Re: correct definition of localhost?
["Followup-To:" header set to linux.debian.devel.] sean finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Tuesday 08 July 2008 06:40:05 pm Steve Langasek wrote: > > > Ulrich made the change, and he's not exactly known for giving helpful > > explanations. Apparently he thinks bug ping-pong is a better use of his > > time. > > it sounds like we have another contender for the annual j=F6rg schilling=20 > award[1]. Let's just be thankful he's not as odd as Reiser. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: correct definition of localhost?
Ralf Hildebrandt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > * Martijn van Oosterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 2:37 AM, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=4980 > > > > I just find it wierd that there doesn't appear to be a single person > > who can explain the reasoning for the change... > > That bugtracker entry sure makes some interesting reading Yeah, and for lurkers, don't be tempted to add to the discussion there (looking at it in a browser, I was tempted, you may be too). It's a bug report, not a forum. Do that elsewhere. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DPL teams survey summary summary [METOO]
Per Andersson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Steve McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 8. Publicise more clearly the places where new people could help > > out. I'm commonly asked by people how they could get involved in > > Debian, or what tasks most urgently need help, and those are quite > > difficult things to answer. A more focussed set of web pages and/or > > wiki pages targeting these questions would be a great thing to > > have. > > A new usertag was introduced into the BTS a while ago, the > gift tag. [0] [1] Being a newbie in Debian, the BTS and > contributing to the free software community I thought this > was a great idea. It seems that the gift tag isn't used that > much though [2]. It would be great if the gift tag gained > popularity. > > There exists pages on w.d.o that targets how to get started > with help out. [3] [4] Perhaps there is a need for a more > clean path to finding out how to get started, a start would be > to put links on the frontpage of w.d.o and [5] to get directly > to the help guide [4]. As it is now, the path there is quite > long and IMHO you need to know what you are looking for. > > [0] http://wiki.debian.org/qa.debian.org/GiftTag > [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/12/msg00679.html > [2] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/[EMAIL PROTECTED];tag=gift > [3] http://debian.org/devel/join/ > [4] http://wiki.debian.org/HelpDebian > [5] http://debian.org/devel/ Excellent info, thanks. [4] is very useful. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Live Lenny Beta1
Sorry for top post. On a Gateway Sempron (32 bit) laptop ... Where's dhcp? Laptop has builtin ethernet (Marvell Tech. 88E8036) which etch handles well. I see it also has BCM4318 802.11g wifi (which I don't use). No network, but otherwise works fine. :-) Daniel Baumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Debian Live Lenny Beta1 > === > > The Debian Live team[0] is pleased to announce the first beta of Debian > Lenny's Live images. > > Although we missed releasing images for Etch along with the installer > images, we are now prepared to release live images within the regular > Lenny release process. This is the first official release of Debian Live > and the whole team has been working hard during the past 2.5 years[1] to > make Debian's own[2] live systems become a reality. > > Nevertheless, we do need your help to find more bugs and improve the > live systems, so please try them out. The images are available at: > > http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_live_beta1/ > > Please also have a look at the known issues listed below. > > Main features > = > > 100% Debian > - > > The build process of Debian Live basically consists of creating a Debian > chroot, installing one or more kernels along with live-initramfs[3] (a > set of hooks into initramfs-tools for handling booting from read-only > media) and generating a bootable image from that. > > This process is handled by live-helper[4], a collection of shell scripts > that allow us to automate and customize this process. Considerable > care[5] is taken to ensure that the resulting live system is not tainted > by the host system and that installed packages are not modified more > than absolutely necessary. > > This ensures that Debian Live really *is* Debian, and not "just another" > a Debian-based live system. > > Flavours > - > > Although live-helper is a toolkit to produce your very own live systems > with only a few steps, we also provide prebuilt images that are meant to > be used as reference systems for end-users. Currently, this consists of > the three major desktop environments (GNOME, KDE and Xfce), as well as a > small 'standard' image without a graphical environment. > > For the desktop environments, package selection is performed by > 'tasksel' with the respective desktop task, whilst the 'standard' image > contains only packages of "Priority: standard" or greater, > notwithstanding a handful of live-specific packages (console-common, > eject, file, kbd, live-initramfs, locales, sudo and vim-tiny). > > Image types > - --- > > Debian Live offers prebuilt images for CD/DVD discs, USB sticks (or any > HD-media-like device), tarballs (for PXE netboot) as well as a bare > squashfs image to boot from the web[6] directly. > > Live Magic > - -- > > Live Magic[7] is an GUI frontend around the live-helper scripts, > offering a subset of the features of live-helper in an easy-to-use > graphical user interface. > > live-magic 1.0 was recently uploaded to sid and is the recommended > version. It currently supports 7 languages. > > Live Installer > - -- > > Live Installer[8] is a special udeb for the Debian Installer that > (optionally) replaces a part of d-i in order to install the system from > the live image instead of to bootstrapping it from .deb packages. This > way, a live system can be easily installed to the harddisk, ensuring > that the look and feel of the installation (including preseeding) works > the same as the regular installer process. > > Unfortunately, live-installer does still have a few minor bugs left and > is thus not included in our builds yet; we hope to be able to include it > in the next beta. > > Known issues in this release > > >* The prebuilt images for gnome-desktop and kde-desktop are a bit too > big to fit on a CD. Although the automatic installation of > Recommends was disabled to build the images, they are still too big. > This will need further tweaking as they are supposed to fit with the > next beta. > >* The rescue flavour, containing system rescue and forensic related > packages, is missing in this beta release. > >* There will be a DVD image with the next beta that includes all three > desktop environments so that you can choose at boot time which > system you would like to start. > >* Due to time constraints, the prebuilt images for Beta1 are only > covering i386 and amd64; with the next beta, powerpc and sparc will > follow (if you wish to test these architectures earlier, please > build them yourself). > >* The new desktop artwork is not yet included. > >* The syslinux menu is still the old, prompt-based one. A freshly made > new syslinux vgamenu using the official lenny desktop artwork is on > the way (the same as d-i media will us
Re: Debian Live Lenny Beta1
Incoming from Daniel Baumann: > s. keeling wrote: > > On a Gateway Sempron (32 bit) laptop ... > > > > Where's dhcp? Laptop has builtin ethernet (Marvell Tech. 88E8036) > > which etch handles well. Woops, sorry, Zenwalk (slackware downstream) handles it well. It appears to be handled by sky2 kernel module there. sky2 :30.0: v1.21 addr 0xd020 irq 18 Yukon-FE (0x67) rwl sky2 eth0: addr [MAC address] ... sky2 eth0: enabling interface sky2 eth0: Link is up at 100 Mbps, full duplex, flow control rx lspci says: 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. \ 88E8036 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller (rev 10) I figure an insmod sky2 is worth a try (untested). I'll report back. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*) Please don't Cc: me. - - -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Terminal emulators and command line arguments (again!)
Steve McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I've brought this up in the past on debian-devel, but didn't follow > through at the time. We have lots of X-based terminal programs (xterm, > rxvt, gnome-terminal, konsole, ...) which Provide: > x-terminal-emulator. That's great and useful, but the command line > interfaces to some of those have shifted over time and there is little > remaining consistency. For programs like Seyon that want to use one of > these terminal programs, there is no simple way to specify options > such as the name to use for its window, and that has been the cause of > several bugs over the years (#315945, #398508, #502001). > > I want to fix this, but do it right. I can see some options here: > > 1. Force all seyon users to install xterm by using a direct > dependency on *just* xterm and call it instead of > x-terminal-emulator > > 2. Work out a standard set of command line options that must be > supported by each package that Provides: x-terminal-emulator > > 3. Write a wrapper script to deal with each possible terminal program > and map from a standard set of options to the specific options for > that program. > > Ideally, I'd like us to do a combination of #2 and #3: work out the Just curious, but why 2 & 3? Why isn't 1 considered the simplest solution? xterm is ca. 300k. What Seyon users can't afford 300k disk space or its RSS? vi's installed on every *nix box on the planet. Why shouldn't xterm be on every X install on the planet? My /usr/bin/vim.basic is 1.3 Mb. 1 seems a far more robust solution to me. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug reports of DFSG violations are tagged ???lenny-ignore????
["Followup-To:" header set to linux.debian.devel.] Thomas Weber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 05:06:29PM -0500, William Pitcock wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-10-22 at 09:03 +1100, Ben Finney wrote: > > > William Pitcock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > > > Unfortunately, those who contribute to Debian must be dedicated to > > > > ensuring future releases of Debian support the latest available > > > > hardware at time of release. > > > > > > That's news to me. Where is such a dedication required? Is it some > > > special reading of the vague ?our users? commitment, or do you get > > > > I worded that rather badly. You should imply "within acceptable terms of > > the DFSG" here... in this case, putting stuff in the nonfree firmware > > May I suggest that people cool down a little bit and don't assume the > worst from the other participants of the discussion. I'm just a user, not a DD. I've found this discussion very informative, perhaps because of the passion some have brought to it. All I'd like to add is, to all concerned, the other guy might be at least partly right. Damn. Personally, I try my damnedest to avoid kit that can't be driven by FLOSS, but I also taught myself long ago that Computer Games are Fritterware. I don't care about blistering 3D video performance, nor do I care about wifi. This discussion doesn't affect me (much), but it's very interesting. This thread doesn't begin to approach real flamewar status. :-) -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug reports of DFSG violations are tagged ???lenny-ignore????
Raphael Geissert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [NO CC, please] Trying hard. :-) > Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > > > On Tue, 2008-10-21 at 14:59 -0500, William Pitcock wrote: > >> If we waited for a release to be 100% perfect, it will likely take > >> several more years. The good news is that the amount of inline firmware > >> in the kernel is decreasing. So, eventually, all non-DFSG > >> redistributable firmware can belong in firmware-nonfree. > > > > Do we have an ironclad commitment to not add any additional non-DFSG > > firmware, period, no matter what? I would accept a compromise which > > First of all sorry for mentioning it here. But doesn't 2.6.27 partially solve > the issue by moving all that stuff to firmware/? it could easily be stripped 'Scuse please, just trying to understand the problem. Does http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2008/10/msg00599.html lead to a solution to this question (2.6.27 == Magic Bullet?), or should I be looking elsewhere for the denouement? http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.devel/msg/6b41aaebf198bc1e I've been doing a lot of reading and spinning my wheels, and it all seems to lead back to those urls. Thanks for nudges, Cc:'s welcome, I'm !subscribed. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bug reports of DFSG violations are tagged 'lenny-ignore'?
Ben Hutchings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I just wrote this: > > http://womble.decadent.org.uk/blog/for-those-who-care-about-firmware.html Drat, just missed: Intel Corporation 82801DB PRO/100 VM (LOM) Ethernet Controller (rev 81) Thanks for the article. -- Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced. (*)http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html Linux Counter #80292 - -http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.htmlPlease, don't Cc: me. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
