Re: Please allow the migration of the packages stalled in the MIPS buildd backlog.

2008-03-02 Thread Michael Casadevall
What about simply decoupling mips/mipsel's version numbers so an out of 
date package on mips(el) doesn't stall out the rest of the testing. Having 
(somewhat) setup britney/update_out to generate testing for m68k, it 
should just be  a matter of adding of adding mips and mipsels, to the 
proper lists in  update_out.py. As it stand armel uses this (hence why in 
update_excuses it says Ignoring armel dependency).


As I haven't fully gotten britney running, there could obviously be a big 
problem, but it might be a fessible way to allow mips/mipsel to have 
testing, and not break everyone else.

Michael

On Sun, 2 Mar 2008, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:


Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:57:03 +0100
From: Lucas Nussbaum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Please allow the migration of the packages stalled in the MIPS
buildd backlog.
Resent-Date: Sun,  2 Mar 2008 19:26:18 + (UTC)
Resent-From: debian-devel@lists.debian.org

On 02/03/08 at 23:34 +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:

I have not asked MIPS to be removed from the list of released
architectures. I have asked testing migration to be uncoupled from MIPS
building while the buildds are suffering. In a previous thread it has
been suggested that this operation requires a minimal amount of work.


It requires a minimal amount of work to remove mips from the
architectures considered for testing transitions. On the other hand, it
requires a lot of work if we still want to release with mips after that,
because from that point, testing and testing-mips will start diverging.
Getting them back in sync will be really hard, and actually, it's likely
to cause us to release without mips.

So, even if it would be better to have testing be in good state, it's
not a release blocker yet, and developers should concentrate on fixing
bugs. Users can use testing + apt pinning. I use that on all my !stable
systems.
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Re: dpkg semi-hijack - an announcement (also, triggers)

2008-03-09 Thread Michael Casadevall
I'm going to have to agree with this; I admin m68k buildds; I had to 
preinstall most of the texex packages simply because it was taking hours 
(and that is not an exaggeration) to install them all, and then remove 
them all again. A trigger based system would help relieve this problem. I 
had a similar slowdown installing texex packages on a slower powerpc


That being said, I neither agree nor disagree with the hijacking of dpkg, 
but triggers are important, especially for slower architectures.

Michael

On Mon, 10 Mar 2008, Adam Borowski wrote:


Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:07:15 +0100
From: Adam Borowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: dpkg semi-hijack - an announcement (also, triggers)
Resent-Date: Sun,  9 Mar 2008 23:11:16 + (UTC)
Resent-From: debian-devel@lists.debian.org

On Sun, Mar 09, 2008 at 02:17:15PM -0800, Mike Bird wrote:

On Sun March 9 2008 14:46:50 Cyril Brulebois wrote:

Is dpkg handling the boot sequence? Or are you confusing that with
dependency-based initscripts?


I hope I'm not mis-stating Frans's position when I say that Frans
believes dpkg triggers are the best way to install dependency-based
initscripts[0].  Otherwise the installer unnecessarily and repetitively
globally recalculates initscript dependencies for each package installed.

I expect dpkg triggers would also be valuable for things like mktexlsr
runs when working with texlive.


AOL.  Try installing anything tex-related on a slow or mid-speed machine.

So, what about leaving the bikeshed painted in Ian's color, and starting
from that point?  There are two strong technical arguments: 1. triggers
being a vital piece, and 2. diverging from Ubuntu is badly counter-
productive.

And then you can duke it out about NULL vs (char*)0 to your heart's content.

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Bug#470995: ITP: devotee -- Debian voting system

2008-03-14 Thread Michael Casadevall
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Michael Casadevall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

* Package name: devotee
  Version : 0.1patch2
  Upstream Author : Manoj Srivastava  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* URL : http://www.debian.org/
* License : GPL
  Programming Lang: (C, C++, C#, Perl, Python, etc.)
  Description : Debian voting system

Devotee is the debian voting system, used when offical matters are
called to a vote. It intergrates with LDAP, and GPG, and isolates
each voting task into a seperate program to ensure votes are not 
lost due to an error in devotee. 

-- System Information:
Debian Release: lenny/sid
  APT prefers gutsy-updates
  APT policy: (500, 'gutsy-updates'), (500, 'gutsy-security'), (500, 
'gutsy-backports'), (500, 'gutsy')
Architecture: i386 (i686)

Kernel: Linux 2.6.22-14-generic (SMP w/1 CPU core)
Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
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Re: Future of the s390 port

2009-08-31 Thread Michael Casadevall
On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Aug 31, Bastian Blank  wrote:
>
>> I doubt that I would be able to push this port through another release
>> in the current state. The consequence would by that the port dies
>> completely and with it the only free and released distribution for this
>> machines.
> Is this really an important problem?
> Does a significant number of people actually use Debian/s390 on
> production servers? And if they exist, why they are not helping?
>
I think a bigger question is where do you find hardware where you can
get remote root on; I'm not very familiar with s390 or mainframes in
general, but its not a piece of hardware one individual person would
own. I'm aware of the Hercules emulator, but that doesn't seem like it
would be useful for general development of a port.
Michael
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Re: Package management unsafe?

2008-07-11 Thread Michael Casadevall
Maybe a check should be added to APT to flag a warning if there has been no
updates for a significant period of time? That way if a mirror ever does
that, its more detectable.
Michael

On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Steinar H. Gunderson <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 07:36:44AM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>
http://www.cs.arizona.edu/people/justin/packagemanagersecurity/attacks-on-package-managers.html
>>
>> What are people's thoughts on this?
>
> It's been known for quite a while. (I asked one of the guys publishing it,
> and he was fully aware of that, but felt it was still important to bring
> light to it.)
>
> In any case, it's pretty hard to exploit as long as you have security
updates
> on a different (trusted) server. The best thing you can do is DoS the
process
> so the user's package management software crashes, or simply never update
> your mirror so users don't get updates.
>
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Re: Package management unsafe?

2008-07-11 Thread Michael Casadevall
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It doesn't have to have updated packages, maybe have something like this

APT-Ping: *timestamp*

and then push out a new packages file with just an updated timestamp in it.
Michael


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On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 8:39 PM, Frank Lichtenheld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 11:48:03AM -0400, Michael Casadevall wrote:
> > Maybe a check should be added to APT to flag a warning if there has been
> no
> > updates for a significant period of time? That way if a mirror ever does
> > that, its more detectable.
>
> That really doesn't make any sense for stable users since our point
> releases aren't exactly weekly ;)
>
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Re: Packages getting marked not-for-us

2008-08-06 Thread Michael Casadevall
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like a pretty bad idea to NFU software
that can be compiled on an architecture even if it doesn't seem that useful.
I have the X11 libraries on my NSLU2, which lacks any graphical output, but
I use it as an X11 server.

That being said, I can see the point from the s390 build admins; as a m68k
porter, I don't think we need to spend the time compiling fight sims and
such for an architecture that has no where close to the processing power to
run it, and thus I can see why NFUing useless packages can help save wear
and tear on the s390 buildds.
Michael
On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 4:58 PM, Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 12:21:52PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
>
> > This seems to happen to me most often on the s390 build daemon, and has
> > happened with at least 3 to 5 different packages now.  (Current example
> > is hpodder).  In fact, I don't think I've ever seen it happen elsewhere.
>
> > It seems to happen when build-deps don't get satisfied, or where there
> > is some problem installing the build-deps.
>
> This is quite common with the s390 buildd - it tends to happen when it
> appears that the package may not be useful on s390 (eg, due to apparing
> to require hardware not available on s390), apparently based on the
> package description.
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Re: What is the target used by buildd?

2008-08-08 Thread Michael Casadevall
sbuild calls dpkg-buildpackage to build the package. It doesn't touch
the rules file directly.

On 8/8/08, Francisco Moya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I believed buildd.debian.org was meant to build only binary-arch packages.
>
> But in recent build logs of the zeroc-ice package:
> http://buildd.debian.org/build.cgi?pkg=zeroc-ice;ver=3.3.0-4
> I found buildd tried to build a binary-indep package (libzeroc-ice-3.3-cil).
>
> Using ./debian/rules binary-arch in a chrooted environment in an x86 box
> works as expected. I made my x86 build log for binary-arch target available
> at
> http://arco.esi.uclm.es/~francisco.moya/debian/zeroc-ice_3.3.0-4_i386.build
>
> Is this a buildd/sbuild/wanna-peruse bug?
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: projectb users - we want you

2008-08-12 Thread Michael Casadevall
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I'm not a DD so I can't add myself to the list; I'd like to see better
support for importing dsc files and binaries into the archive (aka to
importing an existing archives (import-archive now works  though after
I gave it a lobotomy).

Database wise, the only thing I could see being a worthwhile
improvement to whats already there would maybe be moving the bug
closed lists to the database so they can be queried without having to
go parsing through text files. That being said, that improvement
probably would only affect Debian itself, and very few dak/projectb
users.
Michael

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On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 5:38 PM, Cameron Dale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Joerg Jaspert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Please login to merkel and add yourself to ~joerg/projectb.users (the
>> file is mode 666, so everyone with login is able to do it).
>
> Done. I'm surprised at the few entries after almost a week. Is no one
> using projectb, or is everyone busy at debconf?
>
>> Also, as a user, or potential user, of that database - feel free to let
>> us know what other data you would like to see in it. We might actually
>> put it into the database then. (It has to be related to the archive in
>> some way, so we wont randomly list, eg., bug data or something, but one
>> example would be adding the descriptions or so).
>
> I'd like to have access to all of the hashes of the files, SHA1 in
> particular, instead of just the MD5.
>
> Also, there's some information available in the archive that doesn't
> seem to be available in projectb, but that it would be nice to have.
> The suite_architectures table is incomplete (only listing unstable,
> experimental, sarge-r0, and etch-m68k). And there also isn't a way to
> determine the codenames from the suite names without looking in the
> Release files.
>
> Thanks,
> Cameron
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Re: Upcoming changes to supported architectures

2008-08-15 Thread Michael Casadevall
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I have a local mirror of m68k, and both kfreebsd ports, and they're
roughly 70-80GB including source. If ries has become so full that
space is becoming an issue, then dropping arm, hurd-i386, and m68k is
a stopgap move at best (your only going to recover maybe 50GB, 10 for
hurd (it only has half the archive built), and 20 each for arm and
m68k).

As for CPU usage and RAM, I'm not really seeing it; dak itself only is
"executed" during dinstall, where automatic processing of all dak
queues are run. GPG signatures are checked during import, which should
not be much of a burden. The only thing that should be CPU intensive
is apt-ftparchive generate, and only when importing a new archive or
rebuilding the packages files after trashing the cache files (on
modest hardware, it takes apt-ftparchive to do a full rebuild of an
architecture roughly 40 minutes, but unless there is an issue with the
caching, I don't see what the burden on resources is.

As for chopping up the archive into subsections, dak itself can handle
managing multiple archives pretty well (I'm not sure how great it is
about moving stuff from section to section, but that can be fixed with
a simple python script). It makes sense for me that each section that
already exists could be divided, so instead of say, just unstable,
have unstable-net, unstable-devel, unstable-base, etc. This has the
wonderful added bonus that having a new architecture could have their
own testing for sections they have fully built. For some of the larger
package groups (KDE, GNOME, XFCE), those can each be their own
section.

Each architecture's porters can choose what sections to include. I'd
say go one step farther and have a release manager appointed from each
section to handle that release; which has the added bonus of also
revealing the workload on the current RMs. Priority should determine
if something MUST be present to do any release. Pretty much make it so
anything that is Priority required or higher must be built, and the
rest is up to the architecture porters.

As for architectures wanting to get into debian, shX is currently
looking at least four ports just to handle the subarchs (that's a
discussion for another time), netbsd-* is dead (has been since '02),.
kfreebsd-* is pretty close to releasable; they've got the archive
built in the high 80s, and are keeping up).

It seems to me the current policy of the ftp-masters is to only accept
a port once its fully built and releasable; armel is the only
relatively new port, and that was completely staged on d-ports, and
didn't join sid on the archive until it was reasonable. When did it
that become debian policy? Running a dak server is not the easiest
task in the world (d-ports uses mini-dak), and configuring and
managing a local wanna-build isn't that easy, especially considering
there is virtually no documentation, and a lot of of it is trial and
error. All other ports were built within sid itself, hell, m68k was
the first port of debian, which created the buildd and wanna-build
infrastructure alll other ports use!

An added note on this subject is the constant trouble of adding SSH
keys to buildd.d.o. and general wanna-build administration. hurd-i386
currently hosts their w-b on debian-ports, and m68k has had constant
issues getting keys added to the point of sheer lucidity. How hard is
it to copy and paste a few lines into buildd-m68k authorized keys? It
just seems that any more with less then 100 users seems to be well a
second class citizen. A part of me wonders when other ports with
limited userbases are going to start getting dropped; for me, one of
the biggest strengths of Debian was the fact that it runs on pretty
much everything (only Gentoo can match in platforms supported at last
count).

As for dropping architectures, this was proposed as part of the
vancouver proposal, but I don't understand why we're following this if
the rest of the proposal was NEVER implemented. According to the
proposal, the four most popular architectures (i386, amd64, ia64, and
powerpc) would remain on ftp-master, and the rest would become
second-class citizens, and be moved to scc.debian.org. That same
server would also run a full blown dak and handle accepting new
architecutres. As far as I can tell, that never happened, and debian
simply changed that architectures must be fully bootstrapped and built
before they will be accepted vs. just requiring three DDs to advocate
the port.

I also read that doorstop.debian.org would be created for hosting
newer architecture, which would run dak and such; again, never
implemented. Right now,all  we have debian-ports, which isn't even an
official Debian service for hosting new architectures, and is
currently maxed out.

If the problem with adding new architectures is that reis is maxed
out, the solution is not dropping old architectures, its upgrading the
server since just removing older ones is a stopgap solutions at best.
I've been told ther

Re: Upcoming changes to supported architectures

2008-08-15 Thread Michael Casadevall
Well, there was talk about implementing a Platform: field in dpkg to
mark a package Linux, Kfreebsd, or Hurd specific without having to
adding !kfreebsd-i386, etc. to the arch list or P-a-s. Not sure where
that went (although I think dpkg now recognizes the field, which means
quinn-diff and perhaps apt-ftparchive would be needed to get it into
the Sources file, and such).

Putting packages that are unwanted in an architecture for NFU is fine
if the port is unreleased, but just a week or go, we had an issue with
a package because the S390 buildd admins had deemed it useless and
added it to that list.
Michael

On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 9:03 PM, Samuel Thibault
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Michael Casadevall wrote
>> kfreebsd-* is pretty close to releasable; they've got the archive
>> built in the high 80s, and are keeping up).
>
> BTW, it may be worth noting that a bunch of packages still include
>  headers: in the Failed part of hurd-i386, 178 packages out
> of 1320 fail at least because of inclusion of #include 
> (there could be others hidden by other compilation problems). That's
> 2.29% of the 7748 packages in our wanna-build database!... And we still
> have 1952 packages in the dep-wait state, a lot of them probably include
>  too...
>
> Some of these packages could probably be fixed into automatically
> disabling some linuxish features, or use more standard headers (like
> sys/types.h...), but still a bunch of tools use  for a
> very good reason. The 95% figure may have to be revised unless we ask
> non-linux ports to implement linuxish interfaces...
>
> Samuel
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Re: [DRAFT] resolving DFSG violations

2008-10-30 Thread Michael Casadevall
I'll add my two cents.

I have some experience with radios. The FCC requires all radios to be
certified before they can be sold, and there is a requirement that you
must not make a device that is easily modifiable to operate outside
the limits put forth by the FCC. In this case, it would be illegal to
release the firmware's source code since it would violate the FCC
rules, violate and void the radio's certification (and this also
applies to Wifi/Bluetooth devices).

I do agree firmwares fall under the DFSG and the social contract, and
they should be split out, but included on the CD/DVDs so I can at
least enable full hardware support out of the box.
Michael

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Michelle Konzack
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Am 2008-10-30 17:49:40, schrieb Giacomo A. Catenazzi:
>> But most of the firmwares are outside wireless communication.
>
> Right, but they are some like the one from me.
>
>> How many manufacturers was sued because users burn the monitors
>> (it was very easy) or other hardwares  (e.g. try with hdparam) ?
>
> Do you think, someone (manufacturers) is making it public?
>
>> How many non conforming GSM devices are sold? How many of such devices
>> are recalled by manufactures?
>
> You can not even sell GSM devices, if your software is not certified.
> The recalls are very very low...  because they are tested
>
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Re: I hereby resign as secretary

2008-12-19 Thread Michael Casadevall
The problem is you can't wave a magic wand, and fix the community.
It's a self-feeding cycle which goes on and on and on. Even if we had
a Code of Conduct for Debian, unless it was strongly enforced, its the
same problem.

Whether the ballot was valid or not was immaterial, the response to it
was clearly inappropriate. If we flamed people to hell and called for
their removal for every mistake, we won't have a single developer or
user left. Maybe its worth considering adopting a CoC for Debian, and
actually enforcing it, but that's someone for the community to decide,
should we ever get past flaming each other to get something done.
Michael

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:18 AM, Lionel Elie Mamane  wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:57:06PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
>
>> Well, I haven't left, but I do far less with Debian now than I used
>> to.
>
>> It is still my preferred OS for a variety of reasons. (...)
>
>> I get no joy whatsoever out of the current mailing list
>> discussions. (...) We're here to make a Free operating system, dammit.
>> People that are not here to make a Free operating system shouldn't be
>> here.
>
>> I have considered leaving the project several times this year.  The
>> fun of being a Debian developer went away long ago.  I maintain
>> packages for my own utility now, at home and at work, and that's it.
>
> I do recognise in me the same symptoms as those you describe. I
> haven't really analysed much to have an opinion on whether I ascribe
> them to the same causes as you or not.
>
> Several of my DD friends have solved the problem by unsubscribing from
> d-de...@l.d.o, d-v...@l.d.o, etc.
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Re: problems with the concept of unstable -> testing

2008-12-22 Thread Michael Casadevall
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 5:55 AM, Russell Coker  wrote:
> On Monday 22 December 2008 17:55, "Paul Wise"  wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 6:08 AM, Kjeldgaard Morten
>>
>>  wrote:
>> > Another model that I think has not been discussed is never freezing
>> > stable.
>>
>> Freezing is the whole point of stable, if we didn't freeze it, it has
>> no reason to exist.
>
> In the current design "stable" means frozen.
>
> The suggestion was that you have a branch named "stable" (which actually could
> be given some other name) that consists of packages that have been
> through "testing" and found to pass some criteria suggesting quality (in the
> same way that "testing" has packages that have passed through "unstable"
> after some days of delay without new versions).
>
> Then the frozen branches would have some name other than "stable".
>
> Basically it's a suggestion for two levels of "testing".
>

The thought of a rolling release system has a lot of appeal to me for
desktop usage, but not for server usage, since each update contains
the potential to break things. It might be worth investigating into, I
know such infrequent releases makes using RELEASE-backports, or
running testing becomes almost essential if you want updated tools.

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Re: Thoughts about including scsiaddgui

2007-08-30 Thread Michael Casadevall
Hi, 
On Thu, 2007-08-30 at 09:43 +0200, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2007 at 08:22:36AM +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
> > Yes. Except that you don't have to go trying to find someone. You should
> > file a RFP bug against wnpp and wait until someone has sufficient
> > interest and skills to take on the maintenance of this package in
> > Debian.
> 
> Has there ever been a case where an RFP bug has actually stimulated anyone
> into packaging a given piece of software?

I packaged nrss two days ago (its still on mentors.debian.org) due to an
RFP, and after that one gets a sponsor, I'll probably see if any other
packages there interest me, and then package them.
Michael

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