date:19961028

dpkg verification

1996-10-28 Thread BG Lim

Hi!

This question is to the dpkg team. Is there plans to add a verification
feature to dpkg like the one that is found in RPM? This is very handy,
especially for new users, who might accidentally or incidentally delete
files. If a problem crops up later that seems to involve certain packages,
we could then easily check that all the files are present and the
permissions are correct.

If this feature is already present (NOT dpkg -s) then don't hesitate to hit
me on the head! (although its rather hard to find)

BG

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Re: Annoying package dependence concept

1996-10-28 Thread Warwick HARVEY

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) writes:
> Guy Maor writes:
> > See the Programmer's Manual, section 8.2.
> 
> I don't have anything identifying itself as the Programmer's Manual.  Where
> is it found?

Look on the Web site, under "Documentation".  For a direct URL, try

http://www.debian.org/Documentation/programmer.html/

It's also contained in recent (i.e. from the unstable tree) versions of
dpkg-dev, which installs it in /usr/doc/dpkg/programmer.html/.

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Re: gs -anitialias * cause core dump(Re: gv -antialias?)

1996-10-28 Thread Hamish Moffatt

> Are you sure gs dumps core or do you merely get regular gs error
> messages (which usually almost look like a core dump) ?

I (think I) heard somewhere that problems with gs giving
errors (illegal operations and so forth) are due to a bug in gcc
when gs is compiled with certain optimisations, and this
was fixed with gcc 2.7.2.1. I could be wrong though.
I'm still running gcc 2.7.2 and gs *usually* works ok,
sometimes it's a bit funny about the command line though.


hamish

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Re: Red Hat Package Manager debianized

1996-10-28 Thread Hamish Moffatt

> Redhat. So I sought for a way to install RedHat packages under Debian and
> debianized the Red Hat Package manager rpm. I was able to install gated

> Installing this package means that you have two competing package managers
> that know nothing about each other on your system!

Since Redhat now has dependencies, perhaps it would be nice if dpkg
or some other Debian-specific program were to be able to install
RPMs but maintain Debian packaging information etc. Although this
would discourage people from writing Debian-specific packages perhaps.


hamish

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Re: cannot compile 2.1.5 due to /usr/include/linux being in libc5-dev

1996-10-28 Thread Buddha Buck

> On Sun, 27 Oct 1996, Philippe Troin wrote:
> 
> 
> Almost every kernel that have looked in (including 2.0.x) looks in
> /usr/include.

This is wrong.
> 
> Anytime a file needs an include file it it referenced lise this:
> 
> #include 
> 
> This is /usr/include/linux/whatever.h.  It is assumed by Linus,
> et. al., that /usr/include/linux, /usr/include/asm, and
> /usr/include/asm-i386 will all be symlinks to the actual kernel
> source.

I just checked the source tree for 2.0.21, and what it does is sets a 
variable HPATH in the makefile to be ${TOPDIR}/include, where ${TOPDIR} 
is the current working directory from which make was run.  It then adds 
-I${HPATH} to the CC variable, so that if I had my Linux source tree in 
/var/tmp/linux (which I do), it would search /var/tmp/linux/include/linu
x for whatever.h before even looking in /usr/include/linux.  It is my 
understanding that the kernel sources are designed to be as independant 
of the system header files as possible, and tries to make no 
assumptions about what, or where, the standard system headers are.


>  The only solution for me has been to move the offender out of
> the way and temporarily create the expected symlinks while I compile
> the kernel and then put everything back when I am done.  I have put
> this in a script since I try to keep up with the 2.1.x kernels and
> have to compile somewhat frequently, but this is still kind of a
> pain.  Maybe someone else can tink of some better solution/compromise.

I haven't gone to 2.1 yet (the horror stories of device drivers 
crashing because of the memory management reorganization scare me), so 
I don't know if things have changed in this regard.

> 
> Erv

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X stoped working after motherboard upgrade

1996-10-28 Thread Heinz Schürch


Hi,


I have a problem with X, which I tried to solve on private e-mail exchange.
However, I could not solve the problem so I'm looking for a broader audience;
I will also check the relevant x-news group.

I had X up and running on Debian Linux 1.1.4. The configuration I had was:
  - ASUS motherboard 75MHz Pentium (clocked at 90MHz), 16MByte of FPM DRAM,
external cache disabled.
  - ASUS SCSI disk controler SC200 (NCR810)
  - Graphics card ActixENGINE 64/2MByte PCI (S3 Trio64+, 89C764)
  - XFree86 3.1.2 (S3-server)
  - S.Kleinmann's kernel for NCR810

I then changed my motherboard and now the X server is not starting anymore.
My configuration is now as follows:
  - ASUS P/I-P55TVP4, 133MHz Pentium, 32MByte EDO RAM, internal and external
cache disabled.
  - the rest of the system is unchanged (disk controller, graphic card,
X-server, XF86Config and kernel)

When starting the server (bash> X 2> /tmp/X.log) the disk gets active and
the display gets dark. Then all activities are stopped; mouse and keyboard
events are ignored except one. When I press ALT+F2 the server turns the
display on and shows the mouse-cross for less than one second. After that
the system seems to be dead again. Pressing ALT+F1 more then once brings me
back to the character display and I'm able to shut down the server by CTRL+C
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Bad block on disk

1996-10-28 Thread Christian Lynbech

I have gotten a bad block on my linux partition, and I need some help
in getting the system back on its feet.

The system is able to boot, but comes up with the root filesystem
(there is only 3 partitions on the system, one DOS, one swap and the
linux root filesystem) as readonly. Perhaps due to the `mount' program
being one of the files lost.

I have run `e2fsck -c', found bad blocks and cleared the infected
files. So far the only important loss is the `mount' program.

What I need to know is the following:

- How do I get rid of the bad block? Running e2fsck a second time
  gives the same error (though without further modifications to the
  filesystem) and finds the same bad block. How can I remove the block
  so that it won't get accessed again.

- One way of provoking the read error is by running `df'. Does this
  indicate that some non-data portion of the disk is hit as well?

- How do I get the mount program back. Do I need to boot from the
  debian floppies and use a shell from there, or is there some lilo
  magic I can use to get the root up read/write?



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french -> english translating free software

1996-10-28 Thread rgayraud

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hello,

I'm looking for a program to translate french texts to english.

does someone know a such free software which could compile
under linux, or at least another way to do such translation (other
OS or web server) ?

Richard.

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Re: What does Debian mean?

1996-10-28 Thread Luis Francisco Gonzalez

Thanks to all who responded to my recent posting. And thanks to those who 
pointed xring for Internet Callback. It seems this is the thing to use. I
haven't had time to try it out but it looks promising.

Luis.

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Re: Annoying package dependence concept

1996-10-28 Thread Paul Seelig

On Sat, 26 Oct 1996, Joe Emenaker wrote:

> > But as it is currently, maintaining a Debian system by using
> > deselect is a real pain ...
> 
> Actually, it's really nice for me. It automatically notes new packages that
> have been updated and lets me download and install them with less than 10
> or so keypresses whether there are 2 upgraded packages or 200.
> 
Yes, dselect is at least supposed to be nice but sometimes just isn't at
all. I like the idea of upgrading my Debian installation via FTP a lot
too. But i once experienced unforeseen consequences out of the use of
dselect and have therefore chosen to avoid it's usage whenever possible. 

I once deinstalled all newsreaders in my system because i'm used to read
news with a selfcompiled 'knews' installed under /usr/local for this
matter, not wanting to have unused software taking up disk space. 
And without being really aware of what was happening dselect deinstalled
my complete news setup which i painfully configured. My error was to be so
faithful to believe that dselect deinstalls only what i wanted to be
deinstalled and nothing more. 

I just hate programs that are trying to be more clever than i. Why is it
not possible to let dselect do only the things it is directly told to do
in a more transparent way without trying to do a complex second guess!?
Even dpkg is lots more transparent and straightforward compared to dselect
and in this regard lots more userfriendly than dselect is actually 
supposed to be.
 Regards, Paul *8^)
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netscape

1996-10-28 Thread Jan Camenisch

Hi,

is there a installer package for 

netscape-v30-export.x86-unknown-linux-elf.tar.gz

and if yes where can i find it?

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Re: netscape

1996-10-28 Thread Jan Camenisch

Jan Camenisch writes:
>Hi,
>
>is there a installer package for 
>
>netscape-v30-export.x86-unknown-linux-elf.tar.gz
>
>and if yes where can i find it?
>
>--jan
>
oops,
it is in contrib  sorry for traffic..
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Re: Red Hat Package Manager debianized

1996-10-28 Thread Christoph Lameter

The debmake package has now added functionality to install Red Hat and
Slackware packages using dpkg and thus entering information about those
packages into the debian packaging system.

On Mon, 28 Oct 1996, Hamish Moffatt wrote:

moffatt >> Redhat. So I sought for a way to install RedHat packages under 
Debian and
moffatt >> debianized the Red Hat Package manager rpm. I was able to install 
gated
moffatt >
moffatt >> Installing this package means that you have two competing package 
managers
moffatt >> that know nothing about each other on your system!
moffatt >
moffatt >Since Redhat now has dependencies, perhaps it would be nice if dpkg
moffatt >or some other Debian-specific program were to be able to install
moffatt >RPMs but maintain Debian packaging information etc. Although this
moffatt >would discourage people from writing Debian-specific packages perhaps.
moffatt >
moffatt >
moffatt >hamish
moffatt >

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Re: Faxing?

1996-10-28 Thread Dermot Bradley

On Mon, 28 Oct 1996, Craig Sanders wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Oct 1996, Dermot Bradley wrote:
> 
> > Just to let everyone know, I'm finishing up Debian packages for
> > hylafax-server and hylafax-client. They should be ready within 7-10
> > days.
> 
> does it work with mgetty?

hylafax and mgetty both have apps called sendfax. As a result my 
hylafax-client package has a Conflicts: mgetty control setting.

Dermot

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Re: does libc5.4.7 compatible with netscape 3.0

1996-10-28 Thread Marcelo Magallon

On Fri, 25 Oct 1996, Randy Gobbel wrote:

> Yes, I would say it's a bug in the Debian version of libc 5.4.7.  Some
> functions have been moved from the C library to the compiler, and
> applications compiled with older versions of gcc need help to work with
> libc 5.4.7. I stumbled across a fix for the problem at
> 
> http://nightflight.com/~pcg/medkit.html

I'm having a lot of trouble with Netscape 3.0[1b], it exits randomly... 
at first I thought the problem was related to Java, but I found a
Java-less page where Netscape 3.0 exited. Using 3.01b on page with Java
applets (www.download.com, for example) makes it exit as soon as the
Applet starts to run. I have libc 5.4.7 installed, and if I use medkit I
get the message "Bus Error" (I have a 486, not a Pentium).  If I downgrade
to the stable version of libc (5.2.?) Netscape works fine... Trouble is my
kernel and everything else here is compiled against something newer than
5.2.x, but my users are complaining a lot about Netscape not working...

Any more ideas?

Marcelo

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Re: does libc5.4.7 compatible with netscape 3.0

1996-10-28 Thread David Engel

Randy Gobbel writes:
> Yes, I would say it's a bug in the Debian version of libc 5.4.7.  Some
> functions have been moved from the C library to the compiler, and applications
> compiled with older versions of gcc need help to work with libc 5.4.7.  I
> stumbled across a fix for the problem at

Are you sure about this?  I tried H.J. Lu's precompiled version and it
causes Netscape to bus error also.  Someone else suggested that it was
a Java-related problem in netscape.  I haven't had any problems since
I disabled Java support.

> http://nightflight.com/~pcg/medkit.html

This page is empty as far as I can tell.

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Re: sendfax keeps getting rejected

1996-10-28 Thread Brian C. White

> I'm trying to send faxes via either efax or mgetty's sendfax with no
> success.
> 
> I started by using efax's "efix" to generate some group-3 files. Once upon
> a time efax would try to send them... now it isn't even able to dial.

You don't need to call "efix".  The "fax" script will do it for you.

Try:fax send 123-4567 file.txt

You can also fax a postscript file this way.  The "fax" script will
run it through ghostscript first.

If you prefer to convert your files to group-3 files first, you can
use:

fax make file.txt
fax send file.txt.*

Note that while "fax send ..." will accept multiple filenames on the line,
"fax make ..." will only accept one.
 
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Re: Is this acceptable?

1996-10-28 Thread David Engel

Tristan McCann writes:
> I was just wondering if this was acceptable:
> 
> binaries created with Libc5.4.7 are not compatable with libc5.2.18
> 
> I was wondering if it was acceptable if I make debian packages to put in the 
> re=
> quires box
> that it requires libc5.4.7 in the unstable section.

This is OK as long as the packages you are building also go in the
unstable tree.

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Re: Problems building Python 1.4

1996-10-28 Thread David Engel

Paul Barrett writes:
> I'm trying to build Python 1.4 on my Debian box to test the alpha
> release of the Numerical module.  The 'configure' script fails when I
> include the option '--with-readline' because it cannot find the
> termcap library.  Is this library included in the 'libreadline'
> library?  Readline appears to depend on it and it is nowhere to be
> found.  If this is the case I'm sure Guido would like to know about
> it, so he can modify the Python configure script.

You need to link with ncurses instead of termcap.

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dial up networking

1996-10-28 Thread Daniel Miin

how do I configure the system so that it can do dial up networking?  When 
I installed debian linux onto my 486, it did not recognize my modem and 
other devices like my cdrom and sound blaster compatible sound card.

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Re: Annoying package dependence concept

1996-10-28 Thread Lars Wirzenius

Johannes Plass:
>  and xdvi (why actually does xdvi depend on ghostscript ?)

Xdvi can show Postscript graphics included in a TeX document. It
needs ghostscript to do so. "Recommends: ghostscript" might
be too strong for xdvi; "Suggests: ghostscript" would be much
better, since xdvi works well enough even without ghostscript.

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Re: Bad block on disk

1996-10-28 Thread Lars Wirzenius

Christian Lynbech:
> - How do I get rid of the bad block?

There are some instructions in the Linux System Administrators' Guide,
version 0.4, available at . Sorry
I can't quote it at the moment; I had to clean out all unnecessary
cruft to be able to make a backup (I really have to buy a bigger
tape drive, one of these days).

> - One way of provoking the read error is by running `df'. Does this
>   indicate that some non-data portion of the disk is hit as well?

Possible.

> - How do I get the mount program back. Do I need to boot from the
>   debian floppies and use a shell from there, or is there some lilo
>   magic I can use to get the root up read/write?

Do the floppy thing, it's safer.

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Re: useradd?

1996-10-28 Thread Carl Privitt

> > I know I have adduser
> I haven't seen useradd for at least a year.  I think that useradd was
> "phased out".  The release that I last remember seeing it on was a 1.2.9

 useradd along with usermod, userdel, groupadd, groupmod, and groupdel were
 all incorporated into the shadow password utility suite.  You can get an
 unofficial Debian package from 

ftp://serek.arch.pwr.wroc.pl/pub/shadow/

 I got the package and extracted just the user* and group* utilities into
 my /usr/local.  They work fine with both shadow and standard /etc/passwd
 files.

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Debian Installation

1996-10-28 Thread Chris Huddleston

Hello,

I have recently installed Debian onto our department's new server and we
would like to install Debian onto the another server purchased by our
department.

The problem here is that the server has a SCSI hard drive and an IDE CDROM
(creative labs 6x). I am using special kernel 6 boot disk to install the
base system. Under the CDROM driver section of the installation, there a
list of propreitory CDROMs but none to support the Creative Labs CDROM. 

Someone suggested installing the base system, without CDROM modules,
reconfiguring the kernel on our other server with IDE CDROM support and
transfering it onto the new server. 

Has anyone else been faced with this problem and is reconfiguring the kernel
on our other server the only way to install the Debian packages from CDROM ?

Here is the list of system specs:

DELL PowerEdge System
Hard Drive: NCRPCI SCSI 2.0 Gigabytes (vendor: Seagate)
Processor: 133 Mz
512K cache
1 MB VRAM
32 MB RAM
Adaptec 2940 PCI SCSI
Creative Labs Plug and Play 6x IDE CDROM

Thank you in advance,

Tej Dhillon
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Sendmail envelopes

1996-10-28 Thread Erik van der Meulen

I run a relatively busy Majordomo mailing list over a slow UUCP dialup link
(using Sendmail). I have always assumed that when sendmail sends a mail to
more than one address, it ques two files: the envelope containing the
recipients, and the message contents itself. The smarthost would take those
files and sort out the addressing bit.
What I observe with the mailing list is, that multiple envelopes are
created, each containing 24 addresses. This means that when my list contains
500 members, 21 uucp files are generated (and sent) in stead of the expected
1. Over my slow link, this consumes quite a lot of phone costs.
I was wondering is this number of 24 is one of sendmails (many)
configuration options, and if it can be adjusted safely in some way? Or
would that be a sin against some holy RFC of mail protocols?

Thanks a lot,

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Re: Debian Installation

1996-10-28 Thread Tim Sailer

In your email to me, Chris Huddleston, you wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I have recently installed Debian onto our department's new server and we
> would like to install Debian onto the another server purchased by our
> department.
> 
> The problem here is that the server has a SCSI hard drive and an IDE CDROM
> (creative labs 6x). I am using special kernel 6 boot disk to install the
> base system. Under the CDROM driver section of the installation, there a
> list of propreitory CDROMs but none to support the Creative Labs CDROM. 
> 
> Someone suggested installing the base system, without CDROM modules,
> reconfiguring the kernel on our other server with IDE CDROM support and
> transfering it onto the new server. 
> 
> Has anyone else been faced with this problem and is reconfiguring the kernel
> on our other server the only way to install the Debian packages from CDROM ?

I believe that you can use the kernel you are using now. The cdrom is
compiled into the kernel, and not a module. You have a regular ATAPI
type cdrom. Watch for it as you boot off the boot disk it should
be /dev/hda if you have no other IDE devices in the system.

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Re: gs -anitialias * cause core dump(Re: gv -antialias?)

1996-10-28 Thread joost witteveen

> 
> > Are you sure gs dumps core or do you merely get regular gs error
> > messages (which usually almost look like a core dump) ?
> 
> I (think I) heard somewhere that problems with gs giving
> errors (illegal operations and so forth) are due to a bug in gcc
> when gs is compiled with certain optimisations, and this
> was fixed with gcc 2.7.2.1. I could be wrong though.

No, you are right. I know you are right, that's why I
(gs maintainer) use gcc-2.7.2.1. So, you are wrong in
thinking that gcc-2.7.2's bugs may have caused this.

Anyway, for anyone interested, his problems were caused
by him using libc-5.4.7.
Also, he would get core dumps whatever arguments he gave to
gs (as long as it were at least 2 arguments, I think).


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Re: Bogus symblic link in Debian-1.1.12

1996-10-28 Thread James W. Lynch

I got the same thing when trying to install from the iConnect CD mastered
on Oct 3.  So much for dselect.  I couldn't get by it and had to
use dpkg to install.

Not a good sign.

Jim.

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> 
> Trying to use install via deselect in Debian-1.1.12 fails
> with the error message
>Running dpkg -iGROEB /mnt/debian/stable/binary-i386
>find: /mnt/debian/stable/binary-i386/base/modules_2.0.0-11.deb:
>No such file or directory
>dpkg: subprocess find returned error exit status 1
> The error seems to be caused by the suymbolic link
>/debian/stable/binary/base/modules_2.0.0-11.deb
> which points to a non-existing file.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Johannes Plass
> 
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netscape and debian

1996-10-28 Thread Jean Pierre LeJacq

There recently has been a flurry of messages on netscape
problems with debian.  Much of it was contradictory. 
Becoming concerned, I tried installing netscape 3.0 and
3.01b1 with libc5 5.2.18 and received "Bus error" when
trying to run.  This was with both a hand installation and
the debian package in contrib. 

Can someone in the know summarize the situation with
netscape and outline what one needs to use netscape?

--- Jean Pierre


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Re: Bogus symblic link in Debian-1.1.12

1996-10-28 Thread Neal R. Dalton



On Mon, 28 Oct 1996, James W. Lynch wrote:

> > Trying to use install via deselect in Debian-1.1.12 fails
> > with the error message
> >Running dpkg -iGROEB /mnt/debian/stable/binary-i386
> >find: /mnt/debian/stable/binary-i386/base/modules_2.0.0-11.deb:
> >No such file or directory
> >dpkg: subprocess find returned error exit status 1
> > The error seems to be caused by the suymbolic link
> >/debian/stable/binary/base/modules_2.0.0-11.deb
> > which points to a non-existing file.

I had the same problem with my Debian 1.1, only the I couldn't fine -10.  
Since I had 1.5G free, I copied the entire CD to disk and made a link 
from modules_2.0.0-10.deb to modules_2.0.0-11.deb.

It seemed to work.

Neal

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packages install

1996-10-28 Thread Timothy Phan

Hi Debian Users:

  Is there any document on which package should be installed first?
  I just got a development CD from I-connect and I seemed to have
  a hard time to install the packages from the CDROM.  There seemed to
  be packages to have conflict with each other.

  Also,  when the Linux boots up,  there was this message:

  can not configure /dev/cua0

  I did a ls /dev/cua0 after boot,  and it was there.  Any idea?
  Many thanks in advance!

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Re: netscape and debian

1996-10-28 Thread Neal R. Dalton

On Mon, 28 Oct 1996, Jean Pierre LeJacq wrote:

> There recently has been a flurry of messages on netscape
> problems with debian.  Much of it was contradictory. 
> Becoming concerned, I tried installing netscape 3.0 and
> 3.01b1 with libc5 5.2.18 and received "Bus error" when
> trying to run.  This was with both a hand installation and
> the debian package in contrib. 

It is a problem with libc, checkout 
  http://members.ping.at/theofilu/netscape.html

Neal

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Hi dear deblistpeeps,

My never ending search for a usuable X irc client continues.
Under the spotlight this week is Xirc, but as usual, nothing works straight
away. I'm having problems compiling this proggie. The docs clearly state
that libc5.4.7 is used and Xforms.081 minimum as well. I installed
libc5.4.7 binaries from sunsite (why is the debian one only at 5.2.18?) and
installed xforms0.81-3 via the excellent dpkg-ftp thingy.

Compile error follows;

make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/xirc/src/dcc'
g++  -g -DDEBUG -I.. -O2 -Wall  -c get.C -o get.o
In file included from get.C:8:
../xirc.H:8: forms.h: No such file or directory
In file included from ../xirc.H:54,

I was getting string.h and iostream.h errors but fixed this by installing
the g++ libs, it appears to be a c++ prog. duh! :) But the forms.h error
refuses to budge. The Xirc docs state that if this error appears then
installing the latest xforms0.81 lib cures it. But I've done this and it
still persists, unless it isn't installed properly. (xforms-dev is
installed too).

Kernel 2.0.0 btw.

Has anyone successfully compiled this beastie? Anyone seen this error
or could anyone possibly mail me the compiled binary? Also, if anyone knows
of a decent X irc client then could they let me know. After searching about
the only ones I'ce found are ircii/BitchX, disgusting clients, and Zircon
which tries quite hard but is far to quirky and like chucking too many
windows about to be likable. Something similar to mirc or Amiga's Grapevine
wouldn't go amiss methinks.

Hoping for some help,

Ozzy,

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Cost-effective servers

1996-10-28 Thread Michael_Laing

First of all, my debian machines are running terrifically well, so thanks to
all who have labored long and hard to produce such a quality product!!

I am helping my local school district in Maine establish networks and servers.
We are farthest along at the high school with about a 120 node ethernet mostly
macs. Currently we have a jerry-built 586 PCI, 16MB, ATAPI CD, 2GB IDE linux
box we have been using as a testbed for services.

One very important service we offer is appleshare using netatalk. One directory
is set up read-only and used for common applications and data. Additionally,
many students have logins and have their own appleshare volumes (a directory in
their home directory). This allows them to park documents in there and get at
them from any node without having to lug diskettes. Also students can create a
'public_html' directory and drop appropriate documents in there which are then
available on the web server (see below). Finally, using the hfs_fs module, we
have experimented with sharing mac CD's, e.g. encyclopedias, with much success
- AND I have dd'd some CD's directly into a raw disk partition, mounted them
with hfs_fs and it works even better!

Encouraged by this success, we hope to put 10 to ? CD's up on raw partitions
and share them via netatalk - one has to watch copyright issues of course.

We also run apache, both accessing our internal web docs and as a proxy. (BTW I
will probably hack the apache source in the next week or so to support proxy
authentication if anyone is interested - unless the apache guys beat me to it).
We only have a 56K connection to the internet, so good proxying is essential to
good performance particularly when teachers are having students access the same
web sites. We cache up to 500MB.

Obviously we need more 'oomph' in the server(s). The questions are simply:
. One server or more than one
. SCSI or IDE

I.e, given a few thousand bucks, how to get the most server bang!

BTW it would be nice to have an optimization model for this sort of thing where
one could categorize application services, hardware, and costs in a
quantitative way to aid in decision-making - capacity planning for Linux!

Thanks,
Michael

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Re: Annoying package dependence concept

1996-10-28 Thread Joe Emenaker

> From: Johannes Plass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: Annoying package dependence concept
> 
> Joe Emenaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Yes it does. You can hit "Q" to force dselect to accept things as you
> > have chosen.
> 
> Pressing "Q" causes dselect to momentarily forget about dependency
> conflicts.
> When installing the packages the user will certainly get lots of error
> messages
> related to unresolved dependencies.

Uh... not necessarily. When I installed mgetty, dselect wanted to include
ghostscript because mgetty "suggests" it or something. Ghostscript, of
course, wanted to bring along about 5 friends as well: libraries, fonts,
etc. etc. Since my reason for getting mgetty wasn't for faxing, I had
little use for ghostscript, so I deselected it and it's libraries, used 'Q'
to force dselect to accept it, and then I installed just mgetty. Works like
a charm

- Joe

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Administration of a group of Linux boxes.

1996-10-28 Thread Bill Bumgarner


Before we decide to either standardize on some particular package or roll  
our own package, please PLEASE PLEASE look at Netinfo.

Netinfo is amazing.  I commonly work with a WAN that includes machines [all  
running Netinfo] in 10 cities with a four level Netinfo hierarchy.  I can  
configure and manage machines in any of the cities, or on a city wide basis,  
or on a virtual group basis from anywhere (given the appropriate access  
levels).

Configuration includes everything from low-level network attributes to  
sendmail attributes to virtual domain configurations through to customer  
information-- whatever you want to hook into Netinfo.

b.bum

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Re: netscape and debian

1996-10-28 Thread Brian C. White

> There recently has been a flurry of messages on netscape
> problems with debian.  Much of it was contradictory.
> Becoming concerned, I tried installing netscape 3.0 and
> 3.01b1 with libc5 5.2.18 and received "Bus error" when
> trying to run.  This was with both a hand installation and
> the debian package in contrib.
> 
> Can someone in the know summarize the situation with
> netscape and outline what one needs to use netscape?

I user netscape 3.0 all the time with libc5 5.2.18 and have very
few problems.
 
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multicast under debian

1996-10-28 Thread Bill Bumgarner


Does anyone have multi-cast working under Debian linux?  I tried building a  
kernel with multicast enabled [including tunneling/routing] but subsequent  
rebooting of the machine rendered the ethernet interface completely  
inoperative.

I'm using an Intel EtherExpress Pro/100 card... but could use a Tulip based 
card.

Current build is against 2.0.18-- but i'm in the process of upgrading to  
2.0.23 [which, for some reason, my system claims that the hand built kernel  
module is built against even though I never installed 2.0.23].

argh,
b.bum

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Re: dial up networking

1996-10-28 Thread Joe Emenaker


> From: Daniel Miin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: dial up networking
> 
> how do I configure the system so that it can do dial up networking?  When

> I installed debian linux onto my 486, it did not recognize my modem

Do you want to dial-up *from* your Linux box to an ISP, or do you want to
allow people to dial *IN* to your Linux box?

- Joe

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Re: dvips-problems

1996-10-28 Thread David Frey

>My missfont.log-file contained the following lines:
>
>MakeTeXPK cmbx12 1244 600 magstep\(4.0\) ljet4
>MakeTeXPK cmbxti10 1493 600 magstep\(5.0\) ljet4
>MakeTeXPK cmbx12 720 600 magstep\(1.0\) ljet4
>MakeTeXPK cmsy10 600 600 1+0/600 ljet4
>MakeTeXPK cmbx10 600 600 1+0/600 ljet4
>MakeTeXPK cmr10 600 600 1+0/600 ljet4
>MakeTeXPK cmti10 600 600 1+0/600 ljet4
>MakeTeXPK cmr12 600 600 1+0/600 ljet4
>
>Where can I look for a solution?  I have downloaded every available 
package in
> the "buzz-fixed" directories and some in the "rex" directories.

The local fonts have to rebuilt at the local site. So far is nothing wrong;
just run sh missfont.log to create all the missing fonts with the right
resolution and for the right driver.
The easier solution is to preview your files with xdvi, as it runs 
MakeTeXPK
automatically, if it cant't find your fonts.

Hope this helps.
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Re: Final Update to GCC Error

1996-10-28 Thread Christian Watts

Bruce Perens wrote:
> 
> From: Christian Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > This is in regards to the discussion concerning 'fatal signal 11'
> > under GCC 2.7.2 on my machine.
> > Resetting the CPU type from 120Mhz to 100Mhz resolved the problem.  I'm
> > not exactly sure why, but it worked.
> 
> Interesting. Did you use the same memory on both main boards?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Bruce

Yes, nothing's changed except that I set the internal clock to 100 Mhz
and the bus factor to 1.5x (66Mhz external), just as if I had an actual
P100 CPU.

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Re: Daft newbie help. Boot stuff.

1996-10-28 Thread Christian Watts

Brian Skreeg Brian Skreeg wrote:
> 
> Hi Brian,
> 
> >   Hi clever peeps.
> >   I'm quite new to debian and linux in general but have been doing
> > exectionally well for a first timer. Even managed to get X installed and
> > recompile and install a kernel with sound support. :) Clever eh?
> >   Anyway, the problem I'm having just now is a simple one. Where do I
> > put commands that I want executed at startup? For example. I need to set my
> > hostname for my ppp dial-up stuff. Having a text file in /etc called
> > HOSTNAME containing my hostname isn't good enough. I need to run the
> > command "hostname fishtech.u-net.com" like so. What file to I place this in
> > so it is run everytime the machine boots? I've read several documents and
> > book but they all seem to point to a mythical rc.local file that doesn't
> > exist in the Debian setup. Debian seems to do it's whole rc.d thing a lot
> > differently from other distributions.
> >   Also how do I set certain EnvVars at startup?
> >
> > TIA,
> >
> > Ozzy,
> >
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> >

All your local configuration files which are run at boot are in
/etc/init.d/.  

Hope that helps,
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Re: Kernel compilation questions and others

1996-10-28 Thread Christian Watts

Bill Vinson wrote:
> 
> First of all please let me thank all of you who responded to my newbie
> questions...I really appreciate all of the help and I hope I am not hogging
> the lists time...
> 
> I have installed minicom, ppp, cpp, etc. according to the dependencies
> Debian told me about...
> The PPP manual and several others have told me I will need to compile my
> kernel to use PPP or the Ethernet card I had posted about earlier.  What
> the heck do I need to do this?  I have only downloaded cpp from the dev
> module sections.  What else do I need?  I don't think I have any source
> code on the machine as of yet...
> I thought I remembered having the option for a NE2000 compliant ethernet
> card and ppp dynamically loading library in the startup when I first
> installed Debian, but like a fool I didn't choose these since I didn't have
> anything at the time...  Can this be done instead of recompiling the
> kernel?  I posted earlier that I have a 100 MB drive and I was told this
> was not enought, but currently I don't have the cash flow for more (50 days
> and counting till I get married and have to pay for a honeymoon :-)...)
> Can I do this stuff with only 49 MB left, according to the 'df' command?
> 
> PART 2
> 
> Several people told me about the color-ls command and how to type 'eval
> DIRCOLORS' in the initialization file...Where is this file and what is it
> called?
> 
> Once again thanks for y'all's help and for your UNBELIEVEABLE patience!
> Bill

It goes in a file in your home directory called .bash_profile.  This
file (because of the . in front) does not appear when you type ls, but
ls -la will show it to you, if that helps in finding it.  You can edit
it with vi or whatever you use.

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Re: Errors with Ethernet module installation...

1996-10-28 Thread Christian Watts

Tim Sailer wrote:
> 
> In your email to me, Bill Vinson, you wrote:
> >
> > I just decided to reinstall so I would have the chance to install modules
> > to work with the SN2000CT ethernet card.  It says it is 100% NE2000
> > Ethernet compatible and when I opted to install the NE2000 module I got the
> > following error:
> >
> >   nc.c:  module autoprobing not allowed.  Append "io=0xNNN" value(s).
> >   Initialization of ne failed
> >
> >   Installation failed.
> >
> > What does this mean?  I'm pretty sure the card is set in the 16-bit slot
> > firmly.  Did I get a useless ethernet card?  Is there a good way to test if
> > it is in fact available?
> 
> I think 0x320 it the 'standard' spot the ne2k cards live. At the prompt
> for additional command line options (or what ever it is), add
> "io=0x320" and see if that works
> 
> Tim
> 

I have an NE2000 card that is working under linux.  My understanding is
that you *have* to set an i/o base and irq for the card, there is no
default, and autoprobing is not allowed.  What I did (originally under
slackware -- yuck!) was edit the /etc/rc.d/rc.modules and put in the
following:

ne.o io=0x340 irq=15

substitute your own values there.  Under debian, there is an additional
piece of info you will need.  That is where the file that loads the
modules is.  I would start in /etc/init.d if I had to guess.  Also, at
install time (this was how I did it under debian) when it gives you the
option to choose modules it prompts for an i/o base and irq if you
choose the NE2000.

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dircolors

1996-10-28 Thread mattice


Does dircolors or the new ls --color=auto not support 
the 'ORPHAN' or 'MISSING' tags, relative to symlinks?  A fellow
linuxer pointed out that I was still using the old color-ls in
my /usr/local/bin and when I switched over, all my symlinks were
the wrong color.  They actually ended up as 'ORPHAN'ed.

What the heck is an orphaned symlink anyway?  
BTW, I'm using bash. (if that makes a diff)

Mike

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LyX and LaTeX

1996-10-28 Thread Christian Watts

Hi all,
I was wondering if anyone could help me to get LyX to print.  The
program seems to work just fine otherwise, but when I try to print
(printing to printer lp)  I get an error that says "no configuration
file found for printer lp".  I'm sure I just need to find out what I
need to put in this file and where it goes, but I can't seem to find any
documentation on it.

TIA,
Christian Watts
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Re: Cost-effective servers

1996-10-28 Thread Craig Sanders

On Mon, 28 Oct 1996 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Obviously we need more 'oomph' in the server(s). The questions are simply:
> . One server or more than one
> . SCSI or IDE
> 
> I.e, given a few thousand bucks, how to get the most server bang!

If i were in your situation and had the funds to buy another
server, i'd split off the internet server functions (email, www, proxy,
ftp, user accounts etc) from the file server functions (netatalk).

However, one server is enough for what you're doing, as long as it's
fast :-). Upgrading the existing server so that it is more than capable
of performing both sets of functions is IMO much more cost effective.

The best thing you could do is get more memory - it's the cheapest and
most effective upgrade for your server that you could possibly get. 16MB
isn't enough, especially if you're running X or a few large programs.
Upgrade RAM to at least 32MB - or why not 64MB. Memory is cheap these
days and linux will use every single byte of it - whatever isn't needed
by running programs is dynamically used to buffer the disks.

You can go over 64MB too, if you want...but you'll have to increase the
size of the 2nd level cache ram. Most motherboards come with 256K cache
which is sufficient for up to 64MB. Upgrade to 512k cache if you have
more than 64MB.

IDE is fine on a PCI bus if you only have one or two drives - but speed
(& reliability, in my experience!) really suffers when you have more
than that. You're also limited to 4 drives total, including ATAPI tape &
CD drives.

If you want more than 4 drives, or want to use any of the new huge high
speed drives you will need SCSI. An Adaptec 2940 works well. An NCR
53c810 works almost as well at about a third of the price of the 2940.

e.g. a Pentium with 64MB, an adaptec 2940, and a couple of Seagate
Barracuda SCSI drives will really fly along.

IDE is fine if you're on a tight budget or speed isn't your highest
priority...but remember IDE's origins: IDE was a crap standard whose
primary goal was to make cheap crap drives even cheaper & crappier for
the consumer market. IDE has come a long way since then, and on a PCI
bus is actually reasonably good...BUT you really can't beat SCSI for
speed & reliability.

Craig

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