Re: Bug#283717: hasciicam: enhance Description
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 03:43:29PM +0100, Christoph Berg wrote: > Re: jaromil in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > in case you are an arrogant person (i don't mean you are, i just don't > > know you at all) then consider that the GNU FDL license applied to the > > manual and documentation of hasciicam requires: the Invariant Sections > > being NAME, SYNOPSIS, DESCRIPTION, AUTHOR > > May I suggest to move the package to non-free then? may i suggest to move the package out of Debian then? now please you all take a breath and stop thinking like a robot; try to imagine my position, the position of an author of software which happens to be included also in Debian. this is something that you should carefully evaluate in order to accomply to your blessed mission of distributing free software. I write free software, HasciiCam is just one, FreeJ is another, MuSE is another, they are all in Debian even if i never asked you to include them, still i love free and open source software and of course i let people do what they can with it. now you can imagine that I and I am offended by the argument of seeking "personal gratification" made in this same thread here! it's obviously not what i seek since i never wanted it to be in Debian, and you come and insult me in public this way! yes because in my philosophy doing things for personal gratification is not such a good behaviour! i find it an insult: my agenda includes the development of free and open source software for political reasons and carrying a political message, i make this well manifest thru my actions, day by day. this is all what i care of. and again I and I am offended by someone using small bureaucratic clauses of the free license actually as an argument AGAINST a programmer of free software. oh, is so great to be here with you guys!!! ok now please be careful: i'm talking about correctness and respect! I think many people here is being very arrogant and this is indeed not the first time i realize that among Debian developers, especially the youngs and less experienced ones, so i finally come to this small issue to give evidence to a more general problem here. To me eyes your behaviour is outrageous and i really hope you don't threat like that the people around you, in that case you must have very big problems in your social life! Instead i think you should really care to threat with more humanity people that you talk with on the other side of the screen; if it is not the case then please leave Debian development because yours is not going to be a good contribution, considered that such a collective project also requires social skills to be developed. In fact i do care about Debian and i hope it can get better in future, so please adopt a better attitude and take care to talk friendly to upstream authors - don't trick them on the basis of the same free licenses they adopt because that can be a big drawback for licensing free software in the eyse of many programmers! - and don't make your points on the level of conflict, but please SEEK AGREEMENT! finally, coming back to HasciiCam, i think that there is room for both definitions as previously stated in the thread, that is a good and peaceful solution and we should all learn from that spirit. so here i draw a line in the ground with my finger and say - -- RESPECT IS DUE TO THE DREADLOCK RASTAMAN do what you want, but give respect to who writes free code and commits his ideas to the community: that is the most important thing you care about when you are doing a GNU/Linux distribution. now please get out of my hut and go playing indian and cowboys in the garden you kids! :) peace, ciao - -- jaromil, dyne.org rasta coder, http://rastasoft.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Cryptographically signed mail, see http://gnupg.org iD8DBQFBrebIWLCC1ltubZcRAkF7AJkBx2W7V+6pDWGS9cGatWpGK+KB8ACePnoH NjK5fLAsQRPhV16pLVQDV4A= =S2+W -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Bug#283717: hasciicam: enhance Description
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 03:43:29PM +0100, Christoph Berg wrote: > Re: jaromil in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > in case you are an arrogant person (i don't mean you are, i just don't > > know you at all) then consider that the GNU FDL license applied to the > > manual and documentation of hasciicam requires: the Invariant Sections > > being NAME, SYNOPSIS, DESCRIPTION, AUTHOR > > May I suggest to move the package to non-free then? may i suggest to move the package out of Debian then? now please you all take a breath and stop thinking like a robot; try to imagine my position, the position of an author of software which happens to be included also in Debian. this is something that you should carefully evaluate in order to accomply to your blessed mission of distributing free software. I write free software, HasciiCam is just one, FreeJ is another, MuSE is another, they are all in Debian even if i never asked you to include them, still i love free and open source software and of course i let people do what they can with it. now you can imagine that I and I am offended by the argument of seeking "personal gratification" made in this same thread here! it's obviously not what i seek since i never wanted it to be in Debian, and you come and insult me in public this way! yes because in my philosophy doing things for personal gratification is not such a good behaviour! i find it an insult: my agenda includes the development of free and open source software for political reasons and carrying a political message, i make this well manifest thru my actions, day by day. this is all what i care of. and again I and I am offended by someone using small bureaucratic clauses of the free license actually as an argument AGAINST a programmer of free software. oh, is so great to be here with you guys!!! ok now please be careful: i'm talking about correctness and respect! I think many people here is being very arrogant and this is indeed not the first time i realize that among Debian developers, especially the youngs and less experienced ones, so i finally come to this small issue to give evidence to a more general problem here. To me eyes your behaviour is outrageous and i really hope you don't threat like that the people around you, in that case you must have very big problems in your social life! Instead i think you should really care to threat with more humanity people that you talk with on the other side of the screen; if it is not the case then please leave Debian development because yours is not going to be a good contribution, considered that such a collective project also requires social skills to be developed. In fact i do care about Debian and i hope it can get better in future, so please adopt a better attitude and take care to talk friendly to upstream authors - don't trick them on the basis of the same free licenses they adopt because that can be a big drawback for licensing free software in the eyse of many programmers! - and don't make your points on the level of conflict, but please SEEK AGREEMENT! finally, coming back to HasciiCam, i think that there is room for both definitions as previously stated in the thread, that is a good and peaceful solution and we should all learn from that spirit. so here i draw a line in the ground with my finger and say - - -- RESPECT IS DUE TO THE DREADLOCK RASTAMAN do what you want, but give respect to who writes free code and commits his ideas to the community: that is the most important thing you care about when you are doing a GNU/Linux distribution. now please get out of my hut and go playing indian and cowboys in the garden you kids! :) peace, ciao - -- jaromil, dyne.org rasta coder, http://rastasoft.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Cryptographically signed mail, see http://gnupg.org iD8DBQFBrepiWLCC1ltubZcRAqXBAJ9MVNTlU4YIu0dDUbSI4ZS2ccE0EgCdG+i+ u9ELjxj6ei62mglfUYwpEeg= =Pr0q -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Bug#283717: hasciicam: enhance Description
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hi Wouter, first thanks for your explanation, a bit more exhaustive, as well to Christian for his link to the GFDL debate (from another mail). of course i intend to release software free as of speech, so i am evaluating the possibility to remove the invariant sections for your Sarge release (even if the codename sounds a bit too militarised for my taste). to take this decision, i would really like to know what is the FSF position on the GFDL issue, wether that differs from the Debian policy or not. consider that i didn't knew all this at all! in fact i was sarcastic when i named the GFDL invariant section, but here i see more and more that jokes are really not aloud here ;) well i just intended to slow down the arrogance of arguments being thrown at me, still obtaining the inverse effect. anyway it's really not my intention to step over your interpretation of software freedom for such a small detail. well, thanks for taking it easy. and a suggestion: what about including a header or a brief explanation on top of the bugs mailed to upstream authors, to specify that they might not reflect the decisions nor the intentions of Debian developers? if i would have known that beforehand i would have been way less alarmed by lamer-Dan ;) ciao - -- jaromil, dyne.org rasta coder, http://rastasoft.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Cryptographically signed mail, see http://gnupg.org iD8DBQFBrh1tWLCC1ltubZcRAhgbAJ0ReTE2DThd42TJJ6d1bkvftH0aGwCdEVtn HCxD5ApfikcIMWfVDJ/3ICg= =dXzL -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Bug#283717: hasciicam: enhance Description
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 12:05:08PM +0100, Christian Surchi wrote: > Il giorno mer, 01-12-2004 alle 13:01 +, Mark Sheppard ha scritto: > > Surely there's room for both > > > > Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold > > | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed > > |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: > > uppercase=bad) > > ||/ Name VersionDescription > > +++-==-==- > > ii hasciicam 0.9.1-1ascii for the masses: live video as text > > I like it and I don't like or understand all the conflict about it. me neither, but i have a remark: please consider the use of the wording "(h)ascii" since it is informative about the fact that we are talking about html encapsulated ascii. about the conflict, that has to be accounted to the unpoliteness of arguments: after all many people here should assume they are dealing with an author which is allready concerned about the freedom of his publications. > I hope we are calm and concrete now... :) besides my sarcasm which can make some people nervous, you can trust me on the fact i keep calm most of the time. thanks for your attention and all your activiy ciao - -- jaromil, dyne.org rasta coder, http://rastasoft.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Cryptographically signed mail, see http://gnupg.org iD8DBQFBsHFpWLCC1ltubZcRAu19AJ41ZPRJ4y9Wn79kC+x9pK37IcCClQCgl1+P 4jgaZI7gkx1NoYKZMEcloyQ= =VTZt -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Bug#208544: new upstream version
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Package: hasciicam Version: 0.9.1 Severity: wishlist new upstream version, major bugfixes included to support more devices, ftp fixes and better grabbing code. SGI crossplatform support has been dropped, also fixes to autoconf/automake files. thanks to mako for assisting me in entering this whole debian world :) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/Vf0NWLCC1ltubZcRAiTiAJ4u2LtEznchuPOTH+aS4gtKMw/lHQCggd0P Q4GR5Gce3h5uw3rpkrSKbmo= =GDCO -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: Time to phase out net-tools?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 re all, right now a lot of people is relying on debian for server setups, very serious stuff :| if you think to replace something so crucial as a network based CLI tool and its output then please someone write a wrapper that emulates the old behaviour, to keep the platform consistent and the scripts working. can backward compatibility be there, at least for some time? how long? have a migration time-plan, not just a switch in a release so close as lenny now, please! IMHO. and BTW hello and cheers, i'm new to this mailinglist, yet another debian dev wannabe :) ciao - -- Jaromil, dyne.org developer, http://jaromil.dyne.org GPG: 779F E8B5 47C7 3A89 4112 64D0 7B64 3184 [ B534 0B5E ] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIWDwze2QxhLU0C14RAjwqAKCWeh2n9pDy39Pc51ogBdbqk4Gk8ACgiOrr r1KG98u7PI+4E3F4PTZFwc8= =LpKk -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Time to phase out net-tools?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hi Wouter, On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 07:18:22PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > There is a difference between 'downgrading a priority' and 'removing > a package from the archive'... this discussion is about making > iproute2 the default rather than net-tools, not about kicking > net-tools out. oh, thanks for explaining. i'm learning to understand. for a moment i feared to see here the same kind of disasters happening in gentoo with radical changes of configuration and base packages... and i'm starting to care about debian, since i plan to rely on your work for some future developments. well then, wrong thread to introduce myself, but ok i guess i did :) ciao - -- Jaromil, dyne.org developer, http://jaromil.dyne.org GPG: 779F E8B5 47C7 3A89 4112 64D0 7B64 3184 [ B534 0B5E ] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIWkjxe2QxhLU0C14RAqOHAJ9qOEn54B5IajzHin69ihr9hjelaQCg0bw0 Ec88k7S1QiOmRtdNCmWMd8U= =S46M -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#493500: freej needs better short description
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 hi, are you aware of this wikipedia entry? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vision_mixer the short description was not just choosen by me, but also suggested by other video experts, as freej is in fact a "software vision mixer" so in your case please detail your technical background regarding these kind of devices, it is maybe a lack of information on your side? there are plenty of resources online explaining what a vision mixer is... thanks for your precision, kind regards On Sat, Aug 02, 2008 at 05:18:37PM -0400, Barry deFreese wrote: > Package: freej > Version: 0.10git20080824-1 > Severity: normal > > Hi, > > The short description for freej is not very informative and I > believe also not policy compliant. > > Unfortunately I can't offer a suggestion because I am not exactly sure > what the package does but "vision mixer" certainly gives me no clue. > > > Thank you, > > Barry deFreese > Debian QA > > > > - -- Jaromil, dyne.org developer, http://jaromil.dyne.org GPG: 779F E8B5 47C7 3A89 4112 64D0 7B64 3184 [ B534 0B5E ] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIlSjje2QxhLU0C14RAh2HAJwLPSbffoWSz76OrRRLPSi+C+Me7QCeO4+E lATr51mDR/0FZKjaT3IZmuM= =8lnO -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
bug #292231 - fixed in upstream, pending 412 days
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 re all, scroll down for bug references, here it follows human written desc: the manpage was fixed about 400 days ago and communicated to mantainer (also in cc:). mantainer Christian stated he would fix it but doesn't, still now he is too busy. i am in contact with another debian neo-mantainer Luca (also in cc:) and myself i can co-mantain as upstream author, we offered to Christian to add us as co-mantainers and he agrees but then cannot do it. we are blocked as he cannot add us apparently for no time, even if received clear instructions from Luca. how we proceed from that? package hasciicam is dropping out of lenny because of this. thanks for your kind help - - Forwarded message from DDPOMail robot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - From: DDPOMail robot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Denis Rojo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Possible problems in your Debian packages === hasciicam: (you are subscribed on the PTS) = 1 bug(s) that should be fixed for the next Debian release: - - #292231 <http://bugs.debian.org/292231> [NONFREE-DOC:GFDL1.1] making the entire manpage invariant is not consistent with the DFSG = Not in testing for 412 days. If things don't change, it won't be part of lenny! See <http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=hasciicam> - - End forwarded message - - -- Jaromil, dyne.org developer, http://jaromil.dyne.org GPG: 779F E8B5 47C7 3A89 4112 64D0 7B64 3184 [ B534 0B5E ] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIl9pye2QxhLU0C14RAi/nAJ0dO/OEcQ7HT5DP7mm979sXIRX+dwCg37bD y//q7NKEiyrPfUj1viWB3F0= =oO+h -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: Bits from the Debian Eee PC team, summer 2008
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 re all, On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 06:36:14PM +0200, Hans-J. Ullrich wrote: > Eh, yes, but kernel-module "ath5k" is still buggy (Bug #1542: cannot > get an IP with dhcp) now for almost half a year - and no one seem to > care. i can confirm this is no longer the case. ath5k works, you can refer to Jeff Moe's development on fre, rpms published at: http://www.fre.org/i386/RPMS.FRE/ > So I think, its is not quite a good idea, to use "ath5k" on an > installation media, especially for non experienced users. it is not about an "idea", but about using or not free software: i think debian developers are so concerned about such policy that this cannot even be a debate. ciao - -- Jaromil, dyne.org developer, http://jaromil.dyne.org GPG: 779F E8B5 47C7 3A89 4112 64D0 7B64 3184 [ B534 0B5E ] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFImIqUe2QxhLU0C14RAncoAJ9cXne5G9zZXF13M5TS+2vvx/rNWwCg3PIU laqjzFEoWP2krbw3WM3V+SA= =/1Za -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Bug#582321: TAG: dirsum -- commandline directory summary
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Package: itp Severity: wishlist Version: 0.4; * Package name : dirsum Version : 0.4 Upstream Author : Dirk Bartley * URL: http://code.dyne.org/?r=dirsum * License: GNU GPL Description: Dirsum is a command line tool to assist sorting out which directories in a filesystem contain the most bytes. It will sort all of the subdirectories of a selected path according to the total bytes of all files in them, including recursion through further subdirectories and mounted partitions. - -- jaromil, dyne.org developer, http://jaromil.dyne.org GPG: B2D9 9376 BFB2 60B7 601F 5B62 F6D3 FBD9 C2B6 8E39 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQQcBAEBCAAGBQJL9GfkAAoJEAslGzkIl3JRUzEgAKOpEnZGKvwoK09wrQPBaN3x 0/XzQp9KSStqom6Vy8bw3fS1qWpUCPGN+EsJH37CD4ptlz6aoApY1I00a8rjX5Qi AbA4WcDrl0P2Y+hkw9yT+9heJcAMaPfS+ViU5xNbt1h8+Jb2cMoMNBapDwB33ZYA f1jsSiMUTdZxvn+00OJwyqyh5iCqTJwQlo0F9EINt6zQUzsKLUGJ/4nVsQbWxA/x oi/84xPNoFW/CB5Y2VkLdv8UaRhoXf9kgjh2rM5Fe0LDALoMVcByuOOz/78HIfI1 ibg7rSeOAnSkQaNLRqFW2tIN4R9DxQ4ryiYeWeQfTGz1TALcm3ywwgbhVPVOii2Y KaHfjhaEu2c4z+gwnKbDuj4DOaYKvPVuTbn+jICy9fVH/5NA2Sa5WwwFnARX56PC sxqGAYHaXtJFHDMQtCBsZywTxkjkBOIF/gEkJU1MXXa6hSA9DG4QglQhK+T3sQZr 7dcD1x8owDqceqoRLg0lm7hzuQ3EBUlbNO+E54wNBkyT9WMSiXekuKAgsQn9v/Ut 6h/AWjX6RiQS0oiIXINEBsUDrA7/dlLUpUO+5vR4/4K33AbnKy8N8spDPpwE/WDH Nh8IXC6qz6jUfzYJneDgfjFUxnpUhO4UKAtlAutVVJumdPmKTQ9MAXFuNATGIbBi Qqq2N3rQtJ6PdNqRS+IGS0nXse2QCiao2HBILc6GuSUwdIQDGQ5ivCNSpu4X3Sjh dsm889Wa14jFyoXUjSqKDWlxs7aEDjGmVESDmq3rB5Ix87z+lnrkrIhLf7qvF7K5 Bmedou6Oon4zIMgvrjrB2Nh3UJID2Aj7NOCm05csOKwFYpluRDrOA6OxQUbO2zGC /7TbCV/qPH28XjpavM0f4RFVRwJsHEIA7WhSfUYXXub8lSyovgBAvRJWhdRcSYnU nVKW1p7HImGvvReLIp1JjktceV2+C/nQq/LsvyUPoLgdIgHJH+GKG/drMZdK6tmg ffeb+6f6YtMLEMyh+xRwfFP760mLKOAQM/g2atuIPn02yvzr2RVX8RIsmpv8enz2 r3jVVd/UHzwOJQjhS9AosPgrTgqDz2Xle735ZtH1FpBTp6H+/DYi3jmi+BW4w9YR GxkPTAqPZnaJAkkJJJMPoc+RL/f9h//7nNgeIMoKhpfpGCEYRPx1eYD5RwhnFCTS 6nUDbQPtaRFENKw2wGzbCJrG3DO6A/Et+tM35zv0M2yIKUUaRQv2xSEnqsuV671u 6+m1TFOKBEdppx8KxNU2Qcc0EvsBzOnNq5KIEGT5ZLL+olgmjfbHpecikoXW2VAC B36iFGrBPnb/0HkbC5W7wKCdU7ZIh8o3cvSULNsMAAjtAbLgxG/J5ZaGM0EHDR8= =ci2i -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100519223625.ga19...@dyne.org
Bug#611660: ITP: tomb -- crypto undertaker
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Denis Roio * Package name: tomb Version : 0.9.0 Upstream Author : Denis Roio * URL : http://tomb.dyne.org/ * License : GPLv3 Programming Lang: C, Shell Description : crypto undertaker Tomb is a free and easy to operate desktop application for fairly strong encryption of personal files. A tomb is like a locked folder that can be transported and hidden in filesystems; its keys are password protected and can be kept separate, for instance keeping the tomb file in your computer's harddisk and the key file on a USB stick. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110131183012.ga5...@dyne.org
