RE: Intel Atom Poulsbo chipset Xorg driver in Debian
It seems since the last post, some more work got done on the Poulsbo chipset[1] from Ubuntu folks. People have reported to get it working on Fedora 10+ [2] and even Gentoo [3] also using the source Fedora source packages posted by Adam W. I do understand that with Debian's strict policy this might not be an appropriate package to be included in the repos right now but I was wondering if somebody can throw some pointers on how to get this working on Debian Lenny so that individual users can get their hardware working (GAM 500) using Xorg driver if they choose to do so. For me, right now I don't care about 3D acceleration stuff. All I am looking for is a basic Xorg driver with 2D stuff working. I am not a DD or a kernel hacker but I would be happy to do some trial and error work in order to get the packages compile and install on Debian Lenny. Any help would be much appreciated. [1] http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mobile/ubuntu/pool/main/p/psb-kernel-source/?C=M;O=A [2] http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/05/13/native-poulsbo-gma-500-graphics-driver-for-fedora-10/comment-page-1/ [3] http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/05/13/native-poulsbo-gma-500-graphics-driver-for-fedora-10/comment-page-1/#comment-817 Kushal Koolwal I do blog at http://blogs.koolwal.net/ _ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Intel Atom Processor
Hello, First of all I apologize if this question is not appropriate for this mailing list. I scanned the entire Debian Mailing Lists and I thought this might be the most appropriate. If it is not then please direct me to the correct one. Now the question: I was wondering if there is any development amongst the Debian community with regards to supporting Intel's latest low power Atom processor which will be mostly used in UMPC (Ultra mobile PC). http://www.intel.com/technology/atom/index.htm While researching over this on the Internet I came across the following website which mentions about Ubuntu having some sort of support for this processor. http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/ubuntu-linux-remix.html And therefore I was thinking if Debian Project is planning to natively support these? Thank you in advance. Kushal _ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Intel Atom Processor
> The atom seem to be x86-compatible. so what is the issue that would stop > it from any i386-based Debian package? That's true. But it seems that these processors are low power and are made for Ultra mobile PC (UMPC) and netbooks and to take advantage of this the applications need to be optimized/ported to take advantages that this processor has to offer. For example, Ubuntu started the netbook-remix program to port applications for Intel Atom processors based on the Intel's moblin project (http://www.moblin.org/). https://edge.launchpad.net/netbook-remix And therefore I was wondering if Debian community is planning to have something like this. Thank you once again for your time. Kushal Koolwal I do blog at http://blogs.koolwal.net/ > Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:06:47 -0400 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Intel Atom Processor > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:31:23AM -0700, Kushal Koolwal wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> First of all I apologize if this question is not appropriate for this >> mailing list. I scanned the entire Debian Mailing Lists and I thought this >> might be the most appropriate. If it is not then please direct me to the >> correct one. >> >> Now the question: >> I was wondering if there is any development amongst the Debian community >> with regards to supporting Intel's latest low power Atom processor which >> will be mostly used in UMPC (Ultra mobile PC). >> http://www.intel.com/technology/atom/index.htm >> >> While researching over this on the Internet I came across the following >> website which mentions about Ubuntu having some sort of support for this >> processor. >> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/ubuntu-linux-remix.html >> >> And therefore I was thinking if Debian Project is planning to natively >> support these? >> >> Thank you in advance. >> >> Kushal > > The atom seem to be x86-compatible. so what is the issue that would stop > it from any i386-based debian package? > -K > -- > | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | > | : :' : The Universal |mysite.verizon.net/kevin.mark/| > | `. `' Operating System | go to counter.li.org and | > | `- http://www.debian.org/ | be counted! #238656 | > | my keyserver: subkeys.pgp.net | my NPO: cfsg.org | > |join the new debian-community.org to help Debian! | > |___ Unless I ask to be CCd, assume I am subscribed ___| _ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Intel Atom Processor
> I got your point, you mean we(group of debian) should make a blueprint for > some Device like Netbook / UMPC /> MIDs. Yes. Exactly! >what is your blueprint based debian like? At this point of time I am not sure what is going to look like. May be it will help me if you can tell me what exactly do you mean by it. I apologize for my unfamiliarity with some of the terms. >maybe we can start a project named mobian (mobile debian) ? Yes this would be awesome. This will bring Debian up to the speed of likes of Ubuntu. I would be happy to assist in this with whatever knowledge and skills I have. Thanks for effort and initiative. Kushal Koolwal I do blog at http://blogs.koolwal.net/ Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:30:37 +0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Intel Atom Processor Hmm. I got your point, you mean we(group of debian) should make a blueprint for some Device like Netbook / UMPC / MIDs. what is your blueprint based debian like? maybe we can start a project named mobian (mobile debian) ? On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 2:45 PM, Kushal Koolwal wrote: > The atom seem to be x86-compatible. so what is the issue that would stop > it from any i386-based Debian package? That's true. But it seems that these processors are low power and are made for Ultra mobile PC (UMPC) and netbooks and to take advantage of this the applications need to be optimized/ported to take advantages that this processor has to offer. For example, Ubuntu started the netbook-remix program to port applications for Intel Atom processors based on the Intel's moblin project (http://www.moblin.org/). https://edge.launchpad.net/netbook-remix And therefore I was wondering if Debian community is planning to have something like this. Thank you once again for your time. Kushal Koolwal I do blog at http://blogs.koolwal.net/ > Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 01:06:47 -0400 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Intel Atom Processor > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:31:23AM -0700, Kushal Koolwal wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> First of all I apologize if this question is not appropriate for this >> mailing list. I scanned the entire Debian Mailing Lists and I thought this >> might be the most appropriate. If it is not then please direct me to the >> correct one. >> >> Now the question: >> I was wondering if there is any development amongst the Debian community >> with regards to supporting Intel's latest low power Atom processor which >> will be mostly used in UMPC (Ultra mobile PC). >> http://www.intel.com/technology/atom/index.htm >> >> While researching over this on the Internet I came across the following >> website which mentions about Ubuntu having some sort of support for this >> processor. >> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/ubuntu-linux-remix.html >> >> And therefore I was thinking if Debian Project is planning to natively >> support these? >> >> Thank you in advance. >> >> Kushal > > The atom seem to be x86-compatible. so what is the issue that would stop > it from any i386-based debian package? > -K > -- > | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | > | : :' : The Universal |mysite.verizon.net/kevin.mark/| > | `. `' Operating System | go to counter.li.org and | > | `- http://www.debian.org/ | be counted! #238656 | > | my keyserver: subkeys.pgp.net | my NPO: cfsg.org | > |join the new debian-community.org to help Debian! | > |___ Unless I ask to be CCd, assume I am subscribed ___| _ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 滕召智 (Ben teng) Tel: (010) 51660659 - 809 Cell: 13381221392 Fax: (010) 59792018 (0512) 62533261 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: freet15 _ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Intel Atom Processor
> The Ubuntu Netbook Remix (UNR) effort is one to provide a good desktop > experience on subnotebooks / UMPCs by using a different desktop > representation of the same apps. Hmm..I think the following text confused me from this website: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/netbook-remix "Ubuntu Netbook Remix leverages Moblin technologies optimized for the Intel Atom processor. Intel and Canonical are working to create a next generation computing experience across a new category of affordable Internet-centric, portable devices; including Mobile Internet Devices (MIDs), netbooks, nettops and embedded devices based on Intel Atom processor technology." I thought the Ubuntu Netbook Remix is result of moblin technologies Kushal Koolwal I do blog at http://blogs.koolwal.net/ > Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:51:35 +0200 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Intel Atom Processor > > On Mon, Jul 21, 2008, Kushal Koolwal wrote: >>> The atom seem to be x86-compatible. so what is the issue that would stop >>> it from any i386-based Debian package? >> That's true. But it seems that these processors are low power and are >> made for Ultra mobile PC (UMPC) and netbooks and to take advantage of >> this the applications need to be optimized/ported to take advantages >> that this processor has to offer. >> >> For example, Ubuntu started the netbook-remix program to port >> applications for Intel Atom processors based on the Intel's moblin >> project (http://www.moblin.org/). >> https://edge.launchpad.net/netbook-remix > > Hmm you're mixing many different things here. > > The Ubuntu Netbook Remix (UNR) effort is one to provide a good desktop > experience on subnotebooks / UMPCs by using a different desktop > representation of the same apps. > > moblin 1.0 is an effort to provide new software for Mobile Internet > Devices (MIDs); small screens too, but importantly *touchscreen* based, > and even smaller form factor. In 1.0, moblin software runs atop the > "Hildon" stack, the Gtk+-based toolkit developped by Nokia for its MID > series. > > Ubuntu's project to support Intel Atom processors takes the form of the > "lpia" dpkg architecture which is basically like x86, but with > different optimizations. Also, this architecture has been used to > enable Hildon or MID specific changes / patches / configs / hacks. > > moblin software is being packaged in Ubuntu. I'm not sure UNR landed > in Ubuntu proper for now. I think current UNR images are only i386 > based (not lpia). Ubuntu Mobile / Ubuntu MID images are only lpia. > > -- > Loïc Minier > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ Time for vacation? WIN what you need- enter now! http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergiveaway/?ocid=tag_jlyhm -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Intel Atom Processor
> So I guess that you were perferctly right to mention all these things > together (UNR, Moblin, lpia...). My personal view was a strict split > with Moblin providing upstream software (Midbrowser, Moblin Image > Creator, Mobile Basic Flash etc.), lpia being a dpkg arch, and UNR a > bunch of packages. Thanks for sharing the information. So what is the conclusion on this? I apologize if this has already been answered by someone - I am new to this list and hence I may fail to understand the way things work here. For now should we just keep track of the EeePC? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Status I know the entire Debian community is now busy pushing out Lenny (Wooh!!! - I am waiting for it too :D), but is there any plan to have something like what Ubuntu Net Remix (UNR)? Thank you all for your time. Kushal Koolwal I do blog at http://blogs.koolwal.net/ > Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:11:31 +0200 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Intel Atom Processor > > On Tue, Jul 22, 2008, Kushal Koolwal wrote: >>> The Ubuntu Netbook Remix (UNR) effort is one to provide a good desktop >>> experience on subnotebooks / UMPCs by using a different desktop >>> representation of the same apps. >> Hmm..I think the following text confused me from this website: >> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/netbook-remix >> >> "Ubuntu Netbook Remix leverages Moblin technologies optimized for the >> Intel Atom processor. Intel and Canonical are working to create a next >> generation computing experience across a new category of affordable >> Internet-centric, portable devices; including Mobile Internet Devices >> (MIDs), netbooks, nettops and embedded devices based on Intel Atom >> processor technology." >> >> I thought the Ubuntu Netbook Remix is result of moblin technologies > > After reading the above page, I was confused as well and poked > Pete Goodall on this topic; he explained that UNR is built in its ppa > for both i386 and lpia, that there are no downloadable Ubuntu Desktop > images for lpia, so it's likely that UNR is only used under i386 for > now, but work is in progress to provide lpia based UNR installs. The > Moblin references are meant for the lpia binaries, as Moblin is a set > of components targeted for Intel Atom, so the "lpia" concept is a > Moblin one, he clarified. > > So I guess that you were perferctly right to mention all these things > together (UNR, Moblin, lpia...). My personal view was a strict split > with Moblin providing upstream software (Midbrowser, Moblin Image > Creator, Mobile Basic Flash etc.), lpia being a dpkg arch, and UNR a > bunch of packages. > > -- > Loïc Minier > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > _ Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_family_safety_072008 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Supporting 2.6.27 in Lenny? - Long term support
First of all I apologize if this has been brought up somewhere else. It seems that on LKML it was announced that 2.6.27 will be a long term support kernel: http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/10/11/235 Since we haven't released Lenny yet (freeze state I believe), wouldn't it be a good idea to include 2.6.27 as the default Lenny kernel instead of 2.6.26? Most of the newer release of other distributions like Fedora, Ubuntu, and openSUSE are going to be based on 2.6.27 http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/10/14/322 Also I am not a DD so I might not be aware 100% of the freeze policy as I ask this question. Thanks Kushal Koolwal I do blog at http://blogs.koolwal.net/ _ Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_102008 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production
About 6 months back I had done some extensive benchmarking on real-time kernels applying RT patch to Debian stock kernel on x86 architecture. I read about call for help in maintaining,testing debian rt kernel here: http://marc.info/?l=linux-rt-users&m=123808104027590&w=2 I will be glad to offer help in testing real-time kernels. I only have x86 machines. Please note I am not a DD. Kushal Koolwal I do blog at http://blogs.koolwal.net/ _ Internet Explorer 8 – Get your Hotmail Accelerated. Download free! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/141323790/direct/01/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Intel Atom Poulsbo chipset Xorg driver in Debian
It seems that the support for Intel's Poulsbo chipset (Graphics GMA 500) for Atom processor (US15) is sparse [1]. So far I have been able to find a driver package in Ubuntu Hardy [2]. I was wondering if anyone has ideas as to if Debian will get the support for Poulsbo chipset. If this is not the correct mailing list to ask this question, please let me know where to go. [1] http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/01/30/intel-gma-500-poulsbo-graphics-on-linux-a-precise-and-comprehensive-summary-as-to-why-youre-screwed/ [2] http://packages.ubunut.com/hardy/x11/xserver-xorg-video-psb Kushal Koolwal I do blog at http://blogs.koolwal.net/ _ Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! Don’t worry about storage limits. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/Storage?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_Storage_062009 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Bug#533450: ITP: xserver-xorg-video-psb -- Xorg Graphics driver for Intel Poulsbo chipset (GMA 500)
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Kushal Koolwal * Package name: xserver-xorg-video-psb Version : 1.0 Upstream Author : Intel Moblin * URL : http://www.intel.com/products/mid/ * License : GPL Programming Lang: C/C++ Description : Xorg Graphics driver for Intel Poulsbo chipset (GMA 500) http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/06/msg00515.html -- System Information: Debian Release: 5.0.1 APT prefers stable APT policy: (500, 'stable') Architecture: amd64 (x86_64) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
RE: Intel Atom Poulsbo chipset Xorg driver in Debian
Thank you, Julien for your insights. > The driver depends on a kernel component that is not upstream, and > doesn't look like it will be any time soon. (And the 3d driver is > proprietary, with no prospect of being freed afaik.) Can you point out which code of the kernel has not been made upstream yet so that I keep a track of it when it goes into mainline. Also I tried compiling the source packages from Ubuntu repo (see original mail) but did not have any luck with that. Right now I don't care much about 3D stuff, I just need to get the basic 2D working. Kushal Koolwal I do blog at http://blogs.koolwal.net/ _ Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail®. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd_062009 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
