default file perms

1997-05-28 Thread Tim Sailer
I have a client that just got carried away (as root of course) with a
chmod -R in the wrong dir. I really miss the chkperms stuff deom $CO
at times like this... so, I'm going to write one in perl. Since each
package has a .list file already, would it be a big deal to have
each developer to add a default file perm, and owner/group to each
line, and have dpkg not have a problem with this?

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Re: default file perms

1997-05-28 Thread Tim Sailer
In your email to me, Vincent Renardias, you wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wed, 28 May 1997, Tim Sailer wrote:
> 
> > I have a client that just got carried away (as root of course) with a
> > chmod -R in the wrong dir. I really miss the chkperms stuff deom $CO
> > at times like this... so, I'm going to write one in perl. Since each
> > package has a .list file already, would it be a big deal to have
> > each developer to add a default file perm, and owner/group to each
> > line, and have dpkg not have a problem with this?
> 
> I rather think this is dpkg's job. _(; We could (easily?) convert the 

True, but what about a utility that would be able to fix mistakes, or
just to check to make sure all the perms were correct and to report
the wrong ones. Again, this is like tripwire, but tripwire doesn't
fix anything (and currently doesn't work).

> .list files to a format looking like this (for each file):
> 
> 
> md5sum   size  owner group mode type filename
> 
> b4f978d71d6dd8d4558632b5a185f28d 37760 root  root  755  r/bin/ls
> 
> (with type being 'r' for regular files, 'b', 'c', 'p', 'l' for 
> (respectively) block and character devices, pipes, links).
> 
> 
> This is just an example, but I think this is all the info we need, and it 
> could easily be done by dpkg-deb while making the package.

This is almost what SCO has, without the file type and md5 (If I remember
right.. it's been a few years)

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Re: FreeQt ?

1997-06-01 Thread Tim Sailer
In your email to me, Raul Miller, you wrote:
> 
> I agree that configuration is lousy -- who ever thought that hard-coding
> interrupts, dma and io ports at compile time was a good idea?

Well, although you can't pass hw param at module load time, you
*can* pass params via LILO, so you don't have to recompile to
change the settings..

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Re: 1.3 installation report

1997-06-04 Thread Tim Sailer
In your email to me, Andreas Jellinghaus, you wrote:
> 
> On Jun 3, Jim Pick wrote
> > This flaw needs to be publicized a bit more.  I'm sure I would have 
> > figured out the problem via the bug system eventually - but I shouldn't
> > have to do that.
> > 
> > Is there a document where "Errata" can go?  How about a release-specific 
> > FAQ that we can update after 1.3 has been release?  I can think of
> > a number of questions that could go onto it.  This could be prominently 
> > featured on the web site and the ftp server.
> 
> i'm missing the same thing: debian should have a database with error
> reports and how to fix them. every big bug should be documented (we had
> this bud , and you can solve it this way : . it's
> also fixed in the new release debian  and in the package xyz
> .").
> 
> look at other distributions : they have support databases (www.suse.de,
> maybe also www.suse.com and other distributions). the bug archive is ok
> for us developers, but after a bug is closed, it wouldn't help. and a
> user should not have to read the whole discussion, he only needs the bug
> description and the solution to solve it.

Matt Surico and I have been slowly (very) developing a call/problem tracking
system/knowledge base system. Maybe we need to make it speed up a little
more...

Tim

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1.3 release

1997-06-04 Thread Tim Sailer
The mirror on llug.sep.bnl.gov is almost caught up to master. However,
master is not accepting ftp connections at this time... :(

Happy release! :)

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Re: problem with /proc info

1997-06-09 Thread Tim Sailer
In your email to me, Michael Meskes, you wrote:
> 
> Could anyone explain this to me?
> 
> cat /proc/meminfo 
> total:used:free:  shared: buffers:  cached:
> Mem:  96813056 95010816  1802240 122679296 11886592 37617664
> Swap: 65798144   229376 65568768
> MemTotal: 94544 kB<==
> MemFree:   1760 kB
> MemShared:   119804 kB<==
> Buffers:  11608 kB
> Cached:   36736 kB
> SwapTotal:64256 kB
> SwapFree: 64032 kB

Umm... I'm not sure what you want explained.

Tim

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Re: Debian ncurses policy ?

1997-06-09 Thread Tim Sailer
In your email to me, Andreas Jellinghaus, you wrote:
> 
> On Jun 6, Vincent Renardias wrote
> > 
> > What's the current Debian policy w.r.t. curses?
> > 
> > I have 6 packages (most with outstanding bugs) that I can't upload
> > anymore because I don't have any machine around with libc5, and we don't 
> > have any libc6 compiled curses. So what should we do?
> 
> same here. i was too fast, and now i have to downgrade all packages to
> compile with libc5. (i want to create binaryies for libc5 and libc6).

Let's not all do this. I can provide a bo machine with enugh space
to compile most things except X11... this can exist for a few months,
and the developers will have the root password. The machine will be
wiped and reloaded every so often to keep things clean. Would this
help anyone out?

Tim

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Re: Hamm: Exim + Chos standard?

1997-06-14 Thread Tim Sailer
In your email to me, Rob Browning, you wrote:
> 
> Nathan E Norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Not that anyone necessarily has the time, but would it be worthwhile to
> > create some documents listing categories of packages, comparing and
> > contrasting the competing packages?
> 
> Right.  I'm about to help someone set up a relatively busy mailserver,
> and though I'm only familiar with sendmail, it'd be nice to know if
> one of the others would be a better choice.

Exim, at first gave me problems, but has proven to be just what I
needed. Virtual domains are a no-brainer, and,  if your machine
delivers a lot of mail to a single machine or domain at one time
(like a dialup going online 1/day), exim will tunnel all the mail
down the one connection instead of spawning off a separate process
for each one.

Tim

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Re: Policy wrt Important (was Re: dc and bc in Important?)

1997-06-28 Thread Tim Sailer
In your email to me, Bill Mitchell, you wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 25 Jun 1997, John Goerzen wrote:
> 
> > By the current definition of Important:
> >[...]
> >sendmail
> >  * dpkg-dev should not be there since no experienced user of another
> >Unix would expect it
> >  * lilo should not be there because lilo is not part of UNIX
> 
> I read it differently:
> 
>   ``Important programs, including those which one would expect to find
>   on any Unix-like system. If the expectation is that an experienced
>   Unix person who found it missing would go `What the F*!@<+ is going
>   on, where is foo', it should be in important. [...]
> 
> I read an implication of "including, but not limited to, ..."
> into that.
> 
> However, I could buy some of your arguments that other
> packages (providing cc, lpr, etc.) not currently considered
> Important should be considered Important by this rule because
> they pass the Unix person expectation test.

Anyone that works iwth Slowaris 2.5 or so will tell you that cc is
*not* part of the OS anymore..

Tim

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Re: Vision of new installation method using webserver

1997-06-30 Thread Tim Sailer
In your email to me, Christoph Lameter, you wrote:
> 
> Since we were talking about including a web-server in the base system here
> some thoughts.
> 
> I often maintain headless servers. I always have to attach a screen for
> the initial install or if something is seriously wrong with the machine.
> 
> Lets say I have a new machine fine tuned by the dealer (who put 95 or
> something else we dont need on it) in front of me. I'd like to do the
> following
> 
> 1. Insert Floppy disk and boot
>A) The installation disk will detect frequently used ethernet boards
>   and configures an IP address obtained using BOOTP or DHCP. I can
>   then usually locate the IP address either via the BOOTP logs on a
>   Linux machine or via the NT DHCP display.
>B) The web-server will start running
>C) There is NO user interaction up to this point. Video is not used at
>   all.
> 
> 2. I can then use my laptop attached to the ethernet or a nearby
>workstation with any web-browser and connect to the webserver on 
>the new machine
> 
> 3. Use a web-driven configuration process
>- initial partitioning and formatting
>- running dselect (dwebselect?)
> 
> This would simplify the installation process extremely. I could just sent
> the installation disk to a customer far away and tell him to insert that
> disk into a new machine and I could remotely set it up from home!
> 
> I have a customer in Minneapolis for example and I needed someone to do
> the initial install before I could take over the system. He put RH on it
> since he knew nothing else. I then had to upgrade the system to Debian
> via telnet. Uggh.
> 
> If the base disks also would include a small textbased web-browser then we
> might be able to use the same user interface both for remote and local
> installations. 
> 
> Another benefit would be that those machine actually could be ordered
> without any video board at all leaving room for more expansion. Right now
> we leave a cheap video board in for emergencies.
> 
> This move would give us a tremendous advantage over RH in the business
> world. If anything is wrong just tell the customer to put in the rescue
> disk and we can remotely fix things worldwide (hardware willing to
> cooperate of course).

This is a GREAT idea! A few years ago, I took a look at Plexus
(I think it was written by Tony Samders). It's a complete server
written in Perl. Since we have perl on the resc disk I'll have
to see if I can find another copy. Being all text source based, it
should compress fine to save space.

Tim

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Re: Removal of debian usenet gateway

1997-12-10 Thread Tim Sailer
Christoph Lameter wrote:
> 
> Just ask and the gateway will be gone. I did this because I thought this
> would be of benefit to the project. If you want to make Debian smaller and
> make it difficult for people to access information about the project then
> that is your problem.
> 
> The gateway was set up after approval by Bruce.
> 
> On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Ian Jackson wrote:
> 
> > Bruce or Pete: please make an executive decision that our mailing
> > lists are not to be gatewayed to generally-distributed newsgroups.
> > 
> > Alternatively, Christoph could just stop, but I doubt he will.

Is there a problem with them being gatewayed? I find them very useful

Tim

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Re: Intent to split mysql package

1997-12-23 Thread Tim Sailer
Scott Hanson wrote:
> mysql-server 
> mysql-client (including libmysqlclient.so) 
> mysql-dev (header files and libraries)
> mysql-bench
> mysql-doc
> 
> (The upstream source also includes perl libraries, but I'd rather
> package these from CPAN.)

Good!

> This will allow one to do client-only or server-only installations. In

This makes perfect sense. I currently am running the donations page on
buoy.com as a client, and the main database is just a server install
on another machine.

> addition, the mysql package is somewhat cumbersome as a whole, and the
> new upstream version is even worse, with added tests, benchmarks,
> crash-me scripts, etc.

Heh.. yeah, but it's the only one out there with all that included!

Tim

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Re: Minivend

1997-12-25 Thread Tim Sailer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Minivend is a GPL-ed online ordering application. It's worth looking at
> (and I'm sure one of you will want to package it). See:
> 
>  http://www.minivend.com/minivend/

How much does it cost? 
 PerlShop is AdverwareTM. The only requirement to use PerlShop is to 
display the "powered by PerlShop" logo (see
 below) on the main page of your catalog, with a link back to the PerlShop 
home page, and also keep the logo on all
 PerlShop generated pages. There is no other cost. 

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Re: Minivend

1997-12-25 Thread Tim Sailer
Kai Henningsen wrote:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Sailer)  wrote on 24.12.97 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > Minivend is a GPL-ed online ordering application. It's worth looking at
>   ***
> > > (and I'm sure one of you will want to package it). See:
> > >
> > >  http://www.minivend.com/minivend/
> >
> > How much does it cost?
> 
> Uh ... you're joking, yes?

 OK.. now that I just spewed some good hard cider out my nose, I guess
I left out the line:

There is another shopping cart called perlshop, but I'm not sure how to
read their 'restrictions'.

That should go before the 'How much does it cost'. Starting with
that line, it was a cut and paste from their web page..

> >  PerlShop is AdverwareTM. The only requirement to use PerlShop is to
> > display the "powered by PerlShop" logo (see  below) on the main page of
> > your catalog, with a link back to the PerlShop home page, and also keep the
> > logo on all  PerlShop generated pages. There is no other cost.
> 
> Anyone packaging that one?

Sorry about the confusion.

Tim

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Re: Minivend

1997-12-25 Thread Tim Sailer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Huh? Is PerlShop a separate product, or a component of MiniVend?

It's a separate product:

http://www.arpanet.com/PerlShop/PerlShop.html

> How far into the egg-nog were you when you wrote that message?

Obviously, not far enough. It made just enough sense not to
sound like utter nonsense.

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per5.004

1997-12-26 Thread Tim Sailer
Has anyone mad a perl 5.004 package for a bo system? I need to
upgrade a box running mysql to the latest DBI version, but it requires
perl5.004, and I can't chance taking the box to hamm at this point.
If no one has it, I'll just grab the source from hamm and try the
build myself.

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Re: Webmin .. ?

1998-01-06 Thread Tim Sailer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Hello,
>   I ran across something very cool the other day -- Webmin
> (http://www.webmin.com/webmin/).  It's a web-based system management
> tool, which is capable of doing things like cron jobs and DNS administration.
> The developer has a version for Debian, and I think it would make a great
> addition to make Debian more "user friendly" .. optional, of course. ;)
> 
> I I'm not sure if it's GPL'd, but if it is, I'd be interested in taking
> a shot at maintaining a package for it.  The only problem is my rather 
> unstable
> living situtation right now .. but that will be over with in a few months.

I took a look at it a month or so back, and it looked neat, but 
the DNS part would *not* work without major mods, if at all. It has
no concept of includes, expecting all lines to be included in
1 file.

Tim

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Re: time stamps tomorrow?

1998-01-09 Thread Tim Sailer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Some files at llug.sep.bnl.gov/pub/debian/Incoming are stamped on 10 January
> 1998.  As I write, nowhere on Earth is it now 10 January.  

Linux llug 2.0.33 #1 Sun Dec 28 12:14:12 EST 1997 i586 unknown
 

  Welcome to the llug.sep.bnl.gov, run by the
   Local Linux User Group
at
Brookhaven National Laboratory

 
 
Last login: Fri Jan  2 12:32:39 on ttyp2 from sun10.sep.bnl.go.
You have new mail.
llug:~> date
Fri Jan  9 09:15:07 EST 1998
llug:~> 


Hrm.. that must be the way it was uploaded.

Tim (let's do the time warp again)

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Re: New official mirrors

1998-01-10 Thread Tim Sailer
James A.Treacy wrote:
> 
> Debian has it's newest official mirror. This one is in Korea. We now
> have a mirror on the mainland of Asia (yeah, I know that
> Japan in in Asia too). South America and Africa are
> being difficult. It'll be really be nice when we get
> our first official mirror in space though.
> Anybody got connections with NASA?

The next shuttle is when? Maybe we can get a Ampro system back on there.
Hey, doesn't Bdale build satellites? :)

Tim

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Re: libc5 to libc6 auto-upgrade script

1998-01-10 Thread Tim Sailer
Igor Grobman wrote:
> 
> 
> This version should be close to good enough.  The major change since the last 
> one that was posted is the ability to upgrade from files in the current dir 
> instead of a local mirror requirement. 

llug.sep.bnl.gov is a public nfs mount for debian. You can point the scripts
there if they are net connected too.

Tim

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Re: Upcoming Debian Releases

1997-05-20 Thread Tim Sailer
In your email to me, Christoph, you wrote:
> 
> > 
> > ***  ***
> > ***   Release of Bo is HOLDING for CRITICAL BUGS!***
> > ***  ***
> > *** There is one remaining critical bug that must be resolved before ***
> > *** Debian 1.3 can be released.  That bug is #9020:  ***
> > ***  ***
> > *** fsck.ext2: can't load library 'libcom_err.so.2'  ***
> > ***  ***
> 
> I have done a couple of upgrades to 1.3 and have never noticed there being
> a problem exept in one instance where the e2prog package was not
> configured due to a crash while upgrading (watchdog shutdown ...)
> 
> And v 1.06 is history anyways get 1.3 released.

FWIW, I agree. I haven't seen anyone on the testing list report this
problem, and I never saw it across roughlt 15 upgrades I've done.
I think this is a dead issue...

Tim

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ssltelnet

1997-05-21 Thread Tim Sailer
Can someone verify that this is a problem? I installed ssleay and ssltelnet,
and when ssltelnet ripped through the install, it never paused for me 
to enter the info for the certificate.. This is what it looked like:

Generating a 512 bit private key
+
..+
writing new private key to 'telnetd.pem'
-
You are about to be asked to enter information that will be incorperated
into your certificate request.
What you are about to enter is what is called a Distinguished Name or a DN.
There are quite a few fields but you can leave some blank
For some fields there will be a default value,
If you enter '.', the field will be left blank.
-
Country Name (2 letter code) [AU]:State or Province Name (full name) 
[Queensland]:Locality Name (eg, city) []:Organization Name (eg, company) 
[Mincom Pty Ltd]:Organizational Unit Name (eg, section) [MTR]:Common Name (eg, 
YOUR name) []:Email Address []:


This happened on 2 different machines with a fresh bo install.  This
is *not* critical, but just curious..

Tim

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Re: --> Debian Bug #10000

1997-05-21 Thread Tim Sailer
In your email to me, Jim Pick, you wrote:
> 
> --==_Exmh_1577184704P
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> 
> > 
> > In case you're interessed, I just got the acknowledgement of bug report 
> > #1 (which happen to be a documentation buglet in package qt-doc).
> > *cracks open a virtual beer* _(;
> > 
> > Out of those ~1 bug reports, about 2200 are still outstanding.
> 
> Congratulations.
> 
> BTW, if you believe the axiom, "A bug can be changed to a feature by 
> documenting it", then we really have 1 features.  :-)

I always was told:

A feature is nothing more than a bug with seniority.

What's the oldest bug we have? :)

Tim

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Missing xemacs

1997-05-23 Thread Tim Sailer
Since I didn't get an answer on -private, I'll do this the public
way. Xemacs seems to be missing from bo. It's in rex and hamm. I con-
sider a missing major package a bug unless there was a reason it
was pulled. Brian? Anyone?

Tim

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Sigh...

2000-03-13 Thread Tim Sailer
I'm trying to bring up another Mailman server, with Roxen as the web
server. This is freshly built today from potato. When I try to connect
to the mailman admindb interface, I get "Error decoding authorization cookie."
on the login screen, and every time I try to do any action, it throws
me back to the login screen with that error. I'm stumped, since I have this
running about 5 or 6 other places. Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks,
Tim

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100Mb/Full Duplex

2000-03-22 Thread Tim Sailer
Hi folks.

I'm having some trouble, actually with a Cisco 6509 switch, but getting
it to talk to 20 VALinux machines. My story:

I have a rack of 20 machines needing to talk to a Pix firewall with
gigbit interfaces on it. To do this, we set up a test rig using an Alteon
switch with 1 gigabit interface and 24 100bT ports for the boxes.
When we run in this mode, everything performs well. Now, we switch this
over to the Cr^Hisco switch, and it all goes to hell. It seems like the
6509 doesn't negotiate with the EEPro100 NICs in the linux boxes. Errors
out the butt, and the switch ports claim that they are talking 10/half
when they should be talking 100/full.

I've looked at the NIC driver source, but it's non-obvious, to me anyway,
how to lock these puppies in 100/full. Any pointers?

Thanks,
Tim

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Re: ssl browsers

1998-06-12 Thread Tim Sailer
On Fri, Jun 12, 1998 at 08:47:37PM +0300, Tommi Virtanen wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 11, 1998 at 03:37:11PM +0100, Luis Francisco Gonzalez wrote:
> > I wanted to know what ssl-enabled browsers we have in debian now. Also
> > does anybody know if ftps:// is a valid URL for ssl-enabled ftp?
> 
>   fortify (in non-US) can patch Netscapes to support
>   reasonable crypto. It does weak crypto even without
>   that. HTH.

Does anyone know of a SSL-enabled pop3 server?

Tim

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Re: ssl browsers

1998-06-13 Thread Tim Sailer
On Fri, Jun 12, 1998 at 08:21:34PM -0400, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote:
> 
>   Tim>  Does anyone know of a SSL-enabled pop3 server?
> 
> No, but you can run fetchmail within ssh 'tunnel'.

Yeah, but I need to support netscape mail under Lose95...

Tim

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Re: ssl browsers

1998-06-13 Thread Tim Sailer
On Fri, Jun 12, 1998 at 09:53:24PM -0400, Elie Rosenblum wrote:
> And thus spake Tim Sailer, on Fri, Jun 12, 1998 at 08:58:25PM -0400:
> > On Fri, Jun 12, 1998 at 08:21:34PM -0400, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote:
> > > 
> > >   Tim>  Does anyone know of a SSL-enabled pop3 server?
> > > 
> > > No, but you can run fetchmail within ssh 'tunnel'.
> > 
> > Yeah, but I need to support netscape mail under Lose95...
> 
> Last I checked the windows version of ssh also supported port forwarding
> (or at least, I seem to remember a configuration tab for it).

Yes, and it's an ugly method, and costs $99/seat. Netscape has
native support for SSL. I'm trying to avoid clear passwords
across the network. Eudora and qpopper support apop, but netscape
doesn't... sheesh..

Tim

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