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo /sbin/hdparm /dev/hda

/dev/hda:
 multcount= 16 (on)
 I/O support  =  1 (32-bit)
 unmaskirq=  1 (on)
 using_dma=  1 (on)
 keepsettings =  0 (off)
 nowerr   =  0 (off)
 readonly =  0 (off)
 readahead=  8 (on)
 geometry = 7297/255/63, sectors = 117231408, start = 0
 busstate =  1 (on)


Cheers!
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Re: bash: finding if mozilla is running

[Alan Connor]

> From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Jul 26 07:35:08 2003
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 10:22:53AM +0100, David selby wrote:
> > Writting a small script to make mozilla show the results of HTML code=20
> > written in vi, when vi saves, the script  automaticly changes mozilla to=
> =20
> > show that HTML.
> >=20
> > I need to know if mozilla is running, if not I need to call it first ...=
> =20
> > seemed simple
> >=20
> > if ! ps ax | grep "mozilla-bin" &>/dev/null; then
> >/usr/local/mozilla/mozilla -P web &
> >.
> [...]
> > Ie its picking up on the grep process, finding "mozilla-bin", saying yep=
> =20
> > its running, dont call mozilla & bang, script fails.
> 
> ps --no-headers -C "mozilla-bin" | grep -q -- "-bin"
> 


This might help in the future, Seneca:

ps a  | grep slrn | grep -v grep
  863 pts/3S  0:00 slrn


Alan


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Cannot connect to http://localhost:631

[J. Zidar]

I have a HP Deskjet 656C printer that I would like to set up using CUPS,
but when I try to connect to http://localhost:631 Mozilla complains about
not being able to connect to that server.Running the command cupsdconf as root 
gives the error:
Unable to retrieve configuration file from the CUPS server. 
You probably don't have the access permissions to perform this operation.

CUPS are installed (I can see cupsd running). The printer is connected
through a USB port. The modules were loaded without any complaints from
the kernel. I'm root while doing all the work.

Thanks for any advice.

Jernej







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Pilot sync software that can install to VFS

[Kirk Strauser]

I use Kpilot to sync my m130 over USB, and it works great.  However, I
*really* need the ability to install files directly to VFS, instead of
installing them to RAM and manually copying them over.  For example, certain
doc viewers are perfectly capable of reading 20MB files, but it's simply not
possible to get them into the Palm without moving them straight to VFS.

My wife can do this on her iMac.  Can I do this on Linux?
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Adding ipchains to kernel

[Steven]

I'm recompiling my kernel - I forgot to add ipchains support last time. 
 The problem is that ipchains isn't listed in the menuconfig stuff.  
Where do I build it in?  I also searched .config for ipchains, but it 
wasn't found.  Thanks for any help.
Steven

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Re: bash: finding if mozilla is running

[Greg Norris]

On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 07:36:47AM -0700, Alan Connor wrote:
> This might help in the future, Seneca:
> 
> ps a  | grep slrn | grep -v grep
>   863 pts/3S  0:00 slrn

You can cut out an unnecessary process (not that it's likely to be a
big deal these days) with: 

  ps a | grep "[s]lrn"


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Re: Can't enable DMA

[Andrew McGuinness]

Shyamal Prasad wrote:
> "Andrew" == Andrew McGuinness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Andrew> Aaron wrote:
> >>
> >> I've been having this same problem, but apparently my VIA
> >> version doesn't match 82CXXX, so I'm completely dead in the
> >> water for DMA (I know, VIA is bad). I want to buy a PCI IDE
>
> Andrew> You need a newer kernel.  Stock 2.4.18 wasn't up-to-date
> Andrew> with VIA agp chipsets -- Red Hat always patch their
> Andrew> kernels with driver updates, which is why your Red Hat
> Andrew> system worked.
>
> While this is true I'd be interested in what AGP has to do with DMA. I
> have a KT266A based motherboard (Soyo K7V Dragon+), and I run Debian's
> 2.4.18-k7, and DMA works great for me???
>
> Perhaps it is because I do not load the agpgart module. I don't use
> AGP because I use a $20 Mach64 card to throw a lot of pixels on to my
> 21 inch monitor for emacs and xterms. No fancy graphics and stuff. Is
> it the act of turning on AGP that causes the 2.4.18 kernel to make DMA
> unavailable?
>
You're right; the AGP stuff is irrelevant.  It's the PCI ids and the ide
driver that matter for this stuff, I was mistaken about the AGP.
If you look at the pci_ids.h for 2.4.18, you can see that there is an id
for the VT8233, which it seems you have with the KT266, but not for the
VT8235, which Aaron has with is KT266A and I have with my KM266.
http://lxr.linux.no/source/include/linux/pci_ids.h?v=2.4.18#L961

I notice that the via82cxxx.c driver in 2.4.18 actually does have code
for the 8235, but it's ifdef'ed out unless "FUTURE_BRIDGES" is defined,
and it isn't, anywhere. It looks like the code was added but not enabled
at that point.
The support was added by 2.4.20, so there is every reason to suppose
that Aaron's DMA will work with 2.4.20 or 21.
http://lxr.linux.no/source/drivers/ide/via82cxxx.c#L73

> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dmesg | grep agp
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dmesg | grep KT
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ /sbin/lsmod | grep agp
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ lspci
> 00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8367 [KT266]
> 00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8367 [KT266 AGP]
> 00:0e.0 Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 
(rev 10)
> 00:11.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233 PCI to ISA Bridge
> 00:11.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc. Bus Master IDE (rev 06)
> 00:11.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. UHCI USB (rev 1b)
> 00:11.3 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. UHCI USB (rev 1b)
> 00:11.4 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. UHCI USB (rev 1b)
> 00:12.0 Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. Ethernet 
Controller (rev 70)
> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage XL AGP 
(rev 27)

lspci doesn't show exactly what PCI device is being used for IDE, but
the 8233 southbridge is listed above for its ISA function, so I'm pretty
sure that's what you've got.  VIA added a lot of features to the KT266A
compared to the KT266 (they sound similar because they support the same
memory and processor buses).  The VT8233 does UDMA100 and the VT8235
does UDMA133.  I think 2.4.18 didn't support UDMA133 devices at all.


>
> Cheers!
> Shyamal
>
>


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Re: Cannot connect to http://localhost:631

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

J. Zidar wrote:

> I have a HP Deskjet 656C printer that I would like to set up using CUPS,
> but when I try to connect to http://localhost:631 Mozilla complains
> about not being able to connect to that server.Running the command
> cupsdconf as root gives the error:
> Unable to retrieve configuration file from the CUPS server.
> You probably don't have the access permissions to perform this
> operation.
> 
> CUPS are installed (I can see cupsd running). The printer is connected
> through a USB port. The modules were loaded without any complaints from
> the kernel. I'm root while doing all the work.

Is your loopback device up? Check with ifconfig.

What does "netstat -l" say? If Cups is listening with default
configuration, it should show a line like this:

tcp0  0 *:ipp   *:* LISTEN

If it doesn't and cupsd is running, maybe your Cups is misconfigured. Take
a look at your /etc/cups/cupsd.conf, especially the sections "Network
Options" and "Security Options".

best regards
Andreas Janssen

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Re: Upon boot, many strange and useless modules are loaded

[Stephen Patterson]

On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 16:30:14 +0200, Darin Strait wrote:
> I have a simple Gateway consumer-grade machine with an i810e motherboard, 
> 866MHz/128MB/120MB ide. I am running 2.4.21-2-686. Using grub to boot my old 
> 2.4.20 does not help.
> 
> I had left the machine running for a few weeks, when I needed to shut it down. 
> After rebooting, my USB mouse is frozen upon reaching the KDM login screen. 
> 
> After a little poking around, I found that all sorts of oddball modules (for 
> which I don't have the hardware. serverworks?) had been loaded. After 
> manually rmmod-ing them, my mouse unfroze and all was happy. 

If you don't need them, add 'alias module off' (for each module) to
/etc/modutils/aliases and run update-modules.

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Re: Adding ipchains to kernel

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

Steven wrote:

> I'm recompiling my kernel - I forgot to add ipchains support last time.
>   The problem is that ipchains isn't listed in the menuconfig stuff.
> Where do I build it in?  I also searched .config for ipchains, but it
> wasn't found.  Thanks for any help.
> Steven

What kernel do you use? Using menuconfig with 2.4, ipchains is in: 

Main Menu =>
Networking options =>
IP: Netfilter Configuration =>
ipchains (2.2-style) support 

The option is called CONFIG_IP_NF_COMPAT_IPCHAINS.

best regards
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Toolchain to run 2.6 kernel?

[Viktor Rosenfeld]

Hi,

I build a 2.6.0-test1 kernel recently and, sure enough, it booted right
the first time.

One thing that's not working though is module support.  Eg `lsmod` gives
me some obscure error "QT_Module not supported" or something like that.
Since the module code has changed (once again) in 2.6, I guess I need
new utils to accompany the new kernel.  Is that in unstable already?
BTW, I'm on a G3 PowerMac.

TIA,
Viktor

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Re: Toolchain to run 2.6 kernel?

[Nathan Poznick]

Thus spake Viktor Rosenfeld:
> Since the module code has changed (once again) in 2.6, I guess I need
> new utils to accompany the new kernel.  Is that in unstable already?

module-init-tools

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Re: Hercules 9800 Pro and XFree under unstable.

[Nick Lidakis]

Rus Hughes wrote:

Sorry for not replying sooner but I've only just now had time to try it
out. I did exactly as you said, although they updated the driver on the
site to: Driver Version X4.2.0-2.9.13 on July 22 (I also downgraded to
the 2.4.21 kernel) and the fglrx module compiled and installed
perfectly.
I then ran the fglrxconfig and all was good.. until I tried to run
startX and got these errors :
(EE) fglrx(0): board is third party board
(EE) fglrx(0): [agp] unable to acquire AGP, error "xf86_ENODEV"
(EE) fglrx(0): cannot init AGP
 

I get the same error when it comes to the board being third party, but 
everything still works fine. I also recently upgraded to the July 22 
driver, and it works fine too. Seems they fixed Xx support.

I tried the kernel and fglrxconfig both with the default kernel agpgart
and the one that comes with the fglrx module and got the same error.
 

I don't know why you are getting that error. Did you compile agpgart 
inot the kernel or as a module? I compiled it as a module and used 
agp_try_unsuppoted=1 for my Intel 875PBZ motherboard. I coudn;t get it 
to load with that parameter. What motherboard are you using BTW?? I 
would try AGP 4x to be on the safe side.

Is this because I didn't get the March 28 driver like you recommended (I
cant find it on the ati site..) or is this something else?
My AGP slot is using AGP 8 in case that matters? I think I read a while
back somewhere there were issues with 8? Should I drop down to 4?
Below is my XFree86.0.log. Thanks very much for the help, I'm so close,
I can almost taste it :)
Rus

 

Let me know how it goes, and good luck.

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Re: Adding ipchains to kernel

[Steven]

On Saturday, July 26, 2003, at 09:06  AM, Andreas Janssen wrote:

Hello

Steven wrote:

I'm recompiling my kernel - I forgot to add ipchains support last 
time.
  The problem is that ipchains isn't listed in the menuconfig stuff.
Where do I build it in?  I also searched .config for ipchains, but it
wasn't found.  Thanks for any help.
Steven
What kernel do you use? Using menuconfig with 2.4, ipchains is in:
2.4.18

Main Menu =>
Networking options =>
IP: Netfilter Configuration =>
No such option
ipchains (2.2-style) support
Should I enable the Network packet filtering?  Is this the same thing?  
It says that it replaces ipchains...

The option is called CONFIG_IP_NF_COMPAT_IPCHAINS.

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Re: ATI releases update Linux drivers for Xfree 4.1, 4.2 and 4.3

[Nick Lidakis]

Paul Johnson wrote:

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Check out the release notes for the driver. They provide specific 
instructions on how to get the RPM install with Debian. I got it going 
ina  few minutes using alien and dpkg.
   

Ah, cool.  Any gotchas like kernel modules I'll have to deal with?

 

The 2 scripts will build and install the modules for you. Is that what 
you mean?

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Re: PDF viewing and such

[Brian Gonzales]

> There are several packages available to view PDF documents, among them
> xpdf, gs, kghostview and Adobe's Acrobat Reader. The last one is not
> available as an official package, but there is a package available from
> marillat.free.fr. Add
> 
> deb http://marillat.free.fr stable main
> 

What's the package's name?

Thanks.


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Re: PDF viewing and such

[Brian Gonzales]

> What's the package's name?
> 
> Thanks.
> 

Duh, sorry... acroread.


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Re: PDF viewing and such

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

Brian Gonzales wrote:

>> There are several packages available to view PDF documents, among them
>> xpdf, gs, kghostview and Adobe's Acrobat Reader. The last one is not
>> available as an official package, but there is a package available from
>> marillat.free.fr. Add
>> 
>> deb http://marillat.free.fr stable main
>> 
> 
> What's the package's name?

It's acroread.

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Re: Adding ipchains to kernel

[Vineet Kumar]

* Steven ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030726 09:44]:
> 
> On Saturday, July 26, 2003, at 09:06  AM, Andreas Janssen wrote:
> 
> >Hello
> >
> >Steven wrote:
> >
> >>I'm recompiling my kernel - I forgot to add ipchains support last 
> >>time.
> >>  The problem is that ipchains isn't listed in the menuconfig stuff.
> >>Where do I build it in?  I also searched .config for ipchains, but it
> >>wasn't found.  Thanks for any help.
> >>Steven
> >
> >What kernel do you use? Using menuconfig with 2.4, ipchains is in:
> 
> 2.4.18
> 
> >
> >Main Menu =>
> >Networking options =>
> >IP: Netfilter Configuration =>
> No such option
> >ipchains (2.2-style) support
> 
> Should I enable the Network packet filtering?  Is this the same thing?  
> It says that it replaces ipchains...

Yes.  The 2.4 kernel series infrastructure (called "netfilter")  is
vastly improved over the old 2.2 stuff.  The new tool to manipulate the
packet filtering is called iptables, which, while very similar to
ipchains, is also improved.  If you are not in an urgent situation to
get your packet filter up and running yesterday, I'd say it's worth
spending some time to learn about the differences in the new system to
see how you can probably improve your rule set by making it more
powerful and at the same time simpler.

ipchains is provided for backwards compatibility, but it's
(comparitively) limited.  AFAIK, it's just as good as using the old 2.2
kernel for your firewall.  Plus, since iptables has been out for so
long, I think if you ever need help with your ruleset, you're more
likely to find people with day-to-day familiarity with the new system,
which would give you greater access to more accurate, better (and more
recently) tested advice.

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Re: Adding ipchains to kernel

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

Steven wrote:

> On Saturday, July 26, 2003, at 09:06  AM, Andreas Janssen wrote:

>> Steven wrote:

>>> I'm recompiling my kernel - I forgot to add ipchains support last
>>> time.
>>>   The problem is that ipchains isn't listed in the menuconfig stuff.
>>> Where do I build it in?  I also searched .config for ipchains, but it
>>> wasn't found.  Thanks for any help.

>> What kernel do you use? Using menuconfig with 2.4, ipchains is in:
>> Main Menu =>
>> Networking options =>
>> IP: Netfilter Configuration =>

> No such option
> Should I enable the Network packet filtering?  Is this the same thing?
> It says that it replaces ipchains...

You must enable Network packet filtering (iptables replaces ipchains in
Kernel 2.4). If you do, the missing option "IP: Netfilter Configuration"
will be displayed and then you can also select ipchains for backward
compatibility.

best regards
Andreas Janssen

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Re: RedHat more debian like?

[Kevin Mark]

On Fri, 2003-07-25 at 01:32, Paul Johnson wrote:
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> On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 10:20:11PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > Since there's still only(?) GPL s/w in RH9, and they give it away
> > for free from FTP, why complain?
> 
> Mostly because their distro feels sloppy and more of a means to make a
> buck rather than the end in itself as Debian and other non-profit
> maintained distros feel.  And as we've seen, people who distribute
> Linux for profit aren't necissarily our friend.  

I know Libranet sells a debian-based distro and has paid support. I dont
know anything about them. Does anyone else have a opinion of them?
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Re: sound configuration in Debian

[Richard Lyons]

On Saturday 26 July 2003 13:57, Andrew McGuinness wrote:
[...]
> # adduser fred audio

I was hoping this was my problem too, but no.  Mine is not a 
soundblaster, it is woody on a thinkpad570, which I believe has a 
Cirrus Logic CS 4614 Chip (but I don't know as it's second user kit 
with no documentation).  I get the following error message - similar 
but different:

   Sound server informational message:
   Error while initializing the sound driver:
   device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such device)
   The sound server will continue, using the null output device.

Any hints where to start sctratching...?

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Re: on-screen keyboard

[Jesse Meyer]

On Sat, 26 Jul 2003, Jianan Huang wrote:

> I need a on-screen keyboard. I have used a very good one called 
> Click-and-Type, a free software but only runs on MS-Window. I have not been 
> able to find one in Debian Packages. Does any know of a good one for Linux?

Looking through apt-cache, I find this:

Package: xvkbd
[ ... snip ... ]
Description: software virtual keyboard for X11
 xvkbd is a virtual (graphical) keyboard program for X Window System
 which provides facility to enter characters onto other clients
 (softwares) by clicking on a keyboard displayed on the screen.  This
 may be used for systems without a hardware keyboard such as kiosk
 terminals or handheld devices.  This program also has facility to
 send characters specified as the command line option to another
 client.

Does that work for you?

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Re: sound configuration in Debian

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

Richard Lyons wrote:

> On Saturday 26 July 2003 13:57, Andrew McGuinness wrote:
> [...]
>> # adduser fred audio
> 
> I was hoping this was my problem too, but no.  Mine is not a
> soundblaster, it is woody on a thinkpad570, which I believe has a
> Cirrus Logic CS 4614 Chip (but I don't know as it's second user kit
> with no documentation).  I get the following error message - similar
> but different:
> 
>Sound server informational message:
>Error while initializing the sound driver:
>device /dev/dsp can't be opened (No such device)
>The sound server will continue, using the null output device.
> 
> Any hints where to start sctratching...?

Check if the driver for your sound card is loaded. There seems to be a
driver calles cs46xx in the kernel as well as an alsa driver called
snd-card-cs461x.

Go here for more info:


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Re: sound configuration in Debian

[Paul Dersey]

On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 06:23:56PM +0100, Richard Lyons wrote:
> On Saturday 26 July 2003 13:57, Andrew McGuinness wrote:
> [...]
> > # adduser fred audio
> 
> I was hoping this was my problem too, but no.  Mine is not a 
> soundblaster, it is woody on a thinkpad570, which I believe has a 
> Cirrus Logic CS 4614 Chip (but I don't know as it's second user kit 
> with no documentation).  I get the following error message - similar 
> but different:
> 

I'm guessing you don't have the appropriate driver module loaded (or
built into the kernel).  Try doing a 'modprobe cs46xx' and if that works
add cs46xx to /etc/modules so it will load each time you boot.  Also
add yourself to the audio group as above.

Paul


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emacs segmentation faults

[Rudy Gevaert]

Hi,

I just installed emacs on a woody system.  When I do a little bit of
editing it crashes with:

Fatal error (11).Segmentation fault


How can I get more information to see what the problem is?

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GNOME broken in Sarge?

[Marc Shapiro]

I just upgraded from Woody to Sarge.

I boot to a command line and use startx to run X.  I have been running 
Gnome, but, since the upgrade, startx is now loading KDE.  If I try to 
run gnome-session to run Gnome I get the following error:

	(gnome-session:535): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display

I ran 'dpkg -l gnome*' to see what was installed and found a crazy mix 
of gnome 1.4 gnome 2.2 and gnome 2.3 files installed.  Also, several 
packages had been removed, and not upgraded.  As near as I can tell, 
this is a dependancey problem:  gnome-desktop-data and gnome-panel-data 
conflict with gnome-core (<1.5) and gnome-help (<1.5) but the only 
versions of gnome-core in testing are 1.4.x.  I do not see gnome-help in 
either testing, or unstable and the gnome-core in unstable seems to be a 
very different animal and I do not know if this is what I need, or not. 
 Is this a known problem and is there a workaround?

Is there any way to get back my gnome1.4 until this is corrected?

Also, since the upgrade, on booting up I received the following error 
just after I get my login prompt:

	spurious 5259A interrupt: IRQ7

Any help will be appreciated.

Marc

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Re: Wanted to build: bare minimum Debian system

[Micha Feigin]

On Fri, 2003-07-25 at 15:55, Kirk Strauser wrote:
> At 2003-07-25T03:16:19Z, Ron Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Hope you've got 192MB swap (16x RAM).
> 
> Actually, I have 512MB swap (the drive was migrated from a Webplayer that
> I'd hacked).
> 
> > Imagine how fast that, say, "apt-get update" is going to be.
> 
> You can't.  Really.  It's that bad.
> 
> > Maybe with an XFree 3.3.6 and twm.
> 
> *Thin* client.  As in, *no* clients running locally.
> 
> >> Is the 2.2.x series significantly smaller?
> 
> > Yes.
> 
> Good.  That's a nice starting point.
> 
> >> Is Debian even reasonable on this tiny box, or should I be looking at a
> >> slimmer distribution?  If so, any suggestions?
> 
> > Slink may be more appropriate.
> 
> Mmmm  I'd rather use somewhat-new-but-very-little than
> ancient-but-small.
> 
> > That's a joke, right?  How about Evo and Pan while you're at it?
> 
> That's the idea.

mozilla takes about 24M with nothing loaded and evolution somewhere
around 22M. They are both serious memory hoggers so you can mostly
forget about running them localy. Maybe if you run them remote since you
said you only wanted it as an X terminal (I am not refering to an
xterm), no local window manager or programs (x --querry ). Its
pushing it, and I don't know how much memory it would take but maybe ...
As a command line, look into running busybox instead of the regular bash
etc, and skip the getty for login.
You could try and run the X terminal standalone with no command line to
save some memory.
a 2.2 kernel completly stripped could work. I worked with a mixed
2.2/2.4 embeded kernel and it did start up at around 1 or 2 megs ram
with busybox as a command line (don't remember exactly), a custom
inittab etc, but it takes a lot of work. Also look at the strip kernel
options for embeded kernels for 2.6. I don't know how much memory it
saves though.
You should look at something in the embeded direction, I think debian
has something in that direction but I don't know. I takes a lot of
configuration if you are up for, and still I really doubt that you will
be able to do much usefull work localy since vim alone takes around 3 M,
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Re: PDF viewing and such

[Elimar Riesebieter]

On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 the mental interface of 
Paul Johnson told:

> On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 02:12:46PM -0400, Aaron wrote:
> > I am wondering what everyone here uses to view PDF files in Linux
> > these days? I do use text2pdf for instances where I only care about
> > the textual content, but copying the PDF to OS X or Windows to view it
> > in Reader is getting cumbersome. Recommendations?
> 
> I usually use KGhostView.

On a tty fbgs works well ;-)

apt-get install fbi

Ciao

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Re: Wanted to build: bare minimum Debian system

[Kirk Strauser]

At 2003-07-26T19:03:09Z, Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Fri, 2003-07-25 at 15:55, Kirk Strauser wrote:

>> *Thin* client.  As in, *no* clients running locally.

> mozilla takes about 24M with nothing loaded and evolution somewhere around
> 22M.

For clarity's sake, *no* clients will be run on the laptop.  I anticipate
using xdm to log into a remote X display and run everything on a much
beefier machine elsewhere; only the physical display will be running on the
laptop.

> As a command line, look into running busybox instead of the regular bash
> etc, and skip the getty for login.

Interesting idea, thanks!

> You could try and run the X terminal standalone with no command line to
> save some memory.

> a 2.2 kernel completly stripped could work. I worked with a mixed 2.2/2.4
> embeded kernel and it did start up at around 1 or 2 megs ram with busybox
> as a command line (don't remember exactly), a custom inittab etc, but it
> takes a lot of work.

That certainly sounds promising.  I'll take a look at that.

> Also look at the strip kernel options for embeded kernels for 2.6. I don't
> know how much memory it saves though.  You should look at something in the
> embeded direction, I think debian has something in that direction but I
> don't know. I takes a lot of configuration if you are up for, and still I
> really doubt that you will be able to do much usefull work localy since
> vim alone takes around 3 M, gvim 4.5M.

Yep.  It'll be nothing more than a display unit.
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Re: PDF viewing and such

[Nathan Poznick]

> > On Fri, Jul 25, 2003 at 02:12:46PM -0400, Aaron wrote:
> > > I am wondering what everyone here uses to view PDF files in Linux
> > > these days? I do use text2pdf for instances where I only care about
> > > the textual content, but copying the PDF to OS X or Windows to view it
> > > in Reader is getting cumbersome. Recommendations?

Yet another solution is to use Adobe's Acrobat Reader for Linux.
http://download.adobe.com/pub/adobe/acrobatreader/unix/5.x/linux-507.tar.gz

Alternatively, you can add one of the following lines to your
/etc/apt/source.list (depending on what you're running), and then
apt-get update; apt-get install acroread
(There's also an acroread-plugin package so you can view PDF's in
Mozilla / Konq / Old Netscape)

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deb http://marillat.free.fr/ testing main
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Re: sqwebmail vs. squirrelmail

[Jeremy Gaddis]

On Sat, 2003-07-26 at 03:18, Johnny wrote:
> I've been looking at sqwebmail and squirrelmail as possible candidates for
> setting up our webmail interface on top of qmail. Does anyone have a
> recommendation one way or the other? (preferably with some reasons why)

sqwebmail.  performance.

sqwebmail is compiled c and reads messages directly from the maildirs
on the disk.  squirrelmail is php and requires connecting to an imap
server, so there's more overhead involved with it.

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Re: RedHat more debian like?

[Andrew J. Montalenti]

> I know Libranet sells a debian-based distro and has paid support. I
dont
> know anything about them. Does anyone else have a opinion of them?
> -Kev

Kevin,

I run Libranet 2.8.  I am happy with my purchase.

Their distro is fully compatible with official Debian repositories, and
is based on testing (sarge).  The two shipped CDs contain all the
important apps including OpenOffice/Evolution/Mozilla/Gaim (which saves
a lot of time getting a fully usable system up-and-running without net
access).

Their installer is also very quick and easy and does a very good job of
hardware detection and installation of the necessary modules and such.

I thought I'd end up disliking Libranet and go back to "pure" Debian. 
But I was amazed at how little their distro preaches this or that method
of doing things.  They don't rely on Gnome or KDE or any other window
manager/desktop environment.  They default to IceWM, but let you choose
whatever you want.  They don't have any strange deviations from the
typical Debian way of doing things, which is key.

At this point, I don't really feel like I'm running "Libranet" anymore
what with the pinning/upgrading I've done to unstable.  I feel like I'm
running Debian, but I was just saved the trouble of setting up my
hardware and installing everything from scratch.  Their Xadminmenu is
"just another app" I use if I ever want to install something off the
Libranet CD or use some of their other provided shortcuts.  And their
support forums/mailing list are full of helpful and friendly people ;)

In a sense, I wish I had Libranet back when I was setting up Debian on
my old computer 2 years ago or so.  But on the other hand, it was a
learning experience back then.  I feel fine using Libranet now because
that initial setup is just a chore.  I want to get to coding ;)

Overall, my opinion of Libranet is positive.  That said, I wish they
would release ISOs of their distro on their website (not the stripped
down "classic edition").  I would still pay them, but I guess others
wouldn't.

Nonetheless, I think Libra's distro is much more in line with basic open
source principles than the more dumbed-down distros based on Debian.

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Re: sound configuration in Debian

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On Saturday 26 July 2003 09:23 am, Richard Lyons wrote:
> On Saturday 26 July 2003 13:57, Andrew McGuinness wrote:
> [...]
>
> > # adduser fred audio
>
> I was hoping this was my problem too, but no.  Mine is not a
> soundblaster, it is woody on a thinkpad570, which I believe has a
> Cirrus Logic CS 4614 Chip (but I don't know as it's second user kit
> with no documentation).  

'lspci' will give you any info on whats attched to the pci bus. If your 
sound isn't on an ISA bus this will give you the chipset info.
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Request for Hardware Compatability Resources.

[Dan Hunt]

I have been looking for resources to evaluate two motherboards,
for my main system, where stable is the main feature / requirement, 
and quality audio output next, performance / cutting edge features
are a distant third. 

ASUS A7S333-WA with a 1800+ V.S. ASUS A7V8X-X something faster.
These motherboards alone are priced around $100.00 Canadian, 
my spending limit.

How would you compare these two for use with Debian. I have searched the
archives using google, with the keywords debian and "model-#". The lucky
board will be very Microsoft Windows(TM) free. It has been suggested 
that I look at the "chip sets" and see if they are supported in the 
Debian kernel. Where do I look to find that information? 
Would one grep in the kernel source? The Asus A7S333-WA has
a SiS745 chiip set and the Asus A7V8x-x has a VIA KT400. 

Please post the URL of your favorite hardware information source for
these two motherboards / chip sets so the next fellow who google's for
Debian and ASUS will find some good information to make a purchase.

With kind regards,
Dan Hunt
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Re: dpkg/apt-get Broken

[Wim De Smet]

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 14:52:46 -0700 (PDT)
Steven Schlansker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm having trouble configuring packages.  When they are installed, it
> skips the configuration.  When I run dpkg-reconfigure, it returns
> immediately.  What should I do about this? Thanks.
> Steven Schlansker
> 

Try reconfiguring debconf to ask you more questions:
dpkg-reconfigure debconf

That is probably where the problem is.

greets,
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Re: ls in color

[Robin Gerard]

On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 06:59:14PM +0800, Johnny wrote:
> As of what I saw in slackware, ls is capable of displaying itz results in
> color. But up till what I have seen in debian, the ls in debian seems to be
> black and white. Can anyone tell me how to turn the color option on? btw
> ls --color=auto does not work
> 
with this .bashrc the results of "ls |less" are too coloured.

#--- 
# enable color support of ls and also add handy aliases
#---

alias ls='ls -hF --color'  # add colors for filetype recognition
alias ll='ls -la |less '
alias la='ls -A'
#   alias l='ls -CF'
alias l='ls | less'
#   alias dir='ls --color=auto --format=vertical'
#   alias vdir='ls --color=auto --format=long'

#-
# tailoring 'less'
#-
   export PAGER=less
   export LESSCHARSET='latin1'
   export LESS='-i -w  -z-4 -g -M -X -F -R -P%t?f%f:stdin .?pb%pb\%:?lbLine 
%lb:?bbByte %bb:-...'
 

man less, explain the environment variables LESSCHARSET and LESS 

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reiser kernel support?

[hashi]

I just installed the woody version of reiserfsprogs onto my woody system.
Afterward,

mkreiserfs /devhdc1

seemed to have created the file system OK (but suspiciously quickly
for a 120G partition), but when I tried to mount it I was informed that

mount: fs type reiser not supported by kernel

Now I presume that this means that I have failed to install reiser support
for the kernel -- but mkreiserfs did not seem to have any relevand
dependencies.  Just what *do* I have to install to get the necessary
kernel support?

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Re: sound configuration in Debian

[Richard Lyons]

Thanks guys.  Andreas, Greg, and Paul: all your advice was good.  
Added the module and all is sunshine!

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automount permissions problem

[Neal Lippman]

Here's my problem, maybe someone can help. I have a usb media reader
than handles smartmedia, compact flash, etc. It works fine in the sense
of being able to put media into it and mount the media, using the
usb-storage module, and copy files off the media. The devices look like
scsi disk drives, as expected with the use of usb-storage.

It would be ideal to be able to use autofs to mount these drives, as I
do for my dvd and cdrw drives, so I added the appropriate entries into
auto.mount, the control file for my /mount automount directory. It looks
like this:

# Automount map file
# 6/4/02 nl
#
#format: 
# key [ -mount-options-separated-by-comma ] location
dvd -fstype=iso9660,ro,nosuid,nodev,exec,user   :/dev/dvd
cdrw-fstype=iso9660,ro,nosuid,nodev,exec,user   :/dev/cdrw
floppy  -fstype=vfat,nosuid,noauto,user,nodev,unhide:/dev/floppy
cf  -fstype=vfat,ro,nosuid,noauto,user  :/dev/cf
sm  -fstype=vfat,ro,nosuid,noauto,user  :/dev/sm

/dev/cf and /dev/sm are symlinks to /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1.

The media cards automount all right, but the protections on the
directories created by autofs is rwxr--r--, which means I cannot cd into
or list the files in subdirectories on the media unless I become root,
which is not ideal. And that's the problem.

I don't have this problem with automounted cd's or dvd's - the
protection mask for those is rwxr-xr-x, so all works fine.

Is there something I should have done in the auto.mount file? Is this
something about the way the cf and sm cards work (they are formatted in
a digital camera, so I don't really have any control over how various
bits are set in the filesystem.

Any thoughts/help appreciated.

Thanks.
nl



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Re: OT: Four leads = 10Mbit? (was: Network speed)

[David Goodenough]

On Thursday 24 July 2003 16:00, Jamin W. Collins wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 11:50:48AM -0300, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> wrote:
> > >If it's running at 10Mbit, it will never be full duplex.  If you're
> > >running at 100, then it could be full or half.  If your network
> > >cables only have four leads connected, you're using 10.
> >
> > I?ve noticed that some of the most recent 100Mbit cards I've been
> > buying (Genius low end cards, model GF100TXR4) have only four
> > connection points on the RJ45 slot. However, the cards *do* work at
> > 100Mbits. Anybody with the technical knowledge on the subject could
> > please explain that? Why do 3Coms have all 8 leads, while low-end use
> > only 4? how does it affect the quality of connection?  Are all 8 leads
> > really used?
>
> No, only 4 leads are needed for both 10 and 100 Mbit connections:
>
>http://www.makeitsimple.com/how-to/dyi_crossover.htm
>
> --
> Jamin W. Collins
>
> Linux is not The Answer. Yes is the answer. Linux is The Question. - Neo

The other 4 are used for power over ethernet, 802.11af.  It is only gigabit
ethernet that uses all four pairs for data.

David


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Re: reiser kernel support?

[Seneca]

On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 05:29:36PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>   mount: fs type reiser not supported by kernel
> 
> Now I presume that this means that I have failed to install reiser support
> for the kernel -- but mkreiserfs did not seem to have any relevand
> dependencies.  Just what *do* I have to install to get the necessary
> kernel support?

Recompile the kernel.  There is a list of filesystems that you can
compile support for, either as a module or directly.  If you are going
to use reiserfs on your root filesystem, you should compile it into the
kernel itself, instead of as a module.

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Re: reiser kernel support?

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[making reiserfs partition]

> mount: fs type reiser not supported by kernel
> 
> Now I presume that this means that I have failed to install reiser
> support for the kernel -- but mkreiserfs did not seem to have any
> relevand
> dependencies.  Just what *do* I have to install to get the necessary
> kernel support?

Do you use Kernel 2.2 or 2.4? As far as I know, only 2.4 Kernel images in
Debian have ReiserFS support. Try "modprobe reiserfs" to see if the
driver can be found.

best regards
Andreas Janssen

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Re: Toolchain to run 2.6 kernel?

[eamon-roque]

Hi!

You could just pick up the newest version of module-init-tools from
ftp.kernel.org, the address is listed in the "Changes" text that comes
with the kernel source...

HTH

Eamon Roque.
Thus spake Viktor Rosenfeld:
> Since the module code has changed (once again) in 2.6, I guess I need
> new utils to accompany the new kernel.  Is that in unstable already?

module-init-tools

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Re: automount permissions problem

[Shawn Lamson]

On Sat, July 26 at  5:49 PM EDT
Neal Lippman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>Here's my problem, maybe someone can help. I have a usb media reader
>than handles smartmedia, compact flash, etc. It works fine in the sense
>of being able to put media into it and mount the media, using the
>usb-storage module, and copy files off the media. The devices look like
>scsi disk drives, as expected with the use of usb-storage.
>
>It would be ideal to be able to use autofs to mount these drives, as I
>do for my dvd and cdrw drives, so I added the appropriate entries into
>auto.mount, the control file for my /mount automount directory. It
>looks like this:
>
># Automount map file
># 6/4/02 nl
>#
>#format: 
># key [ -mount-options-separated-by-comma ] location
>dvd-fstype=iso9660,ro,nosuid,nodev,exec,user   :/dev/dvd
>cdrw   -fstype=iso9660,ro,nosuid,nodev,exec,user   :/dev/cdrw
>floppy -fstype=vfat,nosuid,noauto,user,nodev,unhide:/dev/floppy
>cf -fstype=vfat,ro,nosuid,noauto,user  :/dev/cf
>sm -fstype=vfat,ro,nosuid,noauto,user  :/dev/sm
>
>/dev/cf and /dev/sm are symlinks to /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1.
>
>The media cards automount all right, but the protections on the
>directories created by autofs is rwxr--r--, which means I cannot cd
>into or list the files in subdirectories on the media unless I become
>root, which is not ideal. And that's the problem.
>
>I don't have this problem with automounted cd's or dvd's - the
>protection mask for those is rwxr-xr-x, so all works fine.
>
>Is there something I should have done in the auto.mount file? Is this
>something about the way the cf and sm cards work (they are formatted in
>a digital camera, so I don't really have any control over how various
>bits are set in the filesystem.
>
>Any thoughts/help appreciated.

I don't use automount but to get proper permissions for my vfat fs's i
use this type or entry in fstab
/dev/hdb1   /mnt/win98  vfatdefaults,gid=6,umask=002

then as long as I am in group 6 ( disk on my box ) I have read access...
The key is the umask portion and equates to permissions of 775 or
rwxrwxr-x in case you aren't familiar with umask.

HTH,

Shawn Lamson
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Re: reiser kernel support?

[eamon-roque]

Hi,
[aggregious snip]
> Just what *do* I have to install to get the 
> necessarykernel support?

'mkreiserfs' doesn't require kernel support for the file system type,
you're not 'working' with it, just creating it.

You need to load the module for reiserfs to mount the file system. With
'modconf' you should be able to find the right module.

HTH

Eamon Roque.


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'Non-empty' directory deletion.

[Adam Bogacki]

Hi, I'm trying to delete

/home/adam/.enlightenment/themes/FossilsOfTheMachines

but I can't get 'rmdir' to work on a full directory. Neither

rmdir -r [filename]
rmdir s [filename] /or/
rmdir --ignore-non-empty-directory [filename]
... work.

What am I missing here ?

Adam Bogacki,
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Re: automount permissions problem

[Neal Lippman]

On Sat, 2003-07-26 at 18:06, Shawn Lamson wrote:
> On Sat, July 26 at  5:49 PM EDT
> Neal Lippman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> I don't use automount but to get proper permissions for my vfat fs's i
> use this type or entry in fstab
> /dev/hdb1   /mnt/win98  vfatdefaults,gid=6,umask=002
> 
> then as long as I am in group 6 ( disk on my box ) I have read access...
> The key is the umask portion and equates to permissions of 775 or
> rwxrwxr-x in case you aren't familiar with umask.
> 


Ah...that makes sense. I will review mount options; I should be able to
include any options mount accepts in the auto.mount file...hopefully
this will work.

nl


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Re: Can't enable DMA

[Shyamal Prasad]

"Andrew" == Andrew McGuinness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Andrew> If you look at the pci_ids.h for 2.4.18, you can see that
Andrew> there is an id for the VT8233, which it seems you have
Andrew> with the KT266, but not for the VT8235, which Aaron has
Andrew> with is KT266A and I have with my KM266.

Andrew> http://lxr.linux.no/source/include/linux/pci_ids.h?v=2.4.18#L961

Yes. Now I have to figure out why my motherboard is reported as KT266
when the manufacturer insists in all documentation that it is really a
KT266A based board ;-)

Cheers!
Shyamal


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WindowMaker 'applications' menu SNAFU ...

[Adam Bogacki]

Sorry for the WWII jargon but I've installed some themes into

~/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/Themes

but the 'applications' menu does not show any. In fact it has not been
working at all in this WM installation, but has not troubled me until now.
Any ideas out there ?

Adam Bogacki,
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Re: SUCCESS compiling iscan

[Ross Boylan]

Epson Kowa released a 1.5.2 version of their iscan scanner software
compiled with gcc 3.2 recently (it has some binaries that aren't free,
and source that is).  I had some trouble getting it to
work, but just solved the last problem.

Note also that libgtk1.2-dev is required.

Here's a copy of my message about it:

I am happy to report complete success, thanks to help from epson kowa.
The solution could also be guessed from a recent post to this list
[referring to the bulletin board at
http://www.epkowa.co.jp/cgi-bin/iscan/e_bbs/bbs.cgi] .

In sane.d/dll.conf I added an entry for "epkowa".  I also commented
out "epson", but that may not be necessary.

Then I created sane.d/epkowa.conf (by copying my existing epson.conf).

Then everything worked.  iscan runs on its own and as a gimp plugin.
Although some people have reported the scan results are blank, mine
are fine.

Since I installed iscan in a non-standard location I had to set up
some symlinks from /usr/lib/sane to get this to work, and of course
the gimp plugin needs a symlink to activate it.

On Sat, Jun 21, 2003 at 05:37:31PM -0400, Matthew Kenworthy wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I read your message on linux.debian.user and I'm having the same
> problems as you - if you are trying to run the epson perfection scanner
> 1260, though, I've found that the latest version of sane and xsane
> >1.0.9 seem to run the scanner quite nicely - I'd still like to get the
> >iscan program compiled, though, so if you've had any succe4ss, I'd love
> >to hear it!
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Matt
> 
> 


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Re: 'Non-empty' directory deletion.

[Richard Lyons]

On Sunday 27 July 2003 01:01, Adam Bogacki wrote:
> Hi, I'm trying to delete
>
> /home/adam/.enlightenment/themes/FossilsOfTheMachines
>
> but I can't get 'rmdir' to work on a full directory. Neither
>
> rmdir -r [filename]
> rmdir s [filename] /or/
> rmdir --ignore-non-empty-directory [filename]
>
> ... work.
>
> What am I missing here ?
>

Simply rm -R [directory] will remove the files and the directory, 
IIRC.

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Re: reiser kernel support?

[Shyamal Prasad]

"hashi" == hashi  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

hashi> I was informed that

hashi>  mount: fs type reiser not supported by kernel

hashi> Now I presume that this means that I have failed to install
hashi> reiser support for the kernel -- but mkreiserfs did not
hashi> seem to have any relevand dependencies.  Just what *do* I
hashi> have to install to get the necessary kernel support?

What kernel are you using? 

With the 2.4.18-{arch} kernels in Woody you will need to 'modprobe
reiserfs' before you can mount if your system is already running. It
is not a bad idea to add a line with 'reiserfs' in /etc/modules if you
are not booting from a reiserfs file system (the initrd image should
allow you too boot from such a file system, I've never done it though,
being partial to ext3).

The 2.2.x kernels in the Woody install series do not support
reiserfs. Go ahead and install 2.4.18 for your processor (apt-get
install kernel-image-2.4.18-{arch} should do it for you, where {arch}
is your architecture).

The bf2.4 kernel has it built in (and I suppose you are not running it
since you can't mount).

Cheers!
Shyamal


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DISK BOOT FAILURE

[Debian User]

i am unable to boot from /dev/hda. i have a boot disk and that worked.
i am trying to figure out why i cannot boot from the hard drive.
i have compaired this to a machine that boots but i cannot figure 
out what is wrong. help!!

my root filesystem looks like:

server:/# ls
backuphda1  bin   dev initrd  mnt   sbinvar
backuphda2  boot  etc initrd.img  opt   server.cfg  vmlinuz
backuphda3  cdrom floppy  lib proc  tmp vmlinuz.old
backuphda5  core.287  homelost+found  root  usr

my boot file system looks like:

server:/boot# ls -l
total 5074
-rw-r--r--1 root root   272725 Jan 31 08:02 System.map-
2.2.20
-rw-r--r--1 root root   407266 Apr 14  2002 System.map-
2.4.18-586tsc
-rw-r--r--1 root root 7988 Apr 13  2002 boot-bmp.b
-rw-r--r--1 root root 6204 Apr 13  2002 boot-compat.b
-rw-r--r--1 root root 7964 Apr 13  2002 boot-menu.b
-rw-r--r--1 root root 6204 Apr 13  2002 boot-text.b
-rw-r--r--1 root root  512 Jan 31 08:37 boot.0300
lrwxrwxrwx1 root root   11 Jan 31 08:36 boot.b -> 
boot-menu.b
-rw-r--r--1 root root  728 Apr 13  2002 chain.b
-rw-r--r--1 root root14979 Jan 31 08:02 config-2.2.20
-rw-r--r--1 root root37091 Apr 13  2002 config-2.
4.18-586tsc
-rw-r--r--1 root root  2703360 Feb  1 09:43 initrd.img-
2.4.18-586tsc
drwx--2 root root12288 Jan 31 07:56 lost+found
-rw---1 root root49664 Feb  1 09:44 map
-rw-r--r--1 root root  656 Apr 13  2002 os2_d.b
-rw-r--r--1 root root  1005181 Jan 31 08:02 vmlinuz-2.2.20
-rw-r--r--1 root root   626776 Apr 14  2002 vmlinuz-2.
4.18-586tsc


# /etc/fstab: static file system information.
#
#   

/dev/hda3   /   ext2errors=remount-ro   0 
1
/dev/hda6   noneswapsw  0 
0
proc/proc   procdefaults0 
0
/dev/fd0/floppy autouser,noauto 0 
0
/dev/cdrom  /cdrom  iso9660 ro,user,noauto  0 
0
/dev/hda1   /boot   ext2defaults0 
2
/dev/hda2   /home   ext2defaults0 
2
/dev/hda5   /usrext2defaults0 
2
/dev/hdc1   /backuphda1 ext2defaults0 
0
/dev/hdc2   /backuphda2 ext2defaults0 
0
/dev/hdc3   /backuphda3 ext2defaults0 
0
/dev/hdc5   /backuphda5 ext2defaults0 
0


when i try to mount to the /dev/hdc drive, i get this error:

server:/boot# mount -a
mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc1,
   or too many mounted file systems
   (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use
   ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?)
mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc2,
   or too many mounted file systems
   (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use
   ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?)
mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc3,
   or too many mounted file systems
   (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use
   ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?)
mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc5,
   or too many mounted file systems
   (could this be the IDE device where you in fact use
   ide-scsi so that sr0 or sda or so is needed?)











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Patch to add resolution information to iscan

[Ross Boylan]

I have attached a patch so that iscan, scanning software for Epson
scanners from Epson Kowa, will record the scanning resolution when
saving .png files.  Without this, some programs (e.g., hylafax) have
to assume a resolution, and can be terribly wrong.  (I was inspired to
do this because only the lower left corner of my 400 dpi scans was
going out, since they were assumed to be postscript standard 72dpi).

I'm not sure if all versions of libpng support pHYS; if not, it might
be good to protect the code with some appropriate ifdef's.  I had
libpng10-dev (aka libpng2) as my development library when I compiled
with gcc 3.3.

Despite the name, I have used and applied the patch to iscan 1.5.2,
gcc 3.2 version.  I originally developed it against 1.5.1.

I (c) in my name and release it under GNU Public License v2 or later;
I believe this is the same license as the software it is  patching,
which is available at
http://www.epkowa.co.jp/english/linux_e/lsd_e.html.

Ross Boylan


P.S. There are some other changes I'd like to make, like having iscan
remember whether you selected png or pnm, and having it remember what
directory you are in.  I think that requires learning about gtk
preferences, though.


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Re: ATI releases update Linux drivers for Xfree 4.1, 4.2 and 4.3

[Haralambos Geortgilakis]

Hiyall & Nick & Paul,

who typed


Nick Lidakis wrote:
Paul Johnson wrote:

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 01:28:10PM -0500, Nick Lidakis wrote:


Check out the release notes for the driver. They provide specific 
instructions on how to get the RPM install with Debian. I got it 
going ina few minutes using alien and dpkg.

Ah, cool. Any gotchas like kernel modules I'll have to deal with?



The 2 scripts will build and install the modules for you. Is that what 
you mean?


I found the following did the trick for me , on my ATI 9500 Pro, in a 
Abit nForce2 board.

http://www.wlug.org.nz/RadeonOnNforce

Also, this is a goldmine for Tuxians.

http://www.rage3d.com/board/forumdisplay.php?s=c3db0e041cf2111456eb7a51bd0926c2&forumid=61

*HTH*

Greek Geek :-)

/A man who turns green has eschewed protein./







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Re: DISK BOOT FAILURE

[Kevin Mark]

On Sat, 2003-07-26 at 17:51, Debian User wrote:
> i am unable to boot from /dev/hda.
What error? Lilo error? 
>  i have a boot disk and that worked.
I saw from below -- which kernel does it boot? Lilo, grub? have you
tried re-lilo-ing?
> i am trying to figure out why i cannot boot from the hard drive.
> i have compaired this to a machine that boots but i cannot figure 
> out what is wrong. help!!
> 
> my root filesystem looks like:

> my boot file system looks like:
 
ok 2 kernels 2.2.x , 2.4.x. Did you have this problem with 2.4.x ever
since you changed? or is this a new problem?
> when i try to mount to the /dev/hdc drive, 
have you tried to mount them by hand?

The list needs info! Specific error message are best. 
-Kev


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Re: automount permissions problem

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

Shawn Lamson wrote:

> On Sat, July 26 at  5:49 PM EDT
> Neal Lippman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[AutoFS problem]

> I don't use automount but to get proper permissions for my vfat fs's i
> use this type or entry in fstab
> /dev/hdb1   /mnt/win98  vfatdefaults,gid=6,umask=002
> 
> then as long as I am in group 6 ( disk on my box ) I have read access...
> The key is the umask portion and equates to permissions of 775 or
> rwxrwxr-x in case you aren't familiar with umask.

I hope you know that being in the disk group as a user can be a severe
security risk.It allows you direct read/write access to all your IDE and
SCSI hard disk (for example with dd). If you are in group disk, the
filesystem mechanisms that protect you from accidentially destroying your
system can become useless.

best regards
Andreas Janssen

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Re: DISK BOOT FAILURE

[Debian User]

after bios, i think lilo is not ever run. the bios displays the system 
configuration then the error message:

DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER

my boot sequence is A,C.

the boot floopy i am using is 2.2.20. the machine was booting 2.4.
18 ...  for months before this problem occured. apparently, i never 
made a boto disk for the 2.4.18 kernel.

i have not tried re-lilo-ing b/c i am unsure if the problem is a 
bad lilo or not. could this be the problem?

At 26 July 2003, Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>On Sat, 2003-07-26 at 17:51, Debian User wrote:
>> i am unable to boot from /dev/hda.
>What error? Lilo error? 
>>  i have a boot disk and that worked.
>I saw from below -- which kernel does it boot? Lilo, grub? have you
>tried re-lilo-ing?
>> i am trying to figure out why i cannot boot from the hard drive.
>> i have compaired this to a machine that boots but i cannot figure 
>> out what is wrong. help!!
>> 
>> my root filesystem looks like:
>
>> my boot file system looks like:
> 
>ok 2 kernels 2.2.x , 2.4.x. Did you have this problem with 2.4.x ever
>since you changed? or is this a new problem?
>> when i try to mount to the /dev/hdc drive, 
>have you tried to mount them by hand?
>
>The list needs info! Specific error message are best. 
>-Kev
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Re: DISK BOOT FAILURE

[Debian User]

i have with no success. 

fdisk /dev/hdc1 does not see the device. i think there may be two 
problems ... the boot on /dev/hda and not seeing the second drive 
/dev/hdc



>> when i try to mount to the /dev/hdc drive, 
>have you tried to mount them by hand?
>
>The list needs info! Specific error message are best. 
>-Kev
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Re: Request for Hardware Compatability Resources.

[Andrew McGuinness]

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Dan Hunt wrote:
| I have been looking for resources to evaluate two motherboards,
| for my main system, where stable is the main feature / requirement,
| and quality audio output next, performance / cutting edge features
| are a distant third.
|
| ASUS A7S333-WA with a 1800+ V.S. ASUS A7V8X-X something faster.
| These motherboards alone are priced around $100.00 Canadian,
| my spending limit.
|
| How would you compare these two for use with Debian. I have searched the
| archives using google, with the keywords debian and "model-#". The lucky
| board will be very Microsoft Windows(TM) free. It has been suggested
| that I look at the "chip sets" and see if they are supported in the
| Debian kernel. Where do I look to find that information?
| Would one grep in the kernel source? The Asus A7S333-WA has
| a SiS745 chiip set and the Asus A7V8x-x has a VIA KT400.
|
The detailed spec for the A7V8X-X is at:
http://www.asus.com/prog/spec.asp?m=A7V8X-X&langs=01
Northbridge is VIA KT400
Southbridge is VIA VT8235
The Northbridge handles the memory and the AGP, and integrated graphics
if any (not applicable in this case).  The Southbridge handles most
other interfaces: IDE, USB, integrated sound,network etc.etc.
These chips are supported by the latest stable kernels.  Grepping
through the kernel source as you suggest is workable, but difficult to
understand.  Looking through the kernel changelogs for recent releases
is probably more useful.  Searching through the Linux Kernel Mailing
List archives is also worthwhile.
If you look in the current thread "Can't enable DMA" theres some more
info on the VT8235 support.
If you're planning on running Debian stable with kit this new, you'll
have to use a newer kernel, probably by compiling it yourself.  There's
tons of documentation on doing this, and it's (unexpectedly) the easiest
bit of stable to replace, as it doesn't break any dependencies either way.
The equivalent asus page for the A7S333
http://www.asus.com/prog/spec.asp?m=A7S333
lists c-media 8738 audio, as well as the SiS745
Digging in the kernel source, the SiS745 is supported by the agp module,
and by the ide module.  The ide support is not in 2.4.20, but is in
2.4.22pre5 which I am using.  (I don't know if it's in 2.4.21 because I
don't have it handy and http://lxr.linux.no/ doesn't have that yet).
The ide support is in sis5513.c (moved from drivers/ide/ in 2.4.20 to
drivers/ide/pci/ in 2.4.22pre5)  The agp support is in
drivers/char/agp/agpgart_be.c  The c-media 8738 audio is supported by
OSS (it's listed in Configure.help).
So that looks much the same:  the main motherboard features are
supported, but only in the most recent stable kernel, or possibly only
in a pre-release of the next stable kernel (but that should be a stable
release in a couple of weeks).
I have a motherboard with the VIA 8235 southbridge, and all its
components are working: USB2, UDMA133, audio, ethernet (uses the
via-rhine driver).  I have no experience of an SiS-based motherboard.
In general, VIA seem to give slightly more help to linux developers than
SiS do, at least recently.
| Please post the URL of your favorite hardware information source for
| these two motherboards / chip sets so the next fellow who google's for
| Debian and ASUS will find some good information to make a purchase.
|
| With kind regards,
| Dan Hunt
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Re: Can't enable DMA

[Andrew McGuinness]

Shyamal Prasad wrote:
"Andrew" == Andrew McGuinness <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Andrew> If you look at the pci_ids.h for 2.4.18, you can see that
Andrew> there is an id for the VT8233, which it seems you have
Andrew> with the KT266, but not for the VT8235, which Aaron has
Andrew> with is KT266A and I have with my KM266.
Andrew> http://lxr.linux.no/source/include/linux/pci_ids.h?v=2.4.18#L961

Yes. Now I have to figure out why my motherboard is reported as KT266
when the manufacturer insists in all documentation that it is really a
KT266A based board ;-)
That is a bit odd!

VIA chipsets have interchangable Northbridges and Southbridges.  The 
KT266 rather than KT266A might just be a typo in the kernel reporting: 
the significant difference is that you have the VT8233 and I have the 
VT8235, which has UDMA133 and USB2 support.

If I recall correctly, the difference between the KT266 and KT266A 
northbridges is in the memory bus caching architecture.  tomshardware 
has an article on it.

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Re: DISK BOOT FAILURE

[Kevin Mark]

On Sat, 2003-07-26 at 19:13, Debian User wrote:
> after bios, i think lilo is not ever run. the bios displays the system 
> configuration then the error message:
> 
> DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER
> 
> my boot sequence is A,C.
IIRC the machine is not seeing the drives properly. Did this happen
after you added the 'backup' drive? Computers use the bios to find the
bootable drive(meaning 'bootable' flag and boot loader), if not found
yours wants a floppy for help which the lilo boot provides. So that
would explain the boot disk working.
> 
> the boot floopy i am using is 2.2.20. the machine was booting 2.4.
> 18 ...  for months before this problem occured. apparently, i never 
> made a boto disk for the 2.4.18 kernel.
> 
Not a major problem. This can be fixed after you get this fixed.
> i have not tried re-lilo-ing b/c i am unsure if the problem is a 
> bad lilo or not. could this be the problem?
> 
I dont think is can hurt, so I think it would be ok. You are only
writing a few bits in a specific place that may have got corrupted. And
you have the boot disk.

BUT ON SECOND THOUGHT,
if you set the jumpers on the HD's  (single,master,slave) incorrectly...
that would explain alot
not see the drives on bootup, the BIOS os message, not being able to
mount the second drive.
Just a thought
-Kev


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evolution hack tip on reply-to-list

[Kevin Mark]

Hi evo-deb-ML reader,
dont know if you were looking for this but I thought it might be a
useful tip. I was looking for it and found it very useful.
the tip came from
http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg01995.html
to add a keyboard shortup (control-l) to 'reply to list'.
/usr/share/evolution/1.4/ui/evolution-mail-message.xml
at line 106 modify the 'MessageReplyList' cmd.

Cheers.
Kev


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Re: GNOME broken in Sarge?

[Colin Watson]

On Sat, Jul 26, 2003 at 02:33:15PM -0400, Marc Shapiro wrote:
> I just upgraded from Woody to Sarge.
> 
> I boot to a command line and use startx to run X.  I have been running 
> Gnome, but, since the upgrade, startx is now loading KDE.  If I try to 
> run gnome-session to run Gnome I get the following error:
> 
>   (gnome-session:535): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display
> 
> I ran 'dpkg -l gnome*' to see what was installed and found a crazy mix 
> of gnome 1.4 gnome 2.2 and gnome 2.3 files installed.  Also, several 
> packages had been removed, and not upgraded.  As near as I can tell, 
> this is a dependancey problem:  gnome-desktop-data and gnome-panel-data 
> conflict with gnome-core (<1.5) and gnome-help (<1.5) but the only 
> versions of gnome-core in testing are 1.4.x.  I do not see gnome-help in 
> either testing, or unstable

gnome-help has become yelp, I believe.

> and the gnome-core in unstable seems to be a very different animal and
> I do not know if this is what I need, or not. 
>  Is this a known problem and is there a workaround?

Yes, it is a known problem: GNOME in testing is incomplete. The best
workaround for now is probably to upgrade to GNOME from unstable.

> Is there any way to get back my gnome1.4 until this is corrected?

If you'd rather not upgrade GNOME to unstable, you could attempt to
downgrade to stable. This is unsupported but you may be able to make it
work.

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Re Request for Hardware Compatability Resources!

[Rthoreau]

> ASUS A7S333-WA with a 1800+ V.S. ASUS A7V8X-X something faster.
> These motherboards alone are priced around $100.00 Canadian,
> my spending limit.
> How would you compare these two for use with Debian. I have searched 
> the
> archives using google, with the keywords debian and "model-#". 
> The  lucky
> board will be very Microsoft Windows(TM) free. It has been suggested
> that I look at the "chip sets" and see if they are supported in the
> Debian kernel. Where do I look to find that information?
> Would one grep in the kernel source? The Asus A7S333-WA has
> a SiS745 chiip set and the Asus A7V8x-x has a VIA KT400. 

As far as being supported in Debian you will have to compile a new 
kernel with the added support for those chipsets.  I think the real 
question is does linux support these chipsets,  From doing a quick 
search using google for SiS 745 + linux + kernel support, or the Via 
KT400, chipsets I have found that they do support these chipsets.  

Since I am not familiar with what all these boards support such as 
raid and other on board support I would say that some support, and 
maybe not all is supported under linux.  I am curious as to why you 
have chosen these two chipsets, because you can get a VIA KT600 for 
about the same price as a VIA KT 400, also SiS also has a 746, and a 
748 board out as well all for under 100 dollars Canadaian.  Also 
Nvidia has a nice single channel memory board that supports FSB 400 
speeds that is under your price list.  Soltek sells it, seems to be a 
sweet spot for price and performance if you like the new CPU's.  

If you like Asus would you consider an Asrock based motherboard, which 
is a subsidiary of Asus to compete against ECS.  Because Asrock has a 
SIS 748 board out now that is priced very well.  If you don't mind a 
different brand, ECS has some good boards.  I have a ECS K7S5A that 
is running 24/7 is 1 1/2 years old, crunching RC5-72 with a lowly 
Athlon XP 1700 CPU.   Not to put you off Asus or anything, but I find 
that Asus puts a premium on their boards, you might be able to find 
the  same chipset on an Aopen or MSI for less, sometimes for as much 
as 20 US dollars less.

Anyway search the LKML for chipset support, and also google groups for 
the same.  But VIA does seem to be on the ball for linux support of 
their chipsets.

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Re: 2.6.0-test1 PCMCIA requires two insertions

[Christopher Swingley]

Marino,

* Marino Fernandez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-Jul-25 14:32 AKDT]:
> > In short, to make PCMCIA devices work, it appears I need to insert 
> > them twice.  The second time it recognizes them and works it's 
> > magic.
> >
> Why you don't do lsmod when it does not work and then lsmod when it works to 
> see which modules are loaded/installed... what are the differences... then 
> try to install the module you think you need when the PCMCIA modem does not 
> work  with insmod... i.e. insmod themodule... and if that works just add the 
> name of that module to /etc/modules.

Actually the drivers are build into the kernel in my normal 
configuration, but even when I build them as modules, I still see the 
same behavior -- inserting a new card requires two insertions before 
the kernel recognizes them (even if the modules are already loaded in 
advance).

I posted to the kernel mailing list, and got confirmation of this 
behavior from another user, but so far no one has discussed the reasons 
or solutions for it.  I don't really care too much, since the cards do 
work eventually.  I'm sure the issue will be resolved before the big 
commercial vendors start releasing their 2.6 versions.

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Defective Gnumeric cursor

[Kevin B. McCarty]

Hi,
Just started up Gnumeric (version from unstable: 1.1.19-1) for the first 
time in a while.  The Gnumeric cursor, the one that looks like a 
cross, appears to be deformed.  This isn't a problem with the app itself, 
because upon installing the gnumeric1.0 package instead (which is based on 
GTK+ 1.2 rather than 2.x), the cursor is still deformed in the same way.  

Anyone know what package contains this cursor that I should file a bug 
against?  (Where can I find images of the available system cursors, 
anyway?)

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