Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop
Just my opinion, as requested below. Sorry for top-posting. I have just installed a distro on my wife's new laptop. It was Mint due to Cinnamon. My parents had an old Ubuntu with KDE 3 (he) and Gnome 2 (she). Now they have a new Ubuntu with a "their kind of Gnome" and they do noy like it. I use Debian Sid with KDE 4 after having tried Gnome 3 (weird), XFCE (does not mount my USB disks) and the first KDE 4 releases (not fit for release). It starts being useable now, but it still uses so much resources. My desktop works so and so, but is a dependencies nightmare so big that I have installed a virtual machine just for having a stable version of KMail in my desktop (I use ssh -x to the vm). As a resume, nothing has ben the same since the developers massively become mad and decided to kill the working, stable, usable and configurable Desktop metaphore and run like Lemmings into the current set of shits. Just a long time user opinion. Enviado de Samsung Mobile Mensaje original De: Tiago Bortoletto Vaz Fecha:09/08/2014 4:57 (GMT+00:00) Para: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Asunto: Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop On 08/08/2014 09:07 AM, Axel Wagner wrote: > Hi, > > vita...@yourcmc.ru writes: >> By "neutral" I've meant a DE without "dubious" solutions discussed in >> gnome3 flame wars all over the web. I don't really think we should also >> discuss it here, just because we don't really want to start another >> flame war :) > > If you don't want to discuss your statement, you should have omitted > it in the first place, because it obviously is no contribution to the > discussion. > >> Of course I have no real numbers! What I've said is just my personal >> opinion, based on that I've seen a lot of flame wars about GNOME 3 on >> the web, and a non-zero count of forks/derivatives of GNOME 3 all aiming >> at providing a "more classic" environment (MATE, Cinnamon, Consort, >> Budgie). > > Your personal opinion is certainly not an argument that needs to be > taken into consideration for deciding on a default for debian, > especially if it is formed on such dubious grounds. It is, as it's the amazing job which Jordi did on bringing good arguments in favor of GNOME as a default DE (even I'm not really supporting it). Anyway, I may not be contributing to the original issue this thread, but I have to ask you here to avoi being so rude with our users. And dear users, please keep sharing your personal experience with Debian, even if you are unable to quanti-qualify things in fancy numbers to please those who don't agree with you. Regards, -- tiago -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/53e59c2d.7090...@debian.org
Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop
Why not MATE for all and put a11y into it? Makes more sense for e.g. small computers like those in 3rd World talked before. Enviado de Samsung Mobile Mensaje original De: Josselin Mouette Fecha:14/08/2014 10:48 (GMT+00:00) Para: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Asunto: Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop Le jeudi 14 août 2014 à 08:53 +0200, Christian PERRIER a écrit : > > → Will you configure different defaults for different architectures? > > Given the current architecture of tasksel, I think it requires > important changes to the code and nearly nobody contributes to the > code: tasksel is in maintenance only mode with easy to fix bugs being > fixed as well as bugs or fixes required to cope with changes in > installed packages. Since a11y looks like a compelling argument to go back to GNOME by default, I think we must address that point one way or another if we want it to happen. I think there are several ways to do that: * tweak the debian-cd scripts to build GNOME images for Linux architectures and Xfce or MATE images for !linux (I can’t tell how hard it is) * make stripped-down gnome-core/gnome metapackages for !linux, relying on lightdm and gnome-flashback (that I can do) * hackishly make gnome-core/gnome metapackages depend directly on Xfce or MATE for !linux instead of GNOME (same) Overall, a gnome-flashback solution would probably be more featureful, but it is clearly less maintained than e.g. Xfce. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/1408009711.20025.6.camel@dsp0698014
RE: Cinnamon environment now available in testing
Does this Cinnamon for Debian include systemd ? Enviado de Samsung Mobile Mensaje original De: Margarita Manterola Fecha:04/09/2014 7:52 (GMT+00:00) Para: Debian Development Asunto: Cinnamon environment now available in testing Hi all! After quite a few months of polishing packages, fixing issues, and making sure that everything builds where it's supposed to build, cinnamon is now fully available in testing. If you already have a desktop environment, you can install the packages needed by cinnamon by doing: apt-get install cinnamon-core. There's also cinnamon-desktop-environment, that pulls in usually needed packages, for the users that don't have another desktop environment installed. There are likely quite a number of bugs that we haven't found yet, we will welcome bug reports. If you are interested in helping us out, we work through the pkg-cinnamon project in alioth, which also includes it's own mailing list, and you can contact us through #debian-cinnamon in OFTC. -- Cheers, Marga -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/cap+fksoksg-zfqvuryx7fn9ef6onpe-ew4fyujmfcdau9t1...@mail.gmail.com
Re: Trimming priority:standard
Sorry for top-posting Installing both is a waste of bandwidth (for netinst) and disk space. There are lovers of both, but most desktop users will never see any of the two. Having one easy text editor in command line is necessary. Both nano or joe will make that target. None of emacs nor vi does: they are not as easy. Regards Noel Enviado de Samsung Mobile Mensaje original De: Ansgar Burchardt Fecha:17/09/2014 7:58 (GMT+00:00) Para: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Asunto: Re: Trimming priority:standard Noel Torres writes: > On Tuesday, 16 de September de 2014 22:17:51 Joerg Jaspert escribió: >> On 13698 March 1977, Didier Raboud wrote: >> >> > One thought... there will probably be trademark concerns with >> >> > "unix".[1] So we might have to choose a name for the tasksel task >> >> > to be someting like "unix-like". >> >> >> >> Or we could just call it "standard system". >> > >> > Could we make sure the full "vim" is in that then? I miss it on every >> > new installation and I'm quite sure that's not uncommon. >> >> ONLY if we put emacs there too, cos I miss that way more than any vi* >> ever. With vi actually being the first thing to get removed, so that >> would be better way out of standard *IMO* >> >> (*lala*) > > Trying to start another flamewar? Let's stop this here. There are vi lovers > and > emacs lovers, and having the freedom to choose is great. That's why *both* should be installed by default. Then everybody will be happy. Ansgar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: https://lists.debian.org/851traivhk@tsukuyomi.43-1.org
RE: Debian name change
Please do not get ANY conclusions before we _know_ for real if he wrote any of that, or not, and if he was on his own mind or not when writing. Just wait. er Envite Enviado de Samsung Mobile Mensaje original De: Jihadi Jermane Fecha:31/12/2015 19:12 (GMT+00:00) Para: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Asunto: Debian name change As you may know you posted on you blog about the recent passing of our beloved Ian Murdock, by completely slandering his name, and the debian image. As a black American I find it thoroughly racist that you would even insist that changing the name to Euphemia is a good option. Euphemia is in no way relevant to the debian project no matter what excuse you come up with. Please do not try to include blacks in a project that has nothing to do with them. Signed Jermane King.
