update-inetd problem

[Dwight Johnson]

# update-inetd --add telnet
The entry definition does not contain any whitespace characters!

What does this message mean? What am I doing wrong?

Thanks in advance,
Dwight
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Re: DNS problem

[George Bonser]

Been reading RFC2317, eh?

It might be freaking out because if the CNAME domain. Try this and see if
it fixes it:

perens.108.15.216.in-addr.arpa. IN NS NS2.perens.com.
186.108.15.216.in-addr.arpa.IN CNAME 186.perens.108.15.216.in-addr.arpa.

Then you master perens.108.15.216.in-addr.arpa.

and have

186 IN PTR perens.com.

Make sure the NS record for the perens.108.15.216.in-addr.arpa subdomain
is in the in-addr.arpa zone that is delegating to you.


On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Bruce Perens wrote:

> I'm stumped. Connects from my mail delivery system are being refused by
> hotmail, oreilly.com, brics.dk, and a number of other sites. I suspect
> that I've done something stupid in my DNS and am being rejected by sites
> that set ALL: PARANOID in /etc/hosts.deny . I don't see my system in the
> RBL, DUL, or RSS lists.
> 
> Anyone want to help? The problem system is perens.com, IP is 216.15.108.186 .
> You should be able to see forward and reverse DNS from outside.
> 
>   Thanks
> 
>   Bruce
> 
> 
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OT: WD-40

[Christopher Mosley]

I've been having terrible problems with xwindow crashes, screen
distortion, ibm mouse port and serial ports. In desperation I squirted 
a little WD-40 on the cpu fan, well all the problems went away. 
I'm using a cyrix 686 233 MII, seems quite sensitive to a slight
decrease in fan speed (increase in temperature). Any suggestions
for a good cpu fan ,other cooling methods or any tips. Are there
any comparable cpu's compatible with a bios from a couple of years ago,
that use just a heat sink?  
  Thanks

Re: OT: WD-40

[George Bonser]

I think I remember that there was a set6x86 package that set some CPU
registers on the Cyrix processors and made them run cooler.


On Sat, 14 Oct 2000, Christopher Mosley wrote:

> 
> 
> I've been having terrible problems with xwindow crashes, screen
> distortion, ibm mouse port and serial ports. In desperation I squirted 
> a little WD-40 on the cpu fan, well all the problems went away. 
> I'm using a cyrix 686 233 MII, seems quite sensitive to a slight
> decrease in fan speed (increase in temperature). Any suggestions
> for a good cpu fan ,other cooling methods or any tips. Are there
> any comparable cpu's compatible with a bios from a couple of years ago,
> that use just a heat sink?  
>   Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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task-x-window-system list of packages

[Dwight Johnson]

I need to get the list of packages installed by 'task-x-window-system', so
that I can uninstall the ones I do not want. But 

# dpkg --listfiles task-x-window-system

does not give it and

/user/share/doc/task-x-window-system/README.debian

does not show it.

Thanks in advance,
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Win 95 like GUI

[Jatin Golani]

Hi all,

i'm using Debian 2.2.havent been able to get a GUI
that I like...also not sure about the fonts,etcso
i need to test it with a GUI that I'm familiar
withthe Win 95 GUI.I have once seen a linux
box which had a GUI exactly like Win 95...i mean
like exactly like it..was that GNOME or KDE?? and
which Window Manager, themeplease let me
knowalso where can i get the .deb modules for
it.I've tried GNOME with Enlightenment, Sawmill
(which is pretty nice but still not as good as WIn),
IceWM (this is supposed to be like Win but not
exactly), fvwm, qvwm, twmnot liked any in
particular yet.which GUI are u using??? Please let
me know dude so I can move onto better things in
Linux.
 
Thanks

P.S Thanks Noah for responding to a previous query I had

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Filtering mail in Mutt

[RenX99]

I am relatively new to debian and currently I have Mutt
set up to recieve my email.  The MTA I have running is exim
and I am fetching mail with fetchmail.  

Here's my problem, I get a lot of mail and need to filter it 
into different folders but I am having problems figuring it out.
Someone suggesting procmail but I have no clue where to start, any 
have suggestions or ideas?

RenX99

Re: OT: WD-40

[C. Falconer]

At 02:09 AM 10/14/00 -0400, you wrote:

I've been having terrible problems with xwindow crashes, screen
distortion, ibm mouse port and serial ports. In desperation I squirted
a little WD-40 on the cpu fan, well all the problems went away.
I'm using a cyrix 686 233 MII, seems quite sensitive to a slight
decrease in fan speed (increase in temperature). Any suggestions
for a good cpu fan ,other cooling methods or any tips. Are there
any comparable cpu's compatible with a bios from a couple of years ago,
that use just a heat sink?


Hmm - scary.

Sounds like the fan on the CPU cooler is a sleeve-fan.  That means that the 
motor in the middle uses a plastic sleeve as an axle.  That's all well and 
good until the sleeve wears, allowing play in the blades.  The sloppiness 
then allows the blades to wiggle as they rotate, and the motor is not quite 
as good as it was power wise, hence the drop in revs/rise in heat and noise.


Getting a new fan and heatsink sounds like the best bet.  Goldenorb coolers 
are well known, but any new heatsink/fan combo should last till the end of 
the machine's life.


Point of advice, if a cooler doesn't say "Ball bearing" on it, then its a 
sleeve fan, and should be avoided.


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Nither telnet nor ftp are found on my menu?

[Shaul Karl]

I can't see a ftp or telnet entries in my menu.
Am I the only one?
How does the relevant files in /usr/lib/menu looks like?
What pacakges should be responsible for these menu entries?

Thank you.

Re: OT: WD-40

[Pollywog]

>> I've been having terrible problems with xwindow crashes, screen
>> distortion, ibm mouse port and serial ports. In desperation I squirted 
>> a little WD-40 on the cpu fan, well all the problems went away. 
>> I'm using a cyrix 686 233 MII, seems quite sensitive to a slight
>> decrease in fan speed (increase in temperature). Any suggestions
>> for a good cpu fan ,other cooling methods or any tips. Are there
>> any comparable cpu's compatible with a bios from a couple of years ago,
>> that use just a heat sink?  

I have used motor oil on mine and it worked, but eventually I had to put in a
new fan on the cpu.  What was unexpected was that a small computer shop in
town actually had the fans for about $12.

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Re: ran out of input data (wtf?)

[Martin Fluch]

On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, volunteer1 wrote:

> i config'd stock 2.2.17, rebooted the new kernel, and got a 4-line boot
> halt:
> 
> lilo loading linux...
> uncompressing linux...
> ran out of input data
> -- system halted
> 
> am i toast?
> 
> ...suggestions?

Have you rerun lilo after installing the kernel (in case you didn't use
kernel-debs)?

Martin

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Re: Supressing the "front page"

[Kari Ruohonen]

On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Mário Jorge Nunes Filipe wrote:

> Hi
> 
> In our department we have a HP LaseJet 4000T with a JetDirect board.
> 
> Our Windows colleagues send things to the printer and it only comes out
> what they send. The linux guy's print things and there is always a "front
> page" with the name of the user, host and file.
> 
If I recall correctly there is a banner on/off option in JetDirect's
configuration - I have not tried it though. You must telnet to JetDIrect
or use web browser to access the configuration.

Kari

Re: ran out of input data (wtf?)

[Ville Harju]

On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 07:25:10PM -0600, volunteer1 wrote:
> debs,
> 
> i config'd stock 2.2.17, rebooted the new kernel, and got a 4-line boot
> halt:
> 
> lilo loading linux...
> uncompressing linux...
> ran out of input data
> -- system halted
> 
> am i toast?
> 
> ...suggestions?
> 
> plz cc me as the box at issue is my regular email box.
> 
> ia, t.
> 
> bentley taylor
> 
> //
> 
> 
 Maybe you forgot lilo  You have to rerun lilo every time you compile
 old or new kernel... 
 Boot with rescue disk write 'rescue root=/dev/hd??' hd?? you put your root
 partition, run /sbin/lilo as root and that should do the trick.

Re: which software for professional Mailling? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Matthias Mann]

I´m very sorry!

In germany, my home country, it is entirely legal to send others letters
with advertising material into their letterboxes. The same is valid for
emails.

Have a nice day!

- Original Message -
From: C. Falconer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Matthias Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 3:40 AM
Subject: Re: which software for professional Mailling? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA


At 11:28 PM 10/13/00 +0200, you wrote:
>HiYou!
>
>I like to work with big archives of mailadresses and need a program that
>is able to send SPAM and organize to let it be, that people they don´t
>like my SPAMS will get never a Mail of me again. And i could need a tool
>that can scan the web for mailadresses. Is there somthing like that on the
>4CD set of Debian 2.2r0 potato?
>
>Thanx for every useful tip!

Certainly - you need to call the Federal Trade Commission on 1-800-3825-948
(1) and ask for the e-mail spam department.  They will advise you on the
nearest mafia detachment and advise them to come and beat some nettiquite
into you with steel bars.

Spam is bad.  Understand?

Go to http://www.cauce.org/ for more information on why spam is bad.

If you were in my family, you wouldn't be for much longer.


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Re: BitchX auto accept DCC

[Timmy Douglas]

On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 07:53:03PM -0400, Joel Dinel wrote:
> By default, BitchX auto accepts DCC transfers. I'm reading the (long) man 
> pages right now, but it doesn't mention anything about DCC settings.
> 
> How do I disable that ?


try: /set option value

/set -- will give a list of options

i think that is how i did it

Re: Win 95 like GUI

[Dwight Johnson]

On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Jatin Golani wrote:

> 
> Hi all,
> 
> i'm using Debian 2.2.havent been able to get a GUI
> that I like...also not sure about the fonts,etcso
> i need to test it with a GUI that I'm familiar
> withthe Win 95 GUI.I have once seen a linux
> box which had a GUI exactly like Win 95...i mean
> like exactly like it..

You were probably looking at fvwm95. Red Hat used it for a year or so. But
I think you are going to be disappointed in your search for a GUI that is
_exactly_ like Win95, or even close.

The most robust GUI on Linux today is KDE. And the most satisfying
deployment of KDE is what you will find on either Mandrake or SuSE Linux.

So, if a sophisticated GUI is your priority as well as the quickest start
on Linux, forget about Debian for the present and go with one of these
distros.

You may come back to Debian later when your priorities change.

Dwight
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Re: task-x-window-system list of packages

[Michael Janssen \(CS/MATH stud.\)]

In Dwight Johnson's email, 13-10-2000:
> I need to get the list of packages installed by 'task-x-window-system', so
> that I can uninstall the ones I do not want. But 
> 
> # dpkg --listfiles task-x-window-system
> 
> does not give it and
> 
> /user/share/doc/task-x-window-system/README.debian
> 
> does not show it.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Dwight
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> Dwight Johnson
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Dwight: 

  Try: 
 apt-cache show task-x-window-system 

  The packages should be listed in the dependencies section. 

Michael Janssen
CNS Lab Admin
UNI

Re: which software for professional Mailling? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Henrique M Holschuh]

On Sat, 14 Oct 2000, Matthias Mann wrote:
> I´m very sorry!
> 
> In germany, my home country, it is entirely legal to send others letters
> with advertising material into their letterboxes. The same is valid for
> emails.

It is also legal in Brazil, which doesn't mean that you would not:

  1. Be hated for doing it.

  2. Risk people seeking you out to beat the life out of you for sendig
 spam.

  3. Risk people seeking the business you advertised to do a LOT of loud
 complaining and probably blacklist it, and make sure the owner of said
 business want your a** fried for sending spam with its name (and
 possibly taking his money).

   4. Risk people hacking your computer with the explicit intent of doing
  you the worst possible amount of damage, because they are pissed at
  you.

Get it? Yes, it is legal. No, it is NOT accepted as good citizen behaviour.
A spammer is about as liked as someone who goes around at night throwing
heavy bricks at other people's windows.

If you annoy people enough, you WILL be tracked down (there is NO such a
thing as a 'untrackable email'), and you might very well be punished in very
harsh ways. *Nobody* likes spammers, except _maybe_ other spammers
themselves.

BTW, just so that you know, to be as untrackable as it gets when sending
bulk mail you need to violate at least one criminal law in Brazil. You risk
getting some time in jail or a very heavy fine if you're lucky AND it is the
first time you're convicted in life. I imagine it's about the same in
Germany.

You want to send spam because "it is legal"? Fine, do it. But do it in the
open as the law (probably -- after all, I don't know german law) requires,
using your real email address. Just don't expect people to like it.

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  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
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Re: Win 95 like GUI

[John Travis]

On Sat, 14 Oct 2000, Jatin Golani wrote:
> Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 01:41:01 -0500
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> From: Jatin Golani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Win 95 like GUI
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> i'm using Debian 2.2.havent been able to get a GUI
> that I like...also not sure about the fonts,etcso
> i need to test it with a GUI that I'm familiar
> withthe Win 95 GUI.I have once seen a linux
> box which had a GUI exactly like Win 95...i mean
> like exactly like it..was that GNOME or KDE?? and
> which Window Manager, themeplease let me
> knowalso where can i get the .deb modules for
> it.I've tried GNOME with Enlightenment, Sawmill
> (which is pretty nice but still not as good as WIn),
> IceWM (this is supposed to be like Win but not
> exactly), fvwm, qvwm, twmnot liked any in
> particular yet.which GUI are u using??? Please let
> me know dude so I can move onto better things in
> Linux.

You were probably looking at KDE.  I personally don't care for it at all
(looks t much like windows and isn't very lean on the RAM).  The KDE2
betas are nicer looking, but nothing drastic enough to make me want to use
it.  They are also in a pretty dynamic state of flux (some things are
broken currently).  Helix (gnome) is the nicest desktop environment in my
opinion.  As stable as KDE was, and much nicer looking, even compared to
the kde2 betas.  But then again I really prefer just to run WindowMaker or
Blackbox or isn't choice nice :-).

jt
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Re: Filtering mail in Mutt

[Moritz Schulte]

RenX99 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Here's my problem, I get a lot of mail and need to filter it 
> into different folders but I am having problems figuring it out.
> Someone suggesting procmail but I have no clue where to start, any 
> have suggestions or ideas?

See the manpages for procmail, promailrc, procmailex.

For the Debian Mailinglists i Used the following:

LOGFILE=/home/moritz/log/procmail.log
MAILDIR=/home/moritz/Mail

[...]

:0
* ^X-Mailing-List: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
debian-user

[...]

moritz
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Re: OT: WD-40

[oneiros]

Thus spake Christopher Mosley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

> Any suggestions for a good cpu fan ,other cooling methods or any tips.  any
> comparable cpu's compatible with a bios from a couple of years ago,

PC power and cooling  manufacture some of the
best power supplies and cooling devices (cpu fans, heatsinks, case fans,
alarms, etc).  I highly recommend looking into their products.

salvete.

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Re: Win 95 like GUI

[kmself]

On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 12:10:47AM -0700, Dwight Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Jatin Golani wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > i'm using Debian 2.2.havent been able to get a GUI
> > that I like...also not sure about the fonts,etcso
> > i need to test it with a GUI that I'm familiar
> > withthe Win 95 GUI.I have once seen a linux
> > box which had a GUI exactly like Win 95...i mean
> > like exactly like it..
> 
> You were probably looking at fvwm95. Red Hat used it for a year or so. But
> I think you are going to be disappointed in your search for a GUI that is
> _exactly_ like Win95, or even close.

Dittos.

> The most robust GUI on Linux today is KDE. And the most satisfying
> deployment of KDE is what you will find on either Mandrake or SuSE Linux.

> So, if a sophisticated GUI is your priority as well as the quickest start
> on Linux, forget about Debian for the present and go with one of these
> distros.

Disagree.

KDE is now part of Woody, so if you don't mind a slightly unstable KDE,
you've got it with Debian.  Just been playing with it for the past half
hour or so -- it's actually not bad for a MS Windows knockoff .
To give credit, it's grown beyond that, considerably.

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Re: Nither telnet nor ftp are found on my menu?

[kmself]

On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 08:47:13AM +0200, Shaul Karl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> I can't see a ftp or telnet entries in my menu.
> Am I the only one?
> How does the relevant files in /usr/lib/menu looks like?
> What pacakges should be responsible for these menu entries?

What are you trying to do?

To run telnet or ftp, execute them from a command line.

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Re: Nither telnet nor ftp are found on my menu?

[kmself]

On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 08:47:13AM +0200, Shaul Karl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> I can't see a ftp or telnet entries in my menu.
> Am I the only one?
> How does the relevant files in /usr/lib/menu looks like?
> What pacakges should be responsible for these menu entries?

...if the executables aren't on your system, install them:


Package: telnet
Status: install ok installed
Priority: standard
Section: net
Installed-Size: 188
Maintainer: Herbert Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Source: netkit-telnet
Version: 0.17-5
Replaces: netstd
Provides: telnet-client
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.1.2), libncurses5
Description: The telnet client.
 The telnet command is used for interactive communication with another host
 using the TELNET protocol.

Package: ftp
Status: install ok installed
Priority: standard
Section: net
Installed-Size: 152
Maintainer: Herbert Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Source: netkit-ftp
Version: 0.17-4
Replaces: netstd
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.1.94), libncurses5, libreadline4 (>= 4.1)
Description: The FTP client.
 ftp is the user interface to the ARPANET standard File Transfer Protocol.
 The program allows a user to transfer files to and from a remote network
 site.


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Re: Filtering mail in Mutt

[kmself]

On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 11:47:48PM -0700, RenX99 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> 
> I am relatively new to debian and currently I have Mutt
> set up to recieve my email.  The MTA I have running is exim
> and I am fetching mail with fetchmail.  
> 
> Here's my problem, I get a lot of mail and need to filter it 
> into different folders but I am having problems figuring it out.
> Someone suggesting procmail but I have no clue where to start, any 
> have suggestions or ideas?

I use procmail, along with Lars Wirzenius's procmail spam filters.  You
can get both with:

apt-get install spamfilter

Note that Lars's filters are extremely fascistic, and you can generate
bounces (and annoying "You spammed me" messages), particularly to
mailing lists.  However, it is pretty effective -- I'm automatically
catching several spam messages a day, which I didn't even realize until
I'd checked logs.  Some of the workings remain a bit of a mystery,
though I've mapped a lot of it out.

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Re: Win 95 like GUI

[kmself]

On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 01:29:34AM -0700, kmself@ix.netcom.com 
(kmself@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 12:10:47AM -0700, Dwight Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
> wrote:
> > On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Jatin Golani wrote:

> KDE is now part of Woody, so if you don't mind a slightly unstable KDE,
> you've got it with Debian.  Just been playing with it for the past half
> hour or so -- it's actually not bad for a MS Windows knockoff .
> To give credit, it's grown beyond that, considerably.

Followup to self.  I run, and far prefer, WindowMaker, FWIW.

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Re: Help Again moving /cdrom to /mnt/cdrom for apt-get

[Andre Berger]

Chris Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 09:41:22AM -0700, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> > 
> > I used apt-cdrom briefly a few weeks ago and noted that it appears to be
> > hardcoded to use /cdrom as a mountpoint.  There must be a /cdrom
> > directory, and an /etc/fstab entry for the CD-ROM to mount on /cdrom.  I
> > didn't explore deeply but noted this at the time.  IMO it's a bug,
> > should probably be filed as such (or checked).
> 
> The answer was given on the list recently: put
> 
> Acquire::cdrom::mount "/mnt/cdrom"; //or any other path
> 
> in /etc/apt/apt.conf.
> Chris

This is a "clean" solution. As for me, I have put symlinks to /cdrom
and /floppy into /mnt/. I once had problems with a WordPerfect
installation expecting a /cdrom dir, and also the apt-cdrom problems
Karsten mentions. The symlinks satisfy every expectation :).

-- Andre

Re: Vim vs Elvis -- was "Mutt's Editor"

[Andre Berger]

will trillich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> emacs fans, please turn the other cheek--
> 
> how does vim compare to elvis? which is the resource hog?
> which does better syntax highlighting? which makes your teeth
> whiter?

Is there anything like reftex for vim?

-- Andre

Re: zgv and dvisvga/tmview problem on potato

[Johann Spies]

On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 11:21:27AM -0400, Wayne Topa wrote:
> 
> In reply to:Johann Spies
> 

> > All I get is a blank screen with nothing readable at all.
> 
> I have zgv Version: 3.3-2 installed on potato and it works the same as
> it did on slink.
> 

...
> apt-cache show tmview
> and
> dpkg -S tmview
> 
> don't show it being available.
> 
> How did you upgrade?

It was not an upgrade.  I did a new installation on another hard
disk. But I have since my previous message found that even slink's zgv
does not work on this system.

I have also noticed something else that may give a clue: the green led
on my WEN-screen turns orange when I run zgv and ask it to load an
image.  Is that a sign that my screen can be damaged by some wrong
configuration?

BTW tmview is part of the dvisgva package.  It is actually a symlink
to dvisvga.

Johann
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 "And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke
  many people; and they shall beat their swords into 
  plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks; nation
  shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall 
  they learn war any more."   Isaiah 2:4 

Re: A conio for Borland C under Linux

[Johann Spies]

On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 01:24:01PM -0400, David Teague wrote:
> Dan
> 
> I promised to try to find Linux conio for Borland. I found it in my
> archives. It is a 1996 reimplementation of conio for Linux, for

>From a Freshmeat newsletter:

  subject: UConio 1.0.7
 added by: Pablo J. Vidal on Oct 02nd 2000, 01:35 EDT
  license: GPL
 category: Development/Libraries

 homepage: http://freshmeat.net/projects/uconio/homepage/
 download: http://freshmeat.net/projects/uconio/download/

description:
UConio is a Unix port of the Borland Console Input/Output Library
(CONIO) for DOS, and includes some new features of its own.

changes:
This release includes a new function 'u_vputs' which prints a string
on
the screen, and the beginning stages of a tutorial.

urgency:
low

|> http://freshmeat.net/projects/uconio/
---
Johann

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  many people; and they shall beat their swords into 
  plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks; nation
  shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall 
  they learn war any more."   Isaiah 2:4 

Re: xclients through ssh and docking in windowmaker

[Brad]

On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 12:54:05PM +0200, Florian Friesdorf wrote:
> I'm trying to start xclients on my router (potato) through a ssh connection
> and docking those to windowmaker dock.
> 
> I'm executing 'ssh -X [EMAIL PROTECTED] /usr/bin/X11/wterm' in a terminal on 
> my
> machine. Then I dock the appearing icon.
> Now the problem is, somehow my commandline is cutted off to
> '/usr/bin/X11/wterm'. The ssh is missing in the settings of the docked app.
> 
[SNIP]
> 
> Am I doing something wrong, or is this a windowmaker bug?

In expecting the ssh portion to be included in the command line, you're
doing something wrong.

The way ssh works, it connects to the remote machine and runs the
command specified, more or less the same way the shell runs the command
if you launch from the command line. So, the launched program has no way
of knowing it was invoked via ssh instead of via the shell or some other
mechanism. Since it doesn't know this, it can't set the WM_COMMAND
property (man xprop, or read a book on X programming) to anything other
than the command line that ssh used to launch it, and therefore
WindowMaker can't know anything other than that command to launch the
app again.


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libc6 -- down to potato?

[Andre Berger]

I made a mistake when I upgraded my xemacs21-nomule from the woody
packages -- libc6 was replaced on my potato box. Am I damned to use
woody forever? Seriously, I want the stable version!

Any help will be appreciated.

-- Andre

Re: BitchX auto accept DCC

[Rino Mardo]

On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 07:33:24PM -0500 or thereabouts, Timmy Douglas wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2000 at 07:53:03PM -0400, Joel Dinel wrote:
> > By default, BitchX auto accepts DCC transfers. I'm reading the (long) man 
> > pages right now, but it doesn't mention anything about DCC settings.
> > 
> > How do I disable that ?
> 
> 
> try: /set option value
> 
> /set -- will give a list of options
> 
> i think that is how i did it

/dcc autoget off


you can also do a /help dcc which gives you all the values


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Re: Vim vs Elvis -- was "Mutt's Editor"

[Miquel van Smoorenburg]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Pann McCuaig  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I still use nvi on occasion 'cause it will show me ^M's in a file and
>it's easier to `nvi file` than to look up how to get vim to do it.  ;->

vim -b file (binary mode). Also handy to edit binaries to change
hardcoded strings or pathnames.

Mike.

Re: ypbind problem

[Miquel van Smoorenburg]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Nate Amsden  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Douglas Eck wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone know if it's normal for ypbind to spawn four daemons that
>> eat up 16Mb of memory? It works fine... but seems like a lot
>> of overhead. I'm running woody...
>> 
>> >From memstat:
>>4180k: PID  6497 (/usr/sbin/ypbind)
>>4180k: PID  6496 (/usr/sbin/ypbind)
>>4180k: PID  6495 (/usr/sbin/ypbind)
>>4180k: PID  6492 (/usr/sbin/ypbind)
>
>since they are all reporting the exact same memory usage i'd say it is
>just forks of the same program, all of th em are using 4180k combined. 

Threads, to be precise. "ps" doesn't know how to distinguish between
one program with several threads and distinct processes. This is
because the kernel doesn't export that information. It might get fixed
in the 2.4 kernels (and a new procps that is aware of that ofcourse)

But 4180k is pretty big. On one of my systems:

% psgrep ypbind
USER   PID %CPU %MEM   VSZ  RSS TTY  STAT START   TIME COMMAND
root 19638  0.0  0.2  1308  744 ?SOct09   0:00 /usr/sbin/ypbind
root 19640  0.0  0.2  1308  744 ?SOct09   0:00 /usr/sbin/ypbind
root 19641  0.0  0.2  1308  744 ?SOct09   0:00 /usr/sbin/ypbind
root 19642  0.0  0.2  1308  744 ?SOct09   0:00 /usr/sbin/ypbind

Mike.

FYI: Apt move /cdrom to /mnt/cdrom solved

[Jonathan Gift]

Hi,

Thanks for all those who put in their 2 cents worth on moving the default
/cdrom to /mnt/cdrom and getting apt-get to work. I read the three msgs
(response was controlled but quality and not quantity is what matters), and
the man pages, and it finally came down to typing assorted commands and
adding or removing a colon, etc. I found the apt-cdrom and apt.conf man
pages to be slightly contradictory. One says to use this, the other that.
Anyway, the following works and I've used it to load off /mnt/cdrom:

1. Create /mnt/cdrom
2. Change fstab
3. Add the following line to /etc/apt/apt.conf:

Acquire::cdrom::Mount "/mnt/cdrom/";

4. Type: apt-cdrom add
5. Type: apt-get update.

That's it. The last may not be necessary but I'm on a learning curve here
and want to play it safe...

Jonathan

PS I should be able to use:

Acquire::cdrom::Mount {"/mnt/cdrom/";};

But it won't work. Any thoughts appreciated.

Re: Symlinking /tmp to /var...

[Miquel van Smoorenburg]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Ethan Vaughn  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Andreas Hetzmannseder wrote:
>> 
>> Dear debian-users,
>> 
>> The disk space for my root-partition is 40 MB, while I supplied 80 MB
>> for my /var-partition. I would like to make a symbolic link from /tmp,
>> which resides in the root partition, to /var.
>> 
>> This was my plan:
>> 1. Copying /tmp to /var/tmp.root (with /var/tmp.root being created)
>
>Try this:
>   cp -a /tmp /var
>   mv /var/tmp /var/tmp.root

Don't do this. /var/tmp already exists, and by doing this you'll
remove it, potentially breaking a lot of applications

Simply do this:

# cd /var
# mkdir tmp.root
# chown root:root tmp.root
# chmod 2777 tmp.root
# cd /
# rm -rf tmp
# ln -s /var/tmp.root tmp

Alternatively symlink /tmp to the existing /var/tmp

Mike.

LCP timout

[Rino Mardo]

Hi.  I'm back in my Debian now and am using mutt.  Feels so good!

Now on to the problem.  I'm trying to dial-in to our Cisco 3640 RAS from home
and I'm not able to do it.  Yesterday, I did some tracing of what the Cisco box
is sending me and what my Debian box is sending to the Cisco box.  What I found
out is that my box would send an LCP request but never got any response from
the Cisco box.  I fiddled around my ppp setup and was able to get a response
and also able to login to the Cisco box but I wasn't able to do it again.

I spent the whole day trying to find out why and I think I need opinions from
others.  Here's part of my /var/log/syslog:


Oct 13 13:12:55 localhost chat[617]: send (\d)
Oct 13 13:12:56 localhost pppd[616]: Serial connection established.
Oct 13 13:12:56 localhost pppd[616]: Using interface ppp0
Oct 13 13:12:56 localhost pppd[616]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS0
Oct 13 13:12:57 localhost pppd[616]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1  
  ]
Oct 13 13:12:58 localhost pppd[616]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x22 ]
Oct 13 13:12:58 localhost pppd[616]: sent [LCP ConfNak id=0x22 ]
Oct 13 13:12:58 localhost pppd[616]: rcvd [LCP ConfAck id=0x1  
  ]
Oct 13 13:12:58 localhost pppd[616]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x23 ]
Oct 13 13:12:58 localhost pppd[616]: sent [LCP ConfAck id=0x23 ]
Oct 13 13:12:58 localhost pppd[616]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x0 magic=0xecc0be02]
Oct 13 13:12:58 localhost pppd[616]: sent [PAP AuthReq id=0x1 
user="storm.AL-TAYER" password=]
Oct 13 13:12:58 localhost pppd[616]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x0 magic=0x150e206f]
Oct 13 13:12:58 localhost pppd[616]: rcvd [PAP AuthNak id=0x1 "Authentication 
failure"]
Oct 13 13:12:58 localhost pppd[616]: Remote message: Authentication failure
Oct 13 13:12:58 localhost pppd[616]: PAP authentication failed
Oct 13 13:12:58 localhost pppd[616]: sent [LCP TermReq id=0x2 "Failed to 
authenticate ourselves to peer"]
Oct 13 13:12:58 localhost pppd[616]: rcvd [LCP TermReq id=0x24]
Oct 13 13:12:58 localhost pppd[616]: sent [LCP TermAck id=0x24]
Oct 13 13:12:58 localhost pppd[616]: Hangup (SIGHUP)
Oct 13 13:12:58 localhost pppd[616]: Modem hangup
Oct 13 13:12:58 localhost pppd[616]: Connection terminated.
Oct 13 13:12:59 localhost pppd[616]: Exit.


The above message log is the message I'm still getting.

Below is the first time I was able to login successfully.  It never happened
again.  Even if I use PAP or CHAP (Cisco is configured for PAP).


Oct 13 13:28:35 localhost chat[650]: send (\d)
Oct 13 13:28:36 localhost pppd[649]: Serial connection established.
Oct 13 13:28:36 localhost pppd[649]: Using interface ppp0
Oct 13 13:28:36 localhost pppd[649]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS0
Oct 13 13:28:37 localhost pppd[649]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1  
  ]
Oct 13 13:28:38 localhost pppd[649]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x20 ]
Oct 13 13:28:38 localhost pppd[649]: sent [LCP ConfAck id=0x20 ]
Oct 13 13:28:38 localhost pppd[649]: rcvd [LCP ConfAck id=0x1  
  ]
Oct 13 13:28:38 localhost pppd[649]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x0 magic=0x81208269]
Oct 13 13:28:38 localhost pppd[649]: rcvd [CHAP Challenge id=0xa 
, name = "ALTAYER-RAS"]
Oct 13 13:28:38 localhost pppd[649]: sent [CHAP Response id=0xa 
<48b201dca4707c1f0d230e0062d733e3>, name = "rino"]
Oct 13 13:28:38 localhost pppd[649]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x0 magic=0x151c7811]
Oct 13 13:28:38 localhost pppd[649]: rcvd [CHAP Success id=0xa ""]
Oct 13 13:28:38 localhost pppd[649]: sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x1  
]
Oct 13 13:28:38 localhost kernel: PPP BSD Compression module registered
Oct 13 13:28:38 localhost kernel: PPP Deflate Compression module registered
Oct 13 13:28:38 localhost pppd[649]: sent [CCP ConfReq id=0x1  
 ]
Oct 13 13:28:38 localhost pppd[649]: rcvd [IPCP ConfReq id=0xf ]
Oct 13 13:28:38 localhost pppd[649]: sent [IPCP ConfAck id=0xf ]
Oct 13 13:28:38 localhost pppd[649]: rcvd [proto=0x8207] 01 09 00 04
Oct 13 13:28:38 localhost pppd[649]: Unsupported protocol 0x8207 received
Oct 13 13:28:38 localhost pppd[649]: sent [LCP ProtRej id=0x2 82 07 01 09 00 04]
Oct 13 13:28:38 localhost pppd[649]: rcvd [IPCP ConfRej id=0x1 ]
Oct 13 13:28:38 localhost pppd[649]: sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x2 ]
Oct 13 13:28:38 localhost pppd[649]: rcvd [LCP ProtRej id=0x21 80 fd 01 01 00 
0f 1a 04 78 00 18 04 78 00 15 03 2f]
Oct 13 13:28:38 localhost pppd[649]: rcvd [IPCP ConfNak id=0x2 ]
Oct 13 13:28:38 localhost pppd[649]: sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x3 ]
Oct 13 13:28:38 localhost pppd[649]: rcvd [IPCP ConfAck id=0x3 ]
Oct 13 13:28:38 localhost pppd[649]: Cannot determine ethernet address for 
proxy ARP
Oct 13 13:28:38 localhost pppd[649]: local  IP address 10.1.5.7
Oct 13 13:28:38 localhost pppd[649]: remote IP address 10.1.1.4
Oct 13 13:28:38 localhost pppd[649]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up started (pid 654)
Oct 13 13:28:40 localhost pppd[649]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up finished (pid 654), 
status = 0x0
Oct 13 13:29:08 localhost pppd[649]: sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x1 magic=0x81208269]
Oct 13 13:29:08 localhost pppd[649]: rcvd [LCP EchoRep id=0x1 magic=0x151c781

Re: Symlinking /tmp to /var...

[Bud Rogers]

On Sat, 14 Oct 2000, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:

> Alternatively symlink /tmp to the existing /var/tmp

That would have been my suggestion.  Anything wrong with that?

-- 
Bud Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Filtering mail in Mutt

[will trillich]

On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 11:47:48PM -0700, RenX99 wrote:
> 
> I am relatively new to debian and currently I have Mutt
> set up to recieve my email.  The MTA I have running is exim
> and I am fetching mail with fetchmail.  
> 
> Here's my problem, I get a lot of mail and need to filter it 
> into different folders but I am having problems figuring it out.
> Someone suggesting procmail but I have no clue where to start, any 
> have suggestions or ideas?

best ones i've seen are at
/usr/share/doc/mutt/examples
go have a look...

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Re: Symlinking /tmp to /var...

[kmself]

On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 05:45:26AM -0500, Bud Rogers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Sat, 14 Oct 2000, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
> 
> > Alternatively symlink /tmp to the existing /var/tmp
> 
> That would have been my suggestion.  Anything wrong with that?

Check your init scripts.  /tmp is wiped on boot.  /var/tmp may not be.

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Re: Vim vs Elvis -- was "Mutt's Editor"

[will trillich]

On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 10:10:35AM +0200, Andre Berger wrote:
> will trillich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > emacs fans, please turn the other cheek--
> > 
> > how does vim compare to elvis? which is the resource hog?
> > which does better syntax highlighting? which makes your teeth
> > whiter?
> 
> Is there anything like reftex for vim?

i haven't the faintest idea. not much of a tex person, here.

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Re: Vim vs Elvis -- was "Mutt's Editor"

[will trillich]

On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 09:25:53AM +, Miquel van Smoorenburg wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Pann McCuaig  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I still use nvi on occasion 'cause it will show me ^M's in a file and
> >it's easier to `nvi file` than to look up how to get vim to do it.  ;->
> 
> vim -b file (binary mode). Also handy to edit binaries to change
> hardcoded strings or pathnames.

in elvis, we can :disp hex (or just :di he for short) and get
nice color-coded hex editing (elvis works hard to determine file
type when the buffer is first filled -- there's even a perl errormsg
work around for :cc syntax checking). and a quick ^Wd toggles between
syntax and normal display modes.

elvis reads html files and becomes a fully-net-enabled console web browser
with hot links and other highlighting!  (^Wd to display the html syntax
instead.) in fact, that's how the elvis online help is displayed.

(and elvis does have a TeX display mode, for those who inquired...)

--

vim may have all these features too, but i wouldn't know, having
found elvis ...

i was hoping someone knew both and could differentiate the two.

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Re: hostname/netname

[will trillich]

On Tue, Sep 12, 2000 at 12:44:47AM -0500, Will Trillich wrote:
> thanks for your info! now i've got some fine-tune questions--
> 
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2000 at 11:21:40PM -0400, Gregg C wrote:
> > If you want people to be able to surf www.dontuthink.com, email 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED], telnet to server.dontuthink.com,  etc then you need 
> > DNS. Your ISP could do it, but its generally better/easier just to do it 
> > yourself.
> > 
> > your resolv.conf would be:
> > 
> > domain dontuthink.com
> > search whatever.lan
> > nameserver 192.168.1.1
> 
> how about
>   domain dontUthink.com
>   search lan
>   nameserver 127.0.0.1
>   nameserver ip.name.server.addr
> ?  is 127.0.0.1 bad compared to 192.168.1.1 for lan-wise dns?
> or does it not make any difference?

the only difference is if you have other computers networked
to your linux machine; they'll be able to connect to 192.168.x.x
but only your linux box can touch its own  127.0.0.1 'interface'. you can also have linux treat different
interfaces differently: on mine, i've got spawn of satan (aka
telnet) listening for connections on port 23 of interface
192.168.1.1 but not on my public 208.33.90.85 connection.
you can also do different things with the 127.0.0.1 if you like.

> > This will allow you to work locally for telnet, bubb1, etc but will respond 
> > to the outside world with dontuthink.com
> > 
> > /etc/hosts:
> > 208.33.90.85 server.dontuthink.com
> > 192.168.1.1  server.whatever.lanserver
> 
> and
>   127.0.0.1 loopback
> right?

sure.

and i'll put on my asbestos now, but i like to have mine look like
127.0.0.1  localhost
208.33.90.85   server   server.serensoft.com
192.168.1.1linuslinus.lan
192.168.1.2wdt  jonathon.lan
192.168.1.3kat  libris.lan
192.168.1.4jrmacjunior.lan
192.168.0.1diodedave.munge.speedex.net
and /etc/networks like
speedexish 208.33.90.0
lan192.168.1.0
tunnel 192.168.0.0
with the shorter names left of the long names; otherwise most
net listings get a bit mangled with long address names.

$ last
will   pts/0  wdt  Thu Oct 12 11:33 - 17:29  (05:56)
katftpd5406   kat  Thu Oct 12 11:18 - 11:20  (00:01)
katpts/2  diodeTue Oct 10 15:54 - 15:57  (00:03)
will   ftpd20580  diodeMon Oct  9 13:33 - 13:34  (00:00)
will   pts/0  wdt  Mon Oct  9 13:26 - 23:10  (09:44)
rdtftpd22513  209-6-136-153.s1 Wed Oct  8 16:24 - 16:26  (00:02)
rdtpts/1  209-6-136-153.s1 Wed Oct  8 16:13 - 16:39  (00:26)

here, column 3 is kept managably terse, except for a ppp-like
connection for rdt.

same for other listings.
$ route
Kernel IP routing table
Destination  Gateway GenmaskFlags Metric Ref  Use Iface
speedexish   *   255.255.255.0  U 0  0  0 eth1
lan  *   255.255.255.0  U 0  0  0 eth0
tunnel   *   255.255.255.0  U 0  0  0 dave
default  router.serensof 0.0.0.0UG0  0  0 eth1

if i'd had a shorter name for router.serensoft.com it wouldn've been
chopped off...

> also, doesn't the sequencing mean something?
>   208.33.90.85 server server.dontUthink.com
> makes display apps (ipfwadm -l for example)
> show 'server' instead of trying to use the
> full name 'server.dontUthink.com', yes?

there is a manpage on hosts (man hosts) that might give
away the store, there. i think you're right. also try
apropos hosts
apropos resolve
apropos domain
and see if any other likely suspects pop up.

> mine also has the 'new style' gunk:
>   ::1 ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
>   fe00:: ip6-localnet
>   ...

mine too. when i need to know what that's all about,
i'll check into it... good luck--  :)

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Potato -newcomerI

[guran remberg]

Hi

I have done a new installation of Potato, and have taken away xdm from
all rcx.d and was happy - thanks for the help.

My way of using the windowmanager is to have many desktops up with
specific programs running concurrently. So I tried to install Helix
Gnome with apt-get.

There was a hell of a lot of warnings during installation -> what is the
best way to get a clean installation for an old man who wants to have
many desktops to choose from. Are there other window-stuff than helix
that give that easily grasped view of where you are and where to go? I
could not stand that form used by WindowMaker, and found no information
of programs from those 'balls'.

A very important question!!  How do I do to get spelling to function in
netscape? I used apt-get install netscape and got static ones which
ought to mean that there might be difficulties to have more than one
language and get spelling?

regards
guran

Re: PHP joy at last!

[Steve Simons]

After careful consideration, I decided you're right.  After all - the 
package management capability is what I switched to Debian for in the 
first place!

And guess what - I works just fine now! >-\

PHP4, mysql and apache are all installed and running from the .deb 
packages.

Can someone now kindly tell me how to remove the files/directories 
created by the apache install - there doesnn't seem to be an uninstall 
script, and I don't wanna delete something I shouldn't :O)

Thanks for the perseverance, Will - it paid off in the end :-)

Re: going full duplex

[Igor Mozetic]

> Most of the time the ethernet card can detect full duplex vs half duplex
> on the fly.  You only need to fuss with the nic driver if the switch
> you're using can't autodetect properly (cisco switches, for example).
>
> > If anybody has a good way of going about this please let me know. I fear
> > that it is all very dependent on what type of nic I'm using; but if
> > anyone has a road map, it would be really helpful.
>
> It is dependant on the nic you're using - some can do full duplex, some
> can't.
>
> It also depends on the switch/hub that's on the other end of the ethernet
> cable :)

The best is to buy a NIC that can autonegotiate with the switch (eg, Cisco
and Intel EtherExpress Pro100).

In the case of Cisco switch and 3com905 nic you have two options:
1) use Windows setup program to switch the card to full-duplex and 100 Mbps
(you can find the program at 3com web page)
2) or don't compile the driver into kernel but use it as module with special
parameters (see D.Becker's web page at www.scyld.com)

-Igor Mozetic

Re: need quick pointer for sound config

[Jonathan D. Proulx]

Hi,

I don't know what it is, but I've never goten these cards to work on
Debian when built as modules (even when they worked with the same
module and setting in a different distro, this is particularly weird
because I rebuilt the kernel sever times under each distro with the
same results).

So, compiling the driver into the kernel is my recommendation.  Here's
the /dev/sndstat on a Debian box with working sound (not An OptiPlex)
and CS4232 on boardcard:

Installed drivers:
Type 21: CS4232
Type 22: CS4232 MIDI
Type 26: MPU-401 (UART)

Card config:
CS4232 MIDI at 0x330 irq 9 drq 0
CS4232 at 0x530 irq 7 drq 0,3

Audio devices:
0: Crystal audio controller (CS4236) (DUPLEX)

Synth devices:

Midi devices:
0: MPU-401 (UART) MIDI

Timers:
0: System clock
1: Crystal audio controller (CS4236)

Mixers:
0: Crystal audio controller (CS4236)


DMA stuff:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] jon]$ cat /proc/dma
 0: Crystal audio controller
 3: Crystal audio controller


HTH,
Jon

Re: Potato -newcomerI

[Moritz Schulte]

guran remberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> My way of using the windowmanager is to have many desktops up with
> specific programs running concurrently. So I tried to install Helix
> Gnome with apt-get.

Yes..

> There was a hell of a lot of warnings during installation -> what is
> the

Which warnings?

moritz
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Re: libc6 -- down to potato?

[Moritz Schulte]

Andre Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I made a mistake when I upgraded my xemacs21-nomule from the woody
> packages -- libc6 was replaced on my potato box. Am I damned to use
> woody forever? Seriously, I want the stable version!

Is the system usable? Why not kicking out woody-entrys in sources.list
and manually replacing the woody packages with the ones from potato?

moritz
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Re: OT: WD-40

[mike]

On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 02:09:11 -0400 (EDT), Christopher Mosley said:

> 
>  
>  I've been having terrible problems with xwindow crashes, screen
>  distortion, ibm mouse port and serial ports. In desperation I squirted 
>  a little WD-40 on the cpu fan, well all the problems went away. 
>  I'm using a cyrix 686 233 MII, seems quite sensitive to a slight
>  decrease in fan speed (increase in temperature). Any suggestions
>  for a good cpu fan ,other cooling methods or any tips. Are there
>  any comparable cpu's compatible with a bios from a couple of years ago,
>  that use just a heat sink?  
>Thanks


Read 'thermal design suggestions' at teleport.com.
Lots of good explanation and suggestions for increased air
flow inside computer cases.
A second case fan (in addition to pwr supply fan) will
net you 5 *C reduction in temp at the cpu air inlet. You can
also try a variable speed temp-controlled fan and increase metal
and bezel vents to max air flow over the heat sources.
I also snipped off the sheet metal  covers over my
case fans for max air flow.You can use a wire cage cover
instead. 
When intake vents are optimized with dual fans in many
cases only a heat sink on the cpu is needed.
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Re: Win 95 like GUI

[mike]

On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:40:06 -0700 (PDT), Jatin Golani said:

> 
>  Hi all,
>  
>  i'm using Debian 2.2.havent been able to get a GUI
>  that I like...also not sure about the fonts,etcso
>  i need to test it with a GUI that I'm familiar
>  withthe Win 95 GUI.I have once seen a linux
>  box which had a GUI exactly like Win 95...i mean
>  like exactly like it..was that GNOME or KDE?? and
>  which Window Manager, themeplease let me
>  knowalso where can i get the .deb modules for
>  it.I've tried GNOME with Enlightenment, Sawmill
>  (which is pretty nice but still not as good as WIn),
>  IceWM (this is supposed to be like Win but not
>  exactly), fvwm, qvwm, twmnot liked any in
>  particular yet.which GUI are u using??? Please let
>  me know dude so I can move onto better things in
>  Linux.
>   
>  Thanks
>  
>  P.S Thanks Noah for responding to a previous query I had
>  
I use XFce which i prefer to KDE and gnome-helix. 
Its faster, takes up less memory, is easy to customize and
has a great pager and program launcher panel.
To try it just apt-get install xfce. Its from 'woody' but i
use it with 'potato'. Its really personal taste so YMMV.

 XFce is a lightweight  desktop  environment  for  various *NIX systems. 
Designed for productivity,  it loads  and  executes  applications fast,
while conserving  system resources. XFce is all free software, released
under GNU General Public License.Available from http://www.xfce.or

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Re: Potato -newcomerI

[guran remberg]

Moritz Schulte wrote:

> guran remberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > My way of using the windowmanager is to have many desktops up with
> > specific programs running concurrently. So I tried to install Helix
> > Gnome with apt-get.
>
> Yes..
>
> > There was a hell of a lot of warnings during installation -> what is
> > the
>
> Which warnings?
>
> moritz
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The warnings as I can recall them was about inconsistences, but the program was
forced to do an installation, so it continued. My installation is very fresh, a
couple of hours only, so it must have been about the nominally installed gnome 
things
in comparison with the Helix stuff.

I have done one installation once befor in RedHat 6.2 but from within a 
terminal on
X, so I had never seen these warnings befor.

regards
guran

Re: which software for professional Mailling? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[John Hasler]

Matthias Mann writes:
> In germany, my home country, it is entirely legal to send others letters
> with advertising material into their letterboxes. The same is valid for
> emails.

What has "legal" got to do with it?  Do you labor under the delusion that
everything that is legal is right?
-- 
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Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI

Re: going full duplex

[Rino Mardo]

On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 02:27:44PM +0200 or thereabouts, Igor Mozetic wrote:
> 
> The best is to buy a NIC that can autonegotiate with the switch (eg, Cisco
> and Intel EtherExpress Pro100).

Will this really work?  I mean I know about the workaround for the Vortex cards
as we are also experiencing the same probs but I wonder if buying a Cisco or
Intel NIC would really solve the problem without resorting to workarounds.

-- 
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ICQ: 15096825

Re: Software-RAID and partitioning

[Cory Snavely]

> Christian Pernegger wrote:
> >
> > I have 3 18GB SCSI disks I want to use in a "new-style" Soft-RAID-5
> > configuration. At the moment I have
> >
> > 1. partitionsd.4swap
> > 2. partitionsd.3ext2(for squid)
> > 3. partitionsd.1raid-auto
> >
> > This of course means I have to have the whole md device under one
> > mountpoint (the directories under which are the targets of symlinks
under / .)
> >
> > I'd rather be able to have a real seperate partition on the array for at
least
> > /home.
> >
> > Is it feasible to split the raid partitions (sd.1) on the disks and
create an
> > md0 and an md1, or does this hamper performance?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Christian
> >
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>
Mike Fedyk wrote:
>
> I'm looking into making a raid setup also, and I'm not familiar with the
> "new-style" you're talking about.
>
> You would have to resize all of the partitions on each drive.
>
> I'm not too familiar with Raid5.  Does the parity partition have to be the
same
> size as the data partitions?

In my experience with software RAID (on Solaris with Solstice DiskSuite),
partitions need to be the same size (and *geometry*:
cylinders/heads/sectors) for each RAID slice. Remember, in *any* redundant
RAID level (1 and higher), there has to be parity for each bit. So therefore
one can reasonably conclude the partitions must be exactly the same size.

Now, one doesn't have to use the whole drive for a RAID 5 partition. You
could partition each of those 18 GB drives in half, say, and RAID 5 the
first half across the three for a 18 / 2 * (3 - 1) = 18 GB RAID 5. Then use
the leftover 3 partitions for straight filesystems. Or mirror two of them
with RAID 1, or stripe two of them with RAID 0, etc...

Clearly, it can get a little academic with these configurations. I'm not
sure what the performance impact is of having one or more partitions on a
drive devoted to RAID while having one or more just normal. Anymore, if I
want large filesystems, I tend to simplify my life and use each whole drive
in my RAID 0 or 5.

Re: Bring Out Yer' Dead... Dead Sparcs That Is.

[Cory Snavely]

Check your keyboard connections, both at the motherboard and at the
keyboard. If the keyboard is connected, you should hear a beep (from the
keyboard) at power-on.

It is possible that's what's causing it not to boot is that it's in diag
mode. Without console output from the PROM, you're not going to be able to
determine that or change it.

If your keyboard connections can't be fixed, and you really can't find
another type-4 or type-5 keyboard, then you may want to unplug that entirely
and go with the serial port. If you can get the PROM prompt, and if my guess
is correct that it's in diag mode, then the commands you want are

  setenv diag-mode? false
  reset

Good luck!

p.s. I don't want to go on the cart!

Potato - newcomerII

[guran remberg]

Hi

I have tried the 'dselect' for the first time, and I was overwhelmed,
more than SuSe - I could not believe my eyes.

I found LyX, albeit an old one and nedit and gnat so I am very
interested.

Therefor I have decided to do a new installation and not include Gnome,
in the original one, but let the Helix code reign. I intend to install
ispell befor I install netscape so maybe I can get spelling in the
composer.

regards
guran

Recent Woody update - alsa broke gnome?

[Lee Elliott]

After updating to the latest woody, something, I think alsa, broke
gnome.  Both of these groups of packages were updated.

The problem occurs when trying to log into a Sawfish-Gnome session from
gdm - the login window disappears but no Gnome session starts.  Logging
into a console and running top shows that the system is quiet - nothing
looping or zombied.  If I select a Debian session (icewm) I can log in
ok.  Tried a re-boot - no difference.

I tried downgrading some of the packages that had been upgraded and
which might have been responsible but it made no difference.

I then cleared out my /lib/modules and re-compiled my kernel (2.2.17). 
I compile everything I need; SMP, SCSI support, h/w sensors etc. into
the kernel, so the only module that gets made is soundcore.o. 
update-modules ok.  After re-booting again, I was able to start a Gnome
session ok, but with no sound, of course.

I then recompiled the alsa-driver for the sound card support I wanted -
sb8 - ./configure + make install, which went ok.  update-modules ok.

Re-booting again left me with the original problem - unable to start a
gnome session.

I've repeated this process a couple of times with the same results.

I had a look on the bug tracking system under gnome and alsa but didn't
find anything that seemed to apply.  Has anyone else experienced the
same problem, or can anyone tell me what I'm missing, possibly something
obvious, before I bug it?

TIA

LeeE

Re: Win 95 like GUI

[cjm2]

I'm running potato and kde 1.x.  I added the kde.tdyc.com site to
/etc/apt/sources.list and started loading deb packages earlier this week. So 
far, so
good.

Later,

Colin

kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 12:10:47AM -0700, Dwight Johnson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
> wrote:
> > On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, Jatin Golani wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > i'm using Debian 2.2.havent been able to get a GUI
> > > that I like...also not sure about the fonts,etcso
> > > i need to test it with a GUI that I'm familiar
> > > withthe Win 95 GUI.I have once seen a linux
> > > box which had a GUI exactly like Win 95...i mean
> > > like exactly like it..
> >
> > You were probably looking at fvwm95. Red Hat used it for a year or so. But
> > I think you are going to be disappointed in your search for a GUI that is
> > _exactly_ like Win95, or even close.
>
> Dittos.
>
> > The most robust GUI on Linux today is KDE. And the most satisfying
> > deployment of KDE is what you will find on either Mandrake or SuSE Linux.
>
> > So, if a sophisticated GUI is your priority as well as the quickest start
> > on Linux, forget about Debian for the present and go with one of these
> > distros.
>
> Disagree.
>
> KDE is now part of Woody, so if you don't mind a slightly unstable KDE,
> you've got it with Debian.  Just been playing with it for the past half
> hour or so -- it's actually not bad for a MS Windows knockoff .
> To give credit, it's grown beyond that, considerably.
>
> --
> Karsten M. Self  http://www.netcom.com/~kmself
>  Evangelist, Opensales, Inc.http://www.opensales.org
>   What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand?  There is no K5 cabal
>http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/http://www.kuro5hin.org
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Re: Borland C specific libraries in Linux

[Sean Furey]

Hi Dan!

> Do you know if there are C libraries who mimic Borland Turbo C
> specific libraries (conio, etc.) in Linux (a Debian package will be
> better :-).
> At school my daughter use Borland C and I don't want to install
> Windows on my computer only for that. Beside emacs is a better tools
> for programming than Borland IDE :-)

I've seen one on freshmeat a lot, it seems to be being updated a lot
at the moment, its called UConio.  You can get to its webpage through
http://freshmeat.net/projects/uconio/homepage/

Hope this helps
-- 
Sean Furey, a happy and satisfied Debian user.
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Re: Nither telnet nor ftp are found on my menu?

[Shaul Karl]

> 
> --+sHJum3is6Tsg7/J
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> Content-Disposition: inline
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> 
> On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 08:47:13AM +0200, Shaul Karl ([EMAIL PROTECTED])=
>  wrote:
> > I can't see a ftp or telnet entries in my menu.
> > Am I the only one?
> > How does the relevant files in /usr/lib/menu looks like?
> > What pacakges should be responsible for these menu entries?
> 
> =2E..if the executables aren't on your system, install them:
> 


I haven't clarified myself properly:
I was not reffering to the executables. I was reffering to the menu entries, 
the ones that you get when you use your left mouse button in the root of the X 
windows system.
Assuming that is installed on your system, do you have entries for ftp and 
telnet? Do you see the corresponding files in /usr/lib/menu? Which packages 
installed them?


> 
> Package: telnet
> Status: install ok installed
> Priority: standard
> Section: net
> Installed-Size: 188
> Maintainer: Herbert Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Source: netkit-telnet
> Version: 0.17-5
> Replaces: netstd
> Provides: telnet-client
> Depends: libc6 (>=3D 2.1.2), libncurses5
> Description: The telnet client.
>  The telnet command is used for interactive communication with another =
> host
>  using the TELNET protocol.
> 
> Package: ftp
> Status: install ok installed
> Priority: standard
> Section: net
> Installed-Size: 152
> Maintainer: Herbert Xu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Source: netkit-ftp
> Version: 0.17-4
> Replaces: netstd
> Depends: libc6 (>=3D 2.1.94), libncurses5, libreadline4 (>=3D 4.1)
> Description: The FTP client.
>  ftp is the user interface to the ARPANET standard File Transfer Protoc=
> ol.
>  The program allows a user to transfer files to and from a remote netwo=
> rk
>  site.
> 
> 
> --=20
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>http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/http://www.kuro5hin.org
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Re: Recent Woody update - alsa broke gnome?

[Kevin C. Smith]

On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 02:49:43PM +0100, Lee Elliott wrote:
> After updating to the latest woody, something, I think alsa, broke
> gnome.  Both of these groups of packages were updated.
> 
> The problem occurs when trying to log into a Sawfish-Gnome session from
> gdm - the login window disappears but no Gnome session starts.  Logging
> into a console and running top shows that the system is quiet - nothing
> looping or zombied.  If I select a Debian session (icewm) I can log in
> ok.  Tried a re-boot - no difference.
> 
> I tried downgrading some of the packages that had been upgraded and
> which might have been responsible but it made no difference.
> 
> I then cleared out my /lib/modules and re-compiled my kernel (2.2.17). 
> I compile everything I need; SMP, SCSI support, h/w sensors etc. into
> the kernel, so the only module that gets made is soundcore.o. 
> update-modules ok.  After re-booting again, I was able to start a Gnome
> session ok, but with no sound, of course.
> 
> I then recompiled the alsa-driver for the sound card support I wanted -
> sb8 - ./configure + make install, which went ok.  update-modules ok.
> 
> Re-booting again left me with the original problem - unable to start a
> gnome session.
> 
> I've repeated this process a couple of times with the same results.
> 
> I had a look on the bug tracking system under gnome and alsa but didn't
> find anything that seemed to apply.  Has anyone else experienced the
> same problem, or can anyone tell me what I'm missing, possibly something
> obvious, before I bug it?
> 
> TIA
> 
> LeeE
> 

I can't claim to know much about sound support in linux. But, I ran to a
problem recently that may be related?  I attempted to intall:
  alsa-base
apt tried to download "alsa-base_0.5.9c-8.deb" which isn't a file on the server.
There is a "alsa-base_0.5.9d-1.deb". This would be in woody.

Maybe my problem is related to yours?

Kevin

Re: update-inetd problem

[Michael P. Soulier]

On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 10:55:35PM -0700, Dwight Johnson wrote:
> # update-inetd --add telnet
> The entry definition does not contain any whitespace characters!
> 
> What does this message mean? What am I doing wrong?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Dwight

Wow. I didn't even know there was an update-inetd program. I always hack
the inetd.conf file by hand. 
Can't you just uncomment the telnet entry? You shouldn't use telnet
anyway, unless you're on a closed network. Too much cleartext. Use ssh. 

Mike

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Re: Filtering mail in Mutt

[Michael P. Soulier]

On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 01:38:09AM -0700, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:

> I use procmail, along with Lars Wirzenius's procmail spam filters.  You
> can get both with:
> 
> apt-get install spamfilter
> 
> Note that Lars's filters are extremely fascistic, and you can generate
> bounces (and annoying "You spammed me" messages), particularly to
> mailing lists.  However, it is pretty effective -- I'm automatically
> catching several spam messages a day, which I didn't even realize until
> I'd checked logs.  Some of the workings remain a bit of a mystery,
> though I've mapped a lot of it out.

Yeah, I might switch to procmail from this perl filter myself, just for
the public support... 

Mike

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Re: Vim vs Elvis -- was "Mutt's Editor"

[Michael P. Soulier]

On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 06:16:48AM -0500, will trillich wrote:
> > 
> > Is there anything like reftex for vim?
> 
> i haven't the faintest idea. not much of a tex person, here.

I do a lot of LaTeX in Vim. What's reftex?

Mike

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Re: which software for professional Mailling? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Michael P. Soulier]

On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 08:50:51AM +0200, Matthias Mann wrote:
> I´m very sorry!
> 
> In germany, my home country, it is entirely legal to send others letters
> with advertising material into their letterboxes. The same is valid for
> emails.

Who cares if it's legal? Do they want them? Why do you think so much work
goes into spamfilters, and programs like junkbuster?
How 'bout we send you an unwanted email every day, and see how long it
takes before you figure out how to filter it 'cause it's pissing you off?

Mike

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Re: which software for professional Mailling? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Michael P. Soulier]

On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 05:34:00AM -0200, Henrique M Holschuh wrote:

> You want to send spam because "it is legal"? Fine, do it. But do it in the
> open as the law (probably -- after all, I don't know german law) requires,
> using your real email address. Just don't expect people to like it.

The fact that it's legal just means that the law is f**ked. 

Mike

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of nerd-like effort."  -Harley Hahn, A Student's Guide to UNIX
PGP Public Key: http://www.storm.ca/~msoulier/personal.html

Re: Nither telnet nor ftp are found on my menu?

[Michael P. Soulier]

On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 04:36:21PM +0200, Shaul Karl wrote:

> I haven't clarified myself properly:
> I was not reffering to the executables. I was reffering to the menu entries, 
> the ones that you get when you use your left mouse button in the root of the 
> X 
> windows system.
> Assuming that is installed on your system, do you have entries for ftp and 
> telnet? Do you see the corresponding files in /usr/lib/menu? Which packages 
> installed them?

You make it sound like there's only one window manager. This isn't
winblows. The answer to that is entirely dependent on the window manager
and/or desktop system you're using. 
I'll stick to the command-line. It's faster for me.

Mike

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Re: Bring Out Yer' Dead... Dead Sparcs That Is.

[Ben Collins]

On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 09:10:38AM -0400, Cory Snavely wrote:
> Check your keyboard connections, both at the motherboard and at the
> keyboard. If the keyboard is connected, you should hear a beep (from the
> keyboard) at power-on.
> 
> It is possible that's what's causing it not to boot is that it's in diag
> mode. Without console output from the PROM, you're not going to be able to
> determine that or change it.
> 
> If your keyboard connections can't be fixed, and you really can't find
> another type-4 or type-5 keyboard, then you may want to unplug that entirely
> and go with the serial port. If you can get the PROM prompt, and if my guess
> is correct that it's in diag mode, then the commands you want are
> 
>   setenv diag-mode? false
>   reset
> 
> Good luck!

Either that or it is booting, but is sending out/in to the serial
(expecting a serial console).

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`  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  --  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  --  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  '
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RE: libc6 -- down to potato?

[Pollywog]

On 14-Oct-2000 Andre Berger wrote:
> I made a mistake when I upgraded my xemacs21-nomule from the woody
> packages -- libc6 was replaced on my potato box. Am I damned to use
> woody forever? Seriously, I want the stable version!

I have downgraded my libc6 with no problems.  Woody's libc6-dev has a problem
in the header file tcp.h, I found out yesterday.

--
Andrew

Re: printtool

[Joe Bouchard]

On Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 05:11:57AM -0700, Dale Morris wrote:
> I'm trying to get my printer working after an upgrade. I've posted
> several other messages to the list, so I won't repeat them now. My
> question is this..
> When I try to configure printtool for my Epson StylusColor 600 printer,
> there is nothing listed about resolution settings, paper type, etc.. And
> printtool locks up and won't do anything. Obviously a bug?

If all else fails try "magicfilter" instead of printtool.  Always worked
fine for me.  And I see it has filters for Epson StylusColor 600
printer at 360, 720 and 1440 dpi.

# apt-get install magicfilter
# magicfilterconfig

HTH

-- 

Thank you,
Joe Bouchard

Powered by Debian GNU/Linux

Re: Filtering mail in Mutt

[Colin Watson]

RenX99 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am relatively new to debian and currently I have Mutt
>set up to recieve my email.  The MTA I have running is exim
>and I am fetching mail with fetchmail.  
>
>Here's my problem, I get a lot of mail and need to filter it 
>into different folders but I am having problems figuring it out.

If you're using exim, try its built-in filter files. They're described
in /usr/share/doc/exim/filter.txt.gz, and are really quite easy to use
(much more so than procmail, I found).

My .forward file, with a lot of stuff cut out of the middle for clarity,
looks like this:

# Exim filter

# Catchall for bounce messages
if error_message then finish endif

# root and news/usenet go to separate mailboxes
if $h_to: contains [EMAIL PROTECTED] then
  save $home/mail/root-inbox
elif $h_to: contains [EMAIL PROTECTED] or
 $h_to: contains [EMAIL PROTECTED] or
 $h_subject: BEGINS "riva daily usenet report" then
  save $home/mail/news-inbox

# Debian mailing lists. Try to be robust-ish here ...
elif $h_x-mailing-list contains "@lists.debian.org" then
  pipe "/usr/bin/mailtonews"

[...]

endif

# Otherwise save to the main inbox
if not delivered then
  save $home/mail/inbox
endif

-- 
Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: ran out of input data (wtf?)

[volunteer1]

Martin Fluch wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Oct 2000, volunteer1 wrote:
>
> > i config'd stock 2.2.17, rebooted the new kernel, and got a 4-line boot
> > halt:
> >
> > lilo loading linux...
> > uncompressing linux...
> > ran out of input data
> > -- system halted
> >
> > am i toast?
> >
> > ...suggestions?
>
> Have you rerun lilo after installing the kernel (in case you didn't use
> kernel-debs)?
>
> Martin
>
> --
> If windows is the answer, it must have been a stupid question.
>
> For public PGP-key: finger [EMAIL PROTECTED]

//

debs,

i got to bash with my rescue disk.  (glad to see  my files are still there.)
i ran lilo and got scary results:

/target/sbin/lilo: error in loading shared libraries
/target/lib/libc.so.6: undefined symbol: _dl_initial_searchlist

...suggestions?

ia, t.

plz cc me...

bentley taylor.

//

Re: update-inetd problem

[Shaul Karl]

> # update-inetd --add telnet
> The entry definition does not contain any whitespace characters!
> 
> What does this message mean? What am I doing wrong?
> 


I do not understand you well, can you write the context of what you are doing?
Anyway, if you are just trying to run update-inetd and are getting this 
message then you might check the possibility that the script is broken.


> Thanks in advance,
> Dwight
> --
> Dwight Johnson
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
> -- 
> Unsubscribe?  mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null
> 

-- 

Shaul Karl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Problems compiling drivers.

[Pablo Zurita]

I am a newbie to the Debian world.
I have a problem, I need to compile the drivers for my ethernet card and my 
video card(GeForce DDR). When I try to compile, the compiler says that it 
can't find linux/modversion.h
now checking the source I see many #includes to files that should be in the 
/linux dir but I just don't have those files. In which .deb are those files?

NOTE: I am using Debian Potato and I only have the first CD.

Thanks.

Netscape 4.75 with 128 bit encryption?

[Andreas Goesele]

Hi,

so far I use an "alien" rpm package of netscape with 128 bit
encryption. I would like to switch to a secure (that is version 4.75)
deb package.

Are the netscape version under www.debian.org/security/2000/2901
128 bit? If not, is there a place to find 128 bit debian packages?

By the way: I have the impression that debian still adheres to a
strict devision between us and non-us encryption packages which - for
all what I know - given the new US legislation is obsolete. Any
comments?

Thanks in advance

Andreas Goesele

Re: which software for professional Mailling? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Matthias Mann]

Matthias Mann writes:
> In germany, my home country, it is entirely legal to send others letters
> with advertising material into their letterboxes. The same is valid for
> emails.

John Hasler:
> What has "legal" got to do with it?  Do you labor under the delusion that
> everything that is legal is right?

No! Nevertheless this is the only way for me to advertise for my new
buisnes, cause i have not enought budget to pay for other possibilitys. And
i think i have the right to get my existence. And isn´t it all the same if
you see publicity on busstops, tv, websites or your mailbox? Who don´t like
commercial messages can look away and delete mails like that. I do the same.
Where is the problem?

Have a fine day!

Re: which software for professional Mailling? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Matthias Mann]

- Original Message -
From: Henrique M Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Matthias Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: which software for professional Mailling? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Huui! This discussion becomes a content that now has nothing to du with
Debian knowledge. Thanx to all meanings. I think i should find another way
to contact my intendet customers in future.

Dear Henrique!

I thank you for your detailed information about the risks of spamming. I
don´t beleve that anyone would kill me if i begin with spamming. There are
so much spammers. Who will all them find?

That spamming is not very liked by much people is a part of my project, that
i  had not considered. I have seen it now on the reactions of newsgroup
members. And it seems to be good, that you wrote me your warning.

My experience with buisnes in web is not very big. Do you have some idears
what i can do to reach more hundrets of people per day over the internet,
whithot paying more than the online time? It is very important for me to
reach very much people, cause i like to sell immovables. They will surely
not so easy to sell like bread or books. And my budget is very small, so it
is not possible for me, to pay for a big publicity campaign.

Have a lucky day!

Re: update-inetd problem

[Dwight Johnson]

On Sat, 14 Oct 2000, Michael P. Soulier wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 10:55:35PM -0700, Dwight Johnson wrote:
> > # update-inetd --add telnet
> > The entry definition does not contain any whitespace characters!
> > 
> > What does this message mean? What am I doing wrong?
> 
> Wow. I didn't even know there was an update-inetd program. I always hack
> the inetd.conf file by hand. 
> Can't you just uncomment the telnet entry?

That's what I have always done on my Red Hat and SuSE installations. But
on Debian 2.2, my inetd.conf file does not have a telnet entry to uncomment
and the inetd.conf file begins with a commented caution to not change it
except using 'update-inetd'.

But trying to make sense out of constructing an update-inetd add entry
using 'man update-inetd' and the associated man pages is beyond me.

What does your inetd.conf telnet entry look like?

> You shouldn't use telnet
> anyway, unless you're on a closed network. Too much cleartext. Use ssh. 

I would have tried that too, but 'apt-get install ssh' is unable to find
the package on my 2.2 CD set.

Thanks for your help,
Dwight
--
Dwight Johnson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: which software for professional Mailling? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Tyrin Price]

* Matthias Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [14Oct00 16:38 +0200]:
> No! Nevertheless this is the only way for me to advertise for my new
> buisnes, cause i have not enought budget to pay for other possibilitys. And
> i think i have the right to get my existence. And isn´t it all the same if
> you see publicity on busstops, tv, websites or your mailbox? Who don´t like
> commercial messages can look away and delete mails like that. I do the same.
> Where is the problem?

Most people have an aversion to spam so if your company resorts
to spam you will hurt rather than help business.

-- 
 -=[Ty]=-   =o&>o

Ghostscript

[Dan Griswold]

I noticed that the version of GS in Woody is 5.10, while the newest
stable release listed on the ghostscript home page is 6.01. I'm
curious: why is that?

Many thanks,

Dan
-- 
--
Dan Griswold
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
2004 Greenview Drive
Carrollton, TX  75010
(972) 394-2800
--

Re: ran out of input data (wtf?)

[Michael P. Soulier]

On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 09:54:23AM -0600, volunteer1 wrote:
> 
> debs,
> 
> i got to bash with my rescue disk.  (glad to see  my files are still there.)
> i ran lilo and got scary results:
> 
> /target/sbin/lilo: error in loading shared libraries
> /target/lib/libc.so.6: undefined symbol: _dl_initial_searchlist
> 
> ...suggestions?

When were the libraries changed? I'm wondering if you have broken
dependencies somewhere. apt-get check? 

I understand the error, I'm just wondering what caused it. 

Actually, where's this /target directory coming from? The rescue disk?

Mike

-- 
Michael P. Soulier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"...the word HACK is used as a verb to indicate a massive amount
of nerd-like effort."  -Harley Hahn, A Student's Guide to UNIX
PGP Public Key: http://www.storm.ca/~msoulier/personal.html

Re: which software for professional Mailling? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Michael P. Soulier]

On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 04:38:42PM +0200, Matthias Mann wrote:

> No! Nevertheless this is the only way for me to advertise for my new
> buisnes, cause i have not enought budget to pay for other possibilitys. And
> i think i have the right to get my existence. And isn´t it all the same if
> you see publicity on busstops, tv, websites or your mailbox? Who don´t like
> commercial messages can look away and delete mails like that. I do the same.
> Where is the problem?

And we get enough of it as it is! TV commercials go at higher volume than
the program you're watching, which pisses me off and I mute the TV. Everywhere
I look when I'm on the street I see an ad, blocking up the view of trees, the
sky, my world... I open my mail and I find 90% junkmail, which I immediately
throw out without looking at a single one. Then I check my email and find spam
from a bunch of losers who know exactly how much they're pissing people off
because they're going to an effort to prevent their true sending address from
being found. Then I get phonecalls at home from telemarketers and I have to
tell them to piss off and leave me alone.
Advertising pisses me off! If I want to look for a business like yours,
whatever it is, I will actively go and look. I do not want you to come to me. 

Personally, I realize that advertising is required. Sometimes it's even
a good thing, because I find out that there are services that I didn't know
about. However, I'll trust word of mouth over an ad any day. And I'd prefer it
if ads did not come to me. I don't complain about postings to newsgroups
because I had to go to the newsgroup and actively look, and the signal to
noise ratio in newsgroups is pretty low anyway. However, stay the hell out of
my inbox! Not only will I not use your service, but I'll actively track you
down and let you know how it feels. 

Mike

-- 
Michael P. Soulier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"...the word HACK is used as a verb to indicate a massive amount
of nerd-like effort."  -Harley Hahn, A Student's Guide to UNIX
PGP Public Key: http://www.storm.ca/~msoulier/personal.html

Re: which software for professional Mailling? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Pollywog]

On 14-Oct-2000 Matthias Mann wrote:
> 
> No! Nevertheless this is the only way for me to advertise for my new
> buisnes, cause i have not enought budget to pay for other possibilitys. And
> i think i have the right to get my existence. And isn´t it all the same if
> you see publicity on busstops, tv, websites or your mailbox? Who don´t like
> commercial messages can look away and delete mails like that. I do the same.
> Where is the problem?

It is not the same thing.  If I visit a webpage and see advertising, I
*chose* to visit the website and I understand that I might see such things.

On the other hand, when someone sends me spam, I have no choice in the matter.
All I can do is block the spammer's hosts/domains from sending me e-mail, and
I can complain to the Internet provider of the spammer.  Also, I can try to
get the offending ISP's netblocks added to the RBL if they persist.

Some of us get so much spam that simply deleting the spam by subject line is
inefficient and annoying.  Why do you think almost all spammers use bogus
reply addresses and why do you think they relay their spam through other
people's servers?  It is because they KNOW that what they are doing is
wrong and that it makes people angry.  Otherwise, they would not mind telling
us who they are (by giving us their valid e-mail address and using their ISP's
mail server to send their spam).



--
Andrew

Re: which software for professional Mailling? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Michael P. Soulier]

On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 06:13:26PM +0200, Matthias Mann wrote:
> 
> My experience with buisnes in web is not very big. Do you have some idears
> what i can do to reach more hundrets of people per day over the internet,
> whithot paying more than the online time? It is very important for me to
> reach very much people, cause i like to sell immovables. They will surely
> not so easy to sell like bread or books. And my budget is very small, so it
> is not possible for me, to pay for a big publicity campaign.

Who says the people want to be reached?

How about this? In this world of completely inpersonal spam emails,
phonecalls and billboard signs, why don't you go, in person, and solicit
services from people? If you're talking about web design, there are problem
plenty of people locally that would desire your service if you actually make
the effort to go to them and politely state your case around their schedule.
Leave them a business card. Shake their hands and look them in the eye. You'll
probably get 10 times the business than if you annoy them with email that they
delete before reading. 
My wife and I have gotten business by casually asking someone if they had
a webpage for the business that they just finished telling us about. 

Just a thought.

Mike

-- 
Michael P. Soulier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"...the word HACK is used as a verb to indicate a massive amount
of nerd-like effort."  -Harley Hahn, A Student's Guide to UNIX
PGP Public Key: http://www.storm.ca/~msoulier/personal.html


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Re: update-inetd problem

[Dwight Johnson]

On Sat, 14 Oct 2000, Shaul Karl wrote:

> > # update-inetd --add telnet
> > The entry definition does not contain any whitespace characters!
> > 
> > What does this message mean? What am I doing wrong?
> > 
> I do not understand you well, can you write the context of what you are doing?
> Anyway, if you are just trying to run update-inetd and are getting this 
> message then you might check the possibility that the script is broken.

I am running Debian 2.2., a new installation (my first). I would like to
add telnet to the services of inetd.conf. The file cautions me to use only
update-inetd to do this.

My general question is 'How do I use update-inetd to add telnet to my
inetd.conf services?' I have read the update-inetd man page and the
associated man pages and it is still not clear.

Thanks,
Dwight
--
Dwight Johnson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: update-inetd problem

[Michael P. Soulier]

On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 09:26:57AM -0700, Dwight Johnson wrote:
> 
> That's what I have always done on my Red Hat and SuSE installations. But
> on Debian 2.2, my inetd.conf file does not have a telnet entry to uncomment
> and the inetd.conf file begins with a commented caution to not change it
> except using 'update-inetd'.

I think that program maintains comments in the file that are used for safe
upgrades at a later time. I'm not that concerned with it. When I upgrade, I'll
hack the file again. However, it's a great idea if you have to upgrade 100
machines and you don't want to edit each and every inetd.conf file. 

> What does your inetd.conf telnet entry look like?

#telnet stream  tcp nowait  telnetd.telnetd /usr/sbin/tcpd
/usr/sbin/in.telnetd

I have it turned off. ;-) 

> I would have tried that too, but 'apt-get install ssh' is unable to find
> the package on my 2.2 CD set.

It's in non-us on the ftp site. 

http://www.debian.org/Packages/stable/non-us/ssh.html

Try this:

echo "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US potato/non-US main contrib
non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list

apt-get update
apt-get install ssh

Mike

-- 
Michael P. Soulier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"...the word HACK is used as a verb to indicate a massive amount
of nerd-like effort."  -Harley Hahn, A Student's Guide to UNIX
PGP Public Key: http://www.storm.ca/~msoulier/personal.html

Re: which software for professional Mailling? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Dwight Johnson]

On Sat, 14 Oct 2000, Matthias Mann wrote:

> That spamming is not very liked by much people is a part of my project, that
> i  had not considered. I have seen it now on the reactions of newsgroup
> members. And it seems to be good, that you wrote me your warning.
> 
> My experience with buisnes in web is not very big. Do you have some idears
> what i can do to reach more hundrets of people per day over the internet,
> whithot paying more than the online time? It is very important for me to
> reach very much people, cause i like to sell immovables. They will surely
> not so easy to sell like bread or books. And my budget is very small, so it
> is not possible for me, to pay for a big publicity campaign.

Thank you for turning away from SPAM. I'm glad members of this list were
able to convince you.

Write to me privately about the specific products or services offered by
your business and I will give you suggestions for Internet marketing. What
are 'immovables'?

Dwight
--
Dwight Johnson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Vim vs Elvis -- was "Mutt's Editor"

[Michael P. Soulier]

On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 06:44:26PM +0200, Paul Seelig wrote:

> RefTeX is besides AUCTeX the second best reason to use any kind of
> Emacsen for one's LaTeX editing.  The first best reason for it is
> AUCTeX... ;-)
> 
> I've learned LaTeX a few years ago with vim actually but after having
> become aquainted with AUCTeX/RefTeX on (X)Emacs i finally found a
> reason to start learning Emacsen stuff and have never looked back.
> 
> Just because an (X)Emacs is some sort of Emacsen is no reason to be
> excited about it - but add-ons like AUCTeX/RefTeX and so on definitely
> are.  So don't count me in as an (X)Emacs user, but an avid user of
> AUCTeX/RefTeX, Gnus, and whatever, who actually doesn't really care
> about the editor beneath.  ;-)
> 
> While i still like and eventually use vi for for quick editing tasks,
> i doubt it's even possible to reach that kind of automized high-level
> LaTeX support as encountered in AUCTeX/RefTeX under the vi paradigm.

Should be on the CTAN then. 
http://www.dante.de/cgi-bin/ctan-index

I just can't stand (X)Emacs. I learned it and used it for 6 months, but as
I do a lot of Perl, and the perl modes are horribly broken, I gave up on it
and went back to Vi. Then I found Vim, and I haven't looked back. 

Some help with LaTeX tags would be nice, but I have a whole list of
abbreviations and some macros that do nicely for me. 

Mike

-- 
Michael P. Soulier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"...the word HACK is used as a verb to indicate a massive amount
of nerd-like effort."  -Harley Hahn, A Student's Guide to UNIX
PGP Public Key: http://www.storm.ca/~msoulier/personal.html

Re: Vim vs Elvis -- was "Mutt's Editor"

[Pann McCuaig]

On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 23:56, will trillich wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 12:51:24PM -0500, Jeff Howie wrote:
> > I cut my teeth on vim (4.x or so). and haven't looked back.
> > 
> > On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 11:59:06AM -0500, will trillich wrote:
> > > emacs fans, please turn the other cheek--
> > > how does vim compare to elvis? which is the resource hog?
> > 
> > Not sure about that, but I would assume that vi(elvis) would be on
> > the leaner side (less features = smaller footprint?).
> 
> according to packages.debian.org/vim:
> 
> stable18%   vim 5.6.070-1   (309.4k)
> Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor
> 
> according to packages.debian.org/elvis:
> 
> stable17%   elvis 2.1.4-1   (493k)
> A much improved "vi" editor with syntax highlighting.
> 
> elvis's blue suede shoes look more piggish than vim's. nearly
> by a factor of 2? or is it just docs?

If you want vim to be really useful you need the vim-rt package as well.
I suspect that tips the balance.

Cheers,
 Pann
-- 
geek by nature, Linux by choice L I N U X   .~.
The Choice  /V\
http://www.ourmanpann.com/linux/ of a GNU  /( )\
Generation ^^-^^

Re: PHP joy at last!

[Chris Gray]

On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 01:25:40PM +, Steve Simons wrote:
> After careful consideration, I decided you're right.  After all - the 
> package management capability is what I switched to Debian for in the 
> first place!
> 
> And guess what - I works just fine now! >-\
> 
> PHP4, mysql and apache are all installed and running from the .deb 
> packages.
> 
> Can someone now kindly tell me how to remove the files/directories 
> created by the apache install - there doesnn't seem to be an uninstall 
> script, and I don't wanna delete something I shouldn't :O)

If it's a well-made package, there is usually an uninstall rule in the
Makefile.  Just "make uninstall" and you're on your way.  

Cheers,
Chris

-- 
It is much easier to be critical than to be correct.
-- Benjamin Disraeli

mutt+sendmail: don't want local ip in headers

[Krzys Majewski]

[For the impatient: I want mail to either be sent from my school's smtp
server, or to look like it's been sent from my school's smtp server. I
don't  want  people  to  see  things  like  my  home  IP  in  my  mail
headers. I'm using mutt, which doesn't have a built-in MTA.]

Normally I send  mail through my school's smtp  server. Now I'm trying
out  mutt which  by all  accounts needs  a separate  MTA. That's  OK, I
guess  (**grumble**), I've  got sendmail.  So I'm  now sending  mail with
sendmail.  Here's some  logs (this  is  the sendmail  that comes  with
whatever yesterday's stable version was):

Oct  14 08:49:17 localhost  sendmail[18389]: starting  daemon (8.9.3):
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:10:00 
Oct  14  09:02:21  localhost  sendmail[18627]:  JAA18627:  from=krzys,
size=298,class=0,   pri=30298,   nrcpts=1,
msgid=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oct 1409:02:22 localhost sendmail[18629]:JAA18627:
[EMAIL PROTECTED],   ctladdr=krzys   (1000/1000),  delay=00:00:01,
xdelay=00:00:01,  mailer=relay,  relay=smtp.cs.ubc.ca. [142.103.6.52],
stat=Sent (JAA23848 Message accepted for delivery)

OK, so it  works. Here's my problem. Looking at  the mail headers (via
'less $MAIL' on the school server), I see the following:

>From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Sat Oct 14 09:02:22 2000
Received: from localhost.cs.ubc.ca ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [24.115.135.172]) by 
pedigree.cs.ubc.ca (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA23848 for <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:02:20 -0700 (PDT)
Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])
by localhost.cs.ubc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA18627
for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:02:21 -0700
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:02:21 -0700
From: Krzys Majewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: from home
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Disposition: inline
User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i
Status: O
X-Status: 
X-Keywords:  
X-UID: 2788

Compare this to the headers I get when sending from school:

>From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Sat Oct 14 08:59:45 2000
Received: from cascade.cs.ubc.ca ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [142.103.7.7]) by 
pedigree.cs.ubc.ca (8.8.8/8.6.9) with ESMTP id IAA23798 for <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 08:59:44 -0700 (PDT)
Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 08:59:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Majewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: from school
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See? Much  nicer! In particular,  I take issue  with the
following headers. Either I don't want the whole world to see them (eg
my IP address) or I'm not sure if they're necessary or even correct. 

>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Oct 14 09:02:22 2000

Nobody has to know about krzys.com.
I want people to think my mail is coming from cs.ubc.ca. 
Ideally I  want the mail  to actually come  from cs.ubc.ca, as  it was
before.  I'm not  trying to  scam anybody  here, I  just want  my mail
system to be as separate from  my desktop box as possible (like it was
before I started using mutt)

Received:   from   localhost.cs.ubc.ca
([EMAIL PROTECTED]  [24.115.135.172]) by
pedigree.cs.ubc.ca   (8.8.8/8.6.9)   with   ESMTP  id   JAA23848   for
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:02:20 -0700 (PDT)

OK this is a problem. I don't want the world to see things like 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] or my IP address. 
And what's the deal with "from localhost.cs.ubc.ca", is that even correct?

Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED])

Don't like this [EMAIL PROTECTED] business, what's up with that? 

by localhost.cs.ubc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id JAA18627
for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:02:21 -0700

Still not convinced about localhost.cs.ubc.ca. 

There it is. Oh yeah, a putative solution should not break the ability
of cron jobs etc. to send mail to me, via .forward (or some other mechanism
if necessary) to my usual (school) mail account. 

-chris

Open Office binaries - problem running on Debian

[Phillip Deackes]

After reading about the new Star Office 6 (now known as Open Office) on
Linux Today, I decided to download the binaries to see how it looked. My
main reason for doing this is that they have done away with the awful
copy of the Windows desktop - although the whole package still opens all
at once, as before.

Anyway, I downloaded the tar.gz, unzipped it and ran 'setup -net' as
root, then as a regular user ran 'setup' just like with Star Office. The
second run of setup installed all the user files in my home directory.
So far so good.

I then tried running ~/openoffice60/soffice but got the following error
message:

Application ErrorAborted

I am running the latest Woody, latest upgrade last night.

Has anyone else tried it?

Cheers.


-- 
Phillip Deackes
Using Storm Linux

Re: mutt+sendmail: don't want local ip in headers

[Michael P. Soulier]

On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 10:08:22AM -0700, Krzys Majewski wrote:

> I want people to think my mail is coming from cs.ubc.ca. 

Not a problem. I want people to think my mail is coming from storm.ca, so
this goes in my /etc/mail/sendmail.mc

FEATURE(masquerade_envelope)dnl
MASQUERADE_AS(storm.ca)dnl

Rebuilding the file is a pain, but I just used /usr/sbin/sendmailconfig,
and answered its questions. 

Mike

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"...the word HACK is used as a verb to indicate a massive amount
of nerd-like effort."  -Harley Hahn, A Student's Guide to UNIX
PGP Public Key: http://www.storm.ca/~msoulier/personal.html

Re: I have apt on RH, now i want dselect (or capt or sth. like that)

[Piotr Krukowiecki]

On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 11:07:57AM -0700, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 01:27:40PM -0400, David Z. Maze ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
> wrote:
> > Karsten M Self  writes:
> > KMS> On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 05:42:41PM +0200, Piotr Krukowiecki ([EMAIL 
> > PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >  PK> I have installed apt on RedHat, it works ok (e.g apt-get update
> >  PK> && apt-get -d install sth)
> > KMS> 
> > KMS> Using two different package management systems on a single system
> > KMS> is a ***BAD*** idea.  You are violating the fundamental advantage
> > KMS> of either system: single-point, centralized coordination of
> > KMS> packages and dependencies on the system.
> > 
> > It sounds like what he's actually trying to do is to install APT on a

Not "trying", it works ok. :)

> > machine with good connectivity, and using APT in download-only mode to 
> > download packages to local disk.  He then copies the files to some
> > other medium, uses SneakerNet to bring them over to his machine
> > without connectivity, and installs them locally.
> > 
> > This is all well and good and reasonable, but I don't know how to
> > answer his question.  :-)
> 
> man apt-zip?
> 
> I haven't used it, but my understanding is that this is what it's for.
> You make your requests on the Debian box, then sneakernet storage from
> some other box, though I don't know what it wants on it.

No, my question was different. Downloading, moving and installing is not
a problem (i'm following /usr/share/doc/apt/offline.txt.gz).

But now i'd like to have dselect, console-apt or aptitiude installed on
RH system. I tried to install capt, but it failed (see my first mail)
I don't know whether i need dpkg installed first or not (iirc there is
dpkg for non-debian systems).


Thanks

-- 
Piotrek  (@ ~)
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Re: Filtering mail in Mutt

[Glyn Millington]

On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 11:47:48PM -0700, thus spake RenX99:
> 
> I am relatively new to debian and currently I have Mutt
> set up to recieve my email.  The MTA I have running is exim
> and I am fetching mail with fetchmail.  
> 
> Here's my problem, I get a lot of mail and need to filter it 
> into different folders but I am having problems figuring it out.
> Someone suggesting procmail but I have no clue where to start, any 
> have suggestions or ideas?
> 
> RenX99

With Mutt and procmail you've got the best combination that I've found so
far. 

Take a  look at Telsa's site for both - she has a .muttrc file and
.procmailrc file very heavily commented to explain exactly what's going on.
You can use them, with adjustments, till you really get into it.

http://roadrunner.swansea.linux.org.uk/~hobbit/cave.html

HTH

Glyn

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Re: Netscape 4.75 with 128 bit encryption?

[Brad]

On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 06:12:43PM +0200, Andreas Goesele wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> so far I use an "alien" rpm package of netscape with 128 bit
> encryption. I would like to switch to a secure (that is version 4.75)
> deb package.
> 
> Are the netscape version under www.debian.org/security/2000/2901
> 128 bit? If not, is there a place to find 128 bit debian packages?

Couldn't tell you about the ones in the location you specify, but the
woody versions appear to be.

To find out, install the packages in question and go to
https://www.fortify.net/cgi-bin/ssl_2



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Re: PHP joy at last!

[Steve Simons]

On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 17:02:12 Chris Gray wrote:
 
> If it's a well-made package, there is usually an uninstall rule in the
> Makefile.  Just "make uninstall" and you're on your way.  

Unfortunately there isn't one - I'd already tried it :(

Does anyone have a map of the dirs/files created so I can remove them manually?

Re: update-inetd problem

[Dwight Johnson]

On Sat, 14 Oct 2000, Michael P. Soulier wrote:

> On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 09:26:57AM -0700, Dwight Johnson wrote:
> > 
> > That's what I have always done on my Red Hat and SuSE installations. But
> > on Debian 2.2, my inetd.conf file does not have a telnet entry to uncomment
> > and the inetd.conf file begins with a commented caution to not change it
> > except using 'update-inetd'.
 
> > What does your inetd.conf telnet entry look like?
> 
> #telnet stream  tcp nowait  telnetd.telnetd /usr/sbin/tcpd
> /usr/sbin/in.telnetd

What package is in.telnetd in? It's not in the telnet package -- I have
that one.
 
> > I would have tried that too, but 'apt-get install ssh' is unable to find
> > the package on my 2.2 CD set.
> 
> It's in non-us on the ftp site. 
> 
> http://www.debian.org/Packages/stable/non-us/ssh.html
> 
> Try this:
> 
> echo "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US potato/non-US main contrib
> non-free" >> /etc/apt/sources.list
> 
> apt-get update
> apt-get install ssh

That worked a treat as the Aussies say. :-)

The install did not make an entry in my inetd.conf file. May I see yours?

Thanks,
Dwight
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Dwight Johnson
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