Re: Apache-newby

2000-07-27 Thread Johann Spies
Adrian,

> try http://127.0.0.1

Thanks for your reply.  The result on both lynx and netscape is the
same:


   Error 404

   Not found - file doesn't exist or is read protected [even tried
   multi]
 _


CERN-HTTPD 3.0A

Johann


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RE: is there a midi/wav plugin for Netscape?

2000-07-27 Thread Jaye Inabnit ke6sls

I used dselect and searched for plugger. After the upgrade to potato
a few months back, plugger was broken. So I used dselect to remove
and then reinstalled it. Plugger will show 'dependencies' for timidity and
many others. Very clean way to do the install. 

On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Pollywog wrote:
> I forgot, I had to install Timidity before installing Plugger, for it to work.
> 
> --
> Andrew
> 
> On 26-Jul-2000 Pollywog wrote:
> > 
> > On 25-Jul-2000 Christophe Broult wrote:
> >> 
> >> A friend send me the URL of a greeting card which included some
> >> sound. I was unable to hear the sound because Netscape complained that
> >> there was no plugin for midi/wav sound.
> >> 
> >> How can I configure Netscape to play some sound?
> > 
> > Do you have Plugger installed?  I believe that is what plays midi sounds on
> > my
> > machine, though not wav.
> > 
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Re: run arbitrary program as screensaver?

2000-07-27 Thread Christophe Broult
What about using the `setiathome' package?

# apt-get install setiathome

Chris

setiathome

Krzys Majewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Anyone know of a way to run an arbitrary program as the screensaver?
> Two applications that have come to mind are setiathome and something like 
> acidwarp. I'm really more interested in the first. In fact, I see no 
> other practical way to run setiathome on a typical home machine. 
> -chris

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Re: Command Line on logout

2000-07-27 Thread Joey Tsai

> > remove the reference to XDM in the startup scripts, deinstall XDM, or remove
> > the symlinks to XDM in /etc/rcX.d directories (this just prevents it from
> > starting, does not remove it).
> 
> A more elegant (IMO) solution is to modify /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers.

I personally think the most elegant way to do this is the "debian way" and use
"update-rc.d" to remove xdm (or gdm for helixgnomers) from the startup.

// jt



Re: Help(!) with Slink install -- disk repartitioning problem

2000-07-27 Thread John Pearson
On Wed, Jul 26, 2000 at 11:41:55PM -0400, Christopher Lee wrote
> 
> *cc me on any replys, since I am not subscribed to debian-user*
> 
> Please read this if you know something about hard-disk partitioning,
> and think you can tell us where the "mystery 2 Gigs" went.  My wife is
> a little stressed-out that I may be messing-up her computer
> 
> I'm installing Slink on my wife's laptop (I have the CDs lying around,
> and will upgrade it to Potato later).  She has a HP Omnibook 4150
> Laptop with a 10Gig HD running Windows 95, which I am modifying to
> work as a dual-boot machine.
> 
[snip]

The long and the short of it is that cfdisk doesn't deal
properly with disks over 8Gb; you should use the comand line
fdisk to create the partition, just as you used it to delete the
fips'd partition.  Don't forget to create a swap partition, as
well as a Linux partition.

If you do so, you may then want to select "Partition a Hard
Disk" but quit cfdisk without making any changes, to con the
installer into taking you to the next step ("Initialize a swap
partition").

Because you are installing beyond the area supporeted by
conventional BIOSes, booting Linux directly from the hard disk
may take a little work (booting from Windows using loadlin
should be fine); be sure to make a boot floppy when prompted
rather than/instead of installing Lilo on your hard disk, so
that you can reboot your new system.


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Re: mount problem

2000-07-27 Thread Thomas Guettler
On Wed, Jul 26, 2000 at 09:29:35PM -0700, Dale Morris wrote:
> I made a mistake installing debian and I selected the fs -automount
> module. Now my floppy won't mount from the icon on the desktop. I
> suppose I need to change something in my fstab file to fix it. Also, I
> can't mount my cd rom, but I didn't configure anything into the kernel
> for cdrom modules. Can I mount the floppy with a command line
> sequence? I'll rtfm.
> thanks

I always mount the floppy by command line:
> mount /floppy
line in etc/fstab:
/dev/fd0/floppy autodefaults,user,noauto0   0

See "man mount" for more information.
For dos-floppies I use mtools.


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keyboard probs

2000-07-27 Thread john-mark



I have installed debian Linux and the keyboard as 
U.S. English qwerty
however I have a uk English keyboard there didn't 
seem to be a  UK keyboard available.
Now I have a few problems with some characters on 
the keyboard most problematic is the pipe redirector | which selects  a 
> whenever I use it this is frustration I noticed on the keyboard 
configuration dialogue that there was something to configure they key after 
installing the base system called kbdconfig. However there are no manuals on 
this command and I am at a loss as to how to use it.
any help much appreciated thanks 
jm


Re: Changing NICs

2000-07-27 Thread Thomas Guettler
On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 02:02:13PM +1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> Could someone please give me instructions on how to go about changing 
> NICs as I believe that the ones in the computer is faulty. At present, 
> they are using ISA 3Com Etherlink III and I am changing them to PCI D-
> link DFE-530TX+
> 
> I believe that there are drivers (is it called drivers in Linux too?) 
> on the disk provided.

Haven't seen a NIC which comes with linux drivers yet.
Install howtos, look into:
/usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-txt/Ethernet-HOWTO.txt



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[OFF-TOPIC] Debian developer (me) seeking employment

2000-07-27 Thread Ionutz Borcoman
Hi,

I am currently a master student at the Hokkaido University, Japan. My
specialty is physics, but I have discovered a couple of months ago 
that what I really like is programming.

I will finish the master course in April 2001, but as my colleagues
advised my, I've already started looking for my future job.

You'll find below my on-line resume at:

http://borco-ei.eng.hokudai.ac.jp/~borco/resume/

I've been a Debian developer for more than a year and a member of VDK
developing team almost since VDK was publicly released. My dream job
would be to make video editing software in C++ with VDK under Linux.

If you know a company that might have an opening for me, please let me
by sending me a *private* e-mail. 

TIA,

Ionutz
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Re: Help(!) with Slink install -- disk repartitioning problem

2000-07-27 Thread Morten Liebach
On Wed, Jul 26, 2000 at 11:41:55PM -0400, Christopher Lee wrote:
> 
> *cc me on any replys, since I am not subscribed to debian-user*
> 
> Please read this if you know something about hard-disk partitioning,
> and think you can tell us where the "mystery 2 Gigs" went.  My wife is
> a little stressed-out that I may be messing-up her computer
> 
> I'm installing Slink on my wife's laptop (I have the CDs lying around,
> and will upgrade it to Potato later).  She has a HP Omnibook 4150
> Laptop with a 10Gig HD running Windows 95, which I am modifying to
> work as a dual-boot machine.
> 
> We used fips to shrink the DOS partition to 6 Gigs, and booted off the
> Slink CD to install Debian.  When we got to the disk repartitioning
> step of the install, cfdisk complained that the hard drive had
> inconsistent partition information and wouldn't run.  Undaunted (maybe
> stupidly), I shelled-out from the install program and ran ordinary
> fdisk, and removed the new partition that fips had split off from the
> original DOS partition.  After this, cfdisk ran, but it reported that
> we only had a little less than 2 Gigs left on the disk -- since it is
> a 10Gig drive, and we left 6 Gigs for Win95, we thought we should have
> 4 Gigs for Linux, not 2Gigs.

Hi.

I think it's the dreaded 8G limit you've hit, I get the same when I try
to partition with my SuSE-6.4 CD, but my SuSE-6.2 CD  can see my full
disk, I don't know why.
I allways use SuSE 6.2 to do such stuff, I know it works well, and it
doesn't have a stupid and comlpicated X GUI ...

You should try an alternative diskpartitioning program, and it doesn't
have to be partition commander, just another linux fdisk _could_ do it.

HTH
Morten

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Re: Help(!) with Slink install -- disk repartitioning problem

2000-07-27 Thread virtanen
On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, John Pearson wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 26, 2000 at 11:41:55PM -0400, Christopher Lee wrote
> > 
> > *cc me on any replys, since I am not subscribed to debian-user*
> > 
> > Please read this if you know something about hard-disk partitioning,
> > and think you can tell us where the "mystery 2 Gigs" went.  My wife is
> > a little stressed-out that I may be messing-up her computer
> > 
> > I'm installing Slink on my wife's laptop (I have the CDs lying around,
> > and will upgrade it to Potato later).  She has a HP Omnibook 4150
> > Laptop with a 10Gig HD running Windows 95, which I am modifying to
> > work as a dual-boot machine.
> > 
> [snip]
> 
> The long and the short of it is that cfdisk doesn't deal
> properly with disks over 8Gb; you should use the comand line
> fdisk to create the partition, just as you used it to delete the
> fips'd partition.  Don't forget to create a swap partition, as
> well as a Linux partition.

Not so 'debian' solution, but this might work: 
You might try using for the first install Corel 1.1. That might be able to
find all the lost part of the disk. It is based on debian, so you can go
back to debian from corel. You can find the whole corel thing from the
internet or by one cheap cd from cheapbytes or... 

If it isn't working you'll loose very little anyway. 

hvirtane



Re: Setting up DNS for virtual domains

2000-07-27 Thread Sanjeev Gupta

At 09:23 AM 7/26/2000 -0400, Mostly Harmless wrote:

I'm going to try to explain this as bast I can though my understanding
of a lot of these issues is shaky at best.



I help admin the student computing organization's servers at my school.
We would like to offer full virtual domain service to our users, but we
do not have a 2nd level domain -- our main domain is wso.williams.edu,
also known as gertrude.williams.edu. For now, we ask the school's tech
guys to change the DNS whenever we need to a new computer. I'm
comfortable staying with that arrangement, but a lot of users have
registered domains with places that don't provide DNS service. We can't
get the school DNS to change every time this happens, so we've decided
to set up our main machine as DNS Nameserver. There's two main issues as
I see them -- the actual DNS configuration on the gertrude and getting
the machine "known" as a Nameserver out in the wide world.


Yes.  Exactly.


Issue 1: I've looked far and wide on the Internet (probably not far and
wide enough) for resources telling me how to set up virtual domain
service. Most of the examples are for Bind 4.x which make things tough
(we're running 8). Essentially, we'd just like to have a lot of
different domains point to the same IP: gertrude's. We'll sort it all
out with Apache later (I can handle that part). But I just can't seem to
figure out how to do this -- we won't be providing DNS service for
the name gertrude.williams.edu or wso.williams.edu -- we just want to
specify 10-20 domains that should point to gertrude's IP. I think I need
a resource zone file for each domain (all based on some template) but
I'm having trouble. If anyone could point me in the direction of a
sample named.conf and a resource file or two for someone in my situation
I'd be really grateful.


I assume wso is the canonical name, I will use that.  I am also going to be 
using the BIND 8 format, named.conf, not named.boot, as that is the 
recommended for Debian now.


Most importantly, the potato BIND has all his files in /etc/bind, so I will 
follow that.  Use updatedb and locate to find files in other versions.


Set up BIND on wso.  Use the Debian package, install the default, caching, 
forward only.


For each domain that you are going to provide a NS for, do the following:

In /etc/bind/named.conf , add the stanza
---
zone "DOMAIN.com." {
type master;
file "/etc/bind/db.DOMAIN.com";
};
---
Substituting the actual 2nd level name domain for DOMAIN.com.  Notice final 
"." on the zone line.


In /etc/bind, create a file called db.DOMAIN.com , and populate it as 
follows (lines with a # prefix are comments for you, strip from file):

---
;Zone file for DOMAIN.com.
@ IN  SOA wso.williams.edu. jredburn.wso.williams.edu. (
# The ".", not "@" after jredburn is correct
251601  ; serial, todays date + todays 
serial #
# I like using MMDDxx for Serial, update each time you toch 
this file

3600; refresh, seconds
600 ; retry, seconds
345600  ; expire, seconds
36000 ) ; minimum, seconds
 IN  NS  wso.williams.edu.
MX  10 wso.williams.edu.
# If you want to recieve mail for them.  Else remove line above.

www   A   IP.ADDRESS.OF.WSO
  MX  10 wso.williams.edu.
# As above
LOC 41 50 0 N 87 35 0 W
# You will, of course, change this ;-)

ftp IN  CNAME   www
---

This will ensure that anyone asking wso for the adderss of www.DOMAIN.com. 
will be returned wso's address.



Issue 2: As I understand it, none of this means much unless I can
specify gertrude as the nameserver for these domains. Currently, I'm
told she's not a valid nameserver. Does this mean I need to get the
person who runs DNS for gertrude (the school) to edit the DNS records
just this once and specify gertrude as a Nameserver? What exactly should
I ask them to do? They tend to be pretty helpful as long as I know what
I need done.


One thing, actually.  Go to Network Solutions Register page.  Fill up a 
Host template for WSO.williams.edu.  When you get a mail from them, forward 
it to your Tech guys, who are in charge of the williams.edu zone.  Once the 
approve it, and send it to NSI, wso.williams.edu will be a "Host".


Ask all DOMAIN.com. holders to specify the name wso.williams.edu and its IP 
address in their registrar's configuration.



thanks much if any of you made it this far,
jeremy

A CC: on any reply would be much appreciated - thanks.


Done.

I must say that you, or the Administrator of wso, is a very generous 
chap.  Most Administrators balk at giving users public_html access, you are 
willing to set up Virtual hosts!!


Hope this helps

-- Ghane



time is off by 1 hour

2000-07-27 Thread Mathew Johnston
my timezone file contains Canada/Eastern

when i type date, it tells me that its EST, not EDT like it should (i
think)

so when I run ntpdate it gives me the time, minus 1 hour.

any ideas as to how to fix this? Thanks :)

Mathew Johnston



Re: time is off by 1 hour

2000-07-27 Thread Fabio Massimo Di Nitto
Hi Mathew,
take a look both to man hwclock and date.
I got the same problem and i fixed it with hwclock.
Since I live in italy i've a different timezone so i cannot be sure
about EST or EDT, sorry.

Fabio

Mathew Johnston wrote:
> my timezone file contains Canada/Eastern
> when i type date, it tells me that its EST, not EDT like it should (i
> think)
> so when I run ntpdate it gives me the time, minus 1 hour.
> any ideas as to how to fix this? Thanks :)
> 
> Mathew Johnston

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Apache-www-pages protection?

2000-07-27 Thread virtanen

as a newbie for running apache I wanted to know an easy method to give
access to certain web-pages for restricted selected users only (using
passwords). 

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Re: PHP4 functions

2000-07-27 Thread Sven Gaerner
Hi Alan,

thanks for your idea. I will try it but why does the other function not exist.
In the PHP manual it says this function is available since version 3.0x.

I think this is a little bit strange...

Bye,

Sven



zeus and debian.

2000-07-27 Thread Marc-Adrian Napoli
hi there,

we are running zeus 3.3.6a and debian linux 2.0.36.

we have recently installed perl 5.6.0 and are having problems with the zeus
server not responding at various times.

has anyone had a similar experience with this combination? a ps and vmstat
at the time of the crash doesn't show anything spectacular (except on a
number of occasions when it has crashed a perl 5.6 process has been seen
running a .cgi)

Regards,

Marc-Adrian Napoli
Network Admin
Connect Infobahn Australia
+61 2 9281 1750





Re: Problem with X

2000-07-27 Thread Torrey Peacock

James,
I have a Rage 128 Pro card (XPert2000 Pro) and have got it working with 
XFree86 version 3.3.6.  The tip on David St. Clair's page was crucial, of 
adding "ChipId 0x5246" to the "Device" section of XF86Config.  With that 
modification, the r128 driver will work.


How did you manage to install 4.01?  The Debian package is not available 
yet, and I could not get the source to compile - too many broken 
dependencies.


Torrey


At 05:46 PM 7/26/00 -0300, James Polson wrote:
(snipped)

Hi,

I'm still trying to setup X windows and make it compatible
with my ATI Rage 128 Pro video card. This card is not supported
with the XFree86 software supplied with slink Debian linux.
Fortunately, I found help on the web (David St. Clair at
http://www4.ncsu.edu/~distclai/rage128-howto.html) who
wrote a configuation tool to setup XF86Config. The problem
is that it only works with XFree86 4.x - so I installed the
4.0.1 (?)  version (the most recent available). So I constructed
a proper(?) XF86Config and ran startx. The result: it looks
okay - but everything is frozen. The system locks. Hmmm.




Re: Unthinkable routing problem

2000-07-27 Thread Nagarjuna G.
On 26 Jul 2000, Ian Zimmerman wrote:

->> "Nagarjuna" == Nagarjuna G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
->
->Nagarjuna> It is unthinkable for us that a machine can forward packets
->Nagarjuna> without itself able to approach the router. !!!  Pl mail if
->Nagarjuna> you require more information on this.
->
->Post the output of "netstat -rn" on the gateway.  You can alter it to
->protect the innocent, but take care to substitute equals for equals,
->and only.

The output:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ netstat -rn
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags   MSS Window  irtt Iface
123.111.44.128  0.0.0.0 255.255.255.128 U 0 0  0 eth1
123.111.44.00.0.0.0 255.255.255.128 U 0 0  0 eth0
0.0.0.0 158.144.44.126  0.0.0.0 UG0 0  0 eth0

BTW, I have managed to make the routing work, but I have not understood HOW?
I have changed the IP of the router from 123.111.44.126 to 123.111.44.100,
lo and behold everything started working as usual.

Nagarjuna




Re: Crontab

2000-07-27 Thread Michael Soulier
On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I've just got a couple of queries about the use of cron. Firstly, is
> it what I should be using it for automated execution or is there
> something better? Secondly, what should I be doing from a security
> point of view, is it fine to have root running automated commands if
> root access is needed for the commands? And last of all, how
> extensively do people use this? Is it something people use to
> routinely check mail services are running, check mail queues, proxies
> etc?
> 

Where I work, cron runs everything. We have the entire department
automated, between generating web pages, to backing up logs. We have about
10 crons on about 5 workstations keeping things working. 

Mike

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lessons of science, is better than religious exercises."
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HP DeskJet 600 (please reply private)

2000-07-27 Thread A. Demarteau \(linux rules!\)
hi debian users,
does any of you have a HP DescJet 600?
If so, I'm interrested in printcap files and which printer packages you
have installed (i.e. lprng magicfilter e.d.).
I'm also interested in the fact if and as specially (cause "if" I think is
possible) how to print color-pages with this type of printer.
I got a color-incholder with it when I bought it, but when I replace the
black/white holder with the color one, no color image was printed.

Any help would be very welcome.
As said in the topic, please reply privately as I'm not a list-member.
regrads,

---
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RE: VPN

2000-07-27 Thread Chris Mason
The firewall would be IPCHAINS setup with PMfirewall. It's an office network
and the owner wants to be able to access the accounts data and run the
accounts program on her laptop while connected to the internet aboad over a
secure tunnel through the firewall to a fileserver. I don't see why the data
can't be in a directory on the firewall, but others have told me not to do
this.
The firewall will allow email in and out, web traffic, and will run no
external services except for SSH.
The Owner will us Windows on the laptop, the accounts program will be MYOB,
and it must be a multiuser setup with filelocking, which I beleive MYOB will
do itself.
I do something very similar, in that my accounts data is on a Debian server,
I use Quickbooks in Multi-user mode, so I don;t think that is a problem.
The biggest problem is how to tunnel in through a firewall to an internal
machine using windows on each end and the firewall in the middle.

Chris Mason
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-Original Message-
From: Phil Brutsche [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 12:58 AM
To: Chris Mason
Cc: Debian-User
Subject: Re: VPN


A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far way, someone said...

> Is there a way to VPN windows machines through a Debian machihne acting as
> firewall?

More information, please: what precisely does the firewall do, and how
precisely do the Windows machines need to connect?

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Re: hardware question

2000-07-27 Thread Dan Hutchinson
Abit makes a nice dual pentium board.
B6-P I think.  You can go to www.pricewatch.com to view different vendors.

Dan

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> a dual CPU and using SMP.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: time is off by 1 hour

2000-07-27 Thread Patrick Dahiroc
run tzconfig as root and follow the instructions.  also do NOT forget
to set the environmental variable TZ in your .bash_profile.

On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 05:04:20AM -0400, Mathew Johnston wrote:
> my timezone file contains Canada/Eastern
> 
> when i type date, it tells me that its EST, not EDT like it should (i
> think)
> 
> so when I run ntpdate it gives me the time, minus 1 hour.
> 
> any ideas as to how to fix this? Thanks :)
> 
> Mathew Johnston
> 
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Re: mount problem

2000-07-27 Thread Dale Morris
Thanks for replying Thomas,
Here's what I already have in my fstab file:
/dev/fd0/floppy autodefaults,user,noauto0   0
When I try to mount it manually here's what I get:
mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified

For some reason it's not mount the ext2 file system, any ideas?

thanks
dale

Thomas Guettler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2000 at 09:29:35PM -0700, Dale Morris wrote:
> > I made a mistake installing debian and I selected the fs -automount
> > module. Now my floppy won't mount from the icon on the desktop. I
> > suppose I need to change something in my fstab file to fix it. Also, I
> > can't mount my cd rom, but I didn't configure anything into the kernel
> > for cdrom modules. Can I mount the floppy with a command line
> > sequence? I'll rtfm.
> > thanks
> 
> I always mount the floppy by command line:
> > mount /floppy
> line in etc/fstab:
> /dev/fd0/floppy autodefaults,user,noauto0 
>   0
> 
> See "man mount" for more information.
> For dos-floppies I use mtools.
> 



Re: Problem with X

2000-07-27 Thread James Polson
> Date:  Thu, 27 Jul 2000 03:15:10 -0700
> From:  Torrey Peacock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject:   Re: Problem with X
> To:James Polson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, debian-user@lists.debian.org

> James,
> I have a Rage 128 Pro card (XPert2000 Pro) and have got it working with 
> XFree86 version 3.3.6.  The tip on David St. Clair's page was crucial, of 
> adding "ChipId 0x5246" to the "Device" section of XF86Config.  With that 
> modification, the r128 driver will work.
> 
> How did you manage to install 4.01?  The Debian package is not available 
> yet, and I could not get the source to compile - too many broken 
> dependencies.
> 

I simply downloaded all the files from the XFree86 website, then
ran Xinstall.sh and answered all the questions. Am I being naive 
about this? Is there anything else I should have done?

James
 



RE: Inn

2000-07-27 Thread Christopher Clark
OK so i can 'suck' selected newsgroups.
But I have forgotten how to download the 'active' file
so that I can select appropriate new groups.
How do I do that?
regards Chris




Help for printer and colour

2000-07-27 Thread Horacio MG
Hi,

I sent this message on July 18, but I haven't seen any answer to it on
the mailing list archives.  I'm having a problem with a colour printer,
which is the following (Please, send me a Cc: as I'm NOT subscribed to
the mailing list):


I just set up a Xerox DocuPrint C15 printer with kind help from Björn
Brill (thanks) and others.  Now I can print plain text and postscript, but
postscript and PDF keeps using cyan instead of black (whereas plain text
files print ok).

Details:

- Xerox DocuPrint C15 colour printer

- can emulate HP DeskJet 500C, 550C and 690C (and, according to Xerox
  helpline, others... )

- software installed: lpr/lpd, gs-aladdin 5.50-8 and magicfilter 1.2-39

- My /etc/printcap (right now it's using the 690 filter, but I've tried
  all dj* filters):

lp|xerox|XeroX Docuprint C15:\
:lp=/dev/lp0:sd=/var/spool/lpd/xerox:\
:sh:pw#80:pl#72:px#1440:mx#0:\
:if=/etc/magicfilter/dj690c-filter:\
:af=/var/log/lp-acct:lf=/var/log/lp-errs:

Now, for postscript, both printing from GV and from the command line
through 'lpr file.ps' give me CYAN.  Same thing for pdf files through
acrobat.  I also tried printing a file.html from netscape, and the
result is the same:  if I choose colour I get cyan instead of black, and
if grayscale cyan for everything.

Can anyone tell me how to get black when I mean black?


TIA,

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Re: Apache-www-pages protection?

2000-07-27 Thread jbardin
virtanen wrote:

> as a newbie for running apache I wanted to know an easy method to give
> access to certain web-pages for restricted selected users only (using
> passwords).
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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The apache documentation has the answer for this question in ther FAQ at
www.apache.org

here is and example .htaccess for your ease... but please read and re-read the 
apache
documentation itis very thoruogh and it covers more seriuos security issues 
than what
i porpose to you today.

 begin .htaccess remiove comments when you implement
//

AuthUserFile   /usr/home/jeftep/gamesigpasswd  #path to password file created by
htpasswd
AuthName   "!leave if you don't belong!" # jsuta label
AuthType   Basic


allow from .domain.com # allow from selected domain can be a subset of an i[p 
sucha
as 192.168
require valid-user # if noit from that domain ask for a password
satisfy any # anyhting will make me happy and let you look atthe pages


 end //

remeber you web server has to be configured to allow authorization override on
.htaccess files and then just drop this inside the dir you want to protect

remeberto read teh manual and the FAQ.
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gnome

2000-07-27 Thread Christopher Clark
As user chris I have an .xsession as follows:
#!/bin/sh
panel &
gmc &
#exec sawmill
gnome-session
which seems to work ( potato cycle 1 )
but hangs on exit with no 'save etc window'
As user cgc I have an .xsession with just:
gnome-session
which seems to work ok
If I remove all the other bits from user chris, I don't get
the icons or the bottom toolbar.
I am confused.
Also, how do I add themes to sawmill?
>From gnome, it dosen't recognise sawmill themes and wont even transfer
to an . directory i.e. .sawmill to select a theme.
regards Chris




Re: volume control

2000-07-27 Thread jbardin
Michael Soulier wrote:

> Hey guys. My SB Live! Value card is working fine now. Loaded the
> emu module just fine. However, my volume control isn't working. I've tried
> in both xmms and xmcd, and neither one has a working volume control. This
> worked in Mandrake 7.0.
>
> Ideas?
>
> Mike
>
> "To listen to the words of the learned, and to instill into others the
> lessons of science, is better than religious exercises."
> -- Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
>
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In XMMS you can go into the preferences and tell it to control the "Master" 
volume
and not the "pcm" the "master" volume controls the mixer that sends the signal 
to
your speakers.. its aboutthe same thing as the windows little speaker in your
systray. I recomend also installing the wmixer if you run Wmaker casue then you 
can
load it up and drag it to your shortcut panel on the right and set it to load 
when
wmaker starts so you have itthere and you can adjust your levels it supports 
cdrom
bass treble micropohone master violmuve and i think all those extra effects 
that come
with the sblive turn out to be "chanels" on the wmixer so you have lots of 
things to
play with a and to tweak your sound. but basically what you need is a "Mixer"
controller so if you look up on debian.org or do a search through dselect for 
"mix"
you will find what you want.
b.t.y. i have a sblive and it rocks

-Jon
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Missing something with gnomecc and xscreensaver

2000-07-27 Thread Robert L. Harris


Ok,
  This works on the rest of my machines so I'm lost.

  I can start the gnomecc and select screen saver, then change settings.
On my wife's box, if I select screen saver, I get a blank grey box.  I've
removed and added xscreensaver, no change.  This is a "woody" box, latest
updates availabe.

Robert


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Re: PHP4 functions

2000-07-27 Thread jbardin
Sven Gaerner wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I installed Apache and PHP4 and several modules for PHP4.
> Everything works but I need to know if a special module is loaded. In the
> PHP4 Manual on the PHP website it says you can use the function
>   bool extension_loaded(string module);
> When I tried this I received an error that I tried to call an undefined
> function.
>
> Did someone have an idea?
> Please CC possible answers to me because I'm not subscribed.
> Thanks.
>
> Bye,
>
> Sven
>
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Would this module happen to be the GD librarys and are yu trying to make GIF 
images
on the fly casue i had the same problem when i upgrade to PHP4 and come to 
relize
that the  owner of teh GIF file format threaten to sue the writers of the GD 
librarys
so they took it out of there later releases and come to find out that the later
realeases are whats includeed inthe php4 version of the gd libs. i hope this 
helps.

-Jon
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Re: Using Partition Magic with Debian

2000-07-27 Thread Felix Natter
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Has anyone used Partition Magic in order to resize partitions under
> Debian?  The software claims to support resizing Linux EXT2 filesystems,
> etc, but will I trash my system if I do so?  I used Norton Ghost to image
> my system from a 2.1 gig drive to an 8.4 gig drive and it's working great
> so far, but I have all this slack space I would like to assign to various
> partitions, /usr etc.
> 
> So, has anyone done this sucessfully and/or have alternate methods that
> can be used to add slack space to existing partitions?

GNU parted/Mandrake's diskdrake can do this:
http://www.gnu.org

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Re: Apache-www-pages protection... now working

2000-07-27 Thread virtanen
On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> virtanen wrote:
> 
> > as a newbie for running apache I wanted to know an easy method to give
> > access to certain web-pages for restricted selected users only (using
> > passwords).
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
___

> The apache documentation has the answer for this question in ther FAQ at
> www.apache.org
> 
> here is and example 
.htaccess for your ease... but please read and re-read the apache
> documentation itis very thoruogh and it covers more seriuos security 
issues than what
i porpose to you today.
> 
>  begin .htaccess remiove comments when you implement
> //
> 
AuthUserFile   /usr/home/jeftep/gamesigpasswd  
#path to password file created by htpasswd
AuthName   "!leave if you don't belong!" # jsuta label
AuthType   Basic
 

allow from .domain.com # allow from selected domain can be a subset of an
i[p sucha as 192.168
require valid-user 
# if noit from that domain ask for a password
satisfy any 
# anyhting will make me happy and let you look atthe pages

___

It was really hard to find, what was wrong. The FAQ was not very helpful. 

I had tried many times to write this .htaccess file and creating passwords
as well, but I did not know that:

 
I had to change in 
/etc/apache/htaccess.conf 

the line: 
AllowOverride None 
for the line: 
AllowOverride All


and stop and start the apache server... 

Now it is done and working. 
Thanks all. 

[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: run arbitrary program as screensaver?

2000-07-27 Thread Bill Warner
>
> I run setiathome all the time and not just as a screen saver.
> just run the console version and rederect the output to /dev/null
>
> setiathome > /dev/null 2> /dev/null
>
> and then set the nice to 19
>
> renice  19
>
> and forget about it.
>
> Bill Warner
>
> Christophe Broult wrote:
>
> > What about using the `setiathome' package?
> >
> > # apt-get install setiathome
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > setiathome
> >
> > Krzys Majewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > Anyone know of a way to run an arbitrary program as the screensaver?
> > > Two applications that have come to mind are setiathome and something
> like
> > > acidwarp. I'm really more interested in the first. In fact, I see no
> > > other practical way to run setiathome on a typical home machine.
> > > -chris
> >
> > --
> > "Man is distinguished from all other creatures by
> > the faculty of laughter."
> > - Joseph Addison
> >
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Re: run arbitrary program as screensaver?

2000-07-27 Thread Richard Black
If you use xscreensaver you can simply get it to run a program by including a 
line in
your .xscreensaver file.  Fir example, I get it to run qiv to cycle over a set 
of
images via:

more ~/.xscreensaver
programs: \
  /usr/bin/X11/qiv -sfid 2.5 ~/Slideshows/almworkshop/* \n

cheers

Richard

Christophe Broult wrote:

> What about using the `setiathome' package?
>
> # apt-get install setiathome
>
> Chris
>
> setiathome
>
> Krzys Majewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Anyone know of a way to run an arbitrary program as the screensaver?
> > Two applications that have come to mind are setiathome and something like
> > acidwarp. I'm really more interested in the first. In fact, I see no
> > other practical way to run setiathome on a typical home machine.
> > -chris
>
> --
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> the faculty of laughter."
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RE[2]: Inn

2000-07-27 Thread Bob Bernstein
Christopher Clark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> OK so i can 'suck' selected newsgroups.
> But I have forgotten how to download the 'active' file
> so that I can select appropriate new groups.

Active files tend to be huge these days, and you don't need one to subscribe
suck to a group; just put it in sucknewsrc. Otoh, if you really want to look
at the active list, use the utility 'testhost' that is part of the suck
package: 'testhost some.news.host -a'

The suck-inn combination usually takes a little while to get configured
correctly; at least that is my experience. Once set up, it works like a charm.
If you're confident your inn install is working ok, i.e. you can post and read
to local groups, then take a shot at suck. The suck list would be good place
to continue your search for answers. (Which is why I recommend building from
source; the list regulars are always working with the current stuff.)


--
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Re: Apache-www-pages pr... now working

2000-07-27 Thread virtanen
On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, virtanen wrote:


> It was really hard to find, what was wrong. The FAQ was not very helpful. 
> 
> I had tried many times to write this .htaccess file and creating passwords
> as well, but I did not know that:
> 
>  
> I had to change in 
> /etc/apache/htaccess.conf 
> 
> the line: 
> AllowOverride None 
> for the line: 
> AllowOverride All
> 
> 
> and stop and start the apache server... 
> 
> Now it is done and working. 
> Thanks all. 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

_

To explain it a little bit more detailed (maybe this will help somebody):

I did it using really basic ways:

1)
I created an ".htaccess" file:

AuthUserFile /var/www/flist/.htpasswd
AuthGroupFile /var/www/flist/.htgroup
AuthName ByPassword
AuthType Basic

require group these-users


2)
and then I made an ".htgroup" file:
 
these-users: matti pekka heikki

3)
And created the passwords... 

htpasswd .htpasswd heikki
htpasswd .htpasswd matti
htpasswd .htpasswd pekka


4) 
Changed in:
/etc/apache/access.conf

the line 
"AllowOwerride None"
into
"AllowOwerride All"

5)
Stopped and started apache... 

(I know that the .htpasswd file should be somewhere else for security
reasons, but I just wanted to see, if it will work... and it worked.) 


The more modern methods to do the same suggested in Apache documentation
FAQ... what are the other security issues besides the places of the files? 
What should be done otherwise? 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] 



Re: run arbitrary program as screensaver?

2000-07-27 Thread Krzys Majewski
I did that a few months ago, but it did not come with a screen-saver
option.  What  I  did  now  is  download the  xseti  tarball  and  the
xscreensaver package, together they do  the job (although they do more
than what  I wanted, which  is just to  have setiathome run in  the bg
when the screen blank). Two other options I researched are:
- a  script which looks  in /proc/loadavg and  starts/stops setiathome
when the 5-/1-minute load average is low/high
- a script which looks  in /proc/interrupts and starts setiathome when
the kbd and mouse interrupt values haven't changed for a while,
then stops it as soon as they do. 

-chris



On 26 Jul 2000, Christophe Broult wrote:

> What about using the `setiathome' package?
> 
> # apt-get install setiathome
> 
> Chris
> 
> setiathome
> 
> Krzys Majewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Anyone know of a way to run an arbitrary program as the screensaver?
> > Two applications that have come to mind are setiathome and something like 
> > acidwarp. I'm really more interested in the first. In fact, I see no 
> > other practical way to run setiathome on a typical home machine. 
> > -chris
> 
> -- 
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> the faculty of laughter."
> - Joseph Addison
> 
> 
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Re: ReiserFS with Debian (Potato)?

2000-07-27 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 08:03:11AM -0200, John Leuner wrote:
> Then I tried to extract a tar.gz file from an NFS mount onto my (reiser)
> home partition. Worked fine, but when I tried to build the application
> (dosemu-1.0.1) the configure script got stuck and filled up the entire 2.5
> gig partition. 
> 
> I extracted the same file to /var/ (which was still ext2) and of course
> then it worked.
> 
> I don't know where I should file this bug though, since I don't really
> know where the problem was.

tar has known issues with reiserfs; it's possible you tickled one of
those.

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Unidentified subject!

2000-07-27 Thread David Teague

Folks, 

I have a question from a buddy who asks the following question,
which I could not help him with. I have had wonderful support, 
I hope one of you can help him. 

Send flames to me for any lack of information, I'll ask him for what
you need. It ain't his fault ;)

Please send answers to both of us. [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Victor asks:

. I am trying to compile a very minimal Linux kernel for a 486 with
. limited memory and disk space. It will just be a simple networking
. gateway.

. I have compiled a monolithic kernel that seems to run
. ok but it has a small problem...

. The rc.sysinit script invokes the command:

. mount -a -t nonfs, smbfs, ncpfs, proc

. This produces an error message:

. mount: fs type devpts not supported by kernel
.
. This error message results from attempting
. to mount the nonfs filesystem mentioned in this
. mount command.
.
. The mount man page says that something is mounted on /dev/pts but
. I don't know what that is.
.
. Can you tell me what filesystem, or other support
. needs to be included in the kernel configuration to
. fix this, or is it even needed?

. Thanks,
. Victor Stiles
. e-mail me at
. [EMAIL PROTECTED] or
. [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: Tape backup software?

2000-07-27 Thread kmself
On Tue, Jul 25, 2000 at 09:04:53AM -0600, Gary Hennigan wrote:
> "Andrew McRobert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I have to say that i find that "tar" covers all bases pretty well ...
> > depends what you're used to I guess.
> 
> There's at least one issue with tar that's kept me from using it, you
> don't want to use software compression with tar. Tar compresses
> globally, which means that the whole of the archive is considered one
> big compressed file. If something happens to the beginning of the tape
> you wouldn't be able to recover any of the data on that tape. This is
> in contrast to something like afio which compresses a single file at a
> time and then copies it to tape. Of course if you have hardware
> compression, or a lot of tapes, this may not be an issue.

Bingo on HW compression.  With tape archives in general, I'd advocate
reliability over compression anyway.

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Re: Command Line on logout

2000-07-27 Thread kmself
On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 02:30:27AM -0400, Joey Tsai wrote:
> 
> > > remove the reference to XDM in the startup scripts, deinstall XDM, or 
> > > remove
> > > the symlinks to XDM in /etc/rcX.d directories (this just prevents it from
> > > starting, does not remove it).
> > 
> > A more elegant (IMO) solution is to modify /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers.
> 
> I personally think the most elegant way to do this is the "debian way" and use
> "update-rc.d" to remove xdm (or gdm for helixgnomers) from the startup.

If you're not going to use xdm, remove it.  If you're going to use it
for non-console logins, my suggestion is IMO appropriate.  It's also a
little-known feature.

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quotas

2000-07-27 Thread techlists
I've enabled quota's for users,  I've got one set up and I want to do a 
global change so that all other users are like that account.  Does 
any one know the command syntax to do that?




Re: Command Line on logout

2000-07-27 Thread Joey Tsai
> > I personally think the most elegant way to do this is the "debian way" and
> > use "update-rc.d" to remove xdm (or gdm for helixgnomers) from the startup.
> 
> If you're not going to use xdm, remove it.  If you're going to use it for
> non-console logins, my suggestion is IMO appropriate.  It's also a
> little-known feature.

Well, I use gdm, and the problem I have is that I cannot remove it without
breaking task-helix-core, which keeps me up to date with the helixcode packages.



StarOffice issues

2000-07-27 Thread Erik van der Meulen
Hi Group. I have installed StarOffice 5.2 and have two questions:

- After installation it indicates that no Java support is found. If I
  open a Java web-page, I get error messages. I would like to know if
  there is a Debian package which I can use, or an alternative?

- StarOffice seems a genuine memory hog. I have a 128 Mb laptop, all
  gets eaten if I start SO. Also, performance of the system degrades
  quite a bit. If I do a 'ps aux' I notice quite a few instances of SO
  around. Is this expected behavour?

Other than that, very impressed with StarOffice!

--
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modules.conf vs conf.modules

2000-07-27 Thread Kent West
Okay, I'm been looking off-and-on for weeks, and in earnest for the past
hour, and maybe I'm just blind and/or stupid, but I can not find an
explanation of the difference between conf.modules and modules.conf.

I think maybe that conf.modules is the official name (according to some
Linux Standards Base or something similar), but that modules.conf is
more consistent with other configuration files, what with the .conf
being at the end of the name.

Can anyone verify that this is the case? Add any info? Which should I
use on my system? Do I have a choice? Is there a plain-english ("for
dummies") page somewhere that explains how modules work (modutils vs
/etc/modules vs kmod vs kerneld vs conf.modules vs modules.conf vs
/etc/modutils/ vs auto vs specific items in /etc/modules vs compile-in
vs Godzilla vs Buck Rogers in the 23rd Century)?

Thanks!

Kent




RE: modules.conf vs conf.modules

2000-07-27 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
> Can anyone verify that this is the case? Add any info? Which should I
> use on my system? Do I have a choice? Is there a plain-english ("for
> dummies") page somewhere that explains how modules work (modutils vs
> /etc/modules vs kmod vs kerneld vs conf.modules vs modules.conf vs
> /etc/modutils/ vs auto vs specific items in /etc/modules vs compile-in
> vs Godzilla vs Buck Rogers in the 23rd Century)?
> 

update-modules is the key component.  Documentation for Debian and modules can
be found in the package supplying it: modutils.  Look in
/usr/share/doc/modutils.

$ dpkg -S /sbin/update-modules
modutils: /sbin/update-modules


After digesting that, feel free to ask for more info.



Canonical domain names for private LANs?

2000-07-27 Thread Philipp Lehman
I have a small home LAN consisting of three machines, one of which
connects the LAN to my ISP over a dial-up connection. I was wondering
what domain name to use for the LAN. What I have in mind is something
similar to the IP address space(s) reserved for private use (such as
192.168.*.*)

While searching the web I found a pointer to RFC 2606 which lists four
top level domains reserved for private use and testing (.test,
.example, .invalid, and .localhost). I seems to me that ".invalid"
would be suitable for a dial-up machine with a dynamic IP address. Is
this actually the canonical way?

And the (Debian specific ;) question is: is anybody using host names
like ".localnet.invalid" on a Debian machine? Will this work
with standard Debian tools such as Exim, i.e. can I use it just like
any other (unregistered) domain name or should I expect certain apps
to actually treat it as invalid (and bouce mail, for example)? -TIA

-- 
Philipp Lehman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Re: Apache-newby

2000-07-27 Thread Johann Spies
On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 09:34:00AM -0400, Adrian Thiele wrote:

> I always build my own and it shows up as httpd, I`m not sure where
> the cern is from. Is it a .deb package?

Yes.

>   Try setting ServerName to 127.0.0.1

OK.  I have done that.

> It won`t find www.localhost without it being in your /etc/hosts file

In my  "/etc/hosts" file:

127.0.0.1   localhost


> Make sure the document root is set correctly
> example Document Root /var/www

I is like that.

> so in var/www you have: /var/www/conf
>   /var/www/htdocs
Done.

But it still does not work.

> > From: Johann Spies [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 9:19 AM
> > To: Adrian Thiele
> > Subject: Re: Apache-newby
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 08:59:44AM -0400, Adrian Thiele wrote:
> > > Can you ping 127.0.0.1 ?
> > Yes
> >
> > > Have you set up httpd.conf for ServerName?
> > Yes, but I am uncertain what it should be.  At the moment it is
> >
> > ServerName www.localhost
> >
> > > Is Apache running?
> >
> > It started and produced cern-httpd as daemon. Is that correct?  There
> > is no process with the name apache running.
> >
> > Johann.

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Syncbuilder

2000-07-27 Thread Johann Spies
I am using Abacus on my PalmPilot which requires Syncbuilder to be
installed on Linux to be able to transfer the spreadsheet and use it
on Linux with Abacus.

I have installed jdk1.1 on my system, but when I try to install
Syncbuilder it ends with an error message like this:

$install_syncman.in
Unable to initialize threads: cannot find class java/lang/Thread

I know nothing about Java.  I saw that there is a
/usr/lib/jdk1.1/include/java_lang_Thread.h in the jdk-distribution. Is
it the same thing? 

I would appreciate some guidance on how to get Syncbuilder working.

Johann.
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Re: Command Line on logout

2000-07-27 Thread Mike Werner
Joey Tsai wrote:
> Well, I use gdm, and the problem I have is that I cannot remove it without
> breaking task-helix-core, which keeps me up to date with the helixcode 
> packages.

You *can* remove gdm safely.  All the other packages will still be in the
system, and so will still be kept up-to-date.

I've been using Helix Gnome for some time now.  And one of the very first
things I did after install task-helix-gnome was blow away gdm.

Sure, the task package got removed as well, but so what?  It had already
done its job - it caused everything I needed to be installed.  My Helix
Gnome installation has been faithfully kept up-to-date by a daily apt-get
update; apt-get dist-upgrade just fine.
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Re: Canonical domain names for private LANs?

2000-07-27 Thread Noah L. Meyerhans
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You don't need to use any special naming scheme for your private
network.  Remember that the domain naming scheme exists only to make it
easier for humans to locate computers.

For example, I have 2 private domains that I use in my networks at
home: .noah for my LAN and .vpn1 for my VPN WAN.  Just configure the DNS
correctly on your LAN's DNS server and you're all set.

HTH,
noah

On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Philipp Lehman wrote:

> I have a small home LAN consisting of three machines, one of which
> connects the LAN to my ISP over a dial-up connection. I was wondering
> what domain name to use for the LAN. What I have in mind is something
> similar to the IP address space(s) reserved for private use (such as
> 192.168.*.*)
> 
> While searching the web I found a pointer to RFC 2606 which lists four
> top level domains reserved for private use and testing (.test,
> .example, .invalid, and .localhost). I seems to me that ".invalid"
> would be suitable for a dial-up machine with a dynamic IP address. Is
> this actually the canonical way?
> 
> And the (Debian specific ;) question is: is anybody using host names
> like ".localnet.invalid" on a Debian machine? Will this work
> with standard Debian tools such as Exim, i.e. can I use it just like
> any other (unregistered) domain name or should I expect certain apps
> to actually treat it as invalid (and bouce mail, for example)? -TIA
> 
> -- 
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> 
> 
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Re: volume control

2000-07-27 Thread Michael Soulier
On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> In XMMS you can go into the preferences and tell it to control the "Master" 
> volume
> and not the "pcm" the "master" volume controls the mixer that sends the 
> signal to
> your speakers.. its aboutthe same thing as the windows little speaker in your

Just tried that. It didn't work. 

> on the wmixer so you have lots of things to play with a and to tweak
> your sound. but basically what you need is a "Mixer" controller so if
> you look up on debian.org or do a search through dselect for "mix" you
> will find what you want. b.t.y. i have a sblive and it rocks

Well, I'm wondering if anything is wrong with my module setup
since none of the volume controls seem to work. The really strange thing
is that if I use the equalizer in xmms, that works. 

Mike

"To listen to the words of the learned, and to instill into others the
lessons of science, is better than religious exercises."
-- Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) 



Re: Command Line on logout

2000-07-27 Thread Joey Tsai
> You *can* remove gdm safely.  All the other packages will still be in the
> system, and so will still be kept up-to-date.

The problem with removing gdm is that it will remove the task-helix-core package
as well.  While that doesn't seem to be a problem (the package is just an empty
packgake of requisities), if task-helix-core is later updated to include another
package (as it has just recently included grdb, I think), you'll miss out on
another package you may want if you want your helix gnome dist up-to-date.


// jt



Re: volume control

2000-07-27 Thread Gary Hennigan
Michael Soulier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
>> In XMMS you can go into the preferences and tell it to control the
>> "Master" volume and not the "pcm" the "master" volume controls the
>> mixer that sends the signal to your speakers.. its aboutthe same
>> thing as the windows little speaker in your
> 
>   Just tried that. It didn't work. 
> 
>> on the wmixer so you have lots of things to play with a and to
>> tweak your sound. but basically what you need is a "Mixer"
>> controller so if you look up on debian.org or do a search through
>> dselect for "mix" you will find what you want. b.t.y. i have a
>> sblive and it rocks
> 
>   Well, I'm wondering if anything is wrong with my module setup
> since none of the volume controls seem to work. The really strange thing
> is that if I use the equalizer in xmms, that works. 

Do they work as root? Make sure you have the mixer device(s) in
/dev. I don't have a Debian system handy with working sound, but my
laptop (sans sound) has /dev/mixer and /dev/mixer1.

If they work as root then it's just a permission problem.

May be a long shot but it's worth a look.

Gary



web server suggestions

2000-07-27 Thread Sven Burgener
Hi all

Sorry for this being so highly off-topic, forgive me; I need the infos.
(It's just that debian lists are an excellent resort for information)

I'd like some infos from people who've had experience with this:

What web server software is in your opinion best for running on an NT
machine? (Yes, NT)
(How) does Apache run on NT?

I've used Linux with Apache and that's always served my needs very well.
Been *very* happy with it.

The reason I'm posting this, though, is, that a friend of mine needs the
infos, so I'll send any replies straight back to him.

Again sorry for the OT-ness. Thanks tons in advance.

Regards
Sven



Re: modules.conf vs conf.modules

2000-07-27 Thread Kent West
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> 
> > Can anyone verify that this is the case? Add any info? Which should I
> > use on my system? Do I have a choice? Is there a plain-english ("for
> > dummies") page somewhere that explains how modules work (modutils vs
> > /etc/modules vs kmod vs kerneld vs conf.modules vs modules.conf vs
> > /etc/modutils/ vs auto vs specific items in /etc/modules vs compile-in
> > vs Godzilla vs Buck Rogers in the 23rd Century)?
> >
> 
> update-modules is the key component.  Documentation for Debian and modules can
> be found in the package supplying it: modutils.  Look in
> /usr/share/doc/modutils.
> 
> $ dpkg -S /sbin/update-modules
> modutils: /sbin/update-modules
> 
> After digesting that, feel free to ask for more info.


Thanks! That's definitely a good start. I had browsed around in that
directory, but this time I found the "module-policy.Debian.gz" file that
I had missed earlier.

At the risk of wasted bandwidth but for list archival purposes in a
hopefully "for dummies"-style, here's my take on that file
(questions/comments following it):



===
===
=
The main configuration file is "/etc/conf.modules".

It is assembled at boot-time by "update-modules", using individual
module configuration files found in "/etc/modutils". Some of these files
are normal configuration files (as defined in the manpage for
"modprobe"); others are executables that when run generate information
that is incorporated into the "/etc/conf.modules" file.

Some modules are kernel-version specific, and must be updated each time
the kernel undergoes a version update; other modules are not
kernel-version specific, although over time they'll get too out of date
to be of value unless they are modified occasionally.

The kernel-version specific modules are stored in
"/lib/modules/[specific kernel-version]/"; the "generic" modules are
stored in "/lib/modules/[general "whole-number" kernel version]/". For
example, modules specific to the 2.2.17 kernel would go in
"/lib/modules/2.2.17/", whereas a general module that will work with the
2.2.x series would go in "/lib/modules/2.2/".

Within the modules directory are subdirectories for specific types of
modules; for example, there are directories named "fs" (for file system
modules) and "net" (for network-related modules), etc.

A module directory also contains a "module.dep" file that tells insmod
about module dependencies. For example, if the "vfat" module depends on
the "msdos" module, the "module.dep" file would specify this.
=
===
=



However, I don't have an "/etc/conf.modules" file on my system. I do
have an "/etc/conf.modules.old" and an "/etc/modules.conf". So my basic
question still stands. Which file is to be used? The documentation
mentioned above says "conf.modules"; the fresh install of Debian
followed by an update to Potato has "modules.conf". Other documentation
in that directory says "modules.conf". Again, there's no clear statement
of which to use and why.

Some of the documentation in this directory talks about kerneld; other
seems to indicate that kmod has replaced kerneld. The one that talks
about kerneld ("README.kerneld.gz") says to empty out the "/etc/modules"
files except for the line "auto"; wow! what brokenness that created on
my system.

Perhaps all the answers are in this directory, but they seem to be
written for developers who understand the under-the-hood aspects of
Debian/GNU Linux much better than I do. I'm sorry to be so dense, but
again, I need a "for dummies"-type document.

Wait... I just found this line in "Changelog.Debian.gz": "Update various
scripts to note that conf.modules is now called modules.conf". This
indicates that the file is indeed now called "modules.conf", but gives
no clue as to why. Does Debian's use of the new name conflict with some
standard?

Can I delete my "/etc/conf.modules.old" file without worry?

Thanks for your reply!

Kent



Re: modules.conf vs conf.modules

2000-07-27 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
> 
> Can I delete my "/etc/conf.modules.old" file without worry?
> 

yep, i have not had one for some time.  There is no standard as of yet.  When
the LSB (Linux Standards Base) gets ratified we may have to revisit this issue.

If documentation confuses you, please mail the maintainer and ask for the docs
to be clarified.  Be as specific as possible.  The docs are there for users
like yourself.

BTW @packages.debian.org always routes to the maintainer of the
package.



Re: volume control

2000-07-27 Thread jbardin
Gary Hennigan wrote:

> Michael Soulier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >> In XMMS you can go into the preferences and tell it to control the
> >> "Master" volume and not the "pcm" the "master" volume controls the
> >> mixer that sends the signal to your speakers.. its aboutthe same
> >> thing as the windows little speaker in your
> >
> >   Just tried that. It didn't work.
> >
> >> on the wmixer so you have lots of things to play with a and to
> >> tweak your sound. but basically what you need is a "Mixer"
> >> controller so if you look up on debian.org or do a search through
> >> dselect for "mix" you will find what you want. b.t.y. i have a
> >> sblive and it rocks
> >
> >   Well, I'm wondering if anything is wrong with my module setup
> > since none of the volume controls seem to work. The really strange thing
> > is that if I use the equalizer in xmms, that works.
>
> Do they work as root? Make sure you have the mixer device(s) in
> /dev. I don't have a Debian system handy with working sound, but my
> laptop (sans sound) has /dev/mixer and /dev/mixer1.
>
> If they work as root then it's just a permission problem.
>
> May be a long shot but it's worth a look.
>
> Gary
>
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Thats what it is add yourself to the group audio and th problems should be 
solved and
or chmod it to 666 /dev/mixer is the device same with /dev/dsp
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3c90x woes

2000-07-27 Thread Raphael Crawford-Marks
I've installed Potato on a machine with a 3c905c-TXM PCI card.  I tried to
get it to work with the 3c59x module, to no avail.  Downloaded 3com's 3c90x
driver from their site, but couldn't figure out what to do with it (their
readme said to run install3c90x, a file that was not included in the .tar.gz
available for download on their site).

Is there a way to get my card to work with the 3c59x module?  If not, does
anyone have a precompiled 3c90x module for the 2.2.14 kernel?

Thanks,

Raphael



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2000-07-27 Thread Ton Sonnemans



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Re: PHP4 functions

2000-07-27 Thread alan
Hi Sven,

  I just checked out the function extension_loaded() using the 
following (pgsql.so is setup in the php ini file) ...



When you look under the Additional Modules  section of the phpinfo 
output - pgsql is listed. I get a null response otherwise (ie: 
extension_loaded("gd")). It seems to work for me as documented - you 
may need to check you config if you can't duplicate this ...

Cheers,
Alan

> Date:  Wed, 26 Jul 2000 18:25:01 +0200 (MEST)
> From:  Sven Gaerner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject:   PHP4 functions

> Hi,
> 
> I installed Apache and PHP4 and several modules for PHP4.
> Everything works but I need to know if a special module is loaded. In the
> PHP4 Manual on the PHP website it says you can use the function
>   bool extension_loaded(string module);
> When I tried this I received an error that I tried to call an undefined
> function.
> 
> Did someone have an idea?
> Please CC possible answers to me because I'm not subscribed.
> Thanks.
> 
> Bye,
> 
> Sven
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Re: modules.conf vs conf.modules

2000-07-27 Thread David Z. Maze
Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
KW> Is there a plain-english ("for dummies") page somewhere that
KW> explains how modules work (modutils vs /etc/modules vs kmod vs
KW> kerneld vs conf.modules vs modules.conf vs /etc/modutils/ vs auto
KW> vs specific items in /etc/modules vs compile-in vs Godzilla vs
KW> Buck Rogers in the 23rd Century)?

I'll give this a shot.  The Linux kernel arbitrates access to various
hardware devices, and provides (in theory, at least) consistent
interfaces to user-space programs.  This means that there are various
hardware and protocol drivers that need to somehow be "part of the
kernel".  There are two main ways to do this: compile the driver into
the kernel directly or load it at runtime as a kernel extension
module.[1]

Modules can actually get loaded in a couple of different ways.  A
program called insmod actually does the loading.  Another program,
called modprobe, is generally used to do the task, though.  modprobe
reads /etc/conf.modules or /etc/modules.conf (either will work), and
uses the options there to determine proper module dependencies and
options.  (So if module foo depends on bar, 'modprobe foo' will load
both foo and bar.)

Sometimes it's possible for a module to get automatically loaded.  If
you try to, for example, access a device for which no kernel driver is 
loaded, the kernel will attempt to load an appropriate module.  On
Linux 2.0, this was done via an external program called kerneld.  The
equivalent facility in 2.2 kernels is built into the kernel, and it's
called kmod.  (So kmod and kerneld do exactly the same thing, but
which one you use is a function of which kernel you have.  Debian
magically Does The Right Thing (TM) to start kerneld if necessary.)

/etc/modules determines which modules are loaded at boot-time on
Debian systems.  Any module name listed there is loaded with
modprobe.  If the keyword 'auto' is there, kerneld is immediately
loaded, if necessary; the keyword 'noauto' causes kerneld to never be
loaded.  Otherwise, kerneld is loaded after much of the boot sequence
(IIRC).

As I mentioned a couple of paragraphs ago, /etc/conf.modules tells
modprobe what module dependencies, options, etc. should exist.  On
current Debian systems, this is managed through the files in
/etc/modutils.  A program called update-modules essentially cats
together all of the files under this directory.  This setup gives
Debian a little more flexibility: if a particular package is
responsible for some set of module settings, it can update a file in
/etc/modutils and run update-modules, without tromping on other
packages' settings.

How is this relevant to a system administrator?  Files you care about
are probably:

/etc/modules: lists modules to be loaded at boot time
/etc/modutils/*: fragments to be combined into a complete
  /etc/conf.modules file; you can create, for example,
  /etc/modutils/sound on your system with appropriate options for your 
  particular system's sound setup.  Run update-modules after you
  change anything here.

HTH...

[1] This means that it's theoretically possible to ignore this entire
modules nonsense and build everything you want into the kernel.
This is less flexible, though, and you need to rebuild the kernel
if you ever want to change things; it's a pain.  Also, some
packages (e.g. ALSA) are only available as modules for the moment.

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Re: 3c90x woes

2000-07-27 Thread jbardin
Raphael Crawford-Marks wrote:

> I've installed Potato on a machine with a 3c905c-TXM PCI card.  I tried to
> get it to work with the 3c59x module, to no avail.  Downloaded 3com's 3c90x
> driver from their site, but couldn't figure out what to do with it (their
> readme said to run install3c90x, a file that was not included in the .tar.gz
> available for download on their site).
>
> Is there a way to get my card to work with the 3c59x module?  If not, does
> anyone have a precompiled 3c90x module for the 2.2.14 kernel?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Raphael
>
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I have goten your card to work succesfully i have a compile 2.2.15 version what 
i had
to do i believe is edit teh compile_UP file :

/
gcc -c 3c90x.c -O2 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes -fomit-frame-pointer \
-fno-strength-reduce -pipe -m486 -malign-loops=2 \
-malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -DCPU=486 \
-DMODULE -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include

then i did a ./compile_UP  and it made a 3c90x.o file i copied that into
lib/modules/2.2.15/net
and i made a file inside one of the moduls.conf files i cant remeber but you 
can test
your install by insmod 3c509x.o ithinki had some module option problems too.
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Re: PHP4 functions

2000-07-27 Thread Sven Gaerner
Hi Jon,

no I want to use MySQL and PHP says extension_loaded is an PHP built in 
function.

Thanks and bye,

Sven



SoundBlaster Vibra PCI 128

2000-07-27 Thread Hugo van der Merwe
Hello,

Anyone have any ideas how to get a SoundBlaster Vibra PCI 128 working? (Or
if it is at all possible?)

Secondly, I get the feeling it should be possible to recompile just the
modules, after possibly selecting more or less modules in "make
menuconfig" (or make config of course), without recompiling the whole
kernel. How does one go about doing this using make-kpkg, or does one have
to use more "conventional" tools directly to be able to do this?

Thanks,
Hugo van der Merwe

ps. I get the feeling most people (incl. me) have a habit of automatically
CC:'ing to the author. Is it still necessary to mention that I would
appreciate it? ("it" = CC'ing to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Thanks.



RE: 3c90x woes

2000-07-27 Thread Christian Pernegger
I'm running a box with a 3Com 3C905C-TXM, at the moment with
potato-testcycle-3
and kernel version 2.2.15.

The 3c59x module that comes with the standard kernel did not do 100mbit/s
full duplex
connections for me. 3Coms own 3c90x module does, so I believe it to be
better :)

Of the ways described in the 3Com README I only tried the
patch-into-kernel-source-tree
one - because it worked the first time.

If you need any help with compiling/patching a kernel just drop me a line.

Regards

Christian


> -Original Message-
> From: Raphael Crawford-Marks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 11:21 PM
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: 3c90x woes
>
>
> I've installed Potato on a machine with a 3c905c-TXM PCI card.  I tried to
> get it to work with the 3c59x module, to no avail.  Downloaded
> 3com's 3c90x
> driver from their site, but couldn't figure out what to do with it (their
> readme said to run install3c90x, a file that was not included in
> the .tar.gz
> available for download on their site).
>
> Is there a way to get my card to work with the 3c59x module?  If not, does
> anyone have a precompiled 3c90x module for the 2.2.14 kernel?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Raphael
>
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Re: web server suggestions

2000-07-27 Thread Chris Cameron
I swear by Xitami (http://xitami.com). I'll admit it -seems- overly simple, but 
it
leaves a smaller footprint than both Apache and IIS, and is faster on windows 
that
apache.
I'm using it on a Debian box right now, and it's survived a hits from slasdot.. 
That's
impressive.

Anyway, I'm biased...

Chris

Sven Burgener wrote:

> What web server software is in your opinion best for running on an NT
> machine? (Yes, NT)
> (How) does Apache run on NT?




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2000-07-27 Thread zdrysdal
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advanced power management and linux?

2000-07-27 Thread Krzys Majewski
I'm researching new hardware for my linux box. I live in a small apartment
so my main requirement is that the damn thing be quiet. Does anyone have
reports of advanced power management working under linux? I know that is 
in principle supported, but what are the results? The quietest machine I've 
seen 
was an IBM aptiva running windows, it was capable of shutting down
everything when it went to sleep, as far as I could tell. 
Presumably the cpu fan was still going (?)
but I couldn't hear it. Tell me what kind of hardware you have and how
quiet it is!  
cheers
chris




why is kernel recompilation necessary?

2000-07-27 Thread Krzys Majewski
Why is it that under Windows or whatever I don't have to recompile
the kernel just to add a new driver? Is it a protection thing? 
Or an optimization thing? Or something else? -chris




Help with apt-get through a proxy

2000-07-27 Thread Colquhoun, Ian:
First let me apologize for the seemingly basic question but I have exhausted
all the documentation on apt and I don't know where else to turn.

What I'm trying to do is to get apt-get to work through a SOCKS firewall.
Now, I basically know nothing about SOCKS but I have the IP address and port
from the network guys. I've tried various settings of the http_proxy
environment variable but I just can't seem to get it to work. If someone
could help me along it would be greatly appreciated!

Please CC: me directly on your response as I'm not actually subscribed to
the list.

Thanks,
Ian.

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Re: Help with apt-get through a proxy

2000-07-27 Thread Debbie Young


"Colquhoun, Ian:" wrote:
> 
> First let me apologize for the seemingly basic question but I have exhausted
> all the documentation on apt and I don't know where else to turn.
> 
> What I'm trying to do is to get apt-get to work through a SOCKS firewall.
> Now, I basically know nothing about SOCKS but I have the IP address and port
> from the network guys. I've tried various settings of the http_proxy
> environment variable but I just can't seem to get it to work. If someone
> could help me along it would be greatly appreciated!
> 
> Please CC: me directly on your response as I'm not actually subscribed to
> the list.
> 
> Thanks,
> Ian.
I guess you're gonna have to figure out a way to get a package called
socks4-clients through your firewall first :). This package puts
clients' requests through the proxy like so:

apt-get lynx www.linux.com.

chris



Re: Crontab

2000-07-27 Thread Shaul Karl
> On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I've just got a couple of queries about the use of cron. Firstly, is
> > it what I should be using it for automated execution or is there
> > something better? 


You also have at. In my view at is suitable for automated execution of tasks 
that are running once and cron is for tasks that are done routinely.


> > Secondly, what should I be doing from a security
> > point of view, is it fine to have root running automated commands if
> > root access is needed for the commands? And last of all, how
> > extensively do people use this? Is it something people use to
> > routinely check mail services are running, check mail queues, proxies
> > etc?
> > 
> 
>   Where I work, cron runs everything. We have the entire department
> automated, between generating web pages, to backing up logs. We have about
> 10 crons on about 5 workstations keeping things working. 
> 
>   Mike
> 
> "To listen to the words of the learned, and to instill into others the
> lessons of science, is better than religious exercises."
>   -- Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) 
> 
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Re: 3c90x woes

2000-07-27 Thread Christoph Simon
> I've installed Potato on a machine with a 3c905c-TXM PCI card.  I tried to
> get it to work with the 3c59x module, to no avail. [...]

I'm using the Vortex driver from the standard kernel compilation menu,
and it seems to be working nicely; on the other hand, the rest of the
net is 10Mb/s, so I can't tell if it would do the 100. BTW. One really
nice thing was to find out that this driver was detecting
automatically two of such cards (no IO/IRQ fiddling, no kernel
arguments).

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RE: 3c90x woes

2000-07-27 Thread Raphael Crawford-Marks
Hmm.  Well that didn't work for me.  I wish it did...I don't care if I only
get 10 Mb/s.  But everytime I tried the 3c59x Vortex driver the system would
crash and I'd have to do a hard reboot.  Did you use any special options to
make it work?

-Original Message-
From: Christoph Simon [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 4:15 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: 3c90x woes


> I've installed Potato on a machine with a 3c905c-TXM PCI card.  I tried to
> get it to work with the 3c59x module, to no avail. [...]

I'm using the Vortex driver from the standard kernel compilation menu,
and it seems to be working nicely; on the other hand, the rest of the
net is 10Mb/s, so I can't tell if it would do the 100. BTW. One really
nice thing was to find out that this driver was detecting
automatically two of such cards (no IO/IRQ fiddling, no kernel
arguments).

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RE: why is kernel recompilation necessary?

2000-07-27 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry

On 27-Jul-2000 Krzys Majewski wrote:
> Why is it that under Windows or whatever I don't have to recompile
> the kernel just to add a new driver? Is it a protection thing? 
> Or an optimization thing? Or something else? -chris
> 

if you compile a kernel once with all the odd devices as modules you get the
equivalent of how windows works.



Re: why is kernel recompilation necessary?

2000-07-27 Thread Frodo Baggins
Krzys Majewski scripsit:
>Why is it that under Windows or whatever I don't have to recompile
>the kernel just to add a new driver? Is it a protection thing? 
>Or an optimization thing? Or something else? -chris

Well, stricly speaking kernel recompilation isn't mandatory. You cold
just compile a modulke and load it with modconf. This way is exactly
the same thing as under nullsoft windog, except that you have the
source of the driver:). 

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RE: advanced power management and linux?

2000-07-27 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry

On 27-Jul-2000 Krzys Majewski wrote:
> I'm researching new hardware for my linux box. I live in a small apartment
> so my main requirement is that the damn thing be quiet. Does anyone have
> reports of advanced power management working under linux? I know that is 
> in principle supported, but what are the results? The quietest machine I've
> seen 
> was an IBM aptiva running windows, it was capable of shutting down
> everything when it went to sleep, as far as I could tell. 
> Presumably the cpu fan was still going (?)
> but I couldn't hear it. Tell me what kind of hardware you have and how
> quiet it is!  

hdparm can put a hard drive to sleep
if the bios on the computer can talk to linux apm it can be suspended and
controlled that way
aptivas are strange beast with odd hardware, good luck with getting linux on
them I had a world of a time getting Windows happy on them.



Re: Help with apt-get through a proxy

2000-07-27 Thread Shaul Karl
> 
> 
> "Colquhoun, Ian:" wrote:
> > 
> > First let me apologize for the seemingly basic question but I have exhausted
> > all the documentation on apt and I don't know where else to turn.
> > 
> > What I'm trying to do is to get apt-get to work through a SOCKS firewall.
> > Now, I basically know nothing about SOCKS but I have the IP address and port
> > from the network guys. I've tried various settings of the http_proxy
> > environment variable but I just can't seem to get it to work. If someone
> > could help me along it would be greatly appreciated!
> > 
> > Please CC: me directly on your response as I'm not actually subscribed to
> > the list.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Ian.
> I guess you're gonna have to figure out a way to get a package called
> socks4-clients through your firewall first :). This package puts
> clients' requests through the proxy like so:
> 
> apt-get lynx www.linux.com.
> 


Another option to handle the socks server is dante-clients.
With it you probably 
socksify apt-get ...
but I am not sure.


> chris
> 
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Re: why is kernel recompilation necessary?

2000-07-27 Thread Krzys Majewski
Really? So the kernel doesn't compile any hooks for itself to enable
loading latesthardwaredevice.o as a module? -chris

On Fri, 28 Jul 2000, Frodo Baggins wrote:

> Krzys Majewski scripsit:
> >Why is it that under Windows or whatever I don't have to recompile
> >the kernel just to add a new driver? Is it a protection thing? 
> >Or an optimization thing? Or something else? -chris
> 
> Well, stricly speaking kernel recompilation isn't mandatory. You cold
> just compile a modulke and load it with modconf. This way is exactly
> the same thing as under nullsoft windog, except that you have the
> source of the driver:). 
> 
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hibernation

2000-07-27 Thread Aaron Solochek
I just bought a laptop (dell inspiron 5000) and put potato on it.   I've
been struggling with getting hibernation to work.  I created the
hibernation partition with the little dos utility that came with the
machine, but still no dice.  The bios are set to "suspend-to-disk" so I
had sort of hoped that just doing Fn-Suspend would save the ram to disk
and shut off.  This is not the case, the machine just does a lowpower
suspend.  Windows has a hibernate option, which does what you would
suspect, saves the ram and shuts off.

I just wanted to know if anyone has had any luck with this sort of
thing, or has any suggestions.  Thanks.

-Aaron Solochek
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how to load imm module automatically at mount time?

2000-07-27 Thread Krzys Majewski
I've compiled the imm (zip drive) driver as a module and it works
great. But I want it to work even better. I want it to be loaded exactly
when I type 'mount /zip'. Nothing less, nothing more. Is this possible?
Right now I have to type 'modprobe imm' as root and then 'mount /zip'.
If I just say 'mount /zip' I get 
mount: /dev/sdc4 is not a valid block device
but the console doesn't say anything about unresolved aliases, which
suggests that it cannot be done. 
The reason I thought it might work is because functionally similar things
are possible, for example when I type 'mpg123 foo.mp3' the sb.o module gets
loaded, etc. 
The reason I want it to work is because I hate getting those error messages
when the driver is loaded automatically and there's no disk in the drive:
Jul 27 16:33:07 cr275960-a kernel: sdc : READ CAPACITY failed. 
and so on..

chris




Re: hibernation

2000-07-27 Thread Krzys Majewski
No, but I think what you call 'hibernation' is what I meant by 'sleeping'
in my post about power management. Has anyone got this to work?
Will it work on a regular machine, ie not a laptop?
-chris

On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Aaron Solochek wrote:

> I just bought a laptop (dell inspiron 5000) and put potato on it.   I've
> been struggling with getting hibernation to work.  I created the
> hibernation partition with the little dos utility that came with the
> machine, but still no dice.  The bios are set to "suspend-to-disk" so I
> had sort of hoped that just doing Fn-Suspend would save the ram to disk
> and shut off.  This is not the case, the machine just does a lowpower
> suspend.  Windows has a hibernate option, which does what you would
> suspect, saves the ram and shuts off.
> 
> I just wanted to know if anyone has had any luck with this sort of
> thing, or has any suggestions.  Thanks.
> 
> -Aaron Solochek
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
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Re: hibernation

2000-07-27 Thread Aaron Solochek
You probably can't do it on a desktop because it requires special bios.

-Aaron Solochek
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Krzys Majewski wrote:

> No, but I think what you call 'hibernation' is what I meant by 'sleeping'
> in my post about power management. Has anyone got this to work?
> Will it work on a regular machine, ie not a laptop?
> -chris
>
> On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Aaron Solochek wrote:
>
> > I just bought a laptop (dell inspiron 5000) and put potato on it.   I've
> > been struggling with getting hibernation to work.  I created the
> > hibernation partition with the little dos utility that came with the
> > machine, but still no dice.  The bios are set to "suspend-to-disk" so I
> > had sort of hoped that just doing Fn-Suspend would save the ram to disk
> > and shut off.  This is not the case, the machine just does a lowpower
> > suspend.  Windows has a hibernate option, which does what you would
> > suspect, saves the ram and shuts off.
> >
> > I just wanted to know if anyone has had any luck with this sort of
> > thing, or has any suggestions.  Thanks.
> >
> > -Aaron Solochek
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CD-ROM drive being accessed/wrecked?

2000-07-27 Thread Brian May
Hello,

Recently, during on of my potato upgrades, something happened. Now,
approx once an hour, my CD-ROM drive is being accessed (nothing is in
the drive).

At first I thought the problem might be cdplayer_applet (from
helix-gnome), so I tried to kill it. First I removed it from my
panel. However, the process still lived on. Even kill -9 didn't work,
so I presume that the kernel was busy trying to read from the
non-existent disk (2.2.17pre6 I think). Eventually, the program died,
and I thought the problem was solved.

Until, approx one hour later, and the computer started accessing the
CD-Drive again... fuser /dev/cdrom shows nothing (next time I will try
fuser /dev/hdd, just in case the symlink was confusing it). Not only
that, but the noises produced were really horrid (like it was trying
to force the head past the limit where it can't go). The moment I
walked into my room it stopped.

So, I would be interested to know if anybody has had similar problems?
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RE: VPN

2000-07-27 Thread Phil Brutsche
A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far way, someone said...

> The firewall would be IPCHAINS setup with PMfirewall. It's an office network
> and the owner wants to be able to access the accounts data and run the
> accounts program on her laptop while connected to the internet aboad over a
> secure tunnel through the firewall to a fileserver. I don't see why the data
> can't be in a directory on the firewall, but others have told me not to do
> this.

They're right - it's not a good idea to put that info on the firewall.

> The firewall will allow email in and out, web traffic, and will run no
> external services except for SSH.
> The Owner will us Windows on the laptop, the accounts program will be MYOB,
> and it must be a multiuser setup with filelocking, which I beleive MYOB will
> do itself.
> I do something very similar, in that my accounts data is on a Debian server,
> I use Quickbooks in Multi-user mode, so I don;t think that is a problem.
> The biggest problem is how to tunnel in through a firewall to an internal
> machine using windows on each end and the firewall in the middle.

THAT is the hard part.  It's really hard to do that unless you use one of
two solutions:

 * IPsec: http://www.freeswan.org - IPsec for IPv4 on Linux.  Requires
   third-party software on the laptop
 * PoPToP: http://www.moretonbay.com/vpn/pptp.html - an implementation of
   MS PPTP on Linux.

For both you need to be using the 2.2 kernel.

The entire problem is the fact that your boss want's to use Windows PPTP
VPN technology.  It won't work for port foward TCP port 1728 to the
Windows server and have it run RAS: the bulk of the VPN consists of GRE
(IP proto 47) traffic.  And forwarding _that_ requires that modifications
be made to ipchains and the kernel...

I would put preference on getting PoPToP to work.

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Re: NT Authentication over Debian Firewall/Router

2000-07-27 Thread Phil Brutsche
A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far way, someone said...

> 
> Hi List...
> 
> This is not really debian related, (could even be not Linux related), but
> there's a lot of good knowledge here...
> 
> I have a internal (10.x.y.z) windows NT network, it's conncted to the
> outside world through a linux proxy/fw/gateway (potato). The linux box
> also connects a DMZ area for the webservers etc. Now the problem is that
> we want to connect one of the NT servers from the private lan, and move it
> to the DMZ area. When we do so, it can no longer find the NT Domain
> controller (discovery by broadcasts) that is in the private lan, it needs
> this PDC/BDC for user authentication.
> 
> How do I get this NT server in the DMZ area to be able to find and contact
> the PDC or BDC in the private lan.

You'll need some way of the NT server in the DMZ to actually know that
there is a domain; if discovery by broadcast won't work, you need a WINS
server for the DMZ'd NT server to find the PDC on the private LAN.

There's not a whole lot more I can say without knowing more about the
setup inside the firewall...

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Re: 3c90x woes

2000-07-27 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
what i do:

download the kernel source from ftp.kernel.org

download the 3com driver from www.3com.com

inside the 3com driver is a kernel patch , i believe its called path-2.2.5
or something, it works fine up to 2.2.16(what im using). patch the kernel
by copying the file to the source tree (usually /usr/src/linux) and run

patch -p0 I've installed Potato on a machine with a 3c905c-TXM PCI card.  I tried 
to
raphae >get it to work with the 3c59x module, to no avail.  Downloaded 3com's 
3c90x
raphae >driver from their site, but couldn't figure out what to do with it 
(their
raphae >readme said to run install3c90x, a file that was not included in the 
.tar.gz
raphae >available for download on their site).
raphae >
raphae >Is there a way to get my card to work with the 3c59x module?  If not, 
does
raphae >anyone have a precompiled 3c90x module for the 2.2.14 kernel?
raphae >
raphae >Thanks,
raphae >
raphae >Raphael
raphae >
raphae >
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Favorite getty for serial consoles?

2000-07-27 Thread Simon Tennant
I've been tearing my hair out trying to get an old dec VT320 to correctly
talk to my computer.  I can login but every 2 or 3 lines get a wierd
control character and lots of backward "?"s.  I've tried agetty and
gettyps.

I'd like to be able to specify parity, hardware flow control etc on the
server end. Does anyone have a favorite getty that permits this?

S.  
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Re: [why is kernel recompilation necessary?]

2000-07-27 Thread Sherab Puntsok
For general information on kernel visit
http://linuxdoc.org/

For articles about kernel visit
Taking the Plunge: Compiling the Kernel
http://www.linux.com/newsitem.phtml?sid=60&aid-8841

Compiling the Kernel: Part 2
http://www.linux.com/firststep/newsitem.phtml?sid=60&aid=8931

Kernel Basics
http://www.linuxpapers.org/print_article.html?KERNEL_BASICS

Quest for a Leaner and Meaner Kernel
http://www.linuxcare.com/viewpoints/tales/04-12-00.epl

Alan

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> Or an optimization thing? Or something else? -chris
> 
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repeated installations

2000-07-27 Thread Cesar Crusius
Hi. I am installing Debian over a network, and here's my question: is
there a way to replicate a Debian installation? This is what I'm
looking for:

* I install Debian in a machine (a)
* I personalize the packages I want/don't want at machine (a)
* After that, I want to install the same packages at machine (b)

Right now the only way I know to do this is to manually repeat all the
steps on machine (b). Is there a way to create a "machine (a) task" or
something similar?

Thanks!

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char-major-6

2000-07-27 Thread Erik Mathisen
I keep getting this stupid error in my syslog:

modprobe: can't locate module char-major-6

now i searched my system, I dont have that module, how do I get this
error to stop?  It puts 2 or 3 entries in the log a minute.

Any help would greatly be appreciated,

Erik



same debian, new hardware?

2000-07-27 Thread Krzys Majewski
Again on the subject of buying new hardware, I'm looking for a good
way to copy my existing setup to the new machine. So far I can think
of three main types of options. In order of decreasing popularity, they
are:

1) Reinstall everything from scratch, then copy my home directory and some
conf files from the old machine to the new machine.

2) Install a minimal system on the new machine, then copy everything
from the old machine to the new machine.

3) Make binary images of the old hard drives, automagically paste these
onto the new hard drive. Unfortunately I'm pretty sure this is impossible.

4) Physically install the old hard drives in the new machine.

Here are my comments on these:

1) This strikes me as completely wasted.
Also difficult because I'll have a home dir and an /etc on the new machine,
so I'll have to think carefully about which files from the old machine
should overwrite the new files, which files shouldn't be copied, blah blah.
The main reason I would like to avoid this is because I like my software,
it's the hardware I want to upgrade.

2) I've done this once before, it works with linux fairly well. I just copy
everything, but I ask cp to prompt me if the file already exists on the 
new machine.  Unfortunately I don't know if I can do this with Windows.
I suspect I can't, and it is nice to have Windows around for various reasons.

3) This is what I want, but as described it can't be done, since different
drives have different geometries and so on. However, I know that it is possible
to make a fairly generic kernel that will run on different machines
(viz. root/boot floppies), so the linux itself should be portable at least
for the first little bit until I recompile the kernel.

4) This would be nice, but can it be done? My hard drives are old and small. 
Also they are sitting on a SCSI card, is this a good thing or a bad thing? 
The SCSI card is probably ISA, can I stick it in a new machine and hope
it will work? If someone can suggest how to make this work then I would
gradually migrate stuff to the new big hard drive on the new fast 
expensive machine.  

I know this is a linux forum, but I'm also interested in moving Windows 
to the new machine. Presumably this means I have to reinstall it?
Can I do some variation of item #2) on my windows partition? 

I'd be grateful for any comments or stories you may have,
chris




Re: [why is kernel recompilation necessary?]

2000-07-27 Thread Krzys Majewski
The whole point of my post was to not have to read 17 web pages!
chris


On 27 Jul 2000, Sherab Puntsok wrote:

> For general information on kernel visit
> http://linuxdoc.org/
> 
> For articles about kernel visit
> Taking the Plunge: Compiling the Kernel
> http://www.linux.com/newsitem.phtml?sid=60&aid-8841
> 
> Compiling the Kernel: Part 2
> http://www.linux.com/firststep/newsitem.phtml?sid=60&aid=8931
> 
> Kernel Basics
> http://www.linuxpapers.org/print_article.html?KERNEL_BASICS
> 
> Quest for a Leaner and Meaner Kernel
> http://www.linuxcare.com/viewpoints/tales/04-12-00.epl
> 
> Alan
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Re: [why is kernel recompilation necessary?]

2000-07-27 Thread Krzys Majewski
Yes but what I'm wondering is not why linux users recompile their kernels,
or why windows users can't, but how is it that windows users get away with
not having to? The closest answer I got is that windows kernels have 
a bunch of drivers already compiled in, and any additional drivers
compiled as modules. What I'm still not clear on is whether either 
windows or linux kernels (or both) need to have some sort of hooks 
enabling them to expect whatever modules at runtime, or not. 
For example, if I build a new device and write a driver for it,
can I add support for this device to both windows and linux without
having to modify either kernel? -chris



On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, Erik Mathisen wrote:

> custom kernels are smaller they only have what you want in the, no
> extra bloat, more secure (in theory) because it does not have excess
> stuff.  besides it customizes your system so it is your system.
> 
> erik
> 
> On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 06:04:57PM -0700, Krzys Majewski wrote:
> >The whole point of my post was to not have to read 17 web pages!
> >chris
> >
> >
> >On 27 Jul 2000, Sherab Puntsok wrote:
> >
> >> For general information on kernel visit
> >> http://linuxdoc.org/
> >> 
> >> For articles about kernel visit
> >> Taking the Plunge: Compiling the Kernel
> >> http://www.linux.com/newsitem.phtml?sid=60&aid-8841
> >> 
> >> Compiling the Kernel: Part 2
> >> http://www.linux.com/firststep/newsitem.phtml?sid=60&aid=8931
> >> 
> >> Kernel Basics
> >> http://www.linuxpapers.org/print_article.html?KERNEL_BASICS
> >> 
> >> Quest for a Leaner and Meaner Kernel
> >> http://www.linuxcare.com/viewpoints/tales/04-12-00.epl
> >> 
> >> Alan
> >> 
> >> Krzys Majewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > Why is it that under Windows or whatever I don't have to recompile
> >> > the kernel just to add a new driver? Is it a protection thing? 
> >> > Or an optimization thing? Or something else? -chris
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Web interface to packages

2000-07-27 Thread Christian Pernegger
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Why are there only i386 packages for download on Debians web site?

I do not have, say, an Alpha but nevertheless it struck me as strange
that a search result from http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages leads
only to i386 downloads.

Is there anything I overlooked?

Christian


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