New Linux distribution
Bruce, I just read your letter to the debian devel list and your name sounded familiar. You were mentioned in a Linux Ham-HowTo as starting a linux distribution for amateur radio. The mentioned web page however does not exist (dns entry not found anyway). I assume that your current letter is a resumption of this desire. I have had my own thoughts along these ideas. There are several Amateur radio programs currently available for dos/windows that *NEED* to be ported to linux. These include contest loggers, satalite trackers, packet radio, RTTY, and SSTV programs. There is very good SSTV program for windows 95, using the sound blaster that I would like to see ported to Linux / X. It is currently shareware. A call to ham software developers! I have installed debian 1.3.1 (several times!) at home and have found that it is NOT easy to install. Many of the utilities are older than versions supplied with Slackware or Redhat. Examples: Man uses More instead of Less as a pager (this can be fixed but debian's man does not support the 'rc file format that slackware uses). LS does not support color (can be added but again debian does not support the same 'rc or enviromental settings found elseware). Getting networking up was a real head scratcher as a network configuration program (such as supplied with slackware and redhat) does not exist and you must edit startup scripts by hand. Yes a true sysadmin should know this stuff, but I had to find the answeres in a book on Slackware and translate to debians script format! I like debians goals and style but it needs polish. A good book on dpkg and dselect (along the read-ability lines of maximum RPM ) would help. If you set up another list for this effort please post it's url here or e-mail me. Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: on forming a new Linux Distribution
>If someone has the desire to install an operating system on a computer that is created, >supported, and distributed by volunteers they should expect to have to do some amount of >reading to configure the system to their liking. When someone does the install and >then proceeds to cry because the system doesn't do what their friend's does, >without being willing to read and follow the documentation I quickly lose patience. >It is a different issue if the person reads the documentation and doesn't >understand it, or the solution is not in the documentation. At least the person has >*tried* to help themselves. No problem here. As I said I *DID* find the answers and got my debian installation to talk to my ethernet card after making use of available documentation. But it was not Debian specfic documentation that was most helpfull, but rather general linux networking and slackware specific documentation that gave me my answers. >Yep, lots of apps need to be ported - are you volunteering? Ok put your money where your mouth is eh? I'm not yet at the point where I could make the kind of contribution that I'd like to. First I need to get my own system in order (I'll end up starting from scratch with debin 2.0 when it is ready for prime time). Then I need to learn how to program GUI under X (which standard? Motif etc?), I currently know MFC under windows professionally. >As with most free things, you get out what you put in. If you want a system >that is easy for the "casual" user, you need to develop that and be willing >to hold the hand of all the "casual" users when they don't understand why >the system is doing what they told it to, not what they think it should be >doing. Yes I'd also like to help improve system friendlyness for the begineer. >I applaud Bruce for attempting to follow this goal, and wish him the best of >luck in the endeavor. I hope it meets with better success than the Linux >for Hams project. Maybe Debian should become linux for hams. How about a default configuration for amateur radio users? And solicit more ham radio packages. I'm willing to write / port some, in the near future. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A few questions
A few questions from a possible future contributor (so please turn down the flame throwers as I mean well) I've seen the term mentioned here many times, I've looked in the docs but can't find the meaning (so it must be slang). What is a tarball? On the thread of .deb vs .rpm From Maximum RPM I see that rpm will actually build the package from original sources ie: apply patches to the source, then build from your makefile the binaries, and make the .rpm package file. I get the idea that dpkg should do the same, right? (Or is it not quite as automated?) Sorry but Redhat's book is better written than dpkg documentation. Maybe that's why Bruce wanted to use rpm? Other than one is free and the other is not quite... what are the tradeoffs between Qt and Gtk? (I'm slightly leaning toward Gtk right now). Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Yet another Linux distribution! :-)
>I'm collecting names of those who have either emailled me or mentioned >interest in seeing Debian a little easier on the novice user (but without >getting annoying to the experienced user!) and will be in the next day or >two trying to see if maybe we can get some projects organized to make Debian >and Linux in general a little more friendly. The net result is that the >above games dist and my mini-show-off-the-power-of-linux dist will be >possible. Just build base-files and floppies. The rest is already in >debian. >I don't think many people mind a few unofficial debian dists that meet needs >Debian doesn't quite fill. Of course, with such a diverse group, I'm >probably wrong, but I'll take my chances this time. => YES!! I think maybe this is what Bruce should have been thinking. I also will plug again for an Amateur Radio specific distribution. (IE: AX2.5, RTTY, SSTV, log, contest, CAD S/W etc). And yes when I come up to speed on my own debian system (I'm going to install GTK / GHOME / GIMP and see about porting my MFC knowledge to X) I'll try to write some of this stuff. PS my home email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
hamm
Does the kernel source package in hamm (kernel-source-2.0.33 2.0.33-7.deb) include the patch for fat32? I am getting patch failures (.rej's) trying to apply this patch to earlier sources from bo, so I used a generic 2.0.33 kernel source from sunsite archive. I will upgrade to hamm when it is ready to be CD'ed. Trying to upgrade via FTP to hamm would be too painfull at 28.8KB! I have been following this list for about a month and a half now. Wondered why Debian 2.0 was taking so long but from reading this list I can see that you guys are up to your a**es in alligators! (as we say in FL). My plans call for a small network between 2 or 3 computers at home (1 linux, 1or 2 win 95), with the linux system a file / print server performing backups to 4mm tape over the ethernet. Also will put the internet connection on the linux system (cable system plans to offer cable modem wide bandwidth service in a year or so). The linux box will also do AX.25 and other ham station chores I will need to write or port some software which I will then make available to other linux users, as .debs (and .rpm's (:->)). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
kernel make install
I downloaded the kernel-source_2.0.33-7.deb package and installed it on my 1.3.1r6 system. (I needed the fat32 patch). I now understand why I had trouble patching kernel sources from .deb packages, because they have already been patched, so patch tried to REMOVE the patch instead of INSTALLING them. The system previously had the 2.0.29 kernel installed from the rescue disk at the time of the install. Here's what I noticed /etc/lilo.config contained the line image=/vmlinuz./vmlinuz was symlink /vmlinuz->/boot/vmlinuz-2.0.29 After compiling the new kernel ( make menuconfig ; make dep ; make clean ; make zImage ; make modules ; make install) the link at /boot/vmlinuz was /boot/vmlinuz->vmlinuz-2.0.33. Lilo had run but the OLD kernel still booted until I made the link /vmlinuz-> /boot/vmlinuz. Then the new kernel would boot, and all was correct each time I might re-compile the kernel and make install to run lilo. IE: The symbolic link created at /vmlinuz when the system was installed was not consistant with what the make install option expected. Has this been fixed for hamm? ( Or have I missed something here?) Anyway thanks for the updated kernel. Is there a text file somewheres that lists all the patches that have been applied in a given .deb kernel package for the given revision of that kernel (IE: whats different between the .deb package and the .orig source files)? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
xteddy
Awhile ago I read here of a package someone made called (I think) xteddy, which was replacement login screen for X. I have just wadded through ftp.debian and could not find it. As I just got the courage to enable xpm on my system (WOW what a pretty login screen with the debian 'logo' and the spectrum in the background changing colors!) I would like to try it. I seem to recall that someone also sub'ed TUX in there too. So please what is the URL for the download of that package? Thanks. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
corel linux demo
I got a chance to see a demo of Corel's linux at the Miami Comdex yesterday. They have done a very good job of putting this together and from the looks of this Bill has good reason to fear loosing the desktop! They didn't demo their installer, but were bragging that it would install Linux in under 6 minutes on the average PC. They did a good job of intergrating Linuxconf into debian, and their graphical front end around apt looks great. I hope this piece of code is GPL'ed, and that debian will steal (borrow) from it. They have made some improvements to the KDE desktop, some of which look rather gnomeish. They plan to port their Wordperfect office suite to Linux via wine, which implies that they are doing some heavyweight work on Wine. This probably means that MS office will also end up on many linux desktops though! They said that the beta of their linux distro will be available for public download by the end of October. I hope some shovelware cd makers will burn their beta onto cdr and sell it for those of us without T1 lines. If they put it up as an ISO image I will try to grab the file from the office on an overnight download. Oh BTW they were also giving away copies of Wordperfect for linux, personal edition (CD only). Wordperfect is the only app they have ported as a Native linux binary, and after version 8, they probably won't be doing a linux native binary version. So WP version 9 will be a win32 binary under Wine. = Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
Re: corel linux demo
--- Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 05:29:29AM -0700, Kenneth > Scharf was heard to say: > > They said that the beta of their linux distro will > be > > available for public download by the end of > October. > > Hm. Do you have any information about the > following issues: > > -> How big is it? The only spare partition I > could try this out on is an > old swap partition (currently used for Hurd, but > I don't have time to > fiddle with that at the moment..). If corel is > going to shovel tons of > stuff (eg, X and KDE) onto my disk, I doubt I > can even try it. > -> How 'nice' is it? If it's a <6 minute install, > I doubt it really gives > you options about what to do. I don't need it > clobbering my Windows > installation -- or, worse, my current Linux > installation! More annoying > would be if it decided that it was going to > install LILO for me (I use > GRUB to boot) > I would guess that it's at least as big as a minimal install of Mandrake. They won't be including as many aps as debian has, they will probably 'farm' the debian selection for the most popular ones. Also they mentioned that their install process is to install first and configure later. This means that the user does not need to worry about things like network addresses when first getting the os on the computer. Only once linux is up and running and you can actually log in do you set up networking, mail and such. (Of course if you are installing OVER a network in an enterprise setup this changes things a litte) > I'd like to at least take a look at this and see > what they fixed (I seem to > remember hearing that they eliminated the horrible > flat organization we use for > packages and put in some sort of logical hierarchy) > but I can't conjure up disk > space or risk my current installations.. > They did mention that their installer understood package hierarchy but I only saw a static snapshot of a current install of packages. They did not demo the actual install of any packages. However the display did look better than glint or gnorpm, with a better user interface. It also looked much better than dselect (but then again dselect is rather long in the tooth.) > > Oh BTW they were also giving away copies of > > Wordperfect for linux, personal edition (CD > only). > > Wordperfect is the only app they have ported as a > > Native linux binary, and after version 8, they > > probably won't be doing a linux native binary > version. > > So WP version 9 will be a win32 binary under > Wine. > > Are you sure? Wine is not only a > binary-compatibility system; it also aims > for source-compatibility. They might just be using > the Windows version as the > canonical source. > I understood wine as being a library that intercepted win32 calls and redirected those calls into the correct X or linux libraries for handling. Corel intends (as I understand it) to ship the actual windows binaries (.exes) and maybe even .dll's with whatever wrappers are required to run them under Wine. There will probably even be a Wine based program launcher that will trigger of an icon for the installed program on the desktop or 'K bar'. Wine's ultimate result is to make the win32 API become a linux api as well. It would stand beside gtk++ and QT in that regard. Also means that the "setup.exe" program that is used by all windows apps to install the thing would run under wine as well, only there would NOT be a real windows partition on your filesystem (though there would have to be a file system or directory pointed to by the wine.conf file to take it's place). Maybe I'm wrong about some of these points but's that's how I interperted it. = Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
Re: corel linux demo
--- Bernd Eckenfels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 05:29:29AM -0700, Kenneth > Scharf wrote: > > I hope some shovelware cd makers will burn their > beta > > onto cdr and sell it for those of us without T1 > lines. > > I wonder if Corel will allow this... and I wonder > why I should use a system > which is not open source... > Probably most of Corel's linux distro IS GPL'ed. Since they also are an application vendor they might be tempted to include propritary SW on the same cd, but might opt to put such sw on a second cd (and mark that CD as NON-GPL) to make the issue clear. ALL of the other commerical cd vendors have their distro's on an ftp site for download, and one or two even provide the iso image file to make your own cd. As far as using none open source sw, each individual must make up his own mind. I think that the os is the most important part of the system, and theirfore MUST be open source. As far as applications go, I would use (even pay for) a good non open source ap if it met my needs and there was no pratical reason to look under the hood. Wordperfect fits that description for me. = Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
what happened to x11amp
I went to look for the sources to X11 amp on ftp.debian.org and they are missing. I remember downloading the source packages a few months ago, but now a package search on debian.org shows them missing. What happened? = Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
Re: corel linux demo
Actually I hadn't thought of the fact that you could link a windows program agains winelib to create a native linux executable, but it makes perfect sense. Corel might still need a few ifdef's to work around known problems in wine's implementation of the win32 api, but it would be quite do-able. --- Anderson MacKay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ech, I'm a bit behind on my -devel reading. I hope > this question hasn't > been answered down in another thread. :) > > On Thu, Sep 30, 1999 at 06:49:15AM -0700, Kenneth > Scharf wrote: > > I understood wine as being a library that > intercepted > > win32 calls and redirected those calls into the > > correct X or linux libraries for handling. Corel > > intends (as I understand it) to ship the actual > > windows binaries (.exes) and maybe even .dll's > with > > whatever wrappers are required to run them under > Wine. > > Wine is two things: it's a library for linking > Win32-source programs > under most *nixes, and it's a call interceptor for > ABI compatibility > under x86-based *nixes. The plan (as outlined by > Corel on the Wine > mailing list so long ago :) was to use Winelib to > ease porting the Win32 > sources of Draw, WordPerfect, Quattro, and Paradox > (maybe others...). > The guy in charge of it all on the Corel end is > Gavriel State, who is the > same fellow who headed up the port of CorelDraw! to > the Mac ... they > apparently did something similar to Wine and wrote a > source-translation > library for that port as well. Anyway, I'm pretty > sure the shipped > applications will be native Linux applications, > although they'll be > dynamically linked to Winelib ... very little > difference from how gtk+ > applications link to libgtk, etc. > > > There will probably even be a Wine based program > > launcher that will trigger of an icon for the > > installed program on the desktop or 'K bar'. > Wine's > > ultimate result is to make the win32 API become a > > linux api as well. It would stand beside gtk++ > and QT > > in that regard. Also means that the "setup.exe" > > Exactly ... but I think you're confusing the issue a > bit by bringing > native Windows .exe files into the equation. Were I > Corel (and I'm not, > obviously :), I would ship native Linux binaries ... > the issues involved > are so much less complicated in that case. It's > pretty difficult to do > QA in a binary-emulation environment, if you ask me. > Consider that few > effective debugging tools are going to work at all, > as an example. Wine > includes a debugger, yes, but the purpose of that > debugger is to debug > Wine ... and it doesn't do convenient things like > talk to Emacs, talk to > ddd, etc. Source-compatibility will be much less of > a hassle. > > Just as a status report -- I don't know the current > status, but I do know > that back in mid-spring of this year, Corel (well, > Gav State, actually) > claimed to have Quattro Pro running with very few > glitches when compiled > against Winelib. I'm sure they've come a long way > since then, so expect > to see good things. > > -- > Anderson MacKay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > = Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
Re: aptitude
Just take my comments as a wish list for the future, I know this stuff is still alpha grade (but still very usefull). Nice thing about debian is that it not only has a bullet resistant package manager (not bullet proof as per some of the slink->potato upgrade horror stories I've been reading), but several different front ends. Gnome-apt looks good too, (but has a bug in that the 'terminal window' that shows the 'action' goes black after one screenfull scrolls up). I installed potato from scratch on a computer via the web (had to install the 'base' from floppies 'cause I couldn't get apt to use a proxy at first to see though a firewall) but got the rest via apt-get, dselect, gnome-apt, and aptitude. (can mixing package manager frontends screw up things?) Anyway it is LOOKING GOOD! Goodluck with the un-freeze process! --- Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Mar 08, 2000 at 05:07:29AM -0800, Kenneth > Scharf was heard to say: > > I've been following this list (on and off) as I > have > > been using potato and uploading updated pacakges > > daily. I didn't even know about aptitude until I > read > > about it here, so I went and got it. Except for > the > > lack of a man page, --help option, or online key > > binding key it is a neat program. > > (/me cops out by pointing at the two zeros in > front of the version number) > > > What gets me is that aptitude, apt-get, deselect, > and gnome-apt all > > seem to give slightly different info on which > packages > > are broken, will be deleted, or are on hold. Are > the > > dependancy rules interperted differently between > these > > programs? > > dselect probably uses a totally different > algorithm from the others > > As for the apt-based programs: there are a number > of > > > Also how do you undo the result of the "f" key. > > You can't undo the 'f' key in the most recently > released version. Undo > support is sort of in CVS, but I need to fix it > before I release 0.0.7 > version. (and I have two major school projects due > in the near future, so it's > unlikely to happen soon (read: in the next week) :( > ) > > > Anyway if someone adds an online help key to > aptitude > > it would make a great replacement for deselect. > > (Looks great in color). > > The most recent version (0.0.6a, missed the potato > freeze) has online help, > although it's not very friendly (I just used the > README) 0.0.7 is mainly > a large amount of internal restructuring and > bugfixes and the addition of undo > support. 0.0.8 will hopefully address a number of > issues which have been > brought up in the last few days. > > Daniel > > -- > The New Testament offers the basis for modern > computer coding theory, > in the form of an affirmation of the binary number > system. > > But let your communication be Yea, yea; nay, > nay: > for whatsoever is more than these cometh of > evil. > -- Matthew 5:37 > = Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Mozilla
My latest apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade run this morning grabbed a new version of mozilla. It no longer works, it dies with a segmentation fault. Profile Manager : Profile Wizard and Manager activites : Begin Profile Manager : Command Line Options : Begin Profile Manager : Command Line Options : End Profile Manager : GetProfileDir Profile Manager : GetProfileDir Profile Manager : Profile Wizard and Manager activites : End Segmentation fault = Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: Mozilla
If this works, (and it seem too) then It would have been a good idea for the package script to have done this when debconf ran during the update. (IE check for an install of M13 and then delete any mozilla profiles with the option of creating a backup copy first). --- Nils Jeppe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Delete your preferences of M13, restart mozilla. > You'll get the create > profile wizard, and then mozilla works. > > Yes, it's still alpha software, why? ;-) > > > > > On Thu, 9 Mar 2000, Kenneth Scharf wrote: > > > My latest apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade run > this > > morning grabbed a new version of mozilla. It no > > longer works, it dies with a segmentation fault. > > > > Profile Manager : Profile Wizard and Manager > activites > > : Begin > > Profile Manager : Command Line Options : Begin > > Profile Manager : Command Line Options : End > > Profile Manager : GetProfileDir > > Profile Manager : GetProfileDir > > Profile Manager : Profile Wizard and Manager > activites > > : End > > Segmentation fault > > > > > > > > = > > Amateur Radio, when all else fails! > > > > http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze > > > > Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . > > > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com > > > > > > -- > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > -- > "Fool me seven times, shame on you. Fool me eight > or more times, shame on me." > -- Amy > > > = Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
XFree86 4.0
I just read on LinuxToday that XFree86 4.0 has been released. It is still considered 'unstable' so I guess it will in 'Woody'. = Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: Danger Will Robinson! Danger!
>I'd like to propose that we make a committment to >getting an update to >potato out within a month of the release of the 2.4 >kernel or the >release >of potato, whichever comes last. (I did a similar >thing for slink in a >3 >week time-frame, and so I think this is a reasonable >time-frame.) > >This update would NOT be blessed as stable, it would >be a semi-stable >release with: > >- 2.4 kernel and support utilities >- X 4.0 drivers (but probably just X servers, to >minimize changes; >Branden > has huge reorganizations in mind for X) > >This would be a full Debian release, with a version >number, boot >floppies, >CD images, etc, etc. After it ages for a few months, >we may choose to >call >it stable but at first it would be called something >that denotes it is >semi-stable. It wouldn't be potato anymore, it wouldn't be woody either, why not call the interm release 'Stinky' after 'Stinky Pete' from Toy Story 2? Sounds like a good plan. Going to the 2.4 kernel is NOT going to be just a compile and go, there are several things that have to change (fstab, init.d , etc) that should be built into the distro. = Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
release cycle flame war
Once again I am reading about the infamous debian release cycle. I agree that having a stable distro is important, but so is having up to date support for critical items. For most of the packages in Debian, not having the latest version is not a big deal as these packages are so mature that grabing the source for the next version and installing it yourself won't break anything else. HOWEVER a fair number of packages MUST be CAREFULLY intergrated into the distribution or they WILL be broken, or break something else. Going between MAJOR kernel versions (2.2.x > 2.3/4.x), XFree86_3.3 -> XFree86_4.0, etc WILL break many things and is something the casual linux user will NOT want to try to do him/her self. When major libs change (glibc2.0 -> 2.1) almost EVERYTHING COULD break. Changes of this order very well might require a complete distro upgrade, better to do such lib changes at release time, even if debian lags behind the power curve as a result. Can debian do better? Maybe. Could it be possible to create an upgrade task package that would upgrade ALL the necessary packages, scripts, etc needed to go from one kernel major version to the next WITHOUT a complete distro release? How about the same for Xfree86?. If these major components can change without breaking too many packages (requiring upgrades of the broken packages, probably mostly those in admin) then maybe these system upgrade tasks would allow Debian users to keep current without waiting for the next distro release. PS. I am currently running Potato on one computer and have had only very minor problems (mostly with package depandancies being broken briefly while new verisons were being uploaded. The developers have quickly fixed these problems on the download site.) You are progressing nicely though the freeze I think. = Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: Danger Will Robinson! Danger!
>>On Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 11:02:04AM -0500, Mark >>Mealman >wrote: >> I really don't like unstable either, but I've pretty >>much abandoned >>the stable tree as too behind the times back when >>slink was nearing >>freeze. >Here's a serious question for you: which parts are too >old on slink >to perform the functions you need? Seriously? >I only just upgraded two of my slink boxes to potato >on the weekend, >and it turns out that I didn't even need to. A friend >of mine still >has a hamm box; before that it was a rexx box. Works >fine, no need to >upgrade. May a third party add something? In my case there are TWO things that make hamm/slink somewhat out of date. I would like the 2.2 kernel for a firewall system so as to use ipchains. I also think I need the glibc2.1 lib for some third party apps ([EMAIL PROTECTED] for one). Otherwise, everything does work fine. Hamish -- = Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Becoming a developer
Has the process for admiting new debian developers gone on line yet? There is a ham radio program that I would like to see as a debian package. As I am not currently a developer, pehaps someone else might like to look into packaging this. Otherwise, I will do it, if I can run your ganlet and join your ranks. The program is QSSTV (the ONLY slow scan TV program that I know of that works on Linux.) As the name implies, it is based on QT. It now (version 3.0m) works with both qt1.44 and 2.0.2. It is also GPL'ed. Hope it can go in main, or at least contrib. The URL is http://ourworld.compuserve/homepages/on1mh/qsstv = Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: Becoming a developer
>From what I read on this subject, I thought that most of the flame war was on KDE, and that it might be possible to include KDE IF, they made certain specific releases in their license. Since I thought that RMS had appoved the newer QT license as a free license (does KDE yet use Qt2, which is the new QT license?), that this problem was going away. I admit I am NOT a legal expect on this kind of stuff. Is there a way to search the archives on debian-legal for QT? Maybe some of my questions will have answers there (If one can wade through the flames). Is there a way (via license modification disclaimers) that a program written using QT can be GPL'ed at all? Finally I note that debian DOES have the QTLib in the distro, will this remain (allowing users to at least use such programs via source)? I don't know if I would attempt to re-write QSSTV to replace the QT calls with GTK calls, but that would be a last ditch idea. Wonder if a tool kit for doing such an insane thing exists? Anyway I didn't intend to prase or bury the QT, only to get a new ham radio application into debian, somehow. --- Alisdair McDiarmid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Mar 14, 2000 at 10:08:34AM -0800, Kenneth > Scharf wrote: > > > > The program is QSSTV (the ONLY slow scan TV > program > > that I know of that works on Linux.) As the name > > implies, it is based on QT. It now (version 3.0m) > > works with both qt1.44 and 2.0.2. It is also > GPL'ed. > > Hope it can go in main, or at least contrib. > > I'm sure you'll get a lot of mail about this, but it > won't go into > Debian at all. The GPL is incompatible with the QPL, > therefore > distributing QSSTV is technically illegal. > > See the archives of debian-legal and debian-devel > for much flameage on > this issue. > > Regards, > -- > Alisdair McDiarmid > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [ > http://wasters.org/] > = Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
re:becoming a developer
To everyone that replied to my previous email. It appears that QSSTV is licensed under the QT public license. It is not clear if this is the older or newer version of the QT license. However, there would be no GPL infection here! I have emailed the author to get more details. The license info was buried in one of the main source files, not a separate text file as the the more customary. And yeah, I know I am running off half cocked on this, forgive my over zealousness. I should read a little more before I hit return :-> = Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Re: The nature of unstable (was: Danger Will Robinson! Danger!)
I am going to attempt to install Potato over a 28.8/56k modem. I have downloaded and 'burned' all 15 floppies needed for the basic system, and will install that first. Then I will set up PPP, and fire up dselect (apt method). I have already done this at work (but on a T1->lan->proxy setup). I expect that the process will take several 'over-night' runs. You don't need to download 650mb worth of stuff, I suspect that for a typical debian install < 100mb of 'stuff' actually is needed to be downloaded. There are a LOT of functionaly duplicate packages, little used packages, and source packages on the CD's that few people make use of. That's why many of the books can come with Debian on a single CD, they have prunned out the stuff that most people won't use leaving a still very functional representation of Debian. In my case my dialup connection is a local call (basicly free) and $19.95 a month (for up to something like 250hrs) for the isp. This is probably typical for the average US user, I realize that in Europe and elsewhere you are probably paying more. I am still waiting on GD Flashcom to get my IDSL connection working, I had hoped it would be up by the time Potato was frozen but I will try the modem method meantime. Others have told me that they installed Debian this way, so I will try it at least once. > >Steve Greenland wrote: > >> There is nothing stopping anyone from making >>snapshot releases of >> unstable. Mirror the archive. Burn a CD. Done. >>That's what a snapshot >> is. >As one of the many people who does not have cheap, >fast, reliable >internet access, I would like to say that for me to>>> >mirror 650 MB >of debian and burn a CD of it would cost around $130 >in charges >and 2 and a half days of straight downloading if I was >lucky. >Probably much longer. >So I'd like snapshots, but really I run stable run >until the >moment frozen becomes stable at which I can get a CD >on which >everything has a good chance of working, because if >anything >breaks I'm pretty much stuffed. - = Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
PPP on Potato
I tried to install Potato over my dialup line. I downloaded the base2.2.tgz image to an unused partition, and built the root, driver, and rescue disks from the disk files. I installed the base system and then tried to run pppconfig to be able to get to my isp via modem. I gave pppconfig the same options as I did under slink and tried to connect. The modem dials, but I fail to logon. I then tried using the same chatscripts (chapscrits) and ppp script files that I already had working under slink. This also failed. Has ppp changed between slink and potato? (ATTWorldnet uses chap for login). = Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
RE: PPP on Potato
I am using the original slink, with some packages updated. I have found the problem, and it may deserve a bug fix. The problem was actually of my doing. Worldnet uses passwords with 'funny' characters so you have to enter them 'quoted'. The pppconfig program in slink instructed you to do this, but the one in potato did not mention this fact. After some head scratching I remembered this and then I hand edited the ppp and chapscripts with 'quoted' password strings. Voila! Guess my memory access time is measured in tens of minutes :-| --- Brent Fulgham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > also failed. Has ppp changed between slink and > > potato? (ATTWorldnet uses chap for login). > > > Were you using the Slink-an-a-half, or the original > Slink? The original slink was based on the 2.0 > Kernel, > and I believe with Potato some of the settings for > chat changed. Unfortunately, I can't remember them > off > the top of my head. > > Perhaps someone else can remember? > > -Brent > = Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
mozilla under frozen
Think I may have a bug report for Mozilla. Twice I tried to use it to download a rather large file (iso cd rom image) and after about 50-100 megs or so my computer went into a swap fit with constat disk thrashing. I was running mozilla under gnome desktop with sawmill as the window manager. I can use commandline ftp just fine to download the same file with no swapping. I have 128mb of ram and a 255mb swap partition = Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
CD rom image for net install
Sometime ago someone here mentioned the existance of a bootable cd rom image that contained only the contents of the boot floppies to allow install over the network on a computer with NO os installed. Anyone know the URL where I can find this image for Potato? Thanks! Ken
QT-GPL
Just read on Linuxtoday.com that trolltech will license QT under the GPL. Guess the 'river was lowered' instead of 'raising the bridge' (old Jerry Lewis movie title) so KDE can now go in main for Woody, right? = Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
rm to mp3, or rm,mp3 to .wav audio files
I have some .rm (real audio) files that I'd like to convert to mp3's, and perhaps to .wav's as well as mp3's I'd like to convert to .wav's (so as to make plain old audio cd's to play in the car). Since the real audio files are closed source and there probably isn't an open source player available I was wondering how to do this. It occurred to me that ANY mp3 or real audio player would have to send the data to the audio driver so it should be possible to write a program that would act as a "Tee" to capture the data stream going to the driver and write it out to a .wav file. (To convert the .rm to .mp3's all you would need would be the intermediate .wav file.) It might be necessary to hack the audio driver to do this (use the open source drivers!). Does anyone have any ideas on this, or has it been done already? = Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/
woody and 2.4
Just saw this as I suppose many already have http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2001-01-05-001-04-NW-LF-KN Since Woody is probably still many months away is there a chance that it will include the 2.4 Kernel? = Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/
comp usa rebates?
>I'm trying to create tar files less than 100Mb to fit on zip disks (by the >way, my rebate arrived last week, only a year and a half & a class action suit >late). The above comment reminds me. Has anyone besides me bought some memory from comp-usa within the last 6 months and is STILL waiting for their rebates? I bought some 64mb worth or dram under several different rebate programs and have still not heard from the bastards. Is there grounds for a class action here? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: comp usa rebates?
I will save the names and addresses of all who reply for possible preparation of a legal response (maybe Janet Reno's office). "Russ Cook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 06/04/98 02:24:50 PM To: Kenneth Scharf/PD/CoulterUS, debian-user@lists.debian.org, debian-devel@lists.debian.org cc: Subject: Re: comp usa rebates? I too bought 64 MB of ram from Comp-USA, and also am still waiting for a rebate. Russ Russell Cook, Engineering Branch WSR-88D Operational Support Facility (405)366-6520 x4237 [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org; debian-devel@lists.debian.org > Subject: comp usa rebates? > Date: Thursday, June 04, 1998 12:53 PM > > > >I'm trying to create tar files less than 100Mb to fit on zip disks (by the > >way, my rebate arrived last week, only a year and a half & a class action > suit > >late). > > The above comment reminds me. > > Has anyone besides me bought some memory from comp-usa within the last 6 > months and is STILL waiting for their rebates? I bought some 64mb worth or > dram under several different rebate programs and have still not heard from > the bastards. Is there grounds for a class action here? > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
kernel 2.0.34
I downloaded the sources for the 2.0.34 kernel and did a quick look through the files. The fat-32 patches do not seem to be in here. If 2.0.34 is to be released as a debian package, then I hope all of the patches that are in the 2.0.33 package are added. Also has anyone packaged the Real Time linux kernel mods and utilities? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
kernel 2.0.34 & fat32
Thanks to everyone that pointed out that the fat32 patches ARE in 2.0.34. I assumed that fat32 remained a configure option, but it appears that it is now a standard feature (of fat). At least that's why I could not find any reference to fat32 in the configure scripts. It must be a mess for the kernel source maintainer to take the 'official' kernel sources from Linus and then apply what ever current patches that are deemed good for debian to create a custom kernel source package. I assume that the debian kernel source package for 2.0.34 will be placed in slink eventually. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
LyX
I have an old version of LyX on my bo system that I know I loaded off the official 1.3.1 CD. I wanted to get the source package for LyX off the hamm directory on the ftp site but I can't find it. If fact LyX doesn't seem to be listed in the packages file for hamm, slink, or even bo! What happened to LyX.? It isn't under editors, or txt.. I can always go to the LyX site and get the latest source and build it, but I can't believe there isn't a debian package for LyX. PS when you tell me where it is on your ftp site, and I find it, I'll know I went temporally insane. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Base Set: Suggested additions & removals.
new installations are done by windows users, not by unix system admins. at least 90% ... while ed, vi and emacs might be nice for old unix hackers, joe is the right choice for old dos hackers. i'm useing vim everyday, and i will rather use sed than ae or that mini vi. joe would be acceptable, too. andreas +++ Gosh I forgot about joe (havn't used it since I went from slackware to debian. Joe is a sortof clone of wordstar. Wow, I used wordstar for some time before getting wordperfect. (Now at work I'm stuck with MS word. YUCK! Always getting documents infected with viruses). If ae is a mini set of vi (cursor keys, insert, delete, write commands same) then I would not get lost. Anyone remember DEC's teco? Is there a free clone of that? Teco's macro language was so extensive that I heard of a mad decee who wrote a startrek game in teco. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
what's after slink
After you freeze slink, what will be then name of the new 'unstable' release (debian 2.2 or 3.0 that is). _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: what's after slink
If 'Woody' was offensive, do you think that Disney would have used the name in their movie? Wasn't toy story rated G? Come on, who is more sensitive to this than the mouse factory? -- On Sat, Oct 03, 1998 at 06:57:54AM -0700, Bob Nielsen wrote: > But didn't an even earlier discussion conclude that "woody" should be > bypassed as it would be offensive to some people. It's only offensive if you're in the frame of mind to think so. Aren't there children's stories with a character named Woody Woodpecker? _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: what's after slink
The hitchhikers guide!!! I love it!!! BTW that was Mavin (the paranoid android not the martin). Don't forget Slarty Barfast (I know I spelled that one wrong). - there is always: Debian Zaphod, Debian Arthur, Debian Prefect, Debian The-Paranoid-Android (too long?) how about just naming them for the year they are :) Debian '98 Debian '99... or pick some word and just use all its anagrams for releace names till we run out :) -Steve _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: what's after slink
Hey that's the best Idea yet. Rockhoppers are my favorite varity. BTW there are several dozen species (took the kids to the NY aquarium this summer.) -- How about naming it after species of penguin? That should keep us going for a little while... "I like my new debian emperor system" ;) Matthew _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: what's after slink
---Matthew Parry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >How about naming it after species of penguin? > >That should keep us going for a little while... > >"I like my new debian emperor system" ;) > > `Debian Fairy'? I don't know about that... (BTW Linus was bitten by a > Fairy Penguin) > > I like the Hitch Hikers idea: > Debian Zaphod > Debian Beebelbrox > Debian Slarty > Debian Bartfast > Debian Dent > Debian Vogon > Debian Trillian > Debian Marvin > Debian Paranoid-Android > > or even better - Debian "Don't Panic!" how about "Mostly Harmless"? ( "Sun Dive", "Disaster Area", "Heart of Gold", "So long and thank's for all the fish!", "You Again!") > > -- > > Matthew Parry > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://www.bowerbird.com.au/people/mettw/> > - > "There now, didn't I tell you to keep a good count? Well, > there's and end of the story. God knows there's no going on > with it now." - Sancho Panza. > > > > _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: what's after slink
Don't forget, when Arthur and Ford woke up on the Heart Of Gold after being shoved out of the vogon (Hey that's another good name!) ship Arthur begain to lose limbs and Ford was turning into a ... PENGUIN! ... (until the probabibility level dropped down to 1:1). > > > > > > ---Matthew Parry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >How about naming it after species of penguin? > > > >That should keep us going for a little while... > > > >"I like my new debian emperor system" ;) > > > > `Debian Fairy'? I don't know about that... (BTW Linus was bitten by a > > Fairy Penguin) > > > > I like the Hitch Hikers idea: > > Debian Zaphod > > Debian Beebelbrox > > Debian Slarty > > Debian Bartfast > > Debian Dent > > Debian Vogon > > Debian Trillian > > Debian Marvin > > Debian Paranoid-Android > > > > or even better - Debian "Don't Panic!" > > how about "Mostly Harmless"? hmm that might need to be aproved by the testers :) hmm it sounds more like a releace stage than a name tho... unatable->frozen->mostly harmless->releace :) > ( "Sun Dive", "Disaster Area", I supose making the default console text font have a black forground color on a black background is asking too much :) > "So long and thank's for all the fish!", "You Again!") these might not make such good names :) hmmm "Debian What is six times nine? " miught not work either :) hmmm "Debian: DO you know where your towel is?" -Steve _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Support for multiple CD's
I installed a second CD rom drive in my computer. Some people have CD 'changers' that can have 3 - 5 disks in the stack. (Some of these take up several drive letters in windows/dos...do they appear as separate lun's in scsi or separate partitions under linux) There should be support for prompting the user to swap disk. If there is more than one CD rom drive, then dpkg/dselect/apt/? should just go to the right disk (previously mounted). Or distribute on DVD rom and don't worry (till Debian grows to 4.7gb) -- I guess that we all have realized that slink doesn't fit on one CD anymore. Slink's total size for binary-i386 e.g. is 749 MB. Thus slink has to be splitted over two official cd roms. Currently slink doesn't contain an access method that can handle multiple cd roms if not all cd-roms are available at the same time. How are we going to handle this? I know that Heiko Schlittermann has developed a multi-cd package that provides a new access method for dselect but needs a patch for dpkg-scanpackages. Regards, Joey _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
X window logo
Whenever you start a program running under X11, the windows created usually have the little 'X' logo in the upper left hand corner. If you are running RedHat linux however, the upper left hand corner of the windows contains the RedHat logo (head with a red hat). Why can't it (under Debian) have the blue eyed penguin logo? _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: KDE gone, Linux next ?
If the day ever comes that some hardware maker decides to write his own driver for Linux (say a maker of a win-modem decided to write a linux driver and throw the disk in the box) but did NOT license under the GPL, choosing to keep it propritory would that be so bad? As long as such software came with the hardware, I can see no difference between that, and buying a copy of Wordperfect for Linux. We already have commerical X servers and sound drivers available which are NOT licensed under the GPL. You don't HAVE to buy these, unless you feel that they are what you need, and worth the price. _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: KDE gone, Linux next ? [binary only support != good support]
---Brian Ristuccia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Although I recognise how important > good hardware support is to Linux's success, I don't >consider binary-only > support good support at all. I'd hate to be stuck in >Company X's position. > I'm sure you'd feel the same way if it was your >business on the line. It may not be possible, but I guess Linux needs some sort of standard for kernel-driver interfaces that would allow an older driver to work with newer kernels. To a limited degree, this is true with MS windows..Drivers supplied with win95 can work with win 98, some '3.1 drivers even work with '95 (with restrictions). But I see your point, if Kernel changes make existing drivers broken a binary only driver is not a good idea. OTOH due to NDA's a binary only driver might be the only way some companies COULD distribute a driver for Linux for their hardware (thank you Mr Gates!). _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Slink not installable from CDs
If main is split into two cd's then no packages in main1 should depend on any in main2. (packages in main2 could depend on main1, then you would be told to go back and install them from main1?) _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
IA32 vs i386
The intel version of debian packages are in some directory path downstream from ../../i386/.. and the package names also carry i386. While this is technically correct, it can be missleading to some that the package only runs on an 80386 cpu. The current name for the cpu family from intel (and clones) that are derived from the 386 is IA32. (and intel's next family will be called IA64). Should the package and directory names be changed from i386 to IA32? _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Removing Packages in Slink for Debian 2.1
thread... == It's alpha software, but it's free and doesn't break your system. Let's ship it. If we are going to remove all packages which are buggy, we have to ship an empty CD ROM. Bug free software doesn't seem to exist per definition :) Who cares if Gnome is buggy? People who want to use it will use it, and find bugs and report them, they'll do some testing. We need to encourage testing. This is how the bazaar model works. As long as people don't expect it to work smoothly, there's no problem. == The debian CD's have had software marked alpha or beta in the past, (sometimes marked VERY alpha). So what's the problem with Gnome? (RedHat is shipping gnome). _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Intent to package: Xconfigurator
While at it, why not add monitor detection, like windows can do? Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 01:23:29 -0500 From: Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Intent to package: Xconfigurator On Tue, Jan 26, 1999 at 08:22:08PM -0600, Stephen Crowley wrote: > I know some of you may want to shoot me but Xconfigurator is the redhat > Xfree configuration utility, it's a hacked up xf86config that scans the > pci bus to auto-detect the vid card, has a monitor database, and has a nice > looking slang interface too. It will need a quite a few modifications to > work with debian so I'm wondering if I should just split the tree and make > my own version. Any comments? Uh, I was kind of planning on recruiting some folks to rip that thing open and Debianizing it for the potato release. I already have the latest Red Hat diffs in my X work directory on various machines, and was going to go through them for potato X. I'm just still working on kicking slink X out of the nest. Would you mind doing this work under the umbrella of the X Strike Force? I'd like to ship the X configurator in xserver-common once it's ready for prime time. == Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Call for mascot! :-)
*- On 28 Jan, Chris Waters wrote about "Call for mascot! :-)" > 2. Octopus (my own suggestion) I like this. It would be great for CD covers were each tentacle could have text overlayed for each architecture: i386, arm, hurd, sparc, alpha, m68k, powerpc. Well that is seven but there may be more later or some other text could go over it. -- Brian -- Eighth arm could be IA64 due out next year. == Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . _ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Package to give away/orphan: GNU acct
> >GNU acct is still broken for 2.2 kernels. I thought a >recompile would >fix it, >but it doesn't. The upstream author, with whom I >generally had very >good >(albeit sporadic) contact is MIA. AFAICT the other >dists don't >distribute >acct. >The package needs a kernel hacker type who can debug >and hopefully fix >it. >Unless someone steps forward to adopt it, I will ask >that acct be >removed >prior to the release of potato In looking at the gnucash site I got the impression that work on gnu acct was being phased out in favor of gnucash. Has anyone tried to complile gnucash, I think they have made the move from motif/lesstif to gtk. As soon as I get the time to install gnome on my slink system, trying out gnucash is on my todo list (if I can get a replacement for quicken and turbotax I can get my wife off windows and on to linux. I already have a replacement for wordperfect, wordperfect!) === Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . _ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com
Re: Package to give away/orphan: GNU acct
>acct is user login/use accounting, NOT money matters. oops. Yeah that was Xacct or something like that. Oh well never mind. === Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . _ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com
re: Time to rewrite dpkg
PLEASEtalk to the guys at Coral! They have been putting out some ideas in this area. PS: I'm not (yet) a developer, I'd like to learn more about the 'nuts and bolts' of the distribution and programming specifics for linux (I've been playing around with gtk++ and VDK for a while now) before I would even consider it. I currently write stuff for an NT platform under C++ using the Rational Rose OO modeling tool, so I agree with your idea of using C++ for this work. GOOD LUCK! === Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . _ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com
Re: LinuxExpo report, Day 1
I see from the photo of the debian-map that there is a push pin in south florida. Who is the debian developer in my neck of the woods? (someone's gonna have to verify a pgp signature for me one of these days). === Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . _ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com
