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2010-08-26 Thread posion bit 
I've just started my love history again with squeeze.

There are 38 unquoted $i in /etc in i386 installing base+laptop+standar

There are 172 "$i" (maching without spaces around) 38 of them matches
whit spaces around (unquoted).

Some are iteration numbers, some are directory, files, etc...

I've not time neither humor, to fill such bugs or not bugs depending
on the situation.

That has been my first command after login:

grep -R ' $i ' /etc/ | grep -viE '(binary|no such)'

Just in case that some good person as time and humor (what I lack
today) to review it and file the bug if may be convenient.



Greetings
Iñigo


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Re: 38

2010-08-27 Thread posion bit 
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Adam Borowski  wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 10:30:07AM +0400, Stanislav Maslovski wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 12:22:08AM +0200, posion bit wrote:
>> > There are 38 unquoted $i in /etc in i386 installing base+laptop+standar
>> >
>> > There are 172 "$i" (maching without spaces around) 38 of them matches
>> > whit spaces around (unquoted).
>> >
>> > Some are iteration numbers, some are directory, files, etc...
>
>> >
>> >     grep -R ' $i ' /etc/ | grep -viE '(binary|no such)'
>
>> So, what is the problem with this? Both usages are legitimate (if one
>> understands what she is doing, of course).

look one so simple in /etc/init.d/rc

for i in /etc/rc$runlevel.d/K$level*
do
# Check if the script is there.
[ ! -f $i ] && continue

The [ ! -f $i ] is not going to make what she was meaning (thinking
she know what she was doing)

Now, as I am a troll, you can say like I don't know a fuck and
everybody with svn access is a master.

I'm not going to fill a lot of little bugs for this, I expect debian
scripts to be designed following some simple bash best practices.



> touch "o rly?"
>
> While many of these are false alarms (numbers, fixed names, ...), the
> problem is real.  Sometimes you even have a proper and improper usage on the
> same or on subsequent lines:
>
> (/etc/mc/mc.menu)
>          case "$i" in
>            *.tar.gz)  D="`basename $i .tar.gz`";;


 In that case, name-spaced filenames should work, because the
string is a _quoted_ multi-word string.



> I just don't get why posion singles out $i among all other possible variable
> names.  Or /etc/ when that's not the main place where you find scripts in.

ok, change by \w the example command and match more, but I think there
is nothing like a human (being) review.


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Re: 38

2010-08-27 Thread posion bit 
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Samuel Thibault  wrote:
> Giacomo A. Catenazzi, le Fri 27 Aug 2010 10:21:06 +0200, a écrit :
>> On 27.08.2010 10:09, posion bit wrote:
>> >look one so simple in /etc/init.d/rc
>> >
>> >                         for i in /etc/rc$runlevel.d/K$level*
>> >                         do
>> >                                 # Check if the script is there.
>> >                                 [ ! -f $i ]&&  continue
>> >
>> >The [ ! -f $i ] is not going to make what she was meaning (thinking
>> >she know what she was doing)
>>
>> why no?
>>
>> IMHO I still think it is save and intentional.


In bash there is not SAVE the avoid of quotes on strings that you are
not SURE that are simple words.

Dot.


>
> Not if I have a "/etc/rc2.d/K03my damn daemon"
>
> Samuel
>
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Re: 38

2010-08-27 Thread posion bit 
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Steve Langasek  wrote:
> Given that he hasn't bothered to present a single definitively broken script
> in /etc but instead seems to think that his prowess with grep entitles him
> to leave this most basic proof as an exercise for the reader, I'm pretty
> sure the answers to these other questions aren't interesting.


I showed one case in /etc/profile
I've just fast looked and show another case in /etc/init.d/rc
I'm getting tired of all this


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Re: 38

2010-08-27 Thread posion bit 
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 12:13 PM, Josselin Mouette  wrote:
> Le vendredi 27 août 2010 à 11:57 +0200, Samuel Thibault a écrit :
>> > >Not if I have a "/etc/rc2.d/K03my damn daemon"
>> >
>> > Which is again the debian rules and the LSB rules about
>> > naming the init.d scripts.
>>
>> Debian rules and LSB won't prevent users (even root) from doing that.
>
> And if root types “rm -rf /”, is it a bug in Debian?

If root creates a spaced or hugly chars filename, or some program
creates it, is a bug in Debian ?

I just use to try to code bash, as bash needs to be coded and fix my
problems when they are pointed.

If this discussion should follow if any of the LOTS of unquoted
variables, (bash completion issues, filename issues, etc) just why
don't use the bug tracker as the kid nosier troll silly was stated
for.

In all the other that does not apply, let them unquoted, they will
look sexy to many young drm-ized people.


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Re: 38

2010-08-27 Thread posion bit 
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Marco d'Itri  wrote:
> On Aug 27, Samuel Thibault  wrote:
>
>> Not if I have a "/etc/rc2.d/K03my damn daemon"
> True, but then you deserve all the pain you will receive.

Hi again, Marco and all.

I would love to invite to community to take a read to common
documentation shipped locally or pointed in common #irc channels i.e.:

http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls

As any other in the #bash /topic, on freenode where I go when I'm in
doubt, as with other channels/technologies.

I don't know python, but sometimes I try to mix sh and perl syntax involuntary.

Maybe that this shared knownoledge, can help some day, to keep in mind
failure points, and improve all of you this w-o-n-d-e-r-f-u-l
distribution.

And I've still some questions about some things, but I do not want to
annoy the list, so:

bye


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Re: 38

2010-08-27 Thread posion bit 
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Norbert Preining  wrote:
> On Fr, 27 Aug 2010, posion bit wrote:
>> http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls
>
> Thanks, nice reading.
>
> Best wishes

I haven't write a line of that enlightened wiki  :-)

Just sharing information sources with best wishes to all debian
people, included all and each one without exceptions.


Greetings



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Re: c'toi le 38...

2010-08-27 Thread posion bit 
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 6:59 PM, Christian PERRIER  wrote:
> Quoting posion bit (poison...@gmail.com):
>
>> I'm not going to fill a lot of little bugs for this, I expect debian
>> scripts to be designed following some simple bash best practices.
>
> By what miracle do you expect this to happen (assuming you have a
> point somewhere) if you don't file bugs?
>
> Do you expect maintainers to discover this by being illuminated by
> some magic raylight from "$DEITY" (quoted) shouting, with a loud voice,
> from behind his|her|its cloud: "Thou Shalt Quote Thy Variables"?

Hello Christian,

   I'm not opening bugs by many motives:

- I'm not still sure if I should remain using debian other N
years, or stop now.
- I do not want to annoy more people (yet)
- People is working in releasing squeeze, If I could dedicate some
effort, could be better to review pending bugs, not undetected bugs
that depending who is talking aren't bugs.

   There are some more reasons, but I prefer not explain all of them

   You know that I was talking about more things than quotes in the
other day words that we crossed.

   Debian want to improve user experience... ok... think again...
instead of (or added to) the command-not-found efforts, maybe better a
man debian.1 as the one attached, and all the others linked in that .1
example (and maybe updates for some of them with apt)

try man -k debian in a default install. There are some things
but... search them...

you know, the prompt is very black at first login. If command not
found is good, a man debian followed by all other official/practical
docs I put in the example (based on the website).

   "Where", and "how" and to "which package" I should start filing
bugs to avoid coexistence problems, is unknown to me at this moment.
"When"... it is clear that I prefer not doing it these days that my
blood is running a little fast.

   The example is in pod format (sorry), paste this in a example.pod
and then read with perldoc example.pod

   How do you see this kind of things? and where should I fill bugs
about things that nobody wants to talk about? how do I fill "the
future Debian  bashrc has the bashrc that ubuntu had some year ago" ?
I don't see the "positive" way of do it.



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Re: 38

2010-08-27 Thread posion bit 
On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Russ Allbery  wrote:
> Could you please either start reporting (wishlist) bugs asking to make
> these scripts more robust against strange administrative practices or get
> tired of all this a little bit faster?  A large thread in debian-devel
> with no concrete actionable reports is basically useless and just wastes a
> bunch of people's time.

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Sorry for inconvenience all of you.


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